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who shot the teen. but the results are unlikely to quiet the uproar or settle the questions stemming from brown's death. here's the very latest for you. according to the independent autopsy, brown was shot at least six times, including two gunshot wounds to the head. all of the shots were to the front of his body, according to this report. a lawyer for the family says brown's mother asked investigators whether he felt any pain when he died. attorney benjamin crump, who is representing the family, told the mother was told brown did not suffer. now national guard troops deployed. the move follows a night of confrontations between police and protesters. peaceful demonstrations spiraled out of control with gunfire. tear gas and molotov cocktails. and we've witnessed a lot of it. at this point, though, what will it take to end the violent protests? i want to bring in he is ready to call, to ask, i should say,
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for a moratorium on protesting. the national president of the black lawyers for justice, which was formerly the new black panther party. you said you're not calling, you're asking for what? >> first of all, due to those results and the people's demands for justice in this case, that they do have to march. but what we're asking for, and they're going to march tonight, and we're going to help them. but what we're going to make sure, is that after sundown, that there -- that everything ends peacefully. and that the cause is respected. and that agents and people that are here to mess up the good will of these demonstrators are not allowed to take over this. >> so you would not -- after dark, you're calling for a moratorium, you would like people -- >> after dark, we need to come in. after we march. after we support the brown family and call for the arrest of officer darren williams be and our other demands, then
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we're going to bring everybody in that's legitimate dem mon starters and bring them on in. so that nobody gets hurt or shot or gassed. >> you said there needs to be a breather and that's why you're doing it. >> there needs to be a rest at night. there certainly needs to be a rest for after sundown demonstrations. because it's being taken advantage of by people who are -- do not have the best interests of the demonstrators at heart. so the demonstration -- there will be demonstrations because, you know, the autopsy results come out. people are upset. >> so what's been your influence on the protesters? i have spoken to you. you have been here several times. you've spoken to us personally. you said you believe you have had a calming influence on the protesters, you have not tried to incite any violence? >> no, on the nights myself, black lawyers for justice, national action network, nation of islam, new black panther party, have been out here, we've kept the peace, we've kept the traffic flowing, we've kept
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people from aattacking businesses and getting in silly unnecessary provocations with the police. >> what happened with the last two nights? >> couldn't be out here. couldn't be out here last night. things descended into chaos it the overmilitarization of the police is an antagonizing point. that's why i'm worried about the national guard. >> so why do people listen -- okay, continue. >> i'm worried about the national guard being here because it's a flash point. the armored trucks and the vehicles. i would urge they be pulled out because it's a flash point. in terms of why -- >> why do you have such influence you believe? >> because they need malik shabaaz. i've been in the community for years. i'm for the end of police brutality. i'm for the arrest of darren wilson. i'm for the justice for our people. they know i'm strongly in love with black people, they listen to me. >> you're not for the violence and looting and shooting? >> that's being done by agents. i don't know where they come from. it's designed to bring more
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police presence in. we don't need more militarization of the police. we need less. we want a first amendment right for the demonstrators to get their message out. they have every right. but we have to separate ourselves from the provoker its that come here from out of town. >> do you believe you will keep people off the streets here after sundown? >> i believe i can get it up into the high 90s. a high 90%, 95%, 96%, 97%, 98% ratio. there's 2% designed to go against anything and they'll have to deal with the police on their own. >> thank you, appreciate you coming on cnn. we'll be watching. we'll get back tonight to see if it indeed happens. we appreciate you. we want to go now and talk about the president. president obama gets an update on the volatile situation in ferguson just minutes from now and he'll be briefed by attorney general eric holder.
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our correspondent michelle kosins kosinski. eric holder authorized an additional autopsy on michael brown besides the one initiated by the family. what can you tell us? >> this is interesting, it was actually asked for by the family and almost immediately the department of justice, through the attorney general, eric holder, authorized that. so this will be done by a federal medical examiner. and it will be conducted some time soon. we don't know the details of when exactly. it's possible after this meeting happens, which is expected to begin within the next 15 minutes or so, between the president and the attorney holder, we'll find out more of a time frame and anyone further on the white house or the federal government's response on this. we also know in terms of the federal response, they also have fbi agents on the ground who's been there now for a few days. they've already been conducted interviews on what we understand are some new witnesses. it's an independent investigation. the federal government by doing this isn't saying the local
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investigation at the county level or the state level is invalid or not usable or doesn't trump that. they're saying they will also use the results of the county autopsy and the other autopsy by the family. they will look at all that evidence. but obviously, the white house wanted something that was a bit above and beyond that. something else independent. and that input will be called in the end to make some determination at the federal level whether civil rights were violated here, don. >> hey, michele, it's very chaotic here, i'm sure you can hear the horns honking and people at times yelling. >> right. >> i'm not sure -- it's been reported that the white house possibly did not know about the national guard being deployed here. what do you know about that? is there any truth to that reporting? we're not reporting that but we hearing that from other organizations. >> right, we asked the white house about that specifically and we're still waiting for a response. they're aware of the report.
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they're not really sure at this point, at least they haven't gotten back to us with any more detail. what's interesting about this, is that at a state level, a governor can call in the national guard at their discretion. they sign an executive order and call them in. which the governor of missouri did in this case. he put out a statement expressing why he felt the need to do that. because of the violence that's been continuing. it's not as if he needs to notify the white house. if the white house didn't know, i mean, apparently the white house has been directly involved with officials on the state level, including the governor. one of the white house's top advisers, valley jarreterie jar been talking to him directly. we thought it was interesting he would bring in the national guard, in such a volatile situation, without the white house knowing. we, too, are wondering about that, and waiting for more information from the white house, don. >> take us forward if you would, michele, just a little bit, talk about what's likely to come out of this briefing this hour at
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the white house. do we expect any additional comments from president about the situation right here in ferguson? >> not necessarily. it's not even set up as such that there's going to be a press briefing afterwards or statements given. we don't necessarily expect to hear directly from the president. we did hear from him in the last few days. also put out a written statement. so did attorney general holder, one that was pretty lengthy. we're not expecting direct statements at this point but maybe something more from the white house in terms of details, possibly, we're talking about, the frame time of this third autopsy and what exactly the federal government's response has been up to this point and what we expect to see moving forward, don. >> all right, michelle kosinski at the white house, we appreciate your reporting, thank you very much, michelle, we'll get back to you as soon as we know more about that briefing. we know now how many times michael brown was shot. we even know which shot was fatal.
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so what will a third awe tutops tell us we tonight already know? i'm going to speak with renowned forensic scientist dr. henry lee. hey! i found my true love, livin' in a sweet dream. what matters most should always come first. that's why whole grain is first in every general mills big g cereal. and why we never use high fructose corn syrup. general mills. goodness first.
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see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. all of these entrance wounds were survivable except for the one at the top of the head that went through the brain. >> forensic pathologist michael bodden explaining the results of a second autopsy done at the request of michael brown's family. now there will be a third autopsy done by the justice department. forensic scientist dr. henry lee joins me from new haven,
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connecticut. how unusual is it for a third autopsy to be performed, what's the purpose? dr. lee, can you hear me? apparently dr. lee, we're having trouble with -- apparently we're having trouble hearing. we'll get back to dr. lee. in the meantime -- >> yes, i can hear you. >> you can hear me now, dr. lee? >> yes, i can hear you, don. >> dr. lee, how unusual is it for a third autopsy to be performed? what are we expecting it to find that the previous two autopsies didn't show? >> well, often, a case is controversial, they do multiple autopsies. any time these type of shooting case involve four very important elements. autopsy, just one.
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we have to look at the presence, absence of the gunshot residue, so-called gsr, whether or not his hands have gunshot residue, his shirt or his hair have gunshot residue. that can show us the distance. the third thing is the trajectory. because obviously all the shots was on the right arm, right side. however, we have to understand the human anatomy. a person is in movement or their hands raised, so that shot, trajectory, really don't know yet. the last thing is actually the most important thing is to reconstruct the sequence of events and show what's the direction of the officer, what's the direction of michael brown, and what's the relative distance and the position. those still unknown. >> okay. are you satisfied, though,
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doctor, that you know what happened based on the first two autopsies, or do you still have questions? >> well have a lot of questions. the autopsy, as i say, only give partial answer. it's so important, waiting for the laboratory result. let's say, michael brown's hands have gunshot residue, which could consist with some of the statements saying he grabbed the gun. absence of the gunshot residue may tell us a different thing. or so the shot people say fire from the back, it's nonsense because it's clearly looking at dr. baden's autopsy charting, everything is on the right side, it's at the front. so whether or not michael brown leaning forward is a possibility. that's why i have to determine the trajectory. and from the trajectory, then we
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can reconstruct the shooting. >> okay. if you were conducting this autopsy, dr. lee, what would you be most interested in finding out? >> i'm not a pathologist. i investigate a lot of police shooting case in my career. most importantly, the thing i want to see, the wound, what's the pattern, what's the entrance wound, exit wound, those graze wounds. maybe a single shot can call one or more bullet holes, exits, entrance, reentrance. so that only can show us one shot. instead of, say, individual was shot six times, which we not really know how many times exactly was shot because only three bullets was found. in addition, the distance, know
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the distance from the gun barrel to the wound. that's crucial to find out. and of course as i indicate, this trajectory, the sequencing event, reconstruction. so the community have to really have patience waiting for the reconstruction. you don't want to make a mistake. before all the known facts. >> so you said, you know, you have to wait and we're waiting as well on toxicology reports. they have proven to be beneficial and to, you know, to let investigators know what happened. when will we get toxicology reports, you think? >> toxicology report will not change the shooting event. toxicology report only indicate whether this person is intoxicated or not. just like the autopsy report
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yesterday shows how many bullet holes, entrance wound, the possible bullet trajectory. you have to wait for gsr, that's what they say, the gunshot residue. we have to determine whether or not have a gun powder residue open his hand, on his clothing, on his hair. the second thing, we have to look at reconstruction. some of the bullets through and through can cause some high velocity blood spatter. we want to see where those blood stains are located. then you can determine a regional location when the gun was discharged. and subsequent leading to his final position. >> all right, forensic scientist dr. henry lee, we appreciate your expertise. we are live in ferguson, missouri. we want to tell you, every media has had to move. cnn is the only media still at the qt, this location where we are now, able to conduct
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interviews, because we have a live broadcast going on. so we're going to talk more, including news about the officer involved in the shooting what we know about darren wilson, and what's next in the investigation. that's when we come right back here on cnn. so still ahead, we'll talk about that. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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hopes the investigations will shed full light on the killing and justice will be done. he calls on all to exercise restraint and for law enforcement officials to abide by the united states and international standards in dealing with these demonstrations. this is coming from our u.n. correspondent richard roth from secretary-general ban ki-moon. moving on. just down the road here in st. louis, another group of protesters chanting a very different chorus. a few dozen people, fed up with what they are calling biyagsed coverage, they decided to hold a rally in support of officer darren wilson, the man who shot and killed michael brown. they say the people protesting in ferguson simply don't understand the way the justice system works. >> i don't think the black community understands the system. there's, again, there's a process. you know, they're screaming about why isn't he arrested, why isn't he in jail?
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well, without the investigation being done, you can't go apply for a warrant. once the person's been arrested, if you can't get a warrant in 24 hours, they have to be released. that's black and letter law. >> the protesters, by the way, most of whom were white, showed up in front of a local tv station and brought pro-wilson t-shirts that sold out very quickly. want to get more on officer darren wilson. we turn to our very own brian todd in washington for that. what have we learned about the officer? >> since friday when his name was revealed we've learned a few bits and pieces. he is 18 years old. a six-year police officer. four of those years with the ferguson police. he according to a friend, who we spoke to on the friend, the friend did not want to be named because this friend says he's been getting death threats, but this friend told us officer wilson got divorced last year. that he has a child from that marriage. but when i asked if officer
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wilson has any racist tendencies, if he'd ever displayed anything like that, this friend said, quote, absolutely not, he's not the type of person who would do that in public or in private with friends. there you have a picture from a facebook page of officer wilson getting a commendation there with the police department. this friend told me that he had spoken to officer wilson briefly since the shooting of michael brown. i asked about officer wilson's disposition. the friend would only say, quote, he's struggle, but he is safe. that's what we know about him in bits and pieces. we're getting more information, inquiring with friends and possible relatives who we can find in that area of officer wilson and his disposition right now. we do know, 28 years old, no disciplinary record. that's an important thing to remember, that we've learned, he is considered a very good officer by the ferguson police department up until this incident. and he is staying at a secure location, don. >> what is the process for him
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returning to active duty? maybe we're getting, you know, a little bit ahead of ourselves. i don't even know if that's even in the workins yet. >> we've been asking about that, don. i've been calling the ferguson police and the ferguson mayor's office to ask about that. we know he's suspended for the moment. and he is being of course investigated by the local authorities. as for the process for reinstating him, we are not quite sure about that. we've got calls in to see, you know, look, where are we in this. is he going to be working part time? has he got some other assignment? there were indications i think on friday he might have some other assignment, temporarily. we're trying to get more information about that and hope to have more later. >> all right, brian todd, thank you very much. when we come right back, we're going to continue our reporting live from ferguson, missouri. several developments here. one group calling for a nighttime moratorium on protests. also, results of a second autopsy in. as well as the national guard
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will be on the scene here soon in ferguson. we're back in just moments here on cnn. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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gathering. before i go on, i want to say, i'm don lemon, live in missouri. i want to welcome viewers from here in the united states and around the world. if you look around, this place is probably the quietest it has been in days. that's because police officers came in shortly before this broadcast and they ask everyone, nonessential media, if you didn't have a live show, to leave and go to the staging area which is about a quarter mile down the road. they're removing everyone from here. again, this is not confirmed, but this is what we're hearing, that this may possibly be a staging location for the national guard. again, not confirmed. it is interesting they're asking everyone to leave this location for the first time ever. earlier in the day, they had asked people to -- they could continue to protest as long as they did it peacefully. they said they could not congregate here. it could just be another way of them tamping down some of the anger and some of the violent protests going on earlier. of course as you know some of our reporters and producers were caught in the mayhem last night.
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i was one of them. with police officers and with some violent protesters as that curfew from midnight until 5:00 a.m. went into play. in the meantime, the lawyers for michael brown's family say the independent autopsy shows no evidence he was involved in a struggle. police said brown reached into officer wilson's car in a struggle over the officer's gun. the attorneys held a press conference today where they discussed the autopsy results. the lawyer, daryl parks, raised questions about the gunshot to the top of brown's head. and the findings could add to the already volatile situation in the st. louis suburb. my colleague george howell is here in ferguson. he's been witnessing all of it with me. george, are you hearing any reaction to the autopsy results, to the people you are speaking to? >> don, people are talking about it. how it plays out later today is quite honestly anybody's guess. a lot of things are happening. as you mentioned, people are being moved, people have been told to leave the location there at that quick trip where you are
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presently. that was a big deal because if you remember over the last several days, don, that has been the place where people have come together during the day to have peaceful protests. now it is certainly a change of policy. remember all this under the direction of captain johnson, who apparently is instructing people to leave that location. as far as the autopsy is concerned, it does really open up a lot of questions. because now it shows that the bullets going into the victim's body, there are many different scenarios as to how that could have happened. a lot of people have questions about that. and the other question is how does the national guard fit into this puzzle. how do they work with state troopers? do they bring military equipment in? you'll remember that the police had been criticized for having what seems to be a police state. a military presence. how does it play out when the national guard comes in? we'll have to wait and see, don.
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>> absolutely, george, because we -- the only thing we have heard is that the national guard is coming in. we don't know -- we're not exactly sure what -- the entire role will be. obviously will be to keep order. who will be in charge. whether it will be a shared responsibility. so far, we've not gotten any of those answers. you're at that staging area. are you hearing anything about that? or about the possibility of a briefing any time soon? >> no. you know, we have some calls in to the national guard to try to get some answers for that. so we're working on trying to get some understanding of how this will play out. but, you know, i want to set the context here. we're talking about where you are. really, starting where you are, for about one mile, down west floresent road, that's ground zero of the situation. you talk about these three different groups. i saw it the first night that it happened. these three groups. people who come together to
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protest peacefully. that's the majority, it seems. then it's a smaller number of people. some people who come in really to cause problems. looting. also throwing projoectiles back at police. that's when police said they had to response. again, people here say that response has been too heavy handed, don. >> all right, our george howell reporting. george, we'll see you soon on cnn. up next, other news for you. we're going to talk about the fight outside of america. a fierce battle has been raging to retake the mosul dam from isis fighters. (son) oh no... can you fix it, dad? yeah, i can fix that. (dad) i wanted a car that could handle anything. i fixed it! (dad) that's why i got a subaru legacy. (vo) symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 36 mpg.
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>> that's a missile strike. >> yes. >> i have been out at the site overlooking mosul dam most of the day. i'm seeing officials of the kurdish regional government. that they have managed to capture, recapture, mosul dam. this is a huge win for the peshmerga forces, the kurdish forces, who have been battling the isis militants for weeks now. obviously, isis took the mosul dam earlier this month, which is
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the largest hydroelectric dam in the country providing power to most of the country, mosul and baghdad. it was also considered a real threat that isis could potentially sabotage this dam, open the floodgates or blow it up, which would be absolutely catastrophic. but the peshmerga forces have been pushing for days now. we were there, embedded with them, as they advanced. obviously, lots of explosions. lots of heavy weaponry used against them. they've really managed to achieve this huge victory. 15 air strikes alone today to recapture mosul dam, don. >> all right, anna coren reporting from dohuk, iraq. we apologize for the little glitch. that can happen sometimes. missouri's governor calling
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crenshaw, speaking on cnn this morning, explaining why they decided to take a video as michael brown lay mortally wounded in the street. i want to bring in rem reverend herring. earlier we heard from the national president of the black lawyers for justice. he called for a five-day stop on all public protests after dark. in your opinion, though, will this community heed this request? or are emotions too high that people feel compelled to company out again tonight? >> i thing emotions are extraordinarily high. the sentiment on the street, as we understand it, as we've been working with young people for the last few days, people are still determined to seek justice. when we talk to young people today, many of them were indicating they were waiting for a righteous investigation and an indictment of the officer and they are insistent about that. i think what weem seen ov've see last few days are young people,
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adults, even elderly persons using their constitutional rights to push for a righteous intervention by law enforcement in this case. and i think that the provocation by the police last evening and the threatening intense environment they set up certainly didn't help things at all. >> governor jay nixon calling in the national guard, do you think the national guard will help restore order or inflame passions more? >> that's hard to call. i think what will restore order is if justice was done in this case. when you talk to the rank and file person, these beautiful young people and their parents. consistently, they're saying they will stay at this until justice is done. >> you've been out with the protesters. and i think you've been marching with them. i know you've been out mingling with them and talking with them. what's your take on how police have responded? >> i think the sentiment on the part of the protesters, on the
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part of just even regular citizens who live in ferguson, is the police have been heavy handed. that peaceful protesters have been met with a militarized police force. that used tactics that have escalated and created a great deal of tension. i think people should not forget, these are young people. these are young people who have been traumatized because one of their ranks was slaughtered in the street. some of them saw that. they certainly saw michael brown's body laying in that street for hours. and until there's an effort on the part of the government officials here and part of law enforcement to actually understand that unrest, continuing unrest is likely. >> but i'm sure we have to run, reverend, i'm sure you're not condoning the violence and people looting or wreaking haven on the community. >> no, in fact, i would want to stand in witness of these beautiful young people who have been organizing themselves who have been protesting
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nonviolently. they do not approve of violence. they're simply saying we have been hurt, we have been wounded is anyone listening. that's the question they're posing to america right now. is anyone listening to the pleas, to the cries, of these young children who are predominantly african-american. they're asking, are we citizens too? will anyone hear us? if they hear us, will anyone do something? that thing they're asking, that thing that they're asking, they're asking for justice, these are beautiful people, beautiful peaceful young people, and we're here to support and encourage them. >> thank you very much, reverend. also hearing from my producers, i don't have confirmation of this, but i'm hearing according to the governor, there will nobody curfew tonight. of course we know that curfew usually from midnight to 5:00 a.m. governor nixon says no curfew tonight on monday night here in ferguson, missouri. i've just getting the information here again. there will nobody curfew tonight in ferguson, missouri, according to a statement from governor nixon. also outlined the missouri
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israeli soldiers will be discussed at fresh talks in a month's time. make sure you stay with cnn for the very latest on the easing of restrictions at the gaza border. in the meeblt, back here in america, our attention has been focused this week on the racial protests in ferguson, missouri. violent and chaotic at times, but we have seen much worse in this country. this is a "new york times" front page, august 14th, 1965. race riots raging in los angeles. racial tensions erupting across the country. racial problems then and now a part of our american journey. >> six days of rioting in a negro section of los angeles left behind scenes war-torn cities. more than 100 square blocks decimated by fire and looters. nearly 3,000 arrested. and authorities had to open abandoned jails to house those netted by the police. it took the appearance of 14,000 troops to bring an end to what both negro and white leaders called insurrection by hoodlums.
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>> looting, murder and arson have nothing to do with civil rights. they are criminal conduct. your president calls upon all of our people in all of our cities to join in a determined program to maintain law and order. >> return to your vehicles. return to your homes. >> hands up! don't shoot! >> hands up, don't shoot. >> department of justice is consulting with local authorities about ways they can maintain public safety without restricting the right of peaceful protest and while avoiding unnecessary escalation. >> disperse immediately. this is no longer a peaceful protest when you try to injure
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people. >> there is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. there's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests. or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights. >> stand down for michael brown! >> don't shoot! don't shoot! >> put simply, we all need to hold ourselves to a high standard, particularly those of us in positions of authority. >> martin luther king iii was here in ferguson yesterday and joins me from atlanta. thank you for joining us. you spoke a couple times about the need for change among police departments and not just here in ferguson. what do you think needs to change? >> well, you know, i think that there are a number of dramatic things that can happen. one of the things that the community said to me was, we
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would like for the prosecuting attorney to recuse themselves, because he has shown some biasness, as it relates to -- to me, that's a significant act. who knows if he may do that. but certainly, that is something the community is requesting. and, in fact, over 20,000 signatures have been already signed up to do that. the second thing -- one of the things i said, we see captain johnson doing what you call community policing. that is something that needs to be immediately put in place, or as soon as possible. the other things i've said are, human relations training, diversity and sensitivity. and then finally -- >> right. >> over a longer period of time, training and jobs. that probably could begin to subside some things. but those are long-term issues. >> you talked about what police need to do with, you know, the leaders need to do.
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what does the community need to do? >> well, the community, i believe, has already demonstrated it is doing constructive things. young people came out the other night and tried to stop some of the looting. it appears there's a very, very small element of people who are engaged in this -- the looting. i'm not sure it is known who those individuals are. but the reality is, i think the community -- you know, you shouldn't let two or three small things spoil the whole bunch. and i think the way it is portrayed, you know, you've got a lot of voluatilitvolatility. i think maybe some of what we are hearing might help. for example, i heard you announce there may not be a curfew tonight. that might begin to help the situation. although the national guard will be there. but the community, until the community feels some sense of a
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victory, unfortunately, these kind of things could continue to crop up. >> and more tin luther king jr. iii. you're calling for an independent prosecutor. can you confirm that for us? >> the community is. i'm not calling for anything. obviously, you know, i don't live in that community so i can't call for that. what i can say, community leaders have said we would like to have an independent prosecutor, because the current prosecutor displayed biasness. >> all right. martin king iii, thank you. i appreciate you joining me here on cnn. join us tonight between 10:00 and midnight eastern time. especially edition of cnn tonight. and also tomorrow night at 10:00, cnn in america, a special town hall. the subject is going to be the one gripping ferguson and america and that's race. how can we make sure what's happening here doesn't go on across the country. "race in america" cnn tonight, town hall event. join us at 10:00 eastern and
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tonight at 10:00 eastern, as well. that is it for me. for our viewers on cnn international, stay with us for "news center." and for viewers on cnn in the united states, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. and we begin with ferguson, missouri. tonight when the sun goes down there, there will not be a curfew, but there will be national guard troops geared up to deal with any trouble. and speaking of trouble, there was plenty of it overnight. >> an arrest. >> tear gas, molotov cocktails. skies lit up again, despite the curfew last night. these protesters' message was marred by the bad behavior of just a few. this is according