war zones altogether. but is that possible? how many other hot spots, war zones are passengers flying over every single minute? right now? an out front investigation tomorrow night. thanks so much for joining us. we'll see you back here tomorrow. our continuing coverage of malaysia 17 continues now with anderson. good evening. thanks very much for joining us. tonight there are parents mourning lost children eastern friends mourning friends. the world is mourning health care workers and teach eshz, a grandfather mourning the loss of a grandson, something no grandfather should ever experience. it is impossible to appreciate what he and so many others are going through since the downing of malaysian airlines flight 17. it's easier, thank goodness to see a little what made them love the ones they lost, in fact, it could be a tragedy's redemption that the love in one's heart becomes the love in many hearts. it spreads with every story from every sister and each

grandfather and son and friend. and we're honored to bring these stories to you tonight. we also in the next two hours will be putting each and every name from the flight manifest on screen in the space where the headlines normally run. their remains, the people themselves, have finally gone a long journey out the war zone where they came to rest. the world is now grappling with what to do next. there are late developments. one of many unsettling images. days after the flight was shot out the sky, rebels carrying the plane's black boxes raising fears about an already kprimsed crime seen. something that happened this evening, a deal as well on the 282 set of remains of the passengers of flight 17 for days their bodies were kept in

refrigerateded train cars. they're now scheduled to arrive in another city controlled by the central government in ukraine. from there, they'll be flown back to amsterdam, identified and released, repatriated. 16 people remain unaccounted for. a team of international investigators were given access to the crash site and praise the recovery work done so far. >> i think they did a hell of a job and hell of a job. >> armed rebels blocked and intimidated european observers sent to secure the crash site. amid accusations of an attempted cover-up. the cleanup and investigation remain far from over. passengers belongings are scattered through the fields. charred and twisted pieces of the plane's wreckage still remain. cranes began lifting hefty debris while teams of local miners continue to assist rescue workers. combing the nearly 13 square

mile scene for debris and remains, all under the watchful eye of pro russian rebels. outrage from the international community toward russia and the russian backed rebels continue to grow. images of bodies being mishandled and reports of looting surfaced. the u.n. security council unanimously approved a resolution condemning the downing of flight 17 today and expresseded concern over who is responsible for it. >> we're not only outraged at the attack itself, we're horrified and enraged by what has happened since. by the clear intention of some to obstruct an investigation into how the passenger and crew died. >> the u.s. released new evidence that proves russia's guilt. they provided training to rebels and observe a large convoy of heavy arm including an anti-aircraft missile launcher here leaving ukraine last week

crossing from russia into ukraine a few week ago. with that, a stern message from president obama. >> given its direct influence over the separatists, russia and president putin in particular has direct responsibility to compel them to cooperate with the investigation. that is the least they can do. >> meanwhile, less than 40 miles away, reminder that eastern ukraine is an active war zone. ukrainian government battled pro russian separatists around the regional capital. re-emphasizing just how dangerous this recovery mission will be. some of the new day's chris cuomo has seen firsthand. he joins us tonight. thank you very much for being with us. the latest there on the ground tonight, particularly this handover of the black boxes? >> absolutely, anderson. that is the big development. how real it is a separate issue for discussion. but i was a huge media pageant when this local leader, this self appointed prime minister

first walked in with all these men with ak-47s into a local hotel lobby and met with the malaysians and signed this protocol for delivery and had another big media opportunity. and delivered the black boxes over the malaysian authorities. certainly that was the event of the night. i think what actually mattered more is what you laid out so beautifully in your introduction to your package. they have finally started to give dignity to the victims. the people who were lost on mh 17, who has nothing to do with the politics, nothing to do with the conflict here in ukraine. finally, their families will get some closure, at least they're no longer in that horribly burned field. >> and in terms of this handover, you're raising doubts about the importance of it. what makes you suspicious on that front? >> suspicious, it's just what the practicalities are, anderson. the black boxes, we all know from mh-370 too well what black boxes are, the idea you need an

expert to identify them is an assumption. anybody can do it. they don't need experts. what did he want? i believe what they got out of this was an opportunity. no matter what data you get out of the flight recorders, it's not going to tell us who did this. and that is what the integrity of the investigation needs. what the local official got out of this, the self-appointed prime minister is legitimacy. he got the media there. he got something signed saying this is noed amission of wrongdoing. i would suggest having been on the ground that anyone who felt they had only good intentions would have never handled this crash scene the way this man and these militiamen have done. they would have been open from the beginning. they would have given dignity to the bodies from the beginning instead of leaving them out in the sun. that's how you would have showed you want to do the right thing. not holding the black boxes hostage until you got this big media event. >> and making difficult, not even for investigators, but osce

observers in those early days as you were reporting to make it difficult for them to even observe the crime scenes. do we know where the train carrying the victims now currently is? >> we believe it is leaving here locally. that is complicated. we were hearing shelling just now which is not unusual here. but the train station was damaged today. it's supposed to leave, we believe the malaysians were going on the ride with it. not the dutch, interestingly. the dutch obviously would have a greater interest in going with the bodies to identify them. we were told they did not go. it is supposed to go to another city called harkiv. there they'll be setting for them to do dna analysis and ultimately the bodies will be moved and repatriated from there. we believe it started. the signs there are good. that's a step in the right direction. >> chris cuomo, thank you very much. stay safe. more now on the question of how sophisticated ground to air missiles came to be in the war

zone and how the u.s. intelligence community came to know about it. chief national security correspondent jim schutto joins us now. so what do we know at this hour tonight about the investigation, particularly the question of whether russian personnel themselves were actually there at the launch site when the plane was brought down? >> well this is what investigators are focusing on now. were russian agents present there or pulling the triger? that is still an open question. what u.s. officials are confident of now, however, is, one, this was a russian made system that was used to bring down the plane. it was fired by pro russian rebels. it was supplied by russia to these rebels and it's the belief of u.s. officials that russia trained the rebels to use it. so really the only question now from the u.s. perspective is how much russian responsibility is there for this as opposeded to whether there is russian responsibility. >> and to what extent are the russians still denying any involvement?

it seems to complete extent. >> pretty much across the board. there was a really interesting moment today at the united nations security council and that is when the russian ambassador to the u.n. in a conversation with reporters said well, listen if, the pro russian rebels shot this down, it was an accident. it was not a terrorist event. now to be clear in the same conversation he still went on to accuse the ukrainians of possibly being responsible for this. but it did seem at that moment, anderson, that was the russian official, the russian amounbassr of the u.n. floating a trial balloon there. even if it is established that the pro russian rebels did this, maybe it was a mistake. it was not intentional, therefore, it is not a terrorist act. had a is the first opening in watching russian officials statements very closely since this happened that we've seen, that i've heard certainly from the russian side so far. >> all right. jim, appreciate that. we're going to bring in our panel right now. aviation expert richard quest, david susy and david mud.

richard, let's start with you. talking about what chris cuomo is talking about with this black box. true, will not tell us who fired the missile. it will though, if it is work correctly, give us a sense of how long the plane was up in the air after this missile struck? >> depending on the power supply and how long i was maintained. >> you're saying the power supply of the aircraft might have been knock out? >> immediately. therefore, it would have stopped. what it has the potential to give us is the much more rounded picture of those last seconds. >> and in some cases perhaps even minutes, depending on how long -- >> were there any calls from the ground to try to identify the aircraft? what noises were heard where the m missile struck. the sequence of events and god forbid what actually happened after the missile struck?

what were the pilots doing? does it -- >> were the pilots still alive? >> absolutely. does it add a vast amount to the understanding of who did it? of course it doesn't. but it creates a much more rounded picture of those final moments. and that is vital. it's vital to understand every nuance not only of what happened on the ground but what happened in the air. >> so, david, how important then is the physical wreckage? we know the plane, i mean by all accounts was shot out the sky. how -- what more can be learned? >> what we heard today is that that wreckage is tampereded way in a way i wouldn't fathom. they're cutting it apart and taking pieces of the aircraft with saws and diesel saws, correct? and the only reason i could think they possibly would do this, to hide any evidence, the shrapnel to go into that mis. >> there is no way can you scrub a crime scene of this size across --

>> i wouldn't think so the only thing left of this site that would give this evidence is in the tail section and some of the debris field areas there. the main part of the aircraft has been completely destroyed and temperature far beyond what the shrapnel would have been able to withstand. >> how concerned are you about the physical evidence? >> i think the physical evidence is significant. when i worked with investigators, they want to know everything about everything. not only the physical evidence, you can find.field, but i've been wopdering if they have a facility where they can reconstruct the aircraft to see what it looks like in the entirety? can they secure a facility like that? >> that seems highly unlikely. i mean that was done with twa 800. but given the reality of this situation on the ground, phil, as you would attest, that would seem very unlikely. >> no, i agree with that. but what i'm saying is investigators might look for that. but from an intelligence analyst perspective, the noose that is

tightening around putin is persuasive. we have imagery that shows training for the rebels. we have imagery that shows the truck. we have intercepts of people talking about this. let me make a guess, the americans probably have the same stuff. we have social media references to this. we may have a black box. even if it doesn't show what happened with the incident. might show the airplane was operating normally up to an incident. regardless of what you find in that field, that's a pretty persuasive case compared to where we were last thursday or friday. >> and we've been reading the accusations that another jet was nearby. how do you prove that conclusively that it was just a missile, maybe there was a bomb onboard as well? there are all these things that have to be ruled out because those are going to be used in defense of whoever is coming -- is accused of this crime. >> i remember at one point, if you don't take away the big pieces of wreckage, what you're left having to do is a minute,

microscopic search of the ground. now in any search, that takes dozens of people, shoulder to shoulder, looking for any little fiber. >> there is no way this crime scene is going to be investigated like a regular crime scene. >> you had better hope you get whatever you can from the big pieces with the big pieces, the intelligence from the americans, from the black boxes, you build a picture. >> phil, is there enough, though -- obviously in an ideal world, beyond the evidence from the crash scene, you would have human intelligence. you have the opportunity to have people on the ground going around talking to villagers, talking it to other security personnel about what they saw, what they heard, what they actually witnessed. that, again, given the reagenli of the situation seems unlikely. so from a signal intelligence basis, can one glean enough information to figure out who was exactly pulled the trigger?

>> i'm not sure we're there yet. my guess about what is going on now is people are looking through reams of information. that might be analysts hooking, the people that do satellites, looking at weeks of information other hundreds of kilometers of territory. one things that going to get fascinating here is something that the intelligence community has really improved on in the past 13 years. and that's identity intelligence. after we determine whether the entities, for example, the russians are responsible, you're going to want to know who was in that unit, how do we identify them by name? we're not bringing the russians to the icc international criminal corps, we're bringing somebody in the ukrainian opposition. finally, once you identify them by name, sort of like we've identified and learned to identify al qaeda membersly name, using lot of technical and human sources, how can we find,

fix, and finish the target? how can we figure out where they are well enough to do a capture operation? that's one of the pieces of intelligence that will come into play in coming months. it's been perfected in the war on terror. >> which does go back to the black boxes. you mentioned if there was communication between whoever was manning the weapon that brought this down and the plane asking for some sort of identification, that would actually be recorded on the black box. that could be use in some sort of identification proceedings later on. we'll have to take a quick break. we'll have more from our panelists. next, russia and the rebels. are these pictures a sign to russians and the world of putin has gone too far? are they the first snapshots of a new kind of cold war? sufficient questions we'll talking when we continue. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? yeah, we help with fraud protection. we monitor every purchase every day

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breaking news tonight, russian backed rebels turned the black boxes over to malaysian authorities. is not the way these things usually happen or the way crashes are handled. we got used to pictures of investigators at crash sites carefully, gently respectfully making their way through pieces of wreckage and human remains. we're not accustomed to see armed searching for personal effects. seeing it is bad enough. knowing that the already hard tond had a will country next door russia is backing them, that makes it worse.

complicating all of it. the fact that russia remains a nuclear and conventional military power and where energy for europe is concerned a superpower. with all of that, president obama tried to turn up the heat. >> the burden now is on russia to insist that the separatist stop tampering with the evidence, grant investigators who are already on the ground immediate, full, and unimpeded access to the crash site. the separatist and russian sponsors are responsible for the safety of the investigators doing their work. and along with our allies and partners, we will be working this issue at the united nations today. >> as we mentioned at the top, security council did act. russia went along. it's unlikely to change american mistrust. according to our new survey, public opinion is running 78 to 19 unfavorable. that is a big change from 55 to 41 back in february. additionally, combined 85 americans say russia is either

directly or indirectly responsible for the shoot down. we'll see how the media is misreporting the story and a conspiracy theories that are truly astounding. joining us now is are a fareed zakaria. let me start with you. russia risks further isolating itself. that may be true in terms of the united states. but in terms of europe, is that really the case? europe has been very slow over the last several months to take sanctions seriously against russia? >> it's been very slow. but there are signs of things changing. for the first time you're beginning to hear voices in europe say do we really want to be a satellite of russia? do we really want to be so dependent on russia that we cannot exercise our voice in situations like that? remember, for the dutch, this is like 9/11. you think about almost # hund20

people dying in that small country. a lot of people are looking at france and in germany, they have been trying to voice some kind of assertiveness but they are very dependent in energy terms. the big shift -- shift taking place in britain. in britain, david cameron said that the city of london which is gets a lot of russian money is in some ways -- >> billionaires running around. >> some called it a casino for the russian billionaires. >> the city of london might have to live without russian money if we want to get serious about this. so there are some signs things are beginning to change. >> it is also interesting because in the last day we heard a lot of commentators talking about the international criminal court. this is going to end up in the international criminal court. there are going to be cases brought. you make the point that is not likely going to happen. >> i think we tend to often look at these kind of events horrific as they are through the lens of law and legalism and crime and things like that.

there is no chance this is going down that root. ukraine has not signed and ratified the international criminal court. by the way, the united states has not signed and ratified the international criminal court. so people are using it almost in a propaganda way when they want to talk about we're going to do something really bad. this will get resolved in the realm of international politics. the judges and the hague are not important people. it's chancellor merkel and, of course, president obama. >> carl, has putin, has the united states figured out an infective way of dealing with have lat l vladimir putt snin. >> no one in the world has figured out a way to deal with him. he is willing to do things that other leaders are not. he is cruel. look what he did in chechnya. he obliterated a whole country. look what he's done in georgia. he is willing to change the borders. the whole host world war ii

orders. change the borders of europe by force. this is a stalinist for our time. nobody figured out how to deal with him. the one silver lining is finally the fear that he deserves is starting to build. he was just in brazil. he did a big deal in brazil. gave the billions of dollars. the brazilians are going to start to wonder what is this man about? what is he willing to do? also, fareed is talking about political leaders. we also have a problem with business leaders including the united states who have not called putin to account. and are unwilling to see their own profits cut into. we need to do a lot of work at home with our people who are willing to do business with putin. it's a huge problem. and we ought to start there. >> it's also interesting, carl. i know you've been talking to people about president obama, his reaction to this. he came under a lot of criticism for his initial statements that he made about this. they were sort of not exactly

griefer in chief. they weren't bill clintonesque in terms of his expressing emotion or even expressing an initial outrage about this. he continued on fund-raising -- a fund-raising trip. >> look, our president has got a problem in terms of how he is perceived by the people of this country right now. there are all kinds of reasons. he is also pretty good at looking at the information and figuring out how we should look at responding here. and, you know, there's not much he's doing here, i think, that a bush-cheney administration wouldn't have done. i don't see any great difference in terms of a muscular response. i think what he's been saying is pretty good. he's got a good handle on what's going on. the problem is you have to mobilize the world. and the one thing that is happening in that mobilization is putin's whole methodology is

act now no matter how horrible what he does is and explain later. >> he is also under huge economic pressures at home. >> he's facing kpek pressures at home because the russian economy is essentially stalled. it's become purely unruly economy. because the uncertainty, business investment stopped. the sanctions, let's be fair to the obama administration, the sanctions produced so much uncertainty. they made every businessman looking at deals if russia think, wait a minute. maybe let's put these on hold. as a result, you know, investment is down, stock market is down. ruble is down. the thing that putin has going for him and i know you're going to talk about this next is the fact that in russia, he remains a very powerful, strong figure. this is part of a whole understanding. >> his operation in what he did

in cry mira booe crimea boosted popularity. >> yes. very pro nationalists, one of russia being besieged. i think we have often seen russia as a pro western country. a country almost about to become western. if we just nudged it along. what putin taps into is a different russia that has always seen itself in opposition. >> we're going to talk to david remnick from the new yorker who spent a lot of time there reporting on putin later on the program. thank you both. coming up next, honoring the 298 lives cut short on flight 17. avo: waves don't care what age you are.

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we said it before on this program, 298 lives should not be just a statistic. the 298 individuals that perished were that, individuals. sons and daughters, parents and grandparents, husbands and wives and siblings, each loss left a trail of heartbreak. to honor each of them, we're showing you their names at the bottom of the screen throughout the program. as we learn about each victim, we're going to share their stories as much as we can.

they deserve no less. for daisy uller this trip was supposed to be an escape. her mother died a few months earlier so she and her boyfriend brice fred rikz decided it was time to take a trip. they were saiding to bali. brice's mother said she hoped this holiday would help them both find their happiness again. >> i can do nothing but wait. >> now this grieving mother waits for their bodies. she wants to bury them together, she says, because of their love for each other. bobby was a flight attendant would swapped flights at the last moment boarding in amsterdam so he could get home to malaysia early. his wife also a flight attendant switched flights a few months earlier and escaped going down with the other flight mh 370. bobby leaves behind his wife and their 10-year-old son. bobby was 41 years old. car line kiteser from amsterdam was pursuing a doctorate in amsterdam.

she was a champion rower. that was her pangs. she was always smiling and was known for her sense of humor. caroline was traveling with her boyfriend, lawrence. her father posted the news for death on facebook and saying he grieved for this splendid future they had together. she was just 25 years old. she was one of 193 dutch nationals who died on flight 17. a short time ago i spoke to two her closest friends and former roommates. here's the exclusive interview. >> first of all, let me start by saying i'm so sorry for the loss of your friend, for both of you. catherine, you met carline back at interind university in 2010. what was she like? >> yes. carline was an unbelievable rower, first and foremost. an unbelievable friend. but -- >> you rowed together? >> yes, we were both recruited in 2010, myself from texas and carline from amsterdam.

we communicated before arriving in bloomington because we wanted to room together and that kind of started a relationship prior to our rowing days. and that blossomed into a friendship. and one that i cherish so deeply. she was bold. she set everything like she wanteded to say. she was direct. and she was beautiful inside and out. and she was brilliant. i think everyone knows she was a brilliant chemistry student. >> how did you meet her? what was your relationship? >> i was part of the chemistry program at iu and i was in the same research lab as her. i joined the summer in 2010, she joined in the fall. and we just work side by side two desks next to each other and we just went through the grueling process of grad school together for four years before living together for this past

spring. >> what was she like? what stands out to you? i understand you used to hang out at starbucks and eat out a lot. >> yeah. it honestly was. there were a lot of stressful days in lab when she would just come from class or maybe a full morning of rowing and she would just be really tired and you could tell each of us would just get tired from any sort of difficult research project we were working on and sometimes we would just make the little signs that said coffee on it and hold it up to each other over the monitors. yes, we'll go get coffee. we would just walk down to starbucks on indiana avenue and just talk about our research problems or just personal problems. >> does it seem real at this point? >> no. >> no. >> i keep thinking i'm going to go back into lab in the fall

semester and she's going to sit next to me every day. >> it's hard to imagine being there without her? >> i expected her to be at my final defense and i would be at hers. and we would just support each other through the rest of our phd program. >> she was with her boyfriend. and they really were planning a life together, i understand. >> yes. absolutely. i met lawrence twice in bloomington. but they had a love that few find in this lifetime. and when i skyped with her a week before this tragedy, lawrence popped in the skype video screen and said catherine, when you are coming to visit us? and i said soon. and he said you're welcome here any time.

there is something about their relationship that far surpasses a lot of people, inspires a lot of people to go home and just want to love their significant other or their friends even more. >> you have been following the, i mean, the news, the crash site, the fight over it, things like that? or is that just too much to even -- >> i'm not even making space for it in my mind. whenever i have a quiet moment to myself, i just sit there and stair up in space and mute memories of carline over and over and over again. and people always ask me, what do you think of this? what do you think of that? and i just -- i don't have space in my mind for that. i'm just focusing on remembering every specific detail of her that i can. >> have you written stuff down? i think a lot of times that helps to preserve the memory for

you. >> when i got confirmation through carline's parents when they heard from malaysia airlines, i just wrote out an e-mail to no one in particular, just writing down all the things that i missed and all the memories that i had and how she was like a younger sister that i never had and i just misseded her and how much she inspired me and strengthened me. >> thank you so much for talking to us about carline. i really appreciate it. i wish i met her. >> special person. >> yeah. thank you. >> thank you. >> a special person. coming up, the outrageous theories about flight 17 that is coming from russian media. they're being told to the russian people. why it could just be the beginning. it's a complete checkup of the services your vehicle needs. so prepare your car for any road trip

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welcome back. the president of ukraine says the russian supported terrorist attack, those were his words, on flight 17 means everyone in the world has to decide if they support the victims or terrorism. in an interview, we asked the

president what he's looking for from the international community after president obama said that russia has to use its influence to make sure the investigation can proceed. now here's what he said. >> i don't see any difference from the tragedy of 9/11 from the tragedy of lockerbie and from the tragedy of this plane. so this should demonstrate the same way of reaction. this is a danger for the whole world. this is a danger of a global security. this is not just a question -- we're talking about some side of ukraine. >> the russian media is having none of that. now if they're reporting the story at all, focus is on everything but russian

involvement complete with conspiracy theories. randi kaye takes a look. >> reporter: the propaganda war is intensifying with a pro russian rebel commander making this bizarre suggestion, that mh-17 was loaded with people who were already dead. the rebel leader reportedly telling a pro rebel website that he's learned a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh adding, their blood had been drained. he also claimed that a large number of medications were discovered in the wreckage. >> the mentality of the russians is to think of conspiracy theories. when they hear something outrageous, they may believe it. >> reporter: still, the evidence is clear. a missile believed to be fired by pro russian rebels brought down mh-17. yet someone with a russian government ip address appears to be trying to rewrite history quite literally.

look at this russian language on mh-17. a computer program which monitored the page reportedly found that originally it had said the plane was shot down by terrorists of the self proclaimed people's republic. the pro russian rebels. but wait. less than an hour later, that entry was clafrped changed by se government to this, the plane was shot down by ukrainian soldiers. >> the kremlin control the information, networks in russia decide how they are going to explain something, what the general narrative will be. and that is given actually to radio, tv, newspapers to a certain extent. and they essentially tell this is what you should say. >> reporter: and there's more. russia is now hinting that ukrainian warplanes possibly flying too close to mh-17 caused the airline to crash. defense officials in moscow say they have records indicating

that a ukrainian su-25 warplane was just three to five kilometers or about 2 1/2 miles away from that malaysian airliner. and remember this video appearing to show the missile system being transported from ukraine to russia? now russian officials say that video was manipulated, that the video was actually taken in a ukrainian city, his way of putting the missiles in ukrainian control territory. trps the russi tr transportation the russians did not deliver the equipment. >> yet the truth doesn't slow the propaganda machine which seems to be trying to change the narrative and bury the story at the same time. in these russian newspapers, the morning after the crash, mh-17 didn't even make front page news.

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israeli soldiers have died. the united states is pushing for a cease-fire. john kerry arrived in cairo today for talks with key officials and announced $47 million in humanitarian aid to gaza. this is the latest poll showing 57% of those polled say israel's action in gaza is justified. 34% say unjustified. wolf blitzer is in jerusalem. ben weideman is in gaza. >> there are reports that cite palestinian source that's a cease-fire is being drafted between israel and hamas tomorrow in cairo. we know that secretary of state john kerry arrived there today. any reason to be optimistic about that at this point? >> well, one should always be optimistic about these things, anderson. probably there is palestinian sources are coming out of ramallah, not gaza where hamas has been fairly adamant so far. they're not ready to sign on to

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good evening, thank you for watching our extended "360" coverage here. we're just a short time ago russian-backed rebels handed over malaysian black box. nothing about this though has been rue seen. aviation tragedies rarely spark action at the u.n. security council as this one did today. the members, even russia, adopting resolution demanding full access to the crash site. we