that's it for us tonight. thank you so much for watching. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. late today the centers for disease control put its emergency operation center on its highest alert since the h1n1 flu alert five years ago as dr. sanjay gupta witnessed firsthand. >> while we were there, the activation level just went up to level 1 just in the last few minutes. what does that mean? >> we'll tell you his answer shortly when sanjay joins us. we begin with urgent efforts in cairo to extend the 72-hour ceasefire between israel and hamas. the views of each side of the

conflict and president obama's take on it. just a short time ago, president obama wrapped up a press conference. >> we intend to support the process that is taking place in egypt. i think the short-term goal has to be to make sure that rocket launches do not resume. that the work that the israeli government did in closing off these tunnels has been completed, and that we are now in the process of helping to rebuild a gaza that has been really badly damaged. as a consequence of this conflict. >> he had more to say about the long-term about hamas and who he trusts in the palestinian side. joining us now senior white house correspondent jim acosta. so what did the president say on the gaza situation? what is the latest? >> anderson, this is some of the toughest statements to date from the president on the situation in gaza. he really took aim at hamas

saying he had no sympathy for hamas, drawing a line between the militant group and the rest of the palestinian people, saying hamas has been what he called extraordinarily irresponsibly launching rockets from civilian areas at israel, inviting basically what the president was saying these counterattacks from israel. here is more what the president had to say. >> i have no sympathy for hamas. i have great sympathy for ordinary people who are struggling within gaza. and the question then becomes can we find a formula in which israel has greater assurance that gaza will not be a launching pad for further attacks, perhaps more dangerous attacks as technology develops into their country? but at the same time, ordinary palestinians have some prospects for an opening of gaza so that they do not feel walled off and

incapable of pursuing basic prosperity. >> jim, as you noted, twice he used that phrase, "i have no sympathy for hamas." >> he said it twice, anderson. and he also mentioned he has sympathy for all the palestinian civilians who have been killed in this conflict. but i think it's interesting to juxtapose, anderson, what the president said at this press conference about not having sympathy for hamas and the very sharp language that came out of the state department last sunday when the state department issued that statement after that shelling, that israeli shelling of that u.n. site, that u.n. school that happened near the school. but about ten civilians were killed when the state department said that this was appalling, that it was a disgraceful shelling, i think the president coming out and really pointing the finger back at hamas, making sure that the people in israel know who have been pretty concerned about the president's statements and the strained relations between the obama administration and the netanyahu government, that they know that the president sees that israel has a right to defend itself. i thought that was very striking to hear that from the president

tonight. >> jim accost starks appreciate it. israel's prime minister also spoke out today. he declared operations in gaza a success. praised the israeli troops and defended their tactics, laying blame for civilian deaths entirely on hamas. obviously he said that before, showing video of hamas firing rockets. he said this is what the idf was up against. several such videos have now surfaced, including this one of a rocket launch during a france 24 reporter's live shot. take a look. >> okay, are you all right? >> yeah, can you hear me. >> what happened? what happened? >> this was -- this was a rocket. this was a rocket. rockets were just shot right next to where we were standing. >> prime minister benjamin netanyahu seems like these explain a lot to most palestinians and some israelis, though, they simply don't justify israeli tactics. jake tapper joins us now from jerusalem. you watched the prime minister speaking today. what else did he have to say? >> well, the prime minister was making a very aggressive case.

and he was doing so in english, not all that odd for prime minister netanyahu, who spent some of his youth in philadelphia and speaks the language very well. but it is unusual for a press conference to be given in english because of course, this is not the primary tongue here in israel. it's arabic or hebrew mainly. but he was trying to speak to an international audience. he was trying to talk not to the israeli people, many whom speak english, but to americans, to yee europeans, because there has been such criticism of the innocent civilians who were killed in the idf strikes, the prime minister making a case that a lot of casualties were unavoidable because of hamas tactics in saying that israel has a right and indeed an obligation he said to defend itself. take a listen. >> nearly everyone says that they support israel's right to defend itself.

and we appreciate those who say this. but there are those who refuse to recognize or to let israel exercise that right. they would allow hamas to attack with impunity, because they say they're firing from schools or from mosques or from hospitals. and israel should not take action against them. that's obviously a mistake. it's a moral mistake. it's an operational mistake because that would validate and legitimize hamas' use of human shields and hand an enormous victory to terrorists everywhere and a devastating effect to the free societies that are fighting terrorism. >> now, anderson, as you know, it has been very difficult to find palestinian leaders willing to condemn the hamas and islamic jihad tactic of firing of these rockets from population centers. the frequent response is that gaza is very densely populated. and it's very difficult to fire from anywhere else.

i'm not sure that that passes the basic test because there are spaces that are next to schools and hospitals and spaces that are not. but prime minister netanyahu today making a very aggressive case to the rest of the world, to the english speaking world that israel was doing what it needed to do, anderson. >> jake, appreciate the update. we're going to follow how each side is explaining to themselves and the world what has been nearly a month of death and destruction. perspective on the viewpoint from khalid elgindy from the brookings institution. khalid, good to have you on the program again. tough words for hamas from the president today. does that kind of talk, does it make the prospects for peace given negotiations are still going on in cairo more difficult? >> i don't think there is much new there. i think they put together a video montage and have wrapped it up nicely for the international press.

but the messaging is essentially the same as it has been the past 28 days. hamas is entirely to blame. they use human shields. so i'm not sure it will have any impact one way or the other on the political talks happening in cairo. >> you look -- at the video that you talked about, there is this france 24 video. rockets are being fired just a few feet away from houses, from a u.n. facility. how does hamas justify that? do they even acknowledge that they do that? >> i don't think they acknowledge that they do that. i think that -- i actually don't know how they respond to those specific allegations. but i can tell you from my standpoint, i think it's a very disturbing development. any time you see this sort of thing. but i would also kind of caution that we keep this in perspective. this is not the reason why there are 70 to 80% of the casualties

are civilians. it's not because hamas is launching from near schools and hospitals and apartment buildings. those instances in which it does happen, there may or may not be casualties. i haven't seen indications or a connection between those instances and actual casualties. some of the schools for example that were highlighted in previous instances were actually empty and not in use. regardless, it is -- it's an abhorrent tactic if that's what they're doing. but it's not the primary reason that you have such high civilian cash. >> the what do you believe the reason is? >> the reason is what israelis have told us. their military doctrine based on overwhelming disproportionate force. this is not something that they keep a secret. if there is disproportionate damage and harm to civilians, it's because that is the actual military strategy that is being

used. it's designed to be a deterrent that if you overwhelm the civilian population, attack civilian infrastructure, and knowing that you're going to cause massive civilian losses, even if they're not targeting civilians per se, it's clear that they have a very high tolerance for the amount of civilian casualties that they're willing to accept. and in fact it's part of the plan. so this is what israel calls the dahia doctrine. it has used it over and over. it used it in lebanon in 2006. it used it in gaza 2008 and '09 and 2012. >> but you don't really believe that israel is intentionally targeting civilians, do you? >> i'm not saying -- i'm not saying -- i'm not saying that at all. what i'm saying is this notion that they're doing everything they can to avoid civilian casualties, we know is not the case.

you do not kill 1800 civilians because you're doing everything you can to avoid civilian casualties. and because we know that their military doctrine is based on disproportionate force. >> but if they wanted -- if they were intentionally trying to kill civilians, they could kill a lot more civilians. >> sure they could. >> than the number that is involved. you don't believe there is any credence to the idea that look, this is a densely populated area, this is urban combat, which is inherently difficult, and you're eighth fighting, in this case israel is fighting an enemy, you know, which does fire rockets from empty lots that are nearby buildings that has booby-traps in homes. >> okay. all of that may be true. but that still does not justify the killing of 1800 civilians. if the vast majority of the people who are killed, if there are more children killed than actual fighters, then there is a real problem with the way this

war is being conducted. and so the question isn't about israeli right to self-defense. of course israel has a right to self-defense. >> it's a question of proportionality. >> proportionality. and proportionality is in fact a basic tenet of international law. so when you intentionally use disproportionate force you know you are going to cause disproportionate harm. that is i think a violation of international law. but regardless of what i think, i think at the end of the day what is actually needed is an international investigation to look at instances of hamas' using people as human shields, if they're firing and recklessly endangering the lives of palestinian civilians, or whether israel is doing recklessly endangering the lives of civilians. that needs to be determined by an international investigation. and that's the only way that we will prevent these kinds of things from happening in the

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two days into a three-day ceasefire with talks under way in cairo to extend the tourist, what do we know. how are the negotiations going? >> anderson, it has been very difficult to monitor and gauge these talks because these have been indirect negotiations that have been held in secret. but in a nutshell, it looks like at this hour the israelis are pushing to extend the ceasefire beyond 8:00 a.m. friday. however, hamas not on board. they're saying they don't want to extend the ceasefire. they want to talk right away and address some of the major issues. and that's where the two sides seem to be stuck. and when you look at the talks today, you really start to see

the lingering mistrust between the two sides that has fueled this conflict for a very long time. and at this point, it doesn't look like these two sides are on the same page when it comes to this ceasefire and how things should move forward. in talking to a palestinian delegate, he told cnn that he's not convinced that the israeli delegation that is in cairo is authorized to address some of hamas' core demands. those of course include the lifting of the blockade, the opening of some of the border crossings, the release of some of the prisoners. remember, hamas says it stopped fighting and it came here to cairo to address some of these issues. and they're not convinced that the israelis are here to do the same. we should stress that we haven't verified what the israeli team here is authorized to do. we had another statement later on in the day by an egyptian official that raised more question as the egyptian official describing the status of the talks by saying this.

these are an experimental discussion in order to consolidate the ceasefire. now that's a statement that suggests that these two sides are simply talking about the parameters, the frameworks of the current ceasefire, and they're not tackling the big issues. so the good news is that these talks have stopped the fighting. but it's rough going. they seem to be, you know, moving forward very slowly, not making much progress. >> all right. reza, i appreciate the update. i want to dig deep were aaron david miller of the woodrow wilson center who has advised democratic and republican secretaries of state. princeton university's daniel kurtzer who served as u.s. ambassador to israel and egypt as well. daniel, the u.s. special envoy to the talks arrived in cairo today. realistically, what can the u.s. do to hammer out any deal here? especially as you know the israeli and u.s. relations are less than ideal. >> egypt certainly has the lead. and they were successful a couple of weeks ago in getting

israel on board an initial ceasefire. i think what the united states can do in a helpful role is to address some israeli concerns kind of off the table. the israelis don't want the united states in the room. they think that we've tended to be a little bit too balanced in this case. but at the end of the day, the egyptians are going to have a hard time themselves addressing the requirements of the two sides. and i think the united states can play a helpful role particularly with the israeli side in dealing with some of the security issues. >> aaron, in your latest column, you gave a letter grade. you gave the u.s. a c. why? >> if you look at the last four weeks of u.s. diplomacy, and look, as dan knows, getting anything done, anything done in a negotiation even when you don't have a kinetic confrontation going on is excruciatingly painful. you basically had the united states try twice. once by trying to involve the qataris and the turks which is a

bad optic for the egyptians and the israelis. and the second time relying on assurances from hamas' political wing and again the qataris that the military wing that was actually doing the fighting was prepared to accept a 72-hour ceasefire. we're 0 for 2 here. the reality is that the basic impulse is to try to get yourself in the middle of a mix. the problem for kerry was the mix wasn't cooperating. and it really did require the egyptians. tense relations with hamas, closer relations paradoxically with israel to try to at least create a basis on which to stop the fighting. and then to pursue what can get done in cairo. it's going to be very hard to create a durable agreement. >> ambassador, do you believe that the israeli use of force was at all proportionate? >> well, it's hard to argue that it was proportionate given the significant number of sie

significant number of civilian challenges. this is a significant problem when you have asymmetric warfare. hamas did embed itself in a civilian population. they launched rockets from hospital courtyards and schools and so forth. the israeli population, although protected by the iron dome missile system was still disrupted for over a month. a large number of soldiers being mobilized for service. and you do have a regular army fighting against a band of terrorists who have adapted themselves to the tactics that they require. so it's a really significant challenge. and i think this whole issue of proportionality has been blown out of proportion. the fact is that state that has a right to defend itself is going to act to defend itself. and i think the israelis, as we know, and as i believe, have not targeted civilians. one of the unfortunate

consequences here is the large number of casualties and the large amount of destruction in gaza. >> aaron, there is even a conflict between the israelis and palestinian officials over death toll. israel has now said they killed some 900 militants. palestinian death figures some 1800 people say 75% of them at least were civilians. do you have confidence in anybody's numbers? >> you know, the casualties statistics for '08-'09, six years ago, have not been agreed. the israelis claimed roughly 40% of the palestinians killed in that conflict were combatants. palestinian hospitals are not making any distinction between who is an innocent civilian caught up in this and hamas fighter. so no. you're never going to figure this out. and the problem is the pictures, anderson.

and if you wanted to -- you asked me what is motivating the president more than anything else, i'm not sure he is as invested as secretary of state in a durable agreement, let alone a two-state solution. but i really think what drove him were the pictures. and i think the desire to change the channel and to get a stand-down was really critically important for the israelis, for the americans and the egyptians as well. the question is will it hold beyond friday morning. and that's a serious problem right now. >> well, no matter what the actual numbers, and as you said, there is this difference and has been in the conflicts in the past. we certainly saw tremendous amounts of children of people who were not combatants being injured in this, as we do in many conflicts. aaron david miller, ambassador daniel kurtzer, thank you very much. coming up, breaking news. the ebola outbreak in west africa bringing the cdc's emergency operation center to its highest alert level.

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welcome back to breaking news tonight. the cdc's emergency operation center is what it's called its highest activation level. sanjay gupta is going to take us inside the cdc in a moment. but first, the world health organization, w.h.o. and the cdc release new numbers today. more than 900 people are now dead in guinea, liberia, and sierra leone, with over 108 cases over two days. liberia just announced it's declared a state of emergency because of the outbreak. here in the united states, fears of a possible ebola case in new york were put to rest today. that's the good news. a patient in isolation at a manhattan hospital tested negative for the disease. and in atlanta, two americans who contracted ebola in west africa are continuing to get treatment at emory university hospital. the director of the cdc calls it the biggest and most complex ebola outbreak in history, and says it can be stopped, but it's going to take many, many months and will not be easy. sanjay gupta takes us inside the cdc. take a look. >> reporter: this is the cdc's emergency operation center.

think of it as the nerve center in the response to the ebola outbreak. after a few minutes after i walked in, phones started buzzing. >> the level just went up to level 1 just in the last couple of minutes. what does that mean? >> what that means is just more people and more resources dedicated to the response. >> reporter: in that room, you could feel a quiet determination and a sense of urgency. let me give you a little bit of an idea of how this all works. what you're looking at is what the cdc looks at, a map of the world, trying to figure out what infectious diseases are happening and where they're happening. as you might imagine, a lot of focus on ebola right now. they're tracking that as well realtime. they've been doing it since march. take a look in here. this really jumped out. in mid-may, they thought things were basically under control. but then look at what happens at the beginning of june. everything takes off. this is on its way to becoming the worst ebola outbreak in history. >> this is our emergency operation center, or eoc as we

call it. >> reporter: dr. steven monroe is helping lead the cdc's ebola response, not an easy task at all. was there mistakes made? is there a reason why this outbreak is worse than any other outbreak in history? >> the initial event, the lightning strike if you will was right in this corner between three countries in a very remote part of each of those three countries. so it quickly spread across the borders. >> reporter: many more resources are needed, and some of it is on the way. the cdc is sending 50 more people to the region in the next month. dr. meredith dixon just returned from two tours in the remote part of guinea where she was trying to help control the outbreak. >> one day we were removed from that area because there were rumors that a group of young men would be coming to destroy the treatment center because they wanted to destroy ebola. >> reporter: she says that situation never escalated, but it shows the kind of hurdles and confusion the health workers face there. here in the united states, a different sort of confusion. different questions. for example, if ebola is not

airborne, then why were there such extraordinary precautions taken for dr. kent brantly and miss writebol? it turns out it was more an abundance of precaution than a necessity. >> we're pretty confident that any large hospital could handle an ebola case if one were to show up at their doorstep, using traditional isolation rooms with negative pressure room and with traditional droplet and respiratory precautions. >> reporter: and while i suited up in multiple layers when i was in guinea just earlier this year, the cdc says a mask, goggles, face shield, a protective gown, and gloves can provide all the protection you need for most situations. >> sanjay joins me now from atlanta. the new york patient tested negative. that's certainly good news. what is the cdc doing to help hospitals prepare for other cases like this? >> they're doing a lot there is a lot of variation in terms of knowledge and resources and how

people are implementing their concerns about ebola to their patients. that patient at mount sinai, for example, the patient that was traveling through west africa had fever, had abdominal pain. it could be a lot of different things. typically a patient like that wouldn't get tested for ebola. so they're really trying to hone down on who are going to be the highest risk. it has to do with obviously travel to that part of the world. but also, most importantly as we've been talking about, contact with patients who have been sick. if you've been traveling through that part of the world, you have a fever, but you haven't had any contact with patients, you're not going to be considered high riggs. you're not going to get tasted or be isolated or have to take your temperature. it changes. they're drilling down on some of the details with doctors all over the country. >> and this outbreak is proving so hard to contain just because of where it started and the lack of ability to kind of gather everybody who had it in isolation? >> yeah. i think so.

so much of this is done on the ground in these remote villages. you know, you have these workers. cdc, world health organization, doctors without borders, they sometimes literally need to go door to door to find out who are all the contacts of the person who just got sick, maybe the person who just died. because those are the people that you really need to focus on and prevent them from spreading the infection further. here is the problem. many of those people never come in contact with any kind of organized medicine. so they never get counted. first of all, the numbers that we describe could be low as a result. but their contacts cannot be traced as well because they never got into the system. so you -- they're tracing about 8500 contacts right now in that part of the continent. but it's very hard to know if they've got everybody. almost assuredly they don't. >> and there is some very sensitive ethical questions that we're going to turn to. but sanjay, i appreciate the update. it was fascinating to see inside the cdc, especially when their threat level got elevated. the ethical questions about

the -- raised by the ebola outbreak and the use of this serum, this experimental serum that was given to americans afflicted with it who are now back in the united states, they got that experimental drug. sanjay broke the news of the experimental drug a short time ago. president obama was asked whether he is considering sending that drug to africa and the ethics of providing it only to americans. here is what the president said. >> i think we have to let the science guide us. and, you know, i don't think all the information is in on whether this drug is helpful. what we do know is that the ebola virus, both currently and in the past is controllable if you have a strong public health infrastructure in place. and the countries that have been affected are the first to admit that what's happened here is that the public health systems have been overwhelmed. >> laura caplan is a professor,

and a bioethesis. he joins me now. i think a lot of people, when they hear there is this promising experimental treatment for ebola, wonder why more people aren't receiving it. is it just a question of it's not -- a, it's experimental. it can't be scaled up that quickly? >> well, primarily that's the problem. you know, the world supply of that drug i imagine would fit in a teacup. a little company has it. and by the way, it's not the only one. there are a couple of little companies that have drugs that they're just starting up with animal trials too. but anderson, you don't have a lot of drug. and even if this worked and we saw these two people who got it stay healthy and do okay for a couple of months, you would still take time to have to produce it in bulk and get it over there. we're not going to get a quick fix out of the drug, if you will, to the ebola outbreak. >> i mean, hundreds of people have died before these two american missionaries were given

this experimental drug. do you think it was the right thing to give it to the americans? because some have said well, look, why wasn't it used sooner to try to save some other people's lives earlier? >> it's ironic. we don't actually have a national or an international policy about what to do with experimental drugs that are scarce in a crisis. and the road to this drug for these two people went through their own evangelical organization that sent the medical missionaries over there. they called around and tried to find was there anything that could be given. they were sent to the little company. they asked. one way or another, they worked out an arrangement with the little company to get the drug shipped to liberia where it was used. you know, it was kind of -- they were the first people who asked. i don't think it was discriminatory. i don't think it was some kind of bias. i don't think anyone else had done what that organization did. >> and three ebola expert, including one who discovered it issued a statement today calling

for expanded access to the drugs, allowing african governments to make decisions about who gets drugs like that do. >> you agree with that? we have few people who got it, but you want to wait a couple of weeks to make sure they don't have terrible side effects, their livers don't get bad, they don't die all of the sudden of a bad consequence. you want to do a little more study to get the dose right. these people got the dose that monkeys get. we don't know how to give it. the main point is i wouldn't be pushing resources to go to the drug to get it out there because i think that's going to take months. i think we have to double down on prevention, some of the things that sanjay showed us about getting people over there to teach people, don't touch bodies, gown, isolate, don't let people travel. in the short-run, you're going to get a better result by continuing prevention efforts and getting the epidemic under control than trying to put resources all towards these drugs. >> difficult choices always to

make in the situation. art caplan, i appreciate it. thank you very much. coming up, anthony bourdain on the friends he met while filming in iran. friends who are now in jail. question is did his interviewing them play a role. we'll tell you about the 62-year-old woman who waltzed on through without a ticket, wasn't stopped until the flight actually landed. she has tried this numerous times.

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hey, welcome back. for about two weeks now, "washington post" reporter and his wife, also a journalist have, been held in iran on unknown charges. the post foreign editor says the newspaper received reports that the couple were detained. a few days later an official in iran confirmed that the journalists had been arrest and were being held for questioning according to the paper. now the charges are not all that clear at all, and the case is has confounded many, including cnn's anthony bourdain who met the couple this summer who was filming "parts unknown" in iran." anthony, explain for people what happened. you were filming an episode of

"parts unknown" in iran. you interviewed these two people. you said they were great, disneyland is no proof they did anything wrong. >> yeah. i mean, for the life of me, this -- i'm not naive about iran. but i was really surprised by our reception there, which was very positive and extraordinarily friendly. and i met these two wonderful people, jason and they were so positive about their country. i think there was just not a hint of anything that could cause anyone in any government to find fault, one would think. so it is just beyond me what they could possibly have done to bring this on themselves. as far as i'm concerned, they were fantastic ambassadors for a little understood country.

>> and that's the thing. they talked about some of the difficulties of living there. but overall were quite positive of what they said about iran. >> these are two people who are very proud of their iranian heritage, very proud of their country, who if anything did their best to make an american with predictable views of that country understand the context, the history, the bigger picture. i mean, these were two lovely -- i'm not a middle east expert. i'm certainly not an iran expert. i can only say from my heart, i met two wonderful people with very positive attitudes about iran. >> "the new york times" is reporting they were arrest as part of a ploy by hard-liners to embarrass and weaken the more pragmatic iranian president. do you think their speaking with you could have had anything to do or made them more visible

targets? >> i really -- believe me, i've thought about it. understand, we were treated very, very well. first, just walking down the street in tehran was a very surprising situation. everybody was lovely to us. without cameras, with cameras, when people found we were american, everyone was lovely to us. even the people, the representatives we met from the government at the ministry who had to approve our presence there. they were very congenial and very helpful. so there just wasn't -- there wasn't a shadow of that kind of thing that we really felt. i mean, we were aware, but we just didn't feel it at that time. we're -- i -- i thought about this many times since -- since they were taken. i really hope we had nothing to do with it. i can't imagine we did. but i couldn't have imagined that this would have happened

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welcome back. in ukraine, the recovery for the wreckage of flight 17 has come to a temporary stand still because of heavy fighting. officials say the operation will continue, but they frankly don't know when and it's too dangerous right now. our nick patton walsh reported on this program last night while very close to the violence. he joins me again tonight. so nick, last night the fighting was so close to you had to turn on your lights and whisper while we were talking. what is the situation like there now? >> it's much quieter tonight. but earlier on today just as dusk fell heavy artillery to the north and actually behind me a couple of hours after that anti-artillery aircraft fire into the air. so still a tense night here in donetsk. we went out into the city today to see what the night before's violence had been about. large craters caused in the streets close to city center, what looked like to be air strikes. two people killed by shelling. no one quite knows who is behind

it. and the gunfire, we were hearing, well, that seemed to be a fight over a key building here in the city center. no one quite knows which two sides were fighting over that either, anderson. so real tension here in the heart of donetsk. the ukrainian army still moving in fast all around us. and many wondering particularly separatist leader i spoke to here, if russia will intervene, as 20,000 troops across the border, he offered a more staunch defense as to why perhaps the economic costs from sanctions from the west might mean why moscow wouldn't interve intervene. but they need help fast because the army is moving in quickly. >> that's now stopped because of the fighting, right? >> absolutely. the dutch prime minister today echoing what i heard from an official close to the investigation. the violence around that crash site means it's no longer possible. they'll continue tomorrow, perhaps not. even one person at the crash site today said the gunfire that came near the investigation team

was extraordinarily close. they don't know who was shooting. but i think it's really the final straw. they've seen security threats ebb in and out for the past few days. and now i think the dutch are finally saying enough is enough. anderson? >> nick paton walsh, thank you. up next, the case of a 62-year-old stowaway. how she made it through airport security on to the plane and into the air. at humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare changes. when frustration and paperwork decrease. when healthcare becomes simpler. so let's do it. let's simplify healthcare. let's close the gap between people and care. this is the first power plant in the country to combine solar and natural gas at the same location. during the day, we generate as much electricity as we can using solar.

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back from israel. earlier today i went through security al 12 airport. they certainly do not miss much there. in san jose, though, it's a different story. not only did a teenager get on to the tarmac into a 767 wheel well a few months back, we learned today a 62-year-old woman just breezed through security without a ticket and took off. randi kaye reports. >> reporter: she finally did it. after repeatedly failing to stowaway on an airplane from san francisco airport, 62-year-old marilyn hartman pulled it off. it happened monday. this time at san jose international airport where she managed to bypass two levels of security. here is how. hartman reportedly blended in with a family showing their boarding passes to airport security. at the southwest airlines gate, she apparently managed to merge with the family again, slipping right past the gate agent without a boarding pass, or even a reservation. >> that is concerning, because, i mean, that means anyone could just get on a plane and do

whatever, you know, whatever they want to do. >> only after the flight landed in los angeles did the flight crew reportedly realize something was off. they took a head count and hartman's secret was out. los angeles police say further investigation revealed hartman did not have a confirmed reservation, nor did she have any documents showing she had purchased a ticket. lucky for her, the night apparently wasn't full. otherwise she likely would have been bumped before takeoff. she was arrested at l.a.'s airport fortress passing. san jose international airport says public safety was never compromised. >> and that passenger was screened by tsa for any prohibited items. it's really important to point that out. so safety was not compromised in any way. >> reporter: the tsa also told us the rogue passenger was properly screened, adding the agency has initiated minor modifications to the layout of

the document checking area to prevent another incident like this one. this all comes just about four months after another stowaway from the very same airport. remember this? that surveillance video of a 15-year-old somali immigrant who hid in the wheel well of a hawaiian airlines flight leaving san jose back in april. he survived five and a half hours beneath the maui-bound 767 jet. at this point it doesn't appear marilyn hartman was looking to do any harm. she reportedly told authorities after past stowaway attempts that she has cancer and was simply trying to go somewhere warm. true or not, for now this serial stowaway isn't flying anywhere, any time soon. >> and randi kaye joins us now. how many times has she tried this before? >> we called the d.a. today, the district attorney. and he told us she has been charged at least four times with trying to stowaway. now one time, anderson, she did get on the plane before this time. but she had a seat that belonged

to somebody else. so she grabbed that seat. there aren't any assigned seats on southwest. she got the seat. somebody else came on to take the seat and she was able to -- she had to get off the plane. but she is facing six months in jail, a thousand dollars in fines. that does it for us. to our viewers around the world, have a great day. hello, everyone, i'm rosemary church. >> we appreciate you joining us whether you're watching from the u.s. or around the world. coming up for you this hour, no deal yet. israeli/palestinian and egyptian negotiators try and extend a cease-fire. and the u.s. president makes it clear where he stands. >> i have no sympathy for hamas. a growing nightmare. liberia declares a state of emergency. the u.s. centers for disease control goes on its highest alert as ebola death toll nears 1,000. and justice in cambodia. a u.n.-backed court finds