290 innocent people on board was shot down of the u.s. navy. at the time the u.s. government refused to apologize. it's an incredible story and very relevant in light of what is happening now. it's tomorrow out front. it's tomorrow out front. thanks for joining us. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. thanks for joining us. on malaysia airlines flight 17, we begin not there but a different place, a different place from the fields where 298 people came to rest, their names you see at the bottom of the screen for the next two hours. a different place from where they lay seemingly forever, surrounded by armed thugs, by political posturing and propaganda. a different world from the war zone that created the conditions in which 298 men, women and children can be blown from the sky, a different place from imaginable. the coffins bearing some remains

of the 298 people finally arrived in the netherlands. they arriveed to a nation in mourning, the country stunned by the horror of the loss. 40 coffins carrying the first victims of flight 17. the king and queen of the netherlands were there to greet them, so were the people who loved them. no one yet knows exactly which victims these are. a day of national mourning in the netherlands, a day of grief and sorrow around the world. today, finally, there was dignity. ♪ ♪ >> a bugle's call followed by a moment of silence.

then, one by one each wooden coffin loaded into waiting hearses. it was a 60-mile journey to the first leg of a long journey home. tens of thousands lined the route on the highways cars stopped to watch and at overpasses, scattered applause as the solum procession passed underneath. ♪ ♪ >> in churches throughout the netherlands, prayers were said.

[speaking foreign language]. >> translator: please be with them and stay with them, god, give them lights in the darkness. >> music helped mourners begin to heal. ♪ ♪ ♪ making flowers out of rain ♪ while darkness takes the afternoon ♪ ♪ i know that they won't last forever ♪ ♪ but real ones fade away too soon ♪

♪ i still cry sometimes when i think of you ♪ ♪ i still cry sometimes when i feel it ♪ >> the coffins arrived nearly four hours after landing to roses tossed gently towards the hearses. ♪ ♪ >> this was just the beginning, the beginning of the identification process, the beginning of more arrivals still to come. it was an extraordinary thing to witness. according to nick paton walsh, authorities expect 74 coffins to depart tomorrow. joining us from amsterdam, michelle from the dutch paper and aviation correspondent richard quest. michelle, let me start with you.

you knew people on board flight mh-17 and as a citizen of the netherlands, what was it like to be there on this first national day of mourning in some 50 years? >> i've never seen my people as much in shock as today. i think this is -- when the airplane was shot down, it was a day since the second world war that as many people died in one day because of an act of war as last thursday, and for me today, my neighbor died, he was the famous hiv researcher and senator for parliament, an acquaintance of mine and i had a feeling i was very close to them and sitting at the office of my newspaper this afternoon and watched it on television when the airplanes arrived at the

airport and i really was very moved and i've seen people in tears. many of my colleges are very often very noisy people. they were all so quiet, they were all probably in tears or very emotional. >> michelle, richard quest and i had the privilege of anchoring our coverage for about two hours this afternoon as the hearses made the procession and it was just extraordinary, richard talked about a sense of community that, you know, the people who were lining the roads, the family members there, they didn't know who was in those coffins, but it didn't -- it almost didn't matter. there was this sense of being together and i certainly had the sense that it goes beyond just the netherlands, the sense of community really was something today that all those who were watching around the world today truly, truly felt, and you must feel that very strongly there

right now. >> yeah, it's -- holland used to be a very church-going country 50 years ago and today it was like the times of the past return. people were united. they were standing on the roads throwing flowers to the cars with the coffins, and it was like in a movie. actually, i couldn't see my eyes when i saw all those people being united everywhere and actually, it seems last thursday people we had everywhere like that. >> richard, again, you and i watched this along with the world for much of this afternoon, and i keep coming back to the word you use, community, and just the enormity of the moment. >> as i said at the time, today we were all dutch, we were all german, new zealand, canada,

british, german, malaysians, australians, indonesia, fillipinos, today we were all those countries, our individual national identities were the same as we join something far greater and what that greatness was was the reclaiming of decency and the reclaiming of principle and value because no matter how heinous the act that had taken place that caused these people to parish or how they had been treated, body bags on trains across central eastern europe, today we were able to say no, this is what we stand for. so on one point, i don't know whether you feel the same way, but at one point, it was the most difficult of assignments to talk this through but frankly, it was also one of the easiest because you had to look at it and it wrote and spoke itself. >> michelle, one of the things i

tweeted out this afternoon is thank god for the netherlands, the way you came together and the way your country showed such dignity and such grace and particularly it shines so brightly, opposed to the horror that we have witnessed, not just in the act of the shooting down of this plane, but the horror of the day after day of the way the victims of this crash have been treated really up until, up until today, up until this moment. >> and you're completely right. you have seen the speech foreign minister gave in the security counsel, and it was also a very emotional speech. it was a speech about decency, about respect, about humanity and that's the thing which does exist in eastern ukraine at the time being. >> and it's one of the things we replayed, in fact, today in the

coverage, richard and i honestly can't even repeat what the foreign minister said. i can't get through it because i find it so moving to this moment. >> you'll forgive me if i do remind you what he said. as they -- after the attack happened, let us try and imagine what those people were going through, did they lock hands for that last moment? there a silent glance between them as they had a silent good-bye? did they hold their children more closely as they realized the end might be close? you can't help but recognize that this is the call. politicians are elected for a purpose. france timmerman said we are elected. >> michelle, it also is stunning when you consider this is just the first, this is just the beginning, there are, i believe, two more planes said to be

arriving tomorrow. this is just the beginning of this process that will take weeks, if not months in some cases. do you know what happens tomorrow? i mean, is tomorrow is not a national day of mourning, it's not, correct? >> no, tomorrow two other planes will land. i think one of them will take 75 bodies to holland and there will be a small ceremony, but it will be the same ceremony as there has been today. there will be present one cabinet minister, there will be present several officials from the government. of course, the king and queen will be there and the prime minister also but the whole ceremony with this military and police being present will be the same as today. and they will also drive in a convoy to this military base where they are going to proceed

with the identification of the bodies. >> unless anybody thinks that this is in any shape or form moving to a closure or a conclusion, 74 coffins will be returned to the netherlands, 40 came back today but they are coffins. we do not know how many victims are inside. it's gruesome, it's distasteful, it has to be faced that there may still be -- there probably are still recoveries to be made. >> we know that for a fact. one of the osc monitors today in an interview i saw said that he was out at the site, one of the sites and saw people still out there. we don't know how many, and again, there is still a lot to learn. we're going to play some of that, what the foreign minister said later on in the broadcast because i want people to hear, michelle, what your foreign minister said at the united

nations. it was just such a powerful statement of humanity in the face of all this. michelle, i appreciate you being on and again, my thanks and i think the thanks of many people for the way your country and your countrymen have handled this. thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> richard will stay with us for a moment. i want to go to ukraine where ivan watson spent the day at amazingly the all but abandoned crash site or one of them. you were there. what was it like today? >> as you said, it felt very much abandoned. i was struck that on a day when the dutch were coming out and showing such grace, after the entire world had been calling for free access to this crash site, even saying the united nations counsel calling for it, the sight itself had no security whatsoever. i did not see any investigators

working through the ruins. in fact, much of the debris clearly has been removed in some of the areas, just within the last 48 hours. we know that this site has been contaminated again and again and again over the last six days. again, no protection whatsoever, just wreckage and burned grass in these farm fields of eastern ukraine. the only people at sunset kind of remotely keeping an eye on the area were villagers living nearby that seemed to have gone back to farming. so yes, a place where these people died last thursday, very much feeling abandoned and ignored right now. >> i mean, this is really extraordinary to hear this and again, it points to the value and importance of actually going and reporting and going to the front lines as nobody does better than ivan watson but

ivan, what is to be done? if you can get out to this search area, why are there not any international bodies out there or international bodies is the wrong word, any international monitors or investigators or at the very least people there to search for the dead, to search for the victims? there may be as many as 98 to 100 victims laying out there at various scenes, sites throughout that crash zone. what is -- where are they? >> i don't have an easy answer for that, anderson. we know the international monitors from the osce are making daily visits out there. we know there have been ukrainian government, aviation experts able to go visit, even though the separatists are at war with the ukrainian government and don't recognize it. we know that there have been some forensics experts, members

of the malaysian delegation that have gone out to the crash site but the fact is, is that you have the giant tail of this doomed plane just laying in a farm field and other scraps of this plane just kind of daunting the surrounding farm fields. if there is any perhaps consolation, this corner of ukraine is a beautiful area. they are rolling fields. it is nice and there perhaps may be some peace in that, but, no, i do not see what we had heard was supposed to be the world's biggest criminal investigation crime scene. >> and richard quest, i'm not etch talking about investigating the crime scene, i'm not even talking about looking through wreckage, i'm talking about 98 souls, 100 souls, as many as somebody making an effort to bring them home.

>> it's inconceivable what ivan is telling us tonight. it's inconceivable it's being so difficult but i'm guessing and ivan can confirm or otherwise that the issue is safety. the issue is a war that continues in the very region and -- >> but ivan, you're saying, osc monitors can go to this site and are getting access from what i've been told. they are not obviously trained or even equipped with body bags, with anything to pick up the dead, but getting some people out there to bring back the remains with body bags, that is not a -- that complicated under taking if osc monitors can get there, you would think some teams of forensic investigators could get out there to at least, again, bring these men and women and children and infants in some

cases home. >> again, i don't have an easy answer for this. i do have to stress that, okay, this crash site the focus of so much attention, yes, you can travel freely to it but other parts of the surrounding region are not easy to move around. anderson, today, just about a half hour's drive away from where the remains of flight mh-17 are laying in farm fields, the separatists shot down two ukrainian war planes, fighter jets. they shot them down they say with shoulder mounted surface to air missiles. so if you can imagine, this place where this commercial airliner with all these innocent victims were killed, overhead we were hearing throughout the day the roar of war planes very high overhead and other planes were shot down just six days later. the ukrainian government says it was at an altitude of 5,000

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as hard as it is to consider what the families are going through, it's hard to talk about and honor, inspiration to speak with some of them. we want to continue to honor them by showing you their names at the bottom of the screen tonight. we had the privilege and awe struck at the generosity and love that survives inside people who have been through so much.

chris cuomo discovered this morning. >> reporter: i'm standing with a family. his two enough fnephews were lo. this is their mother, this is their grandmother. how difficult has this been to lose the little ones? to lose the one you care about the most and in a way where they were not only far away but everything that followed afterwards, how have you managed to stay together, the family? >> i don't know honestly, chris. it's adrenaline. we're in a haze. we're so numb, so sad. we keep thinking about the most important thing, how much did they suffer and hope and pray it didn't. >> i'm sorry to meet you this way, thank you so much. >> appreciate it. >> our heart goes out to you, i'm so sorry for what you've lost and yasmine. >> thank you and thanks cnn to show the world what never should

have been shown. it's not just us, it is people crying every minute for the same reason we are crying. i don't know where humanity is going but when i see you and even and the flowers, there is always hope, and we have to move on, i don't know how but we have to because they were incredible kids. i just told you, they were just incredible. we never knew how many lives they touched until now. >> as we mentioned earlier, 74 coffins will be returning from ukraine tomorrow in audition to the 40 today. the remaining being examined and identified at a dutch military base in audition to being our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta received training in forensic medicine. he joins us from the netherlands. sanjay, how difficult is this identification process? obviously, there is a whole range of what authorities there

are going to have to deal with right now. >> yeah, there is no question. lots of different groups of people involved. this isn't standard sort of autopsy. in someways, when you do an autopsy, there is three things to establish, which is cause of death, the manner of death and name, identification of the person. here you have a pretty good idea of the cause and manner of death. so this is really about identification. we know that there were 40 coffins brought, for example, here to the netherlands, but we don't know what that represents, how many souls, how many different people that could be more than 40, less than 40. so just the basics like that need to be established. but i'll tell you in someways, it's surprisingly simple. there is basic things, anderson, you want to look at things like clothing, identifying body marks, piercings, tattoos try to try and make identifications.

dental records become increasingly important because we heard so much about the idea the remains, there may have been contamination of the sight that could interfere with things like dna analysis, fingerprint analysis, dental records, a simple thing, something that's been a gold standard will be much more likely used here, anderson. >> it's difficult to hear and talk about this but family members have already been briefed on all of this by dutch officials. i spoke to one family member a man who lost two of his nephews on board the flight who said dutch officials were very blunt with them and he actually appreciated that, that they went through in great detail how the identification process would take place. they already took dna samples. is there a sense how long it may take for the identification process to be complete? certainly, on those people who have actually been recovered because of course, there are still others who are still out in eastern ukraine.

>> right. yeah, well, you know, on the first point, the situation just imagine these families getting calls, they want to make sure the families get one call, that the investigators don't have to go back to the house over and over again, so they do need to be blunt in terms of trying to obtain sort of identifying features of the person but also dental records, possibly dna, even if they can't find dna of the individual in question, they can use certain programs to take dna from relatives and make a match that way. taking that into account. it's hard to say how long that will take. they have large temporary morgues to accomplish this work. you have some 75 investigator tors on the ground doing this sort of thing. the tripoli plane crash in 2010, they took about 30 days to get back positive identifications. so it's a little open question. >> sanjay, good to have you

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welcome back. it bears repeating in light of ivan watson's reporting in ukraine. it can't be said enough. everything happening there is such a contrast to what is happening in the netherlands today. the same is true for the voice and data recordings and handed over in a circus of a ceremony yesterday morning. they are now in great britain being carefully, quietly analyzed by international investigators, joining us with more is max foster in london. what conditions, do we know, are the black boxes in? >> they arrived. the voice recorder is the first assessed. it was damaged but they opened it up and downloaded the data and will start going through the data as of tomorrow. the other box, the flight's data recorder, they will start working on that tomorrow, as well. it's a slower process than it would normally be because the dutch leading this investigation

asked this british team to be careful looking for signs the boxes were tampered with in any way. they are being careful about how they sort of access the boxes and then look at the information inside. >> i understand you spoke with the british security source who said that there was evidence that separatists at one point had talked about actually handing over the black boxes to russia. >> well, it's interesting because speaking to security sources here in london, there is a degree of frustration with the whole investigation to quote one of them, the main suspects in the shooting down of mh-17 had unrestricted access to a crime scene for more than five days. huge amounts of frustration. you can see this in the language they come back to me with, and what they are doing is looking at the information in front of them, intelligence and saying they find particularly persuasive, conversations intercepted by ukrainian

security services. and in those conversations, which as they say, are persuasive in their opinion, you hear the separatists talking about moving bodies on the site, bringing parts of other planes to confusie the situation and make the investigation harder and sending the boxes to moscow. so there is a real concern we're not going to get the full truth, even at the end of the investigation because it was so compromised at the start. >> it continues to be. as analysts try to collect evidence from the flight 17 incident, there are also investigating the downing of two ukrainian military planes. they are looking into the possibility missiles were fired from the russian side of the boarder. meanwhile, there is a troop buildup with tens of thousands of russian troops within five miles. barbara starr joins me from the pentagon. what do we know about this

buildup? >> good evening anderson. there are 12 to 15,000 russian troops on the boarder and in the last several days they moved very close, less than five miles from the border in some cases, some broke into small groups right on the boarder with eastern ukraine. why are they doing this? the u.s. intelligence community believes that russians may be positioning themselves to be able indeed to fire from their side of the boarder. surface to air missiles, rockets, artillery, what have you. if they can do that and stay on their side of the boarder and fire into ukraine and the rebel held areas, they can carry out attacks and have plausible deniability. all of this goes to the point that vladimir putin's military forces not behaving like the community of nations do behave in in europe and the west, certainly. there is a lot of concern about it. they don't know what will happen next. >> is there anything new on the

shootdown of mh-17. >> they now calculate when the missile was launched against the aircraft, that missile flue pew perhaps for less than ten seconds and the plane broke into so many pieces and everything fell to the ground. so it was a very short engagement. the fire control radar from the missile launcher locked onto the plane, launched the missile and basically it was all over in ten seconds. >> extraordinary it happen that fast. >> we'll continue to follow developments on flight 17 throughout this and the next hour, as well. we're on until the 10:00 hour tonight. when we come back, growing controversy, over the faa's decision to ground flights to tel aviv for another day.

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the faa extended its ban on u.s. airlines flying to and from tel aviv. the ban is stretched to tomorrow afternoon and put in place after a rocket hit a mile from the airport. the airport is in business, however, despite u.s. and many european airlines cancelling flights. a hamas spokesman saying stopping traffic is a great victory for resistance.

israel's government says the airport is safe and former new york major michael bloomberg agrees and spoke with wolf blitzer along with the mayor of that city. >> you cannot shut down everything just because one terrorist someplace on the other side of the world says i'm going to be a threat. >> here is what folks will say, you're a pilot, we know, but these are experts at the faa. are you suggesting that the faa is being politicized. >> i have no idea. you have to call the faa. >> in their statement -- >> i didn't write the statement. i don't know what they said and i can't p you can't put words in my mouth. >> the faa is well-meaning. it's a great organization and make airlines and airports safe in america but not as safe as nlr and the fact that one rocket falls far away from this airport, a mile away doesn't mean you should shut down air traffic into a country and paralyze the country.

>> cnn's aviation correspondent rene marsh joins me. the faa is coming under criticism with allegations being tossed around. have they responded? >> you know, anderson, they really are pushing back against this thought that there is some sort of political or politics playing into their decision to ban these flights here. they are saying this is strictly a security issue, and they spell it out in their announcement they made today when they extended that ban for another 24 hours. they essentially said the concern is the hazard that's created by the conflict going on in israel and gaza. again, they say this is about security, has nothing to do with politics. they have been working with the israeli government to make sure that the risks that they feel that u.s. aircrafts could face is mitigated before they open up that airport and say it's okay to fly there once again. >> rene, is the faa the only agency that banned nation's

flights and is there any option for carriers to work around any kind of a ban if they wanted to, for u.s. carriers, if one of the airlines decided to, are they allowed to work around the ban? >> right, we did see today there was one italian airline that landed at an airport 150 miles south of the airport in tel aviv. they landed 14 flights there, again, one example of them working around the system, no word of any other airline doing that, we did pose this question to the faa saying look, is this a viable option and at this point, no indication it is. >> thank you very much. joining us now, analyst and pilot miles o'bryan. obviously, the faa has no influence on international carriers. >> right, the european equivalent of the faa, the european aviation safety authority, they have put out

their advisory but they only say they strongly recommend. >> right. >> european carriers don't go o to. british airways continue to fly into there. there is no ban on european carriers, although large numbers have chosen not to fly. >> miles, what do you make of this because israeli officials are saying look, this airport is perfectly safe? >> in the context of what we've seen with mh-17 it's probably a pr prudent thing to do. this is initiated by an airline, delta and other airlines followed and the faa physical l followed them. >> you're saying prudent because god forbid an airline is shot out of the sky, then there is going to be tremendous finger

pointing at the carrier saying well, you-all knew there were rockets. >> it wouldn't be safe to fly into london during the blitz. this is -- there is rockets in the air near the airport. is it prudent to fly in there right now? i think all due caution would tell you not to do that. >> except the israel lees say there is an iron dome system which defends the airport and approach and departure routes -- >> and these -- >> not a silver bullet. >> these are not guided missiles. these are rockets. >> these are rockets, right. >> i'm not sure that i agree with you on this. i don't, on this question of the airlines, the airlines can make their own risk assessment but it has to be governments that have the ultimate responsibility to say it is safe or it is not safe. otherwise, we end up with this patch work, luthansa is not flying, british airways is. >> it's interesting you should say that because in the wake of

the nuclear industry in this country gathered together and started doing self-policing and it has enhanced the safety of new clear operations in this country. what we've seen in the wake of mh-17 is the ceo who you're familiar with and have spoken with taking the lead and saying we the airlines need to start taking our own responsibility for the risk assessments. i don't think it's unreasonable for the airlines to take responsibility. >> the climate in washington is not surprising we're hearing from opponents of president obama saying this is part of his efforts. ted cruz released a statement saying the pacts suggest that president obama has just used a federal regulatory agency to launch an economic boycott on israel to force our ally to compile with his foreign policy demands. does the white house even have sway over the faa in these terms? >> i -- >> they have the potential to, as the white house press secretary said yesterday, we're not going to over rule the faa

on this issue, but it's not a question of whether they should or shouldn't. the faa is the responsible authority charged with looking into this and they have made their judgment rightly or wrongly. they have left some wriggle room, anderson. today's material was different from yesterday. it had a phrase in it saying the faa is looking at significant new information provided by the israelis. my guess is, that's the get out of jail free card. >> the idea ted cruz is saying directly that president obama wants an economic boycott of israel, there is absolutely no factual evidence of that, no case of that and the amount of money the united states gives to israel is huge for military purposes. so again, it's kind of a stunning statement. >> i don't see any evidence of this and god forbid that the political apparatus can control the faa in that manner, we're all in trouble in the skies if that happens. >> thank you.

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scope of it. the tragedy of malaysia airlines flight 17 is not only in the 298 lives lost so suddenly but also in the loved ones left behind, left to cope with their grief. he is known as bobby was a plight attendant for malaysia airlines. he swapped flights at the last moment so he could get home early. his father told reporters fate played him an unfair hand. bobby's wife was also a flight attendant. she narrowly missed going down with mh-370 months earlier, switching off that flight at the last minute. she left a message for her husband on facebook writing we know you are gone and won't be coming back. i wish you a safe journey and i know you will go to a much better place. ten-year-old miguel was on the flight with his older brother who was 19. they were going to boli to visit

their grandmother. he asked what happens when a plane crashes and clinging to her when he fell asleep the night before. miguel's family says the family is heart broken and loss. >> we have to move on. i don't know how but we have to because they were incredible kids. i just told you, they were just incredible. we never knew how many lives they touched until now. >> 29-year-old rob was traveling in europe for a month visiting r rottweiler breeders. when the news reached his family, your booked plane has been blown up literally, wherever you are, whatever mess you are finding yourself in, we would be delighted to hear you missed your flight. we would love to hear you're alive. he leaves behind a wife and two sons. they said rob is our everything, he will live forever in our

family. he was moving to boli to be with an woman. he was dancing before the flight. when christine was told about what happened, she posted a distraught message that said hope you will be fine, god, please, i beg you. nick norris was on vacation with his family including his three young grandchildren otis, mo and evie. grand dad nick was taking the kids back to australia himself. the pain is a hell beyond hell. they say our babies are not here with us w need to live with this act of horror every day in every moment for the rest of our lives. no one deserves what we are going through, not even the

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good evening. thanks very much for joining us and watching our special extended version of "360." looking for answers to the downing of flight 17. we begin not there but a different place, a different place from the fields where the 298 people came to rest, a different place from where they lay seemingly forever surrounded by armed thugs bordering an obscenity, a different war that created conditions in which 298 men, women and children could be blown from the sky. today, in quiet dignity, the coffins baring remains of the 298 people arrived in the netherlands. they arrived to a nation in mourning, the country stunned by the