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solve by dialogue. the last thing he would have wanted was his death or even the tragic incident that caused his death to contribute to even a more difficult situation there in the conflict. >> we'll tell you more about the victims in the coming days. stay with cnn for continuing live coverage of the shootdown of flight 17. cnn tonight starts now. good evening. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. >> great to be with you. >> we are all over two big breaking news stories. first, major developments in the investigation of flight 17. a train carrying the bodies of some of the victims has left on dutch forensic scientists and a handful of aviation experts finally have access to that crash site and pro-russian rebels have handed over the black boxes. meantime there is a resolution condemning the downing of the plane and demanding full access
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to the site. it was approved unanimously which approves russia but it doesn't address who is to blame and the crash. and our other big story accident president obama pushes for an immediate cease fire in gaza as the death toll rises on both sides. some 550 palestinians have been killed. the u.n. estimates 70% of those are civilians. 25 israeli soldiers have died including three believed to have been killed by friendly fire. two israeli civilians have been killed. and we have a pulse on public opinion to share with you. the latest cnn poll show not surprisingly that we support israel but not russia. 57% of americans say israel's actions against hamas are justified while in the wake of the flight 17 tragedy, just 19% of americans have a favorable view of russia. so let's begin only the in ukraine. nick patton walsh is in ukraine for us. he is awaiting the arrival of the train with victims' remains
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on it. tell us what the scene is there. >> reporter: we've been down to the railway station where we've been thld convoy of trains will eventually arrive. we understand in the last few hours, about 3:10 local time, pulled out of donetsk bound out for the direction and heading toward where we are. a different route than originally planned. programs some concerns on the safety of traveling more directly. we don't know precisely when it will arrive. i think a good seven or eight hours drive along those railway tracks. when it finally arrives here at the railway station, it will be met by a number of dutch experts. we've seen coming into the airport here. a couple of soldiers accompanying the c-130 air flights coming in, say in fact they've been bringing in coffins and they're being used to try to move these bodies back.
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potentially back to the netherlands. a growing sense here of people gathering here to try to assist. >> are there family members there awaiting the arrival of the train? >> very few that we've seen so far. mostly it is australian, dutch officials growing in number to provide as much aid as possible. a lot of logistics confusing for many people. it isn't clear when they will arrive. it isn't clear how they'll manage to get the bodies from the train to the air field. a large task ahead here. certainly making it, becoming more difficult day by guy the further we get from the first hours after that trash. >> nick, also, earlier today, the ukrainian rebel leader ceremoniously handed over the black boxes to malaysian
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authorities. now what happens? >> the malaysian there's now have to take them out of separatist-held areas. what they will do with it, i understand they don't have the technology on their side to go through the black box and determine what secrets it holds. that may be perhaps given to another one of the interested parties in this governments who have citizens on board. >> thanks. so for the update and keep us posted as to when that train arrives. thank you. >> let's talk now more about those black boxes. the handover of the whack boxes, a big development. they won't tell us who shot down flight 17. joining us now, richard quest. a significant development here. they're in the possession of malaysian authorities. we were talking about the flight
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370. >> whether it is a good idea or not is irrelevant. in the sense, it is malaysian property. so malaysia is the correct authority to which you hand back the boxes. whether it is -- malaysia is perfectly capable and competent to handle these boxes. because we know already, you remember from 370, they said that their investigative authority does not have the competency to open them up and extract the data. so they will give it to another country. >> so it shouldn't go to a third party. like the ntsb and that sort of thing. >> no, no. that's not the way -- you're talking about a chain of custody. so you handled it to the person who is entitled to have the boxes. and there after that person decides who should open them. my guess, it would be the netherlands, the british, the australians, maybe the ntsb.
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>> here's something interesting that happened when the self-pointed rebel leader handed it over. he said, it was sort of a press conference. he said this is an information war. we don't have the technical ability to destroy this plane. we believe these are the black boxes and these boxes will reveal the truth. does that suggest that they have some inclination that they will be vindicated by something on there? >> i suspect they do. i also suspect they don't have a terribly detailed understanding of what that box might show. it won't show what happened on the ground. it will show what happened to the aircraft with any air to air transmission. what the pilots said to each other and depending on how it was affected those last seconds. could the separatists have removed or changed any of the information on the black boxes? speaking as a layman. >> yes, the answer is no. first they opened it up, we would know about it.
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the seals would be broken. if you show the picture of the black boxes, it says do not open. you would know if it had been opened cox they tamper electronically? highly unlikely. these boxes are designed to withstand tremendous forces. do they have the technical expertise? no. when we all sat here friday night, you were almost hopeless that the bodies would actually ever be extracted from the field where they lay, as you know, they weren't letting any sort of international monitors in. we didn't know how it was ever going to show progress. tonight as we sit here, the bodies are on a train bound for their loved ones. something happened over the weekend. >> what happened was the ukrainians and the rebels came to some sort of understanding. the people who actually removed those bodies and put them on the train, partly the security in new york but also the emergency service workers of ukraine.
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based in the region, paid by kiev. they are the ones that did, if you like, the hard work, the grisly work of putting them -- they haven't got all the bodies yet. what i'm looking to see is when that truck gets to kharkiv, we see the coffins which will be transported by the dutch and we can start to see a proper process of dignity for those who lost their lives. >> where will we get this significant information? we were trying to figure out, will it be the malaysians? tony abbott? >> all of them. in terms of black boxes, it will be via malaysia. whoever opens the box and gets the data will hand it back to the malaysians. we've seen a very, very different malaysia this time. it took them weeks to do the flight manifest and the cargo with 370. it took them 36 hours with this one. the prime minister is in charge. and is dealing with this. in terms of the other information, the netherlands.
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remember on friday i said i thought it would be the netherlands that would be leading the investigation? that's the waits playing out. the netherlands is going to be the country leading the way. >> because they lost the most people. >> because they lost the most people. they have the biggest interest. >> the rebel leader agreed to give independent international investigators access to the crash site. is there more to be learned at the crash site? >> they haven't even started. you have all those big pieces of wreckage that have to be looked at in great detail to see what sort of distress marks there are. which way the implosion holds go. in or out. and also crucially, they will want to go over the bit by bit by bit. safe corridors have to be arranged for them so they can get there, do their work. very worrying today, pictures of chain saws being used on some of that wreckage. >> what does that mean? >> it means somebody is trying to, if not exactly destroy the
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evidence, at least mangle the metal such that you wouldn't be able to see what was happening. that's one possible explanation for this. nobody should be taking chain saws to anything except qualified aircraft investigators. >> can you tell me how long it will take them to go over this entire crash site? >> weeks. >> weeks. thank you. thank you, richard quest. i want to turn to our other big story, a showdown between israel and hamas and gaza. martin savidge is live in jerusalem. hello. more deaths being reported on both sides tonight in what is turning out to be the most violence in that region, than that region has seen in nearly five years. what's the latest? >> reporter: second day of a lot of blood shed being spilled. good evening to you. i was just going through my notes trying to summarize. the israeli military is saying it lost seven of its soldiers.
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that brings the death toll for israeli soldiers to 25. for palestinian civilians, the toll is much greater. the numbers there set to be at 573 people killed in gaza as a result of this ongoing operation. and most of those are said to be civilians. the israeli military is surviving the combat inside gaza as the very difficult and very brutal and that very up-close kind of urban warfare. it appears they're meeting stiff resistance from hamas militants who are effectively using tunnels and anti-tank women's. it has been reported that israel shelled a hospital in the central part of gaza. israel is accusing hamas saying that it was using that hospital to try to protect rockets. rockets continue to be a problem for israel. there were more of them that have been launched today. not as many as last week but there were several barrages. one of those hit a kindergarten. fortunately there was nobody in that school at the time. it is this very difficult, very
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hard and unfortunately because of the densely populated gaza strip, a very costly fight that is taking place. don? >> as you know, over the weekend, there was some back and forth about the alleged capture of an israeli soldier. i spoke to the ambassador, ron durmer. here's what he had to say. take a listen. hamas claimed they have kidnapped an israeli soldier but israel says that is not true. can you say different intyly that no touchdown has been taken? >> reporter: to the best information i have at this point no soldier has been taken. >> is hamas still maintaining they have a soldier, martin? >> reporter: they are. there are a number of reasons why they would. if they in fact do have an israeli soldier, could it change things dramatically, militarily on the ground is the way israel operates. they so highly would want to get that soldier back on. top of that, it is a great pr coup could you say. it was cheers that came up in the gaza strip. because as you remember previously when there have been
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other israeli soldiers held, they have been exchanged for high numbers of palestinian prisoners. but israel does not know yet. it is still trying to confirm whether or not one of their soldiers has been taken. >> i want to ask you about this. the sun is about to rise over gaza and secretary of state kerry and you and secretary ban-ki moon arrived today. does a cease fire, never mine a peaceful resolution, even look possible? >> reporter: it is certainly something everybody would say they want. then they would say, under what terms? israel says it has wanted a cease fire and has worked for a cease fire but each time it is agreed, it has been broken by hamas. hamas is saying, look, we don't trust the terms. so right now, unlikely, it seems. >> all right. martin savidge in jerusalem. i want to remind our viewers that the entire interview will air at 11:00 p.m. the tragedy of flight 17 for
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the friends is and families of the 298 people on board. the anguish is very raw and personal. we'll walk the the friends of an indiana university student who was killed. plus, putin under pressure. president obama says the burden is on russia to get the rebels in line. will the russian president change his strategy? to pitch in for an industrial-sized smoker. before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time. and 2% back at the grocery store. even before he got 3% back on gas. all with no hoops to jump through. norm used his bankamericard cash rewards credit card to enter the bbq masters invitational. where he smoked 40 pounds of ribs and the competition. that's the satisfaction of rewarding connections. apply online or at a bank of america near you.
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become a worldwide obsession. for the friends and families of the 298 people who died, the story is intensely personal. one of those passengers was 25-year-old carline who studied chemistry at indiana university. joining me now work the young women who knew her well. thank you for coming in. it's good to meet. i spoke with you on friday. just before we came out of the break you guys held hands as we were going into this interview. you're using each other for strength? >> absolutely. we were all roommates together the year that carline and i. so we were very close. >> how are you doing? >> i'm coping as best i can. she was a good friend of mine since 2010. our relationship goes back to before she came to the united states, we were on the same
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rowing team. and to channel our relationships. now it is pretty hard. having rachel here and doing this for her, for her family and friends. >> it is hard to get the words out. >> yes. >> how did you meet? >> you said she introduced you to your boyfriend. >> yes. she absolutely did. and she introduced me to her. >> it is a circle. a lovely circle. it has been said that she was a bright star. how would you describe her? >> sh lived to love and she loved to live. she taught me so much about
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being a friend. being compassionate. being present. and showing her love to her family and friends. every day she was skyping back home with her friends and family in amsterdam. i will cherish my memories of her so much. that how she is a consolation. >> where were you when you found out? were you guys together? >> well, actually, i found out first. i was watching the news at work. and i saw that the malaysian airlines flight had gone down. and then shortly there after the announcement that plane was out of amsterdam and i went straight to facebook because i knew
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karlijn was going to be traveling. it wasn't good news. that more than at the airport, and then karlijn's sister had posted about them, that they were in line for the 12:00 malaysian airlines flight. i have called to find out if she knew if she was traveling and unfortunately i think i may have been the one to break the news to her too. >> yes, absolutely. i had actually received a cnn notification on my phone and i thought it was from the malaysian airlines flight five months ago and rachel called me and said have you seen the news? and i said i got a notification but after talking to her, figuring out, well, there's bound to be hundreds of flights. and we kind of held on to our
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seats. i went for a run because i knew that's what karlijn would have wanted me to do. those were excruciating hours. the news came and we cried and the fact that we're here now and sharing her story and being together, it is pretty heart-warming. >> do you feel, i've had several people close to me die including my father and my stepfather, my grandmother and others. do you feel her presence? at moments, even in the beginning i could feel -- >> absolutely. i keep reliving memories that we shared together. we're in our mid 20s. we haven't really experienced grief. and those are themes that i haven't thought about and i keep asking myself quiz. what can i do to feel her? to feel her presence? that's reliving the stories that we shared, the wine and the cheese nights and watching "how
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i met your mother" as roommates. reliving the happy moments. that's what made karlijn feel alive and that's what makes her present. that's what i feel right now. >> good show to watch as a group. i like that show. she was a champion rower, correct? tell us about her as an athlete. >> i can't speak to that one. katherine was the one who rode with her. >> was she good? >> she was phenomenal. that's what brought us together in the first place. this beautiful magical friendship. rowing started it all. she was a national junior rower from amsterdam and i was on the elite team from the united states. so our first bond was the intensity of rowing. how the body awareness and technique from the dutch was so different from the united states. she taught me a lot.
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she was very bold in her demeanor as well as her technique in rowing. and rowing is a unique sport in the sense that it is a lot like a life metaphor. you can't control everything around you. and i translate this experience to that. because we can't control tragedies. and i cherish the moments rowing with her. because rowing lets you be one with someone else or a team. and our indiana team was a family. and their hearts are just like her family's, just like her friends. and we so cherish the moments on the water. we wish her flat water. she likes that. >> was it you who will me she would tell you what you needed to hear, not necessarily what you wanted to hear? i like that. is that what she gave you as a
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person? >> yeah. she was the most genuine person you would ever meet. and if you were worrying about something, that you should not be worrying about or if you were obsessing over something that was not a big deal, she was going to tell you to lighten up. you know, she just wanted you to love life. >> yeah. >> good evening. i appreciate you coming in. >> thank you so much. >> you take care. it will be all right. it will be all right. >> when we come right back, the west putting tremendous pressure on vladimir in the wake of flight 17 and there are calls for even greater sanctions on russia. does putin care?
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how will putin play all this? we're joined by stephen cohen, the professor emeritus. he is also the author of soviet fates and lost alternatives. and a member of the canadian parliament and she is banned from russia in retaliation for supporting economic sanctions against the regime. great to have both of you. you come at this from different perspectives. is this a defining moment for putin on the world stage? >> absolutely. and it could be a positive moment for putin. this could be the moment when putin decides to separate himself from the separatists, when he decides to stop arming them, stop sending his nationals in to lead and train them. he doesn't have to make a big deal of it. if he does that, the conflict ends and russia can return to the world community. we heard from david cameron, the
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british prime minister, some openings toward that. i am hoping that those conversations are happening with putin, maybe led by angela merkel saying look, there's an off-ramp for you. >> that's an optimistic take on it. she's absolutely right. it is a defining moment. let me give you the view inside russia because it brings a perspective we don't hear. putin is being told, i can tell you this 100% bigger a group of 70 or 80 people around him that this is his moment of truth. no matter what he has done for russia in 14 years, if he loses eastern ukraine to nato or to any kind of western influence, he will go down in infamy in russian history. on the other side, people are telling him that we are spitting distance from an actual war between the united states and russia. and he has to act cautiously. so it is fairly clear what his strategy is at the moment. >> what will he do given those two paths? >> well, he will try his very best, and i think she would agree with this, to get a cease
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fire. but it is not in his power to give a cease fire. the cease fire will have to come from washington and kiev. because they're the ones who are attacking the eastern cities at the moment. you're saying the u.s. is backing kiev in this civil war and putin is backing the separatists and that the cease fire starts in washington? >> and kiev. >> and can i say, i think it is really important not to describe this as a civil war. this isn't a civil war. ukraine was an independent state for 23 years. and there were, there was no fighting. there were no armed separatist movements anywhere on ukrainian territory including crimea. this is a war that was started by vladimir and they are led by russian nationals so it is really important to call things by their correct names. >> i completely disagree but i don't think it is an argument that will get us anywhere. we've known each other for many
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years and we care about this. we're close to war. and we're missing that picture. we're close to war with russia. this could happen. the thing that's missing, whether she wants to call it a civil war or not. interestingly, there is an article on the new york time on the website today, the first one i've ever seen. it will be in the paper tomorrow. from the moment the plane was shot down, kiev stepped up its bombardment of these two large eastern ukrainian cities. in other words, under the cover of this tragedy, and i have to say i find this obscene. they redoubled the bombing of these ukrainian cities. whatever you think about the people in those cities, and they're women and children, all the same. stop and think what pressure that puts on putin. no matter what he wants to do. that's why i say they have to stop the fighting right now. >> let me play for you what congressman peter king suggested today in terms of what pressure to put on putin. he had some suggestions.
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listen to this. >> i think we should take very severe economic actions. and also like cutting off arafat's landing rights in the united states and europe. making every effort to keep him from hosting the next world cup. and go after their personal assets. >> economic and symbolic action. >> yes. absolutely. we've been doing it. the real action will be tomorrow. it is going to be in europe. it will be in brussels. and the big question is, do the european leaders really come on board with the economic sanctions we've seen so far? that would be really decisive. we've been talking about what are the debates happening inside the kremlin? and there are people in russia, particularly in the economic ministry. the business people who really are feeling the bite of these sanctions and who are saying to putin, please, now is the time to back off. let's hope those saner voices prevail. >> economic sanctions? >> history of sanctions tell us
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that, a, they don't work. b, they hurt the people who do the sanctions also. and in the end, sanctions are carried out by a government that doesn't really have a policy but has an attitude. >> so i know that you are cautioning everyone to wait until all the facts come out. if the, if putin's finger prints are on this weaponry and he did help train or his soldiers hemmed train the people who launched this missile, then what happens to putin? >> first of all that won't happen because it doesn't make any sense even though it is formulated. please understand these missiles are jointly russian and ukrainian built. the whole defense complex, the soviet union, was a ukraine/russian enterprise. secondly the ukrainian government has had buks since the 1970s. thirdly, there are people my age and younger, officers in the
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soviet russian army who knew how to fire these things. this is just a silly question. so there won't be those finger prints. >> we'll see what happens in europe tomorrow. >> she's right. it is very important. >> you guys agreed a lot tonight. >> we did have some agreement. i would have come back on the buks. >> next segment. thank you. meanwhile, a media war has broken out over what happened to flight 17. if one theory sounds like it could be the plot of a tv drama, that's because it is. so we'll explain where the rebels may have come one this idea. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs.
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in the finger pointing over the crash of flight 17, a war of words has broken out in the media and some of what is being presented as fact is really some creative story telling. here's cnn's miguel marquez. >> reporter: as the evidence of what exactly happened to mh 17 come to light, the media war is
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heating up, at times taking this horrific story to bizarre places. the rebel commander suggesting many of mh17's passengers were corpses, already dead and put aboard the flight. if those claim being made on the russian website sound like a hollywood plot -- that's because it is. that story line was used in more than one version of a sherlock holmes themed series. this one from elementary in 2012. >> this man did not die in a plane crash. he was murdered. >> reporter: moss allow could you has claimed the plane was shot down by a ukrainian fighter. today it presented radar evidence suggest another may not was within five miles of malaysian flight 17. >> we've seen an upwelling or a feedback loop from the rumors on the internet that eventually wind up in main stream media in russia. and are then taken as fact.
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>> reporter: both the rebels in eastern ukraine and the russian government have been slammed by world opinion over their handling of the victims' security around the wreckage and their possible culpability. >> they've intercepted conversations, bragging they had taken down the plane. so if you have the tweet and the conversations and the pictures that all point to your forces, how do you deny that it was your forces that brought down the plane? >> translator: it is very simple to disprove it. all of the information that comes through the internet in my opinion is practically all lies. >> reporter: with the stakes so high, even basic information online is being changed to shape facts. the twitter site@rugov edit tracks changes to sites wikipedia. it has tracked dozens of changes from moscow to wikipedia entries about hm sfeen.
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>> russians need to believe the kremlin was not responsible and they can't risk it, that people, the rebels who have been risking their lives for the idea of this grand russian nation are being refuted or turned away by the kremlin. >> reporter: the narrative taking an increasingly ugly tone. poroshenko says this is no longer a fight against pro-russian separatists but terrorists. >> by the way, please, don't name them separatists. there is no separatists there. they are terrorists. they are killing innocent people. >> reporter: from western leaders, an increasingly tough message as the evidence mounlts. >> the burden is on russia to insist the separatists stop tampering with the evidence. >> having them in control of the site is like leaving criminals in control of the crime scene. >> we should push our partners in the european union to consider a new range of hard hitting economic sanctions against russia.
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>> reporter: video of the victims laying in the field for days. their bodies then unceremoniously loaded on to trains. their release negotiated. the black boxes finally handed over by separatists. all of it raising concerns for whether the truth will be learned from the hard and horrible evidence laying on the ground in eastern ukraine or will it be rewritten by those who disagree with the facts? cnn, new york. >> it's an interesting piece. we're all a product of what we hear on our media. so that's what the russians are hearing. >> but the truth. we want to get to the truth. hopefully at least the retrieval of the black boxes will help us get to that. and the families now that the train cars are there, hopefully they can get their loved ones back where they can lay them to rest with dignity. and coming up, we'll talk to a former russia today report here quit her job because she said she was asked to obscure the truth. is coming up... have agreed to... kid for a night.
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today. i have huge respect for many in the team but i'm for the truth. joining me now is sarah firth. are you okay? >> i'm good, thank you can you describe the newsroom when news of malaysia flight 17 broke? >> of course, i'll based in the london office. so it is not in the main headquarters which obviously moscow base is where i had previously worked for many years. so our studio in london is slightly smaller and you don't have the sort of main frame, the inner circle of the r.t. management there. walking in and watching the story unfold in the way r.t. was running it and i saw very clearly what has happened many, many times in that situation where a story gets reported and it is handled incredibly badly. very clearly, very little fact checking and from a very early point you can see that it is already pitching a particular
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narrative. and as i said it, it is one of many, many stories that r.t. has handled that way. for me that was the final straw. >> so you mentioned narrative. what narrative did you think they were trying to push on this particular story? >> as i said on my social media account, it was tongue in cheek but it comes from a very serious place that r.t. will run on a story like this, is absolutely not russia's fault. it is ukraine's fault or whatever country that we're trying to fight back against. and at that point you really, really feel the sense that there's no adequate questioning. it is absolutely right that a different perspective should be put out there and r.t. are absolutely right that there are other channel who's speculating wildly, and holding russia accountable before evidence has come to light. but that doesn't excuse what r.t. is doing. and i'm very clear about this and i thought about it long and hard.
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r.t. is mass information manipulation. and it is incredibly effective. when you have a story like this that is so sense i have the, it can be incredibly dangerous. >> had you expressed concern to your managers about r.t.'s reporting in the past? had you brought this up? >> absolutely. it is an ongoing battle. >> what did they say? >> it is very, very clear what happens when you start questioning at r.t., you become very problematic for them. and you have lots of heated e-mail exchanges and you're put in your place very firmly. let's put it that way. you start asking the tough questions. you are not getting assign the stories where that might become problematic and it becomes a lot more difficult. and i always had a very difficult relationship with them. >> i want to go through some of the reports and get your reaction that have been in the russian media. it was a ukrainian transport plane. then that the ukrainians shot
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intentionally at mh17 because they thought it was vladimir's plane. then today a war plane was detect flying in the area of mh17. that this video that you're looking at right now of a buk mission being transported from russia was manipulated. do the russian people ever question the news reports they are receiving? >> the propaganda is so blanket and the tightening grip around independent journalism, especially inside russia is so strong that that is the viewpoint that the russian public are seeing and believing. that's why it is incredibly dangerous. a correspondent at r.t., we were broadcasting to an international audience so it was slightly different. you can see even at r.t., we pick up a lot of conspiracy theories, the unverified information. this hams on all sides and i think it is important with a story like this, it is absolutely our job as journalists of course to be questioning narratives that are
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put out. and accusations and statements from governments are not facts. and i think that's really what i wanted to highlight in this case. that's what we should be pushing for and that was not happening at r.t. >> let me talk to you as a report better this story, okay? last night vladimir said there needs to be full cooperation with the investigation into this particular incident. do you believe the truth will ever come out having worked there? >> i don't think you're going to get the truth broadcast are r.t., no, i don't. that's the biggest problem with the story. the narrative was set from the very beginning of this. and there's no questioning, no hard questioning over the areas that we should have been asking them. it is very difficult. as i said, working within r.t., you're not outright lying. i learned that with r.t. there are a million different ways to lie. it is very, very easy as a
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journalist to exempt yourself from responsibility of what the channel is doing on a wider level. what i said is, what we do at r.t. so effectively is take one tiny sliver of the information. a couple of the facts and then push them incredibly aggressively and without the all important context behind those, you end up getting a massively distorted version of what's going. on it is very, very effective. that's why it is so dangerous. >> so if you can give me a yes or no. do you think the truth will come out with r.t., you said no. do you think it will come out from russia? no. >> can i get your reaction from the statement that they released about your resignation. it says sarah has chosen that she chooses the truth. apparently we have different definitions of truth. we believe that truth is what our reporters see on the ground with their own eyes. not what's printed in the numb. and r.t. did not draw conclusions before the initial investigation has even begun. we show all sides of the story,
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even if everyone else has already decided which side is to blame. what do you think? >> it was completely unsurprising and as i said, this idea is inharnlt within r.t.'s system. that there are multiple versions of the truth. and i think that's a risky game to start playing. and r.t. is a game. and as a journalist that worked there for such a long time, i made it. i had my eyes wide open. my reporting i felt i could defend and i was trying very hard to fact check and be accurate. what you're doing at the end of the day is giving that one tiny slice as i am, that gets into the narrative and you end up packaging the stories and tiny bits of facts, and packaging lies as truth. and i just, you know, as i said, something that i felt very strongly i had to talk about. >> sarah firth, good luck to you. thank you. >> thank you.
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israel and hamas, president obama will not be monitoring late developments from the oval office. he'll be on his way to the west coast for three days of fund-raisers. first in seattle, then heading to san francisco and los angeles. trying to raise millions of dollars. the white house insist that's the president will not let up on the pressure he's applying to vladimir and can easily do that from out west. we'll bring you the latest on we'll bring you the latest on all that tomorrow. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com we are all over two big breaking news stories for you. first flight 17. a train carrying the bodies of some victims has left donetsk. >> meanwhile the u.n. security council adopts a resolution condemning the downing of the plane and demanding full access to the site. and our
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