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>> i'm errol barnett. it's now day 24 of the israel-hamas conflict with the death toll in gaza topping 1,300. israel reports 59 deaths, 56 of them soldiers. shells hit near a schoolhousing displaced residents. >> the prime ministers of the netherlands and malaysia are scheduled to meet today to talk about how to get investigators to the crash site of flight mh17. fighting in eastern ukraine has blocked an international convoy trying to each that area for the past four days. the deadline for argentina to escape his third default in 28 years, passed about two hours ago now. government negotiators were unable to reach a deal with a small group of hold-out creditors. currency devaluation is now a real possibility which could lead to inflation, experts say
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that could be disastrous. all right, we return to our main story, what's happening in gaza. at least 20 people were killed wednesday at a united nations schoolhousing displaced gazans. the united nations says israel's responsible. but israeli and palestinian officials, as you might expect, have very different opinions over who's to blame. >> we do not target civilians. in a war where you have people embedded in the civilian population, a dense area, any war, even the one that is the most surgical, the most careful, the most cautious, trying to do everything to get the civilians on the other side out of harm's way. you're going to have civilian casualties, and that's a tragedy. but the responsibility for that tragedy has to be placed at the foot of hamas. >> israeli has been lying about all these attacks on schools. today the united nations verified that the shells that hit a school yesterday and
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killed 17, 19 palestinians, and wounded scores of others, were israeli shells. the united states has to wake up and urge israeli to stop this bloodshed and this carnage. it is shameful that the united states is resupplying ammunition to a country that is committing right now war crimes. >> two very different narratives playing out in this cycle of violence in the middle east. the international push for a ceasefire has done nothing so far to resolve the conflict. >> there was a recent opinion poll in israel that shows most israelis don't want a ceasefire, they want to see the hamas threat completely eliminated. saraside ner brings us that part of this story. >> from the tel aviv seashore to the israeli-gaza border and beyond, the show of support from israeli jews for netanyahu's war effort is clear, we're with you. hebrew signs say it with words. the people bruf it with deeds.
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volunteers cook free meals with the sound of war booms behind them, in easy striking distance from gaza. >> this is who they're doing it for, the soldiers on the battlefield. the message, we are with you. two opinion polls done to measure support for israeli's operation protective edge, revealed that up to 95% of israeli jews are against a ceasefire. and what they really want is hamas dealt with, once and for all. >> hamas is terrorism. and terrorism, they hurt every corner in the world. we just have to put -- take them out from gaza. >> he says he's happy living side by side with palestinians in java, but hamas is a different thing. netanyahu's plan to destroy the tunnel network in gaza got a pat on the back in tel aviv. >> we have to continue because we have a lot of work to do
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there. otherwise, they will find a way to come inside, you know, all the tunnels and i don't know the name, and we have to destroy everything. >> reporter: for this young lady, it's deeply personal. she's to be married soon, but her fiance is a soldier on the front lines. he's in gaza somewhere and we're afraid. we're afraid, she says, we shouldn't stop fighting. we shouldn't compromise. we set down with israeli's top intelligence agency about what it would take to fulfill the sentiment of those polled. >> it calls for conquering the entire gaza. >> which means reoccupation? >> no doubt. >> reporter: saying the price of that will be higher than the public realizes, costing lives and money. >> it means that we will have to stay in gaza with relatively deployed forces for two, three, four years. >> reporter: the former chief
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did not initially support netanyahu's decision to put israeli boots on the ground, but he admits something to us that spy chiefs rarely do. >> now i understand that i was wrong because only with this ground operation we could discover those tunnels. >> reporter: a political analyst says the support for netanyahu and his army chief system remarkable. >> i can't remember a minister of operation, which has had so much support from the israeli people. >> reporter: but the polls did not include palestinians with israeli citizenships referred to as israeli arabs. those we spoke to wanted to stop the offensive. but even israeli peace rallies demanding an end to the war have been met with protesters in support of pounding gaza until hamas is crushed. in the meantime, there's vocal support for israel in many parts of the u.s. take a look at this.
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♪ ♪ >> thousands attended this pro-israel rally outside the united nations on monday, including new york senator chuck schumer and some new york house members. schumer called media coverage biased and one-sided. >> pro-israel rallies have been held in other u.s. cities and have been pro-palestinian rallies as well. >> peter joins me now, a commentator who wrote an article published in tuesday's edition of the newspaper entitled "gaza myths and facts." welcome. in your column, you take on some arguments frequently heard from israel supporters in the u.s. let me just walk viewers through some of your main points. one of the things often heard is that israel left gaza.
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israel remains an occupying power. you say it seized power. it won elections. and that hamas reached its economic failure when it allows the ransacking of greenhouses. you know israel shut down t-- yu conclude israel has played into hamas' hands by not strengthening those palestinians willing to pursue statehood through non-violence and mutual recognition. >> i consider myself a strong supporter of israel. i care very deeply about israel. i'm a member of the american jewish community and i have no affection whatsoever for hamas. an organization whose values are totally opposite to the values that i hold dear. what bothers me is that the conversation in the american jewish community, i think does
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not allow the context to understand that while israel has fought hamas militarily, it's made a series of political decisions that i think have been very unwise and that have in many ways strengthened hamas. for instance, israeli's decision to cut off most commerce with the gaza strip, not allowing, for instance, almost any exports from gaza to israel or the west bank, which is the place where traditionally gaza had exported. that doesn't hurt hamas. what it hurts is gaza's independent business class that could have been a rival to hamas. when israel makes it so hard for students in gaza to travel to the west bank to study, or even sometimes to go for medical attention, it's not hurting hamas. it's actually hurting gazans who want access to the outside world, so they can have the kind of conversation that is so hard for them to have under hamas rule in gaza. that was what i was trying to write about. >> what about the disconnect?
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there's no much popularity for this campaign to continue among those in israel. meantime, there seems to be a bit of a deflection for accepting blame for this mounting death toll. we hear them say weapons are stored in abandoned u.n. shelters. the u.n. saying none of the places attacked were occupied. they were abandoned shelters. and many israelis still support this without realizing it fofters more vilens with this mounting death toll. >> i think israelis are afraid. i was in israeli for the first week of this war. it's a terrible thing to be in shelters and to see the tunnels that could see hamas to try to attack an israeli town or city. i understand why israelis are frightened. and israel has legitimate security concerns. what worries me is that at a certain point, the response becomes counterproductive, not
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only from a humanitarian point of view, but even for a security point of view. i like the fact that israel is destroying tunnels and rockets in gaza, but when a thousand civilians die, hundreds of children, you are producing the very rage and despair that hamas and even worse groups feed off of. that's the same with this blockade. there are some security concerns that israel has about potential violence coming out of gaza. i don't deny that for a second. but at a certain point, even from a security point of view, when you cause economic devastation for an entire population, you produce the very hatred that ultimately comes back to be a security threat against you. >> meantime, though, we're seeing the u.s. playing its role, while on one hand, secretary of state kerry is pushing for a ceasefire, speaking with egypt. on the other hand, we have the report that the u.s. of course is funding the israeli military and is now allowing them to
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replenish some of their ammunition. let's hear what senator chuck schumer said about the blame in this conflict just earlier this week. take a listen. >> the reason there is a war is hamas. here's what hamas did. first, they stored rockets in civilian areas, in hospitals, in mosques, in people's homes. then they provoked war by sending rockets to israel and kidnapping and killing the three israelis on the west bank. and third, they tell their citizens, don't run away from the missiles. stay as human shields. >> as we just discussed, it's a bit more complicated than hamas, although hamas is partly to blame. is the u.s. helping here? what kind of message does it send when we see prominent u.s. leaders simply support israel without realizing the nuances we've been talking about? >> i'm glad america supports israeli security.
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what disappoints me about american political leaders is, if they really want to fight hamas effectively, they have to show palestinians that those palestinian leaders like mahmoud abbas who have accepted israel's right to exist repeatedly and have been pursuing the palestinian cause non-violently. they have to show those people are getting somewhere for their pursuit of non-violence and recognition. they have to make those people winners. when you have a leader who is hamas's rival who accepts israel's right to exist, gets only increased settlement growth, then you actually play into hamas' hand. >> the conversation either with a cnn commentator and writer. just talking about the nuance and details and some of the viewpoints we don't often hear as we cover this ongoing conflict. >> very true. we will take a short break. another story we are watching,
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from the wreckage site for the past four days. here you can see dark smoke rising from the city center in donetsk. >> just a few weeks ago slovyansk was under the control of rebel forces who wanted to break away from ukraine. today the city is back in government hands. matthew chance was able to visit recently. >> reporter: beneath the soil of slovyansk, a dark legacy of its recent past. >> translator: we were taken on a mass grave site on the outskirts of this former rebel strong hold. innocent civilians killed by the rebels may be buried here. we found at least four mass graves, just like this one. civilians and some rebels buried together, eventually, we'll exhume all the remains, but we need criminal investigators, and
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time. >> reporter: now firmly under ukrainian military control, the divisions that ravaged slovyansk remain exposed. some of the pro-russian rebels have fled, but officials say many more have stayed, discarding their military fatigues and melting back into normal life. rooting them out is now a priority for the government in kiev. we gained exclusive access to this armed task force, sent to screen and purge the local security force. we're actually inside this slovyansk police headquarters. and in this room right here, the chief investigator of the slovyansk railway police is being interrogated about his role in the insurgency. he says he's innocent, but investigators believe he could be connected to the rebels. they have connected him to a lie detector to try to get to the
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truth. it amounts to a loyalty test. and every police officer, we're told, is being subjected to it. >> translator: local attitudes to this checking is positive. because they also think we should screen the police. as for the police themselves, some of them are afraid of us. but if they're not connected to any criminal activity, they shouldn't be scared. >> reporter: but as the ukrainian military recaptures territory from pro-russian rebels, mistrust divides this region and remains deep. matthew joins us live from kharkiv, what's the situation there? >> well, as far as we understand it, rosemary, there is still fierce fighting under way. not on the crash site itself of mh17. but in the small towns that surround it. and that's been the main factor
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why the osc team, the international investigators from the netherlands and from australia, have been unable, for the past four days, to reach that site. they said it's because of the poor security situation there. we've heard already they'll try again today to access the site. but with no end to the fighting around the crash area, it seems just as unlikely as previously that they're going to be able to acquire secure access. >> and, okay, matthew, just quickly then, how is that going to be done? because ukraine at this point seems determined -- the ukraine government seems determined to keep the fighting going in that area. >> yes, it seems to have rejected all suggestions that it curb its military offensive in the area to allow the investigators to get through. at the same time, the rebels are being blamed for preventing access as well. there's a couple of meetings
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that are going to get under way today. bringing together the various parties in this conflict to try and broker a deal to secure access for the investigators to the site. that may yield some results. russia will be attending that, as well as ukrainian and russian rebels as well. so perhaps a deal with be brokered. but i think what's in the mind of the ukrainian military, they want to secure the area, they want to surround the rebels in that area around the donetsk region and perhaps get access to the site themselves and provide access securely for the investigators when they've got control. >> indeed, matthew chance reporting from kharkiv, many thanks to you. we'll take a short break and have more for you when we come back in just a moment. i'm living the life of dreams. i'm living the life of dreams, with good people all around me. i'm living the life of dreams. no! i'm living the life of dreams. i'm feeling hopefully.
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we are getting word that at least 18 people are dead after a powerful landslide swept through a village south of the indian city of mumbai. >> these reports still coming in, i think some people were able to be rescued alive out of the mud from the landslides, but such a serious situation there right now. >> errol, it's believed some 200 people are still trapped as well. we know some 44 homes were flattened by the landslide at 4:00 a.m. local time. you can see the thunderstorm activity as it moved over this region. south of mumbai is where this village is located. look at the scene as far as the
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video is located where we know the landslide occurred. 4:00 a.m. local time on tuesday when the landslide happened. you would imagine the vast majority of these people sound asleep. at least 18 fatalities and this pattern very typical. you get the monsoon season that has picked up in intensity over the last several weeks across this region, brought down heavy rainfall, upwards of six to seven inches in a few spots in 24 hours. to give you a perspective, switch it around here and leave you with some developing situations, as far as the heat is concerned, because coming across a story that we have a heat wave developing over the past 24 hours, for portions of australia. temperatures in sydney getting up to about 77 degrees fahrenheit, 25 celsius. quite unusual. this is like spring-like conditions as opposed to the heart of winter in late july. this pattern, again, expected to continue for a couple of more
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days. it's only the sixth time in 155 years of data that sydney has been able to reach 25 celsius. 77 fahrenheit in the heart of winter. i don't know if you had a chance to speak to family, but there's something to talk about there. >> definitely. incredible stuff. nothing's predictable in the weather department these days. these are exciting times for a family of treasure hunters. >> a precious artifact is missing no longer. john from cnn affiliate wpbf has the story. >> it's almost too much. to be honest with you. >> brought to tears by the find of his life. i'm still on the top of the wave. i haven't come down yet. rick schmit has been treasure hunting since he was 14. this was the moment he's always dreamed about. his family was off the coast of
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ft. pierce, hunting for spanish treasure. it was his son who spotted a glint of gold. >> oh [ bleep ]. >> it was the missing piece from a mystery artifact found in 1989. >> i pretty much knew what it was right away. nothing's ever looked like that before. it could only be the missing piece. >> for decades archaeologists thought it was a picture frame from the late 1600s. now complete, it's believed to be a holy vessel used by a high-ranking catholic church official to carry the youk rift. it might be the biggest score of their treasure hunting careers, but the schmit family isn't ready to quit. >> you keep going. you don't stop when you're hot. if you've ever played cards before, you don't stop when you're on a roll. >> that does it for us, i'm rosemary church. >> i'm errol barnett, a pleasure
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viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm max foster in london. ahead this hour, anger in the aftermath of a deadly strike on a shelter in gaza. we'll take you inside the former school being used to protect civilians. two weeks since the downing of flight 17, crash investigators are still being kept from the scene. gaza health officials say shelng
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