tv Forensic Files CNN July 28, 2014 12:00am-12:31am PDT
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well, heavy and deadly fighting in eastern ukraine is keeping investigators from their crucial work, more than a week on, assessing the crash site of the malaysia airliner is as urgent as ever and patience is wearing thin. >> israel releases video of what it says happened in a deadly school attack last week as the u.n. calls for an immediate cease-fire. and there are growing worries this hour about the ebola outbreak in africa. a second american aid worker is now infected. hey, there, everyone. welcome to our viewers in the
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u.s. and around the world. we want to begin with the latest on malaysia airlines flight 17 and the fighting in eastern ukraine that likely led to its tragic end. at this moment now we are expecting a news conference with sergey lavrov. he is expected to discuss the sanctions his country now faces from the west over the fighting and russia's role in it. something else that might be on his mind sha, the united states releasing new satellite images showing russia has been firing artillery into ukrainian territory. >> meantime, this is happening. things growing worse in eastern ukraine. at least 13 people were killed there. russian foreign minister sergey lavrov expected to speak to the media at any moment now.
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we'll certainly bring it to you live as soon as it happens. with the latest now to get the international observers to the crash site, we have nick via telephone. what are you hearing? >> caller: the dutch have been trying to get access to the crash site. we just heard from a spokesman that they anticipate access to the site today. and that stems to result from negotiations from the army and the government as well. but one question overhangs is how safe it will be. high on their priority list is
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reaching the site. it is a very, very fluid environment. there have been some substantial shelling and we're also hearing from the ukrainian government who say yes, an operation is under way to free grounds around the crash site. so we're in an environment here where it's a very large area, could be changing hands except right now, the air -- the clock is ticking for the relatives of those who died on the plane. they want personal belongings and closure so they can have burial. >> there are still human remains there, and these 70
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investigators could do a lot to get their work done. we're just hearing that sergey lavrov has begun his news conference. let's listen. >> translator: -- which should be exclusively peaceful and diplomatic. and the russian federation and our many partners have undertaken many steps, and we are worried about the possibility to reach agreements of certain partners. first of all, we have to remember the 21st of february when the agreement was signed between leaders who are in the ruling coalition now. there have been some changes
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now, but nevertheless, their agreement was signed by yanukovych and the position leaders, and foreign ministers of germany, france and poland. the position has not been fulfilled to one of the main points. it is the resolving of the crisis and the necessity of creation of government of the national unity, which would have to prepare the changes to the constitution and then the general elections. this was the main key towards national unity and, but this government was not formed and instead a government of the
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winners was formed. it is as building its policy by suppression of protests in the east. and the geneva then agreement of the 17th april which said about the necessity of the cease-fire and the negotiation process between different parties, it was signed by ukraine, russia, u.s. and european union. our attempt was blocked to approve it in the osce. and after that, there was a
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road, road map in osce. but sweden representative and also our partners refused to approve it. our question, why the geneva agreement and the road map do not suit the official decisions. it was said that since then it is full plan appeared and it should be followed. we have already characterized this plan. it envisaged the cease-fire and actual capitulation of the, of the people in the east. otherwise, there would be
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destroyed. and here is the reason of the deterioration of the crisis. the reason is that the ukrainian authorities are refusing to speak and to sit at the table of negotiation with the east. instead the dialog on the, all the issues of the ukrainian state, the constitutional form. but to reflect the interests of all the interests of all the people of ukraine, first of all, donetsk and lou gans being. and then the leadership of
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ukraine in the peaceful plan is the implementation of the plans of the west and the actions of the ukrainian side, which is using heavy weaponry in order to reach military victory, people are dying. the humanitarian right is violated and human rights which is confirming this. and the ukrainian authorities think that they can use any means in order to defend its territorial integrity and so on. you know the events in february
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when all sides were asking not, president yanukovych not to use weapons against the d demonstrators. and unlike that, today's actions by the ukrainian government are a violation of human rights and are the actions like declaration adopted by foreign ministers in response which, which allowed humanitarian corridors for the time of the cease-fire. and then the goodwill gesture
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had negotiations in rio de janeiro and with ms. merkle. now he has invited osce monitors to the border. since the invitation of the monitors, two weeks have passed. discussions not needed by anyone when u.k. and together with ukrainian diplomats decided not to take the situation. afterwards the decision was taken. and now we are expecting monitors in donetsk in the
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nearest days. i have asked not to obstruct them. i hope, i hope this will waive doubts that these check points controlled by the ukrainians are used to bring weapons and so these two weeks have been lost because of the political games. i'm glad that security council of the u.n. has shown responsibility with regard to the tragedy with the malaysian flight. there was a call to carry out
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independent investigation. this was discussed in, during telephone conversation of president putin with other leaders. such investigation was to start as soon as possible under u.n. we are worried that some partners are trying to move the practical work in this investigation into this separate two side negotiations with ukraine. of course ukraine can discuss with anyone, but taking into account the situation with the crash and continuing shelling of
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the territories by the ukrainian national guard, we think that the actions of the international mission have to be agreed with the u.n. security council, and have guarantees of the u.n. we hope that the, the we will have the task to find out the truth as the first priority and that the investigation will be partial without any attempts to preempt, we have already
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undertaken first steps to monitor the area. we hope that our partners who are speaking about some other evidence, they have to publish this evidence and don't give the reason of any confidentiality or secretness. so everyone should have equal access to the investigation. all the other, we will consider -- i don't want to blame anyone in advance, but i hope no one is going to hide their tracks.
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so, again, the whole number of agreements during the ukrainian crisis were not implemented some partially, some completely, because our partners in these agreements tried to retract instead of agreed rules and ways of solving the problem. they were trying to support the line of the ukrainian leadership. aimed at forceful suppressing the uprising in the east. we are continuing our negotiations including the
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so-called group and a conference in this group and i hope there will be also direct contacts which are necessary for direct dialog which was discussed back in geneva. and i hope that everyone will follow them strict, strictly. what's your questions? a question not about ukraine. that the court in the hague have found the suit against you fair
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and they said that russia has to pay 50 billion of and the question, is it true that from russia weapons are coming into ukraine? >> translator: with regard to the first question, i've heard that such a verdict is expected. we need to wait for the fact itself. and after that, i will be able to make comments. you have already said that the court hearings have not finished. and it was expected. and besides, the other side will
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use all the means to prove its position. with regard to ukraine and supply of weapons, i already said that we have had requests long ago, give permission for the osce monitors from the sides of the separatists. we promised already over a month ago, but the cease-fire has not started. so the president decided to, as a goodwill gesture, to invite these monitors so that they could see for themselves. they were dragging their legs in osce. with some reasons.
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so those who are interested that there are no unlawful crossings of the border, they could have replied to this invitation of the russian side and finally, they have accepted the invitation. they can come, and we can create all the conditions for their work. with regard to the monitoring of what is going on on both sides of the border. for this, there are serious issues for osce and ukraine. there are quite wide mandates. it allows using technical means. for example, they can use
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unpiloted machines, technical means, monitoring with regard to the russian side of the border. i would call mass media to pay more attention to what is going on there. i can give an example. when the refugees, more and more refugees are coming from ukraine into russia. we asked our colleagues, mass media, whether they are saying anything about the life of these refugees in russia, what are they saying about the reasons of leaving their homes? it turned out that there is not much interest from all over
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europe to these refugees. then we thought the initiative and invited different reporters from moscow to visit the region. i'm asking you to visit this region and other regions bordering ukraine and see what is going, actually going on there. we are going to facilitate this. also we have organized the trip of military attaches so they can see the results of ukrainian
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shelling from the russian territory. bbc initially called this invitation to the attache, they called it a part of an information war. this can be left on the conscience of those people who said this. we, our main reason was to let the world know as much truth as possible, what is going on on our side of the border as well as what is going on in the southeast of ukraine and what means are being used to implement the so called peaceful plan. so we will try to establish
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facts and i hope these facts will not be censored, like the report was removed from the bbc website, pretty simply. i hope that the media representatives will follow the principles of the freedom of information. we were very concerned by the u.k. regulator to restrict russia today broadcasting over u.k. this is not a single incident. it has occurred on several occasions of not, of lacking
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impartiality. and they can lose their license. i think this is open censorship. we have commented bbc on the reports, and they are reports very often contradict our points of view. in fact, we have -- but we have never thought of taking some punishing measures against bbc who are broadcasting within the russian territory. and i hope that the u.k. authorities and any other countries will involve mass
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media and make them, make them subordinate. we've been listening there to russian foreign minister sergey lavrov speaking to the media, essentially pointing the finger at ukraine and other entities for not doing more to reach a cease-fire. ivan watson was listening to this from kiev where his comments are sure to be received rather coldly. what did you make of what we just heard? >> reporter: well, sergey lavrov making the case of basically that western governments and the ukrainian government had broken a number of agreements since february when presidethe presid still in power here. and the shelling in eastern
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ukraine and effectively blocking access to the mh17 crash site. he responded to allegations that russia is arming and supplying the separatist rebels and firing across the board at ukrainian military targets using artillery by inviting international monitors from the osce to establish a presence along the border to refute those charges. now the accusations that have come first from the ukrainian government here and from its allies in washington and the u.k., i might add, is that russia is basically arming, equipping, funding the separatist rebels in eastern ukraine and that it has even fired from russian territory at ukrainian military targets. so the battle of two completely
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different narratives, still very likely to continue. russia's top diplomat went also, argued in case of an impartial investigation of the cause of the mh17 crash and not to jump to preemptive conclusions, as he put it. we know that there is a large contingent, scores of dutch and australian investigators who are in the separatist controlled city of donetsk now making a way in a convoy towards the crash site after they were unable to travel there on sunday due to fighting around the debris field. now they are trying to make their way there. we don't know whether or not they'll be able to make that roughly hour and a half long car journey to the crash site. the ukrainian military has confirmed on monday that it has, in fact, been making an offensive towards the separatist
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held towns which are very close to the crash site, which would make the case that it's in fact, now, the ukrainian military that has been preventing access to the crash site within the past 36 hours. >> most interesting there, ivan is sergey lavrov said that the osce observers are dragging their feet. they're not deciding to go places they've already been permitted. but we have that development just in the past few hours, the osce person does anticipate visiting the crash site. and that's because we understand the russian government has been in contact with the rebels. thank you. natalie? and yes, our correspondent diana magnay has been listening as well. she is live in moscow with her perspective on what he had to say. >> reporter: it's interesting that russia has been positioning itself all along, all the way
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along as really on the path of reason, following international law, saying that these series of agreements made during the time of president yanukovych in february, and then in april at the geneva accord with international leaders that russia had always respected its side of those deals and that it was the west trying to follow the new president, mr. petro shen coe's scathing plan, so it was the west, the partners and ukraine's partners who had simply not followed the steps of international law, and the osce dragging their feet. and the first question that was asked him was by russian reporters saying, are you sending weapons into eastern ukraine, and it was interesting, because he never actually denied that russia was, which he has done to date,
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