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improve the. it's the next five to six days that will determine if they are able to be apong the so few survivors of the virus. thanks so much for joining us. a special two-hour edition of a special two-hour edition of "ac 360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good everything, -- good evening. there are too many items to count, hamas rejecting a seize fire and israel asking for more u.s. ammunition. the u.n. blaming israel for the carnage at a school that was a known shelter known by both sides for thousands of displaced people. the white house today expressing concern for the loss of civilian life, the house today voting to condemn hamas for storing weapons in schools in gaza but no evidence there was any at this particular school and deeply disturbing images of a gaza marketplace coming under
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fire. these are still photos. we'll show video so you can see up close what this conflict looks like unfiltered. the government does not target civilians, not there and not un shelters. you'll hear from the ambassador and a un representative who says israel had 17 warnings that the school was a un shelter. first, though, karl penhole joins us. what's the latest you're hearing? >> reporter: we went down there, anderson, because of course, we went with our own eyes and ears to see what we can see and tell you about that. first of all, the experience for those there, this school, remember, was turned into a shelter for 3,000 displaced palestinians. one man said the men had been sleeping outside, the women inside. this attack came before dawn, so most of them were still sleeping. one man said when he heard the explosions and woke up, he saw elderly men cut into pieces around him, a lady lucky enough
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to be sleeping inside said the place filled up with smoke. she poured water on her eyes to see a little bit and said the shrapnel rained down. we looked around the school and it was clear a heavy round had come in through the roof of the building, crashed into the top floor and another round we spotted crashed through the corner and smashed out the side of a classroom. i went to the bother of measuring how big it was, it was the length of a broomstick, about 50 inches and then, of course, what we want to find out is who is to blame? there is fighting across the gaza strip and we have to find out who is to blame. the united nations had the investigation team in there very quickly. today they were doing creator analysis and gathering pieces of shrapnel and eyewitnesss accounts and the united nations
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tells me they are adamant this was israeli artillery rounds. they say three israeli artillery rounds crashed down on the school. they are condemning this heavily because they told both israel and hamas 17 times they gave them the coordinates of the school, the last time they gave them the coordinates of the school was eight hours before this attack. the united nations says they cannot understand what is going on. >> what is israel saying about this? the israeli defense forces said there was shelling from the vicinity of that school. >> reporter: yeah, the spokesman for the israeli military told cnn they had been fighting with hamas fighters in that area. the israeli military says they came under mortar attack from hamas fighters and responded.
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lieutenant colonel learner also said that there was a possibility that it could have been hamas mortar fire that fell on the school, but to say i put that to the united nations investigators. they say categorically no. they have clear evidence that permits them to conclude this was israeli artillery. >> there was also a strike at a credit shopping area today. what's the issue on that sm. >> reporter: again, people had word that possibly there would be a four-hour humanitarian pause that israel would seize its fire if hamas seized its fire. that never got together. there are too many terms and conditions with any of these pauses or truces. neither side has confidence. if one says we'll stop and another opens fire, there was clearly some kind of attack, an area in eastern gaza that had come understand e heavy attack in the last two weeks. another episode that puts blood
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on the streets, one of these episodes you just fail to understand how civilians are so heavily in the cross fire, anderson. >> karl penhole from gaza, appreciate. as we said, you'll hear from israel's ambassador. earlier today on cnn, the top spokesman for his government says israeli troops were responding to enemy fire nearby and quote, if our forces were involved, hamas decided it's open season on the u.n. anyone that stores ammunition in schools, sharp condemnation of what happened today. director of operations for the u.n. relief and works agency, the coordinator overseeing the school, he joins us tonight. tell us how this happened, as you understand it. >> we woke up this morning at 5:00 to hear that three projectiles had landed on one of
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our schools in the northern part of the gaza strip and we were able to send in teams to assess what had happened and when they came back with the evidence based on shrapnel and other evidence, it was clear for us that these had been fired, artillery fire from the israeli defense forces and we were, of course, not only dismayed, shocked and outraged that this could happen but in particularly, it was beyond me to comprehend how something like this could happen after we notified 17 successtive times, the presence of that school in this delicate area to the israeli defense forces the last time late last night and the objective of that was to ensure that this place would be protected and the people that were sheltered there, 3,300 of them would be protected and safe and they were not and that is intolerable. >> you say you contacted israelis 17 times.
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what is that process? who do you actually contact? you give them the gps coordinates? >> indeed. it covers that whole range before the intensification of the conflict, as we saw that the hostilities were building up and starting, we renotified the presence of our structures, so yes, as we saw intensification and increased danger in the entire neighborhood, we renotified and renotified again and late last night, a few hours before the fatal shelling. >> the israelis are saying that thely results of their own internal investigation point to their troops coming under mortar fire from militants in the vicinity of the school, so that they fired back. does that make any sense to you given what was happening on the ground at the time? >> the thing is on the one hand it's important that an investigation is carried out because i think indeed that is certainly a call on our side when an event as serious as this, we certainly expect the
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israeli defense forces to carry out those investigations, and in particular, also, we're prepared to engage with them, based on our own findings. the reality is when you engage in warfare in an environment like this, you need additional measures of distinction of the civilian population. this is a failure to do so and we have not been able and nobody has been able to protect the people that last night were sleeping in this school, children lying beside their parents and killed and injured in the middle of their sleep. >> you say you've communicating to the idf the exact location of the school some 17 times. have you also communicated that information to hamas, to your knowledge were aware civilians were sheltered in this school so they might avoid entering conflict in this area, if that's what they wanted to do?
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>> it's clear every party engage in a conflict like this and hostilities like these has under international humanitarian law the responsibility to refrain from action that can endanger civilians and expose them. in this instance, we don't have the full detail of what was happening around, but again, we say we were clear about our warnings to the defense forces, about the presence of this school, the people inside it and the fact, again, that it was shelled is incomprehensible because it is the sixth time in this particular conflict that one of our schools is struck in this way, and you know, when you reach that point and when you realize also that eight individual staff members have been lost in the course of our activities in this phase of emergency, the message is clear, we're reaching a breaking point and this has to seize.
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>> to you, the onis is on the israeli defense forces if hamas militants are firing, as they say, quote in the vicinity of the school. it's on the israeli defense forces to take extra precautions because they know there is a school there sheltering some 3,300 people. >> well, look, i'm looking at it from the prospective, humanitarian perspective. insufficient measures of precaution were taken and certainly not the distinction that was required or the precision that was required to avoid and prevent civilian casualties, which it has now become wide spread throughout the gaza strip. to the extend at this stage, people just wonder whether there is any part of this gaza strip where people are safe and protected. that is the whole notion of international humanitarian law, which is that civilians are not involved in the fighting must be protected by all the parties,
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and in this case, clearly, idf has more to do. >> and just so i'm clear, do you also communicate your locations to hamas officials? >> well, i think everybody who is permanently inside the gaza strip is very familiar with the presence, where we need for security reasons to engage and communicate aspects around the security of our staff and presence, we have channels for that, but in this particular instance, it is clearly and squarely on the side of the israeli defense forces. we believe, therefore, constitute as serious violation of international law. >> what do you say to people i mean, who now come to you and say look, i was told to leave my neighborhood. they called and said it's not safe here, go, go further south or go somewhere else. i mean, tonight, what will you say to people who come to you looking for shelter?
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>> well, i'll say that we're deeply shocked and deeply hurt that something like this was possible and we do see it as a failure towards the people that we're expecting protection and security. we're also clear about the fact that what unra can offer is the presence, you know, we currently have, you have to imagine what this means, 220,000 people in 85 to 86 schools around the gaza strip. that may sound ordinarily and organized and yes, we've been able to distribute food, mattresses and blankets but water is lacking. go into some schools and you'll see conditions as being very, very difficult already and this is the reality that we are facing and we have to tell the world here from gaza that any further displacement of population inside the gaza strip
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at this point will mean that israeli defense forces and israel will have to assume d direct responsibility because we reached the numbers we can. >> the times of israel reporting the idf uncovered booby trap opening tunnel in a small health clinic run by unra in southern gaza today, a, can you confirm that and if so, if it's true, how could there be a tunnel in un run clinic? >> i have not seen that report. i will not hesitate to comment on that. we have three occasions found during inspections carried out by our staff weapons that were placed in unra facilities, empty school buildings not being used and we were the ones who found out and communicated this openly to the parties. we made it known to the world
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but i want to say here, very clearly because i hear these kind of messages coming out, the fact that weapons were found in one school is certainly never going to be an excuse or something that helps anyone self-exonerate himself for shelling another school and i just want to be extremely clear about that. >> appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. just ahead tonight, israel's ambassador weighs in and on a broader criticism israel does not do enough to minimize civilian casualties. we'll be right back. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? yeah, we help with fraud protection. we monitor every purchase every day and alert you if anything looks unusual. wow! you're really looking out for us. we are. and if there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, you're never held responsible. just to be clear,
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. authorities in gaza say more than 1300 people have been dead, 56 israeli haves been killed, all but three were troops. the war is if not wrong, out right than at least is being wrongly fought. in israel, as you might imagine, they see thircngs differently. 80 to 90% public support. i spoke with israel's ambassador to the united states. mr. ambassador, thanks for being with us. a un school hit with what the un believes were several israeli artillery shells.
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the white house condemned it, what happened? >> i'm sure we'll investigate it. we definitely don't target un schools. unfortunately, there is a lot of fighting that goes around un schools and we had three different cases of un schools having rockets stored in them. so obviously, this is a huge problem. >> you know, i'm basing my questions on this un coordinator of the un relief and welfare aaga agaency who says his investigators went and believe it is israeli artillery shells fired in a line systematically. nobody is alleging it was targeting civilians but is responding with rapid fire artillery shells, long-range artillery, is that responsible given the idf had been informed of the coordinates some 17 times by the u.n.? >> look, i think we have to understand something, anderson. we have 2/3rds of the country in bomb shelters, if you can seriously tell me if you had 200 million americans in bomb shelters, day after day for
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three weeks that the united states would respond to less force from attacks that are coming from territory from a terror organization i would be surprised because i don't think that's the case. the second thing is, our military forces are in there. i don't know what happened. i don't know if they fired next to the school at a tank. if israel hadn't responded if we would have 15 dead soldiers the next day. what we can say, we cannot determine that sitting in new york and washington in a studio what happened in the field. >> but is it appropriate to fire artillery shells into a densely populated civilian area if you know that in that area, in that immediate area are thousands of civilian who you told to leave one area and come to another for safety, is it responsible to respond with artillery shells. saying point blank that's irresponsible. >> look, i have been in the war room with the israeli prime minister. 18 months ago i was in the room. i saw how many times i did not conduct operations because
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civilians came into harm's way. i do not believe anybody knowingly would risk the lives of those people in a school. the question is what did they know at the time? were they trying to hit? this a mistake, not a mistake? it a hamas rocket? i just don't know. >> you can understand the frustration and anger of this un coordinator who says look, i called the idf 17 times with gps coordinates of this school. we're housing people. we're stretched to the limit, we're housing people told to leave one area for their safety. i told them they will be safe here as much as i can and even though they called 17 times, this place gets hit. >> again, i don't know the circumstances. i understand the frustration he may have. let's wait until the facts are in. i think the u.n. organizations in gaza should really be outraged that their schools are turned into weapons depot. unrwa stands for relief workers, not rocket warehouses and where the u.n. should capture a sense of outrage is against hamas for
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turning any un facilities into weapons depots. >> they express that outrage. >> but they expressed the outrage and when they find the rockets, who do they give them back to? hamas. >> they don't claim to make efforts to destroy them. >> that's great they are claiming it now but the entire infrastructure hamas set up in gaza is designed to put palestinian civilians in harm's way. look, i don't have any problem with the media showing these pictures. they are heart-wrenching pictures to any descent human being when you see suffering and children who are killed, any descent person is moved by that. the question is where should our outrage be directed, hamas or israel? israel defending itself and doing everything to keep civilians out of harm's way or hamas using people as human shields. if hamas gets away with this, they will use this strategy again and again and again and the ones most endangered by this are going to be actually
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children and civilians of the palestinians, and it's wrong. >> the strikes on a marketplace, do you know why that area, was that area targeted, why that was hit? >> look, you say the word targeted. we do not target civilians period. we do not target civilians. in a war where you have people embedded in the civilian populati population, a dense area, any war, the most surgical, the most careful, the most cautious, trying to do everything to get the scivilians out of harm's wa, you have casualties and that's a tragedy but the responsibility for the tragedy has to be placed at the foot of hamas. if we don't do it again, they will do it over and over again because that's part of the strategy the u.n. coordinator says the agaency is at a breakig point. israel needs to accept responsibility for the displaced
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people if this continues, they frankly are at a breaking point. do you believe israel has any responsibility for these displaced people? >> i think israel is doing things to get civilians out of war zones. in many cases, some of the worst fighting that has taken place over the last couple weeks since we began ground operation, we have sent ahead of time flyers to tell people to evacuate. they have been giving them 48 hours to get out of the area. >> but they can't leave gaza. >> no, but we'll tell them to go from area a to b. >> you told that to the people who are in this un school and that didn't work. >> yeah, but again, i don't know what specifically happened to the un school. you had, i think the numbers i saw, 250,000 people left certain areas. 160,000 are in one form or another and maybe another 80,000 in gaza city. we're aware of the problem and will do everything we can to limit any humanitarian fallout to what is happening but we're
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in a situation, we have to defend ourself. we are having every day hundreds of rockets fired and soldiers killed. how would america respond if people were tunnelling and killing american civilians ask soldiers and firing rockets into the united states? you don't think america would respond with more force than israel is responding with? >> just so you know, the figure the u.n. gave me was 220,000 people in 85 or 86 different facilities. thank you. >> thank you. >> i spoke much longer with the ambassador more than we have time to air. up next, the war in realtime. the attack in the open air market in gaza. it's difficult to watch but it's important to see what people on both sides of the conflict with dealing with.
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♪ mattress discounters a warning, what we're about to show you is graphic, maybe hard to watch. you watched the ambassador deny it was intentional.
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before we show you the new video, the marketplace, what happened at that marketplace we ought to say almost everyone that watches will see it through his or her own prism. we're not showing you to make a point of rightness or wrongness of the war, instead, we want to show you the beat by beat reality of what ordinary people face on the ground when war comes to one of the most densely populated place on earth. an open market in gaza where hundreds were shopping when shots began. a camera crew was there and recorded the scene. 17 people were killed. again, we want to warn you the video was graphic. we do think it's important for you to see. >> [speaking foreign language]
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>> i want to bring in our correspondent in gaza. we turn to john voss in gaza city. today's strike on the market, 17 were killed at least. this happened during what was meant to be a pause, humanitarian window. what happened? >> reporter: well, anderson, the israelis announced there would be a four-hour seize fire. they would hold their fire providing hamas stop the rockets. hamas never agreed, they essentially said it was a media stunt, a chance to reposition troops and so the rockets kept coming and after 26 were fired in a two-hour period israel decided to respond with a number
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of quick air strikes and quick succession and it seems that's when this marketplace was hit maybe multiple times. so this is an area of gaza surrounded by warehouses and shops, as well as homes. what witnesses have been saying is after that first strike, the ambulances started arriving, residents came out to help evacuate and this is when the videotapes comes out and that's when you hear the succession of explosions, which follow. they may have been israeli air strikes, artillery, it's difficult to know. we should keep in mind there was a gas station not far away also on fire, maybe explosions came from there. again, this is very confusing and certainly appears these were israeli air strikes. hamas officials said one of the reasons why this marketplace was just so busy at the time, many people thought that four-hour window, that humanitarian window was actually still in place. they had no idea that the
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israelis had decided to respond. they said they would respond. they just didn't say when. anderson? >> israel also often says in situations like this that hamas rockets or other group's rockets may have misfired and landed or that rockets were being fired by hamas or islam jihad or another group from the vicinity. has israel said anything specifically about this incident, about whether or not it was israeli shells, and whether or not there was any fighting in the region or any shots being fired by hamas or another group toward israel? >> reporter: yeah, nothing with regard to hamas rockets and you're right, they often do say they because it often is true. hamas rockets do come up short and kill palestinians. in this case, what we're hearing from israelis is they say they don't target civilians here and they are saying that over and over again. >> all right. appreciate it. we'll dig deeper in the dangerous mix of civilians and
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troops. the middle east program of the international crisis group. nathan, yesterday rockets were discovered in a un facility for the third time during the conflict. it does beg the question, how many more rocket stores like this exist in what are supposed to be safe zones? >> well, i think it's a hard question to answer after the previous rounds in gaza, organizations have gone in and had difficulty ascertaining just how many rockets are stored in civilian areas. >> hamas leadership did go on a hamas tv station saying to ignore leaflets and organizations and to stay in their homes. what do you think was behind that? that to complicate the battle field? >> i think the idea of a human shield is specifically related to the concept of co-wergs and
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convincing them why they ought to in this case, hamas' argument is your house will be flattened if you don't and israeli tanks will be in the center of gaza tomorrow, otherwise. so i think a lot of people are persuaded by that argument and would like to be in their homes, rather than just watch them get flattened. >> the other argument that israel makes is that hamas not only wants the protection of civilians, the quote unquote protection of civilians to, you know, to use as human shields but also, they don't mind the death of civilians, that it actually suits their purposes to have civilians killed because of the public relations, because of the images and eventual out cry and the high number of civilian
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casualties. >> i think it's a complicated story. i think that there is not a doubt that rising civilian casualties in this conflict and in past ones have tilted the diplomatic community to call for more you a more urgent seize fire and get the seize fire. on the other hand, it's not cost free for there to be a large loss of life in gaza, and hamas is ultimately accountable to the population, and if they are exposing people to unnecessary risk, and if they appear to be intending for civilians to die, then there would be a real consequence for them politically. >> nathan, appreciate your time. thank you. >> you're welcome, thank you. we'll have more on the situation in gaza and israel coming up. unsafe conditions near the crash site, malaysia flight 17, investigatiors out.
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for the fourth day in a row, investigators are unable to
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reach the site where malaysia flight 17 was blown out of the sky. as the ukrainian government and pro-russian rebels fight, it prevented dutch investigators from entering the crash site. conditions too unsafe. nick paton walsh managed to gete
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for the minor dignities they deze deser deserve. >> nick paton walsh joins me from donetsk. they set up land mines on the roads with access to the crash side. did you see that today, or did you take a different route? >> reporter: not the area we went to. the ukrainian government, this is happening in the areas around the crash site. it's a huge area and an area being fought over in a civil war. it wouldn't be entirely unlikely they would have some sort of firing position or mines to simply assist them in defending the areas they want to retain control of. do we specifically see land
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mines on the access roads? no. we saw small numbers of militants, welcoming us allowing us to go to the site. we have the dutch government saying they don't think they will get to the site in the days ahead. there simply isn't the safety they need. in the days past, we really seen the ukrainian government wanting to be as you were they are the ones that provide access, fighting for this area and the areas around that right now and potentially, inspectors working to get to the place with the kind of conditions they need i think really until the ukrainian military dominate in that area. >> appreciate it. stay safe. fast-moving developments in the ebola outbreak, what the peace corps announced and we'll talk to a friend of an american missionary fighting for her life after contracting the virus. she was helping out in a hospital for ebola patients. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from a dry mouth
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more on the deadly oc-- ebo outbreak. u.s. health officials are considering raising a travel warning for the region. liberia is closing schools and markets to disinfectant due to growing concerns the worst ebola outbreak in history could spread. 670 people have died according to the world and at this hour two infected american aid workers continue to
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fight for their lives. in a moment, i'll speak to nancy's pastor. >> reporter: as the deadly ebola virus moves across west africa, concern about it spreading further mounts. two peace corps volunteers exposed to the virus are in isolation and under observation before they can return to the u.s. the peace corps announced today it is pulling out huneds of its volunteers from the three west african countries effected by ebola and returning them to the u.s. and cnn learned that the centers for disease control is considering raising the travel warning to effect countries to the highest level, advising americans against any non-essential travel. >> of course, there is a possibility of somebody flying in from africa or someplace. >> reporter: as two american aid workers with ebola are showing signs of improvement, the christian organizations they work for are evacuating all non-essential personnel out of that country. the son of one of the aid
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workers spoke on the today show. >> she's fighting through it and continuing to express symptoms but able to move around on her own and getting lots of fluids into her. >> reporter: the disease claimed the life of a minnesota father of three patrick sawyer. he flew and became violently ill as he flew to nigeria. his widow says she spoke with him days before he died. >> hes visiting his sister. she was ill, and he had helped care for her, and so he contracted it that way. they didn't know it was ebola, because ebola displays other symptoms like miliaria symptoms, so they thought she may have malaria. if he known, he would have definitely taken better precautions. >> reporter: liberia shut down
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some boarders and closed all of its schools and health officials in certain west african countries are screening in bound and out bound airline passengers and the cdc is working with them to show people how to protect themselves from ebola. the cdc with these isolation pods should it need to transport anyone that needs to be brought back to the u.s. pamela brown, cnn, washington. >> as pamela mansioned, two american aid workers are among those infected. john monroe is a friend and pastor. he joins me tonight. pastor, i understand you spoke to nancy's husband david. what did he tell you about her condition? >> it's a devastating situation, dreadful condition to be tested positive for ebola. i spoke with him this morning. she's holding her own very, very tired, very, very weak. in all of the circumstances, in good spirits if one can be in
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good spirits in that tough situation. i was very much encouraged by his focus, that their trust was in the lord but said that there is a tremendous weight and emotion. there is times of sadness, there is times when they are very, very unsure about the future, obviously, but above all, they are encouraged people are taking interest in them, great pouring out of love and praying for recovery. >> nancy's husband had to move to another location for her safety. he was around her before she was diagnosed. any word on his condition? does he have any symptoms? >> yeah, so far not. she is in isolation in their home. he can see her through the window, so there is contact, but obviously, no physical contact. so that is extraordinarily tough for them. >> the level of care she's getting, are they satisfied with tha
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that? >> it's very, very important she doesn't get dehydrated. it's important she gets fluids. tomorrow could be different but today she's holding her own. there certainly isn't deteruation, so we're thankful. >> nancy nor her husband in liberia necessarily to provide medical help. they are missionaries, not doctors, but they went where they thought they were needed. they certainly understood the risk. >> they did. they didn't go primary to deal with ebola patients but as good missionaries do, they are there to serve the lord, do what is needed. this is what they have done. they abandoned everything and said this is what god is calling us to do and as i say, i think it resonates with a lot of people and they want to know they are humbled, they very much appreciate the outpouring of
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love and the fact that you would take time, anderson, to show an interest in this case, absolute l ly amazing. we want people to pray for them and encourage them and i think they are inspired by that. >> our thoughts and prayers are certainly with them both, in fact, with all those infected right now. dr. brantly, as well. thank you so much for taking time with us. >> thank you. imagine how difficult that would be. still ahead in the next hour of our program, a special extra hour. outrage of a strike on a school in gaza. thank you for your sacrifice and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote
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good evening, thanks for watching our special extended edition of "360." a pair of deadly incidents at civilian locations. the u.n. saying evidence points to israeli responsebility for the school attack, circumstances less clear for the market. the israelis saying there was fighting in the area. the obama administration warning israel needs to do more to limit civilian casualties. in any event, this was a very grim day in gaza and grim and we should warn you, rough to watch.