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that's have not been organized, putting passengers at risk. >> thanks. learn something new every day. thank you for joining me. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com you're in the cnn newsroom. i'm in new york. we would like to welcome our viewers watching around the world on cnn international. we're keeping close watch on major developments around the world. a facilitiering cease fire in the middle east. an evacuation from libya and signs of new fighting in ukraine. very close to the site of the malaysian flight that went down. the fight between israel and hamas hopes to be over and homes are dashed. the official cease fire ended two hours ago.
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israel appeared to agree to a four-hour extension. moments ago though, a hamas spokesperson rejected any cease fire extension. israel's army has reported that more rockets were fired from gaza into southern israel as soon as the truce ended. here's what we know right now. the temporary cease fire gave both sides time to survey the devastation. entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble in gaza. the increasingly bloody conflict has claimed more than 1,000 lives. mostly civilians. at least 40 israelis have also been killed. the u.s. evacuated in tripoli due to heavy militia violence ranging across the city. about 150 marines were evacuated. a blunt warning to americans. travelers should be aware that they may be targeted for kidnapping, violent attacks or death. the u.s. citizens currently if libya should exercise extreme caution and depart immediately.
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here's how the state department explained the embassy evacuation to cnn. >> so this really was a decision made based on the fact that our embassies in proximity of some pretty serious fighting and we felt that our people were at risk. this is a temporary relocation. we will go back in with our people as soon as it is safe to do so. this is really a generational fight in libya. and we're going to be there right alongside with them. but of course safety and security of our people has to be our top priority. >> the united nations and other international groups evacuated earlier this month. in eastern ukraine, troops seal to be advancing on the rebel city of donetsk. thousands are leaving the city because of heavier fighting causing huge traffic jams. intense fighting reported east of donetsk not far from the crash site of the malaysian airliner. there were also reports of heavy shelling on the city's
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outskirts. all of that fighting has forced european crash investigators to stay away from the site of the downed airliner today. let's get more from the area right now near the crash site. michael is the spokesperson for osce and a small team of european investigators trying to understand what happened at this crash and on that site. thank you very much for joining us. if you could just bring us up to date. i think there is a lot of frustration around the world at what you guys are dealing with out there right now. what can you actually do? can you guys go to the site every day and have free and unfettered access? >> reporter: sure. thanks for having us. yeah, today the front lines seem to be moving fairly rapidly. it is probably about 10 miles to that direction right in front of me. that's a consideration. there were reports as well, people wanting to come here, being delayed by train travel that was disrupted by heavy fighting.
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and indeed, from our team they had to go through a lot of security to get here. today we spent the day reconfiguring lodgist i canal planning. for the last week or so that we've been here, in materials of time, geography covered. then yesterday was a very good day in a sense of, there was new information on the ground that we found as you may recall. we found, the investigators with us found new identification documents. we had a better look at the bigger pieces of fuselage as well. and one more thing, of course, very, very difficult for us. all of us. we did discover evidence of human remains. so what happens next is more investigators from the netherlands and from australia are going to add to the numbers on the ground.
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and we intend to take them out to the field tomorrow. >> will they be able to do their work and get done what they need? how long will it take? and what is the ultimate goal? to have enough forces from other countries to basically secure the entire crime scene? how long do you need to do the work necessary to recover the remains out there and to understand what happened to that plane? >> reporter: right. well, it is a very complicated situation, obviously. we're here operational on the ground. we go out there day after day and of course there's a lot of discussions at the very high diplomatic levels. you know, it is a vast area. it has been calculated just today in the vicinity of about 35 square kilometers. and also, there is a lot of different times of terrain there. there's heavily wooded areas. there are villages. and the debris, you know, one of
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the things that we've been shocked with over the last few days is the randomness of where things fell. there are even parts of the cockpit that are several kilometers away from each other. we've said the area has not been secured. very difficult to do so. it really remains at the high political levels in term of what arrives here but operationally i can say that most days we go out there with about 20 to 25 people and that seems to work in terms of mobility and in terms of what the armed escorts are comfortable with. >> you paint a more frustrating picture. given the size and scope of where that debris is, if you look at the air alierie crash, they're already looking for remains, they've found the black boxes. all things you would have expected on day one. you're in the city of donetsk, the closest city to the crash site. what is happening there? are you seeing any signs of fighting?
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>> reporter: correct. well, at this moment, and i do emphasize it is only at this moment it is quite calm. i can tell you at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning, very, very loud shelling from the distance. it was sustained. wasn't just for five or ten minutes. it was sustained. our colleagues were woken by it and it is not the first time it's happened. of course everyone here has their contingency plans in case things he is claxt but i'm quite confident that tomorrow we can go ahead with our plan and get to that crash site. it takes about 90 minutes to get out there. and we are rushed through all the various checkpoints to get there. and again, once we're there we have pretty good access to everything. >> thank you very much for joining us. i get the sense that you are dealing with some very difficult politics and personal situations out there. good luck and we home for good news soon. thank you. let's talk more about developments in the ukraine and
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the struggle to run a crash investigation in the middle of that crash zone. i want to bring in miles o'brien. >> thank you very much. i'm joined by david southie. and kimberly dozier. kimberly, good to have you here with us. i want to begin. but let's talk about your best sense of the situation on the ground. is there any chance, first of all, any sense that the ukrainian government, the kiev government, not the rebels, will make some sort of effort to seize control of this turf and programs protect the integrity of this crash site? >> reporter: well, at this point there is been some limited access to the site. but fighting on the ground goes back and forth. i feel a little reluctant to
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describe what they might do next as i'm not right there. what i can tell you is that u.s. intelligence officials and u.s. military officials are watching closely them say they're getting most of their intelligence from the ukrainian military. though they're also using their own methods, satellites from above, infrared trackers that can track where artillery fire is coming from and going to, to see where those rebels are moving. how much access they're allowing to the site. and whether the ukrainian forces are maneuvering in a way that can help them secure the area. >> i suppose, you know, my first reaction when thinking about this is kind of, almost in no man's handled. it is kind of one man's handled. it is all about vladimir putin. i suppose with one phone call, everything could change here. and investigators could come in there and do a proper investigation. would you say that's accurate? >> reporter: accurate. and that's why u.s. officials
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are publicly talking about putin's latest moves as changing the game for u.s./russian relations permanently. the chairman of the joint chiefs, martin dempsey, was speaking this week, talking about how this is the first time that russia has fired into another sovereign nation. possibly since 1939. and he said that russia is doing other things, asserting itself, not just in ukraine but with its military. just pushing in various directions. he said it threatens not just europe but eventually the united states. and from the pentagon's perspective, they are looking at things like, aircraft traveling, sea lanes, things they haven't looked at in decades. not since the cold war. >> let's pick up on that cold war point for a moment. it is kind of shocking and almost nauseating to think we're getting back into that
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environment. this reminds me very much after what happened after the korean airliner was downed in 1988. are we really getting back into a cold war mindset? >> reporter: well, u.s. officials are talking about the kremlin stepping up its military maneuvers. making improvements to its military to enable it to be more of a tlept worldwide. that's partly what has got them concerned. that is what has finally galvanized the european union to step up and consider harsher sanctions against russia, to start sending a message. the concern of officials, both european and american that i've spoken to is that if russia isn't answered now, forcefully, in various different ways. if the aggression isn't checked, that putin will see this as a way to continue to shore up his support at home but also, signal to the wider world that russia is back in a major way. and that ukraine won't be the
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last place we see russian forces helping out and possibly taking territory. >> all right. those are scary words. lots to think about there. let's hope it doesn't continue on that path. thank you very much. let's send it back to new york. >> thank you very much. i want to bring in david, an analyst, a former analyst, safety analyst for the faa. we've been watching these pictures in the ukraine so long now. what needs to happen on the ground for how long? what do they need to get the job done? >> they need to get it secure enough for the families and the victims that are there. they need to expand the area. they're not even looking outside of a two or three-mile radius. there could be victims further than that. there's clear evidence that there is debris that was not there before the accident and is now. it is not even being looked at yet. >> it sounds like they need
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hundreds of people there. >> in my investigations, i usually count three people per victim. we're not anywhere near that. >> nearly 1,000 people there. okay. thank you vex. coming up, the cease fire between israel and gaza appears to be over but there was a 12-hour wind over and you are withy the dead. wondering what that is? that, my friends, is everything. and with the quicksilver card from capital one, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase.
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see car insurance in a whole new light. call liberty mutual insurance. back to our breaking news. the collapse of the cease fire between israel and hamas. the temporary halt is now a thing of the past. hamas sharply rejected any homes of extending it for a few short hours. israel's army has reported that fresh rockets were fired from gaza into israel almost as soon as the truce ended. my colleague sarah joins me to help lead our coverage of this increasingly bloody conflict. >> reporter: i wanted to give you a quick update on breaking
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news. we are hearing that there are sirens going on also in ashkelon. here's what we know out of gaza. more than 1,000 people have now been killed. the health ministry in gaza saying most of them are civilians. 37 israeli soldiers and three israeli civilians have lost their lives so far in this conflict. in gaza, hospitals are simply overwhelmed. some doctors say they've been almost 24 hours straight trying to remove shrapnel and save lives. the gaza ministry of health spokesman said the palestinians found more than 100 bodies in areas that had been too dangerous to enter in recent days, because of the israeli bombardments. i want to bring in now our correspondent who has been covering this conflict. what are you seeing now on the ground? can you give us a sense of how vast this damage is? and what people have been doing during this 12-hour cease fire that has now ended?
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>> you're absolutely right. the damage is quite extensive. right now, we're monitoring the situation. we saw two rockets go out toward the north. that's toward ashkelon and that area. it is still relatively quiet compared to other nights we've seen. and during this 12-hour cease fire, i was able to go out to certain areas that were really the front lines of the fighting. these areas were utterly destroyed. take a look at what we saw. when the clouds of war cleared, this is the devastation that was left behind. we have a child's mattress. we have clothes, pots and pans. this area completely destroyed. and it is not just this house, as you can see, there are other buildings down here that have been damaged, devastated. we've seen some people come through here and try to pick at
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little things they can take back with them to their shelters. >> this crater just highlights the massive amount of fire power being used in this area. this hole has to be at least ten meters deep. if you look, there are slabs of concrete. it looks like the building was here. what we're hearing was that this was likely the result of a 500-pound bomb. neighborhood after neighborhood, house after house has been reduced to rubble like this. and really without any permanent cease fire. this sort of devastation is likely to continue. cnn, gaza. >> reporter: when we were in the neighbor, we were pushing further and further to the front line. we got to roughly about 100 meters from israeli tanks. at that point, some men started yelling at us that, in arabic,
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that they didn't want to see a single soul here. it was likely these are fighters, militant fighters, militants from gaza telling to us get out of there. things were very tense on the border. they didn't want to see a lot of media in that area because they're very suspicious of us. but right now, as we know, the cease fire has ended. the fighting is continuing and it is unlikely that any sort of cease fire will hold on unless the demands of hamas are met. one of the major demands is what they say is lifting of the siege of gaza. they want the borders opened so goods and services can flow in and out. they say unless that hams no, cease fire will take place. >> thank you so much. giving us a real look at just the extensive devastation that has happened there since this all began. miguel?
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themselves from missiles? a congressman is reintroducing a bill that would equip some u.s. flights were anti-missile technology. would it cost about a million bucks a plane but he says it's worth it. >> the airline industry has said the cost is about a million dollars a plane. guess what, the cost of an inflight entertainment system a million dollars a plane. i'm glad that we have the ability to watch multiple channels including cnn at 30,000 feet. i also want the ability to land and take off from airports knowing we're safe against one terrorist with one easily deployable shoulder-fired missile. >> joining me, author of why planes crash, and form he cia operative, and mile o'brian. would the plane be safer in the air having this technology? >> only for what it was designed for originally. shoulder fired missiles, man pad type stuff.
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and it was after, about 2003 this was considered and set forward by congress and by 2008, we had installed them on three of our airplanes as test pads and they did work. it was from $1 million to $3 million a copy. about $300,000 per subscription to keep it up every year. because that was the threat we thought. and you're only protecting up to two miles out. takeoffs and landings basically. >> yes. >> is this going to deter attacks or will this solve problems for carriers around the world? >> well, i'm not sure you need to cover the whole world with it. but if an american airline is flying into tel aviv, for instance, it would be a good idea to have one of these defensive systems on board. you look at the geography with all the tunnels going to egypt where there are surface to air missiles. it is a bit of a stretch but the
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israeli airplanes have it so i think americans should. at $1 million or even $3 million if you're going on fly anywhere near a war zone. >> that seems to be the one place would it come in handledy. the anti-aircraft missiles on flight 17 wouldn't even have come close to having this technology be helpful, correct? >> as far as i know. i'm not a weapons person. i like to step back and look at the whole situation. when i look at the whole situation, write that down and say i'm going to fly in an aircraft that has to have an anti-missile system installed on it. read that. that makes no sense at all. if i'm going to get on an airplane for commercial use and go into a city, first of all, if it is not safe enough, don't go there. is it really that important? >> avoidance. >> don't fly if that's the case. >> certainly with a case of the mh 17, given what we know now, the plane should not have been flying over that air space at
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all. and miles, there are some planes that have been tested with this technology. the israelis have them. air force one perhaps has it. do you think passengers deserve the same? >> are passengers willing to pay for it? when you go on kayak and you start comparing fares returning paying extra for the one that has the ability to evade a heat seeking missile? i have a hunt people go for the low fare. a lot of this is the mentality of passengers. it will cost a lot more money to put these on airplanes and it would never do anything for the mh 17. it was a radar missile. it requires aluminum spitout to try to evade the radar. and no one is talking about putting those on airliners. i think the pilots have it right. if there is a hot zone, avoid it. if you have to go into spaefk place like tel aviv, you want to continue that service. maybe you outfit those aircraft.
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the airlines hate to have nonuniformity in their fleets. it makes it very difficult to dispatch. >> all right. miles and bob and you guys, les and david, thank you for joining us. we'll turn to another air tragedy. the flight that crashed this week killing 118 people on board. officials say the plane seemed to have disintegrated. i'll tell you why investigators may be closer to finding out why. shopping online is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list, now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angieslist.com no more calling around. no more hassles. start shopping from a list of top-rated providers today. angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. visit angieslist.com today.
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in tripoli this morning because militia violence is raging across the city. american embassy staffers were evacuated with heavy military protection. barbara starr has more. >> by all accounts the evacuation of the 150 americans went smoothly. it actually included 80 marines who had been at the embassy for security duty. the evacuation plan had the americans driven out of trimly, heading west across the bored entire tune eastern. a but there was plenty of fire power to then americans if they got into trouble on the long drive. we know there were two f-16s overhead, a drone following convoy all the way to the border. a u.s. navy warship in the mediterranean nearby and several dozen additional heavily armed marines flying overhead in their v-22 aircraft, ready to move in. if the convoy had come under
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attack and get the americans out. the decision to evacuate the embassy clearly came after growing violence for the last several weeks. in recent days. the nearby tripoli airport had been destroyed. shut down by rival militia shelling. there had been shelling in the neighborhood where the embassy was located. once the airport had shut down, there was no way for the americans to get out by commercial air which is usually what happens. they simply get on a commercial airliner. with the airport shut down and no other way to get out, it became time for the americans to go. once the airport was shut down, there was no other way for the americans to get out. in washington, i'm barbara starr. today in mali investigators at the site of the air algerie flight. it was an hour after takeoff killing more than 100 people.
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officials say bad weather may have caused the crash. france suffered the greatest loss of passengers, 54, including ten members of a single family. today french government officials met with victims' families and nounce ad three-day mourning period beginning on monday. the conflict between israel and hamas isn't just playing out on the battlefield. it is also playing out online on facebook news feeds and twitter accounts. that's next. [announcer] word is getting out. purina dog chow light & healthy is a deliciously tender and crunchy kibble blend.
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israel and hamas aren't just fighting a war with rockets. they're also fighting a war with words and images, each side is trying to frame the perception of the conflict in their own eyes and they're hoping it becomes a reality in a battle where the truth is not always clear. >> another israeli ground invasion of gaza has been launched -- >> today's mideast violence might seem familiar. but in this environment, traditional media, meeting new media, social media, the horrors of war playing out as never before. a palestinian child riddled with shrapnel screams for his father. israeli parents and friends mourn the death of a 21-year-old soldier. so many sorrowful pictures, right alongside them -- images of resentment.
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gazans cheer rebelled heading toward israel. israelis gather to cheer air strikes heading toward gaza. when you see the gruesome aftermath of rocket attacks on both sides of the border, there is an anger that many people feel and a compulsion to help that many people that i think is israel palpable. >> the fight raging in gaza, spilling over into the media. both sides trying to win over hearts and minds worldwide. both sides blaming the other for the violence. both sides trying to demonstrate the other. >> when hamas wants to pile up the number of civilian victims for its own propaganda purposes. >> this is just cruel and heartless propaganda. blame the victim, accuse them of using human shields, blame them for the loss of their own lives. control of information, propaganda, as old as war itself.
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this time even celebrities like rihanna caught in the fray. she tweeted, free palestine and then deleted it minutes later. she later tweeted, let's pray for peace and a swift end to the israeli/palestinian conflict. is there any hope? >> you can't write a word about this conflict without getting just ripped apart from i'm on both sides. >> in social media, it often turns cheap and very nasty. both sides turning destruction and the horrible loss of life to mockery. >> we're talking about a conflict where the dehumanization of the other side from both sides. when you have benjamin netanyahu talking dead palestinians.
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my colleague rejoins us from jerusalem where the cease fire is over. israel and hamas both accusing the other of undermining the temporary halt to the bloodshed. sarah? >> reporter: well, look, moments after the cease fire, literally three or four minutes after it ended, israel reported mortars that had come from gaza. we know at least six mortars have made it into southern israel and the regional council
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area. hamas accused israel of blocking bodies in the buffer zone. more than 1,000 people have been killed in gaza alone. mostly civilians. when both sides constantly point fingers at each other, any possible path to resolution becomes clouded. and we have to mention, israel has lost 40 soldiers and three civilians. joining to us discuss all of this is kimberly dozier of global affairs analyst, and bob bair, a former cia operative. kim, let's start with you. considering the number of dead now topping 1,000 in gaza, many, many civilians, and timages coming out of gaza, this huge mass scale of destruction, and it has completely overwhelmed women and children screaming. is israel losing the public battle, the world opinion battle, i guess, are they >> well, they've already lost it
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across the arash world. these are the kind of images that they've played on a much smaller scale over the years. the concern of u.s. officials is that these new fresh images, this fresh number of -- high number of dead will feed into the jihaddist ideology of militants across the region, that young men watching this might not be able to get in to gaza to help fight there but they'll be able to join the fighters in syria or other parts of africa where al qaeda and other groups are taking root. from hamas' point of view, fighting back continuing to fight back, that's kind of their model for being successful, staying in power. being seen as the protector and defender of their people. so, while it might not make a lot of sense to people watching from outside the region wondering why they're fighting this battle that they can't win
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against a much stronger military, politically wherever they stop, they'll probably emerge stronger at least in the eyes of their own people because of this confrontation. >> bob, the information and p p propaganda is important in any military action. is what we're seeing right now, certainly netanyahu has support at home, he seems to have it in the u.s., but is it making it more difficult for leaders everywhere as they are trying to decide what to do about bringing this to an end? >> well, first of all, kimberly is absolutely right. we've lost the battle in the arab world. the united states is getting an enormous amount of pressure to put an end to this conflict, to lift the siege on gaza. and you have to look at it from the perspective of the palestinians. having, you know, 35 losses on the side of the israelis is a lot. a lot for them. and for hamas it's a big victory.
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so, they are -- i think they're winning this war in terms of propaganda. there's no doubt about it. and they will get jihaddist support and the united states will be blamed and you'll see muslims from europe and the united states heading into the region. they're going to become radicalized. and unlike hamas, these people are going to turn to international terrorism. >> bob, i do want to follow up on that, though, because there have been protests in london, for example, and france against the israeli bombardment as well. you do have, you know, others looking at it. but also i want to talk about what hamas looks like now to the world because they have n had ixed the cease-fire extension that israel had agreed upon, a four-hour extension for humanitari humanitarian reasons so they can have four hours of sleep if they can do that. what does it is do for hamas' reputation in the court of
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public opinion? >> i think that hamas, you know, was losing power. losing influence up until now and i think this is one of the reasons they started rocketing israel, they wanted to draw them into a conflict that they could fight on the ground in the gaza strip. they knew very cynically that the israelis would have to kill a lot of civilians. you can't go into gaza and make pinpoint strikes on the palestinians. so, they were counting on a large number of civilian deaths. you know, whether this pays off in the end, i don't know, bus hezbollah in 2006 did this, drew the israelis into lebanon. and fought them to a standstill and hezbollah lost influence there somewhat. but not completely. >> all right, bob baer and kimberly dozier. thank you so much for joining us. miguel? >> thank you very much, sara. be sure to watch "state of the union" tomorrow morning,
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now more coffins bearing the remains of flight 17 victims arrived earlier today in the netherlands. each of those people getting the respect that they deserve. officials say they've made the first identification of a flight victim. that person's family has been informed but the name has not been released. meanwhile, some of the victims' remains are still at the crash site and investigators do not have full access to the area. when malaysia flight 17 was shot out of the sky villagers in a remotewitnessed it. some were just children who watched in horror as passengers including other children fell to their death. cnn's phil black has more. >> reporter: the debris of mh-17 is scattered over a wide area. so is the trauma inflicted on local residents. in the nearby village, the playground of an orphanage is
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empty and silent. the children who call this home had been sent away because on july 17 they saw too much. valentina teaches here. she says "last thursday the children were all outside when there was an explosion. the children started screaming. these are dead bodies." valentina shows me where the body of a woman fell on the engs of the field where children were playing. another woman came down nearby and here she says the children saw the body of a boy hit the earth. she says they were terrified. some screamed, some just sat and cried. mh-17's cockpit now lies down the street. valentina and other women who work at the orphanage have been coming here with pictures of
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children killed in the aircraft. they leave them toys. flowers for their parents. in this village showered in debris where people fell through ceilings and in yards, people say they will never forget july 17. the explosions, fear and bodies were like memories of the second world war. as well as trauma, people here feel relief, even gratitude because no one on the ground was hurt by the bodies or the huge pieces of debris which fell so close to their homes. near the main crash site, residents prayed for mh-17's victims. these people are living through a civil war, but even they never expected to witness death on such an extraordinary scale. phil black, cnn, eastern ukraine.
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