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also the anguish and anger in gaza. women, children killed. a school shelter was hit. the question and controversy, though, is over who launched the attack, israel or hamas. we begin, though, the latest aviation disaster. another sadly and new images of people grieving loved ones, grieving tonight in france, algeria, and in southern lebanon. this woman showing photographs on her cell phone of her niece, her 5-year-old niece and her nephew. they and her sister-in-law among the 116 people aboard yet another airliner over another war zone that went down today. some were lebanese. 51 of the 116 were french nationals. this is what the plane looked like. an american made jet operate beside by a swash company swift air for algeria's national airline. the wreck spotted in the deserts of mali. also around dangerous weather. the facts may change. with that in mind, here is joe johns with what we know so far. >> reporter: wreckage of the plane has been located near the city of gao in the northern part of the country according to

mali's president who confirmed news of the discovery to reuters hours after it went missing. 1:17 it left bound for algiers. it was supposed to be a four-hour overnight flight. but about 50 minutes after takeoff, it disappeared from radar over mali. close to a zone of ongoing conflict between islamist rebels and the government, an area the faa had warned pilots to stay above 24,000 feet to avoid becoming a target. as of now, there is no indication the plane was hit by a missile. but the early indications suggested bad weather in the area may have contributed to the crash. air traffic controllers told the pilots to change course to avoid sand storms in a part of the world where conditions are breeding grounds for hurricanes. the military chief of staff for the burkina faso army, the plane ex-expressly asked to change itinerary because of the bad weather that may be a reason.

now there may be other hypotheses linked to other conditions, but we cannot at that time venture in that direction. the mcdonnell douglas plane was carrying at least 110 passengers plus six or seven crewmembers, including the pilot and copilot. about 50 of the people on board were reported to be from france. about 25 from burkina faso. a long list of nationalities on board. none was american. >> the governor in mali, do they have the sources needed to lead the investigation in this crash site? >> anderson, mali said it is launching an investigation into the crash, and we do know the government's transport ministry has some experience in this, a crash involving the same airline occurred this in march of 2003. and the transport ministry filed a complete report in that case. there was an engine failure on takeoff. 102 people died, and there was only one survivor, anderson. >> joe, i appreciate the update. france bearing a large share of

the pain of this crash. joining us from paris is isa suarez. obviously the reaction there has got to be stunned. >> oh, absolutely, anderson. 51 people, 51 french nationals aboard that flight. and the french have been quiet and somber about it all. but we haven't seen the makeshift memorials we have seen in amsterdam. that's because the french government is being quite silent about this, despite the fact that we're hearing from mali president they have found the plane. the french government in fact hasn't come forward. they haven't said the plane has been found. so far this is all a mystery for them. and they are saying they are looking into it. they're sending fighter jets to investigate. but so far where 2:00 here in the morning the french government being very tight-lipped, saying they are

looking into all the facts. when they see the plane for themselves, then they will make a statement, anderson. >> and they've said they vow to mobilize all their resources to find the plane. but again, it's in rebel-held territory. so actually, investigating this scene may be difficult. >> oh, absolutely. this is completely inhospitable terrain. you know, it is remote. it is vast. it is perilous. and they are pretty aware of that. at the same time, they have sent out two fighter jets to kind of ascertain, follow that route to try to ascertain what may have happened. they also have troops on the ground, military and medical. they have some 3,000 french troops on the ground. they have also asked for the algerian and u.s. task force to really help them out in that area. but it is a hard area not only from what joe johns was saying because of the weather, it's such difficult and harsh terrain, quite mountainous, but

also it is the heartland of this heavy militant group, the touareg group that have been pushed back from 2012. 2013, the french military went in. they have been pushed back. they don't have as much capacity at the moment. but it's still -- they're still armed and they're still dangerous. so obviously going in, trying to get that information becomes much more difficult. anderson? >> isa soares, thank you. between that and the faa's decision to reverse its decision on flights into and out of tel aviv, an awful lot to talk about. there is also simple arithmetic. 700 aviation fatales in recent months. let's bring in miles o'brien, david soucie, and former faa chief of staff michael goldfarb. miles, first of all, let's talk about this crash, the algerian air flight. what is it, what does your gut tell you about this? >> well, remember, it's early, of course.

but you have to take a strong and hard look at the weather here. this is a part of the world called the intertropical convergence zone. these are the worst storms on the planet near the equator where the north and south trade winds meet. thunderstorms become hugely embedded thunderstorms. storms the like which brought down air france 447 in '09. you see on the flight path this aircraft was headed right toward a cell, had requested to deviate around it. all kinds of reasons not to fly through a thunderstorm. and there are all kinds of questions that will be ooded with the weather in this case. >> air algerie. there is obvious concerns about the tel aviv airport. is there a perception issue as far as airplane safety right now? >> it certainly feels that way right now. how many people would feel comfortable flying into that region of the world? yet it remains the safest emode of transportation. the statistics are 1 in 55 million that you would even be involved in an aviation

incident. but if the perception is that it's not safe, then there is a real crisis of confidence. that's why what the faa did at ben gurion airport is so important. the israelis may complain they intervened, but thankfully they did. imagine had they left it up to the airlines themselves to assess the security threat, planes might not be flying in there for many days. that's precisely the role you want the faa and other governments to play. a much more proactive role to respond to what seems to be an increasingly hostile world. >> david, what do you make of the faa rescinding its ban? >> i think it was smart it was put in place in the first place. they state that if there is a risk, identified risk by anyone, and that's part of the safety system. anyone within that system, including the pilots, the passengers, anybody who raises a significant risk, that airport will has to be shut down for a period of 24 hours. the fact that it was done and the fact that they found new significant information, that was necessary, in order to lift the ban, they did it exactly by

the book, exactly the way the safety system is designed to work. >> michael bloomberg flew over on el al to make the point that airport is safe and what the faa did was wrong, essentially. michael, you agree with the faa ban, that it wassing the right thing to do. >> completely, completely. i think it allowed the airport to reopen safely. david is absolutely right. there is a very methodical process with every airport to look at the indicators of how safe it is from the navigational aids to the strife around an airport in a conflict area. they did the right thing. they got new information. and they reopened it as quickly as possible. >> miles, i know you have a point you want to make about malaysia airlines, the disaster over ukraine, about the ukrainians you. say they aren't being transparent enough. in what way? >> we've been talking about some of the scenarios that might have left to the surface-to-air missile being fired at that airliner. one of the things that is persistent and still in the realm of speculation, but needs to be run down is was there a ukrainian fighter jet in close proximity to that airliner?

certainly not unheard of to have fighter jets using civilian airliners as cover to evade radar. if that is in fact the case, it certainly muddies the water as to why the trigger was pulled, if you will. and the best way to clear that up is in the hands of the ukrainian air traffic control authorities which have the radar tapes, primary and secondary, as well as the air traffic control tapes. they said they released them. we haven't seen them yet. this needs to be settled. >> david, do you agree they need to step up? >> absolutely. those need to be released needily during the investigation and everything that happened before and leading up to it as well, miles, david soucie, michael goldfarb, i appreciate you being on. we're going to come back to the ukraine story shortly. when we come back, we'll take you to a single location in gaza where 200 people, mostly women and children have been wounded. 16 were killed. it happened at a school that was serving as a u.n. shelter. palestinian anger white hot, even though answers about who exactly is responsible remain unclear. we're going to show you how each side is reacting and the best

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tonight, outrage growing over the shelling of a third united nations school in gaza. at least 16 people were killed. palestinian officials said more than 200 others were wounded. the two other u.n. schools have been hit. this one was serving as a shelter in an area that has seen

intense fighting. many families with young children have gone there thinking it would be a safe place. obviously it was not. officials in gaza accuse israel of targeting the school, despite knowing it was a shelter. israel said it's investigating the shelling, and suggested a rocket fired by hamas could have hit the school. just yesterday the u.n. secretary general slammed hamas for storing weapons at a u.n. school and thereby turning schools into potential targets. among all the finger-pointing, what is certain at this hour beyond doubt, today young children and babies once again paid the price of war. itn reporter dan rivers filed this report from gaza. i do want to warn you, the images are hard to bear. [ siren ] >> reporter: they had come here seeking refuge, but today the war came to this school. the playground peppered with shells. the results were devastating. a few minutes later, we watched the first casualties arrive at the local hospital, child after

bloodied child. this boy really in shock. his doctors lost the battle to save a member of his family. for more than 30 minutes, the ambulance crews flooded this tiny hospital with more and more victims. >> they are running out of room in this triage center as ambulance after ambulance has arrived with dozens of injured people, including many children. >> reporter: one of the youngest, this 6-month-old baby boy, ahmed has shrapnel in his back. there is no time for anesthetic as doctors pluck out the fragments of metal and make room for the next patient. nearby the baby's father is hysterical. the father of six tells me his family was waiting in the school playground to be evacuated by the red cross when suddenly the shells rained down. says his children were blown

away like pieces of paper. everywhere we looked, faces contorted in pain, terrible news broken. for many, it was too much. >> they want to tell me that they're responsible? is this a responsible thing, to kill the children, the old women, the children? what? their army, what? >> reporter: the mayhem of this day will never be forgotten by these people. for many, their injuries will be life changing. agony too for those yet to live theirs. by the end, the injured children were simply being treated on the floor, so great were they in number. and most with the same injuries,

shards of metal lacerating their tiny bodies. >> multiple shrapnels. >> reporter: how many children have been brought in? >> so much. >> reporter: the price of this war is etched on each and every face here, staring blankly back in shock, the innocent victims of this relentless conflict. >> that was dan rivers reporting. the u.n. secretary general said he is appalled by today's strike on the u.n. school. tonight secretary of state john kerry is in cairo, trying to help broke area ceasefire. the crisis now in its third week. the faa, as we reported, has lifted its ban on u.s. flights to and from israel. the u.s. official told cnn if the situation in tel aviv, quote, goes south, that their words, the ban could be reinstated. cnn's karl penhaul is in gaza while wolf blitzer in jerusalem joins me with the latest. what is the latest? >> so far from the palestinian health authorities there is 16 dead and over 200 wounded.

what we haven't got any clear picture of is who exactly is to blame. on the other hand the united nations says the israeli military clearly had the coordinates of where this shelter was. the united nations also says that it asked for the israeli military to call a lull in fighting on at least two occasions during the day to allow the civilians safe passage out of that school. they say that permission was denied. however, the israeli military clearly say they did permit a four-hour window. so there is some confusion there. that is one point. also, we know in the previous days there had been intense fighting both artillery shelling, but also ground fighting in that area of northeastern gaza. and this school is only about a mile and a half from that border. also, what the united nations is saying is that it isn't at this time blaming either side, but does say in previous days both the israelis and hamas have violated the neutrality of u.n. schools. they accused the israeli military of firing on u.n. schools on at least two

occasions in the past three days. and over the past week or ten days or so, they blame hamas militants for using at least two schools to store their rockets. the u.n. is calling for a full report. the israeli military is saying it will investigate too when a cnn team went down to the scene, we could not draw any conclusive evidence about what may have caused the blast. we saw shrapnel pockmarks marking the school and the ground. no signs of any rocket parts on the ground, and no fragments from anything that looked like commercially made weapons grade material or munitions, anderson. >> wolf, you asked prime minister benjamin netanyahu's spokesman about it. what did he say? >> he says that it's a tragic incident. the israelis are investigating it. they say there is a possibility it could have been a hamas rocket fired from gaza towards israel but landed in that building. on the other hand, it could have been an israeli military mistake, for which they would be deeply regretful. they are investigating, and

they'll know more as the investigation continues. but they weren't ready to make a firm determine nation yet. >> and wolf, senior state department officials are seemingly trying to put pressure on both sides today saying secretary kerry's time in the region is not indefinite. have you heard of any -- is there any feeling on the israeli side that they're closer to a ceasefire? >> i haven't heard any indication from the israelis that they're closer to a ceasefire. if anything, they see the continuation of this operation. they don't see any willingness on the part of hamas to stop launching rockets and missiles into israel. the israelis are continuing their military operation in gaza. they're going after those tunnels from gaza into israel. they're going after the rocket launchers. they do say that they went into this operation thinking that hamas had about 10,000 rockets and missiles. they think about 6,000 of them are gone. either that they were launched against israel or destroyed by the israelis. but they say hamas still has

4,000 left. and they also say that the hamas fighters seem to be a lot more disciplined, more trained, better professionally in dealing with the israeli operation than they thought was the case a few years ago. so this is a real battle that continues. i'm not very encouraged that there will be a ceasefire any time soon, although that would certainly be good. >> karl, when israel says they're going to do an investigation, there anybody on the ground there in gaza actually capable of doing an investigation, whether it's the u.n., whether it's any other group? >> we don't believe right now from what we've seen first of all the chain of custody. we got back into that school more than three hours after the explosion occurred. the school had been completely evacuated. no staff were in place to secure the explosion site. we just walked in, took more photographs, took more video of the explosion site. as we were in the compound, another ambulance drove in with three paramedics in and also some civilian adult males in the

rear of the ambulance dressed in civilian clothes. we don't know what their purpose was arriving back at the compound. but clearly this pom pound has not been secured. and also presumably that means the chain of evidence is not secure either. it's very difficult to see how anybody could do a full investigation at this stage. the israeli military is also not in control of that school or the surrounding area. that said, checking through records, checking through firing logs perhaps, checking back with after-action reports from its units, perhaps the israeli military could come up with some answer. doubtful that any of that kind of information would be forth coming from any of the gaza militant factions, anderson. >> karl penhaul, wolf blitzer, thank you. we're going to take you to the malaysia airlines flight 17 investigation next. new developments on the ground to tell you and in the air that could complicate a daunting job. the u.s. state department says it has new evidence that russia is firing artillery into eastern

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let's quickly have a listen. >> we have new evidence that the russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers to the separatist forces in ukraine and have evidence that russia is firing artillery from within russia to attack ukrainian military positions. >> now here at cnn, we know behind the scenes that the u.s. has been looking at this for the last several days, and they now believe they have the satellite and radar intelligence that tells them the russians have actually been shelling most of this week, if you will for the last several days. there are even photos out there i think we can show everyone that u.s. intelligence is scrutinizing right now. these are artillery pieces, and the u.s. is looking to see if it can demonstrate the claim that russian soldiers are making that they took these pictures from the russian side of the border, including the empty artillery shells after they fired into ukraine. >> you reported yesterday the russian troops are also massing near the ukrainian border.

how concern ready u.s. officials that could become an actual invasion force? >> well, you know, that would be the true dire consequence of all of this, the worst case scenario. aside from everything else going on in this region. u.s. officials tell me that they are not sure what putin is up to. they believe he is in control of the forces. one leading theory right now is not preparing necessarily for an invasion, but that basically, they are firing from the russian side to push back government forces on the ukraine side who have made some progress in taking back territory so that they can open up the russians, if you will, can open up some of this retaken territory for their pro-russian separatists to move back in and try and take control. but this continues day by day, really to be a hair trigger situation. >> barbara starr, thank you very much. whatever the russian role in flight 17's downing may be and the ugly aftermath, it is clear from barbara's reporting and all the reporting from the ground

that russia exerts enormous influence in the area. many believe that vladimir putin is not living up to his own words of just a few days ago when he said that everything possible must be done to safeguard the teams now there. earlier today i spoke about it, about mr. putin with mark rutte, the prime minister of the netherlands and the burden that his country has been bearing with grace. netherlands have done an extradite job of welcoming the first victims of the crash back with dignity and honor and respect. you have said something fundamental changed last thursday when this plane was shot down. what has changed? >> well, as you can understand, we are a nation in mourning. the loss of 194 of our countrymen in total, 298 in the plane has been earth breaking and shattering experience for the whole country.

and it is extremely important yesterday as a nation to come together to stand shoulder by shoulder. >> the beauty of what you did yesterday and today was in stark contrast obviously to the horror that we witnessed in eastern ukraine, not just in the do you think of this plane, but in the treatment of your citizens and citizens from all around the world for the last several days. there may be as many as 100 people still left at the crash site. i spoke to an osce monitor today who was at the crash site today with some malaysians and australian investigators. he found human remains. it appears no one right now is doing anything systematically to find all the victims still laying out this and to bring them back one week since the crash. this acceptable to you? >> no. that is why we will increase our effort to bring home all the victims of this disaster.

we will sent into the crash site a large number of people from the netherlands, experts, forensic experts, people from the police who are trained to do -- to deal with this type of work and these issues. they will start tomorrow. and we will have in total around 50 people working there sunday onwards. we will again rebuild our capacity in the field at the crash site to recover the remaining remains. and as much as possible, their personal belongings. >> on saturday, you said that russia's president vladimir putin must act to allow access to the crash site. do you believe he has done all he can? >> i've been on the phone now for six times. it's always difficult to assess

why things have been moving a bit further and a bit more swiftly than at a start of the crash investigation and the recovery of the victims. it started awfully slow. the pictures were heartbreaking for the relatives and families and for the whole nation, for the whole country. >> do you have any doubt that vladimir putin has armed and backed these pro-russian rebels in eastern ukraine? there is now a report we aired on cnn saying in the thrust is a belief that russia is actually firing from russian territory into eastern ukraine. >> i want to get to the bottom of this. i don't believe i'm furthering the process or helping the process by pointing my finger. i want to base this on evidence from our intelligence community. i'll be working very closely together with the american and other international communities, and the support from president

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last night at about this time, ivan watson told us something that was almost inconceivable. he had just come back from the site where flight 17 crashed and told us it was completely deserted, that there was no investigation under way as far as he could tell, no one looking for the bodies, what could be as

many as 100 people still lying in the fields. today we asked phil black to go back out to the site to see if anything had changed. the short answer was not much. here is his report. >> reporter: this is the biggest international presence seen at mh17's crash site. the organization for security and cooperation in europe traveling with investigators and diplomats from malaysia and australia. for the first time, the observer mission looked beyond the grassy fields and pushed in to a dense forest. they found small scattered pieces and this. so far it's the largest single piece of mh17's fuselage to be discovered. its impact was cushioned by the forest. some of the windows are still intact. according to the european monitors, the investigators from australia and malaysia are surprised by two things. firstly, the sheer size of the debris field and the fact that one week since the disaster, there is still no exclusion zone surrounding it. and at this site, the observers

and experts closely study the front end of the cockpit. this is where emergency workers caused significant damage a few days ago, cutting into the wreckage with ooh high-powered saw. and it's also where the metal debris is marked by numerous puncture marks, possible signs of shrapnel damage from a midair explosion. apart from this small group moving in convoy across the crash zone, and its sometimes unfriendly militant escort, there is no one examining or securing evidence. this the site of a major recent air disaster, is quiet. it looks abandoned. and there is no ongoing operation to find victims' bodies among surrounding fields and farmland. that's a concern because the monitors have found yet more evidence the original search effort was less than thorough. >> human remains for the second day in a row. we did spot some human remains. >> again today as well? >> yes, we did. >> reporter: one week on,

international experts are on the ground in small but growing numbers. but the wreckage of mh17 is still not being treated with the care it deserves. phil black, cnn, eastern ukraine. >> well, again today, in stark contrast to what phil black saw, we bore witness to the dignified reception of casket after casket at an airfield in the netherlands. each one given the same solemn dignified treatment, the same careed finally for what they are, mothers and children. the next step, identification and forensic examination. chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins us tonight from the facility where that is taking place in the netherlands. also forensic pathologist dr. judy melnik who served the new york medical examiner's office in the wake of 9/11. sanjay, you were there as the second procession of coffins

came today. investigators now have the incredibly difficult task of making identifications. what do we know about where the process stands now? >> i did see that procession come, in anderson. i can tell you, it was an incredibly moving thing. i was really amazed how quiet and respectful it was just behind me here is the military base. and the process now, you have 75 investigators from different countries around the world. they represent the countries from where the passengers were on that plane. and it's the process has started. my understanding is talking to some of the folks here. they create stations within this large military base to try and begin this process of identification, starting with basic things first, and then other things. you know, looking at identifying features of the remains, maybe clothing or jewelry or something that is unique about the person. they get medical records, dental records. and then also, dna analysis. it's really remarkable. they talk -- they have to talk

to these families. they have to obtain some of these things from the families who have just gone through this incredible loss. so it's challenging work both in terms of the medical and scientific aspects, but also the psychological aspects for these examiner, anderson. >> and dr. melnik, you worked to identify victims at ground zero after 9/11. what are some of the challenges that are unique to tragedies involving a large number of fatalities like this? >> well, in this case, the challenges are not just the large number of fatalities, but also the forces at work here, just like in 9/11, where we have planes and then the collapse of the building. so it's an explosion as well as a collapse and then fires. and here we have an explosion at a high altitude and descent of remains over a long distance in a large area. then there is also the delay, as you mentioned, of it's been about a week. so decomposition is playing a factor as well. >> dr. melinek, this is what you

do. you're a forensic pathologist. you're an expert in this. on a personal level, how do you do this? how do you -- i'm trying to imagine those 75, you know, workers with the dozens of people who have thus far come in. not even complete people in some cases. how do you get through each day? >> it's incredibly difficult, if you have never worked a mass disaster before. when you are training, you learn to desensitize, to be able to put on your hat and put on your gear and go and do the work the next day. because the most important thing is there are people at the other end who are waiting for results. there are family members who are grieving, and they want closure. so that's the motivation. >> sanjay, i know you've been through this training as well. is there any sense of how long this process is going to take? because obviously, this are still, you know, there are estimates of this perhaps as many as a 100 people still in

fields in eastern ukraine who haven't even been found yet. i assume there is just no timeline for this. >> there really isn't. the first and foremost goal, as dr. melinek mentioned is to return these remains to the people who loved them and to get that absolutely right, to not make mistakes. look, this is a science. but in some ways it's not a perfect science either. after the oklahoma city bombing, for example, eight years later, it was discovered that there was some remains, a leg that was buried in the wrong coffin. after hurricane, anderson, nine years later, there were 31 unidentified remains still. that's horrifying. it's emotionally catastrophic, as you might imagine. the closure is not there for those families perhaps. and so it's something that they don't want to rush. >> certainly. sanjay, i appreciate you being there. and dr. melinek, it's good to talk to you. thank you. as always, for more on this and other stories go to cnn.com.

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as we said, it's a war zone. for the last two days cnn has been working behind the scenes of trying to obtain the release of ukrainian journalist anton skiba who was seized outside a hotel in donetsk on tuesday. he was working as a freelancer for us. the state department is calling skiba's detention a kidnapping, and human rights groups are demanding his release. ivan watson joins me now with the latest. ivan, a freelance journalist. take me exactly through what happened, how he was abducted. i understand there were men waiting for him at the hotel? >> that's right. our tv crew with my colleague phil black was coming back from the malaysian air flight disaster zone on tuesday evening. they pulled up just outside this hotel. and there were a group of gunmen in green camouflage with the vice premier of the donetsk people's republic who were standing, basically waiting for them with a folder documents. they got anton's id, and then

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in terms of other developments in the ukraine, i understand you obtained exclusive video from human rights watch of a mass grave allege lid work of rebels? >> that's right. humans rights watch researcher returned from the town of slaviansk. it was in the control of the rebels for a long time, and then the ukrainian government within the last month has taken back control of that town. and there he documented and shared with us video of ukrainian officials uncovering what appears to have been a mass grave with at least eight bodies inside. now, human rights watch interviewed eyewitnesses there who said that they had seen rebels burying the bodies, which are at a location next to the city morgue on june 11th when the rebels were still in control of that city. it's not clear who the victims were or how they died. but human rights watch reported that there were some people waiting there at the site, waiting for their missing loved

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[ bells ] >> a sound that echoed from one end of the netherlands to the other yesterday. sadness and strength as people paid their respects and the first caskets came home. as we mentioned earlier, two more planes carrying the remains of flight 17 victims landed in the netherlands today. there were 74 coffins today, 74 waiting hearses. once again, a protection as the remains were taken to a military barracks where forensic experts will begin the process of identification. here is a look at today's solemn journey. >> our community is really in shock. ♪ . everybody has a person who is

involved with one of the victims. ♪ >> everybody has a sad feeling. it's not necessary. and also we have a little bit of anger as well. because an accident can happen when afterwards you should treat people with respect. >> this is very respectful to the people that we lost and it's unbelievable. it's unbelievable. [ applause ] >> i can imagine that people are angry and when they stay in a situation of love. i think that the violence of death makes it -- the violence

of love gives the chance to survive. >> that does it for us. thanks for watching. the cnn original series "the sixties" starts right now. the communists seem to be putting on the defense on a number of fronts. >> we're behind and i'm sure they are making a concentrated effort to stay ahead. >> we may get beaten more. there are no cheap or easy victories in the game. >> we are aware of the international implications of the project but we're not in this for the race aspects. >> rockets for a lunar trip are being built. >> the first guards towards the stars were not without set backs. >> you're aware of the risk. >> we accept the risk. >> we choose to go to the moon and do the other thing, not because they are easy but