3 360. there's been a lot going on. our coverage of course continues from the middle east and all throughout the world and eastern ukraine. cnn tonight starts right now. this is cnn tonight. breaking news. gaza under fire. israel's pounding gaza tonight. palestinian officials say at least 18 people had been killed. we're live in gaza with the very latest for you. plus, has the u.s. contributed to this stand-off? what should america's role be? hunted down, gunfire rings out in manhattan as officers trace a fugitive featured on cnn's the hunt on john walsh and tips help police track him down. his life ends in a hail of gunfire. john walsh will join us live. plus, with the deep battle lines drawn in the middle east and putin's bold moves in ukraine, are americans feeling less safe? if you are, you're not alone. let us know what you think.

the experts are standing by with your questions. we are going to begin with that breaking news in the middle east. israel has been pounding targets in gaza all night long. al-aqsa tv reports the ministry of finance in western gaza was hit by an air strike. carl is there live in gaza city. we have been hearing multiple explosions coming out of gaza this evening. what's going on now? >> reporter: absolutely, don. that has been pretty much the patent for this evening after night fell. what we saw when a lot of israeli illumination rounds lighting up the night sky over gaza city. that continued for about two hours. we heard the constant rounds overhead. because it is a moonless night on the gaza strip, those illumination rounds were being sent into the air so that the drones that are equipped with high resolution cameras could do

their work, for apparent targets down on the ground. after that had been going on for about two hours, then the air strikes came in. we got the sound and the pictures from call. nose went off from our office, about 500 yards away. let's take a quick look at those. you can see just how powerful those explosions were. i pause for just a second because what i'm wary of right now is that we can continue to hear israeli f-16 fighter jets overhead. and if they bomb targets that are too close to us, i will have to get down. that is because the shrapnel feel could come right into the front of this building. we have of course taken out the windows and the window frames in case there is an explosion. then at least the shock waves won't send glass shards flying

everywhere. to pick back up on that, what i was saying was that there have been a number of explosions that have rocked these areas around central gaza. and there is a great tragedy to that as well. because earlier today, the israeli military was sending sms text messages to residents of northern gaza, telling them they were in harm's way. telling them to flee northern portions of gaza and head to safe ground in gaza city. but then the explosions started here as well. it really illustrates how there is no safe place for people in gaza to run. this area, the gaza strip is no bigger than the metropolitan area of las vegas. imagine las vegas having a big wall around it. people could not get in or out. that is the situation on the gaza strip. that's why gazan people have no place to go where they can feel absolutely safe. we've also heard in the last few moments as well from u.n. secretary general ban-ki moon.

he is also, i'm going to go quiet again, don, f-16 fighter jets, we can hear them going overhead. let's see if they have a target in mind. they seem to have headed past. we're being told trargts in northern gaza, southern gaza and gaza city as well. u.n. secretary general ban-ki moon has put out an urgent statement about what is going on and is saying basically that the u.n. does not have the resources to help with the number of people that are being displaced by the fighting in the gaza strip. now they cannot cope with influxes of people in gaza city fleeing from other areas where there is fighting. that means effectively the people of gaza are feeling ever more on their own. >> that i want to you stand by. we want you to be safe. we'll get back to you throughout this broadcast.

we're on for two hours and we will definitely get back to you. karl in gaza city reporting there. there's been firing going back and forth between israel and gaza tonight despite the cease fire that is supposed to be in place and then of course, they disobeyed it and now they're firing again. paul hancock is joining us now. we've been hearing about the fighting going back and forth. there was a cease fire and no cease fire, cease fire, no cease fire. what is the difference? why has this intensified within the last couple hours? 18 people dying so far. >> it's not clear at this point, and obviously from the israeli point of view it is difficult to get a response because it is the early hours of this morning. we did hear from prime minister benjamin netanyahu earlier. he basically spoke to the israeli people on israeli television and said, there could be the possibility of a protracted campaign. he said effectively, fits necessary, we will carry it out.

he said that today is a painful day meaning monday, of course, the death toll rose significantly on both sides of the border in gaza. there were five israeli soldiers who were killed. one in combat fighting down in southern gaza. according to the israeli military, and four were killed just on the israeli/gaza border by mortar fire. so the israeli prime minister has effectively prepared his people for the fact this could go on longer than expected. he said that he cannot pull out the troops. he can't stop the operation until those tunnels going from gaza into israel have, in his words, been neutralized. >> paula, i want to you stand by. i want to bring someone else in. a long time supporter of israel and the author of the case for peace thoux arab israeli conflict can be resolved. it is good to have you back and we're not on skim and we can understand each other this

evening. what do you make of the fighting that has intensified? 18 people so far dead because of this. >> well, it's tragic. israel twice second cease fires that egypt had proposed. israel's conditions are very simple. neutralize the tunnels. i was in these tunnels. i saw what they were. they're concrete tunnels which are designed to allow terrorists to come in. there is the threat that if there are like 40 tunnels, you can send in two or 300 terrorists and kill thousands of israeli children. the tunnel that i was near was very close to a kindergarten with 57 children. that was the target. what would america do? israel is being attacked from under the ground and from the air. israel's conditions are simply, demilitarize hamas. take away their rockets, take away their tunnels and israel will stop attack. hamas's conditions are end israel and they will stop.

obviously israel cannot accept that. >> i want to talk more about the tunnels and there was a cease fire, an agreement in the past couple days that israel did not accept either. let's continue to talk about those tunnels. wolf blitzer was able to visit one of them earlier today. here it is. >> reporter: from what you know, what was the purpose of this tunnel? >> attack soldiers. they won't attack regular people, children, men. >> they wanted to go attack, kill israelis but also kidnap. >> yes. that was one of the rationales that they have suggested was one of the purposes of these tunnels. >> is this a nonstarter? if these tunnels are not eliminated, the fighting, the conflict will continue. the fighting will not stop. >> absolutely. can you imagine any american or any other country allowing tunnels to come under its children?

some of these tunnels were literally located under children's kindergartens. at any point they could be blown one catastrophic effects. the world says, look, there are only three israeli civilians and 40 some odd israeli soldiers. and there are many more palestinians who have been killed. but the issue is how many israelis could have been killed if these tunnels hadn't been stopped? israel developed the technological response to the rockets, iron dome. there is no technological response at the moment to the tunnels. that's why they must be neutralized. and people have to remember, too, that israel didn't start the blockade of gaza until two years after gaza was completely freed. gaza could have become the singapore of the mediterranean. instead they used the money they got from europe to build rockets, to build tunnels, to try to destroy israel. it was only two years later that israel employed a military blockade. what would america have done? every country would have done what israel does and they would have done with it the same kind of care that israel does by

sending out messages, by trying to avoid civilian casualties. when hamas hides its fighters in schools and there are videotapes showing this, in mosques, in civilian buildings, there are going to be civilian casualties and the civilian casualties are the fault of hamas. >> alan, we'll talk more about this. when we come back, both sides have vocal supporters in the u.s. and john kerry is struggling to broker a ceasefire. why is this so crucial? the wonder of summer is that i never know what kind of adventure awaits. the days are longer, and the breeze feels a little sweeter. and, thanks to volvo, i'll pay nothing for repairs or maintenance for 5 years, nothing. they even cover my first month's payment. so, i'll be happy wherever the summer takes me. the wonder of summer event. the 2015 volvo s60 sedan with complimentary first month's payment.

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welcome back. we're following news in the middle east you skies the skies of gaza. there israel pounding targets all night long in gaza. palestinian officials say at least 18 people have been killed. the u.s. has tried to negotiate a cease fire but so far it hasn't worked out. what should the u.s. role be? joining me now, a political commentator. peter is a political commentator as well. and alan is here. the united states has long been israel's biggest supporter and that won't change. as you watch this shelling, do you have any reservations about israel's conduct in gaza? >> israel has the right to defend itself but it also needs a military strategy against hamas. israel's problem is that there have been palestinian leaders over the past several years who

have not been launching rockets at israel. in fact they've been doing security cooperation with israel and the west bank. who have second israel's right to exist. mahmoud abbas, for instance. they have gotten settlement growth so palestinians don't see that nonviolence and acceptance of israel's right to exist has gotten them anywhere. that's what frightens me. that's what really strengthens hamas. if we really want to undermine and weaken hamas, israel needs to not only respond militarily, it needs to show palestinians that israel's right to exist and pursuing their cause nonviolently works. this government has made that course a failure. >> mark, i want to talk to you, what he said is bipartisan, i want to you take a listen to both sides today. >> i think america must send this clear public and united message. israel is our friend and

israel's enemies are our enemies. and as long -- [ applause ] as long as i'm speaker of the house, i give you my word, this will be our cause. >> this is a time of worry. for all who care about israel. but here's one thing you never have to worry about. america's support for the state of israel. >> so bipartisan support for israel. i want to go back to something you told me yesterday. you said the u.s. should impose sanctions against israel. you just heard folks from opposite sides of the aisle there giving uncompromising support for israel. are israel's interests much in line with the united states, much more so than hamas? >> they're very much much more in line. united states's interests in the region. it is why they have unequivocal

support. and supporting israel as an american politician is like kissing a baby. it is the safest position to take. of course we want to protect israel's right to exist. no one wants to see israeli lives lost. no one wants to see anything but protection for israeli lives but that can't come at the expense of palestinian lives. this is an opportunity for united states to exercise moral leadership and speak against this offensive siege in gaza. that's my point. i don't want to see israel lose its right to defend itself. i want to see it stop with the offense in gaza. and it is important to say. yes, israel has a right to defend it sfrefl outside threats and he draws the comparison, what would you do if you were in the united states. a very different circumstances. you can't on the one handled assume an occupation role and then treat it as a foreign power. you can't occupy it and then treat it like a foreign territory and launch threats against it. they have an international

responsibility according to hague regulations to treat gaza very differently. that's the point. >> just wrong. that's just wrong. israel ended its occupation completely in 2005. >> that's untrue. >> that's disingenuous. >> no. it is absolutely true. >> hang on, alan. why is it not true? >> hold. on. >> it's not true because there are international standards for occupation. they still control electromagnetic base, the population registry, every single measure of occupation. >> the united states government, according to the united states government, israel occupies gaza. >> we're not talking about now. we're talking about 2005, 2007. israel will always have to have a military presence in the west bank as a security border. that is an unconditional requirement for israel's successful both of your speakers have very short memories.

they forget had 2000, 2001 israel offered to end the occupation. to create a two-state solution. arafat said no. olmert offered to create a two-state solution. abbas did not respond. that israel has since 1948 favored the two-state solution. >> no, no, no. >> two weeks ago this israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said very explicitly he does not support the two-state solution. so we are now in a reality -- >> that's not true. >> it is true. >> he said israel would maintain permanent military control over the west bank. that is not -- >> and a two-state solution. >> you cannot have a palestinian state in which israel has permanent military control of it. >> when the other palestinian state stops sending rockets, that will end. a military occupation can continue until the military threat is over. that is clear under international law. >> so now you're conceding it

was a military occupation. >> there is no military occupation in gaza. there is in the west bank. don't put words in my mouth, please. >> in 2005, you're right. 8,000 settlers were moved out. there was a shift. however, palestinian people in gaza, people in gaza have not exercised one day of self-governance, one day of control, one day where their movements haven't been completely controlled. >> that's not true. between 2005 and 2007, they had an election. >> let mark finish and then we'll let peter finish. >> jimmy carter monitored it. between 2005 and 2007, israel had a security perimeter inside the gaza strip from which palestinians were barred from entering. how on earth can you say that israel was not occupying between 2005 and 2007? >> it was not occupying it. they were free. they could have created a state. they could have built beautiful -- remember the settlers? the israelis left the settlement. they left the settlement, they

left hot houses, green houses. they could have built a beautiful, beautiful state. instead they turned to rockets. they turned to tunnels. they used all of their resources, not to feed their residents. tonight help their residents but to build tunnels and to build rockets, to try to destroy israel's right the exist. that's the reality. you cannot paint that in a more positive way. >> how come you had a leader who did accept israel's right to exist. >> and they made a miss -- they offered him a state. >> no. not this government. this government has not been willing to put any map on the territory and has never accepted the '67 lines. >> okay. we're going to have to wrap it up. we're going to have to wrap it up. alan, you get a word in. everyone will get a word. quickly. >> olmert is part of the israeli government. they offered a state. they did not accept it. they now regret it. i wish we could have a two-state solution with peace on both sides. >> peter?

>> we have now a palestinian leader who is within the clinton parameters publicly stated that bill clinton laid out in december 2000 an israeli government that is not. this may be hard for supporters of the two state solution to come to terms with but it is the reality. >> mark? >> there's nothing more frustrating than this idea somehow that the palestinian people had the opportunity for shangry la and instead turned to violence. it is simply -- >> it's true. >> repeating that it is true doesn't make it true. >> mark, continue. >> as soon as hamas was elected in 2006 there is a a military situation. the point is -- >> rockets. >> that is not after the rockets. gaza is an open air prison. >> after the rockets. >> alan, let him finish. you had your chance. go ahead. >> gaza is an open air prison. people's movements are restricted, people's ability to self-determine is restricted. in the midst of all of that, to look at rockets and tunnel to

say israel is on the defensive is untrue. it is empirically untrue. >> let's hope lives will stop being lost very soon. thank you very much. i want to show you the skies above gaza. the sun is coming up. let's hope the shelling has ended for the day and permanently. as we know, the likelihood of that, not great. when we come right back, cnn has launched the new show "the hunt" with john walsh. one fugitive who was featured on the program was tracked down right here in new york city and the shoot-out followed that. more on what happened next. celebrate your love of crab with gthis year's largest variety!. 'cause it's crabfest at red lobster! dig into a succulent selection of crab entrées. like new crab lover's trio! with sweet snow crab legs, split king crab, and jumbo lump crab over savory shrimp. crab three ways! all on one plate. or try new jumbo lump crab over wood-grilled salmon. experience crabfest at red lobster today.

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s. we want to talk with that wild shoot out in lower manhattan. authorities were trying to arrest the child molester, charlie mozdir. he was tracked down from tips after being featured in "the hunt". tell us what happened when officers tracked him to that scene today? >> reporter: this is the shop behind me.

you can see the white lights behind me. that's where the shoot-out ham. mozdir seemed to know task force was coming for him. this is the u.s. marshals. one of the detect yifls on that task force had made a visual. other individuals responded when they entered the store. he pulled out a gun and began firing. one of the detectives in the abdomen, he hit another in the leg. another was injured with what appears to be a shrapnel or a bullet to the arm as well. they opened fire back, taking him down. he was killed, pronounced dead on the scene. right now police are combing through video to try to discover whatever clues then to discover how this all played out. a lot more in the 11:00 hour. >> thank you vex. i elizabeth smart was kidnapped at the age of 14 and held camdenive for nine months. thank you both for joining us. america's most wanted, you did it for 25 years. this is the first capture on

"the hunt." this is what you live for. >> this is a fantastic result. this is a guy i profiled a week ago and as ed will tell you in a second, i'm the father of a murdered child. he is the father of a missing child that was recovered. these are the guys i hate the most. this is the guy on the run for two years. while he was on the run, he told people that he was going to come back and kill this little boy's father for courage him in. so there is a big sigh of relief tonight that charles mozdir is off this planet. and they knew he was armed. >> right. we got some great tips last week and we got some tips when they reaired the show just before the original show on sunday night. >> i waxtched it sunday night, actually. i fell asleep to it. how important is it for the public to speak up? >> you know, i think there isn't a greater resource out there than the public. one of the things that john does

consistently is call upon that resource and really drill into them how important their role is in finding children and helping to catch these predators. i mean, they're out there. they're out there to do harm. and it is amazing to see how the response is. john is always just elicited this huge response from the public. and law enforcement overall, i believe, the more they use the resource of the public, the greater effect, the quicker we find these creeps and these bad people. so this is exciting. i'm thrilled for john and for "the hunt" and i hope it brings down many more and really thank the public in elizabeth's case. >> ed, if i can get in here, in

this family's case, they wanted to share their story to prevent mozdir from hurting anyone but they asked that their identities not be revealed so their son would not be stigmatized. how hard is it for families to speak out in these cases when children have been abused? it is important they do it but it's hard. >> the issue really boils down to the child, or the person that is being, that has been abused. you have this threat out. there it was just like elizabeth. how they control the victim is by saying, you know, if you don't do what i tell you to do, or if it is a member of the family, i'm going to kill, i'm going to come back and do that. certainly in our case, elizabeth felt that there wasn't any question that mitchell would have come back and tried to hurt a member of the family. so it's something that is very real. but it is also, you know, you have to understand that they

don't really have that kind of control that they claim they do. and so moving forward and being able to bring these creeps to put them in jail, put them where they belong. >> justice. >> absolutely. >> hey, john. can i ask you this? the little boy is very brave to speak out. and his mom and dad, you know, he told them at a young age. and i told you my experience. i didn't tell my parents until i was 30 years old. how important is it to foster a relationship like that with your children where they're open enough? >> it is incredibly important, and talking about elizabeth smart, who now when she has a chance, speaks on behalf of the national center for missing and exploited children. and so do her mother lois and her father ed. we always talk about being proactive. we talk about education, we talk about opening that bond of trust. i don't care if it is the priest, the minister, the ran identification it is uncle bill or grandpa bob.

you can tell me or tell someone you trust and we will do something about it. it is vitally important to open those lines of communication with your children. 80% of crimes that happen to children are by trusted authority figure. this guy was the child's godfather. a roommate of the father in college. >> we always say people are not who they present themselves to be in public ufrl a perfect example of turning the worst thing into helping other people and i wish everyone can do that. ed, you as well. thank you so much for joining us. coming up, john will be back with us at 11:00 p.m. and we'll have a special on what you just did. coming up, we'll talk about the massive explosions in gaza but there's turmoil. it has spread around the world. americans are feeling the tension.

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we're following breaking news in the middle east will israel launching air strikes all night long in gaza. al-aqsa television is reporting the house of a senior political leader of hamas has been hit. that deadly battle is just one example of violence in hot spots around the world that's

troubling to many americans. here's jean casarez. >> reporter: another day, another round of anxiety on the world stage. israel's operation protective edge in its third week with no lasting cease fire in sight. fresh rockets from the israeli side tonight. the american embassy in libya evacuated over the weekend because of increasing violence in tripoli. and new worries about afghanistan where a government you had a why it shows nearly half a million weapons supplied by the u.s. to afghan security forces may end up in the hands of taliban insurgents. after the shootdown of flight 17, concerns about the potential threat from russia and the provocative leader vladimir putin as the u.s. and europe agree on stronger sanctions against russia. terror expert phillip mudd. >> the willingness to use these weapons against neighbors with a

major assumer power. i would assume them to be a super power. the willingness to use force is a deep concern. >> it is enough to fray the nerves of ordinary americans. >> planes are falling out of the sky. that's scary. >> tuesday could possibly be a target in the future getting involved in other people's conflicts but it is something we should do since we're neutral in wars, i don't know. >> reporter: anxieties repeated. showing nearly 60% of americans are either very worried or somewhat worried about another terrorist attack on u.s. soil. u.s. officials are concerned about the threats from isis, the terror group that now calls itself simply the islamic state. isis became a household name after recently taking over key iraqi cities within days. another concern, isis members with u.s. or european passports heading to the region to train.

one positive in all of this, unlike the days after september 11, authorities now know better what they are dealing with. >> we have a sense of who the adversary is. what we can and can't do to oppose that adversary and the amount of uncertainty is reduced with that big asterisk. >> reporter: cnn, new york. >> i've asked to you tweet us if you feel unsafe. tonight the experts are answering your questions. i'm joined now by cnn analyst rick francona, miles o'brian, bob bair and always former cia operative. good evening. are you doing okay? >> good. >> fine, thanks. >> good. i'm going to start with you, rick, as you have told me. we saw in jean's piece, americans are init's creasingly worried about the impact of all this around the world and what's going on. as we look at the shelling in

gaza tonight, how much of this is destabilizing to u.s., the u.s. and its interests? >> well, all of them in total destabilize the whole world. and of course our interests are worldwide. of course we have to be involved in this. and he know everybody in the united states is war weary. we're withdrawing from wars and we don't want to get involved in anymore. sometimes you only get one vote. the other guy gets a vote as well. if we face a threat from the islamic state, isis, whatever they're calling themselves now. if they set up a quasi state in what is now iraq and syria and they start exporting terrorism, we're going to have to deal with that whether we want to or not. >> bob, today u.s. and europe agreed to impose tough new sanctions against russia. this time financial energy and the defense sectors. it will have any effect on putin's behavior? a lot of people have told me that he really doesn't care about sanctions.

>> he doesn't care. this man is bloody minded. he went into chechnya. he is not going to give up eastern ukraine. he is going to hit back hard against the ukrainians. you have to do real long term damage to russia to get him to change his mind. he is very popular. he has national support. you know, that's just half our problem overseas. the other is the jihadists. they're here in this country. >> gaza is inflaming them. we have an islamic state in iraq. their surface to air missiles as you saw, refurbishing the batteries, all over africa, all over the middle east. the uae has canceled flights, crossing the corridor over iraq because they're worried about surface-to-air missiles. so i think it is inevitable and it will involve american victims. how worried should traveller be about surface-to-air

missiles? >> statistically i think that is a remote possibility. certainly it is more dangerous getting to the airport in the car you drive. having said that, i think we've learned a lot about how the airlines manage risk in flying over war zones. and i hope they've learned some good lessons about what their vulnerabilities might be. a lot of this has to do with what we talked about before 9/11. the failure of imagination. airlines assumed if they were above the altitude that a shoulder-fired, heat seeking missile can go, say, 15,000 to 17,000 feet, they were safe. they're not. they need to rethink things. i don't think people should be turning around and staying home and cowering under the covers. >> i want to get your questions in. you know how i like to do this. will we ever see the aviation authorities document a proactive attitude toward flight safety versus their current reactive mode? we saw what happened with ben gurion airport. they're starting to department, no? >> if you'll recall, it was the

airline that implemented. that so no. i don't have a lot of faith in the regulators. we talked about the targeters. don lemon, my biggest fear has been our water systems. if terrorists poison our water, we would go down fast. how sophisticated a plot would that have to be? >> very sophisticated. there are a lot easier things to do in this country. going back to traditional suicide bombings, acetone and peroxide bombs. they're easy to make. any number of ways they can hit us. i hate to bring this up but it is a real problem. that's the bored he. it is easy to get across. if you're isis and you've decided you have to strike at the united states, you simply send people into texas or california. >> rick, how about americans and europeans going to the middle east and training with terror groups and then coming back? they have passports, easy access into the country. what's the concern? >> this is the big fear. the gold standard is the

american passport. if you can recruit a young jihadi or send him overseas, send him to syria, get him into the field, get him some training, send him to pakistan, weapons training, explosives training. he doesn't have to worry about going through the border in texas. he can walk right through jfk and he is back home and can begin his own jihad here. it is a real problem and there are people watching that now. >> as always, we appreciate it. thank you, gentlemen. appreciate it. this is hardly the first time the u.s. has been directly involved in the middle east turmoil. when we come back, shocking comments about israel made by president richard nixon and recorded on secret oval office tapes. about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states,

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for generations, u.s. presidents have been involved in the turmoil in the middle east trying to broker peace. so far with little successful joining me now, douglas brinkley, presidential historian and author of the nixon tapes. it is very interesting. i've seen you everywhere with these. a lot of interest from the public. we talk about the fighting in israel now? it has been going on for centuries.

can any one president do anything to broker peace or bring peace to that region? >> it is very tough. in october '73, henry kissinger was able to get involved with the yom kippur war. that's when egypt and syria invaded israel. and kissinger did a lot of back hand negotiating and eventually started setting the bar if you could for jimmy carter and the camp david peace accords. it actually grew out of war. it is important when we're watching what's going on in gaza to recognize, we can't give up on the two-state solution. we have to keep fighting for peace if you're the u.s. government. >> it's funny that you should mention henry kissinger who was nixon's national security adviser. he didn't want his own national security adviser to get involved in any talks or anything to do with israel because he was jewish. let's take listen and then we'll talk. >> i know as fair as he can

possibly be, he can't help but be affected by it. you know, his people were crucified over there. five million of them popped into bake ovens. it's wrong for the country, for american policy in the middle east to be made by a jew. and he ought to recognize that. if anything goes wrong -- >> what do you make of that? >> anti-semitism. nixon always seemed to say something anti-semitic. here it is, henry kissinger trying to do the diplomacy who was jewish and his own boss nixon sort of making smears about kissinger like that. the unpleasant side of nixon. he does the opening of china and diplomacy with all the soviet union that you can applaud. but the kind of bigotry that comes out of these tapes is

unacceptable for an american president. >> i think you're being rather kind. the language he used, to pop into baked ovens. >> you should hear him on, people from india. there's a book called the blood telegram by professor gary bass of froins. people need to read it. you will see the way nixon thought about people from india. it is really uncomfortable material when you look at how the two of them talked. and then operated. it is cold-blooded realism in foreign policy. it is about big powers and they don't care about little people. yet kissinger, nixon are always scoring points against each other. so it is a bit of a psycho drama. >> i don't want to quote you wrong. you said kissinger went out of his way to avoid bias and then he talks about the treatment of jews in the soviet union.

>> yeah. i find that kind of talk just stunning. here the soviet union is repressing people. there is no fdr for freedom going on there and here kissinger is saying we don't care about them. let russia deal with their problems. we wouldn't like it if russia told us what to do with african-americans. at one point he says i don't care if the soviet jews go into the gas chamber. that's the quote. >> have we done more harm than good when it comes to dealing with the middle east? >> we were great to support the creation of israel in 1948 and there's different great moments. but it is tough for to us dictate what's going on. we are so committed to israel. our great ally for a lot of great reasons. the democracy in the region. but sometimes it just gets out

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at the top of the hour we'll bring you more on the else of cnn's "the hunt" on the search for charles mozdir. he was a suspected child molester and he was killed today in a shoot-out with new york city police. john walsh will join me live. but right now it is time to spotlight another series. african lions are teeth, you on the brink of extinction. this week's hero is battling to change that. >> 60 years ago there were probably half a million lions in africa. today there's less than 30,000 lions in all of africa. if we don't do something soon, there will be no lions left. maybe in 10, 15 years, who knows? i spent a year living in the

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