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ferguson. and we want to show you this video, off the top from just a few hours ago. s.w.a.t. team in riot gear with gas masks and armored trucks pointing those military-style weapons and marching slowly toward people gathered in the rain outside the liquor store. the ferguson market here. it's the same store where police are now saying that 18-year-old michael brown is suspected of stealing $50 worth of cigars a short time after he was gunned down by a police officer from the ferguson police department. >> what's interesting, you look at this, stewart was looted. our affiliate kmov reports, they took to the streets. they met about 100 officers. also reportedly, there was one shooting with a victim rushed to the hospital. one officer was hurt by a thrown brick or rock.
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victor, i think what's really interesting here, there were some peaceful protesters here, too. we have to be fair here and say people came to the rescue in some regard, yes? >> yes, and for a lot of people, the looting and what we're seeing overnight is the secondary issue. they're primary issue is to demand answers about why michael brown was shot and kid. our cnn producer steve kastinbaum was behind the camera as his went down. we've got ana cabrera here as well, all week monitoring what's going on. and cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. i want to start with you, steve. you were there, you saw what happened. give us an idea what was going on overnight at that ferguson market. and what's the scene there now. we're hearing from another producer that there is still some sporadic looting happening throughout ferguson. >> there is, victor, in fact, you luke over my shoulder here.
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that is the ferguson market and liquor store all through the evening before the police standoff began. it was surrounded by police officers protecting the store property. protecting private property from people here who wanted to do damage. but once that standoff with police began, the police detail that was protecting that store withdrew. and that's when a few looters broke in. some local community members and protesters decided they didn't like what was going on. they rallied to the front of the store. they created sort of a blockade. they said no, this shouldn't be happening here. they got the looters out. here we are, this morning. several hours later, after the police are out of here for a while. no police presence at all. a handful of protesters left. at will, we're watching people just come and go from that store now. leaving with bags full of alcohol and other goods on the shelves. there's no police presence here at all whatsoever which is really odd because they had been
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devoting a significant amount of manpower to protect this store because it had become a focal point during the demonstration tonight. >> and quite possibly, steve, what we're going to find out is that their primary concern is the safety. and not so much the elements. the property that can be replaced. but let's talk to our law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes. tom, we have been requesting questions from our viewers. if you at home have a question, tweet it to us. hughes the #fergusonqs. we've got one now. here's the question, we know the police have militarized weaponry. what percentage of the force is former military? i know you probably don't know the numbers specifically, but typically, i think the question maybe gets to what is the training that comes with these weapons, with this type of resources? >> well, depends on the
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weaponry, victor. some of these are not weapons, they're just vehicles. so if you have a driver's license and get a little training on how to operate something like a truck or an armored personnel carrier, that's not really a weapon. the other weaponry, police officers get that training anyway. whether it's an m-16, pistols, shotguns, that type of thing. i think a problem in a case like this is, you've had, people complain there was too much police presence, the first couple days, displaying too much military hardware, and it was just such an ominous presence that it helped provoke unrest and violence. now, you have the opposite. you have the police saying, okay, we're going to be much more gentle. we're not going to force the issue. we're not going to display the heavy quilt. and then you start having looting. and the police are in a tough situation. it's their job to allow the
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protesters peaceful ability to protest. and protect them while they protest in case somebody comes to harm them. but they have an obligation to protect people and property of the businesses and the residents of ferguson. and in the long run, to allow looting is to tell business owners you don't want to invest and operate a business in ferguson. because no one will protect you. and in order to have peace in a neighborhood, the police are going to stand by and watch as people come in and destroy your business or possibly harm you physically. so right now, these things are occurring at night. what happens in the daytime when the business owners are there and will have to worry about whether the police will protect them. >> you know, i spoke with the owner of that ferguson market. several hours before the looting began. and he would not even -- the first time he wouldn't confirm that that was the location of the alleged strong-arm robbery. the second time he wouldn't
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confirm who was there in that video. and someone said, it will be okay, it will be okay. he told the person, shhh, you're saying too much. there's a credible fear that something is going to happen there. i want to bring in ana cabrera. you've been here throughout the week. you've heard it, i've heard it, people say the looting and the standoff by the police is a distraction. >> it's a distraction. >> why did this officer, we now know to be darin wilson, why did this officer kill michael brown? >> that is the big story. was it racially motivated? was the killing justified? those are the questions that people want to know the answers to. and we just don't have those answers. it could be weeks. it could be months. we've got multiple investigations going on. the civil rights investigation. the fbi and justice department involved. we do know that they say they've completed their interviews.
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or at least believe they've completed the interviews of possible witnesses who saw the actual incident and the aftermath of that. we know they have completed an autopsy, an initial autopsy, those results have been handed over to the prosecutor's office as well as the st. louis county police department. that's the local jurisdiction investigating this incident. we know that they are still finishing to process all of the evidence. and what we've been told by all parties involved in the investigation, is that they want to be extra careful that they do this the right way. they don't want to release details, especially preemptively, and we've talked to witnesses who say they haven't been interviewed yet. so we don't want to give any accounts that would tarnish the investigation or influence witnesses who are still coming forward. that's one reason it's taken a while to learn details about what's. >> there are people who have sent us twitter links and video
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that they know, we wonder how many of these conversations they're actually having with investigators. ana cabrera, thank you. and steven kastinbaum there at the market. and tom fuentes, cnn's law enforcement analyst. i was walking around the community and gripped with emotion. some of it is fear, some of it is raw pain. i had a conversation with a father walking with his 4-year-old son. he said, i fear for his future. i'm trying to teach him to the live the right way. then i came across a group of young men, late teens and early 20s and wearing red bandanas and st. louis cardinals caps. and i said why are you wearing these, they're in solidarity for michael brown. then i asked for their names. listen to what they said. >> i'm mike brown. >> mike brown. >> mike brown. >> mike brown.
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>> you all say you're mike brown, i understand that's out of solidarity, why are you here with the red bandanas. >> we could be anybody. we could be your son. we could be your nephew. it could be anybody. >> it could have been him. it could have been him. it could have been him. it could have been her. it could have been her. >> and what they told me after is this is not knew from what they're seeing from the police in ferguson. of course, the report, michael brown as we know is unarmed but they say the harassment that they believe happened in this case is something that is not new that they have experienced themselves. right after the conversation, it went on to a few minutes, those young men walked over to missouri month highway patrol captain ron johnson and they confronted him. he's the man brought to to quell the tension. i want you to listen to their
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change. >> you want to assemble i'm going to tell you not. but we're going to make a difference, i'm going to tell you just like you and me are talking, you listening to me, just like you're saying today, everybody's not going to be like me. everybody's not going to try to understand and make a difference. everybody is not going to be like you. i can tell you, we've got to start with me, start with you. keep doing what you're doing. expressing your views. keep saying what you're saying. >> so after the first night of the law enforcement presence here under the demand of captain johnson, there was peace, there was no violence. but know we last night, the molotov cocktails. one person shot. the looting at the ferguson market, what we saw wednesday night with the police response in some ways, to a lesser degree, we saw again last night. we'll see what we see as we go into this night. remember, this is a weekend now. for people who felt the passion and wanted to be here from other
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area, possibly they had to work the next day and could not get to ferguson to stand here in solidarity. or to be involved in what we saw last night. unfortunately, some looting. and that standoff with police. this is the weekend. we saw bigger crowds here over night. and we'll wonder what happens as this goes into the day. i can tell you there is a vigil planned for noon today. right behind me, just across from the ferguson police department. we'll see how large this crowd is. they're expected to come here and repeat what we've heard and seen over this week. that mantra, that chant of hands up, don't shoot. christi, we'll pass it back to you. but that's the scene right now from ferguson, as we're getting reports that there is still sporadic looting around the intersection of ferguson and west forest. >> that's so interesting, i have a lot of people on twitter and facebook asking what good does
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looting do to help the cause? victor, thank you. hopefully, the peace will continue. we'll see what comes up with the sun there in an hour or so. more on the death of michael brown, obviously, throughout the hour. we'll keep the conversation going. including the legal stats. i mean what can be done. what next steps are taken against the officer who shot michael brown, if any? we're talking to our legal expert who's going to weigh in. plus, u.s. warplanes are striking more targets iraq. unless forces are trying to keep isis from blowing up the major dam. are the u.s. strikes a sign of u.s. mission creep in iraq? man: thanks, captain obvious. captain obvious: i'd get a deal for tonight with deals for tonight from hotels.com. and you might want to get that pipe fixed. if it doesn't work fast...
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returning to the our coverage of the shooting of michael brown in ferguson, missouri, right now. now that we know the name of the officer who shot the unarmed teen. the question is, what's next? is he going to be charged? let's bring in hln legal analyst joey jackson. good morning. >> good morning. good to see you. >> you, too, joey. right out of the gate here. how dot facts about the robbery relate to a shooting from a legal standpoint? >> you know what happens is, is that many people are questioning, christi, of course, the timing of the release of that and whether or not it's even relevant to it. now, you can argue that it it would be relevant, if the officer, darren wilson when he approached michael brown at the time, if he had any knowledge to that robbery, was pursuing that robbery, was looking for suspects from that robbery, if that were the case and it
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appears to be from tom jackson, the police chief, it was not. but it goes to darren wilson's state of mine as to whether or not he thought he might be armed or whether he thought he might be dangerous. there being no connection apparently from what darren wilson was doing. saying he was jay walking and stopped. it has nothing at all to do with the ultimate incident which was the taking of his life. the final point on that issue, christi. there's one thing to have probable cause to stop someone which, of course, if you thought they were a robbery suspect you have. there's quite another thing to have justification to kill someone. in either case, no matter how you slice that incident. they're separate and distinct issues because they're separate in time, separate in place and relevance. >> other thing that's a big flag for people watching this is -- i'm going to let rick and jen say it because they put this on my twitter page.
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why wait six days to release information on the alleged robbery? what would the point be to hanging on to that? >> you know, christi, i think part of the feeling in the community is the disconnect between the police and the level of trust. as a result of that, people just want to know, more so than people, more importantly, the parents of michael brown want to know. so, therefore, it would certainly be incumbent upon the police as soon as they had any information to share it with the public. even to let the public know we understand their concerns. we're getting to the facts. we're getting to the court issues. what we're seeing is the peaceful release of information and not releasing information, and when you do release information in terms of the officer, you reece it in connection with the suspected robbery. it leads further to the feeling of, hey, give us the information, let's get to the facts and pursue justice. >> probably it seems discombobulated, people thinking
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if there's some sort of strategy that can't make sense. i want to show you another tweet. she says, what is the officer's story? when will we hear a statement from him? why do you think wilson is not speaking up, what is your take on that? >> well, what we have understand stood, christi, he's spoken to the authorities. apparently what we hear, he's interviewed twice by the police. that's significant because that would mean his story is on record. when someone goes on record and there's a conversation that, of course, is information that's kept there. so if there's any change in the facts by him at some later date if he is prosecuted and it does go to trial he could be impeached or discredited what he said the other day, as opposed to what you're saying now. in terms of a public statement, i would not look to see that. his lawyers will certainly advise him, don't make any
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public statements. he's been interviewed on two occasions what he said in those interviews, we'll know, but at this point, we're not privy to. >> joey jackson, thank you for being with us. >> pleasure. if you have any questions you want answered about ferguson. the situation unfolding there. the tactics being held by oath sides, we want to hear from you, tweet us #fergusonqs. thank you for chiming in. a likely 2016 presidential candidate is facing felony charges this morning. we're going to tell you who it is, what he's accused of. and we also want to talk about isis. you know, we told you they took over this major dam in iraq. some experts say this was a big win for that terror group. but overnight, u.s. warplanes struck isis targets near the dam. we have an update on that mission next. you make a great team.
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25 manipulates past the hour right now. president obama, as you know, warned u.s. air strikes in iraq will continue to drive isis militants out of those strongholds. we're seeing that happen. overnight, u.s. warplanes have struck isis targets near the world's largest dam. that's mosul dam in northern iraq, obviously. now, isis militants captured the dam earlier this month, following fierce fighting in that area. there are fears that isis fighters could blow the dam up, sparking catastrophic flooding and obviously blocking
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electricity from many regions there. let's bring in lieutenant general mark hertling in orlando and also from london, john doha from the asia-pacific foundation. thank you for being with us. john, let me start with you, is the u.s. already deeply engaged in this and something that they can't get out of? >> well, certainly, the words" mission creep" have re-entered our lexicon. by we have sleep-walked into this problem. the fact is isis has grown. it's taken on major towns. it's a direct concern to the united states to be involved in this conflict so many foreign fighters have linked up with isis, including people in the united states. and if they become more
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radicalized it's a possibility they could plot attacks like has happened in 2004 and 2007. >> general hertling what do you think about that mission creep, and how threaten sergeant isis to the u.s.? >> first of all, i'll address mission creep. it is not a word i would use. we are still in the process of assessing the mission. the president sent a limited number of people over there to determine what we would need to do to help the iraqi farmer, the peshmerga, and those individuals are doing that right now. as the mission develops we may need more and as the government of iraq develops we may need more to assist them but i think we're doing some of the best possible things right now to blunt isis and to re-establish the army of iraq and peshmerga to push the forces back. the air force is doing a mighty fine job, too, with supporting them with air force, and that's
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a good piece in blunting the movement of isis in key areas. >> sanjan, we know that the prime minister nuri al maliki resigned and they're in the process of getting a new prime minister. how much do you think that helps the situation? or does a broken government at this point give more opportunity to isis? >> well, the iraqi government has nominated haider al abadi to be a successor to nuri al maliki. now, he is a somewhat popular choice in the sense that all the groups, the shia, kurds, sunnis are willing to support him. but how can he bring back the sunni arabs who have been disenfranchised by the free of administration who felt discriminated? and that has also helped the growth of isis. and the other aspect is how al abadi can work with the international coalition. the united states, the united
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kingdom, of course, air strikes are important. it's ground troops that the peshmerga, the dregs of the army are going to have to do the majority of the work because you cannot defeat isis from the skies. it's not like, say, confineding pakistan to villages. you're trying to confine isis to major cities and towns and to do that it's going to require an enormous ground assault operation. >> general hertling, really quickly, if the sunnis are willing to join with the shias and the kurdish armies, is it worthwhile to let the shias and kurdish armies go into this isis areas? or is this something that the sunnis want to tackle on their own? >> no, this will be a rebirth of the iraqi army. i agree with sanjan completely. what happens next is very
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critical. if he reaches out to the four arab provinces and the three kurdish provinces in the north and rebuilds that patriotic and nationalistic fervor that existed at once, i think certainly the iraqi army could be rebuilt. and you're also going to see the sunni tribesmen turn against isis -- >> i apologize, i hate it when that happens. we've lot general hertling. but general hertling, if you can hear us, thank you for your time. sarjan gohel, we thank you as well. obviously, we're going to have more conversation about e isis. it's been a brutal night there. they've kid up to 80 men and kidnapped 100 women there. so we'll keep you posted on what's happening there. keep the conversation going. but we're also talking about the looters that took to the streets in ferguson, missouri.
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welcome back to "new day" saturday, here in ferguson, missouri. peaceful protests once again turned violent overnight. looters targeted the ferguson market. that's where michael brown allegedly stole a case -- packs, rather, of cigars in the minutes before he was shot and killed by officer darren wilson. that officer's name released yesterday. i want to bring in cnn shimon
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prokupecz, the producer who saw some of that unfold over night. shimon, to tell us what you saw. >> well, it was a remarkable scene, where basically dozens of looters were allowed to run free on the strip here. they looted several stores. one of which was a meat market. they went in, took bottles of alcohol, meat, literally, boxes up to their chin, just like stacked boxes of food. they went into a beauty supply store and broke through the window. a couple of them ran in, took out tons of stuff. and then ran into cars and sped away. at one point, we even -- saw team leaders carrying what looked like a tremendous size
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sort of industrial electric saw. two of them were carrying it. they put it in the car and took off. it was going on. it was a large group. they would come in in cars. they would break into stores. then they would jump into cars and take off. some of them stayed and lingered and went into other stores. eventually, they all left. one of the most sort of, you know, fascinating thing in all of this is that the police kind of just stood by. they absolutely did nothing to stop it. nothing to prevent it. and in fact, many of the store owners are now showing up. i'm actually standing in front of the meat market. and the owners are standing outside with machine guns now protecting their stores. and they're sort of fed up. because they say that they called the police and the police never came. police did nothing to try and stop this. they're not happy about that. >> so, shimon, you're saying that the owners are now standing out in front of their stores
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with guns, with weaponry protecting their property themselves? >> yes, i mean, there are see of them outside of the sam's meat market. and they're standing there with large size weapons. and well, two of them even have handguns, in addition to a large size weapon. and he told us, the other truck, his suvs, you know, filled with guns. and they're just fed up, he said because they're actually saying they've been hit. they met with police. and they closed early today, because they were threatened by people who came into the store and threatened them and told them this was going to happen. they closed the store. they boarded it up, and they left. and when the looting started, they saw it on television. they heard about it, they called the police. and they said the police told them there's nothing they can do. so, yeah, it's sort of the scene now where people are sort of taking, you know, it into their own hands.
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>> all right, shimon prokupecz, cnn producer sitting there watching what's happening now. store owners as he's reporting with guns. they're protecting their stores. and he says they have more. disappointed with the response from police. shimon, i'll get back to you. i want to start with the statement as we lead into the next segment. take a look at this. if american history has shown us one thing, it is only violence, protests and massive civil unrest that ever leads to any substantive change. that's a statement from our next guest. he'll join to us explain, after the break. keep it here.
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welcome back to our special live coverage from peferguson, missouri. the small city in the american heartland that's once again erupted. peaceful protests erupted just hours ago. look at this, you see the s.w.a.t. teams armed with the riot gear. the military-style rifles. again what we saw wednesday night, this morning responding to more violence and looting in the town where michael brown the unarmed teenager was shot and killed one week ago today. protesters we understand threw bricks and rocks and molotov cocktails. according to reports, one person was rushed to a nearby hospital. at least one police officer was injured by a brick thrown. hln contributor dr. jason
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johnson joins me from atlanta. he's a professor of political science at hire ram college also the paulics editor at the "source" magazine. dr. johnson, that you ever for being here. that quote that i read before the break, that's yours. you say, of course, while no one wants violence and property destruction, this is also true. if american history has shown us, it is only violence, protests and massive civil unrest that ever leads to any substantive change. i'm going to give you a little time here, explain. >> well, sure, if you look at the beginning of this country, it started with looting, the boston tea party. we started throwing tea over the side of boats because we weren't happy with how we were being taxed. if you look at most of the civil rights movement. if you look at the indian rights movement. if you look at most movements in the country, a macrolevel. integration of housing, integration of police forces, integration of fire departments
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didn't happen until the '60s, '70s '80s. while it's disturbing and sad that peaceful marches don't seem to lead to peaceful marches like we like, this is unfortunately american history. the civil rights going on in ferguson, that didn't happen until the rioting. clearly from the police behavior, there should have been civil rights investigations into the behavior there long before michael brown. >> i want to read something that someone posted, nothing speeds justice better than rioting and looting. way to advance the cause. when you have reports last night, where there was looting, there were people in that community, civilians coming out, standing in lines saying, no, we're not doing this. don't we -- of course, history has its place, but haven't we evolved since then that we can do this without the violence? >> you would think so. >> and doesn't the line of -- don't the lines of people there
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tell us, though? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. because it's the anger that leads to fear which leads to change, unfortunately. if you think about it, most of the original protesters that were out there, they were completely peaceful. what was the response, shooting tear gas and getting highly militarized until the looting started. it wasn't until the governor decided i guess we should bring in state troopers, that the president decided i guess we're going to bring in a more aggressive d.o.j. investigation. unfortunately, it doesn't seem like peaceful behavior is listensed to. you think of people having church vigils and people walking through the streets, that should have been enough. but it didn't. it wasn't until violence occurred and there was a contrast between polite behavior and protesting and people acting like thugs to get change. >> dr. johnson, even speaking
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with people protesting, here with the signs, hands up, don't shoot. i asked when the cameras are gone and the protests, what will be the actual change. and many of them say they don't believe anything is going to change. after watching all the protests after trayvon, and rasheed mcbride. and now jesse jackson is in town. you've got martin luther king iii back. and what has changed, what will be the change even after all the unrest? >> no, there's nothing that has changed right now. what is probably going to change, next april when there are elections in town, you're going to see a different city council. what is going to change, the likelihood. i don't know what's going to happen with darren wilson. we don't know if that guy will even be found guilty. the number of civil rights cases brought against ferguson police officers will darn near bankrupt that office.
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i suspect once the investigation is over that the government will politely ask the chief of police to transfer to some other area because he's lost the public trust. are we going to see the wholesale that people want, a healthier relationship between the police force and community? unfortunately not. are we going to see the president step up and do something about the marry tearizatitea militarization of local police? >> hln contributor jason johnson, thank you for being here. victor, so good to see you out there. as victor is co-anchoring. make sure to keep sending us questions that you have about ferguson, missouri. tweet questions usin using #fergusonqs t
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iraqi and kurdish forces all trying to rest control. isis targets in northern iraq near the mosul dam. iraqi and peshmerga fighters joining the fight on the round. cnn reporter nick paton walsh is joining us from erbil right now. nick, what do we know about the u.s. air strikes, are they still ongoing right now? >> reporter: well, according to witnesses, these are some of the heaviest strikes seen at the beginning of the intervention here. that's according to people talking to people in that area. four main towns there and crossing towards the dam. now, one of our colleagues has spoken to some actually near at the dam, suggesting that in fact there are still engineers at work. the dam is still functional. but the air strikes have come in to hit to the west of the dam in particular. what is referred to as mobile
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isis positions there. so a fight clearly ongoing. on the ground it seems to be peshmerga and possibly iraqi units moving toward that particular part. the vital structure of iraq and in the days past, isis have moved in. they've kept it intact. they're kept engineers at work. clearly there is a fight under way, backed up by u.s. air power to clear it away from there. the simple cases where they'll actually be fighting at the dam. that's, of course, something that somebody wants at this stage. >> nick paton walsh. thank you for the update. stay safe there, of course. new this morning, a 2012 republican presidential candidate is indicted. we'll tell hue we're talking about and what ease accused of doing. stay close. yes? lactaid® is 100% real milk? right. real milk. but it won't cause me discomfort. exactly, because it's milk without the lactose. and it tastes? it's real milk! come on, would i lie about this? [ female announcer ] lactaid. 100% real milk. no discomfort.
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crimes. two felony crimes. for count one, it's 5 to 99 years in prison. and for count two, it's 2 to 10 years in prison. >> his lawyer called the indictment, a quote, political abuse of the court system unquote. and insisted that perry operates within the powers given to the state governor there. thank you so much for starting your morning with us. we are edging towards the 7:00 hour. your next hour of "new day" starts right now. ♪ all right. we are so grateful for your company as always. i'm christi paul here at cnn headquarters in atlanta. >> i'm victor blackwell in ferguson, missouri. it is 7:00 here on the east coast, and 6:00 a.m. here in ferguson. this is "new day saturday." >> victor's there, breaking there overnight, of course, looters hit more stores there in ferguson. in fact, we've got video that we want to show you from a few
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hours ago, right, victor? >> yeah, a s.w.a.t. team in riot gear with gas masks and armored trucks, christi, they pointed their military-style weapons and marched slowly towards the people who gathered in the rain outside a market and liquor store in ferguson. they never really approached them, but they got pretty close. >> we also understand that looters hit three stores to the store where 18-year-old michael brown is suspected of stealing $50 worth of cigar ises. just a sort time before he was gunned down which was a week ago, by the way, that's what happened, that was with an officer by the ferguson police department. victor what is the kmov reporting? >> yeah, about 200 protesters took to the streets early this morning from kmov. and they were met by 100 officers, police reportedly saying at least one shooting at a nearby intersection. that victim was rushed to a
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nearby hospital. one officer was hurt when hit by a brick or large rock thrown. we're waiting for updates on both of those people. >> i think what is interesting, there were peaceful protesters who are continuing to demand answers about why michael brown was killed. some of those peaceful protesters as i understand it, got in the way of the looters and say, no, you're not doing this anymore. yes, victor? >> yes, that was at the ferguson market. the location of that alleged strong-arm robbery where police released those still photos and then video michael brown stealing cigars, cigarellos is the name. the rain is picking up. there were people sitting behind me across from the ferguson police department. they've now gone inside. but what we saw overnight, was a confrontation between people who went into that ferguson market.
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and local people who stood between them and the market and tried to keep them out. we understand from a producer who was there a few moments ago, steve kastinbaum, says there was actually a negotiation between the people guarding and protecting that store. and the people who wanted to go in. and at some point, the men standing trying to guard it let them go in. now from what we understand, they have now dpeispersed. there was some fate that the store could meet the fate that the qt met a few days before. the police actually protected that store. we also know from our shimon prokupecz, that some store owners are taking that into their own hands with weapons because police are not stopping the looters. i want to bring in ana cabrera, because you've been here for several nights now. we saw what happened overnight,
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the molotov cocktails. we saw or at least heard a report of shooting. how does last night compare to the previous nights? >> victor, there have been so many twists and turns in the last couple of days in the story. in protesting. how police have been responding to the protesting. some of the information and few bits and pieces of detail that police have released. i think the very latest, what's concerning is seeing almost a lawlessness return to the streets of ferguson in that these looters seem to be now continuing to, you know, in a sporadic way, go into stores at will. they're obviously breaking the law and doing so. and police have not taken action. and, of course, police were initially criticized for maybe an overreaction as somehow perceived. and seeing all kinds of people on twitter and other social media criticizing law enforcement on the scene for not acting strong enough. >> yeah.
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>> so i think those are questions we have to talk to and pose to the missouri state authority as they're expected to hold a press conference and answer questions and get an update on what happened overnight. >> we mentioned that sense of lawlessness. but we also have to mention there was some effort and we talked about it for self-policing for the members of the community to protect their resources. to protect their community as well. a lot of people have said, we know about the shootings after michael brown's death. let's talk about why everybody is here. michael brown being killed by this officer we now know as darren wilson. we want to show it to you, what you probably have not seen to this point, the cell phone video that drives home the fury that so many people here in ferguson are feeling right now. it was taken a week ago, last saturday afternoon, michael brown's body is still in the
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middle of the street after that 18 year old was shot by a police officer. it was there for hours, uncovered. and a crowd, you'll see them, gather around and they'll start to respond to police there. we have to warn you that there's a chance that you'll find this video and the audio very disturbing. but we think it's important you that see it. we're not going to speak over it. we want you to hear it and understand what's happening in the suburb of st. louis. it's a little more than two minutes. watch and listen. >> hello. >> man [ bleep ]. i seen his hands up and everything. >> i heard the gunshot. >> i heard the gunshots. >> i knew something happened it was too early in the day. >> who is it? did he stay right there? his dad just tried to grab him.
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and in the black and his auntie on the phone, they had some [ bleep ] they some dirty [ bleep ] i saw the car. >> that's [ bleep ]. >> he gone. >> yeah, he gone. he gone. yeah he gone. he stood over him? >> when he he was on the ground. that's what say. shot him some while he was on the ground. >> police killed the dude. he had his hands up and everything. he fell on the ground. they stood up and shot him some more. they got just him laying in the
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street dead as a [ bleep ]. >> this is [ bleep ] unreal. >> stop, stop. >> [ bleep ]. >> who the [ bleep ] did it? >> where is the ambulance? >> he gone. he gone. >> and there his body lay for reportedly hours and hours, four or five hours, we're told. ana cabrera is still here with us. ana, you've heard for the last
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few days, i've heard, the level of disrespect that many in the community feel after seeing that young man's body there in the road so long. pair that with the release of the surveillance pictures from the alleged strong-arm robbery, at the same time the officer weighs name was released yesterday. that's like salt in the wounds of many of the people who feel like they're just trying to malign michael brown and protect this officer. >> and these are deep wounds, old wounds that have festered in this community for years. i think that's one reason we're seeing so much anger. the culmination of many different pieces here that have become part of the story line. have become part of the investigation and ongoing details that we're still learning. of course, yesterday, people were really angry when the police chief came out, released the name of the officer. gave very little information about him. but then spent a lot of time on this alleged robbery that happened. in which michael brown was the
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suspect. michael brown's parents came out and said this is a character assassination of our son. and again, the treatment of michael brown as a suspect, versus a victim as many perceive he is. especially when you look at the shooting. he was a victim. he was killed by police. and we don't know the answer as to why he was killed and why that shooting was justified. >> each captain johnson with the state missouri patrol even releasing that and criticized the police chief for releasing that at the same time. >> i want the viewers understand how things work behind the scenes. media, many media outlets had specifically put in public information requests for information, details, video, whatever was available on that robbery situation. because there's been a lot of buzz in the days about some kind of robbery, people thought it
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was at the quicktrip, which is ground zero of the protests. so when media does that, police and law enforcement have a legal -- they have to respond. >> obligation to respond to that. >> if they can, if it's not part of the investigation. so they have to put that out. >> and we should also say that the media's also asked for pictures and the record of darren wilson, and we're still waiting for more information on the officer. they felt free to release all the information about that strong-arm robbery but still very little about the officer who killed michael brown. ana, thank you very much. >> that video that you saw was sent to me by a viewer who received out to me via twitter. my handle is victorcnn. if you want any information or the situation unfolding, send a tweet, use the #fergusonqs.
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rosemary lehmberg, unless she stepped down. perry is fighting back on this. tony, thank you for being with us. first of all, walk us through. what exactly are the charges about? help us understand this better. >> yes. so it's basically what you've said. the district attorney of travis county, rosemary lehmberg was arrested on a dwi charge in april 2013, two days later as the letting tour was finishing the budget, governor rick perry sent word to rosemary lehmberg basically saying resign from your office or i'm going to veto an item in the state budget that would have given $7.2 million to her office. >> so is there any way that he could have handled differently if he had wanted her to deal with the dui arrest? >> well, you know, perhaps he could have sent word to her that he wanted her to resign. and he did do that. the problem here, according to the prosecutors and others closely following this case is
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the fact that he linked those two things together. he linked a threat and then he linked a veto. so in essence, according to the prosecution, he used that money, that $7.2 million for her office, to try to coerce her into resigning. >> okay. gotcha. now, we understand, perry's lawyer basically called the indictment bogus. does he have anything to back that up? >> no, i mean, his position is that governor rick perry has constitutional authority. constitutional veto authority as the state's governor. and so, according to perry's lawyer, governor perry's lawyer, he was merely exercising that constitutional authority. that constitutional detail authority. >> so these two felony charges. i mean, they carry with it some hefty repercussions as i understand it, yes? >> potentially, up to 99 years in prison for the most serious charge, yes. >> so what is the talk there?
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what is the murmur, in terms of perry's, you know, when we look at the big picture, presidential dreams? >> well, i think that depends on who you ask. there are certainly republican strategists out there who believe this may ultimately not have much of an impact. that governor perry will request a speedy trial. this will go to trial even within 90 days so he can resolve this issue and potentially get on with his potential presidential bid. that is, of course, assuming that he is acquitted of these charges. >> what are the people of texas saying about him as governor in all of this? >> well, you know governor rick perry has had an unprecedented 14-year term as governor here. he, of course, has always enjoyed a lot of support within the state, particularly here in travis county, though. that is not the case. this county is made up of a lot of democrats. of course, republicans and perry
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21 minutes past the hour right now. we are going to head back live to ferguson in just a bit. nick valencia is following some stories we're going to talk about. >> let's get you caught up, christi. 22 minutes past the hour here. let's start number one, u.s.-led military operation under way right now to retack iraq's largest hydroelectric dam from isis. u.s. warplane have struck isis targets near the dam. peshmerga forces are not advancing but coordinating with u.s. and kurdish forces. number two, the u.s. says
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28 minutes past the hour. welcome back. so glad you're here, i'm christi paul at cnn headquarters in atlanta. >> i'm victor blackwell in ferguson, missouri. here's in ferguson, this is the
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scene where we've seen the molotov cocktails and the riot gear that we've seen through the week. overnight, looters targeted stores and restaurants. despite the police, it was protesters, protesters holding back other protesters from doing more damage. we saw also overnight, there were reports of one person who was shot. an officer injured with some -- a brick or a large rock that was thrown. i think we now have those photographs of people who own the ferguson market. we were told by a producer who was there that they're now standing there with weapons protecting their property. guys do we have that photograph to put up? we have a photograph there of the employees, the workers, the owners of this ferguson market, where michael brown was allegedly involved in a strong-arm robbery, standing there with high-powered rifles, also handguns. you see the store was looted.
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there you see them there, standing in front of the store with those weapons, because overnight, as the looting went on. the officers, the missouri state highway patrol, they did not get between those looters and the store, there were other protesters, other members of the community who eventually stopped them. however, at some point, those other protesters got out of the way, and the men and women who wanted to go in and steal from owners of the store at some point were allowed to do that. we also know that there's going to be a vigil here coming up later today, at about noon, at which we are going to see people again with hands up, don't shoot chant that we've heard several times pipe want you to meet a woman. her name is carolyn jennings. she is not here specifically for michael brown. she's here because she sees what she calls a larger injustices toward african-american men. list ton her story. and we'll talk about it more.
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>> i really feel that for a long time that black men are not being treated fairly. they've been shot in the streets. my grandfathers used to have dogs and white men used to come and shoot the dogs and say they were doing something to their pen or something. and i say that's the way they've been treated. >> so would it be fair to say that you're not here specifically for mike brown, but here for a larger purpose? >> i don't know mike brown, but i did get a feeling about mike brown and all the others. that's why i need to be here. if anything can be done to improve the situation, i want to help. >> and that sentiment is not rare. a man protesting on behalf of his 4-year-old son, also a woman who was here with her husband. you know, the killing of michael
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brown shines a light on race relations on the community of ferguson, missouri. really across the country, but here, two-thirds of the population is black. yet, the mayor is white. so of five of the six city council members. the police chief is white. there are only three african-american members of this 53-person police force. why is that important? probably to protect confrontations betweens the one we've seen. but a brief calm after captain ron johnson of the missouri state highway patrol was installed as the interim fix. and i want to lincoln in loren byrd. first, gentlemen i spoke with yesterday, somewhere between the
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ages of 24 and 35. don't be fooled by captain ron johnson, a black man to run law enforcement here. what is the impact between that disparity of the number of african-americans in the police department and a 67% black community? what's the impact there? >> well, i mean, the impact is big. victor, you know, most of the time, you know, police departments, you know, want to -- they should reflect the community that they're policing. and when you see residents seeing individuals who don't necessarily look like them, who don't necessarily are their best interests at heart and find themselves at odds, historically, with the individuals that are charged with policing them, it's very, very complicated. and so to have that place be 67% black and only black police officers in that department is very troubling.
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>> so, now, that the disparity has been highlighted, is there a way to change that? can you legally say, all right. now, we need 25 more black officers? >> well, yeah, i mean, there's things that you can do. and ultimately there needs to be some outreach, sincere outreach by that police department and the city of ferguson. at the same time, you know, the police department has to present a welcoming environment for those black officers when they come. you know, i can just speak from being a police officer for 23 years and my agency, you know, i'm proximately maybe six or seven officers now that are of color. but the things that i've endured as a black police officer, in a predominantly white agency has been very, very detrimental. especially someone who is connected with the black
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community. >> professor mcneal, in addition to what is the primary concern here, the shooting and killing of michael brown. i especially on wednesday night, there were many in this community who believed that their constitutional rights were infringed upon. the arrests were simply being in an area where curfew had not been established. do they have a credible case? >> very good question, which he actually do. in terms of their constitutional rights. if there's a city ordinance that's in place, that says residents have to be in by a certain time and they violate that ordinance, police are within their responsibilities to ensure that ordinance is enforced. so without knowing greater detail just based on the actual law in that area, it would be a violation of their rights if they're violating, if there's a city ordinance in place that they're not adhering to. but if there's not a city ordinance in place communicated to the community, then they have the freedom to go wherever they
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like within their communities. >> you have interacted with the president on how to reduce violence. what was involved and how did that turn out? >> the training was very exciting. essentially what we focused on is how to stop police officers from using adult policing tactics to teens. essentially, understanding how the teen mind works. understanding that because of their tickal developmental stage, that they might be more likely to respond slowly to police commands. also to recognize youth with mental illness, youth exposed to trauma. such as the youth that saw michael brown shot in broad daylight. those are the types of things that teach them to interact with police. you want to de-escalate those types of interaction so they don't result in the violence that we saw with michael brown. and very quickly, we're able to reduce with the training the number of youth arrests in the
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boston area from 646 to 74. >> lieutenant byrd, last question to you, we're soliciting questions through twitter with the #tag fergusonqs. and one we received. maybe we can put up the question verbatim. but the question gets to why did the police department decide yesterday to release those stills and eventually the video of the alleged strong-arm robbery, when they knew there's this sensitivity, especially at this time. and there would be likely be some pushback, some response to what they saw? and it actually happened. wire wou why would they do that? >> i would tell you, victor, what you're starting to see right now is the defense that's going to be developed out of what happened after mr. michael brown left that store. ultimately, you know, they need to make that correlation that
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michael brown did appear to be aggressive and behaved aggressive. and so unfortunately, for the community, that looks very bad. but they also need to understand that they can also focus on what happened after the police officer pulled them over. i think that's very important. that's more important even than the robbery. even though they're going to make the correlation. so, again, these are things that are very common. and people should not get too upset about it. because it is what it is. but i would like to say that there needs to be education, even in our community. you know, police have shown over and over that they're going to do what they're going to do. as a black officer who continues to education in my community. it's important that communities and leaders around the world start educating our black men to interact with police. even though it's very difficult for us to do. because the historical oppression that black men have felt for so long. but keep in mind, i'm concerned
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with saving black men's lives. so we need to really make that push. because at the end of the day, a police officer is going to do what a police officer is going to do. and the time to express your grievance is not at that time while that police officer is going to do what he's going to do. we need to work on that, while simultaneously addressing the injustices that are obviously just running rampant. >> lieutenant marlon byrd, professor lauren mcneal, we'll have this expanded conversation throughout the day and one week since michael brown was shot and killed in ferguson. back to you, kristie, in atlanta. we have talk about what is happening in iraq. u.s. warplanes trying to wrestle control of isis targets, iraqi forces are expected to join that fight. as refugees try to run away, though, isis fighters have been terrorizing town after town.
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breaking overnight, u.s. and iraqi forces trying to drive extremist militants from iraq's largest hydroelectric dam. now u.s. warplanes we know have struck isis terror targets in northern iraq which has become a battleground, really, as its
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militants overrun town after town. we're joined by cnn correspondent nick paton walsh in erbil. and general mark hertling is here with us. gentlemen, i want to begin, what are the air strikes at this hour, are they still ongoing at this hour? >> as far as i understand, it's a heavy bombardment, as far as i know bombs are dropping as as i speak. when do the ground forces get involved. the target being hit, referred as mobile isis units that would be the vehicles. some of them primarily from the iraqi army who got them from americans in turn. they appear to be the targets in many different areas around the dam, apparently, it's reached from the actual hydroelectric facility, the largest in iraq. the question is, when do we start seeing potentially on the ground peshmerga and kurdish
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forces moving towards the dam? will they potentially have the united states forces with them to guard the dam. and how do you fight over something as fragile and massively important as this dam, without causing damage to it and risking the potential damage that could cause to the thousands, hundreds of thousands of people, who live beneath this waterway. >> that's a fierce fight there. as i go to general hertling, bob bair said that isis is much more potent than al qaeda. do you believe that to be true, and if so, how do we fight them? >> i definitely believe that to be true, christi. they have several strengths that were just okay. in al qaeda. they have significant amount of cash that they've stolen from banks. they've -- they've basically occupied the oil facilities.
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and they're getting a lot of money there. they have better leadership and more centralized leadership within iraq and syria than al qaeda did. iraq was a side show i think for al qaeda. they were there in order to fight americans. and at the end of their tour there, they decided to try and establish a caliphate. that's the primary goal of isis right now to establish that caliphate and have that there so they're much more powerful. >> nick, i want to go back, we heard horrifying reports of isis taking over a village and massacring some men and kidnapping some women. what do you know about that? >> well, this one village apparently had 80 men killed and over 100 perhaps women and children taken away from it. the a village close to mount sinjar where so much of the yazidis have fled to and escaped into kurdish territory.
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so we don't know a lot more about this. it's coming from kurdish sources still to be verified properly on the ground but it fits into a broader pattern of when we see of isis, where they take territory, of those who they regard as infidels, the unfaithful, yes, the men are kid and women and children who as we've heard from an isis commander himself the past week, they give the women and children a chance to convert. but for the ethic minorities in this part of iraq as isis moves forward, the most horrific potential visions of what life in iraq is being realized. >> general hertling, i know some people who fought in the iraq war, their families are watching this and they're horrified because they think they fight for nothing. how much has security secretary jeh johnson said that his concern is that isis has gone with americans who may train
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with the group and then come home with the u.s. to attack. do you think that is indeed a real threat and how are they enticing americans? >> well, let me answer your first question about americans who fought in iraq. i think it's critical for our soldiers our marines, our airmen, our navy, to understand what they did there was provide an opportunity for iraq to go forward. unfortunately during a period of time that was squandered do a degree. we see indicators that will al abadi, the new iraq prime minister is going to bring that back. and he has support from others. so i think is this just a cycle of history. and the american military who fought there and the state department who fought there as well did a great service to iraq. and i think we're attempting to bring that back. unfortunately, isis is -- it's a jihadist movement. it's an extreme religious assault on moderate islam. and it's unfortunate that they're taking a look at the territories of iraq filled their caliphate.
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it's got to be fought. it could come home to the homeland. they are certainly recruiting jihadis from around the world and from all different cultures. that's unfortunate, but i think the iraqi government will attempt to stop that in the next few months and years, and it will be critical for the security of all of the world to stop this movement. >> okay. nick, one more question to you. of course, the general just mentioned the new regime there in iraq. the new government. how willing do you think will the sunnis be? because you need to get -- you know, you have the kurds you've got the shiites. you've got to get the sunnis on their side. how willing will they be to come back to the government of iraq? >> there's some indications. the problem is haider al abadi really is from a completely new one than nuri al maliki. many think this prime minister designate if maliki step aside, abadi has the chance to unite
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the country. there are signs they have done that in the past. it is an urgent task and one that has to overcome years of hostility. nuri al maliki, leaving the office and now cements the potentially the communities where isis are finding sanctuary at the moment. they have to come on board with the government of iraq if isis gets expelled from the communities where they are now. >> all right. nick paton walsh and general hertling, thank you very much. we'll be right back. ection"? fraud. fro-g. frau-d. i think we're on the same page. at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. fraud protection. get it at discover.com will you be a sound sleeper,
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feeding in with very heavy rain across portions of missouri and southern iowa. we are dealing with possibly 2 to 4 inches of rain across st. louis. 2 to 4 inches across louisville. we will keep an eye on it. this will continue to march through the east in the afternoon and evening hours. so stormy in the midwest. steamy situation setting up around the southeast. of course, we are going to see temperatures continuing to warm up as we go in through the late weekend and into the early part of next week. temperatures, when you look at it on paper, it doesn't seem all that bad. temperatures are a couple of degrees above normal. 90 degrees in atlanta. our average is 88. when you factor in the humidity, that's when the temperatures are really going to start to feel hot. we have humidity values in the 60s and 70s. so, it will feel very, very hot out there. temperatures across much of the east will continue to warm. we actually enjoyed a couple of
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nice to wake up without an alarm clock. hopefully that is what saturday is for you. i know things look differently here at cnn. i'm christi paul here in atlanta. feeling a bit lonely, victor. >> i'm victor blackwell here in ferguson, missouri. 8:00 on the east coast and 7:00 here in central. this is "new day" saturday. >> breaking news overnight. looters hit stores overnight. victor. >> a s.w.a.t. team with gas masks and armored trucks, similar to what we have seen earlier in this week, pointed
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military-style weapons and marked to the people gathered outside the market and liquor store here in ferguson. >> our affiliate is reporting some 200 protesters in the streets yesterday and they eventually met about 100 officers there. police reportedly say there was at least one shooting at a near by intersection with the victim rushed to the hospital there. one officer was hurt by a brick or rock that was thrown. as we thought things were winding down, victor, it looks like that is not the case overnight. >> it is an important day. it is one week to the day after 18-year-old michael brown was shot and killed by a member of the ferguson police department. just yesterday, the city's police chief named the officer who pulled the trigger. darren wilson. 28 years old. protesters demanding that name, christi. >> right. once they release that, that came with a raft of new details
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about brown's alleged involvement in a robbery. with all of it coming out at the same time, that is raising more questions for people there, isn't it, victor? >> also and for a lot of people, inflamed tensions that were obviously already raw. here is what we saw in ferguson early this morning. watch. a tense standoff in ferguson, missouri as police in riot gear against people with looters. the night escalated into violence. >> there were at least three molotov cocktails that our crews saw. they were thrown on to the roof of a dominos pizza. the police and fire department were called in and they were able to put out the flames before much damage was done. that resulted in a bit of a police force here that ultimately culminated with a
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very, very tense standoff. >> the flashpoint? the ferguson market and liquor store. the same store that is part of the case surrounding the shooting of michael brown. the teen killed by police. officers on friday released surveillance video showing allegedly michael brown taking part in a robbery in the store. a s.w.a.t. team across the store via bull horn for people to get out of the streets and off the sidewalks and go home. officers warned they would be arrested if they disobeyed. >> this is the police. we do nationot want anyone to g hurt. >> minutes after the looting, a dozen people lined up putting their hands in the air. they said they come to fend off the looters. >> it looked to me like you came over here to protect the store. >> that's what we did. you see the store.
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that store has been attacked. everything is still there. we protected the store. they were going to set it on fire. >> you know, the police were not the ones who eventually got those looters to leave the store. there were other people who live in the community, other protesters who put themselves between the potential looters and store for a period of time and then those men and women stepped aside and looters went in and cleaned the shelves. we have pictures of the owners, employees and workers at the ferguson market who had weapons. assault rifles and handguns standing there protecting their property. i have ana cabrera here with me. you have been in ferguson all week. people are asking is it possible the officer thought brown knew about that armed robbery -- not armed robbery, alleged robbery.
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a lot of focus on this here. why did this officer feel it was necessary to draw his weapon and shoot and eventually kill michael brown? that is the focus. >> that is the question people want to have answered. we don't have the exact answer if that case. we don't know a lot about the officer's story. police just have not released those details of the investigation. they don't want to come proper pi pies. case there. what we have been told by chief jackson, the officer who eventually took michael brown's life, he did not know they were indeed suspects in a strong armed robbery. it got a little bit muddy yesterday. there were several stories about this issue. the robbery and shooting and potential connection and how they were related that was not
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clear. details were released throughout the day in which initially we were under the understanding that the officer had heard the dispatcher say this strong armed robbery had happened and that these suspects in that case were walking toward the kwik trip. it is on the lookout for the suspects. then he recanted saying he did not know michael brown and tory johnson were walking down the street. later, he came back out and said, well, he had heard something about a robbery of cigars and when he made the contact with them, it was because they were walking in the street. he happened to notice cigars in one of their hands. he made a quick connection about it. it is hard to know if they are indeed connected with the officer's response. >> what is a concern is this is
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coming out in drips and draps. we have our law enforcement analyst tom fuentes in washington. tom, we have the twitter questions. #fergusonqs. the question is, if police told the store owners there wasn't anything they could do about looting were ferguson police rebelling? >> that is a good question, victor. i think the scenario last night about police not stopping the looting is absolutely -- i just can't explain it. that's the police job. people need to be safe in their homes and streets. so do the store owners and so does everybody in the community. the police are not supposed to be telling people you are on your own. protect yourself. we wonder why there is a run on gun stores and the purchase of
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weapons in the st. louis area in the last week. people get the impression if the police are not going to do their job, i may have to do it for them. we don't want that. that is why we have a civil society. that is why we have laws, rules and that's what the police' job. they are trained and they have the discipline to do it. they are not supposed to tell people do it yourself. >> i hate to interrupt here, but what are police supposed to do? it seems in some situations, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. if the police went up to the store, i can imagine we would have seen the repeat of wednesday night where the police would be blamed or state troopers would be blamed for inciting whatever came next. what is the proper way in your opinion to deal with looters? >> the proper way is dealing with looters is not the same with dealing with protesters. you had the store owners out protecting their property. they would have welcomed.
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they called for the police to come and protect their stores. they would have welcomed the police intervention. i think the community leaders who also tried to stop the looting, would have welcomed that type of intervention. not the intervention of dragging protesters off the streets or reporters out of mcdonald's. but stopping actual felonies in progress. that is the job of the police. whether it is unpopular or not or whether it has risks. what if we had looters come out and kill one of the store own owners? what is the story of police? we we we were trying to prevent violence. it is a shame they killed innocent people. that is not allowed. that is not acceptable. >> you know, ana, the difference between what we saw last night and what we saw the previous night, the first night under command of captain johnson was there were no police anywhere, essentially on thursday night. they pulled back. they had a command post where i
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went and tried to get the vehicles in one picture to tweet out. there are so many, you cannot get them in a single shot. they came in yesterday, this kinder and gentler approach, apparently, is not as effective as some thought. >> i think we would be naive to think police pulled back entirely on thursday. i think they did not want to show a show of force in the way they had previously because that is what protesters feel like they were intimidated by police. that was the intention of law enforcement initially. i think that those specific vehicles and their gear and their resources were still on scene on thursday, but they were able to pull back. but last night, when we saw things start to flare up with people throwing molotov cocktails before midnight and looters coming to the ferguson market and trying to storm in. i think police then did say we are here and that's when we saw them respond in that way.
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what is the right way to stopped? i guess we are still trying to figure that out. >> figure out that balance. >> our law enforcement in charge of the effort when they hold the press conference later this morning. >> it should be important to say there were no unformed police officers or troopers that we saw thursday night. very likely plain-clothes troopers in the crowd. ana cabrera, thank you very much. tom fuentes in washington, thank you as well. >> victor, thank you. you are doing a great job. stay dry. a republican presidential hopeful is fighting serious charges this morning. we will look at the case against governor rick perry. plus, seaworld is giving its whales a little more space, but apparently not everyone is happy about this. ♪ ♪ so nice, so ni-i-i-ce ♪ sweet, sweet st. thomas nice ♪ so nice, so ni-i-i-ce
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away for a long time. the 2016 republican presidential hopeful has been indicted on two felony charges. here is the thing, he is accused of abusing power by pressuring a local district attorney to resign. our reporter peter hamby is following the story. take us back to the start of this whole thing. how did the charges come about? >> reporter: earlier this spring, the district attorney, mary anne lemberg was arrested for drunk driving. she has the integrity unit. they investigate public corruption cases. after the drunk driving arrest, perry threatened to veto $7.5 million of state funding for this unit. that raised alarming for a left-leaning watch dog group that filed an ethics complaint. special prosecutor spent months with the grand jury bringing witnesses into the ethics
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complaint. last night, he dropped a two-count indictment. one was abuse of power and coercion. arguing it was inappropriate for perry to use state money to threaten the district attorney to resign. perry's people were saying this was fully within his constitutional authority. they are saying politics are at play in travis county which is liberal. this is where austin, the capital of texas is. they are vowing to fight very, very hard against this, christi. but look, this really threatens his presidential prospects. i'm not going to say yet it is fatal. we don't know how it plays out. the word indictment is going to be associated with rick perry heading into the presidential race. he is trying to remake his image after the disastrous 2012 race which you remember was embarrassing for him.
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he came in really hot and flamed out in spectacular fashion. this is a real political headache for him. we are waiting to see next week whether or not he will actually get a mug shot. the special prosecutor said he will have to come in to a courtroom next week, possibly get fingerprinted and possibly a mug shot. he is working with perry's attorney to see if that happens. >> if that happens, it will be all over the place. everybody will look at it. it will be all over social media. when you talk about the basis of this and the two sides and both allegations here that it is politically motivated and this indictment is warranted, give me the back ups to both sides. how do they warrant both arguments? first of all, let's start with the indictment. is it a strong indictment? is there strong evidence? >> reporter: that is really interesting. the special prosecutor has chops. he worked under george h.w. bush
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and appointed u.s. attorney by president obama. he has a strong case. look, this really comes down to the definition of what constitutional authority is in texas. the abuse of power count basically argues that perry took money, allotted to him by the state legislature, and misused it. the coercion count is more interesting. because is this politics or is this hard ball politics? is this a governor of a state who has been in power 14 years using his authority to push out, you know, a political opponent and where does that cross the line between just politics and the law? again, it's tough because austin is the seat of power in texas and yet the travis county is actually very democratic. the local offices are stocked with democrats. the district attorney is a
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democrat. perry has a lot of enemies in travis county. it will just be impossible, christi, to separate politics from this case. one other point on the political front, there is a governor's race to replace perry next year. perry's attorney general, greg abbott, is the republican nominee. he will have to answer questions about this and wendy davis, the national democratic star is making this an issue. democrats are saying perry should resign. >> all right. peter hamby, thank you for breaking this down. >> thanks. new developments this morning in the murder of an american mom in bali. who police have charged with her killing now. not just killing her, but stuffing her body in a suitcase. also, the pope makes a historic trip to asia. look at all the folks here. the message he gave the hundreds of thousands of catholics in south korea.
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we're going to take you live back to ferguson, missouri in a bit. first, nick valencia has the latest. >> the top five stories. iraq's largest hydro electric dam. isis targets struck near the mosul dam. the peshmerga forces say they are working with u.s. forces. two people have been
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arrested and charged with the kidnapping of two amish girls on wednesday. girls were selling vegetables near the family farm when they disappeared. they had been found safe on friday. the girls helped with details to make the arrest by police. the two chicagoans are accused of killing the girl's mother. the cab driver they would be back. the cab driver contacted police after he noticed blood on the suitcase. number four, battered by controversy over treatment of killer whales, seaworld will build new state of the art facilities for orcas. the new exhibits will debut in seaworld san diego in 2018 and followed by parks in texas and
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florida. number five, in seoul, south korea, pope francis has beatified 24 south korean ma martyrs. he said the ancestors willingness to die for the faith is a model. those are the top five stories to get you caught up on "new day saturday." back to you christi. >> thank you, nick. by the way, we will take you back to ferguson, missouri with victor. he is live there as we saw looters overnight. protesters and police c confronting them. all stemming from the killing of an unarmed teenager. the latest is next.
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welcome back to "new day." i'm victor blackwell in ferguson, missouri. daybreak in ferguson. local shop owners started to clean up. overnight, return to the looting and molotov cocktails that exploded across the city earlier in the week. in a distinct turn, protesters were fighting back against the looters and were eventually able to keep them from going into the store for at least a period of time. you know, yesterday, early in the day, i saw five guys walk into that store. it was peaceful at the time.
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they walked in wearing red bandanas and red hats. when they came out, i asked a few questions. listen to their response when i asked simply give me your name. >> first, can i get your names? >> i'm mike brown. >> mike brown. >> mike. >> mike brown. >> you are all saying you are mike brown. that is probably out of solidarity. why? why the red hats and red bandanas. >> it could be anybody. that could be your son or your nephew. that could be anybody. it could have been him. it could have been him. it could have been her. >> do you think anything will change after all the cameras and all the crowds and marches? >> no way. i'm from around here. it has been like this since i was growing up. >> i talked with the man tasked with turning things around.
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captain ron johnson. listen to their exchange. it is stern and honest. so listen. >> i'm going to do what's right. that's what i want to do. >> mr. johnson. >> you want to stay out of my face, i will tell you i'm not. we will make a difference. i'll tell you just like me and you are talking, and are you listening to me, everybody out there is not listening to me. just like you are saying it, everybody is not going to be like me. everybody is not going to try to understand to make a difference. everybody will not be like you. i have to tell you, we have to start with me and we have to start with you. keep doing what you are doing. express your views. keep saying what you are saying. >> i'm joined now by attorney and former law enforcement officer lance larusso. he is the author of "when cops kill." it is good to have you with us. the first question is when does a cop have the right to shoot
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someone? >> one of the questions you have to ask is it is not actually a right. it is an obligation the officer has to protect themselves or third party. the law in certain situations will allow the officer to use deadly force. >> you know, we have been soliciting the questions through twitter. #fergus #fergus #fergusonqs is the feed. how did the cop know anything about the robbery? isn't that prejudicial to the cop's case? shouldn't we know that element? is it something that can be proved? >> i think the simple answer to how the chief knew is he asked the officer. what's going is three investigations to take place. anytime an officer uses deadly force with a death of a person, there is an internal investigation with policy and training. then a concurrent criminal investigation into the death of a person.
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then after that, there will be a prosecutor investigation. a d.a. will present the case to a grand jury. you have the interviewing of the officer and witnesses and looking to see if there are other witnesses. if there is cell phone video or other people coming forward. that is why they are withholding information. when a witness comes forward, they are able to vet that person to determine if they saw something or heard it on the news. >> now, for a lot of people in this community, they question the credibility of the chief and question the credibility of that investigation because things have come out in the rolling disclosure. at some point it hasn't been consistent. talk about the damage to the credibility of a law enforcement officer in the case like this where things are recanted and reinforced and recanted again. in this case, the law enforcement of the community
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turned over to another agency. >> well, so far as the officer's credibility, the officer in the biggest perspective of the criminal aspect, officer wilson is a person being examined to see if use of force was lawful or not. his credibility is not in question, but his actions are in question. so far as the police department releasing information and not releasing information, that is not atypical. i have represented officers before with a great deal of information provided and we followed back up, we realized that the actual witnesses who said they saw something, actually didn't. there is a witness with all the violence, they are not encouraged to come forward. >> i spoke with several people yesterday, lance, and i asked them do they believe that this threat against his life and his family's life is real.
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even people who hope he would not be injured or hurt or retaliation. every single person to the person said yes, they do believe he is in some danger. lance lorusso, thank you very much. we hope nothing happens to the officer. we hope things calm down here. christi, we will send it back over to you in atlanta. it has been a rough night in ferguson. >> okay, thank you victor, so much. we want to talk to you about new u.s. air strikes overnight. the target are isis fighters. they are moving to an important dam near mosul. we have a live report for you next. thisent, fruit topped pastry... ...with indulgent streusel crumble, be from... fiber one. new fiber one streusel. i make a lot of purchases foand i get ass. lot in return with ink plus from chase.
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38 minutes past the hour right now. so grateful for your company. president obama is warning of u.s. air strikes in iraq will continue to drive isis militants out. we know overnight, u.s. war planes struck isis's hydro electric dam. the dam controls the power and water supply for iraq. isis militants captured that dam earlier this month and fear of blowing it up or using it to cut off electricity to some of those in the region. one iraqi engineer calls it a quote, ticking time bomb in the hands of isis. representing a deadly kind of weapon of mass destruction.
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let's talk to douglas olivant. douglas, so glad to have you with us. thank you so much. when we look at this situation with the dam, do you think it is really possible they would use it as a weapon or some are wondering what if they would try to use it as a bargaining chip. isis doesn't seem to be a bargaining type of group to me. >> no, no. they are not in the bargaining business. you are right. they can use the dam, your set-up piece did it well. positively and negatively. on the positive side, it does control the electricity and the water of the entire area. so this puts them in charge of the services that can be provided. anyone who lives around mosul will be forced to deal with the islamic state if they want water or electricity. on the negative side, not only could they blow it up, but the u.s., inspector general for iraq reconstruction published in 2007, a report what your iraqi engineer said.
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it is so poorly constructed it is a ticking time bomb. i'm told they have to take sacks of concrete and throw in the base of the dam every day because it is corroding. by neglecting it, it could be a catastrophe. your model shows all the water that would hit mosul. >> we already have a humanitarian issue there. >> absolutely. >> this is a physical fight that really stems from political roots. we know they are saying you have to have the kurds, the shi'ites and sunnis all in one in order to fight isis. how much, but this is a new government formed here in iraq with all of the modifications to the leaders. how much time do you think they have? >> actually, this government
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isn't formed yet. mr. abadi is still the designate. he had 30 days from the day he was informed and has to get a majority in parliament for the government. we are still in a very transitional phase. we certainly do need all the sects to come together. iraq sunnis, shi'a and kurds to fight isis. i think now we are seeing the initial reports this was largely a sunni rebellion against nuri al maliki's policies. this is belied by the fact they are attacking erbil and kurds. this is an incredibly potent terrorist army that wants to take over the entire region. it is not just about nuri al maliki as we see as they are moving toward erbil and moving toward jordan and lebanon. this is a concern for the entire region. >> they have been able to make
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this much head way in iraq because of the sunni support they garnered along the way. the question is how willing will sunnis be to jump on board with the new government for one and secondly, how free are they to do so? if you have sunnis who are already fighting with isis, are they fighting because they fear them? would they dare get out of that situation to join the government? are they able to do so? >> it's all very complicated. you asked two very good questions to which we don't know the answer. then the third question is, the shi'a and kurds willing to receive into the government people who have been supporting however passively and how much out of desperation the extremist rouge terrorist group. let's not forget putting the iraqi government back together, trust has been lost on all sides for valid reasons. it will take a real act of
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statesmanship to pull all the bodies? >> i think all those who fought in the iraq war and families, they are feeling disheartened. people died so iraq would not be in the situation again. we know we are there for humanitarian reasons, of course, but how deeply embedded at this point or engaged do you think and responsible is the u.s. to continue to move forward in some military fashion? >> i think u.s. is obligated to move forward in a military fashion not for the iraqis, but out of our own self interests. isis or islamic state is a threat to us in the region and to europe and ultimately to the american homeland. so, while i'm all about helping the iraqis, i spent a lot of time in iraq. were this month calmer, we would celebrate or commemorating the
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battle of najah cemetery in august of 2004. we certainly need to help move things forward if not for the iraqis, then for ourselves. >> douglas olivant, thank you so much. good to have you here. >> good morning. >> to find out more about what is happening in iraq, by the way, particularly the plight of the refugees, and it is just heart breaking, log on to cnn.com/impact. we thank you for doing so. meanwhile, the police shooting of the unarmed missouri teen was all the talk on twitter and facebook this week. not all the tweets and posts were correct, though. we will take a look at the dangers of crowd sourcing. that's next.
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good morning. i'm michael smerconish. more than a week since a white police officer shot unarmed michael brown. st. louis continues to rage in anger. we will have insightful voice joining us. we are talking about the indictment of governor rick perry. a lot to share with you at the top of the hour. i hope to see you then. christi. michael, thank you. "smerconish" coming up at 9:00 a.m. eastern. in the aftermath of the michael brown shooting death, millions of people, you, i'm
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sure included took to social media to get some answers. on one hand, sites like facebook and twitter, they did not just help organize protests in ferguson, missouri, but in part for demonstrations across the country. what's more, videos showing the crime scene. they have been shared and viewed around the world. you have the hash tags such as if they gunned me down which went viral because of the outrage of the teen's death. social media failed in a big way, too. you have rumooou rumors and hal that spread like wildlife. then vigilantes spread and we have brett here with us to talk about it. according to reports, the stepmother of the falsely accused police dispatcher is
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scared for her life right now. a year ago, boston marathon, crowd sourcing was a blame. is this the new norm? >> i think this is the new norm unfortunately. you brought up the boston marathon bombing. that is a great example where social media helped and encouraged people to share the photos to piece together that big puzzle and give us answers. again, we got the answers in time. we did not rush to judgment. the times we did rush to judgment, then and again now, we were not necessarily correct. that has happened again in ferguson where social media has stepped in and done a great job of keeping us informed and up to date. giving up the on the ground raw story that we get now with social media. unfortunately, as we go down that rabbit hole, we run into problems whereas you said, the
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wrong people have been brought out and said you are responsible for something that they were not responsible for. it is a difficult challenge and you know, for news people, for cnn, we cannot go on the air and say something until we get it checked. >> we confirm it. >> we confirm something before we say it. social media is a different beast. it is in its infancy and in time, we hope to learn just because one tweet says it doesn't mean it is true. >> that was my question. we talk about the evolution about where we go from here, do you think there will be some laws established to deal with situations like that? so there is a consequence if you threw something out there? >> there should be. there are, you know, defamation of character and libel and slander. all of those are definitely there. this is a slippery slope. any laws we try to put in place, people will complain about freedom of speech. we had the problems already with
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twitter and facebook. when they pull down people's accounts for saying things they deem inappropriate for not to the community standards. people come back and say it is freedom of speech issue. i should say whatever i want. the law also is very, very far behind technology. just in the past few months, we had a supreme court case about cell phones. they are to the point where you can't search someone's cell phone without a warrant. the law is always going to be behind technology. technology advances a lot faster. >> something else a lot of people are talking about today, the fact so little is known about darren wilson, the officer accused of shooting michael brown. we know he there are likely threats out against him. did you find that at 28 there is
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little digital footprint? >> that is unusual. there are ways you can go and remove yourself from the internet. that is a multistep process that you would not accomplish overnight. it would probably take time. google has a good memory. i think it is odd that someone who is 28 has nothing. nothing out there about him that no one knows who he is and he is not in someone's photographs on someone's account or social media. kudos to him if he managed to avoid it all this time. at the end of this, maybe he could sit down and explain to us how he managed to stay out of the spotlight on social media in all ways possible. >> i have a friend who absolutely hates it. you can't find him either. he tells you don't post his picture. he doesn't appreciate it. brett larson, thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. >> we'll be right back. (wom the constipation and belly pain feel tight like a vise.
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