closed off to most for so long, sleeping, a 50-year nightmare for many of its citizens finally maybe waking up. to what? time will tell. good evening, everyone. this is "cnn tonight." i'm alisyn camerota in new york. tonight the changing face of terror. from teenagers to grandmothers, more women are being recruited by terrorists. we'll tell you how some popular websites that your teenaged daughters may well already visit are luring them to hook up with terrorists. >> thanks, alisyn. progress in this region is measured in very small steps. so it's encouraging that the skies are quiet tonight over jerusalem and israel and gaza. and there may be progress in cairo.

>> i have no sympathy for hamas. i have great sympathy for ordinary people who are struggling within gaza. >> the price of even this temporary peace has been very high for the people of gaza. and in a region where everything is politicized, both sides are battling over the body count. we'll ask the experts what is the real toll. plus, jake, it's a bird, it's a plane? no. it's a drone. and it may be hovering out your window. one senator says it's time to regulate these things. we'll tell you his plan. and caught on camera. a ruthless shooting. but it's the bystanders' reactions that you have to see to believe. we begin tonight with the very latest from the middle east. let's go back to jake tapper in jerusalem. jake? >> thanks, allison. joining me now is a labor party

member of the knesset. we're going to talk to him about what is going on right now. thank you so much for being here, mr. margoli. right now the clock is ticking. 32 hours from now this 72-hour ceasefire expires. we heard from the israeli government they want the ceasefire to be extended. we heard from the palestinian authority they want the ceasefire to be extended. egypt wants it extended. the united states wants it extended. but i'm hearing that behind closed doors in cairo, hamas is balking. it's unclear whether they really want to start firing rockets once again come 8:01 on friday morning, or whether this is just a bargaining technique. what are you hearing? >> i think hamas has been not only difficult in firing, but also very difficult in handling the ceasefire situation. israel is very committed to the ceasefire. it's hoping that this could be reciprocated. and it wants to move the process

from a battle in the field, which we're committed to having if that's what is necessary to something that is going to be a lot more a process of trying to calm the region down. >> let me hand this to you for one second. your microphone fell off. i want to make sure that it's working as well as possible here. so the other question i have for you is you're a member of the labor party. that is obviously the opposition party to benjamin netanyahu's party. now, there is widespread support for retaliation against hamas for its rockets. do you look at the military campaign and not have any issues whatsoever with how it was conducted, with whether or not the use of force, as some critics have said, was disproportiona disproportionate? >> the consensus that was built in israel was not built out of thin air. israel agreed to two ceasefire. israel tried to bring the

situation to a halt. when the second ceasefire was met with, you know, people coming, hamas people coming through tunnels into one of the kibbutz, and the threat was very eminent, israel had to respond. and the strategic threat, the way that this was -- that came to israel, all of us felt like terror was something that needed to be addressed. and now the situation is such that what we want to do is we want to take the egypt, the palestinian authority, the moderate arab states that are standing behind egypt and see whether together with the military strength that you obviously need when in gaza, they're building tunnels right into israel to see whether in negotiation means we could bring the situation to a different phase. >> i get all that and i don't think anybody would begrudge the desire by the israeli government and the israel defense sources to get rid of the tunnels. but with all due respect, you

didn't really quite answer my question. do you not look at the use of force in gaza, 1800 people killed, the israeli defense force says maybe 900 of them were militants. that means 900 were innocent civilians. hundreds of them were children. do you not look at that and think maybe it wasn't as accurate as it could have been? maybe it was -- maybe the use of force was disproportionate? do you have no compunctions whatsoever about it? >> well, in war, when civilians are being killed, it's so painful. and of course you ask yourself whether precisions could have been greater, whether the surgical strike could have been more accurate. but, you know, when you have a situation, i come from the gillani brigade, special forces of gillani before i came into politics. when you ask yourself when so many of the fires coming out of homes, when so many of the tunnels are coming out of the home and into the direction of israel, you ask yourself what it

is that you could have done better. probably things could have been done a little better here and there. but, you know, this is war. and once mcnamara said the fog of war, when things are very heat, when people are coming at you with more rockets or with more fire and more fire, obviously you do what you can to defend yourself. sand every one of the israelis did not get into gaza because of hate, did not get into gaza because one of the soldiers wanted to revenge. they came into gaza because they wanted and we wanted to give a normal creative life to the citizens. >> i'm not so sure if general mcnamara is who i would be quoting at a time like this. but in any case, i want to ask about your specific background, your approach. you're a businessman in addition to being a politician. you say that you want a new approach to gaza. what are you talking about? what do you want to do? what do you want to provide for the people of gaza? >> i think the negotiations that are going on right now, the fact that israel has allies in

jordan, in egypt, in the palestinian authority is something that we want to bring to the table, to the process. and i can remember in the west bank when there were suicide bombers when it was very difficult. and here what we have in ramallah, we had the approach of having international companies come in between israel and the west bank. we have cisco. we have intel. we have all kinds of technology initiatives that are going on. in the south we have one of the biggest cybersecurity parks that is being built, creating a shield for the world so to speak, a virtual shield with american companies, with international companies. so what we're saying, maybe the political negotiations could be coupled with business approaches and negotiations as well like an industrial zone between israel and gaza that was dismantled by the hamas. maybe now the world can give this a guarantee. maybe hospitals, maybe schools. >> right.

>> maybe water desalination, things that could be a win-win that could be brought into the process just like we did this south, just like we did in the north of israel. just like we did with the west bank when things were looking very difficult to add that to the political process because the startup nation mentality could be brought to some of the negotiations. >> from your lips. mr. margoli, thank you so much. we appreciate it. as with anything this conflict, even the official body counts come down to whose side you're on. who you're supporting. the palestinians say 1865 of their people have been killed in this conflict. that of course includes militants. the united nations, human rights groups, and the israelis, they all use different numbers. >> so, jake, how do we know the real number of civilian casualties? let's ask. the office of the u.n. high commissioner for human rights. thanks for joining us.

can you hear me? >> yes. >> okay. as you know, there are big discrepancies in terms of different agencies saying that there are different numbers of civilian casualties. let me give you an example of what i'm talking about. i'll put a graphic up on the screen for you. there are 1800 roughly palestinians who have been killed in the past month. there is a group called the almazon center for human rights. it's a gaza group. they say 82% of those casualties were palestinians. then there is the palestinian center for human right, also based in gaza. they say 84% of those killed were civilians. the united nations say that 72% of those killed were civilians. and israel says roughly 50% of those killed during this conflict have been civilians. so why is there so much confusion? >> well, i mean, first i would

say in dealing with an armed conflict with hostilities ongoing, the organizations that are working on the ground have been looking to collect information as it goes on. and that's not a straight forward think. what we said from the u.n. side is the figures that we provide are preliminary figures. now in terms of methodology, when it comes to us, we're compiling this information which is initial information based initially from media reports and then other sources. and then we work together with a number of organizations both palestinian and the israeli as well as our u.n. partners to cross-check and verify reports. and see whether individuals or civilians are combative. that's a process where we tally the numbers from different organizations and look at the information we have. >> yes, and i'm sure it's pains

take. but mr. behnke, let's say you find the body of a 35-year-old man. how do you determine if he was a part of hamas? >> well, as i said, we try to cross-verify between different organizations. that's not only media, but it's human rights organizations that i'm in. we also look at other source. the idea sometimes releases numbers but also foreign groups will claim that their members have been killed and the martyrs will announce that and so on. it's a process that goes all on all the time. we'll get closer to a more accurate figure if we ought to resume. we could go out and talk to people. gaza is a place where people do know each other. people have knowledge of what the different people are doing and so on. so the figure will get more and more precise as we collect more and more data. >> mr. mathias behnke, thanks

for explaining the process to us. when we come back, we'll have much more on what these casualty figures mean and how they get used as political propaganda for both sides. we'll debate that. also, the women of terror. how extremists are recruiting women from all over the world. and just how dangerous these women might be. and how they're recruiting them. plus, the caught on tape shooting that gets even worse when bystanders callously step over the victim. so factors like diet can negatively impact good bacteria? even if you're healthy and active. phillips digestive health support is a duo-probiotic that helps supplement good bacteria found in two parts of your digestive tract. i'm doubly impressed! phillips' digestive health. a daily probiotic. what does it mean to have an unlimited mileage warranty on a certified pre-owned mercedes-benz?

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yesterday, 408 children had been killed. that's more than the 221 israeli soldiers that have died in military operations over the past eight years. joining me now, peter beinart, cnn political commentator and columnist for the israeli newspaper. and ben shapiro, editor-in-chief of truthrevolt.org. gentlemen, good to see both of you. peter, let me start with you. we're talking about the issue of civilians and civilian deaths in gaza. let's listen again to what president obama said than today. >> no sympathy for hamas. have i great sympathy for ordinary people who are struggling within gaza. >> the president also reiterated the right of israel to defend itself against rocket attacks. what did you make of his comments today? >> he is exactly right. israel does have the right to defend itself. it also needs some better guarantees against hamas rockets. i was in israel with my 6-year-old daughter during the

first week of the war. we were in and out of shelters. it's very frightening. but ordinary palestinians also need some relief from a blockade that has destroyed the gazan economy and actually helped hamas. the blockade has destroyed the independent business class in gaza by making exports virtually impossible. it's made it very difficult for gazan fishermen to go a few miles beyond the coast. beyond being a humanitarian disaster, it actually strengthens hamas by strengthening the climate of despair and hatred on which hamas feeds. >> you know, it's impossible to know the real numbers. we just put up a graphic that shows all the disparities in terms of how many civilians have been killed. the two top numbers there are groups in gaza. they say that 82 to 84% of the casualties have been civilians. the united nations says 72% are civilians. israel says only about 50%. so whose number should we trust? >> i don't think we know the exact number. israel -- >> hold on.

ben, this was for ben. can you hear me, ben? >> oh, sorry. >> i can now. as far as whose numbers we can trust? i can tell you the people we shouldn't trust, the same people who said 2/3 of the people killed in weight-2009 were civilians, which turned out to be false, or the same people who have put out on hamas tv that civilians should stick around in all of the buildings surrounded terrorist entities. those people are probably not the folks we want to trust. >> are you talking about hamas putting out the numbers or these human rights groups in gaza? >> i'm talking about human rights groups in gaza which are working with hamas and palestinian authority sources in order to find those numbers. how do they get those numbers in the first place? you heard the fellow from the u.n. say a while ago they are working with palestinian and israeli sources. the palestinian sources they are working with on the ground in the gaza strip are in large part palestinian authority or islamic jihad who have a great interest in ensuring that the american people and the rest of the world believe that a huge number of civilians have been killed.

its same reason why they're putting civilians in front of rockets on a regular basis. >> peter, if i could jump in, i just wanted to ask, i'm interested in your thoughts on this debate about who is responsible. for the deaths of these innocent palestinians. obviously, israel carrying out the military campaign. some individuals, some critics saying it's disproportionate, not as accurate as it could be. then you do have evidence that hamas, or at least militants in gaza are firing from population centers, firing from adjacent hospitals. do you think that it's fair to blame hamas for the deaths of palestinians in gaza? >> i don't doubt at all that hamas is pursuing a strategy that is likely to increase civilian casualties from operating from urban areas. i think israel is bombing an area which is very, very densely populated with some weapons that are not all precision weapons. so it's inevitable that a lot of

innocent civilians are going to die. regardless of the number, the talmud says whoever destroys a single life, it's as if he destroyed an entire world. what interests me was there a political strategy that could have been pursued against hamas so that this war would not have been possible? what i find most tragic is that when you have peaceful nonviolent resisters in the west bank, they are repeatedly imprisoned by israel. and so palestinians get the message that in fact nonviolence doesn't work. the real way to weaken hamas is to show that people who accept israel's right to exist and pursue their grievances nonviolently. people in villages like belin and navi salah have been doing for a decade now, that they get results. and tragically, this israeli government has not done that. >> ben, do you want to take a crack at this? >> sure. the nonsensicaled where that hamas is firing rockets that somehow they're mad about imprisonments in the west bank

or they would stop firing rockets if israel were to release the prisoners it holds is nonsensical and idiotic. in fact, israel has just done multiprisoner releases with regard and that has not seemed to quell anything with hamas. when israel pulled out in 2005 and that launched the election of hamas and further violence. as opposed to creating a movement against hamas that has not been proved by history in any way, shape or form. peter always finds a way to ensure that israeli policies is responsible when it's hamas doing the firing. >> i'm talking about who protest nonviolently in conjunction with israelis. the irony to me is ben and hamas have an enormous amount in common. hamas doesn't believe that jews should be allowed to live in the state of israel. ben has said palestinians don't have the right to live in the west bank or israel. the true ideological partners

are ben and hamas. >> that is absolutely nonsense. >> hold on, peter. >> equivalent with people who are murdering jews is insanity. it's beyond insults. and if there is anybody who is emboldening hamas to kill more children it is you. they know people like you are going to get on american tv, and talk about how the palestinians are meek victims. and whenever they fire rockets, it can be justified by israeli policy. >> all right. it's impossible to have this conversation obviously without some level of inflammatory rhetoric. but we thank both of you for your perspective on this. ben shapiro, peter beinart. and jake, thanks so much for being there in jerusalem. we'll see you tomorrow afternoon at 4:00 eastern on "the lead." and when we come back -- >> thank you. >> -- we'll talk about the new and surprising face of terror around the world. female announcer: through sunday at sleep train,

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when you hear the word "terrorist," a certain image comes to mind. that image is almost always male there is a new face of terror. young women are being recruited by groups like isis in some creative way, and not just for

martyr.com or marriage. and it might just be working. stephanie elam has more. >> reporter: there is leaning in and then there is arming up. >> the idea that women can be involved in jihad is something that people still don't take as seriously as they should. >> reporter: women around the world are now taking part in jihad. in nigeria, syria, and now in america. the number of women willing to give their lives to terrorist extremists experts say increasing over the last ten years. >> we've seen western women going to jihad in syria for about a year and a half now. >> reporter: why now? experts believe terror group organizers count on women from europe, canada, and the u.s. to get past terrorism intelligence agencies. >> it's western women. they come with their western passports. they're going to fall under a radar screen. majority of the women are going to be there to be traditional wives. >> reporter: but that's not always the case.

take american shannon connelly. the 19-year-old is charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists. she reportedly fell in love with an isis fighter online and allegedly was on her way to join him in syria before officials picked her up in april. >> she was interviewed no fewer than nine times before her arrest by the fbi because she was scoping out a local church. >> reporter: her attorney had no comment. many of these women are radicalized at home, seduced on the internet. how are they appealing to these western women? >> you don't have to convince that many. if somebody spams millions of people, you only need a certain number that are going to respond to that. >> reporter: the scariest of prospects are the lone wolf, people acting on their own, like roshoara in england. she dropped out of school just before graduation and tried to assassinate a member of the british parliament for supporting the iraq war. >> she was not radical. she didn't talk about jihad. she just secretly by herself

downloaded 100 sermons. >> reporter: women, some fairly well-known, are also using twitter to recruit new members from the west. >> like one of the premier female jihadis. she is british. and she is the one that keeps calling to women around the world, especially women in the western countries to come and join the global jihad. they think that they're doing something good for their community or their people. >> reporter: a darker side of the fairer sex now wanted around the world. stephanie elam, cnn, los angeles. >> all right. joining us now to discuss this is rita katz. she was born in iraq, and she spends hours each day monitoring the online chat rooms of islamic terrorists. she is the director of a group called the search for international terrorist entities, or site. reit tax, great to have you here. >> thank you for having me. >> okay. so as we understand it from the piece that we just saw and the research that we have done, groups like isis are recruiting

a new crop of young women to clean and cook and marry and bear children for this next generation of their fighters. that doesn't sound like such a great deal for a western woman. how are they luring them? >> well, the situation is much bigger than that. actually, especially when the war in syria have started. we have noticed a change in the ideology and the propaganda in recruitment of women. we know, i mean, the issue of having women participate in jihad is not new. we've heard about two oppressions executed by women back from the late '70s actually, as early as that. and we have seen suicide operations by women in iraq. even zarqawi's group, abu musab al zarqawi who is currently based on the islamic caliphate, he had used in suicide

operations in jordan in 2005. >> yes. but what is difference now, it's not just for martyrdom, it's for matrimony. >> exactly. what is different now is the cal for women to join the jihad in syria is specifically not for jihad, military jihad, physical jihad, but in order to marry the muslim man that is suitable for her that will be assigned to her in order to raise kids. >> right. >> and to assist the mujahid with whatever he needs. that's what they're calling for. >> let's look at some of these tweets that are being used to lure these women. here is a tweet. this is allege lid from a british woman who says she is married to a syrian fighter. this is online. she says allahu akbar. there is no way to describe the

feeling of sitting with the sisters waiting on news of whose husband has attained martyrdom. so who is susceptible to this type of inducement? >> i mean, you can see on a daily basis hundreds of women communicate with these women. just today we heard the news that in spain two girls were arrested as they were going and trying to cross the border through morocco to go to syria and participate in this jihad. one of them is 16 years old and the other is 19. it goes to the point where this cause is really aimed towards muslim women in the west, women that have been part of our education, women that have been part of our society. as part of the same tweet, somebody asked my sister is only

16. can she come? and the answer was i didn't, everyone is welcome. and it's clear that the -- >> i just want to raise -- you bring up a great point, and i want to make this point before we let you go. the way they're getting to the teenagers is that they're using some websites that are commonplace websites among teenagers like ask fm that even u.s. teenagers frequent sometimes. is that how they're getting at westerners? >> it's much broader than that, because there are propaganda that is being done by jihadi groups today, isis is something that only when you really are exposed to it, you can understand and appreciate what makes people join jihad. what makes men go. i mean, we have thousands of fighters from the western world now in syria and iraq. the amount of propaganda is

unbelievable. but when we're talking about the type of website, we're actually talking not about something that is hard to access. we're talking about the social media. >> right. >> we're talking about -- >> you're right. twitter. >> we're talking about twitter. we're talking about tumblr, blog, we're talking about ask.fm. the reason that these are being used is one of the most important weapons that we have today in this kind of war is the social media that they can use from their smart phones. >> yes, excellent point. >> right. rita. thank you for all this information. i will tweet out some links for people to see so they can educate themselves about this. it's great to have your st. peter tease. thanks so much for coming on. >> my pleasure. thank you very much. >> all right. meanwhile, if you think drones are just flying around war zones, you may not have looked outside lately. we'll tell you what one politician wants to do about the drones at home. but first, here is your 60s

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these days you can buy a

drone at the mall and fly it pretty much anywhere. just today a tourist crashed one into a hot spring at yellowstone national park. cnn's miguel marquez has more. >> reporter: they're not just for the military anymore, where kill organize keeping an eye on one ann's enemy is the goal. as our karl penhaul recently found out, in gaza. >> the drones overhead quite clearly spotting some target. >> reporter: today they come in all shapes, all sizes, and they can go where no flying machine has gone before. >> this is an industry where you waiting to explode. this is an industry waiting to change the way we see our world. >> reporter: parker goykes says he sees a history in flying drones. like many he is frustrated by the government ban of use of them for commercial purposes. the faa right now says no commercial use at all. that right? >> the faa has ruled that these

are unauthorized for commercial use. >> reporter: a budding industry in need of direction, ready to take off in ways you might not imagine. from dream-like weddings to real estate listings creating curb and air appeal. search and rescue companies, private investigators, law enforcement agency, companies of all shapes and sizes. then of course there are the video artists who have found new ways to explore our world. the results breathtaking. even in the news business, drones open a window on the world. the problem is cnn and so many other organizations have now been barred from using drones in their work by the faa. we can use them indoors, places like this. but it's a little tough to cover a news story from a newsroom. but drones present a whole new range of problems as well. several close calls reported

with airliners near airports. >> we saw a drone, a drone aircraft. >> reporter: this one at jfk nearly hit an inbound alitalia flight. it could have been devastating. oh, and those dream-like wedding videos? sometimes they can be a nightmare. privacy concerns, who is watching who, and with what. security concerns from terrorism to crime like when a drone unsuccessfully tried to make a delivery to a maximum security prison in south carolina. >> there is a potential for misuse of any technology. what we are asking for is the opportunity to provide clear guidelines to use these as responsibly as we know how. >> a new industry ready to blast off, so long as the government, the faa doesn't try to shoot it down. miguel marquez, cnn, new york. >> miguel marquez, thanks for showing us all that senator chuck schumer is leading the crackdown on drones. senator schumer, thanks so much for joining us. >> i'm glad to be here. >> okay.

before we get to your plan for drones, can we just talk about the news of the day and the piece process that it is ongoing in cairo. what do you know about whether or not the u.s. has been somehow cut out of this process or sidelined? >> well, i think that we're sort of hovering over it. you know, if the -- at the end of the day hamas is greatly weakened and more moderate palestinians can get involved, i think there is a real chance for a long-term cessation of any hostility, and maybe even better than that. so i hope that's what happens. >> we hoped that that's what happens as well. all right. let's talk about something that you said about the use of drones that are now ubiquitous throughout new york city and the rest of the country. you called it the wild west. why? what is the problem with drones? >> here is what happened.

drones do many good things. they're great for law enforcement. they're used to fight forest fires, see where they are. many other places. was there is some danger too, safety. we don't want a drone flying into the engine of a jetliner and causing mayhem, and privacy. you don't want a drone hovering outside your office window, your living room window or even your bedroom window. a few months ago, the courts threw out any regulations on drones. so we need some regulations. we need to keep drones for their useful purposes, but make sure that they don't interfere with our safety or our privacy. >> and senator, you're not alone in thinking that there need to be some sort of regulations on drones. 35 states have considered some legislation. five states have passed laws that regulate the use of drones. but why not just leave to it the states? why do you need a federal law?

>> well, this is something that really requires federal legislation. first, densely populated areas like new york, you don't want new jersey regulating a new york drone. and there ought to be set rules. this is going to be a new way of doing many different things. and i think even though who are involved would rather have one national rule than a bunch. the faa has always been in charge of our skies. we don't have separate laws to tell airplanes how to fly over new york very illinois versus florida. and it ought to be the same for drones. >> amazon reportedly wants to use drones to deliver your packages and books, et cetera. are you afraid that any sort of federal regulations would get in the way of commerce or somehow for business? >> the federal regulations should be done in a smart way and thread the needle. allowing commerce and the useful uses of drones. but at the same time putting limitations on privacy. for instance, do we want to allow private investigators to use drones and follow any of us

around without our knowledge or permission. so the real privacy issues. but maybe there are some who say we shouldn't have drones. i'm not one of those. i think they serve many useful purposes. and smart regulation can save the baby and throw out the bath water. >> senator, i'm just curious. have you ever flown a drone? >> well, you don't fit in a drone. but have i ever manipulated one? >> yes. have you ever gone to park or something and flown one around? >> no. i've held one, looked at them but never flown one myself. >> they're kind of fun you. should try. >> i bet they are. and that would be allowed under the rules if it's done in a right way. >> got it. senator chuck schumer, thanks for joining us. >> nice to talk to you. bye-bye. up next, a brutal shooting in new york is caught on camera. there were witnesses. why they did nothing. what does it mean to have an unlimited mileage warranty on a certified pre-owned mercedes-benz? what does it mean to drive as far as you want...

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a shocking crime in new york city was caught on camera. but what is really stunning is the reaction of bystanders. cnn's susan candiotti has the story with some very disturbing images. >> reporter: about seven seconds. that's how long it takes to fire several bullets into a man on the floor of a bronx store

before the shooter starts pistol-whipping him. notice the drink in the attacker's left hand? he never spills a drop. just when you hope help is on the way, keep watching as one man walks by, then another. neither of them stopping to help. but wait. here is one more, but he keeps going. finally, this man doesn't even pause. look. >> to look at this is disgusting. what do you think? >> it looks like a callous disregard of human life. the way that the people who were in that area were just walking over the body. four or five people just disregarding that individual as if he were some sort of a dog. >> but hold on. these bystanders aren't strangers. police say they just finished shooting an amateur rap video outside. bullets started flying after the now bleeding man spit in the

gunman's face. psychologist jeff gordonier. >> there is no danger because the man is lying on the ground and the shooter was already gone. and they knew one another. so this makes this much more callous and horrible. >> reporter: it happens more than you might think, like to scene from 2012. bystanders do nothing to help this 86-year-old world war ii vet in detroit who gets carjacked at a gas station. no one lifts a finger. >> i wonder while he was passing me and saw me crawling and knew something was wrong. >> reporter: earlier this year in cincinnati, a crowd stands by as two women are stripped naked and beaten. police say the attackers are getting back at the victims for ironically, not helping them during another incident. >> it's almost that whole idea of every man and in this case every man and woman for themselves.

>> reporter: back in new york in may, it looked like no one would stop to help this man. he is attacked, hurled against a wall and kicked in the head. several people walk by before a woman finally stops. the 68-year-old man died the next day. >> they don't even say oh my god, what is going on. they just walking. >> reporter: the man in this video is still fighting for his life. police looking for the shooter. as for the others -- >> but i just hope for humanity's sake when they see this video that they're in what happened and the callous disregard that now they do feel awful about it. >> reporter: as awful as we feel watching it. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. i want to bring in lou palumbo. he is a retired nassau county police officer and director of elite intelligence and protection. lou, great to see you. so when you watch this video, this surveillance video from the bronx, what is going on there? >> it's the norm.

>> no! that's not the norm. that level of callousness, stepping over the body? >> absolutely. done every day. this is part of their culture. what this is more significant in statement is the fact there is a major disconnect between our culture, say how middle class white people live and people of color in indigent neighborhoods. >> wait a minute. when you say their culture. you mean gang members? right? is that what we're seeing there? gang members? >> not necessarily. this is conjecture. >> wait a minute. this isn't how poor people act. poor people help each other. >> i don't think this has anything to do with your economic background. it has more to do with the cultural issue and the disconnect we have between the inner cities and what happens in mainstream america. that's the civil reality. >> you said this is inner city intergent people. >> absolutely. >> that is not commonplace. >> it certainly is. it is more commonplace than you realize. all of these young men and women that. >> grow up in the same neighborhoods. they know eachor.

they're not going to rat each other out. they don't have relationships with law enforcement. and they are this callous. and adds you can tell from this episode, this individual had a little bit of a personal attachment to it, which is supported by the fact that not only did he shoot him seven times with what appears to be a 45 automatic pistol, but he wasn't content with that. he beat him with the pistol. it lends itself to how personal this really was and people just walking over him. it's just another day in paradise. >> it is possible what we're seeing there is not apathy, but fear? they don't want to show dissension. if that was a gang, they don't want to show dissension from the guy with the gun. >> no it's callous. what you saw there was pure callous. that's what this is about and that's part of the culture. they grow this way. they're in a complete disconnect from mainstream america. i don't want to go on a tangent, but when we talk about regentification of the neighborhoods, we don't regentify them for the minorities that live there. we do it with the expectation that upwardly middle class children are going to come in there and become new residents.

>> i have to disagree with you. i just don't believe this is what you see every day regardless of the neighborhood or regardless of the socio-economic group. that's why this is so shocking is because we've never seen -- well, not never. we haven't in recent memory seen anything this heinous. so it can't be happening every day. >> it's happening every day. perhaps not as frequently in our city as it is in other cities. but i will tell you, when you look at a city like chicago with a gang and a drug problem where you have in excess of 100 shootings over the fourth of july weekend, people are this callous. >> lou, on that note, i'm sorry. we have to leave there it. thanks for your expertise. we'll be right back. so they're not the same, because they're different. woman: jimmy's not my grandson, captain obvious. woman: man: he's my lover. no.

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that's it for us tonight. thank you so much for watching. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. late today the centers for disease control put its emergency operation center on its highest alert since the h1n1 flu alert five years ago as dr. sanjay gupta witnessed firsthand. >> while we were there, the activation level just went up to level 1 just in the last few minutes. what does that mean? >> we'll tell you his answer shortly when sanjay joins us. we begin with urgent efforts in cairo to extend the 72-hour ceasefire between israel and hamas.