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this curfew? >> the best way for any -- >> captain johnson? >> we'll hear from him. we'll hear from him. we're here -- you know -- the best way for us to get peace is for everybody to help to make sure that have been gets home safe tonight at 12:00 and gets a good, solid five hours sleep before they get up tomorrow morning. and we're going to -- the captain -- >> sleep is not an option, governor nixon. we want justice. >> why is the focus on security and not getting justice? why is there no arrests? >> we want justice! >> and why was the police officer -- >> if we want justice -- for
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those that -- i'll let you -- just a second. i'll let you yell at me next. if we -- if we want -- >> one question at a time, please. >> all right, bro. >> if we want justice, we cannot be distracted. we must be focused on making sure that people are allowed their first amendment rights but we do so in a peaceful fashion. we cannot have looting and crimes at night. we can't have people fearful -- >> we can't have police officers killing people! >> the question is, how do you plan to enforce the curfew? >> rubber bullets -- >> do you want to go? >> governor, last night -- >> please hold your questions. >> i understand.
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>> governor, last night -- >> there's another question on the floor that i have -- >> if -- >> wait a minute, wait a minute. >> you wait. >> with their own firearms. will we have police guarding our homes and businesses? >> first here and then there. go ahead. >> i'm going to talk to the gentleman here that asked the question first. and i'm going to tell you that what we're doing now is not who we are. oit not who we are. yelling at each other is not going to solve that. we're all talking about the same concerns and the same passion. the frustration that's in your home is in my home. it's in my home. and i've given you all the answers that i know, and i'm going to continue to give you that. i don't care who you are, how old you are, and i don't care if
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you were peaceful protesters last night or a rioter rioting, you'll still get the same answers. tonight we will enforce it with curfew. we won't enforce it with trucks and tear gas. we'll communal kate and tell you, do you know what, it's time to go home. it's time to go home. you haven't seen a heavy-handed approach. last night things were different that precipitated that, somebody standing in the street, there won't be an armored truck come out. you saw people sitting in the street and they had a chance to get up. and that's the way it will continue. >> captain johnson. >> here. >> why are the police killing our children? start there! >> we'll answer one question at a time. >> were you not aware -- even though you were in command, were you aware that s.w.a.t teams were being deployed? did you know about it?
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>> yes, i did. >> did you give that order? >> you ordered the tear gas? >> no. can i answer your question? >> did you order it? >> can i answer your question? >> let him answer the question. >> there are reports that this happened without you knowing it. that's what i'm asking. >> let me answer the question. >> okay. all right. >> last night we had several officers that were trapped in a parking lot. they tried to get out. we sent an armored vehicle to help them out. we sent two armored vehicles to help them out. we had three officers injured. one officer deployed one can of tear gas. he was there. he made that decision. i got a call on the phone and i said i'm back en route. i got back out of my bed and i went on route and i said make sure we are not going to use any force that's not necessary, and it was one can that got out. the officers got out. i removed those officers out. and the next thing that you saw was a group of officers standing on the roadway and, yes, that happened.
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and -- >> why won't they release a picture of the officer that killed michael brown? >> ma'am, that is not a part of my investigation, listen, and we cannot answer that. we cannot answer that. because that's -- listen, listen -- >> would you be willing to work with the groundskeepers so we can communicate with you that the ones who intend to keep peace are there and the ones who don't are gone? we had a person to make contact and can we have direct contact with someone so we can say all -- >> yes, you can. i've seen you out on the street. and i've seen you out with those gentlemen, with the red bandanas on their face and i walked up to you and i talked to them. some were angry, but i listened. i didn't walk away. i've talked to you every night and i've talked to them every night. and i will continue to do that. we will be in this together. >> will you provide for our leader, a two-way radio so we
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can say all the peacekeepers are out before any additional action is taken? >> we're not using a two-way radio but i can tell you when i'm on the ground, you can talk with me, you can talk with me. you can be seen with me. >> after everyone is not gone, how do we find you to let you know that all those who intend to keep peace are gone and those who don't intend to keep peace are saying? >> asleep in bed. >> not asleep until we get justice. >> we'll talk. we'll talk. >> on the street until we get justice for mike brown. >> okay. the gentleman -- we got a question -- i'm going to get -- you're next. you're next. you're next. >> stick with the question. >> you're next. we're next. let's answer this question first. >> one more second. this is very important.
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>> answer the question. answer the question. >> hold it. hold it. hold it. >> why aren't you answering my question? >> can we work together? i'll get with you tonight. >> people in this room have a lot of questions right now and a lot of residents are asking questions directly. we're going to see if we can talk with the captain along with the governor after this news conference when things calm down in this room. >> thanks to you and my organizers along with the new black panther party and the nation of islam [ inaudible ] and we control the flow of traffic. and i personally set down the avenue at 2:00 and [ inaudible ] on thursday night. on thursday night. okay, so, so you were there. you witnessed that. and so what i'm saying is
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tonight the curfew is 12:00 midnight seemed to be a tight curfew heline that could be a prescription for confrontation. and i don't know anything that's easy about asking people to leave at that time as you may believe it to be, so what i'm saying is right now we'll organize that we have at least 100, 150 men working with the various organizations i just named and the national action network to make sure that this doesn't deteriorate into a situation where everybody's tear gassed, demonstrators look bad and it turns that way. is there any way that the curfew could be pushed back some and that there are some -- this is some dialogue here or some rules of engagement? because i don't believe that the police can enforce the curfew
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without a confrontation. but i do know that the forces that are under our command can bring this to a conclusion. is there any way we can get our message out and also able to bring this to a decent conclusion? >> can i -- okay. okay. okay. >> specific question is -- my specific question is, can the time be extended some? >> grace. >> can the burden to end the demonstration tonight, can that be on us so that we don't have what happened last night. because it was falsely reported on friday morning that it just ended by magic. it did not end by magic on thursday night it ended because we ended it and we have the rapport with the demonstrators. they respect us. and we can talk to them and get them to leave. every time the police show up, they converge and [ inaudible ]
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>> can i -- let me -- we will talk. i will talk with you. i will talk with you. i'm going to answer -- i'm trying. i'm trying. can i answer your question? >> yes, sir. >> first of all, i want to say that those groups that he talked about that helped us on thursday night, he's absolutely correct and when i met with the governor that next day, i said i do not know the name of those groups, and i said, but they were gentlemen in black pants and black shirts and i said they got out there and they did their job. and i told that to the governor, and i'll tell that to the nation. those groups helped and they're a part of this. and the curfew is going to stand but i ask that you still help us and get it out. we have citizens that live in homes, elderly citizens that live in homes with kids and kids are going to school that said we've got to have our rest. we got to have our rest. we're angry. i may not be able to get out of my home and protest and i don't
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want to stop that, and what they're thanking me for is we're allowing them to voice their opinion. and i walked up today, there was a motorcycle group out here who said you tell us what time. you tell us what time. ask that you help us. and i'm going to tell you that we can't do it. we can't do it. there was a gentleman in the crowd, saying captain johnson, great job. boy, you turned this around. you had the crowd gone. he said, well, captain johnson, you go ahead and do it he said because we were out there. and i said you're right, captain johnson did not do it. you did it. and it was some of the young men that was helping you. and i appreciate it. >> governor, governor, governor -- >> we couldn't call 911. we couldn't call star 55. nobody was able to respond from 3:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. when the citizens that you're asking to help you, we called 911, we called the county, we called the local police and everybody was pushing the buck. it's, like, we're chasing our
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tail. you're asking us to help but we don't know how to help. >> can i answer that? and that's why we're going to clear those streets because we did have citizens who called and we were unable to get to them. we're going to clear the streets so we can handle the cases. as a matter of fact, we're in the back room talking about 911 and people are calling 911 and not getting their calls and we talked about that. the representative talked about where should they call? and i said you have them call 911 and you'll see a state patrol car or a county police car get there and that's why we have to clear those streets. i know you're trying but people get sick at 1:00 in the morning, people get sick at 2:00 in the morning and we're going to do that and do that. let's work and get this part done and see what gains we can make. and i can tell you this -- this -- this morning -- this morning we talk about investigation. you talking about the governor -- listen, listen, can
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you get somebody else to investigate? he's been all the way to the white house and you saw 40 fbi agents out there today. they're coming by. they're giving cards -- that's what they're doing. they were there today. they sent these cards. i brought these cards. i asked the agent, i want you to give me a card so everybody can know they exist. >> why hasn't darren wilson been indicted? answer the question! >> why don't you start an investigation? >> how long will -- >> stop killing our people, police! stop it now! >> if i could please -- >> will you allow observance to be on the street to make sure that -- to make sure that there are no abuses after the curfew? will the media be allowed out to report after curfew? will you allow legal observers, will you allow media on the streets to report after curfew? >> police attacked us last night. police attacked women and children last night.
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they attacked them. we kept them from attacking them. they attacked them. there was a bunch of fire. this is not working. place are attacking. >> the question is, governor, will the media be out in the streets. >> you already know that. >> they attacked us. the police attacked us, the group. >> governor nixon, how long will the curfew last? answer that question, please. >> excuse me, can you explain to me why -- >> let me answer this one first. >> focus on controlling the anger of the people when the whole reason the people are in the treats f s the treats ftreets now for a we is people are demanding justice and there has been no arrest. there has been no indictment and people know that this poor child, this 18-year-old young man, was killed in cold blood -- >> assassinated.
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>> -- and there has been no arrest and people are demanding justice and that's why people are in the street and now this whole press conference has been turned into an explanation of why you are controlling people's anger, suppressing people's anger and telling people to calm down. why is that? >> yeah! yeah. >> question over here. our hope is that -- that we'll get situational awareness tomorrow morning. our hope is that with the help of all that tonight will be more peaceful night than last night while allowing the appropriate emotions and energies and allowing folks to speak out. >> what's stopping you from indicting? >> the second question. >> let him answer the question, please. >> the second question and then i'll -- >> i have a question. >> just let him anxioswer the ft one. >> yes, sir. >> our full hope and expectation
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is that, you know -- >> speak with your chest, bro. >> let him talk. >> you can't interrupt while he's trying to answer. >> i can't hear him. >> clearly media has a role in helping here. and clearly -- >> answer about the length. >> we'll get situational awareness tomorrow morning and we'll make a decision. we're going to watch this one day at a time. this is -- this is not normal. and our hope was that we return back to a peaceful normal. >> but killing our children is normal at the hands of the police! >> governor nixon, that's not -- >> can somebody answer that question, please? >> i'm going to call on representative pierson. >> what about the media? >> listen, listen -- >> answer the question. >> no, excuse me. excuse me, if you would. excuse me.
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>> why can't these officers be in front of all these entrances and instead of putting the curfew on these people put officers in front of us. >> that's not going to work. >> stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. that is not going to work. >> slide to the right. slide to the right. >> we got to get a legitimate answer to the question. >> no, no, hush. let me tell you this. >> go ahead. go ahead. >> let me explain. >> quickly. >> putting police officers in front of those businesses -- listen, just listen. put officers in front of the buildings where all of the demonstrators are, the demonstrators are going to converge on the officers. the officers are going to take a posture against the
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demonstrators and then we're going to have a big row. the issue is we can control the security situation ourselves. i'm going to ask for an extension of the curfew, but within the zone we have enough manpower to let our people get their message out and you said the time is too tight. >> let me suggest to captain johnson -- >> yes, sir. >> let me suggest to captain johnson that he work with you -- that he work with you on some leeway and some time, you know, but let me -- let me make a point, too. >> yes, sir. >> i've heard a lot of concern about prosecution. and let me clear up some facts for you. >> we can't hear you. >> can you hear me now? let me clear up some facts about prosecution of this case. first of all, on monday i asked attorney general eric holder to
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take over the entire case and to prosecute it as a civil rights violation. and i will continue to pursue that. but i think for some in this room your anger is misdirected. on a state charge of murder, the county prosecutor files the charges. now, so if you -- >> let's go to -- >> i agree with you. i am willing to go. i agree with you. i agree with you. but he hasn't filed the charges and it's very -- wait a minute. it's very peculiar that the victim -- i'd rather we get -- i would rather that we get to all the facts. let the process go forward and let the feds prosecute. because you're not going to get a fair trial in st. louis county with the -- with this scenario.
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>> white lies! >> real quickly. >> no justice! >> i want to -- one thing for the press. one thing for the press. one thing for the press. one thing for the press. please. captain johnson will define a media staging area that you can get to that will allow you then to have access to the zone tonight to make sure that transparency is carried out during this process. he will have a staging area that will then allow folks to get in. we want to make sure as we're doing this that there's transparency during the entirety of the process. i can guarantee you that captain johnson will make that staging area available and make sure that members of the press have access to openly and fairly record, openly and fairly see and openly and fairly show the country, the world, whoever, what's going on. thank you all very much. >> what about justice for michael brown? don't shoot. don't shoot. don't shoot. >> all right, you have just been
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listening to a lengthy press conference there. not really a press conference a community gathering at a local church there in ferguson, missouri. you're still hearing the audio of residents, community members there, very upset demanding more answers. the big headline the governor there of missouri, jay nixon, announcing a state of emergency in ferguson, also instituting immediately a curfew that will begin tonight at midnight central time. it will be extended until 5:00 in the morning. the governor there calling this a day-to-day situation. how long this is going to last, they don't know. the governor is saying that it is necessary to do this to remain focused so that they can do a thorough investigation. throughout this you had members of the audience yelling out saying we want justice, really upset, some of them, that there have been no arrests made in the killing by the officer of michael brown. we'll have full coverage of this by our teams on the ground straight ahead. ♪ [music] jackie's heart attack didn't come with a warning.
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purchase any new verizon wireless smartphone or tablet from comcast. visit comcast.com/wireless to learn more welcome back. we're tracking very big developments in ferguson, missouri, the governor of missouri has just declared a state of emergency there and we have also just learned that a curfew will be in effect in ferguson starting tonight to try to quell tensions on the streets of that town in the wake of the shooting death of 18-year-old michael brown. captain ron johnson with the missouri state highway patrol who has been tasked with safety and security in ferguson says that curfew will begin tonight at midnight central time. it will last until 5:00 a.m. he says also about 40 fbi agents have been canvassing the neighborhoods there going door
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to door trying to talk to more witnesses of this shooting. this comes after ferguson's fragile peace crumbled during last night's protests. we saw looters striking businesses. police, man of them in riot gear, mostly stood to the tied and watched and did not intervene. i want to go to our team on the ground now. we have full coverage. jason carroll is in ferguson who has been on the story from the beginning, paolo sandoval was in the meeting and trial lawyer karen conte joins us this hour from chicago. polo, you were there, you saw the people asking questions. describe to us what the scene was like. because what we heard was a lot of anger. we want justice. people calling for the arrest and indictment of that officer who shot and killed michael brown. what was it like inside? >> reporter: i could tell you, poppy, it was extremely tense. clearly governor jay nixon here
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was trying to convey the message of how they plan to maintain the security of the people in ferguson, it was very difficult to get that message across as several members of the public, several brown family supporters would often yell out the questions and demanding the justice that you mentioned there, demanding that officer darren wilson be charged, obviously indicted here. a lot of these individuals really expressing their anger, their frustration, and trying to keep the focus, keep the spotlight on that issue. meanwhile, governor nixon and also the head of the missouri state police trying to focus the attention, though, on what is that curfew that you mentioned there, a 12:00 to 5:00 a.m. curfew that's expected to be in place tonight. one of the main questions that was being asked by some of the members of the public here is exactly how the missouri state police planned to enforce that curfew. there were some concerns here, in a very aggressive manner for captain ron johnson, the head of that agency, ensuring that really it will be on a one on
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one basis. the officers will be asking individuals to get off the streets as opposed to really those violent confrontations that we saw in the previous days. but in the meantime you can clearly see it's a very emotional, emotional space here right now the moments following. >> absolutely, polo, appreciate it. jason, you've been there throughout this. you were on the streets. we heard a lot of anger from the people when they announced the curfew, saying, please extend it, make it longer. how are you going to enforce this. captain ron johnson saying we are not going to use tear gas or force, we'll talk to the people on the streets. what you know from the people on the ground there, is it going to work? are they going to go home at midnight? >> reporter: we'll have to see if it's going to work. that's the only thing you can say in a situation like this is wait and see. i do want to give this some perspective here, poppy, what you were really hearing during that press conference is decades and decades of frustration that has built up in this community. that's what you're really
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hearing during that press conference. it's frustration and it's anger. it's a lack of trust with the police department, with government officials. this is a community that has felt disenfranchised for quite a long period of time and that's what you really saw during that lengthy press conference there. but having said that, a number of people have come out here to demonstrate peacefully, but you still have these pockets of agitators are that are roaming within these groups and causing trouble. so law enforcement really at this point has no choice. they have to do something about these people who are coming out here to cause trouble. and so, that's why you have the curfew. that's why you saw so much anger there because what you're now having are people who are saying this needs to be focused solely on the investigation. stop focusing on the small groups of people, but law enforcement has to do that. the governor said it best. he said perhaps if you want to have justice, he said, we must also have peace. so want you to listen to a
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little bit more of what the governor had to say or at least tried to say just a short while ago. >> all right. it sounds like -- jason, it sounds like we don't have that sound. we're turning it around so we can replay it to people. to reset 5:00 p.m. eastern time on cnn. we are following these breaking developments that the governor of missouri has announced a state of emergency in ferguson and instituted a curfew there starting at midnight tonight until 5:00 a.m. in the morning because those protests became violent and looting happened once again last night. let's bring back in jason carroll on the ground there for us and karen conte. before i get back to you, jason, karen, to you listening. i hope you were able to hear that long, really community town hall meeting at a church there in ferguson. can you talk to us about, you know, what we could see

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