and they're trying to disperse the protesters from the streets. it was supposed to be a peaceful night with no curfew. the governor ordering, lifting that curfew and bringing in members of the national guard. the next hour of cnn tonight starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello. we've been watching this unfold for the last 20 minutes. it started with some people throwing bottles in the crowd, we believe. and some protesters clashing. you can see members of tactical units as well as the national guard. there are members of the community out on bull horns telling people everyone off the street. and you can hear that loud noise, sort of a percussion. i don't know the term for it.

it is so harsh on the ears, it gets people to disperse. part of the equipment that has been, that local police departments have gotten from the excess, from the overflow of the pentagon, from the wars of iraq and iran. i'm going there. jake tapper is out in the crowd. ed lavendera as well. you're right in the middle of it. what's going on? >> reporter: right now, you see the community leader that we've been following for much of the night as the parade marched up and down the street here is trying to convince people to move back, to move back. >> watch out, watch out. >> reporter: look at this. coming down the middle of the street. check this out.

ed lavendera, what do you have? >> hey, don, you saw that armored vehicle cut its way through the crowd to get to the other side. what is fascinating here is that there is a group of men trying to disperse the crowd. these are not the authorities. these are local religious leaders who have come out here tonight trying to get the people who would be most willing to listen to them. listen to this man with the bull horn. so he's trying to organize the line and trying to get people to listen to what he's doing. and trying to form a line of protesters between them and the line of officers that are coming down the line there. and they've been pleading over and over again the authorities to give them more time so they

themselves can get the situation under control. so you have a divide crowd. a number of people who are trying to push forward up on this street. then you have several people from the crowd with bull horns trying to organize and get the calm restored and everybody to continue demonstrating and continuing to march in the circle around the street here. whether or not they'll be able to hold this together isn't really clear because there is a great deal of tension and anger and scrutiny at this point. but it looks like they're slowly starting to improve the situation. we'll see, it is very delicate at this point. just off to the side trying to listen to what these men with the bull horns are saying, trying to get these crowds to organize and calm down quite a bit. >> and ed, as you are there and trying to get information, the word i was looking for was el

rad. an acoustic device that they use to disperse large crowds like this when there is a rowdy situation. ed davis, former police commissioner of boston, what do you make of the response here and the presence? >> it's troubling to see these images. we need to have cooler heads prevail in this situation. the police have a responsibility to protect lives and property. so if someone is being assaulted or hurt in that crowd, then they're moving in appropriately. sighting down the scope of a rifle just to see what's going on down the road is ill advised. those weapons should be put down until there is a threat that justifies them. and i think that someone needs to say that. >> jake tapper is out on the streets as well. jake, for the moment, it appears to have quieted down where we

are. we did see a huge force of police officers heading the other way, closer to that quick trip where you and i have been staged. >> reporter: i want to show you this. okay? to give you an idea of what's going on. the protesters. they've moved all the way down there. they're about half a block down. john, watch with me. they're all the way down there. nobody is threatening anything. nobody is doing anything. none of the stores here that i can see are being looted. there is no violence. now i want you to look at what is going on in ferguson, missouri, in downtown america, okay? these are armed police. with machine -- not machine guns, semi-automatic rifles, with batons, with shields, many of them dressed for combat. now why they're doing this, i don't know.

because there is no threat going on here. none that merits this. there is none. okay? absolutely there have been looters, absolutely over the last nine days there's been violence but there is nothing going on on this street right now that merits this scene out of bagram. nothing. so if people wonder why the people of ferguson, missouri are so upset, this is part of the reason. what is this? this doesn't make any sense. >> yeah. and jake, many people have been wondering about what they're calling the over militarization of police departments, especially in the wake of the wars of iraq and iran and getting, and afghanistan, i should say, and getting this equipment from the pentagon.

juliet, do you think there should have been a curfew put in place tonight? would that have helped? >> it might have. eventually there won't be a curfew. so what's happening is a police department and a public safety apparatus that doesn't seem to know how to allow lawful demonstrations and let people peacefully protest the murder of, or the death of a teenager. so eventually the curfew would have to be lifted. and i think the challenge, the fear i have looking at this, what is everyone's orders at this stage? the national guard has been deployed. it's been deployed by the governor. that means it is you understand technical terms, under state duty. it is working under the governor's per view. what rules are guiding what they're allowed to do? are they allowed to arch the national guard might be allowed to do depending on what the rules are. are they just there for force

protection? keeping up on it, i think we're seeing this vicious cycle of force protection justifying more and more forces. you have the police. and then you're worried that they're not safe so you add more police. then you worry that they're not safe and you add the national guard. at some stage we need political leadership to step in and say everyone take a step back. i think we're at a vicious cycle of trying to justify more and more assets coming to the streets there. >> and charles, getting back to the conversation about race and the disconnect between the police departments and the community, especially among people of color, why such show of force? that is a very good question here. >> it is absolutely a great question. and i find something incredibly troubling and historically incould not groos about the

images we see tonight and over the last few days. of police officers with rifles and batons and shields and gas masks which were invented by a black man. gas masks which were invented by a black man, garrett morning arch and gas being used against hordes of black people. most of whom have been protesting peacefully. and you know, jay had a great quote. the most dangerous creation of any society is a man who has nothing to lose. and in some way, we are reaping what we have sown as a society because we have whole generations of black and brown men who grow up in oppressively, oppressive inequality and they

reject that at some point. no one can bend forever before they break. i think what we are seeing is an expression of that. and we have to deal with that underlying cause and not just continue to meet this kind of unruliness with overwhelming force. >> hey, charles, i need to get back to jake tapper. jake? >> reporter: i'm not exactly sure what's going on. the police drove an armored vehicle into the streets and then several armed members of the police went in, grabbed a guy who was holding a jug full of something. i don't know if it was something that they thought was a threat or not. i'm not exactly sure what it was. yes, it's my fault. obviously they thought one of

the gentlemen in the crowd, one of the protesters had something that was a threat of some sort. and they grab him and arrested him. i don't know what it was or what the situation was exactly. but they grabbed him. and seemed to be relatively nonviolent in their abduction of him. in their i suppose, arrest of him. i don't know if he's actually been under arrest. >> okay. jake attemtapper, i want to youd by as well as all may guests. we're going to get back to the breaking news. we're live here in ferguson, missouri. more details on what exactly is going on and why such a show of force by law enforcement from what appears to be all accounts from our perspective, bottle throwing. ♪

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we're back now live with breaking news in ferguson, missouri. you're at scenes playing out. that was the man who joined us a short time ago who was trying to keep the peace here on the streets. you see a large prenls of police officers in tactical gear.

and the govern ordering the national guard here as well. there they are with their guns to the sides. some of them pointing them, not at people but we have seen them holding guns out in front of them. i want to get to ed lavandera. what are you seeing? >> reporter: i was just about five feet away from the two men that were recently arrested. we saw the squad vehicles. that was one of the vehicles that we saw. and going after two or three men. we were just right behind him. he had a milk jug fill with some sort of pink fluid and he had a glove frg could have up his hand. i do not know if it was a cocktail or some sort of possible weapon. but they were beau incredibly defined. those were some of the two people that were causing some of

the most problems. i'm going to get away here in one second. i have someone -- >> i want to listen to -- >> just one second. we'll come back if you can. >> absolutely. i want to listen to malik shabazz out on the street. >> we can't hear it from where we are. he is trying to get people. we have a shot of him here in the yellow shirt. he is trying to get people standing in. there he is. he was at the top of the hour, at 10:00 eastern trying to get that. saying that he called for a five-day moratorium on protests after sundown. and had hoped that he could help corral some of the violence tonight. and now it is all playing out here. but basically, what we have seen, bottle throwing and i'm

not sure if it is rocks or what have you. but there is a very heavy police presence here. i want to talk to some of the members of the community here. shirley davis is here. she lives here in ferguson and also, pastor willis jones is here from the wellspring church. what do you make of what's going on, pastor? >> for many, it is necessary but it is sad, the magnitude and the, some of the decisions. but it is understandable in a lot of respects. i'm not condoning any one thing but we have to understand, there is a lot of frustration, a lot that has to be addressed here. >> and listen, no one is condoning any one who starts violence. but it appears from what is happening, that there is a big, an overabundance of force for lack of a better word.

do you feel that? >> most certainly. i think that the people that are in gear do not realize the frustration of these young people, and what they've been going through. not just young but seeing the black, our black youth being killed and nothing being done about it. and i think that the city of ferguson officials thought that maybe this would just go away. but it is not going anywhere. i'm hoping that the prosecuting attorney will do what is necessary to bring this person, charge him, make some effort to calm this crowd. it is not going away. it will not go away. >> and i think that is the ultimate solution. to bring justice to the family and to actually get to the bottom of exactly what happened. if we can bring it back to what's happening tonight. did you ever think you would see this much force?

>> no, sir. >> in your city. >> no, sir, i live and work and play here. we need to understand the contin continueum we're on. none of us ever imagined it to be like this. >> we want to get back to some of the pictures and show you what's happening here out in the crowd here on the streets of ferguson, missouri. there you see the presence of police officers. and also, the national guard obviously out in force as well. the governor calling them in. first to juliette, how did this devolve into this? >> well, there is no single way this happened. clearly, regionally the police were overwhelmed with what was lawful and peaceful demonstrations or protest that's were simple requests for more

information. i think if you can look back at the last eight days, what we've seen is a focus on adding more police. and then eventually the national guard and often the justification is force protection. whenever the police were feeling threatened, there would be more police officers aed and then the national guard. none of this was inevitable. as i said, because this was a lawful protest. and the militarization as it is often called of police departments in the wake of 9/11 and post iraq and afghanistan, it was done in a way in which small police departments were allowed to purchase equipment that they had no use having. i can understand big cities like new york city or boston with their s.w.a.t. teams. but these small police departments had no reason for having equipment like this. so we'll have to think about ways in which we change that

dynamic. another potential change, i think to sort of relieve the stresses of what's going on is obviously, get some political leadership in here. i don't quite understand why we're only at police officers and demonstrators. and we can't put this on police only. this is a political and racial problem. >> and i've got to get to jake tapper. jake, you're down in the crowd. are you with malik now? >> reporter: yeah, yeah. let's listen to him. >> we want an end to police brutality of we want officer darren wilson arrested. we're not going to let outside infiltrators come in and destroy our good movement. when say there are agents -- >> intentional provocateurs. they've been here every day to provoke the police to attack us. we can't allow this movement to

be destroyed. we are here for justice. >> who are you suggesting they are? >> all i can tell you is they're infiltrators. they're here and they're provocateurs. they try it every night and i am determined with the forces we are boringing with that i will not allow it. i won't see women and children out here hurt and i'm not going to see the tide turned against and move in the favor of the police. that's not right. we want to exercise our constitutional rights and act like we're civilized and got some sense. >> how tenuous is this? >> extremely tenuous. i risked my life out. there i don't know what's in them guns they got. i'm telling you, i won't see this end in a disaster tonight. i'm not going to see what happened last night tonight. >> when they went over there and arrested some guy who was holding a jug full of something. >> a provocateur. he is not with us.

he is a plant. i don't know who he is planted by but he is not with us. he is here to make this look bad. and we don't want to make it look bad. i want to tell that you the message tonight was tense but it edged in peace. we'll be back to demonstrate in the future. we don't need no national guard. we don't need all of that. we need community volunteers to come out here and keep the peace. we need more men and people to stem up to keep the peace. these people will listen to us. they'll lnl to me but we have to be willing to step up. i'm a lawyer. i'm not no security man. i put my life on the line. i age going to see it happen tonight. >> if you are, thank you very much. stand by. i want to get to ed davis. we have been talking about forceful do you think the force was warranted? there may be some who think this am of force is warranted considering what has happened here and what's going on? >> i'm not getting a full picture of what's happening.

i mention someday troubling things that i saw before. sighting down the rifles and armored cars moving in when there was no gunfire being received. but in the last few minutes, i've seen some encouraging things. they started to pull back into a line. you need to have a line there. you need to have discipline in that line. and these protocols that we've all trained for, are very important. you need to have a disciplined line that you can move it forward and you can move it backwards and de-escalate. some of these officers have on gas masks and they left them on for a long period of time and no gas has been deployed. someone has to give the order to put those gas masks away. you want to ratchet it down as much as possible. i can see some signs of that happening and more of that has to ham. a tactical retreat on the part of the police is not a bad thing

in a situation like this. >> ed davis -- >> go ahead. >> i want to ask you this. just for balance here. there are people who say you cannot throw things at police officers. if you throw things at police officers, you should expect that there should be some force that happens back. >> if you're throwing rocks and bottles at police officers, yes, that's true. but if there are things coming that aren't injurious to the situation, that's a different situation. the officers have to be very care wfl the force they employ. and just like in the continueu mumpb of force, it has to be consistent with the threat that you're seeing. and unless i'm missing something here, there hasn't been molotov cocktails tonight. if that kind of activity happens, then all of this is warranted. i just haven't seen it.

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something was thrown in the air. two bottles about five minutes apart. there was water bottles. it appears to be nothing but a fluid but some were worried that it was a molotov cocktail or something might catch fire. it was really just water. and it happened by two people in there trying to antagonize. people in the crowd saw and it pushed them out and said we don't wasn't causing problems anymore. >> you called them anarchists. >> one person was. the other person, i was told by people in the crowd that they're from a revolutionary communist group in illinois. both were in the crowd. both white. two people said go back to your neighborhood with that instead of coming in here and messing with us. they didn't want to be lumped in with these two people. >> do you think that's what started this off? >> i know it did. as soon as they threw it, police start to encroach, the crowd got scared. they didn't know what was going on. >> do you hear members of the

community, malik saying outside actors that have come in and infiltrated. is he correct with that. >> he is absolutely correct. ted same analysis that many people have. some are coming from the west coast, some from the midwest. they're coming to antagonize. their whole belief is that if there is enough unrest, there will be a revolt. they want to see the violence and antagonism. but it is literally three or four people in the crowd for every 500 people. >> i want to get to mark o'marya. you had spent the bulk of your career fighting for equal justice and people may not realize that. especially when it comes to the criminal justice system. for people of color. when you see this happening on the streets of an american city, what goes through your head? >> it's unbelievably sad. it is convincing people that the rule of law may not work. my concern with what's happening over the past several days is the absolute vacuum of good leadership from the police end and the political end.

my concern is that they get such, the people are getting such different signals and messages that they don't know how to react. first as a curfew. then there's not. no national guard. now there is. walk, run, stand still, don't stand still. it is that chaos that i think is coming down from the leadership that is causing the problems. i'm very afraid that it is going to do what these anarchists may want and devolve into an attack. because one thing thrown with a flame attached to it and one shot fired, this thing goes down the tubes very quickly and we lose the whole purpose. let's look for that equality that we know doesn't exist. we're fighting for it but it is not there yet. >> so doctor, you said that the biggest finaling coming from the autopsy today is that making brown was hit from the front. do you think that any of this helped to set off some of this? the frustration and the number of shots? do you think the autopsy had anything to do with this?

>> well, donald, at the end of the day, we're talking about a shooting that resulted in the death of an 18-year-old. the question was, was this shooting justifiable? and the autopsy provides some information. we know that six shots were fired. there's a lot of things we don't know. there is physical evidence that is going to contribute a lot of information. we need to know about gunshot residue. not only on mr. brown's clothing but also, in the passenger compartment of the vehicle. we need to know if there is dna evidence on the gun which will tell us whether mr. brown actually did contact that gun in the alleged struggle to take control of the weapon. we don't know how many shell case wrgs collected. we don't know how many shots were actually fired by the

police officer. we know that six bullets hit mr. brown. but there could have been many more shots fired. so where are those bullets? where are the bullets that hit mr. brown? only three have been recovered. there is just so much information that needs to be put together that will supplement the eyewitness testimony which we know is very unreliable. you have a lot of different stories. and i would prefer to put my faith in the physical evidence. it doesn't lie. it has to be interpreted properly. the autopsy information clearly is very important. but it is only a part of overall big picture to help us understand what happened. >> why don't we stop speculating and see if that helps. what's happening is whoever it is, police, whatever, are

releasing these tidbits of information that only cause people to be antagonized one side or the other. if it is a statement from a com to a girl, a female friend, it antagonizes. if it is a partial autopsy, it antagonizes. what's happening is people are so raw in the way they're feeling about this event that every little sintilia of evidence. we like it in the public but we as the lawyers know, this is not good for the case. and getting it out in the public like this is not doing anything for the integrity of the case itself. so might be we should stop speculating about every little dust speck. and maybe it will give people a chance to catch their breath and calm down a bit. >> everyone stand by. we're going to get back to our guests. back with our breaking news.

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we're back with our breaking news. as fate would have it, the thing that happen during the

commercial break you don't often see on television. as we were in the commercial break, a number of people started scattering toward the media tent. at least twice, we're not sure what's going on, mark lamont hill is with me. you saw a bottle thrown. >> the police are moving in. much closer than all night. few had weapons drawn, a few had machine guns or whatever they are drawn there. there was a bottle thrown there and someone was on the ground. closest to the bench area. and again, they were pulling someone who threw something. >> and it's interesting. just within the course of an hour, mark, not even an hour. there were hundreds of people out here and now they're gone. and when you look at the am of force here. it is unbelievable to see.

>> the tension is on the police side at this point. there are people doing a few thing they should not be doing. when you look at the am of law enforcement agents here, when you go up the street, there are tanks after tanks. far more law enforcement agents here and there. >> police saying we don't know what we're up against. maybe they know about fire power in this community is something we don't know as people just swooping in here. >> surely there is not enough fire power in this audience. all i've seen are signs. all i'm saying, they can have security measures but the way they're approaching, it makes it more volatile than it needs to be. >> i think mark o'mara brings up a good point about both sides fanning the flame, releasing tidbits of information and that only fuels the unrest here. >> right. the people advocating for

transparency for police are doing it. >> jake, what are you seeing? >> it's interesting. what happens is a number of individuals, provocative, saying provocative things. trying to provoke the police. trash talking. and then the police, a big group of six to a dozen. will swarm in. grab the person, arrest the person. and then swarm back. it's very odd. clearly these individuals are trying to provoke. as we've heard individuals talk about before, there are people in the crowd. a minority. but they're there who are trying to instigate with the police. and the bait is certainly taken. >> yeah. jake, i see you out marching with the kroufld jake will be

out with the crowd. he'll be reporting from there. ed is out in the crowd as well and we'll be here for you all evening until this situation calms down, you will see us here on cnn. we're back with our live breaking news coverage on the other side of a short break.

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you are watching breaking news on cnn. those are the live pictures from ferguson, missouri. a heavy presence of police on the street. the national guard is in town. governor jay nixon ordering them to come in. and most of the protesters are gone. they had been dispersed by members of the police department here. many different police departments. joining me now is charles, the cnn political commentator and op ed columnist for the new york times. also, mark lamont hill. a little later know kevin jackson is going to join us here

as well. kevin jackson, a conservative commentator will join us here on cnn. charles, let's talk about the pictures you're seeing. what we are witnessing here on cnn. the live pictures. >> yeah. in a way, it's kind of sad. no one ever wants to see violence. no one ever wants to see things get out of control. you want the peaceful protesters who appear to far vastly outnumber the people being unruly, to be able to express themselves which is their constitutional right. and you want them to actually be able to articulate their position which is that they want to support for the vast majority of them, they want to support michael brown's family as they seek to find out exactly what happened to their son. >> charles, is that a way to get

support? because you know, as a man who is in charge of the situation here, you can jump in here too. he said all along that this is a distraction from what is important here. that is death of michael brown. the legacy of michael brown. what his family is dealing with. the disconnect between the police department and members of the community. is this a way to get that done? to prove your point? >> i don't understand what the this is in the question. if you're saying, is this protesting and coming out and letting people know that you have a voice and let people know that you want to show up -- >> no, no. i think he is talking about the people who are looting and shooting and breaking into businesses. >> no one endorses that. i haven't heard a single voice of any leader anywhere endorse that. in fact, everyone has said, that

is not what they want. the family has said, that is not what they want. no one has endorsed that. you get a bunch of people together. some people are sometimes unruly. that is not necessarily some sort of racial pathology though. it is no more racial pathology in this case than it was in seattle when they were being unruly during the world trade organization protests. and burning things and crashing. >> exactly. i think you have to understand that sometimes there are people in a crowd even when other people have good motivations. they want to just express themselves. express their views. when you, when anybody suggests that, that is racist in and of itself. >> kevin jackson is joining us now. have you been able to watch these pictures? i want to get your take on what you're seeing here.

>> i have, don. and you know, quite frankly i find it appalling. i mean, i sympathize with the family. i want to say that up front. i sympathize with the situation with michael brown. what his parents are going through. the situation that we're involved in right now is a tragedy all in itself. we did not lose a civil rights leader. we don't need to have people destroying people's property. and essentially with hooligan and thuggery going on in st. louis, it is amazing to me this is happening. >> well, i think one thing we have to think about, we didn't lose a civil rights leader, he with lost a person. the very idea that michael brown is a person is something we have to hold on. to you shouldn't have to win a nobel peace prize for your body and your life to matter. let me finish my point. peep are protesting his death and they're protesting year after year, day after day of

black bodies being vulnerable in public space in this way. i've been on the ground the last three or four days. and every person has said that. we're upset about michael brown. we want justice. we've had enough of this. >> everyone says we want justice -- >> hang on. i'll let you get in here but i want to finish this thought. you heard people during the trayvon martin trial saying i'm not sure if he is the example here. i'm not sure michael brown is the example. when is it ever the right example? it always appears to be someone that people will say, no, i'm not sure if they're the right example. >> that's not -- now it's time for me to say this. that's not the point. >> let him finish and then -- kevin, you're going get to your chance. marc? >> it says we need to have the perfect victim. we need to underscore that he was going to college last monday as opposed to being something else. it doesn't matter if he was shot. his body still matters and his life still matters. >> kevin, go ahead.

>> that's what i said to begin with. i'm not trying to make him that there should be some form of a victim that makes him appropriate. what i'm saying is this reaction is completely inappropriate. when you look at all the things that were supposed to be put into place to make this better, we've added a black law office here is supposed to be over things and it has gotten worse. the other side of it, when you talk about equal justice, how about we get to the bottom of the actual case and hear the other side of the argument. i'm not saying that this com is right, wrong or indifferent. when we just have a knee jerk reaction to something, and then it ends up exploding to this, and then it becomes this thing of, how much militarization of the police is during? look, man, we are civilized people. and as shabazz said, which is one of the only things i agree with him on -- >> hang on. >> bring it to the camera here. we're seeing people, the officers getting out and

tactical gear. there we go. they are concerned about the presence -- i'm going to let you guys listen to this. [ yelling ] >> get these men out of here! get them out of here, johnson! >> he's yelling at ron johnson to get those men out of there. come on. watch this. >> get them out of here, johnson. >> come on, johnson.

get them out of here, johnson. >> malik! malik! we're on live. what's the issue here? what's going on? >> that's the provocation and that's what we don't need. that was totally unnecessary. just coming out here, pointing artillery at people, whatever they got. that's the could not frontation that we have established order here. and we don't need that. all that does is agitate people. now we have to recalm them down. so what we're trying to do is get people to just go rest right now. we don't want the night to went a bunch of tear gas. >> our jake tapper was saying there were others provoking the police. does it go both ways? . that mere sight of all those

police is a provocation. all the trucks and the militarization of the police is a provocation. there are proef action tvocateu. >> a little water bottle is not hurting the police. tell them to relax. it's a little water bottle. >> do they know what's in it? ain't no fires, nothing. they need to relax. we're relaxed and we're going to do this for mike brown and for justice. >> how does this all end? is it a continued stand-off and could not front -- confrontation. >> not only the. i've been calling on all community groups to come help. >> i need on get to jake tapper. you need to get back out there. go ahead, jake. >> don, we're down by the

convenience store that was burned down nine days ago. this is the area where the media was set up. then we were told to move earlier today. there is another confrontation going on between protesters and law enforcement. once again, it's a much smaller military presence, a militarized police presence and there are individuals in the crowd here trying to provoke them, throwing things at them.

>> dragging them out. >> so what's going on, don? can you hear me? >> i can hear you, jake. go ahead. >> don lemon? >> okay. so what's going on is the individuals here, the protesters are in an area where they're not supposed to be congregate, and they are dragging things out into the middle of the street to set up their own sort of barricades. i don't know if you can see them. this way, john. and they are setting up their own barricadeses and, obviously, the police are objecting to the -- these things. look at this young person holding up a "do not enter" sign. >> jake tapper -- >> she's standing -- >> yeah, can you hear me? >> yeah, jake tapper, stand by for one minute. we'll get back to you in a second. the next hour of "cnn tonight" starts right now.