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journalists for granted sometimes. they -- they -- particularly freelance people. they risk their lives. they have no resource, no protection, not a major network. they get better stories but we really have not enough regard for the people who do this work. >> jim foley was 40 years old. that's it for us here in ferguson. we'll be back here tomorrow night as well. as our coverage continues, cnn tonight with don lemon. good evening, everyone. this is "cnn tonight". i'm don lemon and we are live on the streets of ferguson. we have some severe weather here tonight but protesters have been out 11 days after michael brown was shot to death by officer darren wilson. we're going to get through it all for you. what will it take to get justice?
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that is word that you hear a lot around here. but it means something very different depending on whose side you're on. and it may not come soon enough for a lot of people in ferguson. the grand jury could hear evidence for two months. that's what we're hearing. and meantime, attorney general eric holder was here today getting an update on the investigation and talking with michael brown's family. and speaking of justice, president barack obama is vowing that justice for james foley, the american journalist beheaded by isis amid news of a failed attempt to rescue him earlier this summer. so what price will this country pay to punish these vicious terrorists and what message does the president send by going back to the golf course right after speaking to a nation? we're going to get into all of that tonight on "cnn tonight" but i want to begin with something that a lot of people here in ferguson are talking about. something you haven't heard yet on television. a handful of witnesses to this shooting of michael brown have come forward. but we are hearing that there
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may be many more. people who saw what happened, were afraid to speak out now. i want you to listen to what young man, who wants to remain anonymous, told me today. >> i believe definitely because people are scared. when the police are out there the first time and walking up to people with cameras and taking them and then reason people are scared while the protests are going on in ferguson, detectives came around asking all of the women in our apartment complex for people's facebook pages and they were trying to get information on who had these videos and so, yes, there is definitely more videos. >> so i have been talking to a lot of people here in ferguson and i have been struck by just how many have told me that they think our coverage is fair and it helps them get their stories out. that's what we want to do. we want to say to them, if you saw what happened when michael brown was shot and you want to tell us your story, we're here
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to help you tell that story. here's the account, cnndon@turner.com if you want your story told or if you feel you have some information that needs to get out or you may be afraid to do it or don't know how to do it. now let's get to the scene in ferguson. my colleagues are out there. we're going to start with jake tapper. jake, what are you seeing tonight? >> reporter: well, don, as you know, it was raining pretty hard and that cleared out much of the crowd here on west florissant. but the protests are picking up. it's much smaller than even last night. largely due to rain but also, just to be frank, the crowds have been dwindling this week. as you can hear, they are yelling, hands up, don't shoot. somebody holding a sign that says don't kill isis. leave us alone. something that is different tonight, don, it's interesting, if you follow me over here, this
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is a clergy tent. local clergy have been very actively trying to keep the peace here. among the protesters who are prone to disagree themselves, we saw some of that last night but also between protesters and police. you can see them in the orange shirts, clergy united the shirts say, i believe. and they are wearing the shirts so they can be identified as clergy so if anybody has questions as to who they are, there isn't any confusion. and then, of course, you recognize this man over here, captain ron johnson with the missouri state highway patrol who is standing right there as well, don. >> listen, jake, i want to talk to you about this because you and i have been out here for quite some time covering this story. i got a chance to speak to the family. we've been following their story and how they are dealing with it. you know, his mother -- michael brown's mother got a chance to see his body for the first time today. of course, she wanted to know -- you heard in the press
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conference, jake, was he -- how many times was he shot? did he feel any pain? and is there enough evidence to get the officer arrested? but as a parent, i'm sure you can't imagine, you know, what that family's going through. i'm not a parent but it's just unbelievable, i'm sure, having to deal with that. >> reporter: that's insane. i can't even imagine the pain. i was getting angry tonight because my wife was telling me about somebody picking on my 4-year-old son. i can't imagine losing a son. that would just be the most devastating thing in the world. and i think one of the things that so many people in the community are reacting to is they see michael brown as a symbol of something far beyond just this case. they see him as a symbol of what is the worth of children in communities like ferguson, like what is the value of the life of a young african-american man in st. louis and ferguson and
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throughout the court hantry thay have been concerned that society does not value young black males as they do in other parts of america. that's one of the things that we've heard as we walk through the streets and one of the themes of the protests. a lot of people see this as a very specific case. a shooting and whether or not it's appropriate and absolutely on one level, that is what this is and that's certainly what the legal case is going to be. but in a broader societal way, broader societal context, it is about the worth of the life of people in communities of ferguson. >> all right. jake tapper, thank you. i appreciate your feedback on that. i want to go to cnn's stephanie elam. stephanie, i've been watching you with the protesters and the stories that you've been doing. talk to me about the st. louis police suspended an officer indefinitely after he threatened and pointed a semiautomatic assault rifle at a protester last night. i want you to look and then
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we'll talk about it. >> my hands are up. my hands are up. >> hands up. hands up. >> [ bleep ]. >> hands up. >> i will [ bleep ] kill you, get back. get back. >> you're going to kill him. what's your name, sir? >> [ bleep ]. >> go [ bleep ] yourself. >> stephanie, what happened there? >> reporter: i was out here at the time that happened. things got tensed quickly. there was a group that was left here and you could see the tension between the police on the street and the people who were in the parking lot. when that tension built up, this officer, as you can see in that video, i think he felt it a little too deeply and he was
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actually brandishing his weapon. you could hear people telling him to put it down. that officer has been relieved of duty. other officers came to the scene and told him to put his weapon down. and i can tell you, i saw another officer last night who actually had raised his weapon at one point and i saw other officers tell him to put it down after people in the community started yelling, put your weapon down, put your gun down. that happened right back here where i was last night. and so what has been noteworthy is that i've seen police checking police and i've seen community leaders checking community leaders in the community so things didn't get out of control. obviously that video making people feel like it proves the point about the relationship of the police with the community here. but that officer, i should point out, is not from this town. >> stephanie elam, thank you. the protesters are going by. we have some really bad weather tonight. so just in case, a forewarning,
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if we get knocked off the air, you'll know why. there's a thunderstorm rolling through ferguson, missouri, right now. you've heard a lot of people talking about what the police are doing wrong here in ferguson. but that's not the entire story. the man in charge of keeping peace here and i rode through the streets of ferguson with him. i want you to hear what he has to say. >> this is what we see all the time. you just look around. this is what this community is saying, if we were to have this, i'm sure communities around the country, just policemen coming out and speaking with us. >> i just want to holler at you. >> okay. well, i'm glad you did. all right. it feels good to walk out here, doesn't it? it feels good to walk and be relaxed in the neighborhood. >> and be safe. >> and be safe. >> all right. a new day is acoming. all right. how you doing?
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how you doing? how you doing? nice to meet you. >> what's going on. >> doing all right. >> do you think it would be better -- you don't think the police get out and mingle with you guys? >> no, they don't. only when they want to lock us up or something. that's the only time they get out. i want to tell you like this. me and him, standing in front of my house about a month ago, standing in front of my house. i seen a police go right past my house. i knew he was going to come back. he came back two minutes later asking if we were part of -- >> smoking marijuana in an apartment complex. i said, no we just stepped out of the house. we were three blocks away from where he was talking about so you don't feel they are part of the community? >> no. all they want to do is take us in, get us off the streets, no matter what your purpose is. >> you know what, the thing is, i know y'all probably heard it from mom and grandma, you approach somebody, they approach
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you back. >> there you go. >> so the way they come at us, if you could explain to me what i did first, what was the reason for you even messing with me if had the first place. if i'm on the sidewalk you could have said, why you walking on the sidewalk, whatever the reason is, you could have got out and approach me like a man instead of cursing. why we got to be this or that. why can't it be like, let me talk to you for a second. i may see what you have to say but if you're jumping out with me when i feel animosity or stuff like that, i do your job again today. >> so it's how somebody approaches you if the officer approached you? >> approaching us leak we already committed a violent crime or something. they are approaching us like you caught me selling dope to somebody. you just pulled me over, okay? i pulled you over because your pants are sagging. can you pull them up? okay. i can pull them up, officer. no problem. i i'll pull them up. pull your pants up. get off. now what? >> i have to ask you, you got to
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meet with the attorney general today. >> yes. >> what was that like? >> it was -- it was an honor but it was touching. >> what did you talk about? >> i reached out my hand to shake his hand. that's the top law enforcement officer in this nation and he put out both of his hands and he just hugged me. >> uh-huh. >> he said, this is what policing is about. this is what policing has to be. >> uh-huh. >> and what a great statement. >> did he tell you about what he wants to have happen in this community? what can you share with us? >> he said, what we're seeing now, the community policing getting out and being a part of the community, to me that's what he's saying is what is needed. >> so he talked to you about community policing, not about the case at all? >> no. he just said -- he hugged me and
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said, this is what policing should be. he said, what you're doing and what you're showing the people is what policing should do. that's all we talked about. it probably lasted two or three minutes and then he was meeting with community leaders there and talking with them. >> the family wasn't there yet? >> no. no. >> do you think it will make a difference that he came here? >> i think so. i think so. i think it shows that the white house, you know, our government at the highest level has heard the voice of those people that are here. and so it is kind of like the theory about the highest hill and the lowest valley. >> yeah. >> the white house may consider that the highest hill. our community is sometimes the valleys. so when our voices can be heard there and then i think those protesters are out here, the peaceful protesters are out here can understand that. >> okay. the other thing is, the same officer pointing his gun, the semiautomatic weapon at a person and using the foul language, the
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video is out there now. what do you want to say about that? >> that was inappropriate. it will not be tolerated. his department has been informed of that and they have instructed he will not be assigned to this detail for any additional further days. >> what did you think when you heard about it and you saw the video? >> i was upset, disappointed, anger and that does not -- i thought it was disrespectful to every officer that's been out here since sunday. >> so he is the example of what people here in this community want. and here's what i noticed from
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my time here, that the young men said that they are automatically looked at by members of law enforcement as suspects. you heard the young men there in that story. they are looked upon as suspects. they said they are not looked upon as men when officers approach them. and usually the officers, it's in between glass, in the car, there on the street. if they would get out, these guys said, and talk to them and interact with them and treat them like human beings and the way that they approach them is the way that the guys are going to respond to them and i think that is the definition of community policing. the only relationship that these people have with the police is usually between a glass of a police car, if they are coming over for something, being stopped by police, there is no relationship where they get to know each other. that could make all the difference here. and that is the disconnect.
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it is a disconnect that people don't understand if you don't have that sort of interaction with police. i think the most profound thing i heard today was from a store owner who was opening his business back up and he said, this should be a movement and not a moment. we have much more live here from ferguson tonight and, plus, we're going to talk a little bit more about being caught on camera. new video of a man shot to death by st. louis police yesterday. but this time law enforcement released details right away. is this a lesson in how to keep the peace? we're going to talk to the chief of police. also, the failed rescue mission and execution of james foley at the hands of isis. who are these terrorists and what will president barack obama do to get justice?
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back tonight on the streets of ferguson, you can see that the protesters are back out now because of the rain has subsided but we're keeping an eye on the weather. we'll continue live coverage. tonight there is video of a live confrontation that has gone viral. it happened yesterday in st. louis where two police officers opened fire on a man weielding knife. joining me is chris cuomo. you have obtained some of
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yesterday's video of a deadly shooting. take us through that. >> it's an unusual situation. if we can put it up so people can watch it for themselves because you hear a lot of things about what happened and the big question is, why do officers do what they have to do in this moment and for the chief to come on and address the issue, what they do is fundamental. if you can see the video, there is a moment where it starts off as someone who's local is using a cell phone camera. >> pause. hold on a second. and so -- okay. go ahead. so we see the video. and then my producer said they were about to shoot him. >> why do we stop it there? i think it's important to bring the chief in. we stop because after that point in the tape, nothing happens except his being shot. >> [ bleep ]. >> there is no movement with his arm, no raising of the arms or increased in acceleration.
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we have just seen enough bad things, we don't want people to see the shot. but chief, you have watched the video. >> i have. >> and what is your assessment? at first it was a story that he had his hands up and then you said he lunged at officers. i don't see that in the video. >> he was wielding -- >> he had his hands down low and police believe there is a knife in there. he walks and doesn't listen to the officer, gets on top of the curb and then moves towards the officers. >> we have it now. >> all right. >> he's got his gun out. >> shoot me! >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> chief, you hear the gunshots. he had his hands down at that point, didn't he? >> he did.
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the suspect came towards the officers and said, shoot me now, shoot me now, kill me now. the entire encounter lasted about 15 seconds. he approaches the first officer, heads towards the driver's side and then backs up a little and goes towards the passenger side. he moves towards the officer that is at the passenger side, and i didn't see where you ended the video here but he continues to move towards the officer. the officer takes a step, step and a half backwards to try and put some distance between him and a knife within 21 feet is a lethal weapon. the officer did what you and i would go. they protected their life in that situation. >> there are people who would say, 100, 150 people out there that this was a guy with a knife. why such force with a gun? >> yeah. i think the questions that are raised are pretty obvious. you will be able to say what decisions you make and why. the first is, couldn't you have done something else in the situation other than kill him? there doesn't seem to be any discussion of trying to talk him
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down which takes you to a second point. people in the community including the guy who took this video, the store owner knows this guy. he's known to have some problems. >> mentally challenged. >> emotional, mental, whatever they are, he has them. why isn't that something that the police weren't told in the 911 call? >> we've been talking a lot about community policing and also the use of force. is it appropriate? he brings up a very good point. what about, why use bullets? why not use a stun gun? >> well, certainly a taser is an option available to the officers. tasers are not 100%. you have an individual armed with a knife moving towards you, not listening to any verbal commands, continues, says shoot me now, kill me now. tasers are not 100%. if they miss, it continues on and gets an officer. >> i think the officer used force that was in a lethal situation, they used lethal
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force. >> not an outrage here because you were transparent. >> as soon as it was over i talked to the community and i said, i'm the police chief for the community. i want you to hear the story from me. i went into a crowd of 100, 150 people and just told them the story just as we have for the last day or so and i think they were resceptive. now they knew what happened and don't wait until it goes viral. we released the tape. the police department doesn't have to do that. >> thank you very much. you have about an hour of sleep ahead of you. see you then. thank you very much. appreciate that. up next, controversial bottom line advice for a police officer who says, do what i tell you to do and no one will get hurt. i'm going to talk to that officer next and we're going to hear what our legal team has to say about that next. ♪
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wrote for the par"the washingto" under the headline he wrote "i am a cop. if you don't want to get hurt, don't challenge me." we're talking with professor of homeland security at colorado university. you say that there is a very easy way that people stopped by police can prevent tragedies like we've seen in new york city and now michael brown in ferguson. how is that? >> well, as i listed in my article, the main issue is when detention is affected and an officer has made clear that a person is detained. it's the officer's right to question them and carry on the investigation. at that time -- >> sunil, i can't hear you. i'm having technical difficulties out here. probably because of the rain. we're going to take a quick break here on cnn. we'll be back live here. don't go away. ranches? 24/7 it's just i'm a little reluctant to try new things.
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nowhere near how big they were earlier in the week and last week. i want to get back to my panel now. sinil is a police officer and also professor of homeland security at colorado tech university. sinil, you say there's a very easy way that people stopped by police can prevent tragedies like we saw in new york city with eric garner and now michael brown here in ferguson. >> as i mentioned in my article, the bottom line is, once detention is affected, it's made clear by the officer to the person being detained, they are not free to leave. the person has to submit the officer's investigation. so if the officer is asking you for information, you share it, get into a fight with the officer. second is, if the officer is trying to make -- effect an arrest is telling you to turn around, put your hands behind your back, you do it. because if you refuse to submit
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to a lawful arrest, the officer has to, once again, effect the arrest and will be forced to take action. so complying with the lawful demands of the officer prevent tragedies and i would like to clarify one thing. we have a really tragic situation of the two incidents you have mentioned but the reality is, i'll just give you actual statistical numbers. 2008, city of los angeles, officer stopped more than 800,700 people. after that, the force was 0.149%. destroying the 99.8% of the time officers contacted a community member, there was no use of force. that is what i was trying to distill in my article, that it is officer -- when the officer uses force, he or she is reacting to what the detainee is
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doing. >> yeah. but listen, if you are in that point whatever it is that you said, if your loved one loses a life, it doesn't matter. i want to play devil's advocate, isn't it the police officer who is armed with a gun who has the advantage and the responsibility to use that weapon wisely and safely? >> well, absolutely. use of force has to be judicious. it is bound by law. an officer cannot randomly use any force. it will always depend on level of resistance. now, if an individual failing to put their hands behind their back, that's a different level of force. if a person gets in a fight with the officer, that's a different force. if a person pulls out a knife or pulls out a gun, that changes the dynamics that grazes the level of use of force.
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so, yes, officers should always use force which is proportion to the resistance and i'm telling you an overwhelming majority of the cases, this is what happens. and here are the facts. everyone walks around with a cell phone camera. everyone can record an officer and the actual number of tragedies, if we were out in the field unnecessarily using deadly force, every day or every week, we will have a lot more tragedies coming to light because we are not acting in a vacuum. people have these ways of putting videos on youtube or contacting the media. >> okay. sinil, thank you. appreciate you joining me on cnn. i want to get our legal analysts to join in. we're joined by julia, cnn national security analyst and mark o'mara and then gazdon
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county florida sheriff. i want to start with you, sheriff. who is ultimately responsible when an unarmed person gets killed? >> well, you've got to understand that that officer is responsible. he's in control of that situation and he's got to make sure and he needs to understand -- that officer understands that the use of force is -- you can't make that decision too quick. and you've got to make sure that you have control of that situation. >> so mark, i want to ask you about that. let's look at the situation that happened in st. louis yesterday with the guy wielding the knife? who is ultimately responsible? was it an appropriate use of force? >> it's interesting because the chief said something that we
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have to be aware of. there are a lot of rules that cops are trained by. what he said was the 21-foot rule. they said if it's an edged weapon, 21 feet is an area of danger and you're allowed to use deadly force in response. to me it looked like that, that less than eight or nine shots could have been fired, one or two or maybe a taser from one officer and then a firearm from the other. but there's so many rules that cops have to live by and it tries to get them to react in a stressed situation. here's what i tell my clients. when i talk to college kids that i teach about this, you will never, ever win a fight with a cop on the street. it's called contempt of cop. they have the power and as you challenge them, they are then allowed to upgrade the response of force. so i teach, don't do it. the idea of never challenging a cop because it's called con ttet a cop. you don't win that on the street
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but you could win it in the courtroom but then they get the charge they were arrested for and then resisting without violence and then more when you challenge a cop. >> juliette, i want to get to you, considering what sinil said. there's even a chart of what he says, you should do this, you should do that. the question i've been getting from a lot of people is, are police officers too trigger happy and should they be using less force in the sense of not necessarily deadly bullets but maybe stunning people rather than shooting to kill them? >> well, i think there's two different issues here. one is clearly the kind of weaponry that is in a local police department's hands does seem a bit extreme, the militarization of the police departments. they don't have sufficient training. in my mind, there is no reason why a small police department should have the kind of gear that we saw. there are alternatives.
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the federal government should also be giving training and giving support to small police departments but not the kind of weaponry that we saw. the other issue, which the guests mentioned, i have to be honest with you, cops are trained to confront antagonism and we don't shoot people for it. this is the united states. if somebody throws something at a police officer, it's not right but it's not just -- it doesn't justify a violent confrontation. so you can throw out as many statistics as you want. look at the 1%. this is why we have police training. this is why policing works. people can behave better. but compared to how are we training police officers to deal with confrontations, which is the reason why we have police, right? i mean, so i guess i disagree
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wholeheartedly with the original guess. >> well, that's the question, sheriff. does someone have to -- is it incumbent upon someone who is a citizen of the united states, listen, i can only imagine what police officers go through. they have a very tough job. but is it incumbent upon any citizen of the united states to make someone else comfortable in order for you not to be shy? >> excuse me, don. is that for me? yes, i'm here. well, it goes back to training and i think every situation is different. i can only talk from experience. you know, i was there when i actually had had a white deputy to shoot a black assailant and every situation is different and i think the public, we look at
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how the public respond to police. we talk about community policing. do our police officers understand our community and who they are? you know, police today is different from yesterday. and, of course, community policing, we think about the andy griffin days and it's totally different now. we've got some valid people out there and police understand that situation and i'll say this, not everyone police officer want to community police. you have some who want to get in the business for, you know, to shoot and kill. you have some want to get in the business to help. so it's how we approach it, how we approach training and how we approach putting our police officers out there in the community. >> uh-huh. sheriff, juliet, mark, stay with me. we have a lot more coming up from ferguson, missouri. and when we come right back,
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welcome back, everyone. we're keeping an eye on ferguson, missouri. president obama called for justice after james foley was beheaded by isis. joining me now, politics for "the daily beast," and tara, a conservative commentator and van jones, co-host of cnn's "crossfire." first to you, tara, should the president have come here to ferguson, do you believe? >> no, absolutely not. i don't think it's appropriate for the president of the united states to inject himself into a local matter that is still ongoing. there's an investigation still ongoing where he has spoken out of turn a little too quickly and had to walk those things back, starting back to during his first term when we ended up with the beer summit because he said the police acted stupidly during
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the cambridge, massachusetts, incident and he's done this more than one time. by personally involving himself, i think that's not appropriate for the president who is the president of the united states of everyone until all of the facts are out, until the investigation is complete and we actually have a conclusion. >> josh, i want to turn to you about the optics of all of this. many people say the president should not be out mayiplaying g after he gave a statement about isis and the attorney general is met meeting with the family of a dead teenager. talk to me about that. >> well, it's clear that there's a difference between the reactions of other foreign leaders and the reactions of president obama. david cameron, the prime minister of the uk, for example, canceled his vacation after it was revealed that a british national was behind the murder of american journalist james foley. it was released on video yesterday. the white house maintains that president obama can do his job from anywhere with modern
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technology. president obama has determined that he will stay on his trip regardless of the events and manage the crisis from there. that's his decision. >> and i think that's actually a dangerous decision for him. just to piggyback on that, i think the position of the president of the united states tie list where a good time was had by all to the grieving parents of an american journalist who was just savagely beheaded by terrorists, i don't think that bodes well for the president of the united states. it makes him seem disengaged and leaderless and this is something that has been a complaint for a long time about the president's style with things. rushing off to a tee time after such a thing like this is unseemly to me. and i think that that's consistent with the way he's been. he seems disengaged. >> okay. i want to get van jones in on this before we move on. what do you think? >> i think it's ridiculous.
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first of all, the parents of the young man who was murdered by these terrorists had no criticism of the president and in fact had warm words to say about the president. it's a right-wing talking point to pretend this president has gone on vacation more than other presidents which he's actually gone on vacation less. to say he's gone golfing more than other presidents, he's gone golfing less than bush or clinton. there's nothing bad that can happen to america that they will not try to politicize. this president is on a working vacation, frankly like a lot of americans are and he's doing the best he can. >> president bush did not play golf when -- i want to correct the record here. >> tara, james cameron came back from his vacation. he's obviously aware of the optics of the situation. david cameron, do you think that there is possibly that they are
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not understanding the optics here, that there is a disconnect from the white house? you don't agree with that? >> i actually don't agree with it. first of all, david cameron's decision if he wants to. this president has done more press conferences on his vacation than you would expect if you were on vacation. the point is this, no matter what the president does, the right wing will criticize him no matter what. bill clinton said every mistake he made was because he's exhausted. i think it's wise to know that this is a marathon and he cannot try to run his presidency according to these spin cycles. it's going to be a long two years for him and for our country and for the world. >> tara, why are you laughing? >> because i think that's an asinine excuse. >> excuse? >> yes. i'm sorry that world events are
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getting in the way of his tee times in martha's vineyard. >> that's pathetic. >> i'm sorry he's tired but he needs to be president of the united states and show some leadership. david cameron was able to come back and do it. >> van jones, if he is tired, the white house is a big mace. there's a big place to rest. the president has to be aware of the optics when you have this sort of situation and by most people's account, van, by anyone who is rational, the white house seems to be tone deaf. a journalist was beheaded. a young man is dead. president bush got out and played golf and said, watch this drive. he was shredded by the media, by the press and by it two years later. why should president obama be any different? >> absolutely. >> you want my answer to the question? you want me to answer the
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question, sir? >> sure. >> he was shredded two years later. when michael moore butt that in a documentary, two or three years later. the difference is now, you have a new cycle that moved so quickly that you literally don't have a chance to breathe. if this president were -- >> so you're blaming it on the news cycle? >> no. i'm not blaming it on anything. you're asking the question, why was it wrong with george w. bush. first of all, that didn't even come out until two years later. let me say something about what this president is doing. this president is managing a crisis in the middle east, the situation here in ferguson and, by the way, quite well. holder being here, i think, is an important development. he doesn't have to be everywhere. he sent holder here. holder didn't just meet with the families, he met with law enforcement. holder is showing a balanced approach and he's showing appropriate concern. the presidency is more than one person and can be conducted from more than just one place. >> all right.
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michael brown. here's what's interesting here. the crowd of protesters are backing a little bit slimmer every single night and the good thing about that is that the focus of what's going on gets back to where it should be. instead of on protesting so much, it gets back to the investigation of the shooting of michael brown, the police officer, and michael brown's family as he is laid to rest next week. the next hour of "cnn tonight" starts right now. hello, everyone. it is 11:00 p.m. in the east and 10:00 p.m. here in ferguson, missouri. 11 days after michael brown was shot by officer darren wilson. this is our second hour of coverage. i'm don lemon. attorney general eric holder met with michael brown's family amid the start of a grand jury investigation. but the question here people really want answered is, what will it take to get
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