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there were explosions at the top of the previous hour. what's it like now? >> reporter: yeah, those explosions carried on for about ten or 15 minutes into the hour. since then, things have got considerably calmer. i would say totally kauai oat except for a few incidents or sporadic shelling a distance away from where we are now. it is difficult to get a picture of what's going on. we haven't heard formal comment to my knowledge from the israeli government or israeli military that they are back on board now that hamas is back on board with a 24 hour cease-fire. it is also not clear from hamas what kind of conditions they have set in order for them to agree a new 24-hour cease-fire. previously one of the reasons it appeared they were using not to agree with israel's cease-fire is because they didn't agree to israeli soldiers being on gaza
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soil. they didn't agree to israeli soldiers continuing to destroy hamas' military infrastructure including the tunnels and rocket launchers. the picture is murkier. the shelling was so heavy, the smell of high explosive residue was drifting into this office. that is the first time we have smelled that for 21 days. it is quiet now. actions speak louder than words. some kind of lull is certainly in effect. >> wolf, you have been talking about this this morning. have you heard a response, officially, from israel about this cease-fire? >> reporter: there is no official response, yet. just checked a minute or two ago before we went on air to see if there was a formal statement from the israeli government. i assume they are considering this initiative put forward by the united nations. the representative here in this
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part of the world is trying to put together this humanitarian pause. you heard the live interview. they have a commitment from hamas. all the factions of hamas and islamic jihad. they have a commitment to stop the firing of rockets and missiles into israel. they are looking for the israeli response right now and made a strong appeal to israel to accept this initiative, stop the shelling from israel. the air strikes, the naval strikes are going against targets in israel. israel accepted a 24-hour pause. they wanted to do so, but continue the effort to destroy the hamas tunnels from gaza into israel. we'll see if that's the position put forward now. actions speak louder than words. it's quieter in gaza over the past half hour or so. here in israel, it's quieter, too. there were rockets and missiles
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coming in after the top of the hour. we haven't heard alerts or sirens going off. there are careful deliberations going on right now. we'll see if the u.n. can get what he wants. he did make a specific appeal to people in gaza. don't assume the cease-fire is going to work. don't leave your homes. don't leave the shelters or the u.n. facilities. there's no guarantee the cease-fire is going to work. he's worried about the security of the palestinians in gaza right now. stay put. don't just assume it's going to be quiet for 24 hours. we shall find out soon enough and get the official israeli response in the next hour. candy crowley speaks live with the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu in "state of the union." >> a string of 12-hour cease-fire to a 24-hour cease-fire continue in that fashion just isn't plausible. beyond the 24 hours of silence,
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if that's what we are in now, we don't hear anything at the moment, what then for hamas. is there indication it could stretch into what secretary kerry is trying to broker? >> reporter: i have talked to several u.n. officials that have negotiated in other conflicts, in conflicts in other parts of the world. one u.n. negotiator told me, if neither side is on board to coming to a deal, a key is to get them locked into an international dynamic. locking them into a cease-fire agreement now and then an extension, the expension is exactly the kind of tactic international negotiators and mediators are trying to lock both sides into to get this dynamic. it's more difficult to restart the guns. now, on the one hand, if there
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is a long cease-fire, that maybe means hamas and its military factions will lose their momentum. in terms of gorilla warfare, hamas has been giving or has had a good campaign. it's continued to launch commando raids into israel and taking on israeli ground troops on the ground attacking with missiles and hand-to-hand fighting and inflicted more casualties this time around than in 2008-2009. the longer the cease-fires go on, maybe the more difficult it is to restart the momentum of war. the same on the israeli side. there would have to be something serious going on for israel to start shelling again. that could be the dynamic that is going on here. both sides may get locked into the cease-fire, even though initially, israel feels it may not have achieved it all and hamas is far short of its state
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of getting a deal to improve the living conditions of gazans once and for all. >> karl penhaul and wolf blitzer, stand by. let's go to candy crowley. >> the host of "state of the union," she's going to be with us fully at 9:00. candy, you are talking to benjamin netanyahu. >> yes. certainly will ask him how israel feels about another 24-hour cease-fire. obviously, the last one we had was unilateral on israel's part and held a cease-fire. that's among many questions i will ask him. we will hear from the palestinian side out of ramallah with a top deputy. trying to get a grasp on what ends this for the moment. i will say that listening to karl, u.s. officials obviously agree with that scenario.
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any 24 hours they can get of a cease-fire is 24 hours in which to work for a longer cease-fire. they will go for that and welcome that in the u.s., if, indeed, this turns out to be agreed to by both sides. >> candy, thank you very much. as we mentioned, the meeting here on cnn. "state of the union" coming up at the top of the hour at 9:00 a.m. eastern. dutch forensic experts arrive in ukraine, but violence some distance away from the crash site of flight 17 is making it tougher for them to travel to that area. how will this affect the investigation there? after so many heart breaking stories of loss in plane crashes, a story of survival is breathtaking. what a woman did after she crawled out of the wreckage of this plane. ♪
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she called her father right away and said her plane crashed and exploded, but she was okay and he should come get her. >> he rushed to the scene, but she was taken to the hospital. she's shown here on the stretcher. the sydney herald said she had burns on her arms, leg and back. international monitors say the situation in ukraine is making it such that the crash site of malaysia site 17 is inaccessible today. it's too dangerous to get there. the news is coming as dutch police just arrived in donetsk. they plan to stay put in donetsk until it is safe to travel to the crash site. >> cbs news says they learned early details from one of the black boxes. findings consistent with the
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fuselage hit by shrapnel. >> let's bring in bob mcginness and an aviation attorney with us as well. good morning, gentlemen. >> good morning. >> good morning. let's talk about the information from the black boxes. if you hear that the fuselage was hit multiple times by shrapnel, what does that tell you about what happened and can it be upheld in a court of law by that information alone? colonel? lieutenant colonel? >> clearly, if they have shrapnel indication at 33,000 feet, i don't know that there's another explanation. the reality, the president, well over a week ago made it clear, this was shot down. it's not as if we don't have all sorts of abilities to monitor from the air and on the ground in that region. i'm sure the president wouldn't
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have said that if it had not been the case. >> my question to you is the second half of her question, justin. in court, is that something you could use if a person who pushed the button or helped launch the missiles are identify snd. >> the black box is the evidence of what happened. in this case, the black box is going to confirm what we already know from sources that the airplane was shot down. the missing evidence is the actual missile system, itself, and we have to get before investigators the people that were manning that system, the people that were in communication with that system. that's going to tell the full story. >> all right. some are saying that the international community should go in and start military action against russia in ukraine at this point. listen to what we heard yesterday from former u.n.
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ambassador. >> yes, we should have an international force. an international force could take care of those rebels immediately. the russians need to play their role. the russians need to cut them off, seal the border between russia and ukraine so all the heavy weapons, the heavy weapons and supplies, leadership is coming across the border in the ukraine is stopped. that's what the russians need to do. the international community can then secure that site. the rebels should be swept away. >> you think beyond sending some armed, some unarmed police, there should be a concerted effort, militarily to get rid of the rebels and take care of that site? >> if that's what it takes, that's what the international community should do. >> lieutenant colonel mcginness, do you agree? >> vladimir putin and the russians along the border provided heavy weapons. certainly their proxy's from
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intelligence are there. their leadership in the rebels are from russia. the ideas that they would not -- they would accept a u.n. force and who would be that u.n. force? the only u.n. force you could use are those with significant counter insurgent capabilities. you can put that number on a hand. the reality is, the ukrainians are pushing the fight on donetsk, which is not that far from the site. as they continue to take the villages, i think ten around donetsk at this point, the russians are going to react. they are not going to cooperate allowing the police to go in there. their real focus right now is on keeping the ukrainians back, and at the same time, the russians are going to give in. putin is not intimidated by what's going on. there's not going to be a war over this.
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it's not going to be resolved quickly. >> the frustration people have, the malaysians don't have access to the entire site. there are human remains there, we are getting reports. the parts of the plane reports they have been sawed in half. passports and documents that weren't there several days ago. today, the conflict in the region is keeping investigators from getting there. at what point does the international community, if this is an international crime scene stop playing fwi rules and go in and do the work that needs to be done or do we continue to, if they let in 68, that's all we can send? >> victor, this is a tough one. you are in the middle of a war zone. the people out of moscow are playing the string that is are controlling the pro-russian forces, the rebels. it's not as if there's only one militia unit there. there are hundreds of militia with various agendas.
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that's why the ukrainian government is doing what it can. it has a lack of capability. now that we know russians are firing across the border, russians are helping to down other aircraft and the ukrainians have already lost most of their su-25s, the most effective against the pro-russian forces. you have a chaotic situation. the only way to go in is with a first world capability, i'm talking a u.s., british, perhaps german or french capability. i don't see any of those nations willing to do a confrontation in that part of the world because they don't have forward station forces. >> we have seen one family make the trek, much to the opposition of everyone in terms of leaders to see the crash site because they couldn't believe their daughter had been killed. what do you say to other families at this point trying to get answers?
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>> i don't know what you can say. i don't think anyone can say anything that is going to make them feel better. what's going on right now is inhumane. it's a disgrace. right now, there are still bodies at the site, still remains to be retrieved and i think the people controlling the site and the russians have a vested interest in not allowing a full and fair investigation. i'm with the colonel, it's a difficult situation to deal with. there's no easy answers. >> all right. bob mcginness and justin green, thank you for your insight today. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. another u.s. embassy in the mideast evacuated. we have pictures of the diplomatic staff and a warning from the state department for americans still in libya.
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the 80 marines in the photograph. they were driven to tunisia as fighting continued there. >> erin joins us from washington. do we have any indication as to americans in libya and what their safety might be? >> reporter: well, frankly, americans are not safe in libya. on saturday, the state department issued a travel warning for libya that is intense with dire precautions. in libya, private individuals have in their position, military grade weapon that is could be used to shoot down a commercial jet. also, already this year, extremist groups made threats against u.s. citizens and anyone associated with the united states could be targeted for death. the state department is encouraging any american in libya to leave, it's difficult
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because the airport in tripoli is non-operational. that's where the militia's are fighting where they are trying to get control of the airport. roads can close without warning making travel in and out of the country tough. in general, the state department says the situation in libya is unpredictable and the country, itself, is unstable. no road map to restoring peace and stability there. there's no indication as to when the u.s. government officials can return or when it may be safe for americans to be there. >> erin mcpike, good to see you. thank you. a top editor at buzz feed was given the boot after it was revealed he plagiarized several passages in his writing. he was fired for copying without citing passages from the associated press, cbs news and cnn. they called it a breach of faith
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