accusations -- >> what are they trying to hide. >> making getting answers for grieving families even harder. >> i'm wolf blitzer in jerusalem. also breaking, john kerry is in cairo. can he stop the bloodshed? the violence escalating. 27 israeli soldiers killed and the death toll and new video, israel bombing hamas fighters inside israel. we're live with the latest. >> a special edition of "new day" starts right now. behind us is the crime scene that has become familiar the world over, and sadly little has changed here. as you can see, still no real investigation going on, still no real security of the site. ironically only when the bodies were taken away was there finally a show of respect for the victims, not by the militia,

but by local villagers. they came out head covered, christians and had a prayer service. they are just leaving now. they prayed for the dead and prayed for their souls and they prayed for answers in this situation. and they will be joined by the families of so many who are waiting as well. now, john and kate, we do have finally information about the victims and about the investigation, at least with the black boxes coming up this morning. if nothing else, we'll take that as progress. >> absolutely right. chris is on the ground in ukraine for us, and we're also following another breaking story this morning. wolf blitzer, as you can see, is on the ground if jerusalem with the very latest on conflict between israel and gaza. we'll have that in a few minutes but first the very latest of the downing of flight 17. more sanctions could be on the way for russia. travel bans, asset freezes and other restrictions could be implemented as european foreign ministers gather in brussels. >> now a "new york times" analysis shows a piece of the wreckage has signs of high

velocity shrapnel. this suggests a supersonic missile like ones used by russians exploded by that jet and russia has adopted a resolution condemning the plane's take down. this morning the australian prime minister had harsh words for the rebels in eastern-backed rebels. >> after the crime comes the cover-up. what we've seen is evidence tampering on an industrial scale. >> on an industrial level. that's an unusual phrase, but one that seems to fit based on what we've understood here on the ground, and certainly for the families. every mention of a delay, every mention of something being rummaged through is painful, and at least now there is information that loved ones are finally, after days in the sun, on their way home.

timely head home. the remains of the victims arrived overnight while privately disturbed for the lack of respect for the dead, dutch forensic experts expressed satisfaction. >> i'm very impressed by the work that was done over here, the means and the people who did it. >> reporter: now away from pro-russian rebels the remains can be flown to amsterdam where they will finally be identified through dna testing and repatriated. most of the passengers from from the netherlands. 16 people remain unaccounted for. five days in the combination of open warfare and militant control have blocked any real inspection of the crime scene by international experts. in the middle of a media frenzy the self-appointed prime minister signs a pact with malaysian officials and later in a second media fest turns over the flight data recorders. >> the burden now is on russia

to insist that the separatists stop tampering with the evidence, grant investigators who are already on the ground immediate, full and unimpeded access to the crash site. what exactly are they trying to hide. >> reporter: experts say the plain black boxes may hold little information about what brought the plane crashing follow crowned but may provide very little information about who is responsible and why. this new found openness was matched by russia, announcing they have proof a ukrainian plane may have been flying near flight 17 when it fell from the sky. in an interview with cnn's christiane amanpour, the ukraine president firing back at russian officials. >> instead of doing such irresponsible statement, they have an opportunity to send their representative and present to the commission all the necessary evidence. >> reporter: and reminding that despite the apparent goodwill of local militia, they are not the good guys. >> don't name separatists.

there are no separatists there. they are terrorists. they are killing the innocent people. >> reporter: just an observation for here. there's a little bit of sun in the sky over the area where the people have been praying, and over the crash site there's heavy cloud cover and actual light rain coming down here right now. probably an apt metaphor for what's going on in this situation. let's try to figure out how we move forward, how we get answers. let's bring in the u.s. ambassador to osce. they are here supposed to be monitoring the violence but they have been pushed into overseeing what's happening here and being the eyes on the world. can you hear us? >> i can. >> sorry for the delay. let's try to make the conversation work. anyway, most importantly thank you for joining us. may i ask, i know you were in vienna. as the u.s. representative to

osce, has the u.s. instructed you to come here so that there can be a presence on the ground for the united states? >> well, the osce is an international organization of 57 participating states. i have been to ukraine several times in recent months, most recently for the inauguration of president poroshenko but people on the ground as part of the special monitoring commission come from over 22 countries and represent all 57 participating states in the osce, including the russian federation, ukraine, united states and many of our other partners. >> so you feel you have the right people on the ground for what they do. now, let people know they are not in the business, the osce, of investigating airplane crashes, right? they are just doing the best that they can, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a need for experts and francic experts to come in and make sense of all of this before it's too late.

is that true? >> that's right, chris. obviously our hearts continue to go out to the families of the victim and finally now five days after the crash we are glad to hear that the remains have reached karkev. i was looking at a makeshift memorial at the airport in liverpool and obviously our hearts continue to break for the victims' families. there was a declaration again, joined by all 57 states friday, the day after the crash, that asked the smm to get there as soon as possible and called for safe and secure access for the monitoring mission to be able to monitor the security of the site and the access to the site, and what needs to happen next, you're exactly right, as president obama said yesterday, there needs to be a clear, unfettered, unlimited secure access to the site by international investigators so

that an investigation can continue. now, that is what needs to happen in the coming days. obviously it's regrettable that these armed separatists prevented safe access in the days following the crash. it's regrettable that so much has been tampered with and molested in the days since, but now we need to move forward and do as much as we can to get clear access to that site so that international forensic investigators can do their job. >> and just to be clear. there was a statement made by the self-appointed prime minister that he was advised by the osce to not touch the bodies, not cover them and leave them as they were. i've heard from your people on the ground that that is not true. do you think that there's any chance that that type of advisement was given by your organization to the local militia? >> i've heard what you've heard which is that none of the osce

officials on the ground had delivered that advice and certainly the osce is not an aeronautical safety administration. it's a monitoring service to monitor what is going on the ground and now we need to let the international experts come in and do their work. >> okay. also, as we're getting an understanding of something of what's going on here we've been told that you have to understand the context, that ukraine authorities had been bombing villages in the east, and as a result there was a message sent by militias that they would take action against planes in the sky and that that's how this started. is that a fair depiction of the nature of the violence here? that is neither an accurate

depiction of the nature of the violence or a justification. you don't shoot down airplanes out of the sky because you're angry at something. never been a good argument and never will be. the fact that the ukrainian government has been carrying out an anti-terrorist operation for the last several months combating the separatists in the east and have made clear on numerous occasions their desire to avoid any kinds of civilian casualties. obviously they are continuing to pursue these armed separatists, and these armed separatists are not an independent force. these are armed separatists who have been supplied and trained by russia, and the broader context that people need to understand here is while the shootdown of the plane is certainly a tragedy, it's not a mystery. this would not have happened had russia not been arming, training these separatists, sending arms across the border, and it is a terrible tragedy that this has come from russia's meddling in

ukraine. >> all right. thank you so much, ambassador. we need perspective here very badly and appreciate you giving it to us this morning. now, i want to give over to wolf blitzer who obviously is covering the other major breaking news this morning, the conflict between israel and gaza. wolf, we're having a little bit of a communication issue because of the weather. i hope you can hear me, an i hope you're safe. >> i hear you're fine. you're doing an amazing job over there, chris. be careful over there and the ambassador, certainly a blunt guy. knows what he's talking about. glad we got him on the air. the other breaking news story we're following in the middle east, the bloody struggle between israel and hamas and gaza. it's now killed more than 600 palestinians. that number has just gone up. many of them, of course, civilians, along with more than two dozen israeli troops who have been killed. seven soldiers alone were killed on money. efforts to identify one of them ongoing. israeli military officials say

earlier this morning gaza city experienced a violent blast after an apparent israeli air strike back home in the united states. and a new cnn/orc poll reveals americans are siding largely with israel. 57% say israeli hackses against hamas in gaza are justified. the secretary of state john kerry is still in the region. he's in cairo, as we speak right now. i just checked. he's continuing his efforts to try to broker some sort of cease-fire. let's go to gaza right now. cnn's karl penhaul is watching all the latest activity. looks like it's even intensifying on this day. is that right? >> reporter: yeah. throughout the night and throughout the morning, wolf, things have heated up even more. we've had barrages from naval gun boats off the coast of gaza. we've had artillery fire coming in from gaza's eastern border with israel. also, in the last few moments we've seen huge explosions going

up in eastern gaza that. seems to me that that could have been the israeli military trying to explode some of these tunnels, some of these militant tunnels that they are so desperate to shut down. of course, we do know and are aware of the developments, the diplomatic developments in cairo, but certainly the developments on the battle field still rage on. let's take a look at what's happened. overnight more bloodshed on both sides of the israel gaza border. close to 600 palestinians killed and some of those victims targeted last night in raids like this one in gaza city. on the other side, at least 27 israeli soldiers now dead. despite the rising death toll, israel is pushing ahead with operation protective edge. cnn captured this video of israeli forces battling hamas militants inside israel. the hamas fighters had stealthily entered israel through an underground tunnel on

monday. night vision video released by the israeli military shows the militants reportedly sneaking in mere kibbutz. israel then responds with a targeted air strike and ten hamas fighters killed, according to israel. this morning u.s. secretary of state john kerry is in cairo with u.n. secretary general ban ki-moon to push the cease-fire effort forward. the u.s. also extending $47 million in humanitarian aid to gaza. as the warfare between gaza and israel rages on, lebanon's militant grey-bruce hezbollah has reached out to hamas voicing their support from israel's other border, a suggestion perhaps israel may now have to worry about a second front. now just to give you some idea of the intensity of the fighting, the palestinian health ministry is telling us that since midnight that means in the last 13 hours 46 palestinians have been killed, and as we know

the united nations says the majority of those are civilians, but, of course, the other thing we are closely watching is the fate of that seventh soldier whose status according to the israeli military still has to be determined. we don't know exactly what that means, but this is the soldier that hamas claims that they managed to capture early on sunday morning. if he is captured and if he is still alive, then that is going to be a huge bargaining chip for hamas. they are likely to use that to gain political and military leverage. wolf. >> have they shown any proof of life that they say the israeli soldier that they captured is in fact alive? >> reporter: no. we certainly have not seen proofs of life, neither video nor audio recordings from this israeli soldier that they claim to have taken prisoner. earlier on sunday night a spokesman for the al qassam brigade did give out that soldier's name and serial

number. the israeli military have confirmed he is so far not listed among the remains of those who are identified and confirmed dead. the seventh soldier that the israeli military says that they are still working to determine his status is a member, however, of the golani brigades, the brigades that came into a fire fight with hamas, and they say that that seventh soldier was also aboard an armored personnel carrier, and six of this soldier's colleagues were killed in that attack. wolf? >> karl penhaul reporting for us from gaza. be careful over there, karl. it's going to be a very, very intense day as the effort to come up with some sort of cease-fire clearly continues. i anticipate the secretary of state john kerry will be here in israel fairly soon. the u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon is apparently on his way as well. john and kate, back to you guys in new york. >> thanks so much, wolf, and we'll get back to you as soon as we can. obviously major developments where you are, major developments in ukraine as well, but there is other news to tell you about this morning.

michaela? >> thanks so much. good morning to the two of you and good morning to you at home. breaking overnight. the taliban is claiming responsibility for a suicide bombing that killed four people in afghanistan's capital city. the suicide bomber on a motorcycle detonated his vest outside of kabul's airport. four foreigners were killed and six others were injured. their nationalities at this point are not clear. law enforcement officials along the texas-mexico border are slamming governor rick perry's decision to send 1,000 national guard troops in to deal with the influx of children and families crossing the border. several border leaders question the wisdom of deploying military personnel who can't arrest or send anyone back across the border, but perry says the price of inaction is too high and blasted the federal government for lip service and empty promises. the chokehold death of a staten island man is putting new york city's police commissioner under microscope again. protesters gathered outside city

hall calling for commissioner bill bratton's investigation saying he's not addressed the systemic brutality aimed at minorities and low-income new yorkers. 43-year-old eric garner died friday after an nypd officer put him in an illegal chokehold. college friend of boston marathon bombing dzhokhar tsarnaev is now facing up to 20 years in prison. he was convicted of obstetrics of justice and conspiracy for removing a backpack from tsarnaev's dorm room days after the attack. he's the first of three friends to be tried for impeding the investigation. sarn jeff for his part is scheduled to go on trial in november. attorneys for donald and shelling sterling back in court in a battle to sell the l.a. clippers. meeting between donald sterling and steve ballmer did not settle the case. ballmer wants to buy the team for a record $2 billion and donald sterling claims the team

is worth more than that and his wife is not authorized to sell the team. we'll keep an eye on that story, situation out in los angeles. >> interesting that they met, mr. ballmer and mr. sterling in the privacy of their homes. >> like the end of the next playoff season before this is resolved. >> several billion dollars can grease the wheels. >> amazing how that happens. >> can move things along. a really good point. let's get a check of the forecast and get over to meteorologist indra petersons to see how things are looking at home. >> have you seen this before? this is called the may flower swarm, talking about hundreds of thousands of flies that came out sunday evening, living for a day or so and dying all across lacrosse, wisconsin. that was sunday night. so many of them you can see it on the radar, an you have believable sight. keep in mind it's a sign of good health of the mississippi river. there is an upside of that. something else you may have been hearing about is there's now a tropical depression out in the

atlantic. this has the potential to be birthed out here. it's also expected to die out before it hits the u.s. mainland. dying here around the lee ward islands. look at the heat. these are the afternoon highs, but we haven't added in the humidity just yet. once you factor that in, you're talking about the heat indices going about towards 110 degrees. definitely some extreme heat concerns will be out there today especially in places mike minneapolis. also flying through chicago. that means we'll be talking about a severe weather threat that affects your flight. showers into the northeast by wednesday night into thursday and even a severe weather threat coming in in a day or so. unbelievable sight. have you seen that in person? >> not to that extent at all. but they are part of -- >> kate balduan says a sign of health in the mississippi river, not a sign of end of days. >> again, fine line. >> shows up on radar.

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words going on here about how this plane was taken out of the sky. russia says they have information that a ukraine fighter plane was in the same airspace as where mh17 was when it was shot out of the sky. they say that they are not giving any assets like buk surface-to-air missiles to militias. they say they have nothing to do with this. and on the other side, of course, there's the ukraine government saying it was the rebels and they can prove it. let's bring in a man to make exactly that case. he's the head of informational security for ukraine. thanks for joining us this morning. tell us, why is it that you believe that you can prove that it was the militiamen, the rebels who shot this plane out of the sky? >> well, the security service of ukraine possess concrete

evidence that bukm1 was deployed illegally early in the morning of july 17. it was deployed to the city of donetsk and then something about 9:00 a.m. in the morning it went back in the military column with the tanks and we obtained that foreign interception legally, according to permission, and we already provided that phone interception to the investigators and to our international partners. >> they say that the evidence you've provided of phone conversations and social media are fabricated, are fake. that's what the self-appointed prime minister says, and russia says you had a warplane in the airspace at the same time.

is that true? did you have a warplane, and is there any basis for the suggestion that you made this up? >> i won't wait another point of view from russian media or russian authorities. we didn't have any military plane at the scene at the moment, and we have -- we taped conversations between russia gru officer reporting to his superior officer in moscow using russian phone number that his subordinates shot down the plane. we know for sure that several minutes before the missile was launched there was a report to gru officer who was aware that the plane is coming, having in possession a russian origin

bukm1 military launch they had to understand. they knew that the plane is coming with constant speed in a constant direction that they should know that it is not a military jet fighter and it should be a big civilian plane. >> the idea of shared responsibility in this situation, does ukraine's government feel shared responsibility because of the ongoing conflict and what the militiamen say is constant attacks of eastern towns? do you believe you share responsibility for creating an atmosphere of violence that led to the shooting down of the plane? >> not at all. i would like to stress everybody's opinion that here in ukraine we do not have rebels and we do not have civil war.

right now we have mercenaries. we have terrorists that are sent from the territory of russian federation to ukraine, and right now russia provokes terrorism. russia finance terrorist activities on the territory of ukraine. russia federation provides weapons, ammunition, terrorists, machine guns, missile launchers, everything to the terrorists on the territory of ukraine so we do not share any responsibility of provoking the unstable situation in the eastern regions of ukraine. >> you know that countries are very worried about coming here because of the ongoing warfare. given that why did the ukraine government decide to start developing in the donetsk region when you know the cease-fire is so fragile here, when you know peace is so fragile and that we're waiting desperately for

international experts to come? why start shelling again during this period when we have to investigate? >> you know, i'm part of the ukrainian comment so i cannot give comment to that. right now the territory is under the control of terrorists and the ukrainian government can hardly apply all measures to control the territory. it's only on the russian side to give orders to terrorists to stop fighting, to cease-fire and to give international community, to give everybody to all those countries whose citizens died in that terrorist attack, to give a chance to get to the scene of the plane crash. >> last question, sir. do you have any reason to believe, any intelligence developed, that will substantiate claims that the militiamen here, the locals, were looking through the crime

scene to hide certain evidence that, that they took the flight data recorders for some reason? do you have any intelligence to back up any of those allegations? >> exactly. from the very first moment we got intelligence that terrorists were given orders by the leaders of the terrorist groups there at the scene to hide all the evidence. we knew for sure from our sources that they tried to take some bodies on the tracks and move them away. right now we're checking that information. we can't confirm it officially right now but it's intelligence. we knew for sure that they were trying to get access directly to the black boxes of the plane, not to give a chance to ukrainian authority or whatever else authority to get access to the black box, and they were given orders to move it to

separatist leaders. >> thank you very much for your perspective this moment. it's hard to understand this situation. every information helps. thank you. john, kate, as i give it back to you. lots of different types of warfare, as we know. one is an information warfare, a propaganda warfare, very much going on especially where we're standing right now. it's hard to find someone in this area of eastern ukraine who does not subscribe to the theory that ukraine's government had something to do with taking this plane out of the sky, either as a plot against vladimir putin or in order to just show animosity and turn the world against what they say is a rightout rebellion, so there are very different points of view on this. the facts have to bear it out. that's why the investigation is so important. >> that's why it's important that you're on the ground. you'll weed lieu it all and bring the facts to life.

chris, thanks so much. we'll get right back to you. coming up next on "new day," much more on the flight 17 investigation, but, first, the fighting goes on in gaza as secretary of state john kerry, he pushes for a cease-fire. we'll speak with a palestinian parliament member about the chances for peace. >> plus, he vanished after the south korean ferry disaster in april. now the suspected owner has been found dead. what authorities are now saying about this. that's ahead. ♪

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we'll get to the latest on flight 17 in just a moment, but we want to give you a look at your other headlines. in the midst of the east -- in the middle east the bloodshed in gaza conflict has the u.s. pushing for peace this morning. secretary of state john kerry is in cairo desperately trying to convince hamas fighters to put down their biological weapons and accept an egyptian cease-fire proposal. more than 600 palestinians have already been killed. many of those civilians. seven israeli soldiers were killed monday. efforts to identify one of them is on going this morning. it is being called an unprecedented bankruptcy bailout. detroit workers and retirees have approved pension cuts by a landslide. city officials revealed the results of two months of voting monday, calling it a crucial step for the city as it tries to

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another 1,200 over central washington have been forced to evacua evacuate. >> that's huge. >> they were concerned about air quality. all the evacuations, it's very concerning, to say the least. >> absolutely. let's give you an update on that horrible ferry disaster that killed more than 300 people earlier this year. south korean police have now identified a body found last month as that of the suspected owner of the ferry. paula hancocks is hear with more of the story. you were there. you covered the story from the very beginning. there was a manhunt under way for him at some point, right? >> reporter: that's right, yes. he's the suspected owner of the ferry though his defenders deny that. there were basically 2,000 police around the country looking for this man. half a million dollar reward for any information that would lead to his arrest and he, apart from the captain who, of course, was filmed escaping that sinking ferry, he was one of the most hated men in south korea. he was vilified by the press,

the public, even the president criticized him for going on the run and for not coming forward and facing justice, though his defenders say he was a scapegoat. of course, as this manhunt was going on we now realize that he had already died, his decomposing body was found in a farm by one farmer, and that was back on june 12th. >> they have finally identified him. have they determined whether it was murder or suicide? >> police at this point say there's no sign of foul play but they are not saying if it's suicide. want to do more investigation. they say that his body was found surrounded by alcohol bottles, although his supporters say he didn't drink, but they say they have to find out at this point when exactly he died. they don't know the time of death or the exact cause of death but, of course, it is sending shock waves. >> real quick, they still haven't found some of the bodies. is the investigation over? >> the investigation is ongoing. there are still ten bodies, unfortunately, that have not

been found. 294 people have been confirmed dead, and as you know many of them were schoolchildren on a field trip. >> my goodness. paula, thank you very much. what an unbelievable twist in a horrific story already. thank you so much. >> dark, dark twist to something already pretty dark to begin with. next up on "new day," secretary of state john kerry will push for a cease-fire as israel continues its offensive into gaza. what are the chances this morning for a breakthrough? we're going to get the palestinian perspective coming up. when laquinta.com sends him a ready for you alert the second his room is ready, ya know what salesman alan ames becomes? i think the numbers speak for themselves. i'm sold! a "selling machine!" ready for you alert, only at lq.com. while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, this can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain, and improve daily physical function so moving is easier.

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welcome back to "new day." i'm wolf blitz are live in jer lem. as the death toll rises in the gaza conflict secretary of state conjerry is still in cairo today pushing forward with his efforts to try to broerk some sort of cease-fire deal between israel and hamas. let's bring in a palestinian point of view right now. joining us is dr. barghouti, a member of the palestinian parliament and founder of the palestinian national initiative. mr. barghouti, thanks so much for joining us. when we spoke last night you were hopeful that maybe there could be some sort of humanitarian pause, a temporary cease-fire today. that clearly has not developed. where does the effort for a cease-fire stand from your

perspecti perspective? >> since yesterday the hamas side and palestinian groups in gaza have been asking for this humanitarian cease-fire to be able to take out the injured people who might be suffering now under the rebels and to take out the bodies, but since yesterday and up until this moment israel refuses to accept humanitarian cease-fire, and that is very unfortunate. the other development is that i think now there is an increasing rise of the voices of so many places in the world describing what israel is doing in gaza as a massacre and as an act of genocide. the total number of palestinians killed is 523 people and 3,645 injured. 90% of them are civilians, women and children. the french foreign minister has called what's happening as a

massacre. he's calling for immediate cease-fire. the u.n. is calling for a cease-fire. mr. ban ki-moon is calling for a cease-fire so i think the pressure is mounting to -- on israel that something should be done to stop this war. >> but as far as you know, hamas is ready for this kind of at least temporary humanitarian cease-fire. is that right? >> yeah. not only are they ready, they are asking for it. they told me yesterday, i spoke to them, and they said they wanted very much because they are worried many injured people might die and they cannot get them out. also they want to retrieve the bodies of people who are killed. as you know, six hospitals have been attacked by israel. yesterday israel killed four people in one of the hospitals. 31 families in gaza have been completely eliminated. i'm talking about the

grandfather, the grandmother, the father, the mother and children, grappledsons and grand daughters. you know, palestinians live in extended families in one house usually or in several houses, and these are 31 families have that been eliminated. nobody is still alive from these families. this has become very ugly and i think the israeli efforts to claim they are the only responsible side for this is not working, especially in light of the difference of the number of people killed. as i said, 523 palestinians called versus 28 israeli soldiers and 2 civilians. the -- the difference is dramatic. as we say we don't want any israeli or palestinian to be killed, but this aggression, this war must be stopped as soon as possible.

this is intolerable. i mean, with the passage of every day, the number of people killed is increasing. yesterday 120 people were killed. the day before 100. the day before that 85. maybe today it will be 150. it's becoming, use i becoming g massacre against the palestinian population. >> if there is a temporary humanitarian cease-fire, paced on your conversations with hamas, would they be willing to stop firing rockets and missiles, stop infiltration through those underground tunnels as part of a broader cease-fire, stop some of the fighting now and deal with some of the longer term issues down the road? >> absolutely. they are ready for that. that's what they are saying, and by the way, nobody use these tunnels until this war was started by israel. i mean, offing they use the

tunnels as an act of self-defense in case there is a war but i'm sure all these operations will stop, and now there is a lot of criticism in israeli media that israeli army was misleading the public about its goals and about its achievements. i think even the "new york times" is writing that israel is now in deep trouble because all the lies that have been told about this war are being exposed, and i think prime minister netanyahu has failed or is failing at least increasingly in dehumanizing palestinians and claiming that this is a war with hamas, while actually it's a war on the palestinian civilian population. there are demonstrations all over the world, and i think, as i said, the pressure is mounting, and i hope this massacre will stop. this bloodshed will stop and that israeli or palestinians won't be killed anymore. we have to stop this an only way to solve this is through a political problem that could end

the israeli military occupation of palestinian territories and end this conflict. end the system of apartheid which israel is falling in, and i don't think any jewish or israeli person can be proud about the fact that israel is becoming a system of apartheid and discrimination in the 21st century. >> dr. barghouti, i know those are strong views that you have sharing the palestinian perfect frif r -- perspective from ramallah on the west bank. thank you very much. >> coming up next, investigators are trying to find out exactly what happened for flight 17 as rebel rebels for the first time show a sign of cooperation. former secretary of state madeleine albright who was recently in ukraine will join us to talk about the situation on the ground. ♪

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>> i'm wolf blitzer in jerusalem. also breaking, no end in sight. the violence is clearly escalating. the death toll among palestinians in gaza now approaching 600. secretary of state john kerry is in the region this hour. can he stop the bloodshed? >> only hamas now needs to make the decision. >> a special edition of "new day" continues right now. >> and we're live at the crash site where flight mh17 went down. it's become a familiar scene, and, unfortunately, little has changed here. renewed fighting between the ukraine and militants has made it even more difficult for the international community to come here on the ground and investigate this properly. the rebels here very much still in control. just moments ago one came up to us and offered video of the

first moments of the plane crashing down, as if he wanted to help us understand the situation. his next request was for money. very mixed message about what the intentions of the people in control here is all about, and yet you have to take progress where you find it, and there are some good things to report this morning as well, at least in terms of the movement of the bodies and a slight movement in the investigation that we'll tell you about. but let me take you back to kate and john in new york. >> their bodies finally on their way home, and now the investigation really needs to ramp up in that area where you are right there. chris, right back to you. also looking at this morning. following the developments in israel and gaza. wolf blitzer, as you can see right there, he's in jerusalem and monitoring the very latest. first, let's talk about the very latest on the shootdown of flight 17. >> russia facing the possibility of more sanctions when european foreign ministers meet today, travel bans and asset freezes and other restrictions on the

table. we'll see if other leaders act. now a "new york times" analysis shows the wreckage has signs of high velocity shrapnel suggesting a supersonic missiles used like the one by the russians. the u.n. security council including russia adopted a resolution condemning the attack on the plane. a lot going on there on the ground, a lot going on in the united nations and a lot going on in europe with leaders there. chris? >> all right, john. thank you very much. what has been waited here for, for all the geopolitical back and forth going on and blaming in the process of trying to figure out who did this and why when it comes to the crash of mh17, there should be focus really on the families and the victims, and there we do have some progress. they are timely starting to move home. today a very important step. dutch authorities who are on the ground and malaysian authorities here as well, we believe they are right up the road, here at

the site for the first time, but the dutch will finally get to take the bodies, take them out of the bags and put them into coffins. may seem like a small thing, but to the families it will give a little sense of closure and little sense of respect and that will go a long way in what's been a long process of indign y indignity. finally headed home. the remains of 222 victims arrived in ukrainian-controlled kharkhiv overnight by plane. and while privately disturbed by the lack of respect for the dead dutch forensic experts expressed a measure of satisfaction. >> i'm very impressed about the work that was done over here, overseeing the means and the people who did it. >> now away from pro-russian rebels the remains can be flown to amsterdam where they will finally be identified through dna testing and repatriated. most of the passengers were from the netherlands. 16 people remain unaccounted for.

five days in the combination of open warfare and militant control have blocked any real inspection of the crime scene by international experts. in the middle of a media frenzy the self-appointed prime minister signs a pact with malaysian officials and later in a second media fest turns over the flight data recorders. >> the burden now is on russia to insist that the separatists stop tampering with the evidence, grant investigators who are already on the ground immediate full and unimpeded access to the crash site. what exactly are they trying to hide. >> experts say the plane's black boxes may hold vital information about what brought flight 17 crashing to the ground but may provide very little information about who is responsible and why. this new-found openness was matched by russia, announcing they have proof a ukrainian plane may have been flying near flight 17 when it fell from the sky. in an interview with cnn's christiane amanpour the ukraine

president firing back at russian officials. >> instead of doing such irresponsible statement, they have an opportunity to send their representative and present to the commission all the necessary evidence. >> and reminding that despite the apparent goodwill of local militia they are not the good guys. >> don't name separatists. there is no separatists there. they are terrorists. they are killing the innocent people. >> so much speculation flying around. so much hardship, at least one step closer for the vic times to making it home. what do we know and what's really just more question than it is a question of anything factual. let's bring in christiane amanpour, our cnn foreign correspondent. i know john and kate are going to talk to you about the bigger issues. let me talk to you about two specific things to this site. the first is all this international outrage. more most be done. the president of the united states has full and open access. the locals in charge say yes, were want that.

how come foreign entities aren't making more of an effort to come here and be on the ground, because as you know the suggestion that eastern ukraine is just too hot, while true, it is dangerous, there are many hot places in the world and international bodies are on the ground in all of them. why not here? >> well, it is an active war zone, as you've been describing yourself, and the onus the international community has put on president putin to get his pro-russia separatists to stand down. in my interview with the ukrainian president poroshenko he announced a 45-kilometer zone around the crash site in order to facilitate investigations. when i asked him why there was fighting around donetsk yesterday, he said my soldiers are being attacked. we're trying to push them back, but we want to facilitate investigators coming to that crash site, so they are coming, as you've seen, in drib and drabs but not enough. you mentioned that picture of a fuselage john did that is in the

"new york times." it's also in the british newspapers, and it does show what investigators and analysts say are shrapnel hits, shrapnel marks on the fuselage of that downed plane, plus a big gaping hole, so while some may be asking questions as to who did it and what, the huge bulk of forensic analysis and international opinion and evidence is that this was done by that russian system by pro-russian separatists, possibly with russian help as well, and that's where all of this is now waiting for president putin to act. >> let me ask you one more specific question here and then i'll give it to john and kate. the black box, the pageantry, you should have seen it. the self-appointed prime minister surrounded by media, signing the pact with the malaysians. i'm speaking sarcastically of it

because i'm suspicious of it. is there a chance that this is a chance to gain legitimacy? to get this pact by the local authority. i have the black boxes themself and the main question is who did this and what happened and it will tell us within the plane, but was there a little bit of a political play here? >> i think they are under obviously a massive amount of international pressure and with even these self-declared people who live in a parallel reality as you yourself have now been able to see, chris, they live in a parallel reality calling themselves prime minister, doing this, doing that and thinking they have any right over the crb site what is over. as the australian prime minister said it's like criminals being in charge of the crime scene. so this is a major problem, and they are obviously feeling some of the international pressure, but us a do say they want to be taken seriously and legitimately as a legitimate body. president poroshenko has put pay

to that and said to us in no uncertain terms don't refer to them as separatists. they are terrorists because it's believed they have shot down this plane with civilians, not just that, but shooting, as he said to me, you know, three to 11 of my soldiers every single do i day and that's why we keep fighting. and here's one more very important fact. president poroshenko and the ukrainian military were beginning to make massive headway in imposing ukrainian central control over that separatist region of eastern ukraine after the elections. it was only after the inclusion of various missiles into rebel hands that started shooting down ukrainian military fights that the balance of power shifted again ena little bit towards the rebels, and this is a very important fact. the question is who allowed them to have this materiel and significant jump in military power and that's what all this

centers on right now? nobody thinks the civilian plane was brought down intentionally but by mistake. >> by mistake, that's exactly what i wanted to ask you about because you've got the focus on what's changed on the ground but also what is changing kind of in terms of the international blame game. i want to get your take on what you make of the u.s. ambassador to the united nations and when he said to reporters yesterday. he essentially said that this was a mistake. this was an accident. this wasn't terrorism, and here's the quote, just to remind our viewers. he said to reporters following the u.n. security council meeting, if they think they shot down a military jet, it was confusion. if it was confusion, it was not an act of terrorism, and he's talking -- the they he's referring to is pro-russian rebels. what do you make of that? is that an opening? is that the off ramp for vladimir putin? >> i think it's a little bit of both. i think that he's acknowledging, again, international pressure. remember, he's sitting in new york ant weight of international

opinion and outrage is clearly felt in new york unlike perhaps in moscow where a mass i ever propaganda machine continues to tell the people of russia that this was the ukrainian responsibility. it is truly a parallel reality that's going on in moscow. so perhaps vitaly churkin is able to weigh the information being put out in the west, including malaysia and australia and other parts of the world. on the other hand, the russians, again, have reacted in a way that is simply unacceptable to most of the international public opinion, and that is the defense minister himself yesterday came out and purported to show evidence or said that he had evidence that actually was a ukrainian military jet as chris said of flight mh17 during its flight. this is reminiscent of what the russians did -- in fact, the soviet union did, back 31 years

or so when kal 007 was brought down. over and over again saying we have evidence that shows x, y or z but the anything that it was soviet orders that brought down a passenger plane. reminiscent of what's going on right now. they challenge u.s. and others and say show us you are evidence. they know perfectly well in many instances governments don't put military intelligence into the public domain, but -- so they are still obfuscating and you keep asking why president putin at this moment of truth doesn't start pivoting to some kind of cooperation. >> has he? do you think the pro-russian rebels would have turned over the black boxes and would have turned over the bodies and would have allowed investigators greater access to the scene? do you think these rebels would have done it without pressure or at least the tacit support or approval from vladimir putin?

>> i think they are getting the message loud and clear but it's unclear how much they were told to cooperate. handing over the black boxes is basic. there's a lot of false information as there often is in the fog of the catastrophes that the black boxes had gone to moscow. the ukrainians said they intercepted conversations saying that moscow wanted them and that the separatists were sending them there under orders. in any way, that's not the case obviously and they have handed them over to malaysian authorities and investigators, but this is right now -- about that investigation, but about much, much more. vladimir putin has to do more than talk about the black boxes. he has to talk about standing these separatists down and recognizing international law and to that point and to that end in europe today in brussels, eu foreign ministers are going to be starting a process of potentially ratcheting up sanctions. i'll tell you a lot of the conversation, both here and in england and great britain where

david cameron the prime minister has really sounded very, very hawkish, much more hawkish than ever before, where the chancellor of the ex-checker, the treasury secretary, george osborn, has said we cannot afford the economic hit of big countries bullying others and violating international sovereignty. we cannot afford the economic hit of civilian planes being blown out of air. that's a much bigger economic hit potentially than imposing sanctions on moscow. the prime minister of malta who admitted on cnn that in the past he was willing to say well let's get all the facts. let's see what putin has to say and the ukrainians have to say about what's going on in ukraine. since the downing of the mh17 these questions are over. this has now crossed a line, and we have to target russia more pointedly. and here's the thing. when sanctions are imposed, and that is sanctions obviously instead of war, let's face it, first and foremost sanctions

usually involve military sales. right now france is talking about helicopter assault warships to russia. the international community wants them at least not to do that. >> this is wolf in jerusalem, let's get to the current crisis unfolding here. the fighting seems to be escalating between israel and hamas. the diplomacy is escalating payment. secretary of state john kerry still in cairo and ban ki-moon on his way here to israel. i was struck. the first thing -- almost the first thing that the secretary of state did, once he got to cairo, met with ban ki-moon, was announce that the u.s. was going to provide nearly $50 million, $47 million in emergency humanitarian aid to the palestinians in gaza. what did that say to you as far as his efforts to try to establish some credibility to get a cease-fire, shall we say? >> well, i think it showed that the political pressure is mounting. the scenes and the sites of these now, you know, more than 600 palestinians, so many of

them children being slaughtered is very, very difficult for the world to bear. let's again say 601 palestinians, according to the palestinian authority, and about 27 israelis, but the proportion of civilians amongst the palestinians is about 70% to 80% whereas the overwhelming number of israeli casualties are military so the world is piling on the pressure because they cannot stand it. however, of course, it does seem that hamas is the holdout on the cease-fire. and i spoke to the justice minister livni yesterday, the lead israeli negotiator for the now defunct peace process, and she said, look, we want, and as you know very well, wolf, and the audience knows, the israelis agreed for a few hours to the previous cease-fire that the egyptians tried to broker and hamas didn't. i was struck by your conversation with prime minister benjamin netanyahu when you asked him if they now axree to a cease-fire will you agree and he seemed to say, well, you know,

we've got to attack these tunnels and that's the message now from israel, that these tunnels have to be attacked so can secretary kerry do what president obama says which is a cease-fire right now? that is what we're going to see after his trip to jerusalem where you are, wolf. >> he should be here i suspect sometime later today. thanks very much. by the way, the israeli military says of those palestinians who were killed, 170 or 180 are hamas militants, the israeli military assessment. let's go back to new york with kate and john. >> thanks so much. keeping an eye on both of those big fronts and international stories. let's take a look at the other headlines we're keeping an eye on. >> a body found last month has been identified as suspected owner of the south korean ferry that sank back in april. south korean police used dna to identify the badly decomposed remains of yoo byung-eun, a manhunt on for yoo after he did not show up for questioning by prosecutors in connection with that ferry accident.

calling out the guard. texas governor rick perry announcing plans to send as many 1,000 texas national guard troops to the mexican border saying he's grown tired of lip service, as he calls it, from the federal government in dealing with the influx of central american children. the white house says the number of children apprehended at the border has dropped sharply this month to about 150 daily. three teens in new mexico are facing murder charges this morning for allegedly beating to death two homeless men in albuquerque. police say the men's bodies were so badly disfigured they have yet to be identified. the teens allegedly used cinder blocks, bricks and a metal fence pole in that attack. police say the teens may also be linked to a number of other attacks on homeless people in recent months. new this morning, concerns that the middle east respiratory syndrome or mers virus could be transmitted through the air, not just through close physical contact. in a new study saudi scientists

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welcome back to "new day," everyone. who do americans think is responsible for the downing of m malaysian flight 17? a new cnn poll believe 8 in 10 believe russia is directly or indirectly involved in the crash so how do americans think the u.s. should involve if russia is to blame? that's where the republicans come in. let's turn to republican commentator margaret hoover and john avlon, editor of "the daily beast." >> good morning. >> good morning, guys. >> it shows kind of not a surprise the public sentiment is that russia is probably

involved, and if involved, they are probably going to cover it up. that's where public sentiment is in the cnn poll, but we thought it was interesting when you look at if russia is found to be responsible how should the united states act. it showed that 71% talked about -- 71% said that they supported economic and diplomatic sanctions, diplomatic means over military or no action at all that. really speaks to where the public is right now. >> yeah, and dove tails with the president's approach so far. that needs to be said. come under a lot of criticism for his tone and the geopolitical meltdown in many regards, but that line seems to be pretty much in line with the american people and american people got it right in terms of who is to blame here. 52% say russia is indirectly involved, ding, ding, ding. >> you hear people criticize the president, john mccain and lindsey graham talking about what the president has done and not done in the issues surrounding ukraine in the conflict. it is interesting to see that 72%

72%% land where he is right now. >> it's a first step. diplomatic and economic sanctions is a first step. samantha powers seen more of a realist, pacifist on the side had very tough language, extremely tough, probably tougher than any other nation represented at the security council. i think americans have it right. what really matters here though is how the europeans respond. we can have economic sanctions with russia, but we are a very -- we are a didare a de mi amount of their gdp. >> maybe i -- maybe i'm not reading the right stuff. >> yeah. >> but so far on this i have not seen what i would think would be the typical kind of partisan reaction to taking a world event, even if it is a tragedy, the poll numbers don't matter a darn thing to the people who lost family members, of course,

but often jump on this to take an opportunity to really criticize the president by and large for his timid foreign policy or somehow linking this to the obama administration action. i haven't seen that yet. am i missing something? >> i haven't steen. >> some of the wing nuts have said that president obama's responsible for this to the extent that he created an environment that putin felt he could arm rebels with impunity. attan west said that. >> that will come later? >> i think there's a natural human decent reaction to try not to politicize dead bodies. >> thankfully we have some human decency there. we haven't quite crossed that threshold. but there is the rumblings you hear overall about the president's leadership with regard to american assertive leadership abroad and that's against the backdrop of american people weary of foreign wars. >> let's talk about israel. demonstrations all around the world, in europe especially, against the israeli action in gaza right now but in the same polling we're talking about right now we asked the american people what they thought about

israel's actions in gaza, and a majority say they are justified. now, the american people perhaps maybe not as supportive of israel as they may have been 10, 20, 30 years ago but that's still a pretty sizable majority. >> i think in the wake of 9/11 frankly americans have a very strong understanding for needing to secure your country and for needing to defend yourself against radical jihadism so when you have civilians and tunnels being dug from gaza into a sovereign country and you have insurgents coming into your country and invading your property, americans understand the need to defend yourself and defend your borders. that's just a very basic understanding americans have, you know, and it's sad. it's tragic that hamas is frankly using civilians as propaganda in this war, and frankly i think that's probably why you've seen a drop in fav

favorability towards israel. i think the propaganda war works frankly. >> i want to get your take on that. taking that all together by and large, two huge international crises facing president obama. at the same time he's heading out west for fund-raisers. now, these headlines we've seen before. sticking to his travel plans at risk of looking bad. obama keeps fund-raising schedule through world events. is this fair criticism to be coming at the president? >> fair criticism to the sense that it's typical criticism. president bush was criticized for fund-raising during crises, and the white house response was, well, it's more difficult to disrupt the president's schedule. >> we can walk and chew gum at the same time and the backdrop of a mid-term election. >> as john pointed out, he can do both. should he? >> right. politics is perception and when there's a question about assertive american leadership you can see why people say, look, just because you're going to give a fund-raiser in florida and give remarks for five minutes ahead about a world crisis, that seems tonally off,

and that's a credible criticism, but you've got to pull back and keep in mind this is the kind of situational ethics you see in partisan politics. >> does send a signal when the president stops his events and comes back to the white house, connotes a serious event. either way he can handle it either way. >> democratic presidents, republican presidents, the whole world watches every word and every action spoken so little gestures can matter a whole lot. that goes for democrats and republicans. >> the white house did say if -- if he's needed back at the white house, if he -- to handle this, needs to be back at the white house we can change our travel plans, so they do point that out. >> great to have you guys here. >> good morning. great to be here. >> welcome back. >> coming up next on nude yarks remains of many flight 17 victims, they are now on their very long journey out of the conflict zone. people who love them are

desperate for answers and desperate to get them home. a look at what life has been like for the mh17 families. we're going to be live from ukraine. >> plus, former secretary of state madeline al bright who joins us now with her perspective on russia's role in the mh17 disaster. also, does she see any hope for an end to the bloodshed in the middle east? stay with us. [announcer] play close-good and close.

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we're live here at the crash site of mh17 in eastern ukraine. we're putting up the breaking news banner because we've just had the most sustained longest

and most violent sounding shelling we've heard since we've been here. we're told by military nearby it's less than ten kilometers from the site right now. it's a place that has been a hot zone of fighting. might have been rockets. might have been artillery. whatever it was, it was loud and forceful even here. now this goes to the context of what prout mh17 down. it also goes to the feeling of insecurity that will shape what gets done here to figure out the answers on the ground. the malaysians are here right now with the asce doing their first check of the crash scene. this does not help matters in terms of breeding security. we will keep you up to date on what's going on as this shelling continues. however, there are other developments as well. a train overnight left donetsk and made it to a place called kharkhiv. this is very important for families. why? the bodies are on that train.

we don't know how many. you're hearing numbers, 282, 275. the osce, dutch authorities have not been able to count the bodies because of the conditions they are held in and the difficulty of being near them and getting it done but now they will be able to. now they will be able to dna test and most importantly they will be able to put bodies in coffins. that may sound small in the context of me telling there's ongoing warfare but to the families that bit of dignity will mean so. also on the plane the black boxes that will hopefully download some information. won't tell us who did this and why and will give us more information and is a step in the right direction. for us here on the ground your focus is not about the boxes, is not about the overlying politics of the conflict. it's about the families and what's been lost because those were 292 innocent people who had no role in anything going on here. >> as the bodies of 282 victims

finally began their long journey home, now precious possessions left forgotten in a pile on the platform. from the instant mh17 was destroyed fathers and mothers and daughters and sons have been disrespected. pawns in a political game, their bodies left to rot in the hot ukrainian son for days. >> when you see these white flags, every one of them, these little pieces of ribbon crudely placed, that's where a body was or still is. >> they are unlikely guardians, early on more interested in showing force than compassion. >> the reason i'm keeping my voice down is because of respect for what this situation is and respect for the people who are in control. very volatile people and they are using their weapons and firing in the air. >> even now as the world screams its outrage it does little leaving families of the dead

across the world making the plea. >> bring my son home. i can do nothing but wait. brice was on the plane with his girlfriend and now they will be buried together. >> andre angel was a 24-year-old medical student headed for vacation just before em17 took off. his sister sent him a text. >> i said please be safe, kiddo. i love you. i hope he saw it. i just want him to come home. >> what do you want to tell the rebels who are controlling that crash site? >> flight attendant sanjay samdu

wasn't supposed to be aboard em17 except for a last-minute shift swap. >> i would like to appeal to them, beg them if they happen to find my son's body, please release it. they may have their fight, let them fight as they want but be human. >> lives taken in mid-air, dignity taken the moment they crashed into a battlefield controlled by a self-appointed prime minister. he says he was told to leave the dead in the sun uncovered for days by international monitors. the monitors say this is untrue. as the train pulled off despite both sides calling for cease-fire fighting resumed nearby. ukrainian fighter jets rocketing rebel targets, a reminder of who cost 298 innocents their lives. the shelling, the insensitive and the lack of dignity, that's the worst of it, but also this morning we saw the local villagers just quickly show,

they gathered with local priests. they were christians and had their heads covered praying for those who were lost here, praying that there are answers about who did this. john, as i bring it back to you, you've been in situations of conflict before. you know what it's like, but for these families who had nothing to do with this, 298 people, have just crash landed in the middle of a battle. it made an almost impossible situation something that now they don't even know when they will be start to get answers for themselves and the faster that happens, at least some people will get solace. >> there hasn't been the opportunity to mourn the way that these families deserve for their loved ones who as you say were simply caught in the middle of something they have no involvement in. thanks, chris, so much. a lot else going on in the world right now. >> certainly is. back to our top story. appreciate the personal look at this, the victims and the families. hear are the headlines. in the middle east overnight more air strikes and ground assaults killing civilians and soldiers. there are reports a hospital in gaza was shelled killing five

people. and the israeli military says a kindergarten was struck by a rocket fired from gaza. luckily no one was inside at the time of that. as the death toll rises rapidly in the conflict, president obama says the u.s. would provide $47 million in humanitarian assistance to the region. former new england patriot star aaron hernandez expected back in court for a status hearing in his 2013 murder case. this case could determine whether the patriots will have to turn over scouting reports on the former tight end, including a psychological profile. the patriots have resisted efforts by defense lawyers. hernandez has pleaded not guilty to three murders. copies of former irs official lois lerner's e-mails once deemed lost forever might actually be retrievable. that's what an irs lawyer appeared to indicate in a closed house hearing last month according to republican congressman darryl isafe. seems to contradict testimony by irs commissioner john koskinan

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. we're live at the crash site of mh17 in eastern ukraine. the suicides are actively fighting right now within ten kilometers. we've been hearing very heavy artillery shelling. that is a reminder of the conflict that has to be resolved here and then behind us the crash site itself a reminder of how much there is still to do and how time is of the essence, so what do we do to get this investigated? what do we do to stop the conflict? can we do anything. a few people better to have this

discussion with than madeleine albright, former secretary of state, former ambassador to the u.n. madam secretary, you could not be better credentialed to have this discussion. thank you for joining us. let's begin with the specific tragedy. mh17 had no role in this conflict. was certainly brought down, crashed in the middle of a battle field. what can be done to get more international experts on the ground to investigate before any chance of making a strong case for what happened disappears? >> your reporting on the individuals is so moving and really makes the tragedy even clearer in that innocents are completely tied up in what is one of the most disgusting discussions that i've heard in terms of the lies that are being put forward by president putin and the propaganda that the russians are putting out about this. i think that what has to happen is the investigators do have to get in there as quickly as possible. the security council has passed a resolution to that effect. we need to make available all

the information that we have on all of this and keep pushing and then also there has to be additional action by the europeans who are meeting today in terms of raising the level of sanctions and matching those that president obama has already put on. >> you've heard about the bodies. there's really no reason to go back into that. it's given enough pain to the families and loved ones already, but i have to tell you, madam secretary, villagers are collecting parts of this plane and piling it up in front of their homes, literally picking them out of their gardens. this is not the way this is to be conducted and you know what will half. over time they will say, well, you can't really tell what happened. we don't really have the plane. should the united states be more active in actually physically being here? should the u.n. by now have a presence on the ground other than leaving it all to the usce

which is a great organization, but they are not in the business of investigating crash sites? what more actions should have happened yesterday? >> i do think there needs to be a larger international presence there. unfortunately, we have too much knowledge of things like this. some of the massacres that took place during the war in the balkans where we were in fact able to get agreement to be able to go in and make sure that these horrible fields are properly guarded, and i think that there does have to be additional pressure, and the u.n., as i said, does have a security council resolution. i do think it would be important to get some international forces in there in order to make sure that this tragic field is not desecrated even further, but the issues here are that a lot of it, as you have reported, has already disappeared. it's interesting to see what the black boxes say, but the bottom line is i do think that the u.s. needs to publicly present the information that we have.

frankly, i did this during the tragedy in srebrenica. i brought in information to the security council and showed it. the same thing when the cubans shot down the unarmed cuban-american planes. we have to provide the information so that putin's lies are not the ones dominating the propaganda. >> okay. so madam secretary, let's give every assumption in favor of what the united states thinks happened here. even if all of that is true, can you name me two things that the united states or the international community could do to russia that would change the disposition of vladimir putin in terms of how he's conducting himself here horin syria or in the other international situations where he seems to be a chalk in the wheel of progress? >> what has to keep happening is tightening the screws in terms

of u.n. sanctions and resolutions. he does not want to be fully isolated, and that is what is happening. his economy is not in good shape in the first place, and we have to make clear, we also need to shame and blame publicly and perhaps begin some kind of a procedure that takes us to the international criminal court. these are war crimes. the bottom line though is we have to keep putting the truth out there, but it's not easy. there's no question. the other thing that i do think i have to do if we keep forget begun if i might say so, this is a horror, and there's no word that describes it properly, but we also have to remember that ukraine itself needs help. we need to help the ukrainian military but we also need to help the ukrainian economy. they have a new president who needs to put his country back in shape. this is a very large country of over 40 million people, the largest landmass in europe, and we have to make sure that it can

survive what are just horrendous conditions. >> and there's no question about that, madam secretary. a lot of the people where we are right now wish they were not under the control of the local militias, but ukraine's government is not strong enough to help them. they certainly do need outside help. thank you for your perspective. unfortunately, this is not the only situation that demands your attention. wolf blitzers, of course is in israel following the situation there, again, another escalating situation, another matter for international intervention. wolf, please, fake the conversation. >> chris, thank you very much. madam secretary, there's a horror story going on here as well, as you well know. more than 2,000 hamas rockets and missiles have come into israel. there are now these underground tunnels from gaza into israel, infiltrators getting through there. brutal battles. israel has launched major, major not only air and land strikes,

and a lot of palestinians have died in the process, many of them children and civilians. so here's the question. what can the united states, what should the united states do about it? >> well, i think that secretary kerry is doing everything that he can. he's in cairo. the point here is there has to be some kind of a cease-fire, a cease-fire that hamas has to accept because in the past prime minister netanyahu has accepted times of cease-fire, an it's i do think that the point has to be made that if rockets are being shot at israel that israel has a right to defend itself. but the question is of bottom proportionality. and we frankly know, you do, wolf, there has to be a way that palestine is recognized. that there's a two-state solution. that the various points that

have been put on the table are met. we do care about the security of israel but it cannot have the security if there's not a two-state solution. and i think secretary kerry has done an amazing job in pushing but ultimately it has to be the political will of the parties to bring this to the table, but now there has to be a cease-fire. >> are you suggesting, madam secretary, that the israelis are overreacting to the provocations, missiles and rockets coming in? are they going too far when you use the word proportionality? >> i do think it is hard to watch the number of palestinians being killed, innocence. it is hard to dispute the fact that as prime minister netanyahu has said, in fact there are innocents being put in the way in order to act as shields, but the bottom line is i think this is hurting israel's moral authority. i do think that it looks as though they are overdoing, which

is why i think there has to be more emphasis on the fact that they have accepted the cease-fire. and then try to figure out who has any influence over hamas in order to get them to accept a cease-fire. they say they will not accept them until the rockets stop and to them that's the only way to stop everything, to have a cease-fire. >> i look back on your days of secretary of state under president clin to. you guys were very close to a two-state decision between the palestinians and israelis, unfortunately not close enough and we see the results happening since then. madam, secretary, thanks as usual for joining us. >> thank you, wolf, for being there. >> back to kate in new york. very important from what we heard there on both fronts. thank you very much. coming up next on "new day," a new poll shows many americans believe that russia is directly

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begun the long trek home. and the black boxes are in the hands of investigators. new accusations and new fighting making getting answers for grieving families even harder. i'm wolf blitzer in jerusalem. secretary of state john kerry is in cairo. can he stop the bloodshed? the violence escalating. 27 israeli soldiers killed and the death toll for palestinians now approaching 600. and new video, israel bombing hamas fighters inside israel. we're live with the latest. a special edition of "new day" continues right now. >> here in eastern ukraine, not too long ago, not too far away, less than ten kilometers, very heavy shelling going on. we are not sure if it was rockets or just heavy artillery, but the two sides are fighting and it is close. and that's going to hamper efforts for the malaysians and

dutch to monitor the situation and finally start collecting some facts on the ground. however there, is some progress to report as well. we'll bring you news from eastern ukraine in just a moment, but first back to john berman and kate baldoun in new york. the death toll is rising on both sides. wolf blitzer has the latest from jerusalem, but first russian president vladimir putin speaking out denouncing criticism over the shootdown of mh-17. according to reuters, he says he will push rebels to help in the investigation. he's also calling on western powers to call on ukraine to end the fighting in the east. >> interesting. now, more sanctions could be on the way for russia despite denials of any role in the takedown of flight 17. european foreign ministers are meeting in bus zells to continue travel bands, asset freezes and other restrictions while this is

happening. some signs of high velocity shrapnel were found on the wreckage according to "the new york times" that could say the supersonic missile used by the russians exploded near the jet. this raises more questions about the chain of custody and the evidence and the debris in the field surrounding chris cuomo that for three or four days investigators could not get onto. chris? >> reporter: that piece of material disappears. what happens if it disappears? what happens if the shrapnel marks are no longer here because the scene is not secure? that's so frustrating about the situation and for all the talks about banning russia in different ways. and calling for ways on the ground to get people back in, but the security situation makes that more different. for the negativity here, we have a cause for progress.

a train left last night for donetsk. the bodies were on the train. they are now in another city and something is set up where dutch authorities can do dna testing and start the process of identification. they have not been able to verify the count of bodies yet, so this is the first time. and also symbolism. they will be able to transfer the bodies into cautions. that may not seem like a big deal, but it will to those who lost their lives here. the black boxes are also on that train and being transferred to investigators so see what they hold. however, most experts say black boxes are not the answer to this situation and the mystery of who did this and why. this is not mh-370, this is mh-17. barbara starr is at the pentagon with more intelligence on what may have happened to send this plane crashing into a battlefield. barbara? >> reporter: good morning, chris. we are now getting the first

look, the first map provided by the u.s. government of what it says the thrajectory is what yo see here is the trajectory of this event overlaid to commercially labeled satellite imagery. we'll take a look. what you see is the flight path coming to the southeast from the north traveling southeast. the yellow line is flight 17. coming up from the south, from a town in ukraine, you see the trajectory of the missile. you then see -- if we can hone in on that to the middle of the screen, you see the point of impact and where the plane fell to the ground. one thing the u.s. says is this is the radar and satellite analysis of the trajectory of

the flight of the plane, the flight of the -- right center in your screen, the point at which it fell to the ground. it is classified on high it have te high-tech analysis. this is the u.s. view of what happened. chris, this does not tell us who pulled the trigger or punched the put top, but in talking to our forces that is most difficult to answer. many of them hold a russian sit shen ship. many believe they traveled across the border into russia. did they push the launch button or were they involved in the lawn ch? that's still very much the unanswered question.

chris? >> barbara, thank you very much for the reporting in advancing the information involved. now we'll bring in senator john mckay. thank you for joining us on "new day." as you know, i'm in eastern ukraine. we have intelligence highly suggestive. the point of analysis here is to say if it's possible that russia was involved but let me suggest this, senator. why do they have to be involved? these missile systems have been in and around the soviet union block in ukraine since the 70s. there are plenty of gray hair warriors in place here who know how they work. is there a chance that russia had no temporary involvement and did nothing right now. >> that's impossible, chris, because the separatists are russians and the russians are separatists. we know they intercepted communications. we know that it takes training

in order to operate this particular system and we know that it was russia is that -- they started this in the first place. did the kgb push the button? that would be nice to know, but is this the cause of vladimir putin who and exed crimea and who is the cause of all this? and whether it was actually a russian or not frankly is not too vital in our deciding that vladimir putin is a kgb colonel that is an international pariah in my view and should be treated as such. >> caller: okay. so let's get to the big question, what are you going to do about it, senator? because it does not seem that

vladimir putin is afraid of the u.s. at all. so for all the talk, what can be done? >> first of all, he has every reason not to fear everything we have done so far. it's been less than slap of the wrist for the annexation of land by a power in europe. so he has nothing to worry about so much. and i'm not convinced that the europeans will actually do much, but if we serious or the helicopters are out there, they are going to name sanctions. but the europeans won't do that and you need to get energy independence and maybe they will show backbone. but in the short-term, they are not going to and the united states is not leading.

the president of the united states should be out there on national television pointing the finger where it belongs and telling the american people who is responsible. then i think you would get a positive response from the american people. >> do you really think it is fair to say that? president obama spoke yesterday to say we need to clear the way for the investigation. he hasn't been silent about it but the question is what can he do about it? >> first of all, we should lead on sanctions and the president should be saying exactly what i just told you, that this is the fault of vladimir putin and vladimir putin will be held responsible. that should be his opening statement and comment instead of, well, maybe they have to clear it up. they have to clear it up because they caused it. so the whole idea here is that vladimir putin is literally getting away with murder. and i mean literally. and we are doing little in

responr respon response. i think we have to do everything that we can to take care of the loved ones in the terrible tragedy that's taken place, but for us not to point the finger of blame exactly where it belongs, there's ample, overwhelming evidence. and not only because of this particular act, but because of vladimir putin's continued aggression a aggression in ukraine. the next thing we aught to do, by the way is to give weapons to you crain so they can defend themselves. people are stunned when i tell them that we refuse to give the ukrainians weapons to defend themselves while their country is being dismembered or bombarded. >> one more question on vladimir putin with the situation going on on the ground. we are seeing reporting coming from reuters, the news agency, and i will just read it. the quote from vladimir putin in speaking with security and defense chiefs. he said this at the top of the meeting, that russia was going

to use its influence over the separatists to push for a full investigation into the downing of mh-17. here's what he said, senator. we are being called on to use our influence with the separatists in southeastern ukraine. we of course will do everything in our power, but that is not nearly enough. i mean, simple question, do you believe him? >> of course not. he's the one that said that the people who invaded crimea bougt weapons from local stores. there's nothing from him to be believed or from within ukraine when it is his people. kate, it is his people who are in there that i guarantee trained these people. whether it is actually a russian military person who pushed the button or not, they had to train these people for a period of time to make them capable of lawn ching this system. and the whole scenario was shown

up by vladimir due tip putin. >> you said something really interesting to chris a moment ago. you said if we were serious about vladimir putin and the ukraine, the french would stop selling vessels to russia. but i'm not the french, how do you get the europeans to step up and do something here since so much of what you seem to be the solution here depends on them doing something they have shown no inclination to do so, so far. >> first of all, i was talking about whether our european allies will do something serious, which i do not believe they will. unfortunately, i'm rather confident that they will not. so what i'm talking is about the

effects on the economy. and the other is that the united states has to lead. so that -- if we don't lead, then the europeans will not follow. but we have to help and we can within two years, we just did a study and a perception on the floor of the senate. we can have the europeans energy independent within two to three years to change the entire scenario of their relationship with russia. right now i have some sympathy for them dependent on russian energy. otherwise it gets very cold this winter in some european capitals. >> okay. it's wolf in jerusalem. i want to ask you a quick question on what's happening between israel and hamas, but just to follow-up briefly. i seem to recall after this crisis in ukraine erupted, the u.s. posted sanctions against some pals and president putin restricting travel to the united states, correct me if i'm wrong,

they retaliated by putting you on one of the sanctions list, is that right? and if they did, how has that impacted your life? >> it has wrecked my life. i was unable to have a spring break in siberia. it's been a terribly traumatic experience for me but i'll get over it. >> i'm sure you will. we'll talk about israel and hamas. i'm not sure if you heard the interview with madeline albright, but she says israel has the right to defend itself but thought that israel was maybe engaging in disproportionate retaliation saying this is hurting israel's moral authority. she used that word, proportionality. do you agree with her? >> i'm afraid i don't. i think the sooner they take out the tunnels, as soon as they neutralize the rockets as much to cure their safety is more likely the time that this thing is going to come to an end. wolf, this is -- we can't have a

tit for tat kind of thing. it's very obviously the palestinians are using human shields in many respects in order to protect the areas they are launching the rockets from. and obviously the israelis are the exact opposite. i think the sooner that we neutralize the rockets and the super the israelis are able to eliminate the tunnels is the sooner the people will be relived in some security. i keep asking my arizona fellow citizens. how would we feel if somebody was launching rockets across the border. i'm not sure they would show restraint. >> if hamas were to say, we're going to stop launching rockets into israel. we want a cease-fire. do you think israel should accept the 'cease-fire or go ahead and finish the job and then talk about the cease-fire.

>> i think you have to accept the cease-fire. ideally, i would love to see this taken care of, but a cease-fire -- i think that moral equivalency is out there, which is tragic. and the fact that the more anti-israel public opinion is fermented, particularly in european capitals, it is in all of our interest to see it end. but to see it end in having to be making sure that the rockets are not landing on israeli soil. >> more than 200 rockets have been launched from gaza into israel and israel responded ferociously. thank you, very much, for joining us. don't plan any spring break trip s to russia any time soon.

senator, thank you very much. >> maybe i could see some of our old russian interrogators. >> what do you mean, when you were a p.o.w.? >> i never saw a russian interrogator, i was only kidding. >> all right. i just wanted to be precise. senator, thank you very much. back to new york. >> senator mccain. the only way senator mccain can say it. coming up next on "new day," the death toll is rising. right now secretary of state john kerry is looking to broker a cease-fire between israel and hamas. we'll talk to zakeed coming up with the latest. thank you! thank you!

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welcome back to "new day." we continue our developing situation on the ground in eastern ukraine. some progress to report on the ground there. the bodies of the victims starting their slow journey back home as the train was able to leave the rebel-controlled area. and also the rebels on the ground there handing over the black boxes as they have been in a cat and mouse game on that for days now. so there's some developments there, but still no answers, no concrete answers how the plane was shot down and who was behind it all. those answers continue of course and who is really responsible for all of this. we'll continue that part of the conversation with our own fareed

zakaria. i would like to get your take on what we heard from senator mccain just now in our interview saying that the united states needs to do more. the united states needs to lead more but the president has not done enough in terms of leading and the european allies will follow. he also thinks that the united states and allies need to offer arms, offer weapons to you crain in order to regain control of the situation on the ground. what do you make of it? >> i listened closely and thought it was unfortunate. there's always a tradition in the united states. when you have a serious international crisis of some degree of bipartisanship, and what struck me about what senator mccain was saying is it seemed needlessly partisan. he said president obama should lead he said to you guys and name putin specifically and hold him responsible. president obama stood outside the white house yesterday and said, putin is responsible.

he's the person with the most direct control. he and russia can do something about it. the united states should lead with sanctions and then follow. this has prompted the europeans to do more as it will this week. so, yes, there are areas where the united states could do better, but it would help in our dealings with the allies, with the russians, if the president seemed to be speaking for the count country. what struck me is this is one of the unending rangles in washington. >> we'll talk about the politics surrounding them because things have happened over the last 12 to 24 hours. the black boxes have been turned over from the pro-russian rebels and the bodies moved out of the

region with investigators on the site. but you have statements from vladimir putin saying the world has been pressuring him. is this what it looks like when vladimir putin is conciliatory? is this to him an extent of him caving a little bit? >> he's on the defensive already making concessions. i'm sure he was reluctant to make the pro-russian rebels in the ukraine have given the ground and allowed the site to be able to cease control of many of the areas of the country that they have lost control in. and putin is not fighting back. he's not resupplying the rebels

as far as we can tell. >> do you think that it is smart for ukraine to be taking this opportunity while they are still trying to move the bodies out of there. to be shelling to gape control of the area. >> this is a moment where russia is not doing something and then takes control. he will not allow the you yukri government for taking control, but then he blames them after the crash to say it is your t h tech -- who know what is mr. putin's reaction would be?

but you're seeing a conciliatory putin who is on the defense. >> this is not a guy who says he's sorry but this might get what he wants. when i met with putin, i'm struck that he's an aggressive, tense guy that leans forward, he was dazed and seemed different. you still have the same chip on his shoulder. the west is tapping into a sense of russian encirclement. and that's part of the reason with all that's going on, his popularity hasn't gone down moisture in russia. >> the propaganda battle is a human part of this. so putin can live in an

alternate universe in terms of what they are being told. chris? >> reporter: thank you, kate. i think i'm standing in front of the great equalizer. you are not going to win the political battle. fareed's perspective is spot on. this kind of rangling has gone on since the forensics of it and the indisputable nature of what experts can glean from it, this is beyond politics. that has 298 souls attached to it that did nothing to anyone. they were innocent. and that's one of the frustrating things here and the international community. while this lies here and the man out there right now is not a monitor. that's one of the problems here is that anybody can just trains

through this scene. the longer it is this way, fareed, is this the key and lock down the investigation before it's too late to have real proof of innocence being killed in a conflict and being here. >> it will probably be spurred by the humanitarian nature of this crisis. when the public sees and understands what happened to these innocent. so many of them come from one country. think about holland this morning, a small nation of almost 200 of their citizens killed. if it moves the dutch to go into the councils of nato and ask for a stronger response, we might

begin to see a turning of the tide and in a longer term sense, do we really want to be satellites of energy so energy dependent on the expansion in this country? that is where you will begin to see a lasting change. it will not come from the high politics of obama showing leadership but from the sense of the european public that this had been a wake-up call. the investigation becomes crucial because it will establish without a shadow of death what happened where you are. >> time is fleeting and memories are short. while the bodies travel home, it will give closure to the families and also start to create that gap in time of concern of the media. things will move on and hopefully opportunity is not

lost. we appreciate your time, fareed. wolf blitzer is on the ground in jerusalem. secretary kerry is also in the region working for a cease-fire. is there hope for peace? thank ythank you for defendiyour sacrifice. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. now get the unmistakable thrill... and the incredible rush... of the mercedes-benz you've always wanted. ♪ [ tires screech ] but you better get here fast... [ daughter ] yay, daddy's here! here you go, honey. thank you.

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all right. here are the five things you need to know for your new day. the remains of most of the mh-17 victims have arrived after days of being in rebel-controlled eastern ukraine. the first train carrying the bodies are expected to return to the netherlands tomorrow. in the mideast, the bloody strike between hamas and gaza have killed 26 israelis. they are working to broker a cease-fire deal with john kerry. and remains identified last month are the suspected owner of the south korean ferry that sank

back in april killing more than 300. the man had been wanted for questioning in the sinking of that ferry. and governor rick perry will send as many as 1,000 texas national guard troops to the border to deal with the influx of children and families crossing illegally into the united states. several border leaders expressed concern over this plan. and a new study says they find fragments of the deadly mers virus near the air of camels suggesting it could be transmitted through the air and not just through physical contact. those are your five things to know. go to newdaycnn.com for the latest. now to wolf blitzer live on the ground in jerusalem as we watch the death toll on both sides continue to rise. wolf? it certainly is rising in the middle east with the death toll not only continuing to rise on the hamas side in gaza but also on the israeli side as well, even as diplomats try to

push forward with some efforts for a cease-fire. the secretary of state john kerry is in cairo right now. he's meeting with local leaders there among others. he's trying to work behind the scenes for some sort of cease-fire between israel and hamas. seven israeli soldiers were killed monday. efforts to identify one of those israeli soldiers continuing as we speak right now. earlier this morning gaza city experienced a violent blast after an apparent israeli strike. the barrage coming from gaza into israel but still continues even as we speak. carl penthouse is joining us from gaza with more on what he's seeing and hearing. >> reporter: wolf, overnight and through the morning we have heard a steady barrage both coming from the navy gun boats off the coast there and also on gaza's eastern artillery tanks

there. we are looking to see what looks to be controlled explosions. i wonder if that's the israeli military getting to some of the tunnel complexes and carrying out controlled explosions. so there are a couple of figures to bring the intensity of the fighting home to me for the last few years. and the palestine yap health ministry is saying since midnight, so over the last 16 hours or so, close to 50 palestinians have been killed. and now the united nations is saying that more than 100,000 palestinians are now hunkering down in schools as these people are seeking refuge from the intense fighting. this is according to the united nations. more than 600 are dead now and more than 3700 wounded. according to the united nations, between 70% and 80% of those are civilians. certainly there's no sign of a let-up but we'll take a look at

what's going on. overnight, more bloodshed on both sides of the israel/gaza border. close to 6 to 0 palestinians killed, 600 palestinians killed in raids like this one in gaza city. on the other side, at least 27 israeli soldiers now dead. despite the rising death toll, israel is pushing ahead with protective edge. this video of israeli forces battling hamas militants inside israel. the hamas fighters stealthily entered israel through an underground tunnel on monday. night vision video released by the israeli military shows the militants reportedly sneaking in. israel responds with a targeted air strike. ten hamas fighters killed according to israel. this morning u.s. secretary of state john kerry is in cairo with u.n. secretary general ban ki moon to push the cease-fire

effort forward. and the u.s. is extending $47 million in humanitarian aid to gaza. as the warfare rages on, lebanon's militant group hezbollah reached out to hamas voicing support for israel's other border. a suggestion perhaps israel may now have to worry about a second front. since we were in that report, there's an uptick in artillery fire that seems to be coming from the eastern parts of gaza. we are unclear right now what the targets may be. the other thing we are keeping our eyes closely on is the fate of that soldier the israeli military is saying they are trying to identify but also to determine his status. this is same soldier that hamas' military says they captured. and if that is true, then hamas is surely likely to use him as political and military leverage.

>> karl there in gaza, be careful over there. as we constantly say, kate and john, one other note, the state department put up a travel advisory to this part of the world urging americans to avoid non-essential travel to israel and the west bank and certainly under all means to avoid travel to gaza. >> taking on a whole new meaning in light of the events happening around the world right now. thank you so much. coming up next on "new day" as the flight investigation to flight 17 gets underway, how will the pro-russian rebels cooperate with the team of investigators trying to get in? and the plane's black boxes have been turned over to investigators, but what can these investigators really learn from them? and what are the chances that the boxes have not been tampered with? ♪

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welcome back to "new day." many nations have been quick to point the finger at pro-russian rebels for shooting down mh-17. but proving it is a different matter. is the outrage enough to really slow the rebels in ukraine? joining us now to discuss this, cnn counter terrorism analyst phillip mud, thank you for being with us. my question to you is it took four days for the pro-russian rebels to finally really hand over control of this crash scene, the black boxes, not to mention the bodies. what could they have done if covering things up was their intention? what could they have covered up within the four days? >> for example, i think one of the things they would have been

looking to do was to find evidence on the field where the plane went down that suggests that shrapnel hit the plane, for example. but in terms of the quantity of information on the ground, we are already seeing plane reports showing shrapnel. removing that quantity of material that showed residue on clothes. that could be difficult. my guess is over the coming days that the clamps on the rebels and putin will slowly tighten in addition to the black boxes as well. >> phillip, at the same time, u.s. officials are now saying their intelligence analysts are looking at all available evidence is how they are putting it to see if russians are directly involved. if they were at the lawn ch site or even operated, the missile. how do you look into that? >> boy, that's going to be a story to take a long time to figure out. you're not only trying to figure out where the battery was and whether it was battery sly or missile supply by the russians, but trying to find out if

individuals were there. what you are going to do is look at tiny pieces of intelligence, what kind of communications there were between batteries, the russians and the rebels across the borders, but over time you want access to those in the opposition to say, what did you see happen? what did you hear? and that may take months or years. >> getting access to them as well has not been easy as the fight continues. let's go to chris on the ground in ukraine. chris? >> reporter: well, we have been getting access to them. villagers are coming up to us showing what they have collected and what they have saw. they are eager to help here. many don't like to be under control of the militia, but let me ask you this, the self-designated prime minister had a huge circus media turning over the black positions and got a protocol sign showing he's the rightful leader here. my question is, are the black boxes and turning them over, was that better for him or better for the investigation? >> i think it is better for the

investigation. i think you'll see an interesting question come up in the next one, three, five days, and that is this information, there's no reason the information on the black boxes can't become public. in my experience at the cia, there's also no reason why some of the imagery data, the photos, for example, of the launch equipment, why some of the intercepted communications like the communications that the ukrainians have talked about, why you can't put that together in a package with black box information and start to make a public case. if i were sitting at cia right now, i would have a team to say get ready for the president coming to us to say, if the black box shows this was not an accident on the plane, let's put it together with the other stuff we know and make the publication to the world. >> phillip, when you look at past investigations of plane crashes on ground, by and large, how do you think this investigation has to be different now because not only has it been days since investigators, before

investigators are really getting in there but also the fact that everyone says this has been tampered with and picked over? >> our bar for cooperation has been pretty low compared to the standard of investigation. we are getting low cooperation. one of the standards is the cooperation of intelligence to add to the standard criminal investigation. you're looking at the field and looking at shrapnel. you're looking at conversations with people who are at the scene. but the quantity of information about what was going on with the missile battery from overhead satellites, from communications intercepts is remarkable. remember, the u.s. intelligence committee has collected against russia and before that the soviet union for decades. this is our bread and putter in the intelligence community. and i have to believe the picture inside the intelligence word is pretty clear at this point. >> phillip, great to have you with us to talk about this. coming up, we'll focus on

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are providing clues as to what brought down the plane. is the damage consistent with a hit from a nuke missile system or consistent with something else? we'll discuss with safety and list david sussey. to an untrained eye like myself, it looks like a wrecked plane, but what are investigators going to hone in on? what does it look consistent with? >> there are two critical clues in this, and this one is right here where you can see here and here, but this is very important because if you look at the line, if this was from the boot missile, which it appears to be that it was, because this is input. this is debris from the outside of the aircraft coming in. if this were a missile or bomb on board or explosion from inside the aircraft, we wouldn't see this type of thing.

the only type of skin damage was in sioux city in 1982 with an uncontained engine fire. >> so these are indicators. for lack of a better term, is this a smoking gun that this is -- i think it's called a fragmenting warhead is how it is described. it explodes near it shooting out shrapnel rather than going into the plane. >> correct. the missiles were impact missiles before. they had terrible reliability. now what they have is this spreads out more like a shotgun rather than a bullet. so it is sending out all this debris against the aircraft and causing a zipline here. if you look at the line of where these hit, it would have caused the fuselage to fail in that line. and the lines then failed when the aircraft came apart. >> does that lead you to believe that the plane broke up in air or there was still a major

impact. >> because the tail is not that far from the main wreckage is that it did break up in air, however the main part of the aircraft stayed together until it was near the ground at that time when the tail came off. so if it had come off at 33,000 feet, obviously they would be much farther apart than they really are. >> this is very interesting from "the times" in london. i want to get your take with the news that the rebels have handed over the black box. i want to get kind of your thoughts really quickly on the idea, first off, can a black box be tampered with. >> not really altered. tampered with is they can intentionally get rid of the information on the box. that's possible. what is not possible is to go back and say, extract a piece of information from it. there was two seconds missing on a previous accident we found and the two seconds were critical in court because was it the black box failed or tampered with.

it was eventually ruled it was just two seconds that it had reset itself during that time. real quickly, this is the underwater beacon that we talked about from mh-370. notice it's missing on this one. it is not up stalled on that one. it is not uncommon, but i just want people to know that. it would have come off during the accident. that happens frequently, actually. >> get those black boxes in the hands of those who know how to work this case. thank you very much. we'll have more on the latest investigation. stay with us. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family,

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