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but there is no way to question the investment by the u.s. in afghanistan. it is an investment in peace in this part of the world and well-being of our people, which afghan people are appreciative. >> dr. abdullah abdullah, thank you for joining us. good luck to you. good luck to all of the people of aftghanistanafghanistan. >> you're welcome, wolf. thank you. coming up, the latest on the cease-fire between israel and hamas. the war of word is raging on. plus, live to the hospital where two american ebola patients are being treated. first cases ever in the united states. our own dr. sanjay gupta standing by live. the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax.
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document to the intercept was obviously somebody inside the government who had access to computers that only, the only a few people would have access to. >> given the uproar after the edward snowden leaks, how could this happen again? i thought they were tightening up security. >> they were. they can track who has access to the computer and who accessed what on the computer systems. but whoever did this was able to escape those new restrictions. . >> thank you very much. now to the conflict in the middle east. so part cease-fire between israel and hamas set to last for three days, so far that cease-fire is holding. israel says all of the troops are outside of gaza and they are ready to talks in cairo. the israeli delegation arrived in cairo. cnn's martin savidge is standing
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by. the cease-fire seems to be holding, jake. what are you seeing in israel, what are you seeing on the ground? >> this cautious optimism that this will hold. the leaders that came together in egypt will actually work to make this extended beyond the 72 hours, just in the last few minutes we heard that israeli delegation touched down in cairo to meet with the intermediaries from the egyptian government and other palestinian factions as well as hamas, the group that u.s. and israel label as terrorists. which was elected to govern the gaza strip. and try to come up with plans beyond the 72-hour period of one of the initial goals of course, is to try to extend the 72-hour period because nobody thinks that any sort of peace discussions or talks will be quickly resolved.
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wolf. >> stand by. i want to go to martin in gaza. martin, you had a chance to walk around gaza today. what did you see? >> gaza city, wolf, add totally different feel today. like everyone woke up and said, this cease-fire, the ninth one by my count, was going to work. a lot of people on the streets. a lot of stores open. and the stores seem to have a lot of product to sell. a lot of trucks on the street tl delivering things like flour, fuel, goods being used. i think there was a sense that many people felt, let's go home. people began leaving u.n. shelters and schools. although, it is said it is not clear where they are going to go. there are 10,000 homes and schools severely damaged. then you go to israel and you find the devastation is remarkable. it looked like an earthquake or natural disaster. but of course, it is man-made. the result of conflict, weeks of
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it. united nations saying rebuilding could cost 4 to 6 billion and take over a decade. wolf? >> martin savidge in gaza. jake tapper in jerusalem. thanks very much. in the middle east, radical factions and entrenched views. a hatred making for a struggle making long-term peace very difficult to achieve. there are shocking comments made to a palestinian tv channel about the jewish people. listen to some of that heat of exchange here in the situation room. >> you believe that jews would kill christians to mix their blood, to make the holy matzahs on passover? is that your belief? >> wolf, let me answer that, freely. don't cut me, because it is very, very, very important to be clarified. first, i was asked about the statement published by the deputy speaker, the israeli parliament.
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who published a plan to have a complete -- a complete destruction of the palestinians in gaza. and in this plan, he suggested to put all of the palestinians in a concentration camp. he is talking about genocide. >> do you believe that jews used to slaughter christians, mix the blood to bake the matzahs. >> they cut the word. not you. they cut the facts and start this propaganda to say they are innocent. they want to cover the genocide, which is happening in gaza now. >> we pressed this on hamdan to answer the question. he never really did answer the question. instead, as you heard, tried to deflect the question by bringing up the statement by deputy speaker of the israeli and reaching out to us asking us to respond, joining us from
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jerusalem, thank you very much for joining us. he said you support the genocide of the palestinian people. we checked the open letter you published on august 1st. you don't call for genocide. but you do call for removal of all palestinians from gaza. 1.7, 1.8 million palestinians. you want to put them in tent encampments in sinai. is that right? >> first of all, let me talk about what he said. i think that talking about concentration camps is exactly like talking about mixing christian blood. the same logic. the same basic anti-semitism and it's ridiculous. what i was talking about is that israel has to win this war. and not only for israel. israel has to win this war against the extreme islamic terror, not only for ourselves but for the entire world. and in order to do so, in the most u main way, i said that we
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should give the arabs in these territories, where they launch the rockets and dig tunnels and fighting, using fighting against us. using their own children as a human shield, we should give these civilians eight hours to move to a shelter place. that's what i was talking about. >> let me be precise, because it did arouse an enormous amount of concern, this letter. do you want to kick all of the palestinians out of gaza and move them to what you call tent encampments in sinai? >> i want it give the arabs in the gaza strip throw very simple choices. those fighting against us should be killed. should be dead. those who launch these rockets from kindergartenens and so on should be shot. very simple. those who want to leave, and
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according to their survey, more than 80% of them, wishes to leave, should get from us and from the entire world all of the help and support to find the future and better place. those who want to stay can stay. this is exactly what i wrote and this is exactly what i mean. the problem is, what really bothers the hamas spokesman who very much care about the human life, what he really worries about, this is a plan to win. and israel has to win this war. >> hold on a second, hold on a second, mr. feiglin, hold on. i want to be precise. i got the letter you published on august 1st, president benjamin netanyahu. you say the formally populated areas will be shelled in gaza with maximum firepower. entire civilian and military infrastructure will be destroyed entirely. then you say, those who insist
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on staying will be required to publicly sign a declaration of loyalty to israel. but get getting back to the original proposal, you say they all have to leave and go to tent encampments in sinai. are you standing by that? >> no, i did not say in sinai. you know something, wolf, i think the germans or chinese would have loved to get such an offer before they were bombed by the british and by the americans. i'm talking about about the most humane way to win this war. and because we did not win this war and because we shook the hands of the evil people 20 years ago in oslo, you got -- september 11th-in new york -- you should realize -- >> hold on, hold on, mr. feiglin. >> let me finish my sentence. you should realize what kind of
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war we are dealing with. >> i understand the nature of war. but let me read the sentence you wrote and tell me if this is accurate. are those your words? >> definitely. we should understand, wolf, this is a war between evil and good. between light and darkness. and this darkness, if you don't want it in washington, should be a win. and the only way to flourish the gaza strip is to do exactly what we did in jaffa 19 years before. there will be only peace in the
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region and under the full of israel, we should understand that after 20 years of trying to give these terrorists any kind of sovereignty in the land of israel. and this plan, i'm saying again, is the most humane plan and the only plan that will bring peace and will flourish the region. when you give these people money, billions and billions of dollars, they don't build homes. they don't build kindergartens, they don't build economy, all they do is bring more bloodshed to the region. this is the plan it win the war with the less casualties there can be from both sides. and once and for all, bring peace to the region. >> the deputy speaker, mr. feiglin, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you.
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>> we're following some disturbing new developments in eastern ukraine whereat least two loud explosions have been heard near a major city center as jets fly overhead. let's go to nick payton walsh. what's the latest, what are you seeing and hearing, nick? >> wolf, you joined me in a very tense moment. the last few hours progressed, we heard two loud explosions a few hours ago in the distance, but in the last hour or so, intense, pretty sustained gunfire in the city center itself. there seems to be militant on the street around here. obviously edgy. firing at something. doesn't appear to be an exchange of fire. but certainly a sign of greater teng in the city center. and that marries with what we know is happening way in the distance behind me, which is the ukrainian military move need a southwestern edge of the city to deaden those clashes and they are moving on a main road toward
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city center. very tense time here in the city. wolf? >> are you okay over there? how secure do you feel? >> we're fine at this particular point where we are now. the gunfire is intermitt ant. but it all feeds into a broader picture of heightened tension here. as we know, the russian military almost doubled the number of troops it has on the border in just the last week. >> russian troops, seen here, in airborne exercises, flexing moscow's muscles last week near the ukrainian border now at 20,000 set one nato official up by a thousand. special forces, anti-aircraft, armor, logistics, a lot that could seriously interfere in eastern ukraine. definitely quiet in central, but on the skyline visible, smoke, local resident and local officials saying there's been fighting out in one of the
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southwestern edges of this city street level gunfire fears that the ukrainian military advance to city center has been done. no the ukrainian army moving fast. but inside the city on monday, great disquiet reigned. shelling put some underground into cellars, half-built basements in this government building. where dozens of women and children eek out a life sleeping on mattresses they carried down here. twins who find the nightly explosions scary, loud. and in this dim labyrinth, they believe the separatists when they tell them the ukrainian army are american-backed fascists intent on bombing russians here. >> they crush us, the damn americans, they says, what are they doing? where there is world in the war they have a part. look, these little ones here.
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they say they can't afford to leave. have nowhere to go. all the women of the world, she says, raise your voice against these murderers. streets torn up. ukraine's army have used a lot of artillery in their fast advance and as she returns to her home for first time, it's unclear who fired the shells here that shattered her windows. "if i'd been asheep here, i would have died" she said. she was staying at her daughter's when the shells hit. here, where shells landed, two people were killed. quiet, intimate lives flattened into blank faces of loss. they buried their loved ones. this sense of the violence entering ra final phase buys no comfort when tragedy has already come and is permanent.
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wolf, you have to forgive me whispering, but of course it's so quiet in this city you can hear some of the militants shout in neighboring streets. rising tension. the ukrainian military closer and closer. you can just hear small arms fire over there. the militants are clearly on their back foot. does moscow intervene are are they going to face the ukrainian military on their own. bofl? >> be careful over there, nic. we hear the gunshots right behind you. just ahead, we're going live to the hospital where a second ebola patient has arrived from africa and is now being treated. "hashtag love dad" when you think aarp, then you don't know "aarp". our aarp tek program helps people find better ways to better connect with each other. find more real possibilities at aarp.org/possibilities
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