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time now for "cnn tonight" tonight, the stories that you'll be talking about tomorrow. the outbreak of ebola in africa is growing worse. an american named patrick sawyer who was working in liberia has contracted the disease and has died. his wife will be on cnn's new day tomorrow morning. make sure you tune in. i'm don lemon. thanks for watching. that's it for us tonight. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. it's 11:00 p.m. on the east coast of the united states, and it's a big night on many fronts. breaking news out of gaza. international inspectors make an ugly discovery, rockets being hidden at a school in gaza, and not for the first time. also tonight president obama announcing new sanctions on russia over ukraine and the downing of flight 17. and fielding the question a lot of people have been asking ever since. >> is this a new cold war, sir? >> new developments on that. and at the crash site. also tonight the outbreak of
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the worst ebola outbreak yet. it is deepening. it's getting worse. we saw the first american fatality. a man on his last stop before heading home. the world now grappling with the terrifying prospect of laeb spreading by air travelers. we begin tonight with the breaking news. breaking news that bolsters a key israeli argument about hamas, that it uses civilian facilities such as schools to hide weapons. prior to the outbreak of facilities, u.n. inspectors twice uncovered rockets at a school it runs in gaza. today with the battle raging a third discovery of rockets at a u.n. school. it comes at the end of 24 hours of fighting that tonight leaves gaza in piles of rubble and much of it entirely in the dark. >> out of this side of the building [ bleep ]. you would have seen the sight --
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>> cut. >> to some the scenes we have seen over the last 24 hours. a very active period in a battle that is now entering week four. and now the breaking news, the discovery of rockets at the u.n. school in gaza. wolf blitzer is monitoring that development in jerusalem, joins us with the latest. wolf, what is the latest on this weapons cache? >> well, the united nations says they did find some weapons, hamas weapons in a united nations school. not the first time they say this has happened. the school was not really in business right now. it wasn't operational. but it is still very disturbing. of course the israelis make the point that sometimes they go after these targets if there is a school, if there is other u.n. facilities. at the same time, a lot of palestinians and hamas say these are not necessarily all that common. they're isolated incidents. but the israelis don't believe it.
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and it's part of the continuing battle if you will between israel and hamas over who is responsible when all is said and done for all the palestinian casualties. >> wolf, you just spoke to the palestinian ambassador to the u.n. what did he say? >> well, he says that no u.n. facility should be house anything kinds of weapons in gaza or any place else. riyadh month monsoor is the representative. at the same time he says what says doing is obscene, outrageous. he says israel is disproportionately going after civilian targets. the israelis make the case it's a small area, and hamas deliberately places its weapons in civilian areas, including u.n. facilities. and the united nations has acknowledged that there has been some cases where they have found hamas arsenals in u.n. facilities whether they're schools or other u.n. relief center, hospitals, other places along the lines. >> wolf, a senior israeli official told cnn today that says ready for a ceasefire. it doesn't seem to be a ceasefire anywhere in sight at the moment, does there?
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>> no, i don't think so. although i'm hearing that there are some diplomatic activity, back channel events going on right now. thing is a real split within the israeli cabinet of prime minister netanyahu. some of the ministers are much more inclined for a ceasefire. others more of the hard liners, they don't want a ceasefire. they want to crush hamas right now. they want to in their words finish the job. but some in 'tisly cabinet say you know what? that's not going to happen. the israelis are going to come under a lot of international pressure, including pressure from the u.s. they would like to destroy as many of those tunnels as possible. to destroy as many of those rockets, the infrastructure as possible. but when all is said and done, there presumably will be a ceasefire, sooner probably rather than later. but it might not be in the next few days. >> wolf, thanks very much, wolf. we showed you at the top of the broadcast, gaza is taking a pounding the last 24 hours. hamas turned down a ceasefire. both sides again appear to be digging in. and tonight more flares, more warplanes overhead, more explosions. it seems again tonight a recipe
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for many more long nights and deadly days ahead. our karl penhaul has been there through some of the worse of it. he joins us again from gaza city. karl, as wolf just said, this is not the first time weapons like this have been found at a u.n. facility. >> we have had direct communication with the united nations saying that rockets had been stored in u.n. facilities in the schools and on one occasion in fact the rockets that had been placed there that had been discovered there, u.n. staff left them unattended. and when they got back, the rockets had been removed. >> it's obviously been incredibly eventful 24 hours. highways the latest tonight? >> the latest tonight, we have seen across in eastern gaza in the tafar area. some heavy ordnance being dropped from f-16 fighter bombers. in fact, just now in the distance you can hear the thud that was down in southeast gaza, it seems to me. but what i saw across in the
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tafur neighborhood in eastern gaza appear to be 2,000-pound bombs being dropped from the f-16s. and the f-16s made several passes over in the course of the afternoon as well. large bombs of the same size being dropped in that area. i would guess because of the size of the explosions because of the weight of the ordnance that perhaps they're trying to destroy something underground, perhaps one of those tunnel complexes. but we have nod confirmation than from the israeli military just yesterday, anderson. otherwise overhead here in central gaza city, we're hearing the drones up once again. and they're up there precisely because they're looking for targets. and yeah, another pounding of a bomb going off in the distance as well. >> it is extraordinary the repetitive nature of all this. when i was there in 2012, we got some video of that. israelis fired at the same building that we saw being
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struck behind you last night. this is back in 2012. we were standing exactly where you're standing, watching what appeared to be two missiles going into either side of that building. i remember running down. that's the same building where al aqsa radio was hit last night while you were on the air. it really speaks to the kind of repetitive nature of this. >> it does beg a belief really, doesn't it, that the hamas organization, both the political and the military wings understand that their infrastructure is going to be argued the. the israeli military accuses the al aqsa wing. that's why they say they argued the it. but they don't seem to move it. like you say, hit in 2012 when you were reporting from here. it was hit with three strikes last night. and also as well while you and i were tuning air, a section of
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the finance ministry, which is only about 500 yards from where we are on the other side of the building, that was also hit. i remember when i was here in 2008-2009 in that confrontation. again, the finance ministry hit then. it does seem to be that a number of the targets continue to be hit. >> karl penhaul, be careful, karl, thank you. three weeks into the war, more than a thousand fatalities later, there seems no clear sign whether israel intends to wind down military operations in several days or embark on a much longer running course of action, as prime minister netanyahu warned yesterday. joining us also in jerusalem is mr. regev. mr. regev, why the intensity at this point? as the scope of the operation expanded? >> not the scope. the goal remains the same, to stop those rockets coming in on israeli cities and to prevent hamas terrorists from infiltrating across the border
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through the tunnels, trying to kill our people. we had a chance yesterday to de-escalate. well tried that very seriously. unfortunately, hamas was not interested in just increased its attacks upon us. and today we're responding in time -- in kind. >> yesterday, though, you talked about -- it's not just about the tunnels. it's not just about the rockets. you talked about a demilitarized gaza. i just don't understand how you're able -- you think you can achieve a demilitarized gaza without occupying, without actually having boots on the ground there. >> first of all, it's not going to be easy. but if i can give the parameters, i'd put hit the way. first of all, we are through our military activity and through the fact that they're using a lot of their munitions firing at us, when this is over, hamas' stock of weapons will be considerably depleted. the israeli ministry is acting to dismantle that formidable hamas machine. that's one part of it. the second part is that we're
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hopeful that when this is over that hamas leadership will understand that they can't shoot rockets at israel with impunity. and thirdly, this is the most important element, that we want to make sure that hamas cannot rearm. because that's what happened after the previous rounds. and if hamas can rearm, then you're back to square one, and we have to do all this in a year and no one wants to revisit this sort of conflict. so preventing hamas from rearming is making sure that those countries who support hamas, and there aren't many there is only basically three. that's iran, qatar, and turkey. we have to make sure that those countries first of all don't ship weapons to hamas and that if they do so, those weapons are intercepted along the way before they reach the gaza strip. >> today we saw a strike hitting gaza's only power plant. the head of the power plant says he believes it was an israeli tank shell or shells that hit the plant. can you say definitively that says not responsible for that strike? >> yes. all the information i have says
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israel is not responsible. first of all, the head of the power plant is working for the hamas-controlled government. and i don't think he can say anything else. he can only blame israel. but we did not target that power station. and i can tell you, we also checked to make sure it wasn't errant fire. and we spoke to all the relevant units, both ground forces and the air force. and no one was aware that they targeted the plant. and i remind you, anderson, it's important to remember, about 10% of all hamas rockets that firing out of the gaza strip fall -- they misfunction and they fall in the gaza strip. that's what happened yesterday at the hospital. >> have you heard anything concrete about a renewed ceasefire? are there talks going on behind the scenes? there. >> are talks going on in parallel to the military operation against terrorist targeting gaza. the phones have been ringing and conversations are happening. and if it's possible to find a diplomatic solution, that would be a good thing.
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probably the military operation and the increased pressure on hamas from our forces can augment, can help move forward a diplomatic solution. >> mark regev, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> a lot more to talk about tonight. as always, set your dvr so you can watch 360 whenever you want. why israel targets hamas media and a look at the message that hamas sends out to gaza and the world. the propaganda front in this battle in the war that has been rung now for years, when we continue.
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again, tonight, much of gaza is in darkness, homes without power, sewage plants not pumping, the result of massive explosions at gaza's only power plant. we've been talking about this sense of deja vu, the same targets hit again and again over the years there is also the propaganda angle, the fight over who is responsible for this and several other high profile attacks. the war for public opinion also explains why israel is hitting al aqsa radio and television, especially the tv outlet, which has been a key vehicle for hamas to get its message out. take a look.
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al aqsa tv is presented as a combination of news and entertainment. ♪ the theme of hamas rising up against israel is a near constant undercurrent. in this video, hamas fighters triumphantly tunnel into israel. attack israeli targets, then sneak back into the tunnels and return home as heroes. the station is used to broadcast messages directly from hamas leadership. in the first days of conflict, the group's spokesman encouraged gaza residents to act as human shields, saying, quote, do not comply with the war of rumors and psychological warfare that the zionist enemy is waging upon you. al aqsa's news anchors also tow the party line. how many children has hamas killed? zero, the anchor says. how many women has hamas killed? zero. how many children have israel killed? over 400. how many did they hit? thousands.
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saying later, all of the martyrs are civilians. all of them. ♪ al aqsa began to broadcast in gaza in 2006 shortly after hamas won a landslide victory in palestinian elections. in 2007, they garnered international scrutiny with this children's program featuring a mickey mouse like character named farfor. who was killed by an israeli interrogator. beyond the clear hamas propaganda, al aqsa tv also broadcasts from the field. they're often the first on the scene of air strikes broadcasting some of the most searing images of the conflict. israelis say these are themselves propaganda, an effort by hamas to garner sympathy around the world. and part of the reason israel
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targeted al aqsa's headquarters, saying in part al aqsa was used to, quote, incite palestinians against israel and to transmit orders and messages to hamas operatives. we want to look closer at the lens the palestinians see themselveses through the rest of the world. we turn to a former adviser of the palestinian authority's 2004 to 2009 permanent status talks with israel, he is currently a fellow at the brookings institution center for middle east policy. thanks so much for being was. >> thanks for having me. >> israel says hamas uses al aqsa to quote, transmit orders and messages to hamas operatives. that true in your opinion? >> it may. i think it's not unusual for governments to use their media to reinforce their own messages. israel does it. egypt does it. that's what state or government-controlled media do. and i think you can make a very similar case in israel, for
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example, where you have kind of the inversion of hamas's propaganda where you don't see body counts and you don't see dead children and women and civilians on israeli television. so i think it's part and parcel of flight. it's part and parcel of politics in a way. >> the ceasefire put forward by president abbas, hamas and gaza quickly rejected it. later some hamas officials in beirut told cnn they could agree to it. how much division is there within hamas? >> well, i think there is some division between the political wing which is mostly outside of gaza and the military wing inside gaza. and i think it's not unusual. there was some division even before the current crisis started. difference of an opinion on how to proceed. whether in terms of national
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reconciliation with the palestinian authority in the west bank or how to proceed with regard to what hamas refers to as resistance. 10 there was already a division. and i think the conflict has exacerbated that. but much to the advantage of the hard liners. any time you have massive death toll like what you have in gaza and, you know, there is always going to be a strengthening of the position of hard-liners. >> and would you say it's also weakened the palestinian authority in the eyes of the palestinians? >> oh, for sure. i think the palestinian authority looks weak and incompetent. they are unable to influence any of the key actors in this scenario. not hamas, not israel, not the united states. i think to some extent the united states is trying to bring mahmoud abbas and the palestinian authority into this to make them relevant. but, yes, this crisis has highlighted the weakness of the
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current palestinian leadership. and actually why it was so important to have a unified palestinian pollity to begin with. >> when you hear the israel government spokesman talking about a demilitarized gaza, i just don't see the reality of that happening, do you? >> well, what israel would like is for the international community to do it. because it has not been able to do it itself. not when it directly occupied gaza before 2005 from 1967 until 2005. and now, of course, we a full-blown blockade by air, land, and sea, it hasn't been able to limit hamas' rearming. in fact, these -- this is about the seventh major military operation in gaza over the last nine years or so. the most serious ones being in
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the last five years. and in 2008 and 2009, israel killed 1400 palestinians, most of them civilians with the same exact mission. in fact, this could be a replay of that 22-day conflict this time around. and what happened since then, hamas rockets became more advanced, more sophisticated, more numerous. and so there simply is not a way to pound gaza into submission or to demilitarize by force. militarization and violence is a function of occupation and the blockade that is a response to those conditions. and so there will be no demilitarization i think as long as there is a blockade and israeli occupation. >> khaled elgindy, i appreciate you being on. thanks very much. coming up, the killing of three easily teenagers, their bodies found in the west bank nearly one month ago. that's what started this latest round as the death toll rises,
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the blame game being played out in the current conflict in gaza has the recent roots in the kidnapping of three israeli teenagers whose bodies were found at the beginning of this month. there are two versions of the murders, murders that played out on this program last night. israel immediately blamed the murders on hamas. but some palestinians say has yet to produce any evidence. a palestinian affairs expert we spoke to last night say this would be the kind of attack hamas normally would claim responsibility for. last night a top israeli spokesman related his position that hamas is indeed responsible. randi kaye has more. >> reporter: they are abducted in the dark of night while attempting to hitchhike home from religious school in the west bank. it's june 12th when the three israeli teenagers go missing. realizing they're in danger, one manages to make this call for help.
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>> it's the last anyone hears from them. three days later, june 15th, the boys still aren't home. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu publicly blames the terror group hamas, warning of serious consequences. >> this attack should surprise no one. because hamas makes no secret of its agenda. hamas is committed to the destruction of israel and to carrying out terrorist attacks against israeli civilians, including children. >> reporter: but he offers no proof hamas is directly involved. >> translator: netanyahu's comments are stupid comments. the occupation is totally responsible for the escalation in the west bank against our people and leadership. >> reporter: june 20th. operation brother's keeper begins in the west bank. a full-scale effort to find the three israeli teenagers.
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more than a thousand homes are searched. more than 150 palestinian suspects are detained. ten days later, june 30th, the bodies of the missing boys are discovered in the west bank. >> three innocent boy that did nothing, did nothing wrong in their lives. they're so holy. they're so pure. and this hamas just want to kill them. >> reporter: the israeli prime minister delivers on his threats. with israel launches air strikes into gaza and the west bank shortly after the bodies are found. they destroyed the homes of two suspects in the kidnapping that israel calls hamas terrorists. the abducted teenagers are buried the next day, july 1st. hamas also quick to claim credit for acts of terror denies it ordered the killings and questions swirl about whether or not they are really involved. a day later, july 2nd, a 17-year-old palestinian teen is
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abducted while heading to a mosque. his body found later in a jerusalem neighborhood. he had been burned alive. israel condemns it, calling it a revenge killing. the next day, july 3rd, a cell phone captures this horrifying video of what appears to be israeli police beating a palestinian-american teenager, stomping on him and kicking him. he is the cousin of the palestinian teen killed the day before. israel is investigating, questioning whether the teen was an innocent bystander. on july 7th, israel launches operation protective edge to stop rocket fire into israel. over 100 air strikes since then, over a thousand dead. mostly palestinian civilians. what began with the death of three young teens now a full-out war, and still no proof of how it started. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> former u.s. special envoy to
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the middle east and former senate majority leader george mitchell joins me now. this current conflict, senator, what do you make of it? here we are three weeks in and there doesn't seem to be any end in sight. >> well, i think that both sides are calculating their gains and losses. and i think fairly soon the time will come when they'll coincide in deciding that it's in their interests to end this round of the conflict. both are suffering some losses. both are making substantial gains. and so when that balance is achieved, that they both decide it's time to stop, i think there will be a ceasefire, as there has been in the past. >> what is in the interests of both of them that would make them stop, in the interests of israel and in the interests of hamas? >> well, israel's gains are substantial in terms of degrading hamas's a capability, first through the tunnels to have its fighters enter israel, and then secondly its capacity
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to launch missiles to israel. and the disadvantage to israel, of course, is the increasing outcry around the world over the large number of palestinians killed, the death and destruction among many innocent civilians. and i think once they complete the tunnel operation and they substantially degrade the rocket capability, it will be time for them to take some action. on hamas side, they're desperate. they've been ineffective. they haven't governed well. they haven't produced anything for the people. and that's why they keep saying they need to end the blockade, which is important in terms of quality of life for people there before they'll stop the rockets. >> have you -- you've defended the secretary of state john kerry just in recent days from some of the criticism that has come his way in israel. does it surprise you the level of criticism against him?
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>> no. that comes with the territory. feelings are very strong in the region. keep in mind that israel is a democracy. there are all points just like in the united states. many people support the u.s. government. many people strongly opposed to the current administration. people express contrary and differing views all the time. that's the same way in israel. so you can expecan't expect thee criticism, particularly many don't agree there should be a palestinian state. and therefore they're not inclined to support a policy which has that as its objective. but anderson, let's be clear. the united states is the dominant economic and military power in the world. every country in the world thinks that our policy ought to favor them. when i first went to the middle east, i went to 17 countries,
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and i met with the leaders there many, many times. and every time they would criticize american policy, i would ask them, well, what do you think our policy should be? and without exception, they wanted our policy to be consistent with their country's interests. so you is a do accept as the dominant power with a sense of maturity and some degree of resignation that you're going to get criticized. people expect us to solve every problem this the world. we don't have that capability. we have an unequal capacity to influence events. and that's what the secretary is trying to do. and i think ultimately, it will be in the interests of both sides obvious to them to end the fighting. the next step will be to get to the point where they can negotiate. i think that's a way off. >> it certainly seems like it. senator mitchell, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. just ahead tonight, 12 davis flight 17 was shot down in eastern ukraine, investigators still unable to get the work done, still unable to get to the crash site.
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ukraine to tell you about. a short time ago president obama announced new sanctions against russia over support for the rebels in russian ukraine and the do you think of flight 17. >> but we've also made it clear, as i have many times, that if russia continues on its current path, the cost on russia will continue to grow. and today is a reminder that the united states means what it says. >> the european union has also expanded its sanctions in russia the last 24 hours. so far none of the sanctions have stopped the fighting or the flow of weapons into ukraine. on the contrary, seems to be getting worse. today cnn's nick paton walsh was within 17 miles of the crash, had to head to safer ground. take a look. >> we're now hearing what seems like an exchange of artillery between the two sides. it's time to move back away from here. we love along with many other locals, some of foot, all now fleeing down a road the inspectors want to travel up. this what awaited them when they
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tried to reconnoiter the side later that day. >> that's why for the third straight day a team had to turn back. i'll talk to someone on the team in a moment. first, nick walsh payton joins us from donetsk. how close were you able to get? >> we were i think within 10 to 15 miles of what is that large, sprawling crash site. it's a very similar picture. the town lies between donetsk here, the main city of a million today where a residential apartment block was hit by shelling and the crash site itself. it's really the reason why they keep having to turn back. it was hit for the last three days in a row. we were with them yesterday when they got close and had to turn around. shelling inside, as you saw there. we actually saw that shelling hit the town itself today. it seems to be still under the control of militants, but they're shaky, they're tired, poorly equipped, cut off perhaps in some ways and they don't know whether the ukrainian soldiers are, but they do feel encircled.
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that's why it's so hard to get to the site, because the front lines constantly change, anderson. >> u.s. officials said ukrainian military fired at short range missiles at rebels within the last 48 hours. have the ukrainian officials responded? >> they said yes, we did not use such weaponry. i have to say hearing the booms that happened this time of night so regularly on the outskirts of donetsk. it's possible they are. find everything they can to get the advantage in this brutal fight. and bear in mind too the separatist commander strelkov, sort of a mythical figure almost amongst the militants here yesterday gave a very hastily arranged press conference. but he did say in the last 48 hours the ukrainian army had been use investigator heavy weaponry even for him in his words. so yes, there is certainly a lot of heavy weaponry being you'd here right. now it's making it very dangerous in civilians.
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one killed in the attack on the apartment block we saw earlier today. >> a lot of civilians being killed in this conflict. nick paton walsh we appreciate it. stay safe. the seem of osce investigators had to turn back before reaching the crash site. it's now been 12 days since the plane was shot down. michael bociurkiw, a spokesman for the osce joins me today. michael, this is the third day in a row where you haven't been able to get out to the site. what happened today? >> what happened today, anderson, is there were a lot of talks going on in kiev and here and donetsk. and we, the osce mission took the mission to do a reconnaissance trip. it was only two vehicles today. of course, we were all heavily kited up. and we made it as far as we made the other day, two-thirds to the crash site. once we got there, it was clear that the bombing, the shelling was extremely heavy. in fact, at one point we had to take cover next to our vehicles because it was so bad. but what this indicates, once again, is that one or both sides
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are not honoring their commitment sllg. seriously. today was meant to be a day of tranquility, where the osce, the special monitoring commission, as well as up to 50, 60 experts from the netherlands and from australia would have gone out to the crash site and done the crucial work that we have talked about before. >> and again, it bears repeating, because for our viewers who may have not heard you last night, for the first time you have personnel with you from the netherlands, from australia, who actually have equipment that they can use to collect the victims, to collect the remains, and to begin the process of returning them for further information to the netherlands. you actually have those people with you now for the first time. >> that's correct, anderson. and these are people, don't forget, many of them australian who have flown halfway around the world to do this. and i know that the dutch issued a statement out of kiev today. and reading just between the lines, you can really sense their frustration in not being able to get out there.
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not only people, anderson, but even equipment, specialized equipment, i've seen on the list even people who are qualified divers that can go into those big ponds of water and search for debris. i walk around a lot here in this hotel where they're all staying. and you can really read it on their faces the frustration, because they are keen to get out there. and number one priority, collect those human remains, treat them with dignity, and have that moved as quickly as possible back to the netherlands and back to their families. >> and i no etoday you believed you would be able to get out to the site because there were high level talks going on yesterday in kiev as well as with pro-russian rebels in donetsk. promises had been made on all sides. and as you said, clearly, somebody did not honor those promises. are you just hopeful, crossing your fingers that tomorrow is going to be different? >> i think we can say we're more than hopeful. you know, that the message has been honed very, very hard to both sides. and i think what everyone is
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looking for, anderson, is kind of a reset to a few days ago where we had, remember, so many days of pretty much unfettered access to the site in terms of the amount of times spent there, in terms of the geography covered. and i mentioned the other day as well that there is that one big site that still has not been scoured that the so-called chicken farm where there is a lot of debris and possibly even human remains. that still is waiting to be examined and processed. so a heck of a lot of work to do in a very short amount of time. every day that goes by is another day lost in terms of possible loss of human remains and of really crucial evidence. >> and i know that's something that weighs heavily on you as you have been out to that site probably more than anybody else. you've seen it with your own eyes. michael bociurkiw, i appreciate you being with us. thank you. >> my pleasure. up next, the first american fatality in the ebola outbreak. he boarded a plane in liberia,
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also with us a nurse who works for doctors without borders. she has been treating patients on the front lanes of the outbreak, recently returned from guinea. the fact that this man who died was able to get on a plane, how big a concern it is right now that this outbreak could potentially spread throughout the region? >> i think it's a real concern. and it's been a concern for some time. we've talked about this idea that when you talk about this virus, it's found its way into areas where you have airports, even international airports. and that could be a real concern. >> and people now who were on this plane with this person are being told to monitor your temperature for 21 days to see if you start to get a fever. you actually would have to go out into local communities in guinea, trying to monitor people. how difficult was that, to try to get people to come in to be tested? >> we get an alert. we have a team set up to go in and investigate whether the case is a suspect case and whether the person needs to come in to
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get tested. that was the most challenging for me. we go into communities where we're not necessarily welcome because they understand now that the survival rate is not very high. >> as a nurse, what is it like to see this firsthand, to treat people? not only -- i imagine at least if it was me, there would be a certain amount of fear just about getting infected myself as a health care worker. it's often health care workers who get infected. what was it like for you? >> well, it's true. at the beginning, when before we know there is an outbreak, the health care workers are the people that get infected first. i mean, the family members and the health care workers. and this is when we get the alerts. if there is a few health care workers getting sick in the same facility, it's not normal and we investigate. as nurse working on the grounds, working with patients affected by the ebola virus, i was not particularly afraid actually.
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we have a set -- we use -- we work with barrier nursing. we use a personal protective equipment which you have seen on photos and videos, i'm sure, the yellow gowns, sometimes yellow, sometimes white. >> you cover up every inch of yourself. >> every inch of the body has to be covered, yes, it's essential. >> you're incredibly brave. brave people never say they are. i'm a chicken, so i can tell you this. but you're incredibly brave to do this. >> i think that when we're on the ground and we actually see all the measures that we have in place, very strict infection control measures, very careful waste management, the high risk and the low risk areas are very clearly defined. >> san jacinis a sanjay, you sa firsthand. what does it entail and how effective is it? >> one of the things that happen is people start to lose a lot of fluids. but it disarms your immune system. it switches the immune system
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off to the system can't fight the virus. it's sneaky that way. and also sort of inhibits your ability to clot. your body's ability to clot. and therefore people start to bleed. but all of that can cause someone to lose fluids. and those fluids can be replaced. and that's what is called supportive treatment. and that can be helpful. but there is no antiviral. there are few experimental vaccines that are not widely available yet. but there is really not much else that can be done for those patients. >> and sanjay, again, this person flew. is it possible for someone to fly internationally and end up in the united states? with ebola here? >> you know, when i left, it was interesting. they took my temperature at the airport. they asked me to fill out a questionnaire, which i did. and that was really about it. it is possible? yeah. if i had been exposed for whatever reason and it was 21 days later before i got sick, there was nothing that would have prevented me from getting on that plane. i think it's going to happen at
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some point. i think just observing the whole process, it's almost impossible to prevent from happening. but i think the idea that it can be then stemmed so it doesn't turn into all these mini secondary outbreaks is very possible. committee with prevent that from happening. >> dr. sanjay gupta, i appreciate you being on, and monya sayah. >> thank you for having us. >> that's it for us. thank you for watching. our coverage continues next. ♪ and when it's done, believe that i ♪ ♪ will yell it from that mountain high ♪ ♪ i was born free it's the chevy summer drive. see your local chevy dealer. you fifteen percent or more on huh, fiftcar insurance.uld save everybody knows that. well, did you know words really can hurt you?
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