country. we talk to those who lost loved ones as they plead for answers. >> if they happen to find my son's body, please release it. >> reporter: now the u.s. releasing new intelligence on who shot down the plane and why. the big question, just how involved was russia? we have the very latest. >> i'm wolf blitzer in jerusalem. also breaking. secretary of state john kerry now in israel. chances for a cease-fire looking increasingly dim with each passing hour. flights into tel aviv for america now halted after a rocket landed near the airport. israel pushing to end the ban. will the u.s. lift the restrictions? >> a special edition of "new day" starts right now. the bodies of the victims will be coming back to an airport about an hour from where we are in the netherlands. today is a national day of

mourning. they haven't had one since 1962 in respect of the passing of a queen, so it just goes to show how much this means to people. the country has its arms wide open. behind us, these are all rows of flowers. this country, of course, is known for its tulips and flowers and these are gestures of love and support, notes to the victims, notes to the people who love the victims. these are travelers. they are on their way different places. they have stopped here to observe it, and a lot of these people actually aren't in transit. they have just come from their homes and in an expression of love and to give respect to those who lost their lives. a very different picture here than what we've been experiencing in eastern ukraine. good morning to you, kate, john. >> good morning, chris. thanks so much. we'll get back to you in just a second. we're also following the latest from the middle east. wolf blitzer is in jerusalem as you see right there with updates on the cease-fire talks and the latest on the suspension of u.s. flights from and from israel.

>> other big headlines we're following here in the u.s., including duelling court rules that could force changes for millions of people already enrolled in obamacare and a major recall affecting some widely consumed fruit. if you shop at costco, walmart, trader joe's, need to hear this later. but for now back with more with chris on the ground. chris? >> all right, john, thank you very much. so many questions over what happened here. russian versions, u.s. versions, the west trying to come up with an idea of forensically figuring out how this plane, mh17, was taken out of the sky, but at the end of the day there's one thing that's undeviable and that is the people on flight mh-17 had no role in the conflict. they were absolutely innocent and killed for no reason. now what happened to them afterwards, the aftermath of the

situation made it worse. the indignity of that scene. things that i hope no one watching ever has to witness for themselves, but today is a very different day. today they are getting their respect of coming home, long process of identifying them, giving some closure to the families. since the loss of life, today is the first day of hope for these families. >> we feel that the eyes of the world are upon us to do this right. >> coming home. at least 100 bodies recovered from mh-17 placed aboard a dutch military aircraft just hours ago now on their way to the netherlands. once handed over to forensic experts, they will begin what's expected to be the difficult task of identifying each victim. but more agony for the families this morning. european monitors now say that up to 100 bodies, nearly one-third of the 298 on board, may be missing. they didn't arrive on the train from the crash site as expected

raising new questions about where they may be. the plane's two black boxes arriving in the uk this morning, the dutch asking britain's air accident aviation agency on taking the lead on analyzing them, but experts say getting to the actual wreckage is vital because the boxes likely won't hold the key to who shot down the plane and why. >> the crime scene, which is what mh-17 is, has been i think picked clean by the various groups that were in control of that area. i think the entire site has been compromised. >> u.s. officials now ramping up the pressure on russia, briefing reporters on what they say is convincing intelligence that russian militants shot it down accidentally. they point to this graphic showing the trajectory of the flight. u.s. intelligence picking up a missile launcher being turned on and then the vertical ascent of the missile and its heat plume. the u.s. also releasing evidence a buildup of russian forces in

rostov city, releasing this satellite imagery of a military area just inside the russian border where they continue to ship weapons, many head for ukraine. today former u.s. president bill clinton delivered the keynote speech at the international hate hate conference in melbourne, australia. on board flight 17, six leading aids researchers planning to attend. >> we have to remind people that the people we lost on that airplane gave their entire lives to the proposition that our common humanity matters a hell of a lot more than our interesting differences. >> you can imagine how emotional it is for the families and people who knew the loved ones and complicating matters is who exactly is coming home. two parts to that. the first is we're not sure about the body count. not sure how many victims may have been left behind. that's going to be part of the

hard forensic work going forward. that will take time also. so just because they are coming home does not mean it is over for the people here, not to mention all the questions that are still haunting these families and the world about how this happened and who did it. we will be covering what's happening here in amsterdam and, of course, what's going on back in eastern ukraine, that crime scene still unsecured, but we're also covering another major breaking story. what's going on in israel with no signs of relief. our own wolf blitzer has been there for the beginning. thanks very much. >> reporter: on behalf of all the viewers let me thank you for the excellent special coverage you're giving us right now. this is such a powerful emotional story, and you and all of our team are doing an amazing, amazing job. a lot of emotion here in israel as well and certainly tons of emotion in gaza. the secretary of state of the united states, john kerry, he is now here in jerusalem. he's trying to broker a

cease-fire between hamas and israel. the palestinian death toll rising, 649, most of them civilians. two more israeli soldiers were killed in combat on tuesday bringing the number of israeli troops killed now to 29. now the u.s. is taking action to protect travelers. the faa suspended all flights to israel's ben gurion airport after a rocket fired from gaza landed a mile or so from the airport causing significant damage to a house right near the airport. u.s. airways does plan to resume flights to tel aviv tomorrow, but only pending faa approval that's where cnn's martin savidge is standing by right now over at the airport. martin, set the scene for us. what's the very latest there? >> reporter: yeah, wolf, here we are, just after midday.

this should be a peak travel time. take a look out there on the the tarmac, the empty runway, only one runway from ethiopia, but otherwise extremely quiet for this international destination. this morning all u.s. air carriers offering flights to israel still grounded. the faa ordering airlines to suspend trips to israel's ben gurion international airport near tel aviv for at least 24 hours after a rocket launched by hamas demolished this home about a mile from the runways. cnn's own john voss was aboard a tel aviv bound flight when the ban took effect. he shoot this video. some passengers taking off from tel aviv to new york seen rushing out of airport after silence sounded warning of a possible rocket attack. >> we had to run off the plane to shelter in the middle of the airport. >> it was crazy.

i was verynerrous. >> reporter: new york city former mayor michael bloomberg boarded a flight in a show of confidence for israel. el al is not one of the affected airlines. it's. >> i want to show it's great and israel has a right to defend its people. >> reporter: but the administration says they are not going to overrule the faa. >> frankly the situation that we saw in ukraine only underscores the need to take extra precautions when it comes to the safety of civilian airliners. >> reporter: meanwhile the bloodshed continues in gaza. the palestinian death toll rising to more than 640, and two more israeli soldiers were killed there overnight bringing israel's death toll to at least 29 soldiers and t2 civilians. israel maintains that thanks to its iron dome missile system this airport is protected and safe, but let me show you, wolf,

just how close that rocket came. you take a look beyond the runway to the apartment buildings immediately thereafter, and if you're an international air carrier with a jim poe jet that's too close to comfort. >> that's why they decided to put this suspension on for 2 hours. we'll know if the faa will continue the suspension of all u.s. flights to israel, out of israel, or if they will lift that. we do know that the israeli government, israeli officials are deeply, deeply disappointed in this faa decision. martin, back to you. a lot other news happening, not only here but around world. let's go pack to new york and kate. kate? >> thanks so much. back to you shortly. here at home the white house is announcing it's revising rules to al qaeda the nonprofit religious groups looking to provide out of providing contraception coverage in their health plans. this obviously has been a big

political debate following two conflicting appeals court rules tuesday that will likely land obamacare very possibly back before the supreme court. cnn's michelle kosinski is live at white house with more on this. first off, what do the conflicting rules mean for everybody at home. >> reporter: interesting to hear both sides declaring victory because here we have two different cases and two different appeals court. the same issue but opposite rules. back when congress approved the affordable care act, they said for those who qualify individuals who can't get insurance through their employers, they will qualify for these federal tax credits to keep the insurance affordable when they buy it through the marketplace that their state will then set up. as it turns out, only 16 states set up those marketplaces, leaving the majority of those individuals who neededed to buy insurance to get it directly through the federal government. about 70% of them who qualify for the tax credit had to do it that way. now we have a question of

language. one ruling says, well, technically the law says to get that tax credit and keep the system affordable you needed to get it through your state. the other ruling saying well it's not their fault that their state didn't set up a marketplace and congress clearly intended all of these people to get the federal tax credit, so as of right now the federal tax credit stands while this continues through appeals but it's very likely head for the supreme court. michaela. >> of course we'll be watching. thanks for breaking it all down for us. let's get a look at other headlines. 12 minutes past the hour. breaking overnight, a southwest chicago-bound flight was forced to make an emergency landing in southwest ohio. pilots diverted after a smoke indicator went off. emergency slides were deployed. all 49 crew members and passengers aboard plane were able to exit the plane safely. smoke was found in one of the cargo holds. that plane has been taken out of

service for situation. two political newcomers battling for a new seat, businessman david purdue bet republican kingston in a runoff and will face michelle nun in the race for the seat of retiring senator saxby chandler. chrysler recalling 2006 and 2007 jeep commandeers and jeep cherokees from 2005 to 2007. chrysler says the ignition could turn off if the switch is bumped. chrysler says they are aware of one accident linked to this problem. however, no injuries. this morning police in new york are searching for the people who raised bleached american flags over the brooklyn bridge. construction workers reported the swap early tuesday morning

hours after the stunt. they are still investigating the stunt. was there something nefarious? how were they able to do it. >> something as benign an intention as possible, the security concern of how did they get there. >> listen to the top cops in new york, they seem embarrass that had this happened in front of their eyes when they were watching. >> coming up on "new day," a national day of mourning in the netherlands as the bodies of many of those who perished on flight 17 is coming home. chris will be speaking with a family who lost two children on that flight after the break.

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nephews were lost, this is their mother and grandmother. behind you, all these flowers and notes of expressing condolences and praying for the the souls of those who are gone, the travelers who are coming by. you know this is all for you and for your nephews, yes? >> yes. it's the first time i've seen it, and it's just too poignant to look at it. i was just choking up. i couldn't stand it. how difficult has this been to lose the little ones, to lose the one you care about the most and in a way where they were not only far away but everything that followed afterwards. how have you managed to stay together, family? >> i don't know honestly, chris. the adrenaline. just indescribable. we're all in a haze, so numb and so sad and we keep thinking about the most important thing how much the kids suffered. just hope it was all over very quickly. >> samira, i don't even want you to have to talk. i know you want to be here to

support your boys. i'm sorry to talk about how they were gone. i'm sorry, i know this is difficult for you. i don't want them to be forgotten. i want people to know how special boys were so it's not just about politics so i'm sorry you have to be here and haroum, thanks for speaking for them. tell us about these boys. i know they were special. >> like every victim. they were very hard working boys, goal in school and a pillar to her. she's been separated from her house for four years. a single mom. they had just come to the netherlands for the last four years so it was a new country, a new life. it was, you know, everything was new, and they had never lived on their own in europe before so it was very difficult, but they were just tremendously good boys. >> and there are two things i want to see if they are actually true. is it true that the young one started talking about flying and being worried and what might happen and that your family

believed he may have sensed something coming, is that true? >> whether you want to call it a premonition or whatever, the eerie thing was that right before getting on the flight after going through passport control and he ran back to his mom and my sister standing next to me, what happens if the plane is going to crash and die, i'm afraid to fly. don't worry. you've flown so many times before on your open. you've been an unaccompanied minor on many flights before. you'll be safe. your big brother is there. everything will be fine, and he said what's going to happen if i die, and what -- what if god asks me a question, what shall i tell him? now that you think back on him, it's just incredibly sad and i wish we had been able to stop him from getting on that plane are you? can't do that. samira i hope you're not doing that. it means something now, but, please, don't put yourself there. that's not fair to you, and it is true there's a third boy and

there was no seat available on this flight. otherwise he would have been on it also. he's home and safe. >> he's home and devastated. he's 16 years old and lost two of his best friends. >> i know one of the reasons that it's important for you to speak for your family is because of what happened after this completely wrong act of taking the plane out of the sky, the disrespect and indignity, how it's being treated there by these militants. i was there. and there's no question that this scene is terrible. i will tell you that people were doing their best to be respectful, not so much the militants, that's just the truth, but people were trying to say prayers. people were trying to look after what was going on there to keep a little bit of dignity. it should have been a lot, like this from the beginning. they should have been home a long time ago but what does it mean to you, that not only were their lives taking so wrongly but everything that happened

afterwards. >> that's probably the biggest insult, adding insult to injury. i understand it's a war zone and there's a lot of animosity between the parties, but these people behaved like animals. our kids and the 296 other victims, they were not part and parcel of this horrible war that's going on over there. they had nothing to do with it. they are innocent parties and it's sacrilegious what was going on with their remain and they should have been handled more respectfully. >> how are you handling with whether your boys come back or not? they don't know if people are still there and undiscovered yet? have you prepared for that? >> that's what we've preferred to. hopefully we'll have something in the grave, not just a body, been very, very graphic how the police took a dna swab yesterday morning of my sister but they

were very frank and said, you know, we may not discover them in time. we may get a limb. what do you want us to do, put him in a grave or wait until we find both boys so it was just too much to bear sometimes. >> the practicalities can be most horrible point of dealing with this and now the question that dominates the world and means the least to you in some respects. does it matter who did this? did it matter if it was intentional or an accident? does it matter if it was just militants or russia or ukraine? how much does that matter to you, those answers? >> they matter to me quite a bit. i think both the militants, both russia and malaysia airlines, they are all to blame in one way or another, and everybody ultimately will have to pay the price and be responsible, be held responsibly, either legally or financially or from a religious point of view. we're not out for revenge but

it's just the right thing to do that they should pay for their crimes, their deeds. this is a terrorist act, a criminal act, the area where the crash site, is it's a crime scene. it should have been secured more safely and it wasn't. >> still should be and we're giving more attention to t.sorry to meet you this way. my heart goes out to you and so sorry for what you've lost. >> thank you, and thanks to cnn the world what never should have been shown. it's not just us. it is people crying every minute for the same reasons we are crying. i don't know where everybody is going when i see you and the flowers and i know there's home. we have to move on. i don't know how, but we have

to. they were just incredible kids. they were just incredible. we never knew how many lives they touched until now. we thought it was just us but it's amazing so they haven't lived for nothing and i thank all of you to try to help us for this process. >> hopefully they will be coming back now to a place them a praises them and doesn't deal with their disgrace and gives them their dignity and i hope it they come home. let us know how we can help. sorry for you to have to be here like this. >> thank you so much. >> kate, back to you. >> their pain is unimaginable. chris, thank you so much for that. we're going to get back to you very shortly. coming up next on "new day," also looking at the other big story make headlines. the united states is suspending flights to israel over fears of rocket fire. wolf blitzer spoke with a member

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by the faa back in washington to suspend all flights to israel's main airport, ben gurion international airport just outside tel aviv, that after a hamas rocket landed near the airport about a mile or so away. earlier i spoke with a hamas spokesman. he told international flights not to fly into israel saying they would be in danger and i asked him for his reaction to the faa decision. >> we warned them because we were not willing to have any civilians being killed through this israeli attack against the palestinians and the palestinian resistant reaction, and this warning was because we care about the lives of the civilians and we hope that that that can be for the end of the israeli attack, not just for 1 hours. >> you saw that up of your rockets landed about a mile away from ben gurion international

airport outside of tel aviv, destroyed a house out there. are you deliberately targeting ben gurion international airport? >> well, it's clear that the israelis have targeted all the civilian houses in gaza. we are talking 600 casualties. most of them they are children, women and civilians, so what -- what the palestinians supposed to do. to give the next four days, to slaughter them or to try to defend themselves? we were expecting the international community will protect the palestinians from the israelis, will protect the palestinians from the mentality of netanyahu who lost his more or less and his army also, and he's reflecting a new image for hitler and the nazi army. they are acting in the same way and killing palestinians just because they are palestinians like hitler was doing in the last century. >> when we spoke last week, you told me that hamas had rejected

the egyptian-sponsored cease-fire because you never formally received the paperwork. do you now have a formal proposal from egypt for a cease-fire, and will you accept it? >> let me clarify two points. first of all, we reject the proposal. our position is clear. there is palestinian demands. we want it to be part of the agreement of the cease-fire, opening the borders and ending the siege on the palestinians and releasing the palestinians and after the fake story of the three settlers in the west bank, all what has been done based on this story supposed to be stopped because no one knows exactly what happened except netanyahu who was in charge and responsible for that fake story. >> the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu was with secretary-general ban ki-moon and netanyahu said this about

hamas. listen to this. >> hamas is like isis. hamas is like al qaeda. hamas is like hezbollah. hamas is like boko haram. this is part of a larger pattern. what grievance can we solve for hamas? their grievance is that we exist. they don't even want a two-state solution. they don't want any state solutions. >> you want to respond to that, mr. hamdan? >> well, he's very cold when he's lying. he knows that this is lies. he knows that hamas is different, hamas is seeking to have an independent palestinian sovereign state. we have said that clearly. we give the peace negotiations chances in 2000, 2005 and 2012. we gave those chances, but the one who destroyed the possibilities for two-state solution is netanyahu himself. what i have to tell mr. netanyahu, you have to the understandins the facts of the

lie. you can't keep occupying the palestinian lands and fighting the palestinians. you have to admit that a historical mistake was done by occupying the palestinian lands. have you to withdraw your troops. this can be done peacefully. if it's not done in this way, the palestinians will resist for generations until their lands will be liberated. >> the view from hamas. that's the spokeman, hamas spokeman speaking with me earlier from doha, qatar. >> just the latest with new developments coming every day. back to that in a moment. next up for us on "new day," you hear the finger pointing and see the flag waving. they blame the united states. they blame ukraine. the russian-backed media in russia and beyond blaming everyone but the russians

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airport in am dam, in the lands, where mh-17 began its journey. behind us you'll see row and row of flowers and supports and notes for support for the victims and families. these are some of the travelers, some are locals, those who have come. friends of those who are lost and all reaching out in the spirit of unity that is going on in the netherlands right now. however, hanging over all of this are the questions of why this happened. who did it and what will happen next. there are a lot of different theories, a lot of countries pointing fingers. most notably russia and the u.s. and the west. i want to bring in somebody who has a different perspective. his name is peter lovell. part of the russian-owned news operation there and, peter, can you hear me. >> yes, i can. go ahead. >> all right. thank you for taking time to join us. i want to ask you why hasn't

russ russia, specifically vladimir putin, why hasn't he come out and strictly and in a straight way condemned how the crime scene was handled, how the dignity of the dead was abused, how crime scene investigators weren't let in? why hasn't russia and vladimir putin come forward and condemned how this crime scene has been handled? >> well, i think the answer to that is a very, very straightforward and simple. ukraine is not in russia. vladimir putin doesn't control a crime scene in a foreign country. i think it's quite ludicrous for you to ask that question. he's come out and demanded a complete investigation. as a matter of fact, on monday of this week russia gave its assessment of the -- of the reconnaissance and surveillance satellites and what was happening in the crime scene. we don't have that coming out of washington, so i think that's what you should be asking is why

is the state department relying upon twitter and youtube and other social media for its case when russia has already given at least part of the forensic evidence that's necessary to solve this horrific crime. >> maybe you haven't been following it but the u.s. is coming out with a lot of intelligence. in either training or equipping. >> whattest are you talking about? what forensic evidence are you referring to, twitter. >> they are releasing intelligence information about -- >> twitter. >> i do not think, peter, this is something to be flip about. 298 people lost their lives, let's not play politics here. >> i think the u.s. state department has been very flippant about it, very flippant. where's the evidence? that's what we need to solve this crime. it's not coming out of

washington. even intelligence officials are saying they don't know who did this. they don't know where it came from. the united states spends $200 billion a year on global intelligence and they can't find out. this is extraordinary. there are nato ships in the black sea watching ukraine like a hawk. where's their data? please, show us the data and then we can move forward and maybe this can help resolve the crisis in ukraine. >> peter, take a breath, okay, because there,isn't a debate. it's easy toe bandy about points and confuse facts. there's no need. i'm not here to debate with who did this. you want to bring the talking points. peter, everything i'm saying is there is u.s. -- peter, why are you afraid to hear what i'm saying? . i'm not here to fight with you. i just left the crime scene. >> i would like for you to ask the u.s. government to release

all of its data from satellites and compare it to the russian's, see where it matches and don't match. you're living in a parallel universe. >> peter, peter, calm down. take a breath. we've already had something bad happen. no need to compound it. ask me an intelligent question. >> i think i've asked you several. your answers, i don't know about the intelligence of but the questions are pretty spot on. look, i'm not a representative of the u.s. you seem to be acting like a representative of russia and what i asked is why hasn't russia come forward. >> character assassination. >> france has done it, the uk has done it. the u.s. has done it. none of them have sovereign control over ukraine. countless countries have come forward. the u.n. has come forward and condemned what was been done at that crime scene, but not russia

specifically. >> vladimir putin has come out with an investigation. >> he did not condemn what's going on. >> by asking there being an investigation is -- i wish you could be a serious person about this. >> by leaving bodies in the sun, but saying leaving bodies in the sun for days. >> that's vladimir putin's fault. that's ludicrous. that's ludicrous. i'm looking at known facts. where is the investigation? the u.s. government and its allies condemned russia even before the bodies were take owen off the ground. what kind of logic and sympathy is that? that's ridiculous. >> peter, this is the logic. this is frightening what you're saying, andings again, i'm not here to argue with you. i just came from the actual crime scene. >> you sound like jen psaki at the u.s. state department. >> what i sound like is a

reporter who feels deeply for the 298 lives who were lost, who are not part of this conflict and don't need to be part of your discussion about whether russia is being unfairly blamed. the reason russia was prout in right away is because if you go to talk to the self-appointed prime minister of the area where this plane was shot down, he is surrounded by russian military figures at mittedly so, they will tell you that. and if you ask this man whether russia is helping him, you know what he will say, nothing. he refuses to answer. why would a man who is desperate for legitimacy and being seen in control his area, a self-appointed prime minister refuse to deny that russia is helping him? why, peter? that sounds like a straight question. >> i don't know why. >> sounds like something you could answer with fact. you need to remind yourself what the job is. i asked you why russia hasn't come out and condemned what is objectively wrong. nobody will take another position. the way that crime scene is unsecured and the way soldiers have gone through and

compromised the intelligence. >> who out of all of these parties have done an investigation? russia has done an investigation and made it public and they have shown the world. why doesn't the united states step up and compare evidence, okay, russia's done the right thing to do to solve this crime and u.s. intelligence has no idea what it's talking about or knows what happens and it doesn't want the world to know what really happened. it's in washington's court right now. >> here's the difference between you and me, peter. you are obsessed with clearing research from culpability, that's okay. i am focused on talking about -- >> that's your opinion, not a fact. >> how this plane and its victims were treated. >> i agree with you. >> i think you need to look up what that means. all you're doing is denying russia's involvement. >> what happened? i don't know. i don't have the evidence. >> i agree.

>> you're jumping to conclusions. >> i'm not jumping to any. have you heard me say that i know what happens. >> it was put on live. it was translated into english that even the russian side with their investigation, they did not even claim -- >> this is a joke. >> we've got to get out of it. they didn't even do that. they asked questions about why certain things were happening in that airspace. that's a good question that should be compared. what do the other radars have to say? let's see if we can see the difference or similarities. be fair. >> peter, peter, of course we want to be fair. >> yeah. >> of course everybody wants the right answer because one thing is for sure. i think you'll probably even agree with this, the people on mh-17 had no role in this conflict. they were complete innocents. there was no reason for them to be involved, whether it was a tragic mistake. >> i agree. >> that the plane was shot out of the air or it was an intentional act of terrorism, it was wrong and we need to find

out who did it. you know there's a reasonable basis for suspicion about what russia knew because of the undeniable connections between the russian militats in this area and russia itself in terms of assistance and guidance and the personnel on the ground so, of course, there's a reasonable basis for suspicion. >> you overestimate how much control the russian side has over resistance in ukraine. it's very difficult. it's very difficult to determine that. if you look at the evidence, okay, it's difficult. >> yeah, especially -- especially when the acting prime minister -- >> you deny the agency of people in eastern ukraine, you deny them agency. you think they are puppets of russia. >> i deny them? i said with the self-appointed prime minister, i sat with him. i gave him the cnn audience. i asked him there is a suspicion that russia is helping you and your fighters and training you and giving weapons, maybe the

one used to shoot down the plane. is that true? and you know what he says? i'm not going to answer that. ask russia. i said but you're the prime minister, you say you're in charge. are they helping you, or are you in charge? >> he says i won't answer that. >> that doesn't make -- >> that don't sound like a journalist? >> what is the evidence? evidence is what we need and you're trying to put the blame -- >> you're going to ignore what i just said. you're just going to ignore that? >> i'm not going to comment on what that person said, no what do you want me to say, to agree or disagree with him? why should i agree or disagree with it? >> i don't know, why should you carry water for russia when you're supposed to be a journalist? why do you say the u.s. -- >> i'm not carrying water for russia. i have a platform at rt television where i have my own program and i have my own mandate to do what i want to do so i don't know carrying water.

you carry water for the u.s. state department. >> and peter lavelle, your obvious appetite and desire of what to do is represent the best interests of russia no matter what the facts are and to shout down people who are asking legitimate questions and i think it's a mistake in fairness to the victims. >> i shout down nonsense and stupidity. we'll let the audience decide. >> and loaded questions that's what i do all the time. that's what i do for a living. >> they are straight questions. peter lavelle, have you to live with what you do for a limping appreciate you coming on "new day" so people can experience your answers and thought process for themselves. have a good day. >> listen, what is the value to that discussion? there are very different theories about how this happened. there's a different level to the warfare. what's going on in ukraine and then there's an information war that's going on at the same time. the last thing i want to do is

to stoke some type of useless conversation. the emotion sometimes gets the better of you, especially when you've been the you've scene there's very objective realities need to be addressed and any sovereign would want to reject and condemn what's been done with the crime scene of mh-17. that said i apologize for getting involved in what became more about emotion and reason there for a moment, but at the end of the day, the answers matter because of the family who you met before and the countless other families who lost loved ones on this plane, and that's why the questions have to persist and information has to be tested. that's why the u.s. is putting out intelligence and western authorities are trying to get involved with this. russia says it calls for a full investigation. russia has to know things. will it volunteer its own information because here again is the undeniable truth. that crime scene has been mismanaged. those bodies were disrespected. their dignity was hurt. it was unnecessary and it was

counterproductive to the process of truth. we're following the bodies home because they are who matter the most in this situation, 292 people who without question were above any point of criticism. can't say that about the ukraine government, certainly can't say it about the militants, and you can't say it about russia either so that is a perspective that's out there. again, became a little bit too heated and i'm sorry for that because we want to be productive for you. we want you to hear what is out there and to be sure the questions are going to go on. now, a couple of things that are just factually true and understand from where we are. we don't know how many bodries coming back today. we believe the first plane may have 20, may have more. they are not sure about the body count. there may still be victims' bodies at the crime scene or in the surrounding area. we don't know because the investigation is so shoddy it's almost nonexistent. the black boxes will have valuable information, not the absolute truth of who did this obviously but that will also take time to be processed.

the dutch authorities leading way have asked the uk authorities to take on that task. we'll let you know more as it happens, and we will take you to the memorial here during this national day of mourning in the netherlands when the bodies arrive here some hours from now. back to you in new york. >> chris, thanks so much. and i think it's also worth saying there's nothing to be sorry about, chris, because highlighting the fact that there is a real propaganda war that is part of this crisis, part of this tragedy, it's an important part of this story. it's an important part ever of actually bringing the facts to light. we've heard that from you and from other journalists and heard that from our correspondents who have covered many wars over the decades. a huge issue. we've heard what an alternate universe that many people in russia are living in because what is being pushed through russian media. >> let's talk about the facts for the minute. the facts remain in the two data

recorders that took four days to get from the scene into the hands of people who need them and only now six days later are they being looked at by investigators in britain. those are the facts. >> those are the facts, and the fact is also where the focus needs to be is what you're saying, chris, is right behind you, memorial, the flowers, the people you're speaking to and hearing from on the ground. those lives lost in finding the truth for them. that is what matters, and that's why the conversation is important. chris, we're going to get right back to you. coming up next on "new day," we'll have much more from the middle east, plus we'll head back to amsterdam, of course, for the very latest on mh-17. but coming up next, a major produce recall we want to tell you about. it's involving fruit from walmart, costco and other major stores that you very likely shop at. what you need to know. that's coming up

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global...pandemic. ♪ we're live in amsterdam from where mh-17 began its journey and today finally the victims are coming home, some 200 of them left in a plane from ukraine just hours ago. this small nation is clearly in mourning. >> i can do nothing but wait for their bodies. >> making it worse, as many as 100 bodies may be missing, this as the u.s. releases new intelligence on who shot the plane down and why. >> i'm wolf blitzer in

jerusalem. also breaking, secretary of state john kerry now in israel. but chances for a cease-fire are looking increasingly dim. flights from the u.s. into israel still halted and israel pushing the u.s. to restart the flights. michael bloomberg on a plane in a show solidarity. we're following it now. a special edition of "new day" continues right now. when it comes to mh-17, there's been so many examples of things being done wrong. i want to show you an xaflle of it being done here in amsterdam. rows and rows of flowers and notes to the victims and notes of support to the families. some of these people are in transition, transition and many of them are waiting for a plane to return

with their loved once. a second one in en route. in the airport in an an hour from where we are where the bodies will be received and here where mh-17 began its journey in amsterdam. we'll bring you information about these families because today is timely the first day of hope that they will get their loved ones back. kate, john? >> a national day of mourning in the net land. chris, we'll get back to you. we're also following the latest coming out of the middle east. secretary of state john kerry is in israel today in hopes of brokering a cease-fire. wolf blitzer will have more on that, and the rest of the developments on the crisis, including whether flights from u.s. carriers will be resuming any time soon ahead of, because, of course, there's an faa ban. >> back here in the united states, president obama taking some heat for making a fund-raising swing out west with all of these crises facing the united states right now coming from overseas. so what do americans think of the president's job performance

in the midst of all this? very latest numbers, brand new polling numbers and we'll speak with the white house about these responses to the situations in the ukraine as well. for now back to chris in amsterdam. chris? >> this is the day that the victims of flight mh-17 finally start their journey home. will it be all of them? who are they? these are all questions that remain unanswered, but after days of these families having the crime scenes being abused and the dig thinking of their loved ones being disaffected this is the first step in the process of closure, and it begins today we feel that the eyes of the world are upon us to do it right. >> coming home, at least 200 bodies recovered from mh-17 placed aboard a dutch military aircraft hours ago and now on their way to the netherlands. once handed over to forensic

experts, they will begin what's expect to be the difficult task of identifying each victim. but more agony for the families this morning. european monitors now say that up to 100 bodies, nearly a third of the 298 on board, may be missing. they didn't arrive on the train from the crash site as expected raising new questions about where they may be. the plane's two black boxes arriving in the uk this morning, but experts say getting to the actual wreckage is vital because the boxes likely won't hold the key to who shot down the plane and why. >> the crime scene, which is what mh-17 is, has been i think picked clean by the various groups that were in volof that area. i think the entire site has been compromised. >> reporter: u.s. officials now ramping up the pressure on russia, briefing reporters on what they say is convincing intelligence that russian militants shot it down

accidentally. they point to this graphic showing the trajectory of the flight, u.s. intelligence picking up a manulife launcher being turned on and then vertical ascent of the missile and its heat plume. the u.s. also releasing evidence of a buildup of russian forces in rostov city, releasing this satellite maniagery of a military area just inside the russian border where they continue to ship weapons, many headed for ukraine. today former u.s. president bill clinton delivered the keynote speech at international hiv/aids conference in melbourne, australia. on board flight 17 six leading aids researchers planning to attend. >> we have to remind people that the people we lost on that airplane gave their entire lives to the proposition that our common humanity matters a hell of a lot more than our

interesting differences. >> cnn will be monitoring this situation in eastern ukraine to see when this crime scene starts being taken seriously and we will follow the bodies home here to the loved ones and we'll take you live and they get the ceremony as they get the respect received by the netherlands. i'm joined by a journalist here who works with dutch tv on a program called "news hour" and we see the show of support here. we know today is the first national day of mourning since 1962. 292 victims, over 100 from your country, but of the 17 million. >> about 200. >> in the net land, those 200 people represent all 17 million, is that true? >> that's true. i mean, when people say that everybody in this country knows somebody that was on that flight, it's no exaggeration or you know somebody who knows somebody. it's not because the netherlands is such a fairy tale-like

village but because it's a small country. a colleague of a colleague lost somebody, and everybody here visiting this monument, i would say, has such stories. ? and you have a horror within a horror. if this plane had gone down in the water, it would have been horrible to lose so many lives, but because of how this happened and because it remains unanswered, it takes it to a different level. >> i mean, the plane i think was hit on thursday. it's tuesday now and the bodries not here yet. you have dover air base where coffins come in way too often in the u.s. but it's an image you're almost used to which doesn't make it any less horrible. we're not used to it, let alone 40 or 50 coffins come in five days after it happened and there's still many remains in

the field over there and people -- i mean, a couple of families will be comforted in one way that the east liar family members are here, but many others still have no clue what happened to them and even the identifying of the bodies may take weeks or months. >> and you say the coffins. the coffins is progress in this situation, and you know i maine that in the most respectful way because of how they had been left there. >> definitely. >> how they had been disrespect. how does that change the dynamic of what you've had to watch going on in eastern ukraine with the disregard for the crime scene and for the bodies? >> well, i'm sure there's a sense of relief. i didn't lose a close family member but i'm sure the family members feel a sense of relief, at least the ones who family members come back here and the response so far i think has been dig firksd a lot of grief, but dignified. no immediate calls for revenge, but people do want to know what happened and they do need an investigation. they saw that people tampered

with evidence on the spot and that is frustrating. perhaps you have shown the foreign minister at the u.n. security council who expressed that frustration and everyone here feels the frustration. even when the coffins are back the story hasn't end and won't for months. >> what do you do in terms of how the sovereign governments involve themselves going forward? yes, they are rightfully in charge of dealing with the bodies and they should be dealing with that and dealing with it very well from what i saw on ground but pushing for answers and taking positions that will potentially be in conflict with a major superpower like russia or maybe they will disagree with what the west is doing or ukraine. what have you said about how active they want to be. >> well, this story is starting to develop from here. first the bodies need to be back and our prime minister has always stressed it. i don't each want to talk about further consequences or each talk about blaming russia or even talking about blaming the separatists because he wanted

the bodies here first. now you see the debate starting to develop. how do we deal with russia. have we perhaps underestimated russia, putin? have we misunderstood putin and what does it mean, for instance, for economic ties. the dutch have been -- the netherlands has been one of the countries against further sanctions against russia because we make a lot of money off russia. that part of the debate is starting to change but it will take a while. >> that's the unspoken truth of so much of russia, so much of europe. it's so easy to say in the u.s. and the west we have to tighten the economic sanctions on russia. >> we've had our economic crisis just like the u.s. the u.s. doesn't deal with russia that much, france does, germany. a lot of russian money in london. netherlands, a pretty small country, pretty big when it comes to economics and finances. these are consequences. things cannot and will not stay the same because the country lost 200 nationals and they

demand a change. >> you'll have to see an exercise of patience at least immediately, i would suggest, pause in all likelihood you don't have everybody back yet and you'll need access the to that site and have real forensics experts to go in and do the best they can to completely sweep that scene of anybody's loved one. >> which may take months. >> and to do that you'll have to have comfortable relations and it will be tricky. thank you soap. look forward to covering this going forward and i'm sorry for any friends or anyone you know that's been lost in this. >> thank you. >> john, to you? thanks so much, chris. we make a lot of money off of russia, that comment, hang on to that for a while. why? because european leaders got together in the wake of the tragedy to discuss expanding sanctions against russia for backing the rebels in ukraine who are accused by many now of shooting down flight 17. sanctions with teeth, real repercussi repercussions. that is what many expected from the europeans, but that's not

what's happening here. at least so far not at all. so why not? why not take a stand? what are they afraid of? joining us to talk about cnn's global economic analyst and also a very important person at "time" magazine. thanks for being with us here. i think a lot of people in the united states are frankly shocked that after this tragedy, 298 lives lost they thought they would see action, strong action from the europeans finally, but, no. >> this comes down to economic interests as we were just hearing. europe gets most of their gas from russia, 30%. it's largest single supplier. they do a lot of trade with russia. european banks and european multi-nationals are deeply embedded in that economy, and i think frankly europeans have been reluctant to pull the plug on those relationships. everybody thought that this would be the change moment. >> that's the thing. we've talked about this before as the ukrainian crisis was unfolding. when are they going to do something and if this tragedy can't move those countries

together to actually take a hard line against russia and say we won't take it anymore, what is? >> what will. >> that's the big question. you know, if you look back. europeans have a history of coming together in good times. everybody was on board with the euro in 1999 and not so much with the european debt cries as i couple years ago and what tends to happen is every individual country has the economic verylationship they are trying to protect. europe has had a difficult time coming together as a bloc and standing together in these situations. i think there's a conversation in europe about energy policy. >> that's what this comes down to. >> the sanctions already in place against individual and companies has hurt russia at the margins, but in order to kick russia into a true recession and really cripple their economy you have to put embargoes on energy and that's when you hurt european countries but it's not impossible. hearing talks about certain kinds of plans that could move

europe to more energy independence. ultimately the u.s. could play a part in that but not immediately. >> such reluctance and such economic fear and you see it in front france. they have sold warships to russia which they haven't delivered yet. the russia president says we're going to go ahead -- the french president says i'm going to deliver the warships, why? because if we didn't, it would cost up $1 billion. >> tone deaf seems kind. >> absolutely, and the french have a bad history of being in bed with countries doing bad things during these types of crises. i think it's not really significant to the russia economy to the sense that they are an arms exporter themselves. you really don't want to be selling warships to russia at a moment like this. >> if the united states had closer ties, if the united states was tied to russia economically like the european countries, do you think the united states would be making as

strong a stand as they are right now? is everybody so economically focused, motivated? >> if we were getting 30% our gas from russia it would be trickier. this is one of the reasons we keep hearing more and more about energy independence and the u.s. shale boom. it's incredibly valuable. the u.s. has become the go-to country in terms of energy supplies because of issues like this. >> sometimes shackfies takes sacrifice which some of the european leaders need to be thinking about. >> great point, john. >> let's take a look at some of the other news today. michaela? >> at 14 minutes past the hour, a look at your headlines, a split decision from two federal appeals courts on a key element of obamacare. one ruling says insurance subsidies can only be award through state-run health exchanges, not the 36 administered by the federal government. hours later a second court ruled people can get subsidized coverage through both insurance marketplaces. the case is likely to be decided by the supreme court.

count on cnn to have more on this. a political outsider now a step closer to the seat at table. former reebok ceo david purdue just defeated veteran congressman jack kingston in a republican senate primary runoff in georgia and he'll nowfies democratic nominee michelle nun in november. some new developments for you into the investigation of the illegal chokehold death in new york city. police commissioner bill bratton ordering a thorough reviau of the nypd's training procedures after the death of eric gardner. that man was killed in a choke hold and died while police attempted to address him thursday. they will focus the use of force and how officers are trained for a takedown and word is also that bill bratton, a former lapd chief will send some of the officers out to los angeles there because he feels some of the training practices there have been updated.

that's a look at your headlines. >> coming up next on "new day," we'll have much more on the tragedy of mh-17 but, first, the faa has put at least a temporary ban on flights into and out of tel aviv after a missile lands quite near the airport there, but is the united states government about to reverse that decision? we're going to go back live to wolf blitzer on the frowned in jerusalem for the very latest ♪ the last four hours have seen... one child fail to get to the air sickness bag in time. another left his shoes on the plane... his shoes! and a third simply doesn't want to be here. ♪ until now... until right booking now. ♪ planet earth's number one accomodation site booking.com booking.yeah!

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welcome back toed into yeah. i'm wolf blitzer reporting live from jerusalem. the secretary of state john kerry is here it jerusalem work okay on a cease-fire agreement between israel and hamas. let's see how much achievement he can achieve all after u.s. and european airlines have cancelled flights to and from israel after a rocket from hamas fell a mile or so away from the country's main international airport, ben gurion international airport outside of tel aviv, the faa instructing all american caresiers to suspend service for 1 hours and u.s. airways will reinstate flights to tel aviv pending faa approval. joining us now is our cnn aviation expert. the next few hours the faa has to decide whether to lift the

restriction or keep going. what's your analysis, miles? >> well, it's a war zone, wolf. there were hamas rockets that landed a mile from ben gurion airport, and that's a great concern. this is a threat we thought more about historically, shoulder-fired heat-seeking missile kind of threat that we're talking about. when aircraft are on short final, taking off, low to the ground and slow, that's been the concern over the years. what's kind of interesting is the israelis have responded to this because they have been targeted. they were targeted in mombassa, kenya, in 2002 and have equipped most of their aircraft or they claim all of their aircraft with anti-heat seeking missile technology. >> the missiles though, the rocket that came in about a mile or so from ben gurion came in from gaza, not a shoulder fired anti-aircraft missile or a surface-to-air missile that prout down the malaysia flight

and securities are very upset. they say it's very safe to fly into ben gurion and that the faa should reconsider. what are the chances of these rockets that come in, the iron dome has intercepted 80%, 90% of them. what's the chances it could hit a commercial aircraft? >> the iron dome, the israeli missile defense system makes ben gurion probably as safe as anybody in the world despite the tough neighborhood that it is in, but coming on the heels of what we saw in the ukraine, airlines throughout the world, regulatory bodies are rethinking what their risk levels should and should not be as they fly into these dangerous parts of the world. should the aircraft be equipped, as el al aircraft are, with the flare devices which can spoof a heat-seeking missile. you're right, those rockets not nearly as sophisticated as a heat-seeker but particularly when a civilian airliner is targeted, as we would expect

that to be the case in the case of terrorists, sometimes you get lucky and you have a really bad day. >> that's certainly one of the concerns. the three major u.s. carriers flying to israel, u.s. airways, united and delta, i heard reports that some of the crew members were not necessarily thrilled about flying into israel at a time when these rockets and missiles, about 2,000 of them, have come from hamas and gaza into israel. they were asking for volunteers, plenty of pilots and co-pilots ready to do this flight from new york or philadelphia to tel aviv. how much of a problem is that for delta, let's say, u.s. airways and united? >> well, you know, i think, it's certainly up to -- we should always allow our flight crews to make the decisions, to either fly or not fly into particular areas. the captain should have that kind of authority, and if they don't want to fly that particular flight they should be

entitled to do so. a lot has to do with transparency, wolf. when somebody is flying into ben gurion it's no secret you're flying into an area with an ongoing conflict. it has rockets in the area, and also on the other side of it has a tremendous security system, an apparatus, intelligence on the ground as well as the iron dome as it's called, the missile defense system, so some of it is just making sure that the crew and the passengers know what they are getting into, which was not the case for the malaysian flight over the ukraine. people on that flight didn't really know where they were and what the risks were. >> the israelis are doing and you'll be interested to get a map of israel. in the southern time of aylot down near sinai they have a large air force base but it's being reconverted, part of it, for commercial aircraft in the next day or two if the faa keeps

the delays coming in and out of ben gurion airport, they will make this airport available for u.s. air or delta and then bus the passengers. let's see what happens to ben gurion airport. miles, thanks very much. back to kate and john in new york. no doubt, kate and john, that from the israeli perspective, a lot of israelis are very angry about this faa decision. they say in effect it amounts to a victory for hamas. >> it doesn't seem at this point if the faa is ready to change their decision quite yet, no matter what israel says. thanks so much. we'll be getting back to you. coming up next on "new day," two issues on the president's plate, the middle east crisis and also the shootdown of flight 17. the white house deputy national

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almost half past the hour. welcome back to "new day." a look at your headlines. two flights carrying some 40 bodies from the mh-17 disaster are in the air on their way to the netherlands. relatives and members of the dutch royal family are on hand for the arrival of those planes at an air base in eindhoven.

u.s. officials are working off the theory from pro-russian rebels shot down that jet by mistake. right now the plane's black boxes are in the hands of uk investigators. russia is still sending equipment and weapons to separatists. as many as 20 vehicles tuesday alone. back here at home a friend of boston suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev is back in custody accused of providing the fun that killed an m.i.t. police officer during the manhunt. it's revealed that he possessed a handgun with an altered serial number and the same gun has been identified as that murder weapon. new fears of possible listeria contamination have triggered a nationwide stone fruit recall. some of the fruit comes from big name stores, walmart, trader joe's and costco. our senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen is live with more on this. we're in the beginning of stone fruit season.

how serious is this, elizabeth? >> no one has gotten sick so far that we know of and that's great but listeria should taken seriously. it can cause miscarriages and can be fatal, especially for the elderly and for babies. let's take a look at some of the stores and some of the fruits that we're talking about. so costco, trader joe's, kroger, walmart, and we're talking about peaches, nectarines, plums, pluots, a plum/apricot combination, of course, the fruits that have the pig stones or big pits in the middle of them. this all started when the rwwana company noticed they had litteria in one of their facilities. they have now shut it down and sterilized. >> at least folks can be aware if they purchased there what to do. time now for "inside politics." new poll numbers show even with escalating crises abroad the president doesn't seem to be losing so much ground but isn't gaining either. a new cnn/orc poll shows the

president's approval rating shows at 43%, within the margin of error from the last time you checked this polling. is this the new normal for the president? what does it mean going ahead? let's talk about it with john king, cnn's chief national correspondent and, of course, the anchor of "inside politics." good morning, john. approval at the moment standing at 12%, but in the midst of not one but multiple crises that he's dealing with overseas. taking a lot of heat from republicans on his handling of it. what do you think it means? >> very interesting. the president essentially is a flat line in the approval rate since january. if you look back to the beginning of the year to where we are now, he's moved almost not at all. what does that tell us. it tells us that 42% is about the president's bottom, that barring some other dramatic crises he won't fall much lower than that. 45% in february and 42% now, you a within margin of error. what's happened in these those ensuing months, the missing irs e-mails, the v.a. scandal and world crises you're talking about this morning and others as

well. the president's numbers haven't moved that much. it tells you that 22% is likely his bottom. not good, don't want a president at 22% at any time, especially in a mid-term election year which are determined most of all by the president's approval rating. the biggest drop in january is actually among democrats, lost 11 points amongst democrats and perhaps closer to the election when democrats are rallying a bit, that number could tick up a bit but we're talking about a national number, 42%. you can bet if he's at 22% nationally the president is lower in the states that have the big senate races this year. they tend to be red states like montana, south dakota, west virginia, alaska, louisiana, north carolina. at 42 nationally and lost most of those states i just listed in 2012 he's probably a little lower in those so it's not -- there's no discouragement for democrats but there's nothing to cheer about. >> it's bad but could be a whole lot worse theme you can also see in the numbers on health care, obamacare. president's numbers, policy

numbers there in terms of approval, haven't really dropped over the last several months. in fact, you've heard some democrats in recent weeks, up until yesterday, and i'll got to that, talk about the idea that obamacare may not be the albatross air their next in this election they once thought it would be. however did, that change yesterday oh, at about 9:45 when we got the first of the federal court rules suggesting that a big part of obamacare should be thrown out. >> the legal challenge in those court cases and now the political debate about them will be fascinating between now and the election. let's focus on the numbers. the numbers are pretty static and that's been the case for obamacare for a career or so, people are locked in on this and if you look at it, you know, 40% favor the health care law, 59% disapprove of the health care law, very careful when you cite the disapproval. republicans like to say a majority of americans disapprove, a slice of them disapprove because it didn't go far enough, don't think it's

liberal enough. potential silver lining for the white house going forward. in our poll we asked you has this helped you or anyone you know and 52% say it has helped them or other families, 1% say it's helped their family and 35% say it's helped other families. policically, republicans wants to replace and repeal. if a majority of americans think it's helped them or helped someone they know it gets harder politically to take it away so if people think it's helping, even if they didn't like it at the fingbut it's helping them or their friends the republicans have a higher bar. if you want to take it away they need to explain much more clearly what they put in the place. >> as we watch the mid-term primaries that play out, we wonder what is the big message, big resonating issue for each place in each state? take georgia, for example, david purdue, businessman, beating out longtime republican congressman jack kingston taking on another big political name in that

state, michelle nunn. what do you take from that primary? >> the headline of that number one, beyond the primary, the democrats have two places where they can pick up senate seats in, kentucky and georgia. that tells you how steep the hill is for democrats, best chances in states that president obama lost twice, kentucky and georgia. now let's look at that georgia race, michelle nunn, the daughter of longtime senator sam nunn, democrats think they have a great recruit and top of the ticket will be relatively strong, jimmy carter's grandson is their candidate for governor. what about david pursue, a loss last night. wins for the chamber of commerce and the republican establishment. well the chamber backed jack kingston. david purdue whose face you see, the businessman and newcomer to politics. he won that. the buzz among conservatives is that the timing helped david purdue. what have we been talking about a lot, immigration, what does the chamber of commerce want, comprehensivism gracious, path to immigration and conservatives

don't like that. jack kingston took on the baggage of the chamber of commerce position on immigration and that helped him. watching this race going forward, you'll have two people, michelle nunn may have a famous name, never run for office and david purdue either so it makes it interesting when you have newcombers to politics. this is a race democrats really need because they are expected to lose in some of those states i mentioned at beginning. they really need to pick up a seat somewhere so watch a lot of money now go into georgia, and watch health care, women's issues, a lot lo of microtargeting in this race, a fascinating contest. >> be prepared to see democrats coming in from all over the country to help that race out. >> the ones who aren't in kentucky. >> exactly. john king, great to see you. thanks, john. >> take care, guys. coming up next on "new day," president obama is on a fund-raising scheme out west amid two crises overseas. we'll talk about how the administration is handling these challenges. narrator: these are the tennis shoes skater kid: whoa narrator: that got torture tested by teenagers

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breaking news, two ukrainian fighter jets have been shot down in eastern ukraine, this

according to ukrainian officials. we'll bring you many more details as they become available, happening as we speak. this, of course, just days after malaysia air flight 17 was shot down over ukraine killing 292 people on board. u.s. intelligence shows the pro-russian separatists shot down that plane, that according to u.s. officials. >> we do not know what weapons may have been used to shoot down the ukrainian fighter jets. were they the buk missiles suspected of taking down mh-17, we don't know, but piecing that together will make the situation on ground much, much clearer. >> absolutely right. >> more on that crisis in ukraine and the middle east crisis as well. we'll speak with the white house deputy national security adviser next. did you know, your eyes can lose vital nutrients as you age? [ male announcer ] that's why there's ocuvite to help replenish key eye nutrients. ocuvite has a unique formula not found in your multivitamin to help protect your eye health. ocuvite. help protect your eye health.

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all right. we do have breaking news to report, and it is troubling. it comes from ukraine's government. they say two ukrainian fighter jets have been shot down over eastern ukraine. again, that's the hostile region, the pro-russian region largely controlled by different militant groups, and, again, two ukrainian fighters jets just shot down over eastern ukraine. that comes from the ukrainian government. as we get more details about how that happened and why, we know why, as we get details about it, we'll bring them to you. right now i want to bring in deputy national security adviser tony blinkon. tony, this is fresh information. won't ask you about that because we're all learning about it at the same time. however, it does go to the main question that planes are being shot out of the sky in eastern ukraine.

this isn't the first report we heard about it. other planes have been taken out as well so let's stick right with mh-17 because that's our focus specifically here in holland as we wait for the bodies to finally come home, at least some of them to their loved ones here in amsterdam. so, tony, what do we know on the u.s. intelligence side about what brought down mh-17? what proof and intelligence can you suggest? >> chris, we have a very compelling case about what brought down the plane. first of all, we've seen a flow of weapons across the border from russia into ukraine for weeks that we've been working to document. second, we know that a missile brought down the plane. we know it came from territory controlled by the separatists. we know that the missile in question was in the possession of the separatists. we know that the ukrainians didn't have any of those kinds of missiles anywhere near range and haven't used any anti-aircraft missiles and we know the separatists on social media bragged about taking down a plane immediately after the

plane went down and then pulled that back from social media when they found out it was a civilian aircraft so i think there's an extremely compelling case, and if this morning's news bears itself out, that is, the shootdown of ukrainian planes, that only deepens what we know because it demonstrates yet again that the separatists are shooting down planes. in this case they shot down a civilian airliner and killed nearly 300 innocent people. >> all right. but there will be a distinction, and it's a key one. first of all, tony, i don't think you or i can see the screen, wolf will join us also to get your take on situation in israel. don't know if you can see him on the screen right now but will be in just a moment. the distinction would be this, tony. yes, the militants say they have the weapons to shoot planes out of the sky but of a certain range. mh-17 would have required a different range weapon asset, a surface-to-air missile. those they say they do not have, so is all of the proof circumstantial and based on what

we have heard, or do you think you can make a technical forensic case to prove that they had the weapon and that they took this plane out of the sky, mh-17? >> you have to bring all the elements together and that's what we're working to do. what we've seen, for example, is compelling reports in social media of separatists using a missile to shoot down the plane, parading it in streets of towns in the separatist-control areas where we believe the missile came from a day before the plane was shot down. that's quite compelling and the fact that they were bragging about taking down a plane shortly after mh-17 came down, you put those two things together, together with the flow of weapons across the border from russia into ukraine that we've seen for weeks on end, all of that taken together makes a very compelling but if you talk to the self appointed prime minister of the militant area which i have and others have or my friend from

russian tv, they will say that's all you have is social media and some conversations that could have been manufactured with all the money and surveillance capabilities and intelligence capabilities of the u.s. that's the best you can do? is that a fair criticism? >> look, the separatists and some of their backers would say this conversation is not happening. they'll say we invent anything. the fact of the matter is when you lay it all out, when you see how we come about bringing the evidence together, for example, the social media. what do we do? we get voice intercepts of the separatists talking and bragging about taking down a plane. we compare it to remarks they made in public to the voices that are on those tapes, and you can have a very compelling assessment of who is speaking. our experts are very good at this, but again you also saw the other day reporters get into the field and find pieces of the plane with shrapnel in it that's consistent with an sa-11 missile which is what we believe brought down the plane. the case when you bring these

elements together is very compelling and beyond that there's no plausible alternate explanation. >> on this same point, one last question before we get to wolf, tony, first, can you show -- i know it's hard to show the nonexistence of a fact, but the russian side would say they have proof that a ukraine government plane was in the area of mh-17 when it was brought down, and that's why we believe they did it. is there a way to show that that can't be true? >> well, from what we've seen there were no ukrainian planes in the area at the time and the plane that the russians are pointing to is a plane that is used for air-to-ground attacks. in other words, it doesn't shoot down planes in the sky. it attacks things on the ground. it's not outfitted to take down planes in the sky. so they're alleged case holds no water. >> all right. i want to bring in wolf now and hopefully, tony, you're working there in washington to figure

out how to get some expert eyes on the ground in east ukraine at that crime scene before it's completely corrupted and you're not able to gather any hard forensic proof of what happened to that plane -- >> we are. >> i'm going to give it to wolf now who is in the middle of a very, very serious conflict there. wolf? >> tony, thanks very much. how close is the secretary of state, john kerry? he's in jerusalem. i'm in jerusalem right now. how close do you believe he is to achieving some sort of cease fire between israel and hamas? >> look, wolf, he's working, as you know, very hard in that direction. he's on the ground. he is engaged with all of the key players, obviously with the israelis, with the egyptians trying to work on making their initiative real, with other countries that may have an important role to play from turkey to qatar to the uea to jordan, trying to bring all of this together. there's real urgency to trying to end the violence and to get a cease-fire, but let's again go back to the basic and most important premise, no country can abide having rockets raining down on it by terrorists or having terrorists tunnel underground to kill or kidnap

its citizens. so israel is doing what's necessary to end that threat but right now given the civilian toll, there's real urgency in trying to bring this to a close. israel has done significant damage to the hamas infrastructure, and it's now in a place i think where it can move to a cease-fire. indeed, it said it wants one, to try to bring this to a close. >> would all israeli troops have to be removed from gaza as part of this cease fire agreement? >> well, in the first instance, the most important thing is to, indeed, cease fire immediately and then work on what comes after that, including what happens to the troops, what happens going forward to ensure that hamas does not continue to rain rockets down on israel or try to send terrorists underneath the ground to kidnap or kill israelis and also what happens to try and alleviate the suffering of people in gaza and to ameliorate their circumstance so that the suffering that they're enduring also comes to an end.

>> i know that the u.s. has already pledged $47 million in humanitarian aid to palestinians in gaza as an initial gesture right now. i know you like what egypt is doing to try to broker this cease fire agreement, but i'm hearing conflicting reports about the u.s. attitude towards qatar. is qatar helping or hurting this process because of their relationship with hamas? >> well, the important thing is there are countries, including qatar, that have a relationship with hamas, and hamas is the odd party out. it has refused to engage in the cease-fire. we don't deal directly with hamas, so countries that do, including qatar, including turkey, have a role to play to convince hamas it needs to stop firing and stop raining these rockets down on israel. >> but is qatar's role helpful or hurtful? >> i think it can be helpful, again, because we need contact points with hamas and qatar, turkey, other countries can provide that. >> in the next few hours, tony, the faa has to announce whether they're lifting that ban on u.s.

flights, u.s. carriers flying in and out of israel. have they already told the white house that their plan is? >> no, wolf, i haven't heard anything from them this morning. they have been working closely with israeli authorities overnight to see if the concerns that were raised yesterday can be alleviated, and they can lift the notice, but i haven't heard from them yet this morning. >> what do you anticipate? are you anticipating a lifting or a continuation? >> wolf, they're working through this closely with the israelis. the faa has a responsibility for the safety and security of americans and american carriers, and they take that responsibility very seriously, but they've been working overnight with the israelis on this. >> yeah, i know the israelis are very, very upset, as you can fully appreciate what's going on. we'll see what the faa decides to do. tony blinken is the deputy national security adviser to the president. thank you for joining us. >> thanks, wolf, thanks, chris. >> let's go back to john and kate in new york. >> thanks. coming up, we'll talk about that faa decision to halt those flights into israel after the rockets hit near tel aviv's

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we are live from where mh-17 began its journey in the metherlands. we all know how it ended, but today is a very different day. behind us rows and rows of flowers and notes and people standing in support of the victims who are finally on their way home. >> i can do nothing but wait for their bodies. >> a plane carrying the remains now in the air, a day of mourning declared all across this small country. we talk to those who lost loved ones as they plead for answers. >> i want to find my son's body. please release it. >> the u.s. releasing new intelligence on who shot down the plane and why. the big question, just how involved was russia? we have the very latest.

i'm wolf blitzer in jerusalem. also breaking, secretary of state john kerry now in israel. chances for a cease-fire looking increasingly dim with each passing hour. flights into tel aviv from america now halted after a rocket landed near the airport. israel pushing to end the ban. will the u.s. lift the restriction? >> a special edition of "new day" continues right now. we are here in amsterdam. this is where mh-17 started its journey. behind us a number of people here is growing. they're coming to pay respect, there are rows and rows of flowers here. holland known for flowers but this is not about beauty, this is about paying respect, and the people here are leaving notes for those who were lost and just for calls for peace. this is a very small country, some 17 million, so there's an intimacy when something like

this happens, 200 lives lost from the netherlands of those 298, and this comes as there is more troubling news out of eastern ukraine. the ukrainian government reporting two fighter jets were shot down, and you are understanding is they were shot down in a region very close, within several kilometers, of where a missile system may have been believed to be that could have taken down mh-17. so this pick turb continues to get more and more troubling. we'll take you through it this morning but let's start back in new york with kate and john. >> thanks, chris. we also have our eye on the middle east, of course. wolf blitzer is on the ground in jerusalem. as secretary of state john kerry arrives in israel hoping to bring about a cease-fire, wolf is going to be talking to the spokesman for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he will be joining wolf later this hour. >> also, we have now intelligence about how, at least according to the united states officials, about how mh-17 was shot down. we'll describe this new intelligence to you. of course, amid the breaking news that chris just mentioned, that ukrainian officials say two

fighter jets, two of their fighter jets, were shot down in this same region controlled by pro-russian rebels. we don't know the weapons system used to shoot them down. that will be a key question going forward. let's go back to chris now in amsterdam. >> reporter: obviously the question of who did this is dominating geopolitics right now, but here in holland and for these families, that's not what is heavy on their heart. it's the loved ones that they lost, and today finally the bodies are coming home. how many? we're not sure. whom do they belong to? that's going to be a longer process. nothing is simple in a situation like this. but at least today there's a cause for hope. >> we feel that the eyes of the world are upon us to do this right. >> reporter: coming home, at least 200 bodies recovered from flight hm-17 placed aboard a dutch military aircraft just hours ago now on their way to

the netherlands. once handed over to forensic experts, they will begin what's expected to be the difficult task of identifying each victim. but more agony for the families this morning. european monitors now say that up to 100 bodies, nearly a third of the 298 on board, may be missing. they didn't arrive on the train from the crash site as expected raising new questions about where they may be. the plane's two black boxes awrying in the uk this morning, but experts say getting to the actual wreckage is vital because the boxes likely won't hold the key to who shot down the plane and why. >> the crime scene, which is what mh-17 is, has been i think picked clean by the various groups that were in control of that area. i think the entire site has been compromised. >> reporter: u.s. officials now ramping up the pressure on russia briefing reporters on what they say is convincing

intelligence that russian militants shot it down accidentally. they point to this graphic showing the trajectory of the flight. u.s. intelligence picking up the missile launcher being turned on, then the vertical ascent of the missile and its heat plume. the u.s. also releasing evidence of a buildup of russian forces in rostov city. a place they continue to ship weapons, many headed for ukraine. today former u.s. president bill clinton delivered the keynote speech at the international hiv aids conference in melbourne, australia. on board flight 17, 6 leading aids researchers planning to attend. >> we had to remind people that the people we lost on that airplane gave their entire lives to the proposition that our common humanity matters a hell of a lot more than our

interesting differences. >> reporter: right now there are two australian planes in the air on the way from ukraine to here in the netherlands. they're going to be landing an hour from where we are right now. today is a national day of mourning in the netherlands. it's first one they've had since 1962 just to give you a sense of how profound an impact this has had on the entire country. we will take you live to the ceremony that will be in place there in the moment of silence that will be observed there and around the world, but we're also monitoring another major situation in the world right now, the ongoing conflict in israel, and we have wolf blitzer there. wolf? >> and there's no doubt, chris, that the shoot down of those two jet fighters, ukrainian jet fighters, that's only going to exacerbate the tension in that part of the world right now. in this part of the world, there's plenty of tension as well. the secretary of state john kerry, he's now hear in jerusalem. he's trying to broker a gaza cease fire deal. he says progress has been made

in bringing an end to the fighting. you heard tony blinken, the deputy national security adviser to the president, also say some progress has been achieved. let's see if they can close a deal though. the palestinian death toll rising to 649, so many of them civilians, most, in fact. israeli soldiers, more of them were killed, two more killed in combat on tuesday bringing the number of israeli troops killed to 29. now the u.s. is taking action to try to protect travelers. the faa suspended flights to israel's main airport in tel aviv for 24 hours. that 24-hour time period getting ready to end in the next few hours. that happened after a rocket was fired from gaza and landed about a mile or so away from bthe airport. one carrier is planning to resume flights to tel aviv from philadelphia as early as tomorrow pending faa approval.

no word yet from delta or united. all of that is adding a sense of urgency here in israel. let's go to the airport, cnn's martin savidge has been there for the last several hours. tell our viewers, marty, what's going on. >> reporter: well, wolf, you know, there have been well over 2,000 missiles that have been launched. this is according to the israeli military, from gaza by hamas to israel. but it was the one that landed just about a mile in that direction that may have done the most damage of all. it wasn't the home that was heavily demolished, it was the impact on air traffic and as you point out, particularly airplanes coming from the u.s. and europe. this morning all u.s. air carriers offering flights to israel still grounded. the faa ordering airlines to suspend trips to ben gurion international airport for at least 24 hours after a rocket

launched by hamas demolished this home about a mile from the runways. cnn's own john voss was aboard a tel aviv bound flight when the ban took affect. he shot this video while walking off the plane diverted to paris. some passengers taking off from tel aviv to new york on tuesday seen rushing out of the airport after sirens sounded warning of a possible rocket attack. >> we had to run off the plane to shelter in the middle of the airport. >> it was crazy. i was very nervous. >> reporter: former new york city mayor michael bloomberg boarded a flight from new york to tel aviv last night in a show of support to israel. >> just trying to show it's safe and it's a great place to visit and israel has a right to defend its people. >> reporter: but the administration says they're not going to overrule the faa. >> frankly, the situation that we saw in ukraine only

underscores the need to take extra precautions when it comes to the safety of civilian airliners. >> reporter: meanwhile, the bloodshed continues in gaza. the palestinian death toll rising to more than 640, and 2 more israeli soldiers were killed there overnight bringing israel's death toll to at least 29 soldiers and 2 civilians. israel believes that it's being punished even though it was a terrorist act committed by hamas that basically brought about the entire closure. economically it is hurting them and it certainly doesn't help that your top international airport of your nation is quiet. there are flights going, but certainly nowhere near as many as 24 hours ago, wolf. >> yeah, there's been an enormous amount of cancellati s cancellations. we'll see what the faa will do over the next few hours. martin savidge for us. joining us is senator tim kaine,

a democrat from virginia. senator thanks very much for joining us. would you feel comfortable getting on a delta or united or us airways flight and flying to tel aviv right now? >> well, you know, i was in israel a couple months ago, and, yes, i would feel comfortable, but i can understand why the faa or other airlines who have liability concerns, who are worried about not just what one or two passengers feel but what everybody feels, i understand why they're being cautious, and the incident of last week demonstrates reason for caution. >> and the gesture, for example, of the former new york city mayor michael bloomberg, he's on a flight that left new york on its way here, should be landing at ben gurion airport. the fact that he wants to show solidarity, he's very convinced it's safe. what do you say when someone like that, a politician like that, does that? >> i think, look, i don't mind it at all, and i would encourage others to do it as well but i

don't think you can indict airlines for trying to be concerned about the safety of their passengers when there are rockets falling near the airport. we have a recent airline incident and airlines need to be careful about their passengers. i don't question their decision. >> yeah, we'll see what the faa decides. that 24-hour period is about to end in the next few hours. we'll see what they decide to do, whether or not they lift the ban or they continue it another 24 hours. we'll see what they do. you heard tony blinken say the white house has not yet been informed by the faa of that decision. if you look at the fighting that's going on, and you have been to israel several times, you understand the nature of rockets coming in, missiles coming in, more than 2,000. israel has now responded. some are saying israel has gone too far. madeleine albright on this program yesterday said israel seems to be overreacting. you say? >> i say they have a right to defend themselves. hamas is intentionally trying to

destabilize the peace discussions between israel and the palestinian authority. they did that in 2010, and they're doing it again in 2014. now, when they do that, israel has a right to defend itself. the sad fact of this is that, you know, there are victims on both sides, and in a way israel is doing exactly what hamas wants it to do. hamas is trying to destabilize the peace process. they hoped to provoke a significant response by israel, which they have, and israel has that right, but for those of us who care deeply about ultimately finding a peaceful solution where an israel and a palestine can live side by side, this is very, very grievous to see what's happening. >> because there are some optimists -- and there are a whole lot of optimists i have to tell you, senator, in this part of the world, but there are some who believe that maybe something positive can emerge out of this and maybe that effort to achieve that so-called two-state solution, israel and palestine, could once again get off the

ground. are you among the optimists or the pest mists? >> well, wolf, you have to be on optimist. even in the darkest times what you can say is we're either going to find a peaceful two-state solution as the u.n. intended in 1947, it's been the u.s. policy since then. we affirmed it in the oslo accords. we're either going to do that and resist the efforts of hamas or others who want to pull that apart or we're going to -- what we've seen in the last two weeks is what we're likely to see for a very long time, grieving parents, dead kids, rocket attacks, destruction, and that is not a path forward. so as hard as the path to a peaceful solution may be, and it begins with a cease-fire, and then it begins with the parties back at the negotiating table, as hard as that path is, we've seen that the other path is even harder, is even more dangerous, is even more destructive, and hopefully that will hold a mirror up to all and want to have folks get back to the

table. wolf, tomorrow in israel a new president will be taking the place of shi mon perez and the new israeli president has said he doesn't believe in the need for a palestinian state. so you have hamas who does not want to recognize israel. you have some in israel who say they don't think there should be an independent state of palestine, but if you play that logic down the road, i think it only leads to more destruction and more tragedy. so hopefully this will raise a mirror to israel, to palestine, to the world, hamas will stop the unprovoked rocket attacks, there can be a cease-fire where issues like the blockade of gaza can be discussed, and then we can find a path forward. >> we want to turn your attention if we can to the tragedy of the downing of flight mh-17. i want to get your take on the latest u.s. intelligence assessment of the situation on the ground because there are still a lot of unanswered questions. most specifically i think is key, have you seen any evidence that directly ties the downing

of that plane to russia? >> i have not seen any evidence to suggest that there was a russian with his finger on the trigger saying, you know, we are going to bring this plane down, but what we have seen i think is very credible evidence that the weapons systems themselves were russian supplied, that their weapons systems that are very difficult to operate without sophisticated training. in all likelihood that training was provided by russian s and w the separatists called russian leaders, they didn't have to look up their numbers in the phone book, they called them up and said, hey, here is what we've done. all that evidence suggestions that russian fingerprints are all other this incident and the effort by vladimir putin and others to deny it is going to be seen through. >> you said it suggests that russian fingerprints are all over it. do you think that the world needs more definitive evidence? do you think the world will get more definitive proof that

russia is more involved rather than just suggesting that they were somehow influencing the situation? >> well, i would say -- i use the word suggest, but, look, it is clear to me beyond a reasonable doubt. >> okay. >> and, yes, i believe more evidence will come out that will make absolutely plain that the downing of this airline was russian. now, it may have been a mistake. it looks like the separatists thought it was going to be a military plane and then it turned out to be a passenger airline but that's no excuse for the behavior, and watching the outrageous treatment of the crash site, of the human remains, the kind of lying campaign that putin has engaged in, i think all of this is going to demonstrate to the nations of the world that russia is very dangerous and that the ukrainian people's desire to move closer to europe, which is what provoked the reactions and the demonstrations last fall, it's a very understandable desire to

merge closer with europe. i hope the downing of the plane will also make the european nations decide to be more serious about sanctions against russia, especially in the energy sector because it's energy that russia is trying to hold as a club over other nations' heads to buy friendship. we ought to be working with european nations to help them find alternative energy paths. >> let's talk about that, senator, because you may hope they'll do more but they've shown no sign, in fact, that they will. european leaders have been meeting this week and a lot of people like you expected them to finally step up and issue some much more stiff sanctions that would hurt russia, hurt the energy sector there, perhaps hurt vladimir putin some kind of way at least diplomatically. take france. france has a billion dollar deal with warships to sell to russia. they're going ahead with it. i know you're a senator from virginia, not versailles but what is your message to france about this? >> well, look, being too closely associated with russia is going to lead to problems.

russia is using energy to try to buy friends but then they try to exercise influence in way that is destabilize the nations that they're trying to influence. that's what the ukraine example suggests, and i do think that there's eu meetings going on right now and then there's a very important nato summit in wales at the end of august, and i think eu discussions and the nato discussion in wales is going to produce a stiffer resolve in europe to try to face off and not just kowtow to russia. so on the energy side, here is what we should do. the united states should be helping europe to develop their own energy resources. we should be exploring whether strategic export of liquid natural gas from the u.s. can help european nations wean themselves away from russian energy. there are other partners like algeria, for example, that wants to build a new energy pipeline under the mediterranean to supply europe. we ought to be helping european nations find other suppliers. these are all things that we can do.

russi russia is a rust belt economy with natural resources. if we can reduce the reliance of other countries on their natural resources, that's the thing we can most do that would affect the russian economy and hopefully curb this kind of completely outrageous aggression by putin. >> i think on the part of the united states and the part of the europeans, you say this is what we can do, but what will congress do i think is what the focus needs to be going forward because obviously the united states' economic ties to russia are not nearly as strong as those of europe. >> that's correct. >> but the united states does still hold quite a bit of influence in the u.s. congress still holds quite a bit of influence over there. >> right, and i think economic sanctions is likely what you'll see congress embrace. but you're right, they're going to be much more effective if european nations join with us in those sanctions. >> nsenator, thank you very muc for your time. >> absolutely. other news we're following. >> here is a look at the headlines for you. the legal fight over obamacare

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love and support for those who were lost. 200 people from the netherlands were lost on this flight, the most of any country. today is the day they begin their journey back home, but it won't be a simple journey, nothing has been simple so far in this, but how many bodies we're not sure. which bodies are they is not an easy a question to answer as you might think but there are experts involved who are helping and hopefully it will get done right. let's help understand that process better. with us i have dr. frank van der holt. was i even close? forensic pathologist. i'm sorry that the conversation is about this but your expertise is very needed. take us through it. we were at the crime scene. we saw the bodies there and how they were mistreated but eventually put into body bags, now in coffins. how do you go about figuring out which body belongs to which family? >> well, very first although it's a huge amount of losses, we

know who they are. it's a distinct list. >> reporter: the list of possibilities. >> yes. meaning that everyone we find belongs to that list. first of all, what i do is open up the first body bag, just look who is inside. it's male, it's female, how long is he, how big is he? is he old, is he young? that's the very first step. blue eyes, blond hair, whatever. >> reporter: it assumes they're intact, though. >> that's for the intact parts. second, tattoos, scars, jewelry. third, dental records. and, last, dna. >> reporter: and then -- so last becomes dna. if you have body that is are difficult to work with, the forensic pathology becomes very important. what do you do? >> if they come in, we have to just have to look at all the parts, describe the parts. if there are distinct scars on it. could be very typical for one specific person.

dna is, of course, a very good instrument to distinguish -- to look for who it is, but the bodies were in very close contact with each other and you have to take -- you have to be absolutely sure it belongs to the body part you're investigating. >> reporter: so based on what we've seen, you're going to have to do a lot of this the difficult way, the more -- the long you are duration way. how long could this process take? if a body is just intact, i think within a few hours you know who it is. but we must be 100% sure. i don't think in the next coming days the first one will be identified. i think this three or four days the first one can be released until the last of the entire group is identified will take weeks if not months. >> reporter: so now, doctor, what happens when you get to the point where all the bags are accounted for and you look at the list, and there are names that are still there?

you know in eastern ukraine not only do you have an active conflict zone, two ukrainian fighter jets just shot down today, but that crime scene has been so abused. >> yes. >> reporter: would you have to go? would they still be there? would that be a step that would simply be necessary to bring closure? >> i'm afraid we're not going to find everyone. looking at the fact that there are many body parts, if there are still body parts left on places no one has ever looked, well, there are almost for certain gone due to animal activity. >> reporter: and neglect. if they had locked down the scene right away and done it the right way, the way forensic experts would, you would have a much better chance. >> i know. but looking at the circumstances, i'm very happy, very glad that at least they've found this group. it could be better. we want as much as possible, but i also want the safety of the entire team, and until we've got everyone out and afterwards we

can look how things could have been better, et cetera, but first of all we want to get as much as possible and then away from the zone. >> reporter: the horrible part is, and it's such important work that you do, but you know for the families involved, the tragedy is complete, the pain is complete. they take such solace from getting a body, from getting remains so they have some part of their loved one back. it's going to be very difficult in this situation but thank you for telling us how the work will go and i wish you very good luck. >> thank you. >> reporter: i'm going to go back to new york now. guys, the bodies are coming back now. there is going to be a ceremony, it will be solemn. it will pay the respect these victims have deserved from the beginning and haven't gotten and even that will give a little bit of measure to the families. >> the difficult process of healing and coming to grips with this situation just beginning. >> right. just coming to grips with the reality that -- it's just unbelievable. chris, thanks so much. coming up next on "new day,"

we're going to have much more from amsterdam including a mother, a grandmother, and an uncle. you see them all right there. they're grieving the loss of two boys, brothers, who were on that flight killed on flight 17 when it went down. the anguished family sharing their memories, really showing just unbelievable strength and their message. you'll hear that coming up. we all eat foods that are acidic ... we all have risk of acid erosion. there's only so much enamel, and everybody needs to do something about it now if they want to preserve their teeth. i recommend pronamel. it helps strengthen the tooth and makes it more resistant to acid breakdown. having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pick-up truck slams into your brand new car. one second it wasn't there and the next second...

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yasmeen ka lecalehr. we spoke to them and asked them how they begin to deal with who has been taken from them. >> it's just indescribable. we're all in a haze. we're so numb, we're so sad, and, of course, we keep thinking about the most important thing, how much did the kids suffer and we just hope and pray they didn't, it was all over very quickly. >> samira, i know that i don't want you to have to talk. i'm sorry you even have to listen to this, i really am. i know you want to be here to support your boys. i'm sorry to have to talk about how they were gone, but i want them to be remembered and yasmine, i'm sorry, i know this is difficult but i don't want them to be forgotten. i want people to know how special these boys were so it's not just about politics so i'm sorry you have to be here for this and harun i appreciate you speaking for them. >> absolutely. >> is it true that the young one started talking about flying and being worried and what might happen and that your family believed he may have sensed something coming? is that true? >> yeah. you know, whether you want to

call it a premonition or whatever, but, i mean, the eerie thing was that right before getting on the flight after going through passport control, he ran back to his mom, my sister, who is standing next to me, and he said, you know, what's going to happen if the plane is going to crash and i'm going to die? i'm afraid to fly. and she said don't worry, you have flown so many times before on your own. you've been unaccompanied minor on many flights before. you will be safe. your big brother is there. everything will be fine. and he said, you know, what's going to happen if i die and what if god asks me a question, what should i tell him? when you think back on it, it's incredibly sad and i wish we had been able to stop him from getting on that plane. >> reporter: you can't do that. samira, i hope you're not doing that. kids say things all the time but it's not fair to you. it's true there's a third boy and there was no seat available on this flight otherwise he would have been on it also. >> correct.

>> reporter: but he's home, he's safe. >> he's home but he's devastated. we're very worried about him. he's 16 years old and he lost two of his best friends. >> reporter: i know one of the reasons that it's important for you to speak for your family is because of what happened after this completely wrong act of taking this plane out of the sky, the disrespect, the indignity, how it's being treated there by these militants, but what does that mean to you that not only were their lives taken so wrongfully but everything that happened afterwards? >> that's probably the biggest insult -- adding insult to injury. i understand this is a war zone and there's a lot of animosity between the parties, but these people behaved like animals. our kids and the 296 other victims, they were not part and parcel of this horrible war that's going on over there. they had nothing to do with this. they're innocent parties and it's sacrilegious what was going on with their remains and they should have been treated more respectfully. >> reporter: how are you handling or preparing to handle

the idea of whether your boys come back now? do you prepare for that? >> that's what we pray for, that at least we'll have something to hold onto, something to put in a grave. >> reporter: i am sorry to meet you this way. >> so am i. i appreciate it though. >> samira, our heart goes out to you. i'm so sorry for what you have lost and yasmine. >> thank you. and thanks cnn to show the world what never should have been shown. it's not just us. it is people crying every minute for the same reasons we are crying. when i see you and everybody and the flowers, there is always hope, and we have to move on. i don't know how, but we have to because they were incredible kids. i just told you, they were just incredible. we never knew how many lives they touched until now.

we thought it was just us, but it's amazing. so they haven't lived for nothing and i thank all of you to try to help us through this process. >> reporter: yasmine is strong and so much perspective and she said to me afterwards that she really does hope that people do look at this situation not just to point fingers but to realize that no matter how it happened, it was wrong, and that every time there is an act of violence like this, the reverberations of who is hurt by it go well beyond even the number of victims. we thank them very much, and there's so many families like them who have lost something that can't be replaced, and today begins the process hopefully of them being able to find some closure and bury their loved ones. we don't know. we don't know who is coming home yet and who isn't. we're going to hear a lot of stories like this, and we thank them for sharing theirs with us this morning. back to you guys. >> sad but also inspiring to

hear that grandmother say, there's always hope. >> i know. it just really sticks with you -- she says where is humanity going? but then she still says she sees hope. i mean, that is quite a message in the midst of what they're all going through. chris, thanks so much. we're going to get back out there shortly. coming up next on "new day" we'll turn to the other big story we're all keeping our eye on. secretary of state john kerry is in jerusalem trying to help broker a peace between israel and hamas, bring some peace to gaza. will a lasting agreement be reached this time? wolf blitzer is going to be speaking with a spokesman for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu shortly. we'll be right back.

secretary of state john kerry is in jerusalem making urgent visits to leaders on both sides of the middle east conflict. he's calling for an immediate cease fire. there's no stopping the bloodshed though right now. the palestinian death toll is now up to 649 according to palestinian authorities in gaza. 32 israelis have been killed, all but 3 of them israeli soldiers. joining us now is mark regev, the spokesman for the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. i want to get to all of that in a moment, mark, but first of all, the faa decision to suspend u.s. airlines from flying in and out of ben gurion airport, that 24-hour suspension is about to end. has the government of israel been notified yet from the u.s. government, the faa, if it wants to continue that suspension or end it?

>> -- of any final decision on the american side. i can tell you the following, i drove into tel aviv this morning, i passed that ben gurion airport, i saw flights taking off, i saw flights landing, that airport is fu functioning, that airport is running, and most importantly that airport is secure. it's one of the most protected facilities in my country. with all this conflict, not one rocket has fallen inside the airport, not on the terminal, not on the runway and that's because that airport is protected by a multifaceted, multilayer defense perimeter, defense package that makes sure that anyone flying into or out of israel is safe. >> but you know the faa points out that yesterday a rocket did land about a mile outside of ben gurion airport. they say their ground rules are basically that if a rocket hits an area so close to an airport,

they have to investigate. they have to err on the side of caution and suspend flights. you say? >> i say we knew about that rocket. we were tracking it for about three minutes, our air force. we could have taken it down, but because we saw that it wasn't going to hit inside the airport, we let it through. one of the marvels of the anti-missile system that we have, that iron doan system, is you can track exactly where the incoming rocket is going to hit and then you make a choice of whether you want to take it down or not. any incoming rocket that would hit the airport, as i say the terminals or the runway, that would be immediately taken out by our system, and once again i say with pride, i think israel is recognized as a global leader in aviation security and aviation safety, both for our air terminal and for our aircraft themselves, and we take pride in that. once against our airport is

working and our airport is safe and i invite the american carriers to return as soon as they're ready. >> was that a mistake though to not use that iron dome and knock out that rocket that landed a mile outside the airport? with hindsight, was it a mistake not to blow it up in the sky? >> i don't know. obviously there were no casualties from that attack, but let's be clear here, we are now having a dialogue, our aviation security people are having a dialogue with the american counterparts, with the american aviation security people. we're being totally transparent. we want a professional to professional dialogue and we believe that our airport is as safe as any airport in the united states. we've taken all these tips that need to be done to make sure that air traffic coming in and going out of israel is absolutely safe and i'm sure of that. >> what's the status of the effort to get an immediate cease fire? we know the secretary of state

john kerry is in israel right now. what's the status of that effort? how close is he, the egyptians, others at brokering a deal? >> well, as you know, rockets continued to be fired on israeli cities today, and that's probably the largest and most important factor because hamas up until now has rejected all attempts to bring about a cease-fire. israel accepted an egyptian proposal for a cease-fire about a week ago. we ceased all hostile fire against gaza. we stopped targeting the terrorists in gaza. you were with me that morning. we held our fire for six hours and hamas kept shooting at israel. since then there were two or three other humanitarian cease fires to allow the red cross to do its job, to allow the u.n. to do humanitarian assistance. we honored all those cease fires and hamas either rejected them or violated those cease fires. so i think the ball is clearly in hamas' court. >> if hamas does stop launching rockets and missiles into

israel, will israel stop its military operation in gaza? >> wolf, our goal is clear, our goal is a sustained peace and security, an end to those rockets coming in from the gaza strip at our cities, an end to those terrorists tunneling under the border to come to our side of the frontier and shoot and kill people with weapons and explosives. we want a sustained period of quiet for our people so they don't have to live in fear of those incoming rockets or terror attacks from gaza. if that can be achieved through diplomacy, we will embrace that. >> mark regev is the spokesman for benjamin netanyahu. mark, thanks very much for joining us. let me go back to kate in new york. kate, i have to tell you the tension level here is still quite high. everyone seems to be wondering in the next few hours whether or not the faa will or will not lift that ban on u.s. flights

coming into ben gurion airport. we'll stay on top of the story. >> and also what will secretary of state john kerry be able to do to try to move this situation along. we'll see. wolf, thanks so much. wolf blits blitzer continuing h great report on the ground. investigators are looking at flight 17's black boxes. can they figure out who brought down the plane from this information. how is this process going to proceed? are experts are weighing in. our.

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part of the investigation. this isn't the entire investigation, but this is an important part. these are the black boxes that were sent to the united kingdom. let's start off with the most simple aspect. what can they learn from black boxes even before -- can they learn anything before they open them up? do you think there will be forensic analysis of the exterior? >> that's part of it, yes, but that's not really going to give them much information. there's more information about that in the structure of the aircraft which is still there, what's left of it. >> exactly. >> but these boxes will give a couple pieces of valid information. as the trials progress in the future if they find out who to hold accountable, if there's lawsuits against malaysia airlines, all that information, that will really affect the case because if there was an attempt to communicate with the aircraft before hand and they didn't react, of course that proves liability -- >> two different things you have here. you have the flout data recorder. you also have the cockpit voice recorder. >> right. >> you have two different types of analysis that you have got between these two boxes. i even read they may even be

able to figure out the trajectory of where the missile was coming from from these? >> yes, what i was saying in that realm is that you can actually from this it will tell you exactly what flight attitude the aircraft was, if it's flying up, down, left, right. from that you can know when the missile hit the aircraft and you can align the impact point of the shrapnel and where it exits from the aircraft. if you align those two points tracking that back you can get a general vicinity -- >> what are the limitations of all this? what are the limitations of the information? >> as far as the physical movements and what's gone on physically on the aircraft, very few limitations. there's 10,000 data points in this box. that gives you almost everything you need to know about the movement of the aircraft. in the cockpit voice recorder however, all that is is two hours of what has gone on. the noises and the sounds in the cockpit. you can actually identify which switches have been turned on or off from what's on this

recording. >> and you can hear if the pilots had any idea this was coming their way. >> that's correct. >> i want to get your quick take also on this is an image that was released by the u.s. government. this is taking a look at -- this is a satellite image of where they believe is the trajectory of the missile and, of course, where the plane was going. why is this important? >> this is important because we can identify whether the pilot would have seen it coming or not as far as how much time. if you look at the distance on this from here to here, this is the -- the closure rate, if this is going approximately 500 miles an hour, this missile -- this is a math problem you had as a kid. so you end up with 3,000 miles per hour closure rate. so this is approximately 20 miles. that means that from here to here was 16 seconds. >> 16 seconds from the moment it was launched so the moment that it made impact. >> from the moment the button was pushed to the moment it impacted the aircraft. not much time.

>> not much time at all. david, a lot of information being released but a lot of information that we still don't know and that comes back to these black boxes and any of these images we're getting from the u.s. government and other intelligence sources. john? >> thanks so much, kate. next up for us, much more on flight 17 and the breaking news that two ukrainian fighter jets were just shot down in rebel-controlled territory. "newsroom" with carol costello picks up after this very short break. unlimited cash back. let that phrase sit with you for a second. unlimited. as in, no limits on your hard-earned cash back. as in no more dealing with those rotating categories. the quicksilver card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase, every day. don't settle for anything less. i'll keep asking. what's in your wallet? i'll keep asking.

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