i think one of the important things as relates to us is we must raise the standard of what we expect and what the perception of african-american men. we've got to help america realize that every time you see a black male that you don't automatically think thug, you don't automatically think criminal, you don't automatically think dropout, you don't automatically think threat. so in our church we're raising the bar for our males to say we expect great things. greatness is on the inside of you. we've got to raise that bar and continue to let guys know, boys in particular, that we believe in you, we know greatness resides on the inside of you and that it's our job as mentors, as pastors, as business leaders, law professionals, to bring that out of our males. >> except many of these young men would say i'm not the one responsible for that perception. so i'm not the one, me the black male, is not the one who has to be schooled on how to interpret

me, but instead it's others. so how do you, mr. kelly, get at that? because if it means teaching schooling, helping people retool their thinking on what they see in a young black man, how do you get at that? >> one of the things that the 100 has tried to do is build relationships with local law enforcement here in the atlanta community. so we have what we call a saturday academy and we actually bring in police officers to spend time with our students, because i think one of the key elements is any time you're talking about trust, it comes -- it starts with the relationship and helping officers understand that these are -- these boys are no different than your sons. they have high energy, they want to be able to explore different things, and so when you see an african-american male walking along the street, you don't just naturally assume he's up to no good. so what we've tried to do is bring law enforcement to the

table with the students that we work with to be able to build relationships for them to see them in an environment where they start to hopefully understand that they are just boys with high energy just like any other average teenager. and just remember, you were one of those teenagers at one time. and quite honestly have more of a deference to want to give them a benefit of the doubt than to already prejudge that they're up to something that is no good. >> judge, this is not an overnight fix. >> it is not an overnight fix. and you know, i have seen this from so many different angles as a judge but also as a mother of two young men -- >> one in the 20s and the oar in the 30s. >> right, who have both -- and one in a severe situation, they have been the subject and they have been targeted, as we say, in our communities driving while black. and i have often wondered

frankly what would have happened had an adult not intervened in the situation. in one situation, i might be one of these grieving parents right now. so this is very, very, very, very passionate. i'm very passionate on this issue because i have -- i have raised young black men. having said that, let me quickly tell you that this is -- it's not going to be an overnight fix, but there is going to have to be -- this is a problem that all of us, that all of humanity is going to have to address. we're going to have to address it from the legal situation. we can't continue to give police departments these high caliber weapons without sufficient training and without sufficient observation. i mean when you see these people on the streets treating citizens like we're in a war zone, it is in my mind despicable. >> so, judge, your conversation with your now 20-something and

30-something year old son, what was your conversation with them and at what point did you have the conversation with them that there will be people who interpret you a certain way just by virtue of what you look like. >> absolutely. and i was very quick to say practical things. don't reach for the glove compartment when you're stopped. they're very practical things. keep your hands where they can see them. >> yes, yes. >> get out of the car if you're asked to get out of the car. and i know that my sons are held to a different standard. that is my reality. that is their reality. and wishing it so is not going to make it better. i have to make sure that as a parent i do whatever i can to protect not just my children but all of our children. >> and most families who have a black son in the picture know about this conversation. >> yes. >> but there are some families who perhaps are unaware or don't feel like that conversation has

to be had. but now you're talking about a young man, michael brown, who was not in the car. so all those things you talked about were presuming the child was in the car. now they're walking on the street. what's the conversation with our young men today, especially given this is the springboard of a new conversation, the michael brown case? >> well, it's interesting that you ask that question that way, because i have a 17-year-old son. his name is philip. and three weeks ago, he was driving my vehicle, which happens to be kind of a nice little sports car, and he was pulled over. and in a neighborhood that he -- he was actually near his school. and it was fortunate nothing occurred. it was during the daytime. but the officer said i just want to let you know you've got a light out in the back of your vehicle. and so that was a good situation. but two years ago, he was stopped while walking with two other friends that were

african-american males near his school by an officer saying, you know, are you guys supposed to be in this area? and it was like, yes, you don't belong here. and fortunately, the security for the school stopped by and was able to acknowledge that these were students of that school. so we continue to drill in my case in our family to say that you have to understand unfortunately, and this was a conversation that my parents had with me and unfortunately with my dad. so this is three generations where this same conversation is being -- is happening, and it's 2014. and so it's unfortunate. but you must tell young men, especially african-american men, that they are looked at differently. regardless of their socioeconomic status, because they are just viewed, when they're on the street, as a black male that's potentially up to no good.

>> and pastor wilbur, we saw the ferguson police released the videotape alleging that this was michael brown in this surveillance tape robbing a store. that changed -- or that became a distraction, you know, in the conversation about what took place six days ago and now seven days ago today, but yesterday six days ago of, you know, michael brown being gunned down in the street. does that change the conversation? does the release of that kind of information, this videotape, change the conversation that you will have with young men who were at this mentoring class at your church? >> no, it does not. i think you used a perfect word, distraction. the issue is michael brown still deserved civil rights. >> absolutely. >> the reality is it was broad daylight. the reality is he's 18. the reality is his hands were in the air. and so this officer is a trained -- he's trained to do --

i assume that he's trained to do what he does. and so again, the conversation -- we do have to come alongside parents and the church has to begin to say -- have the same kinds of conversations. like tomorrow, at our church my message has totally shifted. it's not about whatever i was going to preach about seven days ago. >> what's your message now? >> it's how to i keep peace with the police. i'm going to give a ten-point message about how do african-american boys and girls, how do we when we're stopped, when we are stopped by police, how do we keep peace with the police. how do i survive a 15, 20-minute stop so that now the next day i'm going to college as opposed to planning for a funeral. >> and i also have to say that we have to remind all people in this nation that we are a nation with laws.

and that even -- even if there is someone who is fleeing a scene as a suspect, that does not mean that you have street side justice. that person is entitled to the benefit of the justice system that should be brought in and i am still convinced that whatever the circumstances are, that there was a way to have stopped him -- >> to diffuse the situation. >> to diffuse the situation. and the last time i checked, the standards are that you use your weapon as a last resort and that you only shoot to kill if you believe that you are immediately in threat of being killed. >> so given that, do you trust the -- there are several investigations here. >> yes. >> there's the investigation of the shooting death, the investigation of the alleged robbery, the shooting death of -- i mean the investigation

of the police, whether that officer acted appropriately. do you have confidence in the investigations that look at how these events transpired involving an officer, whether the officer acted appropriately, whether the police department is acting appropriately? >> well, i think the good news is the justice department is involved, the fbi is involved. they are independent agencies that obviously are not based in ferguson. so that provides some objectivity to be involved in this investigation. so i feel better that we have those agencies alongside the ferguson police doing the investigation. but i will tell you that the important point that i would like to make at this point, these officers are being supported by the taxpayers of that community. and they should all, no matter what color they are, should feel that those officers are there to

protect and to serve. and in this case -- >> all of the citizens. >> all of the citizens. >> yes. >> and in this case, as the facts at this point, it is a question of whether that officer was really looking to protect and serve, especially given the distance that he was away from michael brown, 35 feet. at that time using his weapon. so from my perspective, i feel good that fbi, department of justice is also involved. >> may i just make the distinction a little bit. the justice department, though, is not investigating the actual act. that's an important distinction for all of us to remember. >> it's a civil right investigation. >> whether his civil rights -- but i do agree that i think it's great that they're all involved. but they're just really going to be investigating whether michael brown's civil rights were violated. >> we also can't let this die. a lot of times something like

this will occur and we get all in an uproar and, you know, two weeks, two months, once it comes off the news, our commitment to making sure that justice takes place wanes. we've got to make sure that we keep it on the front page. >> we'll leave it there, pastor purvis. thanks to all of you, we appreciate it. we'll have much more right after this. ce ♪ ♪ so nice, so ni-i-i-ce ♪ st. croix, full of pure vibes ♪ ♪ so nice, so ni-i-i-ce ♪ st. john, a real paradise ♪ so nice, so ni-i-i-ce ♪ proud to be from the virgin islands ♪ ♪ and the whole place nice to experience your virgin islands nice, book one of our summer packages today.

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travis county and the governor threatened to with withhold upwards of $7 million from an anti-corruption unit that she was running after she was busted for a dwi back in april, 2013. she did not step down and governor perry reportedly followed through with that threat, withholding money. t they say governor perry will have to report to the travis county jail to be booked and fingerprinted and take a mug shot. he will reportedly be able to continue on with his governorship for the time being, but his attorneys are speaking out. they released a statement to cnn saying, quote, we will continue to aggressively defend the governor's lawful and constitutional action and believe we will ultimately prevail. they went on to say this is political in nature and does not have a foundation to stand on. governor perry is expected to address the media at 3:00 p.m. eastern. fred?

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we're now just moments away from hearing from texas governor rick perry. he is expected to respond to being indicted by a grand jury on two felony charges. this is the front page of the austin american statesman today. take a look. perry indicted for veto threat. he faces two felony charges, one on coercion and one on abuse of office. joining me right now is cnn's national political reporter peter hamby in washington. so, peter, this can't be good news. of course he has not been convicted, this is strictly an indictment, meaning the case can go forward, but what is it that the governor is likely to say in this 3:00 scheduled press conference? >> well, we've already gotten signals from perry's legal team that they're going to fight these charges aggressively. i expect perry to come out and say this is -- you know, these

are charges in a democratic county, travis county is where this grand jury was 'em impanelled. that county is a fleck of blue in a sea of red. it's a hub of liberalism in the state. the travis county district attorney who runs the public integrity in the state has often clashed with perry and the republicans who have power in the state house in texas. so i expect him to come out strong. we've already seen other republicans rally to his side. ted cruz, who's actually not, you know, one of perry's best friends, to put it lightly, already came out attacking this indictment saying that it's flimsy. we've even seen a tweet today from david axelrod, president obama's former adviser, who also said these charges seem kind of sketchy. so the perry team is already kind of winning the message war here and i expect perry to just keep hammering what we've just been talking about in this

pressner a few minutes, fred. >> and is the feeling that the governor is coming out as quickly as this because, you know, he feels like these allegations are flimsy because he may potentially run again for president or simply because it really is taking a direct stab at the way in which he is conducting business as the head of state? >> i mean it's all of those things. first of all, the perry team are very confident that this veto threat was well within his constitutional authority. the governor of texas has the right to veto money for an office, especially in the case of a district attorney who was arrested for drunk driving. and secondly, yes, of course your point, fred, is absolutely the case. perry is very likely to run for president. he needs to get out ahead of this, define it on his own terms. really kind of right this. because while he might not be in total legal jeopardy, we don't know yet, this still is a

political headache for him about a lot of potential land mines and he's got to address it quickly because he's going to new hampshire next weekend. he's going to south carolina to meet with republican activists after that. it's going to be in the news and we're going to get our first glimpse today of how he's going to frame his response to this, fred. >> all right, what timing. peter hamby, thanks so much in washington. appreciate that. we'll be back with much more in the newsroom after this. wellw a lot of food. we also waste about a third of what we grow. so, we put our scientists to work. and they found ways to keep the food we grow fresher, longer. using innovative packaging. there are still a lot of hungry people in the world. but we have a lot of scientists. this is the human element at work. dow.

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