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she's weak but working through it. one good piece of good news is that yesterday they were having a very difficult time getting an iv into her for proper fluids. and dad told me this morning that one of the nurses that's part of the team that's attending to my mom and dr. brantley was able to get an iv in on the first try. so we're really happy about that this morning. yeah, i don't know if evacuation is possible for mom and dad. i don't believe it is right now, but there's a team of doctors and medical staff that are committed to staying with mom and dad through the duration of this. and so we're very thankful for them and their commitment and their act of love and service to our family and to the family of dr. brantley as well. >> we'll see now if that one dose helps save a life. thanks for watching us. wolf live from jerusalem starts right now.
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hello, i'm wolf blitzer reporting from jerusalem. i'd like to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. israel is bringing in reinforcements in its battle against hamas. and the prime minister says the operation is just the first phase of demilitarizing gaza. here are the latest developments. sirens sounded over tel aviv a short time ago as hamas fired more rockets towards israel. israeli police say one man was seriously injured when a rocket hit 20 miles from the gaza border. and one day after a deadly strike on the united nations school in gaza, there was another close call. shells landed near a u.n. school. eight people were slightly injured. the u.n. is using the schools as shelters. also, the israeli military says it's calling up another 16,000 reservists. and prime minister netanyahu says israel will finish its goal of taking out hamas tunnels with or without a cease-fire. earlier i spoke with the former israeli president, shimon peres, about the tunnels and the rocket
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attacks. >> the rockets and the missiles will continue. and if it will continue, we should fight back. they will continue to fire rockets, they'll get back rockets. i cannot see a cease-fire. >> much more of my exclusive interview later this hour. palestinian officials say the death toll in gaza has now risen to 1,373, and we are getting up-close images from one deadly attack. some viewers may find the video very tough to watch. the media agency says a photographer was filming the aftermath of an israeli airstrike on a gaza market. he was injured in a second strike, but his assistant picked up the camera and kept it rolling. watch this. [ sirens ]
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[ explosions ] [ speaking foreign language ] >> very difficult, obviously, to watch those images. karl penhaul is in gaza city. he's joining us now live. karl, bring us up to speed on what's happening right now. >> reporter: you know, just when you thought things couldn't get much worse, they do seem to be getting worse by the hour almost. of course, a continuation of the fighting on the battlefield. we've heard israeli artillery in action throughout much of the day, pounding targets in northern and eastern and in southern gaza from what we can hear from our vantage point and also south of where we are, probably about 2 1/2 hours ago, a barrage of four militant rockets being fired skyward off
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towards israel. the fight is very much on. there is no off-ramp. it seems quite clear that the israeli military hasn't yet achieved its targets of shutting down hamas military infrastructure, and for its part, no sign that hamas is ready to put its head down and give up this fight either. but, of course, it's the civilians who are bearing a lot of the brunt. my colleague was out there this afternoon looking once again at the issue of power. and he's found out from the gaza power company that that power plant was struck multiple times over multiple days. and that has left most of the strip without any power at all. and it's having an impact on the water situation as well and the sewage situation because they need electricity to pump that as well. and that isn't happening. so people in their homes, you know, regardless of whether you're in a u.n. shelter or not, a lot of people are sheltering their extended families in their apartments. many people in tiny apartments, no air con, no tv, just
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listening, huddled around a small radio to see if they can pick up some tidbits of the latest fighting. and the longer this goes on, we've seen the israeli artillery. that's an area weapon being used in built-up areas. it's a very blunt instrument. and as the israelis move deeper on to the edges of gaza, that is pushing militant fighters deeper into the built-up areas, and that could be one of the reasons why this war seems to be getting dirtier by the moment, wolf. >> all right, karl, i want you to -- i know we're getting new information. more israelis have been injured. mortar shells apparently coming in from gaza into southern israel. we're also hearing that apparently hamas still has plenty of rockets. one rocket came into a town in southern israel, seriously injuring one israeli. it looks like that iron dome didn't necessarily work in that particular instant.
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they still have plenty of rockets left, missiles. the israelis estimate, what are you hearing? >> reporter: difficult certainly the militant factions aren't advertising how much weaponry they still have left, but we certainly saw rockets going out this afternoon and believe that was the launch of the rockets that did the damage across on the israeli side. and that's the tragedy about it. you know, perhaps you on your side see artillery going out, and that's doing damage here. we see rockets here heading that way doing damage. and there is no sign that either side is running out of steam. what we have heard from militant factions and the political factions here in gaza is that the rockets aren't all necessarily imported. they might have the technology from places like iran or syria or modelled on russian systems. but then with that technology, they're putting them together here on the ground in secret weapons factories. and so if that is the case and if those weapons factories are
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well protected, this could still go on for a while. and of course, as we know, with israeli boots on the ground inside gaza, the militants are taking the fight to them in close-quarters combat, wolf. >> yes, indeed. this fight is obviously continuing. i think we can call it a war. karl penhaul in gaza, thanks very much. let's get some insight now into israel's military strategy and today's developments. we're joined by retired israeli air force major general amos yadlin, now heads the institute for national security suddtudiet tel aviv university. what is the israeli military strategy right now in the short term and in the long term? >> this fight, this war can be finished in a minute that hamas will stop launching rockets to israel. they refused to accept the quiet for quiet, the egyptian cease-fire proposal.
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they violate their own cease-fire humanitarian cease-fire. so this is about what we are seeing. the israeli strategy is protecting our land from the rockets. and then destroying the tunnels, what you called militant and i call terrorists, prepare to attack the israeli settlements. >> the general in charge of the southern command, general sammy turgiman, he says that operation seems to be coming to an end, destroying those tunnels. is that what you're hearing as well? >> yes. we have another two or three days. and then the government will have to decide because the israeli military don't have a strategy. remote from our political group. and our political goal is not to reoccupy gaza. we disengaged from gaza, i remind you. there are no settlements in gaza. we disengaged from gaza. the palestinians choose to be
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terrorist terrorists. so whenever they will decide to stop firing, and this is the goal of the government of israel, the idea to stop doing what it is doing. but if they will continue to fight, we will have to consider three kinds of military strategies. one is to say we have nothing to look in gaza. we will continue with the air force as long as they want to exchange fire. they don't have any more capability to escalate. they don't have any more surprises. so the firepower of israel is much stronger. if this is not enough, we can deepen the operation because the operation now is only destroying the tunnels. it's one or two or three kilometers. we can go into much deeper into gaza. and if worse comes to worse, it can be a full regaining of gaza.
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>> because it looks like the military is getting ready for a much bigger operation. they mobilized another 16,000 reservists. already 86,000 reservists have been activated. for a small country, that's a lot of troops. >> that's one of the lessons from the second lebanese war. you have to be ready to do an alternative to execute and move, even if you don't think that this is the best alternative, but if worse comes to worse, you have to be ready. >> when the state department and the white house and now the pentagon itself, a briefer at the pentagon told reporters today, according to our pentagon correspondent, barbara starr, civilian casualties in gaza have been too high. it is clear the israelis need to do more. we want them to do more. that's from a spokesman, u.s. department of defense. what else should israel be doing to prevent those images, those horrible pictures, that we've been seeing, the unusually high number of civilian deaths and injuries? >> first of all, you have to
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understand that hamas military terrorists are killed in hundreds, and they are not reporting it. they, of course, are putting all the cameras on the civilians. >> so you say israel has killed hundreds of hamas -- >> hundreds of hamas militants in the tunnels, in the fighting on the ground, in the air. but they will show you only the civilians. and the civilians is heated because of the tactics of the terrorists. they shield behind the civilians. where are the leaders? they are in the bunkers. but they put outside near the rockets -- >> should israel, the idf, be doing more? >> they are doing more than the americans have done in fallujah and more than the americans have done in germany in the second world war. we are a moralist army in the world. we have a code of conduct that we are allowed to attack only terrorists. but the terrorists will not be immune if there are only
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civilians. and we called off a lot of attacks because there are too many civilians. so we are doing it to prevent the terrorists from firing into our country. and we will continue to do it. and i am really willing to have any debate with american journalists, spokesmen about how israel is doing it compared to how america has done it. >> amos yadlin, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> we'll continue this conversation and maybe we'll organize one of those debates here on cnn. thank you very much. we're going to be right back. we're going to get a different perspective. i'll be speaking with former palestinian adviser khalid al gindi, now with the brookings institution in washington. [ female announcer ] when you're serious about fighting wrinkles,
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welcome back. curiously absent in the current conflict is the usual course of condemnation from so many of israel's arab neighbors. a former adviser to the palestinian negotiators, now a fellow at the brookings institution center for middle east policy in washington, d.c. is joining us now. thanks very much for joining us. a lot of us read that story in "the new york times" today. you were quoted in that story saying the usual condemnation of israel from egypt and saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, a lot of other countries in the arab world not necessarily happening because they're no great friends of hamas. what's your take on this big picture here? >> well, before i get into that, i'd like to just for a minute address the question of israel's military strategy, which you just discussed with mr. yadlin. >> go ahead. >> yeah, one thing he didn't point out is -- and i think this
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is fairly well known -- israel's war doctrine is based on the principle of overwhelming disproportionate force. it used that in the 2006 war in lebanon. it's used that in the last several gaza conflicts. so it is, in fact, actually intended to maximize harm to palestinians. or to civilians. even if individual palestinian civilians are not being targeted, clearly things like destroying the power plant and currently most of gaza is blacked out which has serious health consequences, as you mentioned in your report. so this is a strategy in which civilians are -- the civilian population is part of that -- is part of the target. so i think the notion that israel is trying to minimize civilian casualties is something that needs to be put in that context. as far as the regional -- >> let me interrupt you for a second. let me interrupt for a second because the israelis are denying that they blew up that power
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plant. they're saying they're investigating it, but they say it was not targeted by israel. and they're suggesting it was actual lly blown up by errant hamas rockets launched from gaza supposedly to go into israel but fell short. that's the israeli position, at least as far as i know it right now. >> right. right. and i've seen those same reports. but as you mentioned or as was mentioned in the report just a few minutes ago, the power plant had been hit several times. so it's highly unlikely that r errant missiles hit the power plant several times before it was destroyed. but also in the past, israel has destroyed the very same power plant in 2006, which is -- was a response to the abduction -- or the capture of gilead shalid in which they openly admitted that they destroyed the power plant. so this isn't something new. and it isn't something that, you
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know, that they've denied in the past. >> well, go ahead and talk a little bit about the big picture -- about the relative silence we're getting from several of these major arab players out there. usually they're condemning israel. not so much this time. >> yeah. and i think, you know, we're starting to see some of that now from egypt and others where they are beginning to condemn. obviously it's very late in this process 23 or 24 days into this conflict whereas in the past, it's usually come much more immediate. there is a convergence of interests between the regime in egypt, which is very hostile to the muslim brotherhood and hamas, which is an affiliate of the muslim brotherhood on ideological grounds. and that they see themselves as at war with political islam. and that has coincided and aligned with the netanyahu
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governments very specific war against hamas, per se. and so there is a convergence of interests, but i think it's very hard to sustain that kind of convergence over a long period of time. the egyptian public opinion is very sympathetic to palestinians in general. and even if they have soured on hamas and the brotherhood, they don't like to see dead palestinian children on their tv screens. and i think the statements coming out of cairo might suggest that they're starting to feel the pinch of public opinion. the regime probably wants to bring this to a close. >> here's the question, i guess the bottom-line question, i know that there's a meeting right now in qatar with the leader of hamas, the political leader. some people say yes, the palestinian authority, the
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political leadership of hamas could work out some sort of cease-fire, but there's no guarantee that the military wing of hamas will actually follow that. what do you think? >> yeah, that's -- you know, that's certainly a consideration. you know, we've seen diverging statements coming from the political wing of hamas versus the military wing inside gaza, and they're the ones obviously on the front lines. they're bearing the brunt of the israeli offensive. along with the civilian population. but obviously, they're feeling the pressure. and in a way, you know, almost counterintuitively, because they're on the front lines and because they're most at risk, they are the least likely to seek a compromise without some sign that their political objectives are being met. and i think for hamas and for the population in gaza and for palestinians in general, the political objective is to open gaza, is to end the blockade.
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we connect gaza with the west bank and the rest of the world because, you know, that is really what is at the heart of this conflict. conflicts don't happen for no reason. they don't happen because there are words in hamas's charter. there is a reason that hamas is launching these rockets. and it has to do with the blockade and with the israeli occupation. and so i think we can't really talk about demilitarizization unless we're also talking about ending the blockade and deoccupation of palestinian land. >> i think a lot of people would like to see that linkage. demil demilitarization and then emerging from what they call the siege, if that could happen, that would be a positive development, i think, all around. khaled elgindy. saeb erakat will join us leader
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cnn's brian todd has our report. >> reporter: september 1997. he was hours, perhaps minutes, away from dying. he had had been walking on the streets of amman, jordan, when two men injected or sprayed him with poison. "i heard a loud noise in me ear that felt like an electric shock." >> reporter: the israeli agents were captured. jordan's king threatened to put them on trial if the israeli government didn't provide an antidote. the white house intervened. president bill clinton trying to keep peace between jordan and israel pressured benjamin netanyahu to provide the antidote. netanyahu widely to have ordered the hit in retaliation relented. he was revived. >> once he survived this attack, this leader who was previously relatively unknown, became very popular. his stature goes straight to the top. he's the living martyr. >> reporter: he's now the leader of the hamas movement.
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he recently spoke to cbs news. >> translator: we are not fanatics. we are not fundamentalists. >> reporter: but one israeli official calls the 58-year-old former teacher the osama bin laden of hamas. analysts say he's an inspirational commander for attacks and a dealmaker, securing status and money for hamas from his home in qatar. >> that is the atm of hamas right now, the qataris provide significant funding to hamas and mishal is the point man for that. >> reporter: in a recent interview with becky anderson, the qatari foreign minister denied that. >> qatar does not support hamas. >> reporter: it's not clear how much power says has over the military wing of hamas which launches attacks on israel. and street cred is an issue for him. he's reportedly been to gaza only once. and the israelis themselves may be trying to undermine his standing within hamas. painting him as an insulated, pampered jihadist.
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>> he's roaming around, five-star hotel suites in the gulf states. having the time of his life while his people, while he's deliberately putting his people as fodder for this horrible terrorist war that they're conducting against us. >> reporter: analysts say he wants to eventually become leader of all the palestinians. but will he? the u.s. has designated him a terrorist. the americans and europeans would have a tough time recognizing his legitimacy. and his survivability is in question. there are a lot of rivalries within hamas. and when i asked if the israelis might target mischal again, an israeli official said, "no comment." brian todd, cnn, washington. >> and once again, i'll speak with the chief negotiator. he had meetings with miscal today presumably on the fate of a cease-fire. much more coming up. also coming up, the ebola
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medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. he's joining us from atlanta. sanjay, you were at that briefing. you heard all about it. give us the headlines. what do we know? >> the cdc is that the situation in west africa is getting worse. it's not getting better. that's obviously not the newspeople wanted to hear. they tried to put a little bit of a time line on things as well, although that's unpredictable. but they say three to six months still, best-case scenario in terms of getting this under control. already, wolf, as you know, it's the longest, most widespread and most people affected outbreak in ebola history. out of all the cases throughout the history of ebola, more than one-third of them have now occurred during this outbreak alone. the cdc is also recommending that nonessential travelers stop their travel to west africa. it was interesting, the reasons why. in part they don't want to expose more people to ebola for obvious reasons. although it's unlikely to be exposed walking around a city or
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doing things a typical traveler may do. but in the situation where you may be injured yourself or need hospitalization, could you be coming in contact, then, with patients who have ebola? that's a possibility. and that was enough of a concern for the cdc to issue that recommendation. again, nonessential travelers no longer go to west africa. they talked about several different things including a question that comes up quite a bit with with regard to vaccines, some sort of treatment for patients with ebola. and dr. freeden who's the head of the cdc says he believes that's still a year away before something like that's approved. it doesn't mean things like that won't get used in an experimental standpoint, but the idea about having a vaccine available for mass vaccinations, that's just not going to be available for at least a year, probably not during this particular outbreak. so there are lots of different considerations. the cdc is sending 50 more personnel at least to try and
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stem the tide. and they reminded people that every outbreak in the past has ultimately been controlled, but this one's been really challenging. >> it certainly has been. what do we know about those two american patients, sanjay? >> well, it's interesting. a few days ago we heard that their conditions had deteriorated a bit. yesterday we got a little bit of good news saying that the conditions may have stabilized, maybe even improved. we're talking about two american health care workers working with a relief organization who both contracted ebola. we also heard that the gentleman there, you're looking at a picture of him, he actually received the blood of a 14-year-old boy who had survived ebola. and the reason that would be done, wolf, is because someone's blood who has survived ebola likely has antibodies, certain cells that can help fight the infection. so whether or not that will work is unclear. and also the woman, we hear, has received some sort of experimental serum, although it's unclear exactly what that is.
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the talks about evacuation are still out there. it is tough to evacuate people in this sort of situation. you need to make sure they were medically stable enough to survive a flight. you'd have to make sure they wouldn't potentially infect other people who are helping transport them. and you also have to make sure they have someplace to go. and those are questions that are still lingering, wolf. >> all right, dr. sanjay gupta reporting for us. and just to repeat, the cdc now recommending stay away from nonessential travel, not just to sierra leone but throughout all of west africa, is that right? >> that's right, sierra leone, guinea and liberia. >> liberia. >> that's right. >> liberia, that's what i thought. sanjay, thanks very, very much. we'll stay on top of this story. very, very worrisome developments. coming up, israel's prime minister, as you know, he has often compared hamas to isis and al qaeda, other terror groups, but does he really want to destroy hamas, or does he want to contain it? we're going to explore that question when we come back.
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daily beast. josh is joining us from washington. you wrote a rather provocative article today with the headline "bibi wants hamas to stay." why would he want hamas, an organization he considers to be like isis, al qaeda, a terrorist organization, why would he want it to stay? >> right. several israeli officials told me and my colleague over the past few days, over the past few weeks, really, that the israeli government knows that if they actually got rid of hamas, totally in gaza, destroyed its leadership, what could come next could be actually much worse. this is the opinion of some senior u.s. officials as well. general michael flynn, the head of the d.e.a., said last weekend that if hamas actually were destroyed in gaza, what could come up behind it would be something like isis, the nefarious group that's even worse than al qaeda in iraq and syria. so the israeli mission is actually modest in its goals. dispute the rhetoric and actually contradicts the rhetoric of some officials including netanyahu. they want to pressure hamas. they want reform, not regime
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change in gaza. they want a hamas that's defanged, demilitarized and is willing to do what the israelis say and that plays by the rules, but that still can govern gaza because they don't want to occupy it themselves again. >> just one tiny correction. you meant d.i.a., the defense intelligence agency. >> exactly. >> michael flynn is the head of the d.i.a., the defense intelligence agency. d.i.a., something very different. you're right, he did say the other day in aspen, colorado, you know what? hamas is bad, but it could be worse. it could be another organization like isis or something along those lines. did you get the sense based on the interviews you did that the israelis feel that maybe hamas can be reformed, maybe it could be brought into the palestinian authority, maybe it can change its position, accept israel's right to exist, renounce terrorism, accept previous agreements with israel? those are the conditions for u.s. talking to hamas. >> right. there's no expectation that hamas is going to change its
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character fundamentally. at the same time, the mission is aimed at proving to hamas that they will achieve none of their objectives by continuing their violence. so it's not as if they think hamas is going to change its stripes. but they want to convince hamas that they have to stop what they're doing and move toward a political role. in other words, they can be an unhelpful part of the palestinian coalition where they have some power. this is all wrapped into the growing septemb ining sentimentd i know you spoke to former israeli president shimon peres recently that this has to end somehow. that the ongoing mission is having diminishing returns. and the israeli government, including benjamin netanyahu, are looking for a path out of this. and what does that path look like? in the last cease-fire which was largely as a tie-in, netanyahu did not achieve his main goal. so he has to find a way to
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declare victory so that the israeli public can feel confident that their sacrifice was worth it. at the same time, he can't go too far. that's a very tricky balance for netanyahu to strike. and he's searching for that right now. some of the concessions that he could make would be to allow a cease-fire to be instituted while the tunnel work completed. that is something that an israeli official told us this morning was under consideration. that's new. that's a concession. so there's all sorts of signs that there's going to have to be some settlement with hamas. israel just wants that settlement to be on its own terms. hamas is not quite ready to agree to that yet. >> all right, josh rogan of the daily beast. josh, thanks very much for joining us. >> you bet. for decades he's been a voice for peace cooperation with israel's neighbors. just ahead, the former president of israel, shimon peres, speaks exclusively to me about the current conflict with hamas, how it should be handled. my interview with shimon peres, that's coming up.
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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ create a better website at squarespace.com start your free trial today. earlier today i sat down for an exclusive interview with earlier today i sat down for an exclusive interview with perez. he has a unique perspective on the current conflict. the 1974 he became israel's minister of defense. in 1948 he became the first prime minister of the national unity government in israel. in 1994 he won the nobel peace prize along with yasser arafat
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and yik sat rabin. 2007 he became the president of israel serving a seven-year term which ended july 24th. this is his first television interview since leaving the israeli presidency. >> when you see the pictures of what's happening in gaza right now, the enormous number of civilians, children, elderly, women, who have been killed over the past -- this is now week four of this war, the criticism of israel is that it's reacted disproportionately. you say? >> well, i don't know in that case what is appropriate. imagine you see a child on your knees on their knees and somebody is shooting at the child and yourself. what is the proportion? to shoot back?
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they put before us an impossible question. we cannot escape it. we wish we could have left to do it. we have nothing against the people. we don't like to see anybody being killed. it's not our purpose. but if they put it in their homes with the children and there they plan the rockets and the different weapons they collected, what can we do? i would like -- >> you know the white house and the state department both have said israel can do more to prevent civilian casualties. >> to the best of my knowledge israel is trying to do so. i spoke with many pilots, many fighters. they're inevitably aware of it. it's a small place, extremely densely populated and they made
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every place a part of the fraud, they planted the mines. they put explosives in houses. if you touch, the house explodes. it's unbelievable. it is sort of a war that you don't give a chance to make it at least a little bit more humane. >> is the criticism here in israel of president obama and secretary kerry and their role in this current crisis justified? >> i know president obama quite well and also i know secretary kerry for many years. the president is a responsible friend of israel. he answers many of the questions particularly in the domain of defense and security. so if he has a remark, he may
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have his remark. but you shall not forget that basically he's a great friend and a good friend and i trust him and i don't mind to hear criticism from a friend. i hope he doesn't mind to hear it, too. friendship is not all the time -- basically i trust him. i think he's an outstanding person. i think he tries to bring an end to all the wars, and kerry is a sworn friend of israel. you know him and i know him for many years. so i believe america is a friend, and i think friendship is more important than gossips. i don't want to go into it. >> do you think the current government in israel led by president netanyahu is still committed to a two-state
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solution, israel and palestine? >> yes. for me, yes. they think that -- what i hear from the prime minister is they think he's not capable to do it. i think we should not find a better man to do so. >> you disagree with president netanyahu on that issue? >> yes. notice prime minister netanyahu recently is beginning to change his mind vis-a-vis israel. i know the man, experienced. people are criticizing also, created a camp of peace among the arabs which never existed. i wish there would be a united focus.
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otherwise they would be united for terror. i wish everything would be gone in an envelope. unfortunately life is more complicated. >> much more of interview with shimon peres coming up later in "the situation room." you'll be anxious to hear what he has to say on several, several very sensitive issues hear in israel. stand by for that. we'll take a quick break. much more coming up after this. driving around all by herself was... you just weren't ready. but she did pass. 'cause she's your baby girl. and now you're proud. a bundle of nerves proud. but proud. get a discount when you add a newly-licensed teen to your liberty mutual insurance policy. call to learn about our whole range of life event discounts. newlywed discount. new college graduate and retiree discounts.
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the conflict between israel and hamas is sparking protests across the u.s. and europe. many fear the anger at the situation will translate into violence against the religious. deborah feyerick reports. >> reporter: from the west coast to the east, anti israel protests are gaining momentum and getting nasty. almost 200 rallies across america since fighting intensified weeks ago between israel and hamas. pro palestinian demonstrators with signs and slogans show images of hitler, the holocaust and apartheid, images some say that confuse historical facts and fans intolerance. >> it is anti-semitism and
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that's what's difference. >> segal heads the center of extremism for the jewish anti defamation league which tracks protests. >> it's not just israel or israeli being compared to hitler and the nazis, it's jews. the focus for many of these people at these rallies is to demonize jews. they don't see the difference. >> reporter: europe has seen a rise in anti-semitic attacks over the last two weeks, most recently a business burned in paris after an anti israel rally. the uk has also reported a spike, more than 100 incidents reported. america is not immune. smaller acts of vandalism directed not towards israeli institutions but towards synagogues like the one in miami sprayed with nazi swastikas, the word jew written in cream cheese on a car. it's spreading on social media sites and online hackers have targeted synagogue websites with
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claims denying the holocaust. ziad ramadan with the group care says it could trigger an anti muslim backlash, like this flier found in a brooklyn neighborhood. >> i think the rhetoric has to be contained to the point of the questioning of human rights and to the question of politics but not anti jewish. >> reporter: no one can say whether the level of anger and violence in europe will spread to the u.s. some americans jews feel the growing anti-semitic hate speech can reach levels not seen in decades. deborah feyerick, cnn, new york. later in the situation room, more my interview with the now president of israel, shimon peres and we discuss a sensitive issue, the rise of jewish extremism, revenge, all sorts of problems going on, tiny element
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but very dangerous in israel as well. you want to hear what the former president of israel has to say about this. that interview coming up later in "the situation room." that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. for our international viewers, amanpour is next. for our viewers in the united states a states, "newsroom" with done states, "newsroom" with done lemon starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com the deadliest ebola outbreak ever. i'll say it again, the deadliest ebola outbreak ever spreading across africa. there are concerns the virus can land on u.s. shores. we're learning a serum has been used on nancy wrightbol, an american humanitarian aid worker struggling for her life. but there was only one dose which meant another american patient infected, dr.
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