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my son goodbye. never saw him again. p in tin two weeks i becamt of a murdered child. and i'll always. i still have the heart ache and the rage. i waited years for justice. i know what it is like to be there waiting for some answers. and over those years i learned to do one thing really well. and that's how to catch these
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[ bleep ] and bring them back to justice. i've become a manhunter. i'm out there looking for bad guys. >> a foot and light-hearted, i take to the open road. the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. henceforth i ask not good fortune. i mite myself am good fortune. henceforth i whimper no more. postpone no more. need nothing. strong and content. i travel the open road.
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company that work in this area growing trees. so there's a whole series of forestry fire towers. in fact, all across the state. about 12:40 p.m. on march 2, 1976, a ranger on highway 94 observed a fire. he was under the impression it was a disposal of a fire animal. he received a call through the state radio system requesting our assistance. a shovel to one side. there was a red gas can.
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it was like someone dropped everything, set on it fire and fled. i did not realize at that point it was going to get much, much worse. i would see a leg sticking out, an arm, shoes. it was human beings in this hole. we took the first two bodies off. there was another body. we removed the third body and then there was another body. how many bodies can be in this hole? finally after the fifth one, we found the bottom of the hole, thank god.
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no one knew who these people were. we were thinking, why are not we having reports in about people missing in. >> in the old days, it was pretty pre historic. there was no social media no, dna. but they worked the case really hard. ultimately the only thing we could look at was a tag on a shovel that was like a price tag that had a partial name on it. >> this was the fires that was started. this tag right here. all you can make out. you see ochhd.
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in '76 when they found this, that's the only clue they had. we did not have any stores in north carolina that edged in och hardware. so myself and another agent left north carolina inquiring about having any hardware stores with those letters in the name. every department bent over backwards to try to help us. they just didn't have any information. then we went to the metropolitan police in washington, d.c., and they were familiar with a store in potomac, maryland, and the name of the store was poch, p-o-c-h hardware. >> investigators speak to the hardware store owner. they post a flyer at the hardware store of the victims.
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they only put four of the victims on the flyer because one was so badly injured. >> at that point we didn't know how to proceed in that area, and myself and the agent returned back to north carolina. >> one thing that i've learned firsthand unequivocally, it only takes one small tip to break open a case. the public is the biggest resource that law enforcement has. and in this case, a good citizen did the right thing and really drew attention to that little house in bethesda, maryland. >> the neighbors said they hadn't seen the family in a week, and the papers and mail were backing up. normally the family would actually tell the neighbors that they were going out of town, they were going somewhere.
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>> i received a call on the police radio, i was working that beat, and they told me to go to the residence on williston drive in bethesda. as soon as i got in there, the whole thing was just, you know, awful to even look at. just blood dripping down and pooling up on the floor. it was like a horror house. >> montgomery county authorities picked up the flyer that we had left at poch hardware, and the neighbors identified it as the bishop family. >> the whole family was
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described repeatedly by a number of people as being the perfect foreign service family. brad bishop, rising star in the state department, trophy children, beautiful wife, talented. bishop's mother living with them. >> the victims of the crime were bishop's mother, lobelia bishop, who was 68 years old. annette bishop, who was 37 years old, william bradford bishop iii, who was 14 years old, brenton bishop, who was 10 years old, and jeffrey bishop, who was 5 years old. >> but brad bishop was gone. and nobody knows where he went. >> he certainly had the experience of traveling the
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world. >> he was working a desk job and didn't like being penned into an office and crowded. >> you've got a man who couldn't amam rich. my social circle includes captains of industry, former secretaries of state, oil tycoons, and ambassadors of countries known for their fine cheeses. yes i am rich. that's why i drink the champagne of beers.
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five members of the same family, killed in one incident. >> i couldn't believe it. they were great people. they were beautiful people. lobelia, she's the one i knew the best. she was that great grandmother that everyone would love to have had. they were all the time ready to pitch in and help cook a meal, so-and-so. watch the children so you could go to a movie. she was a nurturer, trying to make his life easier, her son. >> he was the most unlikely suspect. he belonged to the right country club. he had the three beautiful boys in a very nice school. he was well respected. but it is police work 101. they started looking at brad bishop right away, because he wasn't with the rest of the
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family. >> the foreign service in those days was what they call male, tail and yale. very few women, very few minorities and a lot of ivy leaguers and brad bishop was all of those. >> nobody ever denied brad was smart but he was always rather definitive. this is my opinion, it's the correct opinion, and after all, i'm a graduate of yale and middlebury. >> he received quick promotions. he was posted to italy, after that to africa, to be the number two in the embassy. >> when you are sent to an embassy in another part of the world, you have status. it's limousines, it's drivers, it's a beautiful residence and you're treated with respect. >> but it's an up or out system. if you don't get promoted to a
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certain grade within a certain number of years, then you are let go. we all take that very seriously in the foreign service. brad bishop took it much more seriously than i guess the rest of us did. >> they were coming back to washington. and lobelia was so happy because her grandchildren would discover that they were american. right? the hot fudge sundaes and the hot dogs and the little league. >> but for brad bishop, being posted back here in washington was a bit of a shocker. >> he was not happy with his job. he didn't like being penned into an office. >> he had financial pressures. it's easier to live overseas financially. >> his mother was financing a lot of their lifestyle.
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but his mother was running out of money. >> he would look forward to his next assignment being posted overseas. but annette, brad's wife, was getting very much attached to living in suburban washington. so brad bishop obviously was under pressure. >> he actually purchased a motorcycle because he liked to be alone, he liked the privacy of being on a motorcycle, the solitude. >> it wasn't crucial at that point in his career that he would be promoted to the next rank, but in his own mind, it was everything.
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he felt he had to get promoted. >> bishop's wife that morning spent three hours with an acquaintance saying, i need to find work, we're in serious financial straits here. >> brad bishop ran into several people at the office that day, and he was short-tempered, he's angry that morning. finally tells his supervisor he doesn't feel well and that he's going home. >> i was on my way back to the state department at the 21st street entrance, and suddenly, there in front of me is brad bishop. i said, you look like you've lost your best friend. he said, i didn't get promoted, it's now official. i said, well, i didn't, either. he said but i'm far more deserving than you. i said, well, why don't you just
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go home and get in bed and we can get together next week. and i just stood there watching him leave. but there was never a next week. >> he had definitely made the decision at that point what he was going to do. >> how can a man like this turn dark? >> people just don't snap overnight. he had been building up to this. he was filled with that anger and rage. a body at rest tends to stay at rest...
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brad bishop, when he did not get promoted, he was devastated. on march 1st, 1976, he checked out of the state department in the afternoon, got in his station wagon. he drove to a mall in maryland, suburban washington. >> it was approximately 6:00 p.m. that bishop is spotted in the sears department store where
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he purchases a two and a half pound mini mall sledgehammer. bishop walked away from the counter, then came back with a gas can and purchased that. then went and filled his family station wagon with gas and also filled the gas can. >> a young lady stayed with the bishop family a number of days earlier, and they would have family dinner at the same time pretty much every day. but he never said anything at the dinner table. he was quiet. he was aloof. on march the 1st, after dinner, mr. bishop's mother takes the dog out for a walk. neighbors actually see her out that evening walking the dog.
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>> the wife was downstairs in a study area. >> two of the boys were in one room in their pajamas. the teenager is actually in his own room. >> he then used that mini hammer, that sledgehammer, and used it to bludgeon to death his wife first. >> they found her notes there on the shag carpet submerged in a pool of blood. >> one of her earrings was found in the study on the floor. >> once he had killed her, he took her back into the master bedroom, laid her on the bed, then you go upstairs and you see where the 14-year-old son was murdered. blood everywhere. >> he did not have a background of criminality or violence, so how could somebody who's very
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much like myself turn dark? >> people just don't snap overnight. he had been building up to this. he was filled with that anger and rage, and went room by room by room. >> you go in where those two little boys slept -- it seemed like all three of them were pretty good athletes because on the wall were ribbons from awards that they had won all splattered with blood.
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>> jeffrey was bludgeoned in the top bunk bed. >> the hammer marks on the ceiling was the thing i'll never forget. the number of marks that were in there, you know how many times he must have hit his son. >> and then when his mother returned home -- >> lobelia, if she was out walking the dog and came in, the place was right, did he meet her at the door and did she say oh, brad, what a surprise and he went to hit her with a hammer? i don't know. >> she ducked into the bathroom, tried to lock herself in there, thinking she might be safe. >> i can't understand it.
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what did he look like, his face? right? distorted? calm? i can't -- i can't see his face. i just see this powerful shouldered man with a hammer. kicking in a door. but i see lobelia, the terror in her heart, the world turned upside down. >> same thing, with a hammer blow to the head. >> he beat his family to death. what did he do next? he took a shower. because all they were to brad bishop was an impediment. he felt that this is just baggage to keep me from the life
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that i deserve. and he got rid of that baggage in the most horrible way. >> he then collected the bodies of all of his family members and he put them in the station wagon. >> there's a wonderful poem by yeats. love is a crooked thing, there's none that knows all that's in it for one would be thinking of love til the sun ran away and the shadows covered the moon. but the line, oh, love is a crooked thing. didn't he love his children? love is a crooked thing. there's none that knows all that's in it. right?
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>> brad bishop is a malignant narcissist. after this type of murder, often the person has a sense of wellbeing and you would never dream in a thousand years that they had just killed somebody. why? because they just took off 50 pounds of emotional weight off their shoulders. no guilt at all. absolutely none. >> from this hour, i ordain myself loosed of limits and imaginary lines. >> bishop had a journal and in the first page he writes a passage from the walt whitman poem "song of the open road."
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there are a lot of statements in there about being master of your own destiny, not letting people hold you back. going where i list, my own master, total and absolute. >> it's also this man force striding his way across the landscape. smiting trees in his way. the east and the west are mine. there's a tremendous ego, i don't need anything, i will take a sledgehammer and hammer anything in my way. >> the stale cadaver blocks up the passage. the burial waits no longer. >> he drove 275 miles south, then to a state road, then to a
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rural road, then the logging road wasn't even on the maps. truly, you don't just find this spot happenstance. he had to have been down there before. >> he dug a shallow grave. >> he just didn't dig this hole in 15 minutes. it took some time to dig three feet deep. >> he then placed all of the bodies of his family members in that shallow grave. >> it was jeffrey on the bottom, brenton, annette, william
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bradford iii, then lobelia. >> the murder is not over when the victims die. the murder's over after he has finally sated his anger against them. >> he's still killing them even after they're dead. why he burned the bodies, i just don't know. he could have buried them deeper and covered them up, and who
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knows if they ever would have been found. >> well, you see, it doesn't count unless somebody sees it. he's making a statement, i, william bradford bishop, am in control. these are my family members. i did it. screw you. bye. >> with the forestry tower only being about a mile, we probably got there not long after the perpetrator had left. >> and there was evidence of a peel-out of a car, so they just missed each other. >> approximately two and a half hours south of the grave site,
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bishop was observed in a store, and he purchased a pair of low top tennis shoes. >> he had to get rid of his actual shoes because they were covered by blood and other material. and then he uses his credit card to identify himself at a store that he has to know that we're going to find. >> they found the station wagon at the great smoky national park in a parking lot. >> he didn't clean out the car, either. all the evidence was left in the car. >> they found dog biscuits. they found a bottle of an antidepressant drug. the spare tire well was filled with blood, caked blood. >> he had a shotgun in the car, shotgun shells, but he left them behind. i believe he was carrying a revolver with him when he walked away from the park. >> it was good police work.
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they were right behind him. they were breathing down his neck. that's what everybody thought. >> for days, we conducted a very extensive search. >> we checked every hotel, unidentified bodies that were found all the way up through the appalachians. >> but in retrospect, everybody, everybody underestimated the intelligence and cunning of brad bishop. >> he just disappeared, vanished. nobody knows where he went. nobody knows. >> i just impulsively said, "you're brad bishop." and he began trembling and shaking, and turned and ran. hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico® credit score. yup, you get it free each month to help you avoid surprises with your credit. good. i hate surprises.
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their own mother. >> montgomery county sheriff's department, they believe bishop's family deserves justice. never going to give up on this case. because he is still out there. >> oftentimes when people aren't found quickly, people speculate. there's been a lot of speculation over the years, but what i want to stress is that we need to deal in facts. >> we reopened the case back in the early '90s. we have looked at every single lead that has ever come in and every witness. one of the things we did was we actually went to the state department and looked at bishop's personnel file. we found a letter that was sent by a known bank robber by the name of bankston. >> so brad bishop, an official
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in the u.s. government, had been in correspondence with a convict. now, why? >> bankston claimed bishop was trying to get somebody else to actually commit the murders. bishop was in europe at one point and thought that his family would be murdered, but he came home and they were all still alive. and then when bishop said, hey, you didn't do this, why not? they said well, you're not getting your money back and we're not committing the murders. >> he was with the southern mafia, bankston. bankston told us you don't go around killing children. he was laughing at bishop. we don't do that. >> but unfortunately, we were never able to actually get someone to say, yes, here are the people that bishop was trying to hire to do this. >> this man died long ago. he's no longer around to be questioned.
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>> a lot of those leads were part of the mystique. he was living the secret private life. i don't know if we'll ever figure out, does he have mistresses, secret bank accounts, does he gamble, does he take drugs, because he's good at keeping under the radar. >> this is a man you could put into any number of environments and he could thrive. >> his training with the state department really would have provided him the ability to know where to hide, how to hide. he spoke six different languages. >> he got a master's degree in italian. he was fluent. >> he had an expertise in developing passports. he was also an airplane pilot. and he was definitely flying a small plane when he was working
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in africa. >> he thought, i can't be a one star father or a one star member of society, but i can be a five star fugitive. >> there are three credible sightings of brad bishop over the years. a swedish woman that he knew in ethiopia said she spotted him twice in a park in stockholm. a former neighbor from maryland, she and her husband saw brad bishop in basel, switzerland on a train, stared at him right in his eyes. and then there was roy harrell, who was a friend and colleague. >> all these years, i really thought nothing more about brad bishop until sorrento.
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i don't normally speak to people in men's rooms. i thought he was a vagrant. he was sitting there when i came and stood right next to him and for some reason turned. in my mind's eye, i stripped off the beard and saw the foreign services officer i'd seen in washington, d.c. i just impulsively said you're brad bishop, aren't you? and he began trembling and shaking. said oh, god, no. and turned and ran. i have no doubt that -- that it was him.
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so many in the past that have come in that we were just never able to corroborate. but this one really kind of surprised me. a book was all of a sudden found at a flea market in north carolina. and we are 100% certain, based on handwriting analysis, it was his diary. >> may 3rd, 1967. you've got to project your vision before you. you must make sacrifices of time and effort. >> to go back and look at some of the dark writings that he was doing, it was clear to us that this is not something that snapped that night. he was really heading in a downward spiral for about ten years before he commits the
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murders. >> as the years go by, his writing becomes more disjointed. his handwriting becomes less legible. >> this accursed insomnia makes me sleazy. it cannot reconcile the total, absolute indifference of god to me. >> he obviously was wrestling with emotions but not fully equipped to do so. >> love is compatible with ambition. egoism. premonitions of special destiny. >> he felt he was going to be found out. his answer to that stress was to kill his entire family and start over again. >> one last great effort. come home. >> that journal is as good as a bloody fingerprint at the scene. it just shows what a sociopathic, cold-blooded, narcissistic killer we're
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dealing with. >> killing is always easier after you've done it. if somebody started to demean him, of course he can kill again. >> last year we all agreed to make one final concerted effort as a team to solve this mystery once and for all. >> getting bishop on the top ten list was important because now it's on everybody's smartphone, facebook, twitter. >> age-enhanced bust is the best representation you can have of what bishop looks like now. >> the arrogance is still going to be there. he wants to be important more than anything else, okay? in my opinion you'll still find him trying to dress well, trying to eat well, see himself as important and superior. >> but what i want to emphasize to the public is that we have to look wherever we can for this guy. perhaps that stress was so much
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that he would welcome the job at a gas station or a menial job. he wouldn't have to live up anymore to the image that other people expected of him. so we have to look anywhere. >> we just have to get that one tip. we just have to get that one person that says, you know that old man over there, that guy that looks like somebody's grandfather? i think he might be that mass murderer brad bishop. i'm going to make that call. and i don't care whether it's a week old or 38 years old. he should pay. >> it's just too big and tragic and monumental. i mean, the killing of a mother and a wife and the children. the disappearing. what is the answer? who can explain this?
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i think if we don't keep trying to solve it, it's not finished. >> brad bishop has a six-inch scar on his lower back and a mole on his left cheek. he's fond of dogs and the outdoors. if you've seen brad bishop or have any information as to his whereabouts, please call 1-866-the-hunt or cnn.com/thehunt. we'll pass your tip on to the proper authorities, and if requested will not reveal your name. >> it's sexy to talk about the mystique and legend of brad bishop, former army intelligence, worldwide diplomatic services guy. that he might be living the good life in europe. it's glamorous. but in the end, people are going
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to remember him for one thing. being a horrible coward bully. because of the wonderful brave viewers of "the hunt" we had our first capture. >> mozdir pulled out a gun and he began firing. he hit one of the detectives in the abdomen. he hit another in the leg. another was injured with what appears to be a shrapnel or bullet to the arm as well. they opened fire back, taking him down. he was killed, pronounced dead on the scene. >> charles mozdir, after two years on the run and not one clue to where he was, was taken down.
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charles mozdir chose to run and he stayed out there for two years, and he chose to have a gun and he chose to shoot those cops first. they wanted to bring him in. they wanted to take him in alive. they only had to fire because he shot each one of those three cops. i always believed that the public was the best ally to law enforcement. all i asked was go online, make that phone call, give us the tip. we'll take it from there. and they came through again. you came through again. back in 1981, i had the american dream, the beautiful wife, the house in the suburbs, and a beautiful 6-year-old son. and one day i went to work, kissed my son good-bye, and never saw him again. in two weeks, i became the parent of a murdered child and i'll always be the parent of a murdered child. i still have the heartache. i still have the rage. i waited years for justice. i know what it's like to be
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it was readily apparent two cars had collided head-on. >> a car is just as deadly as a gun. >> we had three people in one car, all of them had serious injuries and one person had a fatal injury. >> sometimes what looks like an accident really is a crime. >> there are people that really shouldn't be on the road behind the wheel of a car. that really should be in jail and christopher ponce is one of those people. >> there is no question who the bad guy is in this case. the question is, where is he. ♪
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♪ i met william in 2005 at middle school here in florida. our friendship had built over the years, probably sat at the same lunch table just about every year through school. one of our good friends had returned from afghanistan with the u.s. marines, and we hadn't seen him since high school. so me and william with another friend of mine, robert, we figured out a good meeting point
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would be down in hyde park. at the time i didn't have my own vehicle, so me and will were sort of chipping both in on gas for his car. he'd had that mustang since high school. we took that thing to work every day, we went, hung out with all the same people together and i mean, that was our -- that was the car. that was the familiar vehicle for us. >> william didn't really want to drive that night, but he said robert's car was on the fritz so he was probably going to have to drive. >> by the time we actually got there, it was probably at least 11:00, 11:30. we were underaged but we were still allowed to hang out in the bar because it was a restaurant also. we were just having a good night, you know. we had no idea what was to come.
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closing time comes and we got in the car. i sort of squashed myself in the back of this mustang. i must have been halfway behind the passenger seat, halfway in the middle. we were coming up to the merge. i saw headlights. and i remember veering to the right, and i heard both william and robert scream. before i knew it, i was going through the windshield.
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>> early in the morning of july 19th, 2012, i was out patrolling with the florida highway patrol. i was traveling on interstate 4 approaching the junction here in tampa with i-275. reports on the radio that a severe crash had occurred. i was roughly about three miles away, so i was able to respond rapidly. >> when i opened my eyes, i was laying through the windshield facedown on the engine. the first thing that really
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crossed my mind was i'm outside, how can i be outside? i was just like what the hell happened. what happened? i couldn't really feel any pain. i think the only thing i could really feel was the sensation of the hot engine on my arms and my chest. and i heard robert yell, and he told me that his arm and his leg were broken. robert's father's a police officer and we knew it was best to try and stay awake, so we tried talking to one another, and just tried to keep each other calm. we hadn't heard anything from will. i think we both assumed that he was knocked out from the impact.
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>> there's a pretty large signal 4 on i-275 northbound. >> 10-4. >> 10-4. >> the thing's destroyed. i guarantee you it's a 10-32 in that car right there. >> nobody in the vehicle is moving right now. >> as it turns out, i did actually pass out. when i woke up, there were some people driving through the rubble. one gentleman got out and he approached us, and as soon as he got up to the vehicle he just put his hand over his face. >> signal 16 in the two left lanes. >> the paramedics arrived, and i could hear the ambulances. i could hear a helicopter also, and i could see the lights from the ambulance. they reached the vehicle and they were shining the flashlight through the front of the twisted mess. robert started yelling for them
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to get william out of the car first so i just chimed in. i couldn't see will and i started argumenting with the -- arguing with the paramedic. and i heard him call signal seven. signal seven means there's a body. >> one unconscious male in the mustang. >> all right. 10-4. >> the paramedic sat in the front of the vehicle and i'm still arguing with him about will. he just said to me he didn't make it, and that was the first time that i heard that i had lost my best friend. >> right off the bat, i could tell that the driver of the mustang had been killed in the crash. the other person inside the other car was receiving treatment from fire rescue personnel. they had to extract him, but he was alive as well. we started to piece the evidence together, and what we surmised
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occurred was that the driver of the ford had entered the wrong exit ramp, coming the wrong way, and collided head-on with the mustang. >> when someone's coming at you the wrong way down the highway and you have no options, you're going to hit head-on. if you're lucky, you live. if you're unlucky, you're dead. and one person, william angel, in that car, was the unlucky guy who died. because of an entitled, spoiled, drunk kid. >> we identified what became known as the wrong way driver as christopher ponce, and in a case like this, that is so egregious, it was very clear early on that alcohol most likely played a role. >> i don't know why he was on the road. why was he allowed to drive? >> actually, why was he allowed back on the road? >> it was just a matter of time before he killed somebody.
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add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance and get $100 off for every year of safe driving. we put members first, join the nation. nationwide is on your side. christopher ponce is accused of driving drunk the wrong way on i-275 early thursday morning and causing a deadly head-on collision. the car he hit, a mangled mustang driven by 20-year-old william angel of wesley chapel. >> william drew satisfaction
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from making other people feel good. he was going to work for my sister's motel and marina on the portage river up in ohio, fishing tourist area. he had the perfect personality for that work. my sister wanted to build a cabin each year to rent out and i was building one, and he was due to come up in august to look at our first cabin. and of course, july 19th came and he never got to see the first cabin. >> this is william's room.
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hasn't changed much. it's still the same room, complete with books and pictures and pictures of his old dog, his bed in the corner where it always was. this is still william's room. >> i know that feeling. i've been there. somebody tears your heart out, but you don't die. you don't bleed to death. you're still functioning. you're heartbroken and you're devastated. he was a great little brother, we love him, we want justice, we want our day in court. >> we learned a lot in that first day, but there's still so many questions. i didn't know chris ponce from the guy next to me. no idea who he was. how do you get on an off-ramp, especially downtown?
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how does chris get on the wrong side of the road? >> he had had a previous dui arrest. we knew that his license has been suspended numerous times for various reasons, pretty much throughout the state of florida, from the panhandle to the south end of the state. >> reckless driving charges, drunk driving charges, speeding tickets. i mean, you can expect for a teenager to get a speeding ticket, but the list was horrifying for a man that's 22 years old. >> the only thing that i know about chris ponce is that his parents were successful dentists. >> christopher went to an expensive private school. the one thing that you could definitely say was that chris was very lucky financially to be born into the family that he is.
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>> chris loves expensive watches, flashy clothes, fast cars. he used to laugh when people called him reckless. i think he took it as a compliment. the accident didn't really surprise me. he had been caught drinking and driving before. his lifestyle didn't really seem to change. >> without a doubt, this is not an accident. this was a deadly, troubled, alcoholic time bomb waiting to blow up. >> our investigators arrived at the hospital when we knew that christopher ponce would be released once his treatment concluded. >> he hod -- had a broken ankle from the accident, which seems minute compared to everything that we went through. >> we took him to the county jail. at that point we made charges of reckless driving, dui manslaughter and vehicular homicide.
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those are some pretty serious dalient offenses. the first hearing that mr. ponce would face would be a bail hearing and because toxicology results can often take weeks or months to return, and without those results, the judge didn't feel completely comfortable keeping mr. ponce in jail, and opted to provide a high bond. >> the judge said that he was going to grant the bond, but he turned to the prosecutor and said when that blood alcohol comes back, if it's over the legal limit, he will be retained back into custody. >> your life comes to a screeching halt. you're not going to school. you're not going to church. you're going to sit in your house and you're going to stay there. >> the judge was very aggressive in his comments and i think he actually said a lot of what a lot of people were thinking. this is a traffic homicide case and the keyword being homicide. he killed somebody. >> i think you were drunk, i think you're lucky you didn't have a girlfriend in the car
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that didn't die. >> it was a homicide. the victims are in terrible shape. but the guy who caused the whole thing is on the couch watching cable tv, getting food brought to him and taking a nice shower in his bathroom when he's supposed to be in jail. >> it was extremely difficult for me to maintain my composure. >> see, i don't understand, you kill somebody with a gun, you're not allowed out on bail. you kill somebody with a car, i mean, he still killed him. so why is he given the privilege of being home? >> toxicology results indicated that mr. ponce was drunk. >> he had sustained injuries that required follow-up care. many of those doctors' points didn't require removal of the ankle monitor. the mris did.
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it's designed to add an extra layer of assurance that the promises made by this particular defendant are going to be adhered to. >> weeks later, toxicology results were provided to the judge and indicated that mr. ponce was indeed under the influence of alcohol. he was drunk. he was .14, almost twice the legal limit. >> we're expecting the judge is going to say, okay, we're going to remand you back into custody. instead, he recused himself from the case, because of the comments he made previously. >> i think you were drunk, i think you are lucky you didn't have a girlfriend in the car that didn't die. >> it was assigned to another judge and that judge let the bond stay. >> first judge said if the tox comes back and it's over the legal limit, you're going to be
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in jail. the second judge, don't they talk? what would be the problem to say i made a deal, if the tox comes in positive, you got to remand the bond, you got -- you've got to bring him in. he needs to be in jail while he's awaiting trial. >> mr. ponce had sustained injuries that required pretty substantial follow-up care. it was not unusual for us to be aware of doctors' visits, aware of an mri, and we had very good compliance with him up to that point. many of those doctors' appointments didn't require removal of the ankle monitor. the mris did. >> may 9th, 2013, i had received a call that christopher ponce
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had removed his ankle bracelet so the ability to track him was now gone and that we didn't know where he was. >> don't tell me he didn't arrange the run. he scheduled multiple doctors' appointments over one month. he takes the bracelet off, and he always comes home. he set the cops up. >> i had just assumed that he was going to face what he had done. i was expecting him to go away for a while and serve his time that he should be serving. i sure did not expect him to flee. >> it's one thing when somebody was just recently in our custody and is then now on the lam somewhere. it's another thing when they were in their own home, capable of making any of a number of arrangements that we don't know about. makes it more difficult.
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i don't know a lot of 22 year olds that are going to successfully pull off going off the grid without help. and that's what he's done thus far. >> here's a kid who's never done anything in his life but take money from his parents, beautiful car, entitled, no remorse, no empathy. that's what everybody says. how does a kid who doesn't have the street smarts and savvy and connections organize a run? >> somebody knows where he's at. he needs somebody else to clean up after him. so somebody knows where he's at. >> we'd like someone to come forward, whether it be a friend or just the general public that just recognizes the man on the street, come forward and tell us. >> we've started a website just to get people talking. because word of mouth travels.
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all it takes is one little mess-up, one little detail, to catch somebody. >> we're still trying to get what's right. >> yep, we're trying to find justice for william. because we're the ones that are left that need to do that. because he's not going to be forgotten. and we love him, still. >> chris ponce has brown hair and brown eyes. he speaks spanish fluently and may be living in a spanish-speaking country. if you have seen christopher ponce, or have any information as to his whereabouts, please call 1-866-the hunt or go online at cnn.com/thehunt. you can remain anonymous. we'll pass your tip on to the
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>> there are people in montana who are less than enthused about the government, who are less than enthused about the idea of government. >> they often call themselves survivalists, but what are they preparing to survive for? they have a belief that there is something they are going to have to survive and that's going to be a showdown. >> montana has a huge tradition of the population there making a living in a tough environment. people are proud. they work hard. they're the embodiment of the american western spirit. then you've got the other side. militia men, skinheads, tax protesters, sort of that
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unhinged part of montana that everybody knows is there, they co-exist with it, but it's the underbelly of this beautiful state. >> when he was young, david burgert cared very much about helping other people, particularly helping people whom he perceived to be weaker. i think, in his mind, joining the military was a way for him to get to be a hero, to live out his fantasies of helping and saving people. and when he got there, you know, guys screaming in his face every day didn't -- didn't work with his chemistry. when he came back from the marine corps, violence had become a main form of expression for him. his mother says that he used to press his jeans, put on a cowboy hat and get like really gussied up to go fight.
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>> mr. burgert was the kind of guy that just didn't fit well in normal society. he was the kind of guy that would do whatever he could to provoke you. i think he just felt that things should be his way. >> for that period of his life, his decisions didn't make a lot of sense. in 1985, he got drunk and broke into a trailer. he went into the refrigerator and made himself a sandwich, but he was carrying a firearm. he heard a car coming, took off and forgot his pistol. woke up the next day and he didn't have his gun, wanted to find it and he asked the sheriff's department if they had found it. >> in his mind, he had made a mistake, he got too buttered and he left his gun in the trailer
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that he broke into, and then he was even dumber when he called the cops. it was me. i didn't really do anything that bad, a little b and e, i left my gun, i wasn't going to hurt anybody, give me the gun back. how did they repay david burgert for his honesty in 'fessing up? four years in prison. >> when he got out of prison, he moved to flathead valley in northern montana. he got married and at some point, david decided he wanted to join search and rescue. >> mr. burgert did apply for our search and rescue team, and during the course of that application process, we found that he had a criminal history, so we did tell him that he would not be accepted onto to search
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and rescue team. he was not overly happy about that. >> that was important to him. that was a void in his life that he had wanted to fill for a long, long time and had failed at every step. you know, he couldn't cut it in the military, he's not allowed to be on search and rescue, so he just becomes this sort of like citizen watchdog in his mind, i think. approximate -- the guy was notorious for being just a pain in the ass. >> he was just one of those very confrontational individuals. >> the people who knew dave felt that it was just a matter of time before something happened. >> in november of 2001, david worked as a process server for a missoula based attorney and that attorney was in kalispell trying to serve a woman and was having a hard time tracking her down. finally, he said i got to go back to missoula and he dropped
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the papers off with david. this attorney on his way out of town happens to see the woman in her car and starts following her. well, she calls the police and says this guy is stalking me. the police come, they pull him over, they ask him what he's doing. he calls david and says i need you to bring the papers down and prove that i am who i say i am. david arrives at the scene and his relationship, being what it was with all members of law enforcement in flathead county, was told to get back in his car immediately. david refuses to get back in his car after he's told to do so. and is pepper sprayed in the face. an officer puts him in handcuffs. >> i am real familiar with david. i don't want him with his history behind my back while i'm on a traffic stop, okay?
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down to the river and found, you know, a tackle box open and a rod there. >> it looked like mr. burgert had fallen into the river and drowned, but it was not a place where one would slip and fall, so it appeared to us at that point that mr. burgert was attempting to stage his own death or disappearance, and we didn't believe that he would stay missing for very long. >> in february of 2002, we get a 17-year-old male individual who came to us and said that mr. burgert was not dead, he had been living up in the woods with his girlfriend, tracy brockwood. >> tracy brockwood was having an affair with david. >> and they were members of this militia group known as project 7. >> project 7 believed that if
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big brother or big government becomes too oppressive, they were going to fight back. >> being a citizen of the republic is not a spectator sport. the only way that you keep government in line is if you are an active participant. >> good morning. >> morning, john. how are you? >> i'm doing good. >> i need to let you know as well as the listeners know that those active members that know what i'm talking about, they need to secure the areas that they have been assigned to secure. nobody, nobody surrender your weapons to nobody. i don't care what color the uniform is. do not surrender your weapons. >> by straw poll, dave was made number one. >> he had been in the battle a long time. he had a lot of knowledge.
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dave's specialty was firearms. because hey, he was good. >> i've dealt with the militias before here in montana. they have been quite active over the years and you had some core paranoid type people like burgert who somehow came to be seen as leaders. >> i was designated number two by the group. from time to time, we'd get together. we'd talk about current events. we'd talk about different pieces of information that we had picked up about things that were pertinent, you know, to survi surviving. >> people in the
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counterintelligence business and law enforcement share a similar philosophy. let's stop them before they start. let's get them before they grow into a giant plant from a little seed. so they started to put pressure on project 7. they started to investigate them, and then came the real showdown. >> the sheriff's department staked out tracy's house. they see tracy and david get in the car, they follow the car. david bails out of the car and starts running through the woods. >> we actually chased him through the woods for several hours and were sure he was getting tired. i think he finally realized that we just weren't going to go away. once the reality of that sunk in, he sits down, puts the gun to his own head and we begin talking to him and attempting to get him to give up without any violence to us and without harming himself. >> eventually the negotiators convince him to put the gun down
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and then they arrest him. >> once mr. burgert is arrested, more and more things came to light. project 7 had a huge stockpile of weapons and ammunition. some of these were actual machine guns that it was not legal for them to possess. additionally, we found evidence that they were compiling a list of people that they felt needed to be assassinated in local government. and they had developed the means to carry out those plans. >> david and the other members of the group were brought to federal court and charged with weapons violations. >> there were several people federally indicted. the culmination of the project 7 investigation and people did go away to federal prison for a period of time. >> i was the only one that went to trial. everybody else pled guilty. david pled guilty, too.
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>> and he went to prison for seven years. >> we're all lucky this case ended at least for us back then the way that it did. and then i didn't hear dave burgert's name for years until he got into a shootout with missoula county deputies. >> he had told people he was going to go down in a ball of flame and glory. >> i was looking down the barrel of his gun. and then i saw the gun go off. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, this can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain, and improve daily physical function so moving is easier. because just one 200mg celebrex a day
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us to go and try to find the person and find out what was going on. as we pulled into the rec area, i could see the guy outside his truck. the trunk was open. he was doing something at the trunk. the guy had gotten in his car and started driving out. so we passed each other. as he's leaving, he just plain runs the stop sign. he gets on the highway, speeds up to 80, 85. when i ran the plate, dispatch told me he was on federal and state probation. >> i have information that he's violent toward law enforcement. >> at that point, he slowed quickly and made a hard right turn on the jeep trail that goes by the power lines. this is bad. he's taking us into the wilderness, trying to isolate us. this wasn't going to end well. once we got toward the top of a ridge line my concern was he was now looking for an opportunity to engage us in a gun fight. >> forget about project 7. forget about all the militia ideas.
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now it was david burgert against the cops. >> he started slowing down. we could see him looking around left to right. i thought, okay, this is it. he's going to get out and start shooting, but he pulled hard to the right and then just went offroad. on top of the hill, burgert stopped and jumped out of his vehicle. he got up that hill. i started running up the hill with my rifle. he had a gun pointing at me. i was looking down the barrel of his gun. and then i saw the gun go off. he shot directly at me. i fired off five rounds. i assumed we'd hit him or he was hiding behind his jeep. so we slowly worked up the hill. when we got to the point we could see behind the vehicle, he wasn't there.
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burgert was gone. that was the moment that i knew he'd just tried to kill me and i had no idea where he was. it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. >> the fbi and u.s. marshals have joined in the hunt for a known militia man, david burgert, after he shot at sheriff's deputies. he's armed, at least with a handgun, and is considered extremely dangerous. >> we didn't know if he had been shot. we didn't know if he was waiting to ambush deputies. we weren't able to find any blood. a lot of times people or animals don't leave a blood trail. the manhunt ramped up quickly. 80 to 100 officers doing a ground search. when that came up negative, we knew then that he was out of our immediate perimeter. >> later they found caches in the woods. >> food, extra clothing, sleeping bags. >> when the stashes were found it became clear that he had a plan for how he wanted it to play out.
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>> unless you go to montana, you don't really understand how vast these areas are. they searched for david burgert, but he disappeared into thin air. >> there are a lot of where's dave burgert theories. has he met up with militia groups that are plotting and planning other things? >> that would be a real possibility that he joined another group that felt he was a hero for the cause. i wouldn't be surprised that he's still in montana or idaho. >> this guy, for his entire life, could not stay out of trouble. i just don't buy that all of the sudden after decades of run-ins with law enforcement he would stay completely undercover for
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years. i think he's dead. >> there's been no sign at all that we have a dead body up in the woods. we haven't seen any scrap of clothing, any bones. >> david burgert is armed and dangerous. he's already fired at cops. he knows how to live in the mountains. he's a survivalist. i believe david burgert is out there. david burgert is a skilled outdoorsman, extremely familiar with weapons. he's openly hostile toward government and law enforcement. and he's armed and dangerous. if you have seen david burgert, or have any information as to his whereabouts, please call 1-866-the-hunt or go online at cnn.com/the hunt. you can remain anonymous. we'll pass your top on to the proper authorities. if requested, we'll not reveal your name. >> burgert is a big guy. he's disguised himself in the past. he may have gained weight, lost weight. he's had long hair in the past, he's had short hair.
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i would encourage anybody that has had dealings with david burgert to call law enforcement. >> i don't know how he got away. they don't know how he got away. they're ticked off that he got away. this guy left everybody in montana with one big puzzling mystery. where is david burgert? it is midnight in ferguson, missouri. a five-hour curfew has gone into effect. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. what you're watching there is special coverage as we continue to watch the situation in ferguson, missouri. a curfew went into effect just moments ago. >> he's there in ferguson, missouri, to tell us wha
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