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the next hour of newsroom starts right now. 6 p.m. here on the east coast, you are in the cnn newsroom. i'm poppy harlow. thank you for being here. an motional male for justice came to an end, the crowd gathered in the wake of the death of michael brown, an unarmed teen killed by police one week ago. michael brown's parents were there. you see them walking to the podium, they did not speak but their lawyer spoke on their behalf. teachers of michael brown were there, friends, community members, all inside of this church in ferguson, which was standing room only, long lines outside of people waiting to get in, the uplifting song stood in sharp contrast to last night's protests where gunfire erupted and there were seven arrests on the streets much police say a protester is in critical condition after being shot in the chest.
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it is not known though who shot him. the curfew in ferguson does return tonight at midnight central time. and justice department official says a second autopsy will be performed on michael brown's body. i want to bring in our ed lavandera outside church where the rally took place in ferguson. what did you hear from the people on the ground as this was going on, ed? >> reporter: it was an intentionally -- intensely passionate experience for many of the people who have sheep up here this afternoon. you know, the church sanctuary where this convenient took place today only fit about 1300 people or so inside the lobby, everything completely packed and probably close to 2,000 people who had to stand outside of the church here in the parking lot. you look around me. much of the crowd is still here. these were people who at one point simply could only gather around a local radio station's speaker, they could try to hear what was going on inside. and it was very strong and passionate words that were
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delivered inside. in many ways, kind of captured thing an and frustration that has been boiling over here for a little more than a week now many of the speakers talking about how they felt that michael brown was simply executed by ferguson police officer. cries for justice continued. several speakers, civil rights leaders, prominent civil rights leaders at the rally here, community rally, but the words from the attorney for michael brown's parents that were some of the strongest and the most poignant. listen to what benjamin crump had to say. >> just know that this was their child and they loved their child. they had every right for their child to have due process of the law. what is true dew process you say means? due process is when i put my hands in the air, you don't execute me because you had a bad day.
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when i put my hands in the air, you don't decide to be judge, jury and executioner on that day. >> and poppy, one of the things continue to hear over and over from people here, know full well that much of the country and the world is watching what is happening here on the streets of ferguson and obviously, they are very concerned about the images and the tension that happens in the overnight hours and they are hoping they will hear from people here and tell us over and over again, they hope that these images, these events where people are coming together and protesting in this peaceful way will continue, hope it will spill over and hope that these images and these messages overshadow the more confrontational and violent images that we have seen in the overnight hours and hope that's what will happen here in the days to come. poppy? >> you know, ed, heard such loud applause and praise for captain ron johnson, when he spoke during that ceremony today, but at the same time, he's one of
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the officials that's calling for this daughter few, for everyone to abide by it at midnight. do the people that you're talking to on the ground there agree with him? do he they think it's a good idea? >> you know, lot of people who quite frankly very worried that the curfew would inflame passions once again, but you know, what our reporters on the ground saw last night was that it was close to midnight and many of the people who were there protesting started leaving early so they could clear the streets, make the jobs for the police officers much easier. so, obviously, ron johnson, since he was put in charge of security here on thursday by the governor of missouri, in many ways, has kind of been seen as a savior. as he walks the street, he is continuously hugged. he received a standing to ovation when he opened up the unity service here this afternoon. so? someone who has -- i don't know how well known he was before all of this happened, but he has become an extremely beloved figure in all of this very quickly. >> yeah, he certainly has.
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it will really has been fascinating to watch how much he has impacted that community. we will be watching and see what happens tonight, whatever happens, let hope it is peaceful. ed lavandera, thank you. well, missouri state patrol captain who ed and i were just talking about, ron johnson, get very emotional when he spoke today that the service at the church in ferguson. he said that violence during last night's protest really brought him to tears. >> yesterday was a tough day. you now sometimes when you're trying to create change, you start having conflict with your friends. yesterday was the day that i -- the first day that i cried.
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[ applause ] >> johnson also said today there when he took the podium that michael brown's death will not be in vain. he says when the controversy comes to an end and when more reasons are known here, he says that brown will have made things better for johnson's own son and other young black men in america. president obama will interrupt his vacation this evening, return later tonight to washington, this is partly to learn more about the developments in ferguson, missouri, and partly to deal with other situation around the world. our senior white house correspondent, jim acosta is traveling with the president in martha's vineyard. let me ask you about this. we know that attorney general eric holder is going to meet with the president tomorrow to discuss ferguson, right? >> right. that's right. that's one reason why the president's schedule over the next couple of days is going to be a lot busier than perhaps white house officials initially anticipated just a couple of days ago. you know, the president has been keeping up to speed on the
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situation in ferguson by receiving briefings from top officials, eric holder being one of them, giving briefings to the president, but also, the president was kept up to speed this morning on the situation in ferguson by his senior adviser, valerie jarrett. she's been on the phones with civil rights leaders over the last several days, white house officials say she's been talking with the governor of missouri, jay nixon. and so, that's how the president has been keeping up to speed on all of. this he has obviously been on vacation. as you mentioned, poppy, he is returning to washington later on this evening, about 10:00 tonight, over the next couple of days, be having meetings at the white house, but poppy, i think one thing that we will be looking for is to see whether or not the president comes out once again and makes some sort of statement about the situation in ferguson. as you recall late last week, he came out in front of the cameras, the second time in front of the cameras during this vacation and he called for peace and calm and while it initially appeared that that might be the case and white house officials were telling us they were relieved to see things sort of get back to normal in federal governmentson, as you saw over
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the weekend, there was a violence that broke out in the overnight hours over this weekend, and so we will have to see whether or not the president comes out in front of the cameras again after his -- after his you recalling the country to return to some sort of calmness and peacefulness there in ferguson, that those words really were not heeded over a lasting period of time, poppy. >> and also, the president is going to have some pretty important meetings on iraq as well, right? >> that's right. he will be meeting with his national security council, according to officials tomorrow and just in the last several house, the white house release adler from the president to congressional leaders about what is happening in iraq, sort of a war powers letter, as they call it really that is the legal notifying cakes the president is required to give congress about military operations and they wanted to give congress notification through this letter about what is taking place or took place over the weekend with respect to those air strikes and those isis targets around mosul. the mosul dam that they were hoping that iraqi secure theity
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forces could retake. and appears in has indeed happened and as minute station officials are saying that the reason why that notification took place is they want to keep congress up to speed and the reason why those air strikes took place, it was not an ex-spams of the president's authorization for military use of air power over there in iraq, really, they say its nee keeping with that authorization, that damn broken, had it failed, they are saying that u.s. personnel in baghdad, at the embassy, might have been at risk. and so, we will have to wait and see whether or not there is some sort of ex-spamming of of air strikes in the coming days and just how they tie back those potential air strikes to the authorization that the president has issued so far or whether or not we will see new actions from the president. he meets with his national security council, as we mentioned and meeting with vice president biden as well, poppy. >> we will be looking forward to reports from there tomorrow as the president leaves vacation, goes back to the white house for some critical meetings tomorrow. thanks, jim, we appreciate it. more on our top story in just a moment.
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it's about ten minutes before michael brown is shot dead. a police report describes a tall, heavy, up armed suspect picking up a box of cigars, then heading for the door. when a clerk tries block him, the suspect grabs his shirt collar with his left hand, pushing him out of the way and walks out. the store calls 911 reporting robbery. question is this 18-year-old michael brown? answer, police say yes. he appears to be wearing a white t-shirt, khaki shorts, flip-flops and a red st. louis baseball cap, the same clothes brown was wearing when he was shot. the same red baseball cap is seen lying in the street. question, who was with brown in the store? police say it's dorian johnson, standing behind brown here and next to him at the door. dorian is not being charged in this case. he's brown's friend who saw the young man he calls big mike shot
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dead. johnson is a key witness in the shooting who's already been interviewed by investigators. ten minutes after leaving the store, brown and his friend are confronted by a police officer in his cruiser about a quarter mile away. question, who it's officer? six days after the shooting, we find out his name, darren wilson, wearing a badge for six years, a clean record. >> he was a gentleman. he was a quiet officer. and he was -- he is -- he has been an excellent officer. >> but the biggest question, why did officer wilson shoot brown? the answer remains murky. yet police now acknowledge when wilson first stopped brown and his friend, it had nothing to do with that cigar robbery. it was far less serious. >> because they were walking don't middle of the street, blocking traffic. that was it. >> and the officer says get the [ bleep ] out of the street, verbatim, was his words. >> reporter: but now, this intriguing new detail, the
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police chief says when the officer drives by the teens, he may have spotted cigars in brownbrown use's -- brown's hands, making a connection. >> at that time, he reached out the window with his left arm, he grabbed onto my friend, big mike's throat and he is trying to pull him in the vehicle. >> reporter: what little police have said divers sharply. >> one of those individuals at the time came into the -- as the officer was exiting his police car, allegedly pushed the police officer back into the car, where he physically assaulted the police officer. >> reporter: police salt two struggled over the officer's gun. but mike brown's friend says brown was just trying to get away. not fighting for the gun. >> i looked at my friend, big mike, and i saw that he was have struck in the chest or upper region, 'cause i saw blood splattered down his side. >> reporter: another witness is watching from a distance.
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>> the officer gets out of his vehicle and pursues michael as he is shooting his weapon. michael jerks his bod as if he was hit. >> and at that time, he turned around with his hands up, beginning to tell the officer that he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting. >> and the officer continues to shoot him until he goes down to the ground. >> reporter: question, how many times was brown shot? we don't know. >> i can't really say anything from the corner's report, because i don't know. >> reporter: question, how did officer wilson's face gets so we and what's his explanation for shooting brown? we don't know. >> i can't release anything about the interviews with the -- with the officers to any of the witnesses because i don't know. and i really don't want to know until this is done. >> reporter: and when will that be? we don't know that either. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. >> our thanks to susan candiotti for her peace there. so a lot of certainly remain. we will take quick break on cnn.
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cnn legal analyst, holly hughes, former prosecutor, now criminal defense attorney. thank you both for being here. i appreciate it. when you look at this case, it is shaping up as a case of the officer's word versus the word of eyewitnesses. so, do you, danny, what we do know, a new development is that the fbi has interviewed new witnesses, witnesses that they say did not -- have not at this point talked to local officials. given what we know so far, do you think that that the community there, the officers there on the ground, that the prosecutors there have been too slow to bring charges or to make an arrest? >> all right, first, even though we have -- is going to be enough for an indictment. and when people talk about speed in this case, i'm a little surprised because candidly, those of us familiar with law enforcement and the justice system know things simply don't move as fast as you'd like. and when it comes to getting
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documents, getting indictments, not every case is the same. you know, a dui stop, a officer knows right away whether or not someone should be arrested. in a case like this, i don't think there's anything particularly unusual. >> you have three eyewitness accounts though. >> absolutely. >> police don't know what the new witnesses told the department of justice officials who spoke with them in the last 24 hours. to you, holly, do you think that this is moving at an appropriate pace? >> it is. the reason i feel that way, we have done two autopsies ant forensic , poppy, is what's gonna back up those eyewitness testimony stories. you don't want to go into court and have an officer say one thing and a citizen say something and it's gonna be who do you believe? you want to nail that case shut. you want those forensics saying are the entrance wounds in the front of the body or as some of the eyewitnesses are telling us, are they in the back of the body? >> but you one of the -- >> was this somebody retreating at the time they were shot?
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we don't know. >> sorry to interrupt you. i apologize. >> that's okay. >> hate it when people do that to me. i apologize. we do know that the first autopsy has already been done by the county. we are awaiting a second and a third autopsy. so, aren't those rules already known? >> what they're gonna do is they are gonna compare all of them to make sure that they are the same and they don't want to violate the integrity of the investigation. danny's right. these things take time and no lawyer, whether you're a prosecutor or defense attorney wants to rush into court with a half-baked case. you want to know what you have. >> i got to ask you, usually there isn't a second and third autopsy. the family is ask forward second to be done independently, the department of justice do one as well. in a typical case wourngt necessarily have that, would it be them moving too fast once theft results of the county's autopsy? >> no, what we are talking about, multiple autopsies are
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obviously the result of all this media attention. if there wasn't media attention, i promise you there would be one autopsy and that would probably be it. so, what's happening is the law enforcement is taking extra steps to make sure they have the case right. and again, i have to go back to this, holly, help me out here, anyone whoever tried to get discovery from law enforcement or from the prosecution know, not necessarily their fault they careful, they marshal their evidence, they wait until they have the evidence that he they want before they dial. now, sometimes, it's the defense attorney's position that they do so too quickly and maybe theft wrong guy, but at the same time, there's nothing -- there's nothing per se wrong with the prosecution or the law enforcement in this case taking the time, circling their wagons and making sure theft right facts. >> do you both, i will start with you, danny then, you holly on this question, do you think that a special prosecutor should be appointed? there's been talk about that, given all of the global attention this is getting, should someone from the outside be coming in? >> sure.
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i mean, in a case like this, ideally, would you want someone independent to come in. i mean, it really depends on each and every case, also a question of resources. you can't always have when you have some allegation of impropriety, we just don't have the resources to bring in special prosecutors on every one of these cases. in a case like this, however, because of all of the attention, i wouldn't be surprised if we saw that. but as a general rule, you don't have any special entitlement to a special impartial prosecutor. >> but it does, hollis, does change the picture when you have the media and as the -- as the governor of missouri said yesterday, the eyes of the world on this situation. >> that's exactly right. and that is why, as danny explained, they are taking their time and getting it right. i think we're probably gonna see dual prosecutions here. i think you're going to see a federal prosecution and i think you're also going to see a state prosecution and danny's right. you can't just go, oh, well, you know, it's local, so therefore, we need a whole new prosecutor. no, you don't. if you have a prosecutor who is
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not involved in any way personally with this officer, who may or may not be indicted, then there's no reason they can't do their job. they will put up the evidence. they will call the medical examiner. you can't say because it's a small town, everybody there is tainted, everybody is corrupt. that's false a allegation, it is a false assumption. there are a lot of very good people in this town who want to see justice done and a almost every prosecutor i ever worked with when i was and worked against as a defense attorney, they want to see justice. they are not trying to do their bud day favor. >> absolutely. >> they are going to go after this officer the same way they would anybody else. they are gonna look at the autopsy reports, the forensic s, the trapping joker to, the gsr, is there gunshot residue, is there not? they are gonna look at everything. they are gonna take eyewitness statements. they are gonna look at the credibility of their witnesses. you don't need a special prosecutor to do that. you just need a good, honest prosecutor. so, i think we are gonna see the the dual prosecutions but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't leave it in the hands of
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the local person who is already elected. >> guys, got to get a quick break in here, we are bringing you back after the break to talk more about this. we are looking at a bunch of different angles here legally in this case. the legal panel joins us back in just a moment. ♪ so nice, so ni-i-i-ce ♪ st. croix, full of pure vibes ♪ ♪ so nice, so ni-i-i-ce ♪ st. john, a real paradise ♪ so nice, so ni-i-i-ce ♪ proud to be from the virgin islands ♪ ♪ and the whole place nice to experience your virgin islands nice, book one of our summer packages today.
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welcome back i'm poppy harlow he in new york. bring back in our legal panel to discuss the case into the killing of michael brown. i'm joined here in new york by san danny cevallos, a criminal defense attorney and cnn legal analyst. holly hughes join us, a former prosecute and now a criminal defense attorney. let's continue this conversation. we were just having a heated discussion in the break about the photograph of the officer who killed michael brown, darn wilson. to you, holly, first, that this has not about leased by the police. and a lot of people are asking why. is that typical that you would not release this photograph?
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>> well, whether its it's typical or not, i don't think it's right. they have certainly put out there michael brown's photograph. they have released the video of michael brown allegedly stealing cigars. so, if we are going to have full disclosure, then why not put his picture out there? you don't want to paint a target on him and nobody wants to incite violence or have somebody going after him, but if you are truly innocent and if you are not doing anything wrong, then it seems a little disingenuous to put all the negative out there about the person who was shot, the victim, michael brown, and not release the officer's photograph. >> danny? >> yeah, look, if you want to say there are special rules for special cases when it comes to releasing information, that's fine. but when you take a step back and look at this like any other criminal prosecution, which we should, or investigation, then you ask yourself, is this a normal amount of time for information to be released, because everybody was upset that there was no information and then when it was released, everyone was upset at what it
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contained. >> holly's point is if you are putting the photos and the surveillance video that police say is michael brown and the convenience store right before he was killed out there, why aren't you putting the police photo out there? does she have a point? >> and my response to that, and holly, as a prosecutor, would know this building her case in chief, tough ask what is the purpose of that in a at this point can cal discovery packet, what purpose the photograph of an officer serve? the photograph of a suspect, once they are arrested or if they are in a lineup, that is part of discovery, but this is an individual whose identity is absolutely known. so, what then is the purpose of releasing photographs? the demand for information -- the government is obligated to turn over information under missouri law. s's not obligated to turn over anything and everything that the people desire. it's just not the way the law is. so, if they want a photograph and that's not part of the typical discovery packet, we can't say there's an entitlement. there maybe some moral obligation to provide it and we can talk about that, but if it's not part of a:typical discovery
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packet, not part of a typical investigative file, then i have to ask, where is the positive right for the people to have that photograph? >> you know, poply, let me jump in and respond to what danny said. i'm not suggesting it is part of the legal discovery, but what we are talking about is using media and social media to sort of get your side of the story out. this young man is dead. there is not going to be a prosecution. it is disingeneral would you you are not going after him into robbery, he is dead. you can't. so, why are we seeing this and we are not seeing anything on the officer? no, you're not entitle to the a picture of your police officer in discovery. not suggesting you are. >> a lot of people were upset because they said the media asked for it would have got sued
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if they didn't, the doj asked them not to do it. the governor said he was disappointed, accident know this was coming. we know that michael brown's family is very disappointed. they stayed this this was, you know, really just making their son a victim all over again by showing clearly what is a strong arm robbery, that police say is michael brown in that, because what we do snow that the officer who shot and killed him had not seen that video before he did. >> well, look, so what you are telling me is people are not satisfied with the customer service in releasing information by the government. what a surprise. this happens every day. but i will say that just from looking at -- the question did they complete with missouri's snooin law? and you mentioned getting sueded. yes, we would have been sued, but not in the sense we think of lawsuits. there is a cause of action to force the police to release information that they don't want to release. that's all in missouri's law. that was enacted lie a legislature, which we hope represented the people of missouri. so, missouri has a law that relates to this. if the police and law enforcement complied with that law, then they've met their
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obligation and everything beyond that, we can have a debate about whether or not they should morally release this, should we get the police officer's cable bill, other information? >> come on that's different. that is different. >> i am extending it pretty far, but the same time, once they have comp blight law and it appears in they did as long as they are doing that everything beyond that, if they are not obligated to turn it over, we shouldn't expect that they hand it another the way or the time or the nation we like, even if we, that includes me, might want to see it. we he may want to see it, we may not be entitled to it. >> one thing we do new york as the governor said, the eyes of the world are on this case, whether we like it or not, it is different because the world watching and your going to have demands from all sides and everyone weighing in eye. certainly hearing from everyone, all sides on twitter throughout. danny, holly, thank you both for coming in. we appreciate the expertise. coming up next here on the newsroom, an ebola isolation ward is attacked. patients are now on the loose. it is a very dangerous
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kurdish fighters in the weeks long siege at that dam. kurdish forces believe that they are on the verge of taking over the dam. let's bring in bob baer, national security analyst and former cia operative. how significant is this, bob, in terms of a win for the kurdish forces and from those u.s. air strikes in >> well, poppy, i think this is a true victory. the united states has been sending in ammunition and weapons to the kurds and they have clearly been able to fight. i said this a week ago, by the way, that they would turn this around. they have. and they should. continue on. and didn't important. could you flood baghdad. and administration was absolute wryly right to support them. iraq has gone very, very bad. how it's going to turn out is anybody's guess. i fully sport administration on this. >> in terms of the administration also saying the president just a little over a week ago saying they are not
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going tie lout united states to get dragged into fighting another war in iraq. you have heard the president say there is no american military solution in iraq. how much further does the u.s. reach here go? >> well, heaters thing we are gonna have to do, poppy, and that is, you know, deal with people we don't particularly like, such as the iranance, the regime in damascus, who, by the way, were bombing isis today inside syria. it's not much of choice and we don't particularly like the new regime in baghdad. it's led by a man who's a shia who has connected to a party that blew up the embassy embassy in beirut. in 1983. there are 2 million sunni tribesmen in an bar province. i'm more optimistic today than a
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long time. >> what can you tell us about be a bar back car al bag goody? you think of the leader here and figurehead of i.s.i.s. tell us about this person, what it takes to pro-he grows in the way that you believe the u.s. and kurd rush forces have at least today. >> people say he was a hug. but i listened tos i his speech, it was classical true believers, created a sort of state, call it the islamic state. this will attract a lot of people all over the arab world as well as europe and the united states.
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we need our allies. diplomacy will be part of this. >> do not write him off in terms of calling him a thug, as you say. this is a critical group for -- that is being fought very intensely here but a win, as you said, for the kurdish forces and those u.s. air strikes today. want to turn, bob to get your expertise on another big story we are following here a health care facility treating a a number of ebola patients in liberia attacked we have learned just yesterday. some of those patients then with ebola fled the isolation unit. which is obviously a huge problem. you have spent time amount ground there. can the government in liberia as you know it at this point in time contain this, give the treatment that is needed and prevent attacks like this? >> poppy, i was there before the civil war and it was chaotic enough. and it was -- they didn't have good health facilities. i can only imagine what it is like today. they fought a very long, bloody civil war. the state never recovered.
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addition lakers all right of these patients brought in from the country where people don't understand ebola. one explanation attack on this clinic was that the residents in monrovia weren't happy about the ebola patients being brought there. but worse than that, i mean, the fact that they looted the hospital and they have carried out the sheets and the beds and the equipment and the rest of it, i would imagine, i'm not a scientist, that this is going to spread the disease. what we need at this point, poppy, is an international effort. you simply can't quarantine west africa and hope for the best. you need western personnel on the ground who understand and facilities that can contain this. i don't see that happening now. but how far it could spread, i simply don't understand it well enough. yeah, well, it is a tragic situation. i was shocked when i read this happened, all the people suffering from ebola in isolation, trying to recover and this attack happened, it is
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we are closely following developments in ferguson, monsieur ray community suddenly thrust into the national spotlight after the shooting death of an unarmed teenagers, michael brown and the public's fury at how the police area's police force has responded. the police response and the community in general and the can kids there especially that i want to discuss with isha sultan, a columnist with the "st. louis post dispatch." we all haven't talked about a lot and that is the kid, the kids and the community that are watching this, that watched the shooting death of michael brown and that are watching the protests that have become violent at some points. what impact is that having on
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the them? >> these are children in school, far too young to have witnessed a slain teenager like bloody in the streets of their neighborhood and they are hearing conversations about how their community is unfairly targeted, perhaps hated. and so what sort of impact does that what have on children? psychologists i have interviewed suggest it can lead to kids feeling devalued. it can lead to hyper sensitization and being concerned when you see police officer who is actually childhood symbol of protection for many of us. when your' left with this question of will the police protect me or can hoky turn to when i need protection? and the messages you are getting are mixed, how go we build trust back up in this community? >> because those kids are the
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future. those rid kids are the future. you know, we have been hearing from a lot of parents throughout saying my kids are terrified, but hearing from the kids specifically is there something specific that stood out to you in speaking to some of these children? >> yeah, i think a lot of them respect really sure,process this right now, because these are not scenes that we are used to seeing in our country exlet alone suburban st. louis, tear gas, dogs, sort of militaristic response that we saw initially. that is something you see on television not something you see in your neighborhood or hear about, watching the news, even children watching this on the news, they are going to reexperience this, they are going to have those emotions that come up, anger, fear, confusion and so the schools, the local schools are actually going to have counselors on happened and many of the community groups that have downing have offered frdown ing -- counselling and community
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leaders, teachers, have said this is something they have to talk to kids about and reinforce that they are valued, the world is bigger that what they are seeing in this small little patch of their community right now and that they -- and that they can be agents for change to prevent thichb like happening in the future. suspect that the most important message, that you have's, you have power, people will listen to you, you have a voice? >> i think i'm smiling for the first time in covering this story because i'm so glad to hear you say that. these kids are the future of this community, of this country, of the world, and it matters so much what they see and how they react and how they feel as a result. thank you for bringing that toot-to-light and talking to us about it today. thanks, appreciate it. next, in ferguson, mississippi sour rimissouri, is now getting the justice department to do their own autopsy and family is gonna do their own as well, with a very famous pathologist. we are going to talk about who that is, next. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality
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they have also hired a high-profile pathologist to do a separate, a third autopsy. and that name is someone you probably know. let me get to alexander field. she is here with me in new york. this is a famous pathologist, michael baden. what do we know about him? >> what's important here. as you can understand, the family wantables investigation separate from the state's. we know y a lot of concern about the information being leased. what they have done, brought in michael band, he has been tested in other case, important when you bring in your own expert that he is someone who is credible and has a reputation that will proceed them. why they picked michael baden in this case. seeking justice for their son, michael brown's family adds a high-profile expert to their team, forensic pathologist, michael baden. >> we think we got one of the best in the world that you can ever have. >> reporter: bad.brought his expertise to the stand in a number of closely watched cases, famously testified in o.j. simpson's murder trial. he was chairman of the committee of pathologists that investigated the assassinations of president john f. kennedy and
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dr. martin luther king, jr. now, he will investigate the police shooting of an unarmed teen. >> why? because it ensures trust. trust is a very important thing. the family wants to know what happened. and why should they just rely upon what the authorities tell them? >> reporter: earlier this week, st. louis county medical examiner's office determined the cause of death was gunshot wounds, but said, "we are not specifying how many gunshot wounds at this point. the investigation into his death is still ongoing and the full autopsy is not likely to be released for many weeks because multiple law enforcement agencies are now involved in the investigation." mistrust between authorities and locals has exploded to the surface in ferguson, missouri, where brown's death has sparked a week of protests, looting, a shooting and sometimes violent responses from police. in their search for answer the brown family has insisted on an autopsy from a federal medical examiner and the browns will now rely on a separate investigation conducted by their own expert.
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>> what else will michael baden be looking at in this case? >> well, michael baden is going to be asking a lot of questions, not just about the autopsy, but about the gun. is there only the police officer's dna on that gun? or if there was, in fact, a struggle, is michael brown's dna on that gun as well? that would certainly say a lot about whether a struggle for the gun took place. >> and pop patience lot of people are going to wonder why three autopsies are necessary and what the differences you can find are. well, there should be a lot of conclusions that we assume will be the same. the number of bullet wounds, for example, that should all pretty much match up shall the things they are looking for are any inconsistencies an might get inconsistencies as far as opinion about the trajectory of the bullets or distance between the victim and here is the, facts important as the case moves on. >> we note department of justice said yes, going to do our own but not discounting what the state has done, be very careful to walk that line and not
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