good morning. welcome to "new day." it's wednesday, july 30th, now 6:00 in the east. kate is on assignment and we have alisyn camerota joining us. you came back. >> i did, against all odds. >> you are brave. >> i heard there was a lot of duress. you're still here and we need you. a lot of breaking news. we'll start in the middle east. more than 75 sites in gaza targeted by israel overnight, including mosques. now the israelis say these were used to conceal weapons and access tunnels into israel. >> also, chris, just breaking, a u.n. school in northern gaza based in a refugee camp has been hit by a rocket. it is unclear at this moment by whom, so let's get right out to wolf blitzer. he's live in jerusalem with the breaking details. what do we know, wolf? >> we know it was a brutal night once again in gaza. at least 19 people were killed in that strike on u.n. school.

nearly 130. they say israeli shelling is to blame. all this game after the u.n. said more weapons was found in one of its schools in gaza. this is the third time this has happened in the current conflict, but overnight shelling was not at that same facility. let's if to john voss watching what's going on if gaza city with all the latest developments. another brutal overnight in gaza, john. >> reporter: yeah, wolf. the explosions, the air strikes, the artillery just did not let up. it's continued well into the day here. in fact, just moments ago there was an air strike in that direction of the refugee camp, the same place where the u.n. school is located where at least 19 people have been killed. gaza officials have told us here that so far in just the past few hours 54 palestinians have been killed. almost 300 palestinians have died since this campaign began 23 days ago.

gaza once again under siege. five shells hit yet another u.n. school this morning, this time inside the jabalya refugee camp. the attack happened at a time of prayer, according to the u.n. israel defense forces say overnight it targeted 75 terror sites, including five mosques. the idf says it's continuing efforts to degrade the tunnel networks in gaza. tuesday the idf released this video of the israeli paratroopers uncovering another tunnel access point and then destroying it. efforts to secure a crease fire falling through once again, hamas rejecting a proposal for a 24-hour truce demanding an end to israel's blockade of the gaza strip. the hamas-run al aqsa television aired this video on monday purportedly showing an operation by hamas militants emerging from a tunnel and then attacking

israeli soldiers. according to al aqsa, ten israeli soldiers were killed, while the idf reports five israeli soldiers were killed, along with one of the attackers. cnn cannot independently confirm the video's authenticity. attacks from israel appear to be ramping up. 13 people were killed, including children, when air strikes hit a refugee camp on tuesday. and gaza's only power station up in flames, cutting off electricity for hospitals, sewage systems and many of gaza's water pumps. and, wolf, palestinian officials here say it could be in fact a year before that power plant here in gaza is operational once again. they can't even get close to it to put the fire out to try to repair it. gaza without that power plant last night was plunged into darkness. they do pie electricity from the israelis but there's ten transmissions from israel into gaza and palestinians say five,

maybe seven of the transmission lines have been damaged by israeli firepower and by hamas rockets so right now there's barely a trickle of electricity coming into gaza. wolf? >> once the fighting stops, there will be hundreds of millions of dollars and probably billions to fix gaza and make it livable down the road, john voss in gaza. we'll get back to you. what does israel have to say about all the overnight strikes? here's mark regev, the chief spokesman for prime minister benjamin netanyahu. on that power plant you deny israel was responsible for blowing up the power plant and denying electricity to a million palestinians. >> i know for a fact we were not targeting the plant and we also asked directly the forces in the area, our forces in the area, both the air force and ground force if it was maybe errant fire and everything we said says it wasn't our fire. you have to remember that some 10% of all hostile rocket fire into gaza, those rockets shot by

hamas, 10% fall short, land in gaza and cause damage. we saw that with the school that was specifically a hamas rocket. that could have been what happened for the power plant, but we don't know for sure. >> is there a full scale investigation that the idf is investigating? >> every time something like that we investigate to see what happens. >> had a about the latest incident, the jabalya refugee camp, all these people killed there. was israel responsible for that? >> we're looking into that. we don't target refugee camps or target civilians. let's be clear about this. we only target terrorists, hamas command and control, their arsenals as rockets that they shoot us and so forth. we don't know exactly what happened at this u.n. school. can i say the following. we do know there was a fire fight, that in the immediate vicinity of the school there was combat between our forces and the terrorists, and this is another example of a u.n. facility being turned into a combat zone by hamas and the other terrorists. you know, yesterday, since we

spoke last time there was a third example, the u.n. -- i saw this on reuters. the u.n. school for a third time being shown to be used as a place where hamas stored its munitions and those rockets being shot at israel, a u.n. school. if it happens once, you can say it's an anration, twice you can debate it, the third documented facility of a u.n. facility being turned into a military facility by hamas. it says something is terribly wrong and it exposes hamas' deliberate strategy to exploit u.n. facilities for its war missions. >> how close are you to a cease-fire right now, if at all? >> rockets have been falling, the fighting continues, and it appears that the diplomacy is still in play, can i say the following. >> what does that mean, that the diplomacy is still in play? >> telephones are being used, conversation are happening. the diplomats are working behind the scenes, but as we can see from this morning's pictures the conflict continues, and israel will continue to act to defend our people against those incoming rockets and against

those terrorists trying to come across the frontier in those tunnels. >> we had heard last night that an israeli security cabinet meeting was postponed, in part we were told because there was some diplomacy going on behind the scenes. they wanted to convene, prime minister wanted to convene prime minister once they had a specific proposal. what can you tell us about that? >> i won't go into what might or might not be discussed in israeli security cabinets. that information is confidential. i will say the following. our aim is to protect our people, that can be done diplomatly, militarily or through a combination of both. the goal remains the same. we will act to protect our people. the israeli civilian population should not have to live in this constant fear of rockets coming in from gaza or terrorists coming across the frontier trying to kill our people. >> who is taking the lead right now in the effort to achieve a cease-fire because yesterday, as we reported, there was a statement from the palestinian leader all, all palestinian factions were on board for a 24-hour cease-fire that could be

expanded into a 72-hour cease-fire and the military wing of hamas rejected that. who is taking the lead, the secretary of state of the united states, the special u.n. envoy, who is doing that? >> you're right, what happened yesterday was astounding. the palestinian leadership in the west bank announced a cease-fire and hamas said, wait, they don't speak for us. that's true. israel is not fighting the palestinian authority on west bank. our conflict is with the terrorists who don't play by the rules, who are brutal in the way they shoot us as and at the same time use palestinian civilians as human shields in a very, i would argue, brutal exploitive manner, deliberately putting palestinian lives in danger by putting their missiles in houses and mosques. >> who is taking the lead though? >> the only game in town is the egyptian initiative, and i think you've seen the united nations, united states, the arab league lining up behind egyptian

initiative. israel accepted did accept it, two weeks ago. >> but secretary kerry had modifications attached to it. >> the egyptian initiative is the basis for any move in diplomacy. what does the egyptian initiative say, calls for an immediate and unconditional end of all hostile fire and that for us is what should happen. no more rockets on tel aviv, no more rockets on any place in israel and the end of this infiltration through the tunnels. >> and israel will withdraw its forces from gaza. >> we say the following. we cannot allow the tunnel threat to continue, and as part of any cease-fire israel reserves the right to continue to act against those tunnels because those tunnels are a real threat to our civilian population. imagine, wolf, if you lived in the southern part of israel and just worrying the whole time of a terrorist popping up from under the ground with automatic weapons, with explosives, with rocket-propelled grenades and not at your door and terrorists are barging into your house, we have to deal with those tunnels pause they are an immediate

threat to our people. >> mark regev is the spokesman for the prime minister benjamin netanyahu of israel, thanks very much for joining us. we're told, by the way, by israeli intelligence officials they have discovered 31 of those tunnels and have destroyed 15. they don't know how many more they are but they are going from gaza into israel, but they are looking for more of these tunnels. back to you guys in new york. >> wolf, thank you. it just is not getting any better there. wolf is asking all the right questions and the answers are unsatisfying or elusive on both sides. >> until the main points of each side are addressed, occupation on the side of hamas and israel seeing itself as being safe from these types of attacks, you're not going to get any movement. this has been going on for a long time. the oslo accord now is 20 years old. they were supposed to have a deal in place. >> let hope that john kerry can get some movement today. >> would be nice, that's for sure. >> a lot of news happening. let's check in with michaela for what's going on. >> something big happening in africa, and it's getting more concerning by the day.

a doctor leading charge to combat an outbreak of ebola has died from the very virus he was fighting. dr. khan risked his own life to treat patients with ebola. he was hospitalized and in quarantine when he died and two american health workers who tested positive for the virus, they are still fighting for their lives in liberia. breaking overnight cnn has learned that sergeant bowe bergdahl could have his first meeting with the lead army investigator looking into his capture by taliban. some colleagues accuse bergdahl of deserting. bergdahl is now back on regular duty at a base in texas. major problems have been found in a review of decades of forensic testimony by the fbi. the "washington post" reports mistakes were found in nearly every case examined, about 160 of them. botched testimony could have led to hundreds of false convictions

before dna testing became common. the fbi stopped the review last year but resumed this month at the order of the justice department. you can be sure we'll be hearing more about that. the house is expected to approve a bipartisan bill overhauling department of veterans affairs health services today. if passed the $17 billion bill will go to the senate later this week, this as an internal audit obtained by cnn reveals that half the askedlers at many v.a. hospitals say they were instructed to falsify data to hideback logs in providing medical services to veterans. meantime, a senate panel unanimously confirmed former procter & gamble executive robert mcdonald to head the beleaguered v.a. we've got to show you this video. an aging 92-year-old water main break sent up to 10 million gallons of water on the nearby ucla campus and nearby sunset boulevard. at one point there was a guyser

that shot up 30 feet into the air sending baseball-sized chunks of asphalt chunking, so much water that the steps of poly pavilion turned into a waterfall. inside the bruins basketball court ruined just a year and a half after a $136 million renovation. folks in parking lots had to be rescued by swift water rescue teams. at least one person was rescued after being swept under a car. let me set the backdrop of this. california, the entire state, is under a drought. they are facing drought conditions statewide, and to have 10 million gallons of wter, i mean, it's just cruel. >> big issue is how long it took also. is that because how much water was coming out? >> the dwp, department of water and power in los angeles, is getting lambasted for their response. they are coming back and saying, you know, they were trying to find the source of the leak, but that campus is a pretty big campus, and to see that, and the fact that they spent $136

million renovating the pavilion. >> covered my share of water main breaks but that one is a doozy. >> a big one. >> take a break on "new day." president obama says moscow will feel the pain, europe on board joining the u.s. to hit russia with the toughest economic sanctions. we're going to have a former u.s. ambassador here. he'll tell us if they make a difference. >> plus, investigators are still trying to reach the flight 17 crash site in ukraine, but they haven't been able to because of the heavy fighting, so we will talk to a member of the international monitoring team about the status. thank ythank you for defendiyour sacrifice. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote

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this is a choice that russia and president putin in particular has made. there continues to be a better choice, a choice of de-escalation, the choice of joining the world in a diplomatic solution to this situation. >> and until that better choice is made, president obama says he's raising the stakes against russia. the u.s. and the european union are going to deal out the toughest economic sanctions against russia since the cold war. they will hinder russia's access

to capital markets for its state-owned pages and weapons makers as well as hindering their ability to tap their oil reserve. also more people in president vladimir putin's inner circle are being sanctioned as well. investigators will try to reach the crash site of malaysia 1 which is still shut off due to heavy fighting from militants in the area. joining us now is former ambassador thomas pickering. very good to have you here, mr. ambassador. help us understand. these latest sanctions targeting the russian economy, are they of the nature and degree to make a real difference? >> chris, i wish i could be optimistic about that. they are part of the gradual escalation in sanctions and springing europeans along with us is accepteding a signal, but there are few signs that vladimir putin himself will be affect. he's talking about more self-reliance. he's using the whole ukraine

effort to boost russia nationalism which has put him up in the 80% popularity ratings. i don't think he's going to sacrifice that soon. there are a few reports of disturbance and unrest inside russia, and in the long term real restrictions on their energy supply which are not going to happen soon. those sanctions are merely cutting off technology flows for developing new energy sources are probably going to hurt him. look at this in terms of months and maybe years, and the europeans themselves will have to figure out whether they will continue to be heavily dependant on russia for gas which is not for these sanctions as well as for liquid petroleum. >> is there a better quicker fix? >> i don't think so. i wish i could say so. there's some real effort to continue to separate russia from the rest of the international community, the isolation. that may help. it may help to build up some russian backlash, but there are plenty of russians who are super nationalists who really want to

go it alone and putin has put it this way, whistling past the graveyard a little bit by saying, gee, this will help us become self-relimit and independench the tragedy, of course, from russia's point of view is he didn't do that many years ago when he had the opportunity and a lot of money to do it. >> so if the key to the change is the domestic mindset, you know, whether the people of russia want to change, the question is how to access that. you recently said you believe russians are somewhat embarrassed by this situation and that they may not be in control of the rebels who may have shot down plane. why do you think they are embarrassed and why do you think they are not in control? >> the loss of a civilian airliner with 298 souls on board and a situation in which putin pretends to be in control except for this particular fact is beginning to show in effect that he has unloosed a whirlwind. in europe it's having a big effect in turning europeans away

in russia. seizing ukraine and staying in eastern ukraine -- seizing crimea, excuse me, chris and staying in ukraine once again a notion, that up, can't be trusted and, two, is set upon trying to grab more territory, particularly if russians live there. these are dangers and they raise certainly the possibility of more conflict and while russia talks about a political solution, their foreign minister yesterday talked about it. they don't seem to do anything. putin says i'm pulling back from the border. he said that weeks ago. nothing happened. so putin's trustworthiness and where he is, is the pig onslaught of russian propaganda to jazz up the russian society in the direction of what they are doing are all things that in my view that show deep russian putin-like willingness to become isolated, to try to become self-relimit and see where he's going, but the truth is nobody in russia i think really knows

where putin is headed. it just seems to be more of the worse and continued confrontation to see what he can grab, and until that particular point of view is changed by some significant hit on the part of russia, whether it's domestic russian population or cut being russia off from outside sources, all of which the president is doing, we won't see change. >> so it's going to take time period, that's the answer that i'm hearing. >> months ago it was going to take time. it is still, chris, going to take time. >> so why do you think that vladimir putin or another russian official didn't come out and at least criticize the indignity of the dead and the treatment of the crash site and insist on access. they asked for an investigation into who did it, but why didn't they come out and just decry the situation as everybody else did around the world. that wouldn't be implicating

themselves. >> no, and they could have said, look, this was an accident, a mistake. they were shooting down ukrainian airplanes. didn't have the technology or the information. they made the mistake. it was the separatist fault, we'll take action. all those are possible. putin hasn't understood yet i think the notion that once you make a mistake, the more you try to cover it it up, the worse it gets. we've seen that in this country over a period of time. i hope we've learn our lesson but that certainly is a principle and a fact of life in international comity these days he ought to worry about, and i think the shootdown of the airliner, of course, is another point of major pressure on putin. >> if it's true that ukraine is shooting short range missiles into civilian areas, gotten reports, human rights watch saying civilians are being taken out, does that undercut the u.s. position? >> doesn't help us, the fact that the ukraine wants militarily to recoup the rest of

its territory is, of course, self-evident and obvious, but the fact that it's beginning to use military measures, which if not targeting civilians are careless enough to cause significant civilian casualties, that in itself is as we've seen in gaza certainly a serious problem. >> and perhaps the lack of control that you talk about with russia over the rebels is seen in the fact that the site still isn't being allowed access to investigators. ambassador pickering, thanks very much for the perspective. much needed. look forward to calling on you again. >> nice being with you. >> coming up on "new day," we'll talk to one of those investigators who is trying to get to the flight 17 wreckage, plus stunning video you just have to see. take a look at this. two women running for their lives on an indiana railroad bridge, an 80-foot drop, the train is coming. no escape. wait until you see what happened and why it happened.

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this comes a day after the u.n. said weapons were found at one of its schools in gaza for the third time in just the last few weeks. new questions this morning about military aircraft security, a disturbing find on the u.s. cargo plane, a body of an apparent stowaway was found in the wheel well when the plane landed in germany. the body of a male was found in a post-flight inspection. that plane made numerous stops in africa during its mission. the last surviving crewmen from the plane to drop the atomic butch has died. he flew aboard the "enola gay" when it dropped the atomic bomb. his son said he had no regrets about the mission. the single bomb killed 80,000 and launched the nuclear age.

he was 93 years old. terrifying video, two women narrowly escaping death after diving under an oncoming train in indiana. at first they tried to outrun the train and realizing they couldn't get down, they lay down and let the train pass right over them. the only other option is an 80-foot drop below. the engineer saw them and tried to apply the brakes and sounded the horn repeatedly and what's amazing here is the only injury one of the women suffered was a stubbed toe but they are now facing criminal trespassing charges. >> it looks like she was trying to help her friend up. i don't know how intentional that was. an 82-foot drop. >> do you take the jump or try to let the train go over you. >> i don't walk on those tracks. >> what would you do? >> i do what they did. >> you would let a train run you over. >> i wouldn't be happy about it. i think i would lay down.

>> really. >> i think i would lay down and crime. >> i would make my body two-dimensional. >> she would fit. >> i've got a little extra density, i got hair. >> that's the problem. >> i think i grab you in the death hug and jump on the side. you yell at me on the way down. >> i'd cushion your fall. >> we both know you'd be using me a trampoline as we go down near bottom but i think i would jump. >> i will never put myself in that position. >> don't ever walk on those tracks. >> it was totally wrong. that's why they are trying them for criminal trespass. tons of disasters happen that way all the time. i still think -- >> you'd jump. >> i would. >> i thought it was a myth if you laid down. i would have jumped but now i melee down. >> let's not test it out. >> definitely not. it's like july, almost august,

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eyes by end of the weekend. 70% chance we could see this develop into berta arbertha. whether or not this actually affects us, still have to wait a little bit longer. guys? >> keep an eye on that. thanks so much, indra. >> most people say they would jump rather than lay down. >> but they are wrong. >> everybody is staying don't be on train tracks, really dangerous. >> on your twitter feed, you know what i'm saying. >> like minds. >> no. >> but everybody disagrees. you all disagree with me on my twitter feed but this time they are saying they would lay down. >> thank you for that. keep polling that. next up on "new day," heavy fighting, of course, around the site of mh-17 wreckage. it's making it impossible for investigators to secure that site so we'll talk with an international monitor about their plan. >> the longer that situation goes the worse it gets. another one just like it, our border. thousands of kids languishing there. a deal for immigration reform on

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america, you cast your votes. now, go to xfinity on demand and select the people's hotlist to see this summer's top 100 shows and movies. i voted! international investigators prevented once again from reaching mh-17 crash site in eastern ukraine today. heavy fighting near the debris field has forced the team to stay away for a fourth day. it's been nearly two weeks since that plane has been shot down but nobody has been able to begin the forensic investigation. let's bring in the spokesman for the organization of security and cooperation in europe, and they are part of the team of international observers who are trying to reach the crash site. michael, great to see you. how close can you get to the

crash site. good morning, alisyn. at the moment we're pretty much cut off from the site. our team of special monitoring mission, osce observers and dutch and australian experts. there is a front line, as you know, between where i am right now in donetsk city and the site. yesterday we were able to go two-third of the way there, and it was just unsafe to do so. quickly today is we did a routine patrol to the city limits of donetsk beyond there, and we were able to kind of test or measure where front line is there, and -- and it isn't actually very far from where i'm standing so very fluid security situation here at the moment. >> and you say that it's unsafe for you to get any closer. what happens. what do you encounter when you try? >> well, i can tell you, it's

quite scary because we go, as you probably know by now with a rebel escort to as far as they tell us it's safe to go, and they didn't have to tell us it was unsafe because the explosions further up the road in the direction of that site were very, very loud to the point where we almost had to crouch down for safety, so we -- we will not put our monitors at risk. we also had with us, alisyn, a representative from the dutch and the australian delegation, so they saw for themselves too, and, you know, it is -- it is so unfortunate because we haven't been there since friday. there still are human remains out there exposed to the elements, it's just a horrific thing. >> there are still human remains out there. it's incredible to think after all of this time. what happens to the evidence and the investigation if you cannot access the crash site. >> well, you know, we like to

remain optimistic, and i can tell you there's such a wealth concentration of expertise among these experts, and they are empowered to collect the human remains. they have the equipment and treat it with dignity and transfer it to the netherlands, but, you know, i don't want to speculate. we're going to remain hopeful. we're going to pull all the levers we can with our stakeholde stakeholders. i know there's a lot of activity going on today in kiev, especially with our chief ambassador so we're not giving up hope? michael, you talk about your stakeholders. who in charge? who is giving you orders? >> well, you know, because there's a shifting line, security line let's call it. there's the rebel groups here, the ukrainian government, of course, in kiev, being spoken with at a very, very high level

and, of course, there's stakeholders that meet regularly in kiev with our osce representative is the russian federation representative and the ukrainian government senior representative. they are meeting frequently, and i know those discussions are held over the course of many, many hours, but yet that kind of breakthrough that we require, that safe passage and corridor isn't there at the moment, trying to remain as hopeful as we can for us to get there. >> yes, of course, we understand. nice to see your optimism, but what is your plan? how long will you stay there? >> well, we're based here. we've been here for three months. we're not going anywhere. we plan to stay here and with our osce special monitoring mission. as for the dutch and the australians, well, they have been here for a few days now. only a small group of them have been able to go out to the site and that was late last week. i know as we speak, a few floors

below me, they are continuing with the mapping, the planning, you know. everything they need to do to really accelerate things out there, but, you know, you do sense, of course, a sense of frustration because a lot of them did travel halfway around the world to be here and to, you know, recover the remains of their national and their belongings, but at the moment we're staying put in donetsk because of security. >> of course. michael, thanks so much for being on with us and good luck tomorrow. we know you were turned away today. we hope tomorrow you can make some progress. thank you. well, next up on "new day," more violence in the middle east as a u.n. school is say tagged, so we will talk to the deputy national security adviser for president obama. plus can, lawmakers reach a deal? that's the big question this morning as congress remains deadlocked on immigration so we will speak with congressmen steve king.

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welcome back to "new day." right now your represent in washington are getting set to take a five-week border even though there's thousands of children in limbo on the border. let's see the dedication we have from our men and women.

republican congressman from iowa steve king. congressman, always a pleasure and i must report you did go to the border and you did check out the situation. what it you learn? >> well, we traveled all the way from the mouth of the rio grand river there at the gulf of mexico on up to loredo and stopped in at multiple locations in brownsville and mccall-up and on up to loredo, as close as we could get to the border which road all the way and visited with civilians, regular people there on the ground that have lived there for years as well as with all the agents in uniform and federal employees and others. i learned this. yes, there is a mass of humanity coming across the border, we all knew that. as we walked through the facilities, the detention centers and the distribution centers that they have, there were some things that shocked me deeply that i did not expect to hear. and i'm going to put this together as a consensus rather than a specific location but it's this. of the unaccompanied alien children, 57,000 of them so far

this fiscal year, as of june 15th, well over 60,000, probably over 70,000 by now, they were running about 80% boys, 20% girls. that number has shifted, a higher percentage of girls now, but a very high percentage of girls are given birth control pills before they send them on their journey up the train of death on the beast to get to the river and then to pay a coyote to give them a ride across because the families expect the girl to be raped on the way, and the sexual abuse reported to us by the workers is in the area of one-third to 70%, especially of the girls and equal number of boys, however there are a lot more boys than girls. just sickens me to think -- >> it's disgusting given how true it is but it's a sign of the desperation. i got lost in your statement there a little bit. did you visited kids? >> i did visit the kids. we went to a center in brownsville that had not received any visits from members of congress.

it is an hhs center, a private contractor, not-for-profit organization. they were built and open for business january 23rd of this year. it houses 881 kids, ages 10 to 17. 44 girls and 144 boys, and we learned a lot there. they spent enough time with them. >> how are the conditions? >> the conditions were good. >> i have to say that everybody that is treating and serving people down there is doing everything they can with the resources that they have and the resources that they can garner, and that includes the border patrol. yes, they have holding cells and the holding cells have been there for some time. that hasn't changed, but they move people out into a warehouse that was retro fitted for people, and i saw different separation panels there with kids that were sorted by age, by sex. they had hhs workers playing soccer in air conditioned buildings. >> great. >> that's going on, that's the

american compassion, chris. >> and it's very important because that's who we are, congressman, right, even in bad situations we always treat people with dignity and respect. one of the things the country wants to be known for, and as terrible as it is what you're reporting to us about these families who may be giving their kids birth control bills because of the horror they expect to befall the girls, a little change of heart for you. you keep getting reminded of what you said about cantaloupe-sized calves and that these people were drug runners, these kids were drug runners. do you feel differently now? >> not since i've measured the cantaloupes and measured the calves, that's an accurate statement, chris. that part doesn't change. it was the truth when i said it and it's even more objectivelily true today. >> you believe most of these families are sending their kids up here to be drug runners? >> i never said that. that was the liberal press that put that out. i was talking exclusively about drug smugglers. >> i know. >> i characterized drug smugglers, and on the left they decided we're going to turn that

into something else. >> for every one there's a valedictorian there's 75 that weigh 75 -- >> dick durbin has not uttered the word value diction since i made that statement. it's true. >> there's no way that you can prove that statement that you said. my point is i'm giving you a chance to modify the humanity of the person. >> show me the first value diction and i need to find you the first 100 drug smugglers. they are all over the internet, a 12-year-old kid with 80 pounds of marijuana on his back, youngest group of a group of four and he had the load. >> you saw those kids down there. you saw the young boys and girls. you know they are not here to smuggle drugs. you know these kids were sent by their families to find a better way of life. don't play politics. >> i didn't say they were here to smuggle drugs. i didn't say that. >> what does that mean? >> we have drug smugglers coming across the border every single night. we have thousands of pounds of

marijuana coming across the border. it is on the backs of young people that fit the very demographic of some of those that are in these facilities now, and we need to understand that there are billions of dollars of drugs coming into the united states. >> no question. >> and many of the people that are carrying them across will fitted into the d.r.e.a.m. err category just like those in those holding facilities that i saw. that's what i'm talking about. >> but you know now having seen their faces and seen those kids that you know they shouldn't be used as pawns in a political game and that gets us to the fix. i'm starting a #here at "new day" today called fixorstay. you can't let your brothers and sisters in congress leave for vacation without fixing that problem down there when you're all so outraged, can you? >> i think we should fix it. i think we should first articulate this clearly. this is a man-caused disaster, and the man that caused this is barack obama with his policies and his morton memos and the advertisement that has been such

a huge magnet that caused these families to give their daughters birth control pills and send them down a rape path all the way through mexico and it's a death path on the death train. >> it's horrible. you've identified the problem so fix it. >> and so the president is the one who can fix it, but here's what congress -- >> you can't -- what can you do? >> congress can do is pass a resolution that identifies the problem. i actually don't think we're going to get that to the floor about we should do that and the second thing that we can do is send money to the states to call up their national guard to secure the border. there was a universal statement that came all across that border, and 90% of the civilians i talked to, everyone said you have to send them back or they will keep coming. the only way is to send them back. i say treat them humanely. make sure we don't send them into the united states. we do have to send them back so let's fix the 2008 bill. that is partly a reason and partly an excuse that they are being distributed across the country, that 2008 fix and a fix to the asylum language will

help, and then we have to shut off any funds from developing any future doca amnesty, and do those two things and that does the most good that we can do and the strongest message we can send, but i can tell you harry reid won't take it up and the president won't sign it. >> both sides have to be pressured to make a deal. every time -- you've been pushing the impeachment thing for president obama. at least he wants to do something. shouldn't members of congress be ken sured if you go on congress. >> i am not pushing impeachment. what i'm doing is trying to deter the president from violating the constitution in a way we've never seen in the history of this country. that's what that part is. >> you have suggested impeachment. >> i'm said if the president continues to violate the constitution, if he should with the stroke of his pen if he's threatening to do, he said he's going to grant amnesty in a lawless way, we've all taken an oath to unihold the constitution and i wouldn't want a measure to

say no matter what the president bad we -- >> you pushed impeachment. article ii is pretty clear this. isn't treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors. >> congress defines high crimes and misdemeanors. congress defines that. >> good. you should define it for yourselves because you should not go on vacation before fixing this. >> i don't want to go down that path. i want the president to operate in a constitutional manner. i'm trying to do that. we should both do that and the people on the other side of the aisle should say to the president i've taken an oath to uphold the constitution, don't put me in that position either, mr. president. you have no constitutional authority to make up law and defy the congress and he's doing that and taunting congress. we've never had that happen. >> one of the reasons he's doing it, not to defend the president's position, but to look at it in context is what we're seeing right now. you guys have to get things done. you're about to go on vacation for a month after you just toured the border and saw all

these horrors. you have to get something done >> you get up early so i don't need to give you a wake-up call every time i go to work back in vacation, chris, but can you imagine the president of the united states saying to congress i think that you should have passed this law and so since you haven't then i'm going to violate the constitution and do what i want to do. that's what he is saying when he waves his cell phone and his pen. >> take it away from him by getting it done yourselves. you are your own solution. >> simply pass what the president commands or watch him violate the constitution? >> make your own deal. >> and then not doing anything about it. >> make your own deal. you said you want to at least pass a resolution but what the problem is and the potential fix is, you said you may not even get that done, can't even get a resolution on the problem. >> i am working to get the deal made, and we're very close on that, and some of those negotiations. >> good. >> i'm not going to talk about it on the air but i will tell you this, that i think we're close to getting the doca language in there that would prohibit, if it ever became law,

the president from violating the law and giving -- creating groups of people and giving them a pass on immigration law. we're close to getting that, and we're -- where i believe we're able to get some funding that can go to the national guard, though i think it should go directly to the states because the president will not secure the border any more likely that he's going to build the keystone pipeline. >> the president has identified the need to secure the border several times, how to get it done will largely come down to what you guys can agree on. that's all. fix or stay. >> the president wouldn't even visit the border, and they -- they don't have any of these -- >> fair criticism, but he has been sensitive to the situation, but he didn't visit the way you did. you have to get kudos for in a. >> well, i wanted to see it hands on and look in people's eyes that are down there and they are suffering, chris, and when you see, that when you see little babies and they are in there and they are nursing in a cell with scattered group of people that haven't had a chance to take a shower in a while, they will get one in a few hours, border patrol is doing a good job, cbp is doing a good

job, when you see that happen, you have to understand this human calamity and tragedy started because there's a huge magnet created by president's policies and these families are sending their daughters up through 2,000 miles of central america, down a channel of people who are between 30 and 70% will be raped along the way and that is a human tragedy. >> that is a human tragedy. >> so we have to send them back, fix the 2008 bill and fix the amnesty language that they are exploiting right now and get the resources also down there to help out and give them a hand when they need it. >> so figure out a way to fix this before you go on vacation and remember that these kids coming up are not the enemy. they deserve respect and dignity. good to hear you say that. congressman, we'll be very anxious to see what you get done before you go on vacation. >> we might get it done today. i've got a work day. >> sounds like a vacation, congressman. better not come back with a tan. thank you very much for joining us on "new day."

>> that's one of the stories we're following this morning, but there is a lot of news, so let's get to it. good morning, everyone. aim cam rotteda in for kate balduan this morning. following breaking news, of course, in the middle east. a deadly incident at a u.n. school in gaza. at least 19 people were killed and more than 120 hurt. the palestinians aimed israeli shelling for this. led initial israeli review say soldiers returned fire near the school after being targeted by militants. meanwhile israel hit more than 75 sites overnight, including mosques, and they say that those mosques hide weapons and tunnels into israel, so let's get back out to wolf blitzer. he's live for us in jerusalem with all of the breaking details. what's happening at this hour, wolf? >> quite an intense night, alisyn in gaza. all the strikes you just mentioned, some of them israel going after hamas military cyber

facilities at the same time. all of this comes a day after the u.n. said weapons were found at a different u.n. school in gaza. that would be the third time hamas weapons were found in a united nations school in gaza. let's go to john voss, or man on scene in gaza city. what's the latest there right now, john, what are you seeing? >> well, wolf, just a few moments ago you can probably see that black smoke in the distance, the jabalya refugee camp where the u.n. school that you've been talking about that was hit overnight. there was an air strike just a few moments ago where that black smoke is coming from, but i have to say it's not just incoming fire. within the last hour or so we saw two rockets not far from that location being launched from gaza towards israel as well. today is shaping up to be a very deadly day here in gaza according to health ministry officials. 54 publicians have been killed just today, including the 19 men, women and children at that u.n.-run school there seeking shelter because their homes had

either been destroyed byled israeli military operation or were warned to leave because there was a pending military operation though it just simply scared and wanted to get out. now the u.n. is fairly certain that it was in fact the israelis that carried out the strike. they say there had been shelling in that area for an hour. five artillery rounds hit the school, around 4:30 in the morning as people were getting up to attend morning prayers. there's been an investigation promised by the israeli defense forces, initial results already in now. what they are saying is that their soldiers in that area around the jabalya refugee camp came under mortar fire from militants and then they returned fire, so that's where we stand right now. the u.n. saying definitely the israelis and the idf still looking into it. they say there's still a full investigation pending. they are not saying how long that will take. >> john, military arm of hamas still holding firm. they say there won't be any cease-fire until israel, they say, ends the blockade, the siege -- what they call the siege of gaza, still the same

position, right? >> yeah. this is incredible. last night there was a very rare statement from the founder and head of hamas' military wing. it was an audio recording only. we know the israelis have been after that for some time, carried out a number of strikes on him but he's still alive according to this recorded audio transmission which everyone here in gaza heard last night essentially saying that there will be no cease-fire with israel until blockade as the palestinians and hamas calls it is lifted by the israelis and chillingly he added that hamas fighters are craving the death. wolf? >> john voss, thanks very much. ben rhodes joins us, the president's deputy national security adviser. is the u.s. leadership trying to get a cease-fire, is that over with, at least for now?

>> no, wolf. we continue our discussions with israelis and palestinians and countries in the region. obviously we're in a very difficult time with a lot of violence back and forth. we're very concerned about reports, of course, that you have these weapons being hid in schools. just as we're also very concerned about the civilian loss of life among the palestinians. all of that points to us to the need for a cease-fire, a short-term cease-fire to be put in place so that we can, again, address the broader issues that we see at stake in gaza. >> i don't know if you saw it, i assume you did. one of the israeli television channels published and put on the air what they said it was a transkriptd of a rather testy phone conversation that president obama had the other night with prime minister netanyahu and i saw the transcript of that. it looked pretty blunt. was that accurate? >> seen a lot of craze i things in the last six years, that was one of the craziest. that quote, unquote transcript bore no resemblance of the call

that the two leaders had. they had a very candid exchange about the situation in gaza. they talked strategy about how to pursue a cease-fire. they talked about israel's need to defend itself, about the need to take care to avoid civilian casualties, but that was a totally made up transcript that you saw in the israeli media. we were able to correct the record and so were the israelis, by the way, who made it clear that that was not at all a transcript of the carl. >> mark regev, the spokesman denied that it was a transcript. it's getting a lot of momentum and publicity and buzz here in israel. what can be done right now? i know there's an immediate crisis, awful what's going on in gaza, but there seems to be a little tension developing between two very close allies, namely the united states and israel. what needs to be done to fix that? >> well, wolf, again, i think on the basics, on the fundamentals, there's not any distance. the united states has provided enormous support for israel's security. you have seen there in israel

the effects, for instance, the iron dome system has had which helped develop and fund to save israeli lives with the rockets. we've supported israel's right to defend itself and have focus on diplomacy to bring about the cease-fire. we believe that's a way to stop the rocket fire in israel and we believe israel can still deal with the tunnels as it deals with a cease-fire and we believe a discussion about a long-term fix to some of the challenges we see in gaza, including hamas' stockpile of weapons, that job in the interest of israel's security so we'll continue to send that message to israel, privately, publicly and, again, i think the fundamentals of the relationship between the united states and israel allows for discussion and sometimes debate about tactics. >> the israelis say, and we heard this a little while ago on "new day" from mark regev, spokesman for prime minister benjamin netanyahu, if you go back to the original egyptian-sponsored cease-fire israel will accept it right away without any conditions.

what they didn't like, clearly some of the add-ones that were put forward in subsequent conversations. is that original egyptian proposal still on the table. >> yes, wolf. the egyptians have been in the lead for the cease-fire negotiations. their proposal has been the basis for everything that has followed. there have been subsequent discussions with egypt and israel and the palestinian authority, with some other countries in the region, like turk and qatar, but it's on the basis of that egyptian proposal, and what we've said, too, is if we get these short-term cease-fire in place to provide for a humanitarian pause on the ground, that parties can convene in cairo for those discussions, again, with the egyptians in the lead in helping to bring people together in pursuit of a more lasting cease-fire solution, so, again, that is the proposal we continue to work with and the basis for a lot of our discussions with israel. >> i spoke to the special u.n. envoy who is here in the middle east. he's trying to get 24-hour

cease-fire expanded and another 24 hours to see where they can go from there. ben, hold on for a moment. chris cuomo back in new york has some questions for you as well. >> wolf, thanks very much. i want to go from one continuing crisis to another, what's happening with russia versus the u.s. in the eastern ukraine. now you have your western partners together. let me ask you this with the new sanctions. if vladimir putin is at 80% popularity domestically in russia, do these sanctions really matter? how do you make into his popularity at home? >> well, chris, that's a very good question, and he has stirred up nationalist sentiment at home which accounts for some of those numbers that you referenced. however, the impact of the sanctions we've already put in place has driven down their growth rates to near zero and has led to almost $200 billion in capital flight. that's before the very dramatic action taken by the united states in coordination with europe which has not gone as far as they have gone. that will not affect the russian economy and that over time has an impact on public opinion as

well so we believe the sanctions are the best way to send a strong message to russia that their policy in ukraine has costs. >> that's the long-term game. the short-term exigency, the immediate problem there is mh-17 and dealing with the crash site. we just heard from one of the international monitors. they believe there are still bodies there, the dignity of the victims. have you done anything to approach russia about helping to allow the investigators into that crash site. >> well, what we have, chris, and what we've done is we've had had the dutch in the lead for the negotiation to get access to that crash site and for the investigation and given the overwhelming loss that the dutch suffered as well as the australians who suffered a great loss in mh-17. >> they are not getting in. >> and we said the united nations is behind those efforts. they need to make sure there's access to international police forces that can secure the site. again, we'll be very clear that hash has a responsibility and part of the reason why we moved

to the sanctions yesterday is because they have not cooperated with that investigation, and the separatists that they back are still blocking access to the site. >> now one of the reasons that there's also blocked access is the shelling. there are reports even from human rights watch, not just from on the ground from the ukraine side that there are short missiles being used by ukraine to knock out different areas as they try to reclaim some control there. if that's true, if they are shelling civilians, if their on going fighting is stopping access to the scene, do you need to approach the ukraine side as well. >> absolutely, chris. >> we've been talking to the ukrainian government about this. president poroshenko put forward an exclusion zone of many kilometers around the site that they were going to abide by in allowing for access to the site. they did stick to that. it was the separatists who were repeatedly violating that agreement and not allowing osce monitors and others to get to the site. however, we're going to hold the ukrainians to their commitments

on that exclues zone. they need to provide a space where international investigators can do their work. >> they were supposed to give 45 kilometers. there's certainly fighting going inside it. if they are using short range missiles and hitting civilian targets, is that something that the u.s. will stand for? >> well, we never support them hitting civilian targets. they have a right, of course, to conduct security operations inside of ukraine to secure their own territory against the violent separatists. what we would like, however, is for there to be space around the crash site so international investigators can get to the scene. >> also, ben, you know there's metaphor value of what happened to mh-17 as well as the world remembers the dignity of the dead there was not observed. you know, it's a window into the situation for people and the more attention it gets, the more consensus you'll have around doing the right thing in ukraine and eastern ukraine. thank you for joining us this morning. appreciate your answers from the administration. >> thanks, chris. >> a lot of news this morning. let's get to mick for that. >> good morning, everyone.

12 minutes past the hour. skeptical lawmakers in congress want a say in a final nuclear agreement with iran. on tuesday members of both parties at two congressional hearings insisted on a vote for any final deal with tehran. the lead american negotiators declined to give a firm date for a deal. it would only say the obama administration would consult with congress along the way. islamist militias have taken over a special forces base in benghazi, libya. government troops say they abandoned the base after heavy shelling. no injuries were reported after a government fighter jet crashed into a residential area during that fighting. days of fighting between government forces and militants in libya's second largest city has left at least 38 people dead. u.s. airways investigating an incident at sky harbor airport in phoenix. the smoke condition after the plane landed. fire and safety crews were dispatched to the runway where

all 64 passengers were taken off the plane safely. we're told no injuries occurred. espn's stephen a. smith was suspended for one week after saying women could be to blame for domestic abuse and provoke wrong actions. he has since apologized and calls the comments, quote, the most egregious error of his career. rice, you'll recall, was suspended for allegedly knocking his then fiancee, now wife, unconscious and dragging her off an elevator after a fight. >> at least we're having the conversation now. >> that's the point. as i said yesterday, i know steven a., i know him not to be a neanderthal and knuckle dragging dude. he's not that guy. >> yes. >> that was an unscripted moment on live television that can often get you into trouble. >> right. >> as we can all attest. >> and he's had a terrible week as a result. >> he is not the problem, but he

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the ebola crisis is getting worse in west africa. the a major airline has stopped flights in liberia and sierra leone amid growing fears that the virus could spread, and a doctor leading charge to combat the outbreak has died of the virus himself. meanwhile, two american health workers who tested positive for ebola are clinging to life in liberia. this all follows the death of american patrick sawyer whose case has raised international alarms because he was able to board a plane while infected, so let's get to chief medical

correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, freight to see you. explain to us how mr. sawyer came in contact with ebola and if you can put this in context for us how big of a threat is it now? >> the thing about mo sawyer is we're not exactly sure how he contracted the virus. there have been some reports he may have been taken care of a relative who in fact was infected with ebola. that was happening in liberia and then he got on a series of planes and made his way into niger yeah, and it was actually in the airport himself that he started having real difficulty and then died so where exactly he contracted the virus, was he sick at all when he got on the planes or not, we don't know the answer to that, but we know the infection seems to have occurred very quickly in his case, and, you know, within hours it seems he went from being relatively healthy, able to board a plane to actually dying in that airport. >> there are some reports from witnesses that he was markedly ill on the plane during the flight so how big of a concern is that for all the other

passengers? >> well, that's a real concern, and what's happening now in these countries and these airlines are trying to find those passengers on those flights which can be hard to do because there's a series of flights and they want to find them and inform them and then what they will do is simply monitor their temperature for 21 days, that's sort of the outside period where people could still develop problems. if they don't develop a fever in 22 days should be in the clear. first they have to find patients and monitor them. this is one of the big challenges, should he have been caught before he got on the plane, or was he truly healthy, feeling fine, no fever, nothing that would have prevented him from boarding that plane and leading to this. we just don't note answers here. >> sanjay, can you explain to us the difference between a contagious disease and infectious disease? >> this is an important distinction, alyson. when you think about things very contagious, like the flue flu, they spread through the air and lives on surfaces and someone else who touches that surface

could also get an infection, something that's highly infectious like ebola means a small amount of virus, small amount of body fluid containing the virus could cause an infess. doesn't spread through the air, per se but when you're in the epla camps like i was you see the guys put on the spacesuit, so to speak, because they want to cover every square inch of their body and even a small amount on your hands could cause an infection. all have breaks in our hand, whether we realize it or not and that's what highly infectious means. >> is there any treatment for people who are infected with ebola? >> there is no specific treatment, and that's -- that's a big problem, not only from a medical standpoint but also from a psychological standpoint. i think as a result there's been an increased mistrust of doctors that come into these camps. they don't have a specific antiviral or vaccine. what they do is provide fluids. people become profoundly dehydrated and that's what ultimately can lead to death so

simply replacing the fluids while the infection clears itself, that's the goal of these medical professionals, supportive therapy and it does make a difference. in previous outbreaks the mortality rate has been as high as 90% an here it's hovering around 60%, still awful but better than before. >> liberia has announced tougher screening for passengers coming and going in order to try to contain this disease, so how are we supposed to keep it from spreading? >> i'll tell you the thing about screenings and mr. sawyer may make the case here is they don't always work. should he have been caught. might have had a little fever, something to give people a clue that there was something going on here. you know, they are just not always going to work. what's interesting about screenings is that they do provide a little bit of a psychological deterrence as well so you might company somebody with a fever. it forces people to think have i been sick or in a situation where i could potentially become

infected. let me consider this a little bi. they are not going to be perfect. the real key ultimately is to stop this at source and that's happening in these villages where people are continuing to transmit ebola to each other an people coming out of those villages into bigger towns and so forth, so if you can really educate people in the villages, how to stop transmitting this, this will ultimately lead to the end of the outbreak. >> sanjay gupta, thanks for seeing us this morning. >> next hour we'll talk to the widow of that american man we were just discussing, patrick sawyer, who died from eblast. next up on "new day," a u.n. school comes under attack in gaza killing 19 people, but who was behind it. the latest in this ongoing deadly conflict. what's next in the battle over the border? republicans stripped $3 billion, the vast majority from president obama's request for money to deal with the children stuck at the border. is it enough to solve the problem? we'll go "inside politics" on that. unlimited cash back.

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there is a lot going on this morning, so let's get right to "inside politics" on "new day" with mr. john king. john? >> chris and ailsin', good morning to you. let's start with this as we begin side politic. the question of why is the white house and democrats so happy to talk about the possibility of impeaching a democratic president? with me to share their reporting and insights lisa lehr of bloomberg news and r--

>> this whole talk about impeachment is coming from the president's own staff an coming from democrats on capitol hill. why? because they are trying to rally their people to give money and to sure up this year's election. we have no plans to impeach the president and have no future plans. listen, it's all a scam started by democrats at the white house. >> now, most of that is actually factually correct. democrats are raising a lot of money to this, but to the point is it a scam started at the white house, well, the speaker wishes a number of republicans hadn't put this word out there. the white house press secretary john earnest earring and happy to provide a list. >> well, if that's the case, then i suspect that there may be members of the republican conference that didn't receive the memo, steve king from iowa, congressman ted yoho from florida, congressman lou

barletta from pennsylvania, the dished congressman steve stockman from texas and his fellow texan has raised this prospect. we've even seen another from michigan call this a dream come true. >> and he didn't even mention sarah palin there who has said this, so speaker might be right, they have no plans to do this, but this is a mess of the republicans' making, how is a democratic white house so happy to talk about this. >> the white house is loving this, like their birthday and christmas all rolled into one perfect package. they are happy to talk about, it because, one, it raises the the money. steve israel said they raised $1 million yesterday. the democratic base loves this and is playing into this narrative that they have been pushing for quite some time, it's not president obama's fault that nothing is getting done in washington, it's the republican congress' fault and this allows them to say, look, it's their last week, something we're going to hear possibly even from the president said in kansas city, their last week in town and they

are focusing on impeachment rather than had a host other pressing issues the country faces. >> part of the problem for republicans is they are threatening to sue the president, saying he overstepped his executive powers, particularly health care and other issues as well. the republicans want to keep it about the president's power but some of them have said impeach him. >> when the president moves on immigration on an executive level which sounds like he'll do this summer, giving work permits town documented immigrants, expanding the deferred action program for people brought to the country here illegally at a young age, that's going to really riley up folks on right to say once again the president is overstepping his constitutional bounds and we need to do something about it, and you may hear the impeachment word come out. this is a way for the white house in some ways to preempt that attack knowing that they are going to move forward on immigration sometime this summer. >> at the moment it's part of the fund-raising and down the road a bit, we shall see as we go forward. you might say this is the do something congress or at least

attempt to do something congress just this week. trying to work onborder bill but they are far apart. house republicans will give you $700 million and senate democrats want to pear the president's request. they he wanted 1 billion and they will give him 1 billion. what's the significant differences as they try, both house republicans and senate democrats feel they need to try to do something before going on a five-week vacation but can they bridge the gap? >> i'm not sure that a house bill can get out of the house and a senate bill can get out of the senate so neither chamber will have a bill to negotiate in a conference committee, not just the difference on money, but also whether or not to change any policy to speed up the deportations, that's something that the house wants to do, something that senate democrats don't want to do. they are very far apart. what you may see happen is there's money in the senate bill for israel, aid for missile defense and that may be stripped out and maybe they move that separately. funding for wildfires in the

northwest. that may happen but immigration, looks like they will leave that on table for the foreseeable future. >> is the white house okay in that both parties have acknowledged this is an urgent crisis. why can't they come together? what they are looking for if the president will change liberals, send the kids back, will the president roll up his sleeves on that one? >> the white house hasn't been totally clear on where they are on that issue. they see this politically as another example to show that this is a congress, that we have this pressing problem. polling out yesterday that was fascinating. 70% of people think they should start a process for these minors to remain in the country during that so everyone is not saying -- a majority of people are not saying deport these kids immediately and the white house knows that so they do see from a political standpoint this is another example of an issue where they can say the president is trying to do something, congress can't get it done but it is going to be a big problem

for them from a policy standpoint. >> all sides, white house and both parties in congress. this is what they get elected to do. an urgent crisis, maybe get into a room and talk to each, pipe dream. one of the race, a tough one, one of the races that the democrats think they can pick up, allison grimes think she's close and the key is to turn out women voters. look at this new ad. >> this is arlene woods from woods, ken kept. here's her question for senator mcconnell. >> senator, why did you vote two times against the violence against women's act and against enforcing equal pay for women? >> i can never get him to answer this one either. >> both in substance and style, i like this ad.

alison grimes is in a tough race. turning out women is key for democrats, see that in everything the president does and in their ads, a little bit of offbeat production there. why is this so important for the democrats? >> well, they have to maintain this gender gap that they have had in recent elections. single women are a huge percentage of the voting base. they voted overwhelmingly for democrats in the past, and for democrats mid-term elections is about inducing turnout so this is one key group that they have to juice the turnout for. >> on the substance senator mcconnell says he was for the original violence against women act. did oppose a democratic reauthorization that expanded the powers too much. how do they counter this one? >> you know, that's what he's been saying. he said that this is essentially a manufactured issue by the grimes campaign, and the mcdonald people feel pretty good about the gender gap right now. they think they have narrowed that gap, and they see the polls going in their direction, that is grimes chance for verdict have i to turn out that

demographic and turn out liberals, even in a conservative state and that's why you see people like elizabeth warren go to kentucky and drive up that vote because nationally and in kentucky turnout favors republicans. democrats need to close that gap if they have any chance of keeping a majority. >> we'll watch this one play out. democrats try to make gun control a women's issues saying one argument is to combat domestic violence so we'll watch as this plays out. as we do close today, seth meyers wants to talk about somebody sending a letter to the president, listen, try to get the joke >> the fbi has captured a man accused of sending over 500 letters filled with white powder to president obama. the fbi says he was a disillusioned middle-aged man who felt beaten down and powerless at work, and the guy who sent the letters was kind of a mess, too. >> and so it goes for this mid-term election year. nice, easy funny at the

president's expense. >> i thought this was going to be a charlie sheen punch line. >> i was going rob ford. >> did you know we started a hashtag fixorstay, and it's trending on twitter so now it's resonating. >> god forbid we put them all in a room until they figure something out. >> watch chris' interview with congressman steve king because it did break a little news. talked about what he plans to do to fix the immigration situation. >> and he said he's moving off the can't lopez comment. he said they have calves like john king now. >> mm-hmm. >> i'm going to just on that one. >> let it lie. >> i've seen his calves. >> have you is. >> i'll tell you about in the break. >> i'll look forward to that. >> coming up on "new day," is a diplomatic solution still within reach in the middle east? we'll ask former special envoy

for israeli-palestinian negotiations right after the break. >> and prosecutors could wrap their case today against the detroit man who gunned down a woman on his porch. some explosive moments in the courtroom. we'll show you all that. faas

. welcome back, the middle east conflict is getting uglier and more tragic by day, you know that. new numbers. overnight 19 people killed in an exchange of fire at a u.n. school in gaza. hamas militants caught for a third time storing weapons at a sensitive site. israel again accused of heavy-handed measure. palestinian authority caught in the middle with hopes of statehood hanging in the balance. how do you possibly carve a diplomatic solution out of everything i just said? let's ask martin indyk who resigned a month ago as the u.s. special envoy for u.s.-palestinian negotiations. he was also former u.s. ambassador to israel. he's now at the brookings institution. thanks very much for joining us. let's talk about the

resignation. when you left you said there's so much water under the bridge, soept skepticism and so much distrust and lack of confidence, the difficulties we faced were far more because of the 20 years of distrust that built up. are you saying this is not do ab able? >> it certainly doesn't look that way at moment given what you're reporting this morning. what we're watching is war-making, not peace-making, but when the dust settles and the blood of innocence is cleared away, palestinians and israelis have only one solution to their conflict which is to solve it through peace negotiations. the idea of a two-state solution which the palestinians have an independent palestinian state living alongside a secure true state of israel is an idea that's been around for more than two decades. there is no other solution. it's only a question of when

both sides will recognize that that's a better solution than continuing the conflict. >> what have we learned from the oslo accords some 20 years ago, the deal that was temporary, supposed to be made permanent and then events that happened in the interim wound up turning both parties away from the belief in the accord? was that as close as you can get? what's the lesson? that's the question. >> i think the lesson is that the oslo accords, which were designed as an interim process. >> right. >> to build confidence that would then enable the parties to grapple with the really tough issues of a final resolution of the conflict doesn't work, that instead of building confidence, the years that have passed, that process was supposed to be a five-year process, not 20 years since oslo, that that process actually destroys confidence,

convinces both sides that the other side doesn't want peace, and that's now more the case than today when both sides are killing each other. and that is not -- as i said, it's not peace-making. that's war-making, and so what we tried to do, what secretary kerry and in support of our president obama and my efforts as a negotiator, we tried to resolve all of the core issues, and while we made some progress on that, it's very difficult to do because of the distrust between the leaders and the people. there's one hope, but it's only a sliver of hope at moment. don't want to exage rate it, but there's a hope that coming out of that conflict israelis will come to see that abu mazen, leader of the palestinian authority, is a partner for peace. he stands in contrast to hamas

who promotes nonviolence and peaceful resolution of violence, and maybe they will come to see that it's better to do a deal with him than to avoid the really tough decisions. >> nobody wants to see any more violence. everybody is traumatized by the pictures that we see of what's going on in israel and certainly in gaza, but is there a point at which you need to let the two parties fight it out and come to their own resolution through conflict, or is there just no meaningful point to what's going on right now? >> i would never endorse the idea that the parties should be left to fight it out, and neither would secretary kerry or the president. that's why they have been so active in the last couple of weeks trying to get a cease-fire. >> why not? >> it's -- simply because conflict on the increases the passion and the hatred and makes

peace-making more difficult. the only hope out of this situation, as i said, that both sides will come to recognize that it's much better to try to resolve their conflict through negotiations than to try to do it through war. >> but why would they come to that situation? what would make them arriving at that point when you have hamas in control, gaining support, saying that israel cannot exist, and now you have bebe netanyahu, the prime minister on the israeli side, who says he does not really see a two-state solution, in as much as he most recently said i don't see a situation where we relinquish territory control west of the river jordan. can't have a two-state solution if you do that, so where is the point where they will come to this recognition that you talk about where they need to negotiate? >> well, i think the two things that you've cited are very much a part of the problem, that on the palestinian side hamas is

dedicated to destroying israel rather than making peace with it, but it -- it doesn't represent all palestinians. as i say, there's an alternative voice there in the leader of the palestinian authority and the head of the plo in abu mazen who is committed to peace. on the israeli side what you've got is the prime minister expressing real security concerns, that if they withdraw from the west bank they will get another gaza there, but we know that there are answers to that issue that reconcile palestinian needs for sovereignty and independence and israeli needs for security. we've had the pentagon with some of the smartest people in the military working on these issues with the israelis, with the palestinians we've developed ideas that can deal with that, but they do have to reconcile the need for a palestinian independence and freedom with israeli security needs. one side's needs cannot trump

another's in this situation. otherwise there, won't be a resolution to the conflict. >> help give some context to something that matters very much to our audience. when you look at the pictures of all the civilians who are being killed in gaza and the schools getting hit, the hospital getting hit, do you, with your experience of the israelis and their intentions and the integrity of those intentions, do you believe the claims of israel that they are not trying to take out civilians? they are going at targets where they believe there are weapons or there's access to tunnels and that hamas are putting those in civilian places, putting those in vulnerable areas so it's not israel's fault when something like that happens. do you believe it? >> well, it's not a question of belief. you can see it in the images, rockets being fired from built-up areas of rockets being found and now for a third time in schools. hamas is operating from civilian areas and is calculating that the damage done by israeli

retaliation to innocent civilians, now at something like over 1,600 have been killed, that that is a strategic weapon weapon in their arsenal, they've come under international criticism, from the united states for the killing of innocent civilians. >> you believe that criticism is unwarranted? >> i believe that israel faces a very difficult dilemma. it's got rockets coming in on its civilian populations, over 2,000 have been fired by hamas at its civilian population, and how does it stop it, but other than by hitting in civilian areas, in gaza. that's why we need a cease-fire as soon as possible >> mr. ambassador, i want to interrupt you only to say you're getting exactly what you asked for. we're hearing reports israel has called for a four-hour humanitarian cease-fire. i don't know if it's unilateral or calling out to the other side

but it sounds like it's unilateral. what do you think that means? why are they doing it? what could it lead to? >> well, i think that that four-hour cease-fire is important in terms of giving people a chance to get humanitarian supplies, medical supplies and so on, but it's not going to solve the problem. what we need is a much longer cease-fire that allows for negotiations of an agreement that will produce a very different situation for gaza and for israel. so as much as i would welcome any cease-fire, i think that is not going to be sufficient. if it can lead to a long cease-fire, then of course it will be very welcome. >> in your experience, the cease-fire is supposed to go from 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. local time there eastern time, so based off our clocks here, not there, so that four-hour window, could that be a step towards something else or do you think it's just a gesture and

probably just ends when it ends? >> well, it could be, but something needs to come in very quickly in terms of some diplomatic initiative that can extend that cease-fire. we've tried four-hour cease-fires, 12-hour cease-fires, 72-hour cease-fires, seven-day cease-fires. they've all been tried in the last two weeks and none of them have held, and i fear that this one won't either unless it's backed up by more serious cease-fire initiative. secretary of state tried that last week. he's still involved in ongoing efforts there. fortunately this week it seems that the egyptians are kicking in. they were reluctant to do so last week. the palestinian authority and the plo are also moving in to try to effect this and hopefully with the combination of all of these parties now trying to get a cease-fire that we will see it in the next few days, because

the alternative to that is just more of this horrendous bloodshed that achieves no real purpose other than the killing of innocents and the terrorizing of innocents. >> you have too many senior citizens on both sides thinking that they will not see peace in their lifetime, and that is a sad commentary indeed. mr. ambassador, hopefully they wind up being wrong and peace prevails. thank you for joining us. >> i hope so, too. thank you. let's take a break right now. when we come back on "new day," emotions spilling over at the trial of the man who shot a woman to death on his front porch. question, was it murder? was he defending himself, or was it something more than that? there's some new information. we'll give you the latest from the trial when we come back.

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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning, welcome to "new day." it's wednesday, july 30th, 8:00 in the east. kate is on assignment. alison camerota is sitting next to me. >> great to be here. >> in the middle east we have the newest development, a four-hour cease-fire getting under way as we speak, scheduled for 8:00 a.m. eastern time to 12:00, okay? the israelis authorized the pause for humanitarian purposes. the israelis say the mosques were used to hide weapons and tunnels into israel. also a deadly incident at a u.n.

school in gaza leaving 19 people dead, almost 130 hurt. we have wolf blitzer on the ground live in jerusalem, let's get some more information on this cease-fire. wolf, what do we understand about this? >> well it's very limited. it's only four hours as you say, it's supposed to be begin right now, the israelis are promising they won't undertake any aggressive action beyond what they're doing in terms of where israeli troops are, as far as those tunnels are concerned over the course of the next four hours. they say they will respond if there are attacks from hamas during the next four hours between now and noon eastern. let me be specific in what they issued in their statement. the idf announces has authorized a four-hour what they call humanitarian cease-fire, what they're calling a temporary window between 3:00 p.m. local time which is 8:00 a.m. on the east coast, 7:00 p.m. which is noon on wednesday. the statement says "the humanitarian window will not apply to areas in which idf soldiers are currently

operating." i assume that means going after those tunnels, and that they will respond to any attempt to harm israeli citizens or soldiers during that time. bottom line is we're going to see in the next few minutes, hours, three, four hours whether or not hamas continues launching rockets and missiles into israel. if they do, based on previous lulls, if you will, humanitarian cease-fires, if they do that, israel probably will take two or three or four, but after that, if they continue, i think that four-hour cease-fire humanitarian window, whatever you want to call it, is going to be over with. the israelis will respond with a pounding, retaliatory strike. in part they do this, the israelis, for a few times. they know they're under a lot of international pressure because of the pictures, the images, the death toll, the casualties that we're all seeing in gaza. several south american, latin american countries have now recalled their ambassadors from israel, so the pressure is mounting. the israelis want to show that they've got a humanitarian instinct there, so they're going

to see what happens over the next four hours. best case scenario, chris, if the next four hours are quiet, maybe that could be expanded another four hours and then 24 hours, then 72 hours, that's what the united nations special envoy in jerusalem told me, what he'd like to see done, what the secretary of state john kerry would like to see done, start off with a few hours, go to a day or two and maybe they could prolong it, stop the deaths in gaza as well as here in israel. >> it's an interesting question because not receiving or taking rocketfire would be one part of israel's components for peace, but the tunnels would still be there, they'd still have their worries about the stockpiles of weapons. let me ask you about the humanitarian part of this. who's going to be bringing in aid? is israel offering aid in this humanitarian phase or is this just to allow people on the ground to do whatever they can to deal with the shelling?

>> to a certain degree it's both. mostly i think if it's quiet over the next four hours it gives the people and the palestinians in gaza an opportunity to resupply their homes, do something, check out their family members, walk a little bit, and get a little semblance of normality, if you will. it's not a normal situation by any means. the israelis point out that, despite what, it's been three weeks now of this fighting, they still are allowing supplies to go in through that arras checkpoint that goes from israel into gaza. they poind out ironically the egyptians basically cut off their access points to the southern part of gaza from sinai into gaza but supplies, humanitarian supplies, convoys, trucks from israel into gaza. there are restrictions, not as robust as they were earlier but they're still going in to a certain degree. don't get me wrong, it's an awful situation by anyone's account, but there are some supplies that still continue to go in to gaza from israel. >> well, at least it's

something, and in this situation, you have to take progress where you find it. hopefully it does lead to something else. let us know if the situation on the ground changes or if you hear of any movement from the hamas side to meet this offer from israel, wolf. let's get over to alisyn. >> for annalis, joining us is peter beinart, contributing editor to atlantic media and senior columnist at heretz, also with us jonathan shanzer, vice president of research for the foundation of defense of democracies. peter, let me start with you. do you think there's chance for expansion of the four-hour cease-fire that's been called? >> doesn't seem that likely. first of all you don't have a trusted mediate dwror on either side. egypt, the country israel would rather it deal with, has a hostile relationship with the muslim brotherhood, the can you seein of hamas. hamas would rather deal with qatar or turkey, which israel doesn't trust and also you have very different aims. hamas is going to be hard

pressed not to come out of this with some relief from israel's blockade, while israel is talking about the demilitarization of the gaza strip. >> jonathan, what do you think happens at the end of these four hours? >> i think it's quite likely that hamas is going to on it fire. they've made it pretty clear from their leadership abroad in doha, also from their leadership on the ground in the gaza strip that they see no end in sight so long as the israeli blockade exists. the israelis are not interested in lifting that blockade as long as hamas remains militarized and able to fire rockets into israel. >> exactly, the palestinians want the blockade lifted. the israelis want the tunnels destroyed. these seem mutually beneficial goals. what is the sticking point? why can't we make progress on a treaty? >> it's not clear who would oversee the demilitarization. israel doesn't want to go back to directly occupying gaza. the palestinian authority

doesn't have a presence in gaza so it's not clear who, in fact, is going to be ruling gaza to make sure, house to house to make sure there are not stockpiles of weapons. that's not a small issue and the blockade on the one hand, israel has legitimate security concerns. on the other hand, there are these enormous pal spin yap grievances, not just hamas but almost all palestinians who believe the blockade has suffered the palestinian economy so these are both very difficult issues to resolve. >> jonathan, do you think there is anything that could get us past lagerheads? >> i think the role of egypt is going to be crucial here, if the egyptians can make this happen. they're talking right now mahmoud abbas from the palestinian authority and some of the other actors from within gaza. i still think they're crucial, at the end of the day it's up to the two countries that border gaza to help broker this, and that comes down to egypt and israel. >> i want to talk about the u.s.'s role. top israeli official, the housing minister, went on a radio radio show yesterday and basically told president obama

to butt out. he said "leave us alone, go focus on syria." is that a widespread sentiment in israel, that the u.s. is meddling somehow? >> look, the housing minister of the israeli government like many members of the israeli government want permanent control over the palestinians in perpetuity in the west bank as well as israel's continuing occupation over gaza. i think that's bad for israel's long-term interests and it's in the united states' national security interest not to have a continuing war that not only has a terrible humanitarian cost but also enflames hostilities to the united states all over the region. >> jonathan, do you think secretary kerry has been able to get any traction, is he helpful or getting pushback from the israelis during the process? >> secretary kerry has done an admiral job trying to get a cease-fire. i think he's stumbled along the way. there's been a lot of talk in israel about how he forwarded a cease-fire plan that was en, toed and in fact perhaps even written by qatar and turkey,

which are, of course, the top patrons of hamas. this was not appreciated by the israelis. the fact that you had a peace process that collapsed under secretary kerry's watch i think also eroded confidence among israelis but the bottom line there are 86.5% of israelis who roundly support this operation in gaza because they feel they are really fighting for israel's security and they want to get the job done based on military objectives, not political objectives. >> right, so the israelis feel they are fighting to are their security and peter you were saying that the palestinians feel that non-violence, when they've tried it, hasn't worked for them. they haven't been rewarded for their non-violence. >> the tragedy for me is if you want to defeat, weaken hamas, you have to show the palestinian leaders like mahmoud abbas in the west bank who recognized israel's right to exist, doing very good security cooperation with israel are getting something for this non-violence and this mutual recognition. under this israeli government, unfortunately, they've gotten the largest settlement within

israeli history, massive subsidies for settlement reconstruction and israeli is not putting any map on the table in terms of negotiations, has not publicly accepted the very notion of a palestinian state near the 1967 lines. that just makes hamas' job so much easier because it discredits those palestinians who tried to take the alternative about theer path. >> jonathan, what do you think about the notion the palestinians tried non-violence and not been rewarded. i'm sure israelis foo el they'd like to stop having missiles fired at them >> look, when it comes to palestinian politics you have to understand that the choices that the palestinians have right now are really not choices at all. on the one hand you've got mahmoud abbas, yes, he's been non-violent and committed to ensure another intefadeh or war doesn't happen. he's roundly criticized as being corrupt, having an ossified rule or government that doesn't respond to the people and on the other hand hamas a genocidal jihadi organization. this is not giving the

palestinians a chance to make real choices. there's been a stagnation on the political level and that really has not a lot to do with israel. that has a lot to do with just the lack of dynamics within the palestinian political structure. >> how on earth could you say it doesn't have to do with israel? the palestinians agreed to a national ununity government so they could have elections, so abbas could stop to govern even though he loss. only the election can produce legitimate leadership in the west bank and government and this israeli government has done everything in its power to destroy that unity government even though it accepted the quartet conditions and therefore was endorsed by both the u.s. and the european union. >> jonathan very quickly response? >> sure the critique from the israeli was you had a hezbollah model, hamas remained militarized and no way you could endorse a unity government under the conditions. it's just that simple. >> though nothing is simple, it sounds simple at first blush and when you get into it, you see all of these nuances.

peter beinart, jonathan schzer, thanks for the conversation. michaela? ukraine now saying it is impossible for international experts to do their work at the flight 17 debris site because they say terrorists set up firing positions and laid land mines there. those experts say intense fighting between russia-backed spraptists and ukraine is keeping them away. meanwhile the u.s. and the european union have now leveled new sanctions on russia, targeting oil companies, state-owned banks, weaponsmakers and people in president vladimir putin's inner circle. breaking this morning, iran has released one of the four people it detained last week. the husband of an iranian-american photojournalist has been freed. his wife, however, remains in detention along with "the washington post" reporter jason razian and his wife. iranian officials have yet to explain why the journalists and their spouses were detained.

check this out, a 90-year-old water main rupturing in los angeles, sending about 10 million gallons of water rushing onto the ucla campus and surrounding area. drivers are being told to avoid sunset boulevard this morning as crews are busy repairing the line. at one point on tuesday, though, a geyser shot up 30 feet in the air, sending baseball-sized chunks of asphalt flying. there was so much water the steps of pauley pa trillion looks like a waterfall. the bruins basketball court ruined, just a year after a renovation folks in the parking lot had to be rescued. one person was rescued after being swept under a car. not often you see a swiftwater rescue team on a campus. really terrible to see that aging infrastructure failing in such a miserable way there. other video, terrifying two women narrowly escaping death

after diving under an oncoming train in indiana. at first they tried to outrun the train, realized they couldn't get off the tracks, they laid down, let the train cross over them. the only other option an 08-foot drop below. we still can't get over the fact that the only injury one of them suffered was a stubbed toe. you had a train roll over you and you have a stubbed two. the two are facing criminal trespassing charges because they were trespassing on the railway. >> how has your polling of jump or duck been going? >> jump is a prohibit himself favorite. >> interesting, on mine it's divided but a few that like your third option of hanging. >> you'd have to be very strong. >> i do not like the idea of hanging. then your fingers get run over and you fall to your death. >> i don't know. bad situation to find yourself in. >> indeed. >> weigh in, what do you think? what would you do? of course you would never want to put yourself in that

situation. >> right. >> it is dumb and illegal but if you were would you duck down, take the chance with the train or jump off? >> there's a hashtag, dumb and illegal. >> i have a t-shirt that says that. coming up on "new day," ebola is coming dangerously close to the u.s. airlines are shutting down routes because of it. can we really keep it off our shores? the widow of the american who died after getting ebola in liberia will join us with their story. plus he says it was self-defense, the prosecution calls it murder. will the accused gunman in the front porch shooting take the stand? we'll debate that, ahead.

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welcome back to "new day." there are new fears this morning about just how easily the deadly ebola virus could spread to the united states. patrick sawyer, an american, working for the liberian government, contracted ebola while caring for his sister in lie peeria. he then boarded a flight to nigeria, where he developed symptoms on the plane, showed those symptoms, and then he died a few days later there. even more troubling, sawyer had been planning on traveling back to america next month to visit his daughters. he could have easily brought ebola to the u.s., something his family is all too aware of. joining us from minneapolis, patrick's widow, decote sawyer. it is a delight to have you here and i'm so sorry for your loss

and so sorry we're speaking under this circumstance. how are you doing today? >> i'm holding up. i'm holding up and i'm praying and -- yeah, i'm holding up, thank you. >> you're holding up and i know you have a lot of support there in minneapolis. i know you have a community, a church community that's supporting you and i know you're going to need it. let me ask you about what your husband was doing in liberia, we know he was working to are the government. you live here, he was living there, what kind of work was he doing? >> he worked for the finance ministry in liberia. he worked with the echoas unit, and yes, that's what he did. >> and he was on his way to a conference in nigeria. >> correct. >> did you speak beforehand and did he seem aware of the concern about ebola? did he voice to you any concern he had specifically?

>> no, we communicated on friday, the friday before he died, and no, he didn't communicate his concerns about ebola with me at that time. so no. >> how much information are you getting on what happened and how he may have contracted the disease in we understand he was visiting his sister and that she had been infected? >> um-hum. yes, yes. he was visiting his sister. she was ill, and he helped care for her. >> um-hum. >> and so he contracted it that way. they didn't know it was ebola, because ebola displays other symptoms like malaria symptoms. >> um-hum. >> so they thought she may have

malaria, so he was helping. had he known, he would have definitely taken better precautions. >> right, that's a very good point, he would have taken more precautions, he likely wouldn't have traveled because there is the concern he may have infected people on that flight, that he took to nigeria. >> yes. yes. yes, yes, that's the huge concern, there's a huge concern. so yes. >> let me ask you, i know you have family there in liberia. have you had a chance to talk to them about what they're being told about ebola, how to protect themselves, steps to take or measures to take? >> well, they're all concerned about me keeping it together, so you know, when we talk it's what they talk about, and i try to gear the conversation towards that, you know, them taking care of themselves, and protecting themselves. i have my cousins and uncles that went to visit liberia

before and so, you know, people go there to visit frequently, and i am trying to encourage people not to go and visit right now, if you're not part of the medical team or assistance, don't go, stay home. people are dying. lives need to be saved and if you're not part of that team, please get out of the way. >> it's a really good message and important message to heed, and it's so like family. they're concerned about you, and you're concerned about them. that's a beautiful thing. i want to you talk about that a little bit, because now you decontee have three little girls without their father, mia, bella and ava. >> ava, yeah. >> how are they doing? >> they're doing okay. they're, you know, 5, 4 and 1. ava, she's 5. mia's 4 and bell a is 1.

ava is really the only one i had the discussion with. and bella, i mean, bella is 1, and mia, she's 4. she also has autism, and so she, you know, processes things a little bit differently, and is a little bit delayed, and so you know, she doesn't get it, and so ava and i had a discussion. i had to tell her that her daddy is in heaven now, and she said, well i thought he was in liberia." see, patrick's work kept him away a lot from us. he was gone for long periods of time, and the truth is that it put a strain on our marriage, and in every way, because i wanted him back home. >> yes. >> i wanted him here with me,

and the girls. he felt like liberia needed him more, and he felt like he needed to fight the good fight in liberia. he wanted like a better democracy for liberia. he would say "liberia doesn't have a middle class. we have very poor and very rich" because he lived in america for so many years and so he wanted like a better democracy for liberia, a middle class. he was big on social justice. >> it sounds like that will be his legacy, don't you think, decontee, his leg see will be his work on the ground. >> yes. >> you are proud of liberia as well. >> i am. >> so many people in your community have put together an organization, because you say you're very, very concerned. >> yes. >> about the awareness. tell me about the organization you started. >> i am very, very concerned about the awareness. i'm very concerned about getting the word out and the way patrick died and the way things ended

with us, because we were separated, to be honest, that's how much of a strain this cost. last time patrick was home was july of last year. >> right. >> was the last time he was home, and the time before that was october of the year before. so things between us, but you know, we're parents and we love each other and we love our children, so we wanted to do right for our children, and coparent and all of that >> we're glad that you have the support from your community and from your church and i'm glad to know that your family is concerned about you as well. you have support and that's the thing to really lean on right now, decontee with your three little girls. >> need them more than of. >> and you started a group called concerned liberia against ebola. we thank you for joining us on

"new day" and spending time with us. >> thank you. >> to recognize the life of your husband. decontee sawyer, thanks so much. >> we'd like folks to donate or gift pledge, not pledges but resources, supplies to samaritan purse, those are the two, that's the organization we've identified because i don't want nip bringing me money. i don't want anyone bringing me supplies to ship back to liberia. these organizations have reached out to us, to my team, and we're not registered, we're not, you know, an ngo or anything. we're a concerned group of liberians, concerned liberians against ebola. we have a facebook page. we're directing everyone's efforts to samaritan purse and global health ministries. >> wonderful. >> if you have any donations or any supplies, we're reaching out to hospitals to donate protective gears and medical supplies and things like that, contact any one of these two groups that we've identified, because my fear is that people are going to start splintered

groups and start raising money and that's going to get misused. >> fair enough, we'll make sure that information gets passed along, decontee sawyer thank you for the information and people are look be for ways to help and we'll direct them to the organizations. you got it. thanks so much for spending time with us, take care of your family. we're going to take a short break here on "new day." ahead russia paying the price for arming separatists in ukraine. hit with worldwide sanctions that could cost that country billions. what exactly does russia think of the sanction, though? we'll take you live to moscow for the very latest. also, he's accused of shooting and killing an unarmed teen on his front porch. should this accused gunman take the stand in his defense? our panel will weigh in.

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ukraine now saying it is impossible for their international experts to do their work at the flight 17 debris site. they say terrorists set up firing positions and laid mines there. intense fighting between russia-backed separatists in the ukraine is keeping those experts away. in west africa, a doctor who had been leading the charge to combat the outbreak of ebola died from the virus himself. he is the second doctor to succumb to ebola in the last few days. the house takes up bipartisan legislation to overhaul the veterans administration today. the bill comes up just one day after a senate panel unanimously confirmed robert macdonald as the new secretary of the va. and number five the president is in kansas city for a speech on the economy today. he'll enjoy some barbecue, greet some locals as part of his summer campaign to get out among the people. we always update the five things so visit newdaycnn.com for the latest. it is money time, folks. who is here, chief business

correspondent christine romans in our money center. >> good morning, i'm here with good news just in on the economy. the gdp, u.s. economy grew at 4% in the second quarter, shows the economy back on track after a 2.9% contraction in the first quarter, that many say was a bad weather fluke. 4% gdp, futures are higher, should be a good day for the stock market at least at the open. potential win for low wage workers. mcdonald's is a joint employer so it could be held responsible in a bar raj of worker lawsuits. until now mcdonald's had hidden behind franchise owners. twitter doesn't make any money but the stock is up 26% in premarket trade. twitter showed strong user growth especially in mobile. good news in an otherwise tough year the stock has fallen 40% thanks to slow growth so watch twitter. that one will fly today. >> i wonder what it was, that's a good joke there, christine. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> i wonder if it was the world cup and the horrible things

happening in israel, mh 17, got the world talking? >> probably, it always does. >> what do you think? tweet us, let us know coming up on "new day," the harshist sanctions against russia since the cold war and vladimir putin still more popular than ever. if 80% of his people back him, why should he care about what the west does to him? we'll debate it. the prosecution gets ready to wrap its case in the so-called front porch shooting trial. what evidence does the defense have that this was self-defense? we'll ask our legal team. let me get this straight... [ female voice ] yes?

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. welcome back. driven in part by mh17 being shot down the u.s. and europe are dropping the toughest economic sanctions on russia since the cold war. but vladimir putin has thumbed his nose at every round of sanctions so far. why? will this be any different? we put those questions to deputy national security adviser ben rhodes, why putin should care, so long as his popularity back home is, get this, hovering at 80%. >> he has stirred up nationalist sentiment at home which accounts for some of the numbers you referenced. however, the impact of the sanctions we've already put in place has driven down their growth rates to near zero and led to almost $100 billion in capital play before the dramatic action taken yesterday by the united states in coordination with europe with i had not gone as far as they went yesterday. that is going to impact the russian economy and over time

that has an impact on public opinion as well. we believe the sanctions are the best way to send a strong message to russia that their policy in the ukraine has caused. >> that's the long-term game. the short term exigency, the immediate problem there is mh17, and dealing with that crash site. we just heard from one of the international monitors, they believe there are still bodies there. the dignity of the victims. have you done anything to approach russia about helping to allow the investigators into that crash site? >> we're clear that russia has a responsibility and part of the reason why we moved to the sanctions yesterday is because they have not cooperated with that investigation and the separatists that they back are still blocking access to the site. >> now one of the reasons there's also blocked access is the shelling. there are reports even from human rights watch not just from on the ground from the ukraine side that there are short missiles being used by ukraine to knock out different areas as they try to reclaim some control

there. if that's true, if they're shelling civilians, if their ongoing fighting is stop access to the scene, do you need to approach the ukraine side as well? >> we obviously never support them hitting civilian targets. they have a right, of course, to conduct security operations inside of ukraine to secure their own territory against these violent separatists. what we would like however is for there to be space around the crash site so international investigators can get to the scene >> so those are the theories and ideas from the u.s. western side. how do they play in russia? we have nic robertson on the ground in moscow. nic, great to have you. what do you hear there? what do the sanctions mean? how popular is putin? >> we've heard nothing specifically from him since the sanctions came to a point yesterday. however, monday he did have a meeting with the government where he told them that they needed to accelerate alternatives to procure

components and raw materiel for weapons manufacture. that is one of the parts of the sanctions that is going to affect russia here. so it does seem to have some impact. the politicians we're hearing from so far. we haven't heard from putin today. the politicians we are hearing are playing this down, the minister from russia for the european union said this will probably hurt europe more than it will hurt us. we're hearing from the minister in charge of crimea now, the russian minister in charge of crimea saying the sanctions that have been passed so far haven't hurt crimea. they're trying to pass it off that it won't have impact. there is a reality to this, though, etb banks, one of the banks targeted by financial sanctions found its shares had fallen almost 2% on the stock market here, they dropped another 3% within a few hours, and there's a temporary glitch on the moscow stock market right now, so it's just stopped trading, the precise reason we

don't know, but this is the picture from here, chris. >> all right, nic, thank you very much. important to have you on the ground. appreciate you being on "new day." take a break here, when we come back, emotional moments in the front porch trial. the lawyers are fighting bitterly at every turn. the cops are accused of botching the investigation now, and all the while the question, will defendant theodore wafer take the stand in his own defense? our powerhouse legal team takes us through it all. when la quinta.com sends sales rep steve hatfield the ready for you alert, the second his room is ready. you know what he brings? any questions? can i get an a, steve? yes! three a's! he brings his a-game! the ready for you alert, only at laquinta.com! honey, look i got one to land.

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welcoming back to "new day." in just minutes, testimony will get back under way in the so-called front porch murder trial. day four of the trial got very heated. prosecutors and defense attorneys going at each other over every detail. in particular, grilling, galling the state, why? wait for his contention that he acted in self-defense and not just self-defense but also fired accidentally when he shot 19-year-old renisha mcbride to death on his front porch. take a listen. >> from the beginning, he said oh this gun discharged, this gun went off accidentally. that's his defense for the police. all of the sudden johnny come lately self-defense, you know, he's crawling on the floor, all these things the defense has created. >> do those two things go together? and for them to, must he take the stand? let's analyze. we have sunny hostin, former

federal prosecutor and mark geragos, defense attorney. thank you so you both. let's deal with what's in front of us. sunny hostin, which is it? is it self-defense or is it an accident? we know they fight each other as a concept, but how do they go together in this trial? >> i don't think he can have it both ways. initially i thought well maybe, because he doesn't want to be found guilty of anything, right? if it's an accident, is it manslaughter f it's self-defense can he then be exonerated of everything? i think he's trying to have it both ways but when you ask the average person, those are the people that are on the jury they're going to think you can't have this both ways. was it an accident? did you know that the gun was loaded or not? >> mark, what do you think? can it be both? >> yes, it can be both. sunny's right, though, to the degree that most people think at least superficially that -- >> mark just said i was right. >> only to a degree, as usual. >> well said. >> the problem is, is that they're going to get a jury instruction and the jury instruction is going to guide them and when they look at the

law, and jurors are very, very meticulous when they come to look at the jury instructions, the law is going to determine this, and as to your question as to whether he takes the stand, that's going to be dependent solely on whether this judge will give them a self-defense jury instruction without him taking the stand. if the judge says look, i think there's enough here for self-defense, the defense will not put him on the stand. if the judge says he has to take the stand, then he will, because otherwise he's got no way out in terms of having a self-defense instruction, which that jury can then acquit him on. >> sunny, one of the tactics the defense is trying to use is impugning the character of the victim, they're even bringing up some photos and her twitter handle. listen to what they said in court. >> i think the screaming for renisha mcbride on twitter is very important. her screen name is young and thugging. social media is probably the

most accurate form of reputation evidence. it's not specific acts. it goes under 404a to show that in self-defense cases the decedent was the first aggressor. >> they say it's important what her twitter handle was. >> this is classic defense blame the victim, attack the character of the victim. and it really burns me up, mark. there's no relevance whatsoever that her twitter handle is thuggin'. there is no relevance. the trayvon martin case when they wanted to show -- >> it's brilliant. >> -- that trayvon martin was the first aggressor because he had grills on his teeth, because he smoked marijuana and,' a defense tactic that needs to end. this woman after being in a car accident approaches this house seemingly looking for help and she gets shot in the face. >> federal prosecutors never bring up character evidence. >> that's a great -- right, right, exactly. all federal prosecutors know how to do is character assassination. >> that's ridiculous. >> and the idea that somehow --

>> wait a second. go ahead, mark. >> sunny can't get past the fact that the victim's twitter handle was sunny in this case, and that's bias in her. she's got to relax for a second, because this actually is a brilliant defense move. the idea that it's reputation evidence so it can come in makes perfect sense and sunny's argument is a great argument but that's all it is. this guy n his house, doesn't know anything that sunny's said. he doesn't know -- >> he doesn't know her twitter handle either. >> he doesn't know -- yeah but that's her reputation. that's a different issue. >> he doesn't know her reputation. >> he's sitting in his house. >> how is it relevant? >> he has somebody banging on the doors. sunny, the one thing, and we always talk about this, motive is not necessary, but what's his motive for just deciding to go out and murder her as you are alleging as a prosecutor. there is no motive. >> let me tee it up as a

question that goes to the issue and it's been ignored in the coverage of this story been we always think reasonable fear, my reasonable fear that you are going to hurt me, not in michigan. innish mi michigan it's honest . how do you think that plays here, sunny, one, what is the difference between reasonable and honest and two, does he have to take the stand in order for it to be convincingly honest to the jury? >> i think he certainly has to take the stand. i think he should. i think the jurors will want to believe or rather they will want to understand what was going on in his head at the time. >> why? what's the difference between reasonable and honest? >> i think the reasonable standard and mark, correct me if i'm wrong, what the average person would do, right, in that circumstance. >> right. >> i think the honest is more subjective, what he believed was going on. >> that's why the defense strategy geragos was talking about was important because he'll say it was my honest belief, that's why i shot through a door, it was just me. that may be good enough. >> i don't think it's good

enough but i think he definitely has to get on the stand to prove that. >> and mark, you were talking about how it can't really in your mind be murder. why didn't they go for something like voluntary manslaughter? >> prosecutors always overcharge. that's standard operating procedure with prosecutors. >> that's not true. >> the reason they do that is by giving you the exposure to potentially a life case that you will plead to something else. the criminal justice system wouldn't work if people were charged honestly, because people would go to trial if there was no penalty, a trial penalty. prosecutors love to hammer people and force them into that choice of having to plead otherwise being exposed. >> that's not true. >> your stock and trade as a prosecutor. >> you are not allowed as a prosecutor, mark, and you know this, to bring a case you know you cannot prove. this notion that defense attorneys have all the time -- >> oh my god. >> -- prosecutors overcharge, you're not ayou loed to do that

ping. it's unethical. >> that's part of the reason we call you sunny is because you have such a polyana disposition. prosecutors overcharge in every state in every court in this country every single day. >> that's not true. >> you this i this is an overcharge? >> this is clearly an overcharge. zple shot her in the face, mark! he shot an unarmed woman in the face. in his house behind a locked screen door. how is that overcharging? >> is that murder? >> of course it is. >> that murder? it's a classic manslaughter, sunny, and based on this jury, i said it the other day, my guess is, and the one thing we haven't talked about today is, that race will be a factor in this and based on the jury composition, i would expect a hung jury. >> all right. we'll leave it there. >> we'll see. >> we will see and continue to debate it. sunny, mark, thank you. >> sunny, very strong, geragos using hobson's choice from thomas hobson, one option, a strong reference, strong.

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