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leg, another near the arm. the nypd detective shot three times including in the abdomen. mozir had an additional 20 rounds of ammo in his pockets. >> all the officers were treated and released. m mozdir's life as a fugitive had come to a violent end. deborah feyerick, cnn, new york. >> and, of course, you can watch "the hunt" tonight 9:00 eastern time. that's going to do it for me. thanks for being with me and jake tapper today. now the newsroom continues with poppy harlow. good evening, everyone, you're in the "cnn newsroom," i'm poppy harlow in new york. >> and i'm jim sciutto in
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washington. >> harsh reaction from the united states. nine palestinians were killed. the school was being used as a shelter for nearly 3,000 palestinians in southern gaza. here's part of the reaction just coming out from the state department. quote, the united states is appalled by today's disgraceful shelling outside a unrwa school in rafah. the facilities have been communicated to the israeli defense forces. also said importantly here to point out that israel must do more to meet its own standards and avoid civilian casualties. >> now, the israeli defense forces say they targeted three militants riding on a motorcycle in the vicinity of a school. meanwhile, hamas keeps firing rockets from gaza into israel. the idf says scores of rockets were launched today at israeli
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positions, putting israeli lives at risk there, as well. we're joined now by our own matthew chance, senior international correspondent in jerusalem. so, matthew, you look at the words today from the u.s., appalling, disgraceful, talking about this strike against the u.n. school from the u.n. they call it a moral outrage and a criminal act. it's a pretty remarkable turn from friday when those sorts of words were being used to describe the hamas attack on israeli soldiers, which at the time, they thought led to a capture actually. that soldier was killed. i wonder how israel is dealing with this criticism today. >> well, first of all, jim, they have denied they targeted this shelter in the southern gaza strip saying as you mentioned they were attacking a number of militants that were driving in the vicinity on a motorcycle, they say they killed, they're also saying they launched an investigation into the exact circumstances. but, what israel is trying to do is shift the blame on to the militants themselves, spokesman
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saying, if militants are going to use the vicinity of u.s. schools as war zones, they should be made to take responsibility. that despite the fact that the u.n. has come out and said, look, we told the israeli military no less than 33 times that this was a school that was being used to house thousands of displaced people inside the gaza strip. it's the third attack on a u.n. shelter just like this in under a week. that's why we're getting such harsh criticism from the u.n. and the united states, as well. >> we heard a hamas leader in qatar tell our nic robertson repeatedly in his exclusive interview. we, hamas, are not using palestinian civilians as human shields repeatedly denying that. when you look at the israeli strategy on the ground there. especially following the news late yesterday that he was, indeed killed in the battle and
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not captured. have you seen any change in strategy? or are you expecting any change in strategy there? especially on the ground from idf? >> no. i don't think so. i mean, especially in the light of the information that's come out now that lieutenant goldein was not captured. that could have been a game changer, but he was killed in the initial attack where the other two soldiers were killed, as well, trying to destroy those tunnels in the southern gaza strip. if it had been captured, taken alive, that would've led to a strategic change potentially, of course, in the past, israel's been forced to negotiate very hard, very tough way with captors of israeli soldiers. thinking back in 2011 after spent five years in captivity. they exchanged more than 1,000 palestinian prisoners for him. but the fact that lieutenant goldein has been confirmed as dead, it's made it simpler for
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israel. it can either continue with the military operation in gaza or pull out with the knowledge it hasn't left any of its troops, as it were, behind. >> yeah, absolutely. appreciate the reporting on the ground there for us, matthew chance. we'll get back to you later this evening, thanks so much. israel's military, rather, is saying today at least 80 rockets flew across their border fired from gaza. each time, warning sirens blared to warn people to take cover. >> and those warning sirens went off. >> going to have to -- we're going to have to move, guys. we're going to have to move. we'll stay live with the camera rolling, but the sirens are going off. all right. so right now, the siren's going off here and we need to take cover. going around this way. >> let me be clear, that was not a false alarm. sara sidner and her camera crew
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saw the smoke and damage near to where they were reporting. sara's joining us now live from inside israel, a little further away from where those alarms went off. hopefully a safer distance. sara, how often are you doing that? taking cover, you know, we've heard a lot about the missiles going off every day. some of them go far away from residential areas. how often have they come close to where you are or where other israelis will have to flee from them and take cover? >> today's been a little different than some of the other days. these rockets are spread out throughout southern israel and the alarms and sirens go off. you're not hearing the sound of a screaming siren, you're hearing in hebrew red alert and depends on where you are. we certainly saw the result of where it looked like it may have been a rocket and mortar fall somewhere, as well. and there is a military
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installation in that area. they were quite calm during the first time that we saw a mortar fall. nobody running and scrambling. these are soldiers that are really close to the border. about 100 to 200 meters from gaza. and they have sort of become quite used to this. on the other hand, the residence where we were, very much closer to ashkelon, but closer to the border. they're scared to bring their kids out to play during this four-week period. very hard on the people here. but they also recognize how horrible it's been for the palestinians. this particular mother we spoke to talked a lot about that. how she's a mother and it's also hard for her to see other mothers being killed and their children also being killed on the other side. >> first from all of us here, fantastic reporting on the ground and just seeing that shows our viewers what you guys
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are going through just to get the news out. question on how the state department is responding to t s this -- to this strike that has killed at least nine people right near that school in gaza being used as a u.n. shelter. part of what the state department said in their statement is, quote, israel must do more to meet its own standards and avoid civilian casualties. we have seen john kerry, president obama standing firmly behind israel and benjamin netanyahu in this. and this language, very blunt language coming out from the state department. i'm wondering if you're getting any reaction on the ground to that. >> absolutely. one of the things you hear the israeli military saying in this particular case is that there's some firing by militants in gaza near the school. but also you hear from them they are investigating this particular case. saying they were actually looking to take out three islamic apology had militants on a motorcycle in the vicinity. and they are looking into the consequences of that firing.
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and, of course, we're hearing from the u.n., u.n. and u.s. calling it disgraceful because there were 3,000 people inside of that u.n.-run school, which has been turned into a shelter. many of these people running for their lives also because their homes have been crushed. and there have been air strikes throughout the day. even some this evening we've been hearing about. a house struck also today. israel saying they are trying to avoid civilians, though there have been several schools struck and the schools themselves have been struck. and that has been condemned by the u.n. and u.s. about ten people killed according to the health ministry around that school vicinity, 30 or so people injured. poppy? >> appreciate the live updates from sara sidner, thank you so much, sara. >> increasingly like a daily event seeing so many civilians caught up in that conflict in gaza. another story at home. day three and roughly 500,000
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people in ohio and parts of michigan still p can't drink their water even if they boil it. that only makes the water more dangerous. the city gets its water from lake erie where a toxin has been found growing in algae. it can cause nausea, vomiting, even acute liver failure. and now people are waiting hours in line for clean water as they wait for test results from several different labs to determine when the water crisis will end. >> it is my hope that the governor and his staff, we will sit together and we will work through what needs to be done in terms of bringing this, this horrendous negative experience to a positive end. >> so far, there have been no reports. didn't want anyone yet getting sick from the water. >> a pretty unnerving situation, indeed. coming up here in the newsroom. israel battling hamas. but they are far from the only ones invested in the outcome of
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after one month of renewed fighting between israel and the militant group running gaza, more than 1,800 palestinians are reported killed. most of them civilians, many of them children. 64 troops and 3 civilians have died on their side of the border. the latest conflict is not necessarily a continuation of the long simmering arab/israeli conflict. because this time, it is different. it looks the same. but it is different. i want to bring in peter, also steven cook, a senior fellow for
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middle eastern studies on the council of foreign relations. thank you to both of you for joining us. peter, i want to start with you, one way this is different to some degree is just increasing tensions between the u.s. and israel over how israel has carried out their offensive in gaza. you have an example of that today. language of statement on this strike. the united states is appalled by today's disgraceful shelling. those are very strong words in diplo speak. and similar words, outrageous, et cetera, against hamas for an attack against israeli soldiers. have you seen the disagreement on this. the u.s. still generally supporting. is the space between u.s. and israel greater than it has been in the past? >> no, i don't think so, actually. if you think about the way ronald reagan generally considered a friend of israel responded during the lebanon war. in one remarkable exchange with
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the prime minister. he told him that what israel was doing in lebanon was a holocaust, which he was very taken aback by. so there is actually a long history of american presidents responding strongly when they feel like israel is using excessive force that could damage american interest in the region. but i don't think what we're seeing is any fundamental rupture in the u.s./israel relationship. it's still very strong. it's just that i think that the perception of how far israel needs to go to fight hamas is different in the israeli government than it is in the white house. >> interesting. and a great historical perspective going back to reagan. another difference here is how the various regional players take part. one being israel's neighbor, egypt, traditionally a great supporter of hamas. but that's different now that a general in office, kicked out the muslim brotherhood, islamic group.
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how much is that a difference here? and how much does it affect hamas' position? >> well, just to clarify. egypt has not been a great supporter of hamas, it has been a great supporter of the palestinian cause. the egyptians sought to keep hamas in a box. after mubarak fell, of course, mohammed morsi from the muslim brotherhood which is connected to hamas had a different perspective. and seemed to work well with the international community of the united states, israel in ways to establish a cease-fire in 2012. now wants to dismantle the muslim brotherhood and power in egypt. the egyptians are more closely aligned to the israeli government in its incursion into gaza and its effort to do considerable damage to hamas' military capabilities. >> there's been a lot of reporting about how arab leaders who normally are very loud in their criticism of israel's
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tactics have been more quiet here. and that's certainly relevant. i wonder, peter, if i can ask you, there are a lot of players, and you're seeing more in many of the conflicts, the sunni-shia split. we're seeing it take part in iraq, certainly. the palestinian conflict, we used to view as one thing that everybody watched but was kind of its own little battle going on there. just israel, just the palestinians. but how is this broader conflict playing into this particular one? >> i think the broader divide has made things harder for the palestinians and especially harder for hamas. hamas is, of course, a sunni organization. most palestinians are sunni. but one of the big supporters of hamas was shia/iran. and the relationship with iran although they haven't been totally severed, hamas was not able to support iran's position in syria where the assad
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government is killing so many sunnis. so i think this has been one of the factors that has weakened hamas, which hamas was getting a -- a sunni organization was getting support. and it's harder to do that now in this increasingly religiously polarized arab world. >> also created complicated alliances, too. you have isis, a group against assad. but, of course, the u.s. against isis in iraq. i wonder if we can ask you before we both go, the israeli/palestinian conflict has been difficult enough to solve in simpler times, right? many presidents have tried it through the years, through the decades. in this complicated time with so many competing alliances in the region, does that make this conflict just -- does it make a solution to the conflict too distant to be believable? >> let me add a further complication here. rather than it being a
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reflection of the divide, it is a reflection of the sunni/sunni divide. lining up with the israelis and qatar and turkey lining up with hamas. this creates more and more difficulties within the region. and it's hard to believe all the parties together to put leverage on the two main parties, israel and hamas to get to a cease-fire, no less a peace agreement between the palestinians and israelis broadly speaking. >> for viewers at home. it sounds so complicated. and it sounds a million miles away. it certainly is complicated. but the u.s., they're very close allies involved in all of these conflicts. and as much as we'd like to keep it at arm's length, that by its nature keeps the u.s. involved. two of the best voices on this topic. thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. there is another war that hamas and israel will are waging against each other. it is a fight in the media. images like this are appalling to all of us.
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casualty numbers climb, we are seeing horrific images. including civilians caught in the line of fire. we're also seeing and witnessing a battle to shape public perception. hamas and israel fighting to gain an edge in the court of public opinion. host of cnn's reliable sources is here with us. so glad you could come in. i couldn't think of a better voice on this. you focused in a lot on it today. who is winning the battle of perception? >> feels like there are two different wars. there's a war of weapons, of course, but also this war of words going on. and if you look at polls in the united states, you'll see strong support for israel as there's historically been. polls in other countries, you'll see much less support. so in some cases, depends on where you're watching or reading. on "reliable sources" this morning, i talked to a staff writer of new york magazine, he said something to stop me in my tracks about the difference between what israel might want out of this and what hamas wants. play that clip again. >> i would say that i think
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israel is perfectly happy to lose the media argument as long as they win the military fight. and i think the imbalance in this whole conflict is that hamas sees it exactly the other way. >> i thought that was so striking that he talks about israel -- focused on the media view as hamas would be. and it jives with what we've heard some conservative commentators say is that there is an element to hamas wanting to show off these dead civilians. >> and there have been critics, all of us in this, journalists, face criticism from both sides, frankly. and frankly, you know you're doing your job right if both sides are criticizing you, right? but if you look at some of the criticism, it is saying, look, you are playing into what hamas wants because you're showing the images. what about the images of the hamas fighters firing the rockets. >> a lot of people out there
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wondering, why don't we see these hamas militants we all hear about who are clearly firing these rockets from somewhere. is it because reporters on the ground face threats, feel intimidated. and the answer was, no, we as cnn reporters have not felt intimidated while reporting from gaza. that's not to say others maybe have. >> and numerous requests with hamas on the ground. >> that's one thing we've got to keep in mind. there's been complaints from people who think the coverage slanted against israel saying you're not asking the tough questions you need to be asking. well, journalists in gaza would love to be interviewing these men if they could. >> right. >> they tend not to be available. they tend to be in hiding. but your point about both sides is very important, i think. journalists have to know the complaints they're getting from their audience, but we can't be crippled by the complaints, either. we have to state uncomfortable truths even though we know parts of the audience are going to be bothered by that. >> absolutely. social media is changing the game. we are seeing things on social
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media we are not showing our viewers on television. how much does that change this time around in terms of the perception wars? >> i don't think it's a sea change, but i do think it's an important slight change. and over time, we'll see more and more of this, there's an alternate way to get information and images. in many cases, it's the images that get people's attention the most. and that's why we hear complaints about the images that are broadcast. >> you'll stay on this, of course, go to cnn.com finish brian's articles and "reliable sources" every sunday morning. it is inevitable the country would play a role in the conflict. the country is home to a very big u.s. military presence. it also has ties to hamas, it is tied to the political leader of hamas. how is this all possible? we'll delve into that straight ahead. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points
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welcome back, i'm jim sciutto in washington. one country is at the center of the talks aimed at stopping the fighting. and that is qatar. and yesterday, meshaal spoke to cnn's nic robertson about the support hamas is getting from qatar. >> how much support do you receive? >> we smuggle some weapons in from abroad. we got some on the open mark. but we have not received weapons from a specific countries. in the past, iran had supplied us with weapons. but today, we build our own weapons in gaza. >> and financial support from qatar? >> we get financial support from arab and muslim peoples, not from individual states. >> and does that go into making weapons?
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>> all the money we receive is directed toward the humanitarian needs of our people, to hospitals, education, the families of those killed and those in prison. and with our money, we rebuild what the israelis have destroyed. but, of course, yes, some of that money goes toward our ability to defend ourselves, which is our right. >> qatar is a key ally for the u.s. hosting a crucial u.s. military base there also gearing up to host soccer's world cup inviting the whole world to visit. at the same time, it hosts hamas and an office, if you can believe it, for the taliban, as well. is qatar an ally or an enemy. i'm joined again by steven cook, bob baer, a former cia operative. steven, you talk about complicated relationships, this is one of them. we got a base there, but they have an office for the taliban.
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the u.s. sworn enemy in afghanistan. they are supporting, rebels, for instance, in syria. we consider jihadis tied to al qaeda. training some syrian rebels at a base in qatar. where do you put this on the scale of friend and enemy or adversary, i should say, for the u.s.? >> well, i wouldn't put it in the category of adversary. i would certainly continue to consider qatar as friend to the united states. although it might seem strange they host a hamas leader and have an office for the taliban. this can be useful for the united states. can communicate with the taliban or the qataris. the main goal in conducting their foreign policy is making sure they're not dominated by their neighbors, especially saudi arabia. they want an independent foreign policy, and they've used their vast wealth in natural resources
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in order to establish an influential role in the region. and these, what you describe is clearly their success in carving out despite the small population a rather influential role despite themselves. >> no permanent friends, just permanent interests. i wonder, what's in this for qatar in hosting hamas. not just hamas, there's a taliban office. even the network in arabic that gets some criticism of the region sometimes for -- it's perceived having sympathy for some of these causes. what does qatar get beyond what steven is talking about, which is influence. it does not want to be dominated by its neighbors and its own adversaries in the region. >> well, steven hit the nail on the head, it's saudi arabia. it's a country of 250,000 people. they don't have an army to speak of, they don't have an intelligence service to speak of. but they've got an enormous amount of money from the north
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field. and so they're doing is fending off saudi arabia by supporting saudi arabia's enemies, among them the muslim brotherhood which is essentially hamas. they support the chechans, as well. when the fbi sent a team to arrest him, they speared him out of the country. they write checks to the libyan muslim brotherhood, they're paying for isis, they pay for all sorts of radical sunni/islamic groups across the middle east. and they think they're immune from this. so far, they have been. and the united states is certainly not held them accountable. >> steven, i wonder before we let -- before we let you both go, you know, we've talked a bit in this segment and the previous segment about how hamas has lost
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some allies, even in the arab world. some leaders, egypt not speaking out for them even speaking against them. how does this affect this current conflict between israel and gaza. our viewers have been seeing on the air for the last two, three weeks. if it undermines hamas' power, does that mean bringing a quicker end to this conflict because they're in a weaker bargaining position. or do they stick with it and the killing goes on? >> no, i think that hamas feels comfortable with the support it's getting from qataris and turks. and i think it has proven they have significant amount of staying power against israeli fire power. i think this will continue for quite some time. we won't get an end to this fighting until they believe their military and political objectives have been achieved. and you talk about outside powers, whether it's the egyptians or the qataris or the saudis, they also have political objectives and they're all working in ways that essentially prolong the conflict.
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>> you just have to shake your head because even if a cease-fire happens in gaza, you have the fighting in syria, you have the war going on in iraq. there was some blowing up of e the -- at the border between lebanon and syria today. it's a messy situation. thank you, steven and bob baer for helping us try to make some sense of it. at its heart, the fight between israel and hamas is a religious war. one that has forced believers in many nations to pick sides. ahead, we're going to ask three religious leaders for their thoughts on this conflict and religion's role in the war.
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fixodent. and forget it. rockets and bombs are not the only factors fueling the crisis between israel and gaza. there is religion and that is key. vastly different beliefs pose a unique challenge in this region and it has for decades. our guests hope that religion will ultimately in some way lead to -- they have been working to improve relations between jews and muslims in communities frankly here at home. let me start with you, father beck, we were just speaking in the commercial break. and you said one of the questions that have come to you in the last few weeks are where are the christians in all of this? you have christians in jerusalem. >> you know, it's interesting,
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if you visit the region, as i have, bethlehem, that whole area in the west bank used to be 70% christian. it is now 3% christian. you see the palestinian christians have been pushed out of that area, as well. so this fighting isn't just -- unfortunately, it's three religions that wind up fighting. and they have different concerns, but i think they can't get lost in it. when you have a people that is oppressed in any way or fearful in any way, often they are going to respond violently. if you take away the oppression and the fear, then, perhaps, you take away the violence. and i think that's what we're missing in this. how do we do that as a community of faith? >> and to you, rabbi, we were speaking at length earlier today. and you were telling me about feeling a bit torn. the fact that you support israel, you support defending itself. at the same time, you have seen over history that violence does not accomplish the ends that are necessary. >> yeah, 100%, i feel a great
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sense of fear for what it is that is happening there. and on the other hand, i also know that violence does no result in any kind of ever lasting reconciliation. so somehow i'm hoping that we can get past this military part that we're going to be able to hold each other's fears both for ourselves and for others and to be able to find a way to find those who actually want to talk about peace to sit down. >> let's hope there is a diplomatic solution. you were saying earlier there's an ethical issue. but to you, jim, in d.c. >> yeah, i'm sure you wish we could have voices like this standing in between the two warring parties right now just to bring some peace to the conflict. i'd address the question to both. both the islamic faith and the jewish faith preach compassion for the people in the faith but also people from outside the faith. and i bet jews and muslims
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across the region many times and i sense that compassion. this conflict strains that compassion. and i wonder when you're speaking to your congregants and try to get them to separate from the strong and angry emotions from this battle. how do you bring them back to the compassion at the core to see the other side? and dump some of the anger for some understanding? >> i think it's important to understand that mercy is one of the principal attributes, and that is to be demonstrated in the human being's life, as well. however, it's important to realize that justice is also a very important concept in islam that justice must be rendered to all people equally. so therefore, in islam, it is acceptable for people to defend themselves when an injustice is actually being administered to them. however, justice must be administered with mercy.
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justice must be administered with compassion, and justice must be administered with a certain degree of equity. what we find existing in the situation in palestine and in israel is that there is an injustice that is being administered. and i think it's important for all the religions that are affected by this conflict to bring themselves back to the scriptural understanding of how conflict is to be resolved within each one of these scriptures. what is missing in the narrative is the sincere scriptural understanding of how people resolve differences. too much of what was being discussed is political in nature and not necessarily scriptural in nature. >> that's an interesting point. by the way, to our viewers, we'll have our panel stick around, a lot more to talk about on this. but to you, father beck, one of the principal pillars of kr-- p
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pillars, turn the other cheek. israel is saying we will defend ourselves. where do you fall in that? you know, how do you do that in a realistic way? >> christianity is unique in that perspective. love of god and love of neighbor is common to all of us. but in the new testament, jesus says love your enemies. he takes it further, which i don't think is found in the koran or hebrew scriptures. it means you have to believe that a nonviolent resistance, think of dr. king, ghandi not christian but used it anyway that it actually can transform hearts. it can actually hurt. that violence only begets violence. so if you love your enemies, if you believe there's something good in them that perspective can actually transform their hearts and their actions. and christianity really holds that to be a tenant that is important to be played out. >> all right. we appreciate the insight. don't go anywhere. you're going to stick with us for the next block.
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an attack that was sheltering 3,000 people in southern gaza. it happened right next to the school. it killed nine people, according to the palestinian health ministry. joining me is iman deep shariff. father edward beck. jim, i know you had a question. >> thank you. we were speaking about what a fascinating discussion this is. >> yeah. >> at the root of this discussion is religion is throughout it all. you had an interesting comment before saying how islam, it's a peaceful religion a religion about justice and that call for justice is often used as a justification for resistance. now, both sides of this conflict cite religion as justifying the cause. do you believe that that religious call for justice in
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islam is taking advantage of, twisted perhaps, by some on the side to use its a justification for violence that is not justified, if you know what i mean? and i might pop you a few think that's a relevant question for the rabbi as well. >> i'm not sure whether it's put to the side and maybe meigs interpreted. it may be misapplied. the koran, which is the basis for defining not only how peace is established but also how conflict is to be dealt with, the koran lays a criteria for engagement with respect to how one defends their right to exist and to defend the lines in which the families and community exists. there is a rule of engagement that the koran as well as the tradition of mohammed the prophet said there is no such thing as an eupin discripple gn
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use of property. there should be a direct result targeted towards the aggression that is being made. so what i see as happening is the in discripple gnat use of representry is opposed as defined by the koran and the torah. it is important to note that the atrocities being perpetuated by the israeli army is not just to attack hamas. i believe that there is also an intent to break the will of the people. it's not just to attack hamas. it is to break the will of the people to resist the owe that has taken place in palestine. >> in your reaction to that interestingly on both sides we have seen the civilians gaining in their support of the cause both on the israeli side and their support of hamas and gaza despite the increasing death toll. >> imam and i have been dear
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friends for six years and helped to officiate my baby daughter's baby naming. this discussion is to say that it is a torah of peace. the old testament is one of peace. but also defending ourselves, taking care of ourselves. i don't think for a moment from my point of view that israelis are going in to break the will of the people. they're going in because rockets are coming from in defensible place like schools, hospitals. it's a shame. it breaks every religious bone in my body. >> i want to read a tweet that both jim and i just got in the last segment. it said it is all about religion, fighting over myths and ledge ends. stop the hate. to you, father beck, i hear from people often that religion is causing all of this. then they turn away from religion. do you fear that increasingly happens at times like this? >> it can.
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religion perpetrated bad things. but it has perpetrated much better things, i think. one day i was in a palestinian refugee camp. i thought, gee, look what's happening to these people. then i came from the palestinian refugee camp and i was waiting for a bus to go home. the bus in front of me was blown up by a suicide bomber. i was with the the israelis saying this is what they daily with every day. unless you're in the mix and know what it's like, it's easy to sit on a panel and talk about it. but when you're there, it looks very different. >> we appreciate all your expertise. thank you for coming in on this sunday evening. >> thank you for having us. ♪ young, like a new moon rising ♪ ♪ fierce, through the rain and lightning ♪ ♪ wandering out into this great unknown ♪ ♪ and when it's done, believe that i ♪
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