hello, everyone, i'm don lemon. we want to welcome our viewers right near in the united states and around the world. i'm reporting live from ferguson, missouri. we're going to bring you all the latest developments from here in ferguson. in the meantime, i want to tell you that a tense calm has settled over the city, but there is no letup in the demand for answers about the fatal police shooting of 18-year-old michael brown. attorney general eric holder said today his department's investigation into the shooting will be fair, thorough and independent. his comments come on a day after he visited here, meeting with brown's family as well as members of the community.

he says the tensions gripping ferguson stem from a mistrust between police and the people. >> i want the people of ferguson to know that i personally understood that mistrust. i wanted them to know that while so much else may be uncertainty, this attorney general and this department of justice stands with the people of ferguson. >> reporter: holder also expressed support for law enforcement officers who put their lives at risk. we're going to have a lot more on those comments and the latest on those protests. and new questions about another fatal police shooting less than four miles away from here. our other top story today is the murder of american james foley at the hands of isis militants and the u.s. air strikes against those militants in iraq. today u.s.ware planes hit isis hardware around the mosul dam. and we're learning more about a failed rescue mission trying to free foley. general martin dempsey is

expected to speak in two hours and can reveal more details about that operation. meanwhile, friends of james foley are speaking out about his courage and including a french journalist who was held captive with foley for several months. >> he was always extremely understandable and -- well, he was a great friend. it was -- it sounds strange for me to say that he managed to make these seven months of captivity for me easier, but somehow he did because it was just great to have him with me. >> reporter: there was some contact between the people who held james foley and his family. phillip balboni is the president and ceo of the online news agency that james foley worked for. tell us about your role in those negotiations.

>> well, we began the search for jim two days after his abduction on november 22nd, 2012. and over time, we amassed a tremendous amount of knowledge about where jim was being held and who was holding him. you know, negotiations were a very, very small part of this, don. the first e-mail from the captors didn't arrive until november 26th. there were only a few subsequent to that. perhaps the most important of those was their opportunity to let us ask what's called proof of life questions. and so the family composed three questions that were incredibly difficult and obscure for anyone but jim to answer. and they all came back correctly.

answered. and it was a milestone moment that we knew we were dealing with the people that had him. there were a few additional communications in december. one of which stated the demand, monetary demand. and then the captors stopped communicating with us. and the next time we heard from them was last wednesday night when they made -- proved not to be a threat, a statement that they would execute jim because of the u.s. bombing in iraq. >> yeah. how many times did you hear from his captors? >> it was less than half a dozen. >> less than half a dozen times. and when did they first ask forfor ransom, and did they repeat those demands? because i understand it was 100 million euros, which is $132.5 million.

>> yes. i want to stress, don, that the kidnappers never really negotiated their demands. they stated the demand, and it was 100 million euros. or the release of muslim prisoners, not named by them. and they stopped communicating with the foley family. and we, of course, were attempting to engage them in communication. there was never a time when the captors said that if you paid this amount of money other than that 100 million euros, that jim would be freed. we never took the 100 million figure seriously. we learned from the -- as you know, there were a number of western journalists, european journalists, who were subsequently released by them

starting in april of this year. and the amount of money paid in those ransoms was dramatically less. and our focus was on attempting to raise a sum of money that would be in the range of what they had taken for the other western hostages. >> can you tell us, mr. balboni, what role the government played in those communications? did they monitor them? or did you -- or the family just pass on that information? >> yeah. everything that we learned throughout this entire investigation was provided to the government, to the federal bureau of investigation, to the state department. so there was nothing that we knew that they didn't know almost contemporaneously with the time that we knew it. >> all right. philip balboni, thank you very

much. we appreciate you joining us here on cnn. we want to get back to the new air strikes against isis, and american planes hill mitt tear positions around the mosul dam in northern iraq. anna corwin is on the ground in erbil. do we know specifically what is being targeted in those air strikes? >> reporter: look, it's the isis enemy position. it's humvees. it's artillery. it's actually u.s. equipment that they seized from the iraqis when they took over mosul back in june. iraq's second largest city. so this is what the u.s. is specifically going after. that weaponry, that heavy weaponry that they are using against the kurdish forces, the peshmerga, as well as the iraqis who are part of this fight. but those air strikes, don, as we know, are really changing the situation on the ground. there were six today. there were 14 yesterday. and we're really seeing a ramped-up effort from the u.s.

because this is, as i say, changing the situation, allowing those ground forces to get in, retake mosul dam. we spent a lot of time at mosul dam in the last couple of days, watched the peshmerga make those critical advances to actually push these isis fighters out of this very strategically important piece of infrastructure. without those u.s. air strikes, don, none of this would have been possible. >> anna, what is the reaction there to the beheading of james foley? >> reporter: people are sickened. it doesn't matter who you speak to. they are horrified that isis could do this. to an american citizen. and there's a real feeling as well, don, that this has changed the situation. before, many people felt that this was just a war here in iraq, that the u.s. was supporting to help out obviously u.s. personnel on the ground as well as to stop genocide of the iraqi religious minorities. but now that isis has killed a

u.s. civilian -- i beg your pardon -- a u.s. civilian in syria, you have to remember isis doesn't consider syria and iraq to be separate countries. as far as they're concerned, they've set up this new state, the islamic state, the caliphate. so for what has taken place, there's a real feeling that now the united states, yes, they need to increase air strikes. we've heard that from iraq's foreign minister, but there needs to be more involvement to defeat isis, because at the moment, they are just pushing them back and holding them at bay. if they're going to eliminate the cancer of isis, which is what president obama said after the death of james foley yesterday, well, then, they need to be far more involved. >> anna coren, thank you very much. back to the story here in ferguson. eyewitnesses, of course, key to determining what happened between michael brown and officer darren wilson, but who can we believe when the stories are so different? plus, the nation's only

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officer who shot michael brown took to the streets. they were confronted by supporters of the brown family. and meanwhile, a defense fund set up for officer darren wilson has collected more than $123,000. michael brown's mother viewed his body at the morgue for the first time yesterday. and later the family met with attorney general eric holder. the meeting really struck a personal chord with him. >> personally, i've seen a lot in my time as attorney general, but few things have affected me more. i had the chance to meet with the family of michael brown. i spoke with them not just as attorney general but as a father of a teenage son myself. >> holder also met with captain ron johnson of the state highway patrol, the man in charge of security here in ferguson. and i had the chance to go on a ride-along with captain johnson. not that many people out. it seems to be under control. what did you do right since two days ago? >> i think that first, the

community did some things right. the clergy and the elders and the activists came out and didn't allow agitators and criminals to mass themselves with any group. and they were actually pointing them out to us. they were helping us. they were moving away from them and not having the same activity. so really the community did it. >> well, the nation's only african-american governor weighs in on the shooting and violence in ferguson. massachusetts governor deval patrick says these deadly encounters have to stop. >> i'm sick of it. i'm sick of -- i'm sick of unarmed black men being shot by police. i'm sick of the lawlessness on the streets. i think everybody's just tired. when are we going to get through with this kind of -- this kind of thing? >> i want to bring in cnn "cross

fire" host van jones. an emotional reaction from the governor. are you surprised how this is resonating with the governor, with black leaders, really with the black community, and even beyond the black community? >> i'm not surprised because this wasn't the first this summer. it was the fourth this summer of an unarmed african-american young person who was either choked to death or shot to death. i think it is striking a chord. i think here in ferguson, people are taking an inhale. monday is the funeral. and i think you're going to see once again people coming. we know that you have leaders coming from all across the country to be with the family. and so this is an inhale moment. but i don't think this is over by a long shot. >> yeah. you know, there was another fatal shooting. we were here when it happened. i'm talking about fatal shooting not far from here in st. louis city. raising questions. the cell phone video of the shooting is graphic and it is disturbing. we have chosen, we need to tell you, to freeze the shooting right before the man is shot. but the audio does continue. and you can also hear the man who filmed the shooting. >> the police are going to pull up. y'all call the police?

>> yeah. we called them. >> get your hands out of your pockets. >> he's got his gun out. oh [ bleep ]! oh [ bleep ]! oh [ bleep ]! oh [ bleep ]! they've got their guns out. >> damn! >> oh, my god. >> wow. we know the man was yelling "shoot me! shoot me!" as he approached the authorities saying he was brandishing a knife. but on the heels of the michael brown shooting, how much does this play into the concerns about the interactions between police and black men? >> one of the activists on the street was black lives matter. that should be obvious. in situations like this, you begin to understand people feel that black lives may not matter. here's what i would say.

obviously, look, my dad was a cop in the military. my uncle just retired from the memphis police force. i understand that law enforcement is under tremendous pressure. but here's what i also know. people have to deal with folks with mental instability all the time. nurses do. store owners do. >> and they don't have weapons. >> bus drivers do. what they learn what to do is talk people down. >> but he had a knife. >> you are posing a dangerous and a lethal threat, but it's a matter of training. there are departments that realize you have so much widespread mental illness, you have to train -- identify is this guy crazy and let me go through my talk him down protocol and don't go right to my shoot him down proet cal. >> we talked to the police chief about the use of deadly force. here's what he said. why use bullets? why not use a stun gun? >> well, certainly a taser is an option that's available to the officers. but tasers aren't 100%. so you've got an individual armed with a knife who's moving towards you, not listening to

any verbal commands, continues says "shoot me now, kill me now." tasers aren't 100%. if the taser misses, that subject continues on and hurts an officer. >> so speakingofficers here, if someone is far enough away and you have the chance to holster a taser and a gun, that's fine, but when someone is that close to you, you don't have the time necessarily to react. >> one of the things that was so brilliant about your coverage last night, you were talking to the officers and the young men together. and the young men said the way i approach you is how i approach you. the most important weapon an officer has often is his words or her words. if you come out with a gun saying "frez, freeze, freeze," that might be escalating. if someone is known to have a mental illness, a community-oriented officer might be able to crack a joke, de-escalate, not try to match the escalation and take it higher. it's a training issue. >> speaking to those young men, that's really key. we have not heard a lot exception for "hands up" and

people screaming. i think we need to hear a lot pore from them. >> i think that's right. and unfortunately here in ferguson, it seems to me the police officers never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. the young people are over there at the church right now. they're trying to make plans going forward. the police could go by and talk with them, have an honest conversation. instead, the standoff almost even between young people who live in the community and the police. >> we're going to do more. thank you, van jones. appreciate you joining us here. here in ferguson, missouri, as mentions have mounted over the last week and a half, we have seen a wide range of people, protesters, leaders, famous and not, come to be a part of what's happening. next, why one hip-hop star decided to bring his fight for racial equality to ferguson. (son) oh no... can you fix it, dad? yeah, i can fix that.

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here in ferguson, pictures have really told the story. the protests that we have seen on the streets, the law enforcement reaction, all driving this story both in the national media and the discussion that we are seeing online. activists here in ferguson are using twitter to get their message out. including some major hip-hop artists like my next guest who is a rapper, activist. i guess we can call him a raptivist. you have been tweeting a lot what's going on here to your more than 900,000 followers on twitter. you have long really been a passion fat voice of issues of racial equality. you came to ferguson days ago. >> yes. >> why? >> i mean, why not? i'm on twitter often. i love twitter. but the retweeting and everything, it doesn't have an effect without bodies on the

ground. without flesh and people actually showing up, twitter movements, even the movement of egypt, even the arab spring, even occupy wall street, without the people on the ground, actually here there is no story. so as an artist, i wanted to put my money where my mouth is. i'm supported by the community. the community has been brutalized. i have a son that's mike brown's age. mike brown was into hip-hop. it could have happened to me or you. i felt it was important to control the narrative because the media has been doing a horrible job of making sure that the stories get out in the right way. >> i disagree with that especially with our coverage. i think that we've done really great coverage here. and people in the community are actually coming up commending us on our coverage, saying that it's balanced. we've been telling the stories of young black men and their interactions with police officers. i don't think the entire media has been bad. >> no, i don't think -- i think what you're speaking about is intentions. and i don't think -- you know, especially an organization like cnn. i don't think the intention is to not be fair or balanced, but we live in a world that's run by white supremacy, and that's the

narrative -- the narrative and language of the oppressed that's feign over. on cnn.com right now, you have a story up that says ferguson calm until bottles fly. that's inaccurate. because ifs that night. you know what i'm saying? that's not what happened. the first thing in the story it says is police chased down men. >> hang on. >> let me finish my point. >> that did not happen where you were. >> i was right there with the article, the situation they were talking about, i was right there. let me finish my point. >> that's not what happened. i'm going to let you finish your point. >> no, you're not. >> yes, i am. >> let me finish my point before you talk. let me finish pie point before you talk. >> i want to address something that you said. >> we can't have the interview if i can't talk. if i can't talk, we don't have the interview. you're interrupting and telling me, you wouldn't let me talk. >> police say you're not seeing everything that happens that goes on. >> can i finish telling you my perspective? >> go ahead. >> because that's how you have a conversation. >> i understand that. you have to listen to me as

well. >> let me explain something. i would listen to you if you had the decency -- let me finish you. if you had the decency to greet me. >> i invited you. >> you didn't invite me. nicole invited me, first of all. you came up. you didn't say nothing to me. you were on your phone the whole time. you asked how to pronounce my name. let me finish what i have to say or else i'm going to leave. either i can finish it -- >> you say what you have to say and finish. go ahead. >> from what i saw, with my own eyes. >> that's what i'm saying to you. >> and i was there on the ground, all right? that's not what happened. the cnn reports on your website says it chased men down. no. it chased men, women and children down. the cnn report, the headline says "calm until bottles fly." they don't mention the bottles in the article. there's no mention of the bottles flying. i saw the bottle fly. you know when it flew? after the cops told me they were going to blow my f'ing head off. they took their shields and batons up and lined up on the streets. then when they got into

position, a bottle comes out of a peaceful protest. i'm saying it's calm until the cops agitated the people. >> can i speak now? okay. so we have addressed everything that you're saying. >> please. >> okay? that's what you saw from your position. >> that's why i'm here. >> you're not seeing everything that's going on. >> of course not. >> so from your position. >> only my perspective. >> the article you're looking at is one of hundreds if not thousands that are written. >> that's true. >> and also, it's a small part of 24 hours of news coverage that we have here on cnn. >> which is why i said it wasn't intentional. >> as far as you saying me coming up, i have a job to do. what i'm doing on television is in this phone. i am reading -- hang on -- i am reading -- >> i didn't have the respect to greet you if i've never met you before. >> i did. >> no, you didn't. that's a lie. no, you didn't. we have it on tape. you skated by here. and i said hello to you. and you said hey, what's up? you didn't do none of that. >> i'm trying to get on the air. i'm working. i said hello. i'm trying to be respectful to you to make sure that i say your name properly. people call me don le-mon.

i just want to make sure i'm respectful to me so i say your name properly. i said hello to you. i'm very busy ear. i'm not trying to disrespect you. i invited and cnn invited you to be on cnn so we can have this conversation. i don't mind having this conversation. >> i don't either. >> but we have to listen to each other. >> right. but the first thing you did -- >> hang on, producers. i think this is important. go ahead. >> you've been on tv all day. i'm in the streets, and you're out here and i commend you. i see you going through the same struggle as a black man we go through and i commend you because a lot of people are not out here. i can tell from your passion you're not just out here as a journalist. however, the first thing you did is cut me off. and i'm telling you from -- >> i'm not trying to cut you off. >> it's only my perspective. that's all i can be responsible for. >> i'm not trying to cut you off. i'm trying to address each point you're giving. so when you say something, i want to address one point. and then i'm going to stop and let you say something else and then i'm going to address that point. i'm not trying to disrespect you.

what i'm trying to do is get on television so i can get you on and have a conversation with you. >> my job is -- my job is to represent what i saw. and i have 90 seconds at least to speak when you ask me a question. i know how this goes. for me to answer. i've got 20 seconds out. let me say my piece at first and then we can have a conversation. >> let me tell you this. so for the past two minutes, the producers have been saying wrap this up. let's go. if i tell you i'm going to let you speak, i mean that i'm going to let you speak. but i want us to have a conversation where we're listening to each other. >> again, i have a mission, a statement that i have to get out. >> and i'm letting you do that. >> you weren't but now you are and i appreciate it. i can't trust that, brother. i can't trust that, brother. >> so what am i going to do with that? i'm letting you have this. >> yes, you are, and i commend you. >> thank you again. >> i want to say for people, keep the focus on mike brown. i want to say -- >> exactly. >> -- people out here, say because they don't see protest

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back now live here on cnn, the execution of james foley has been called isis's first terror attack against the u.s. the threat of more attacks by isis has led to calls for a crackdown on the militant group. cnn's brian todd joins me now from washington. hello, brian. is there a fear of an attack here on u.s. soil? >> don, there is increasing concern of an isis attack on american soil. a u.s. intelligence official tells us they have indications of isis cells in europe which could attack u.s. embassies and other american interests. security and intelligence analysts say there is growing concern that isis could also develop sleeper cells inside the united states. now, intelligence officials here will not go as far as saying they are here in the united states now. but it is possible, and isis clearly, as you've seen in that video with james foley, has the

motivation to attack american targets given the u.s. air strikes against them in iraq. and one analyst says the isis leader, al baghdadi, what this analyst calls a narcis icissist psychopath. that could be in their plans in the future. >> british prime minister david cameron confirmed that foley's executioner is british. are there americans among the ranks of isis, brian? >> we're being told, don, it's very likely there are americans within the ranks of isis. u.s. intelligence officials have told us more than 100 americans have gone to syria to fight with jihadist groups, and it's looking increasingly likely that at least a handful of them have joined isis. now the fear is they've got american passports, trained on combat, on bomb making and other things and also it's hard to track them. u.s. intelligence assets human

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executioner? >> reporter: we know the government is speckally loifica looking at that video, analyzing it. they've tracked hundreds of jihadists that have gone there to fight. they're looking at their records, seeing if any of these descriptions match. and this is the key. in fact, britain's former counterterror chief here, richard barrett, gave an interview with the bbc in which he said, quote, they, meaning the community here, may be able to identify him. i think the community will be able to recognize this person, and i'm sure many in the community will be keen to do so. there have been an estimated 400 to 500 young men, but also a few women that have gone to syria to fight. and i've actually spoken to a lot of family members who have children there, and they are worried. they don't want their children there. and every time one of these propaganda videos shows up, they fear, you know, that this could be the voice or the face of their child. >> you know, these british jihadis are particularly dangerous to the west because they can travel around europe

and even to the u.s. without a visa. what are british and u.s. officials doing to help hunt down the killer, atika? >> reporter: well, they're trying to keep track of as many of them as they can. but it is very hard, as you can imagine. and more importantly, they're trying to prevent a lot of people from going. there is a big police campaign here to reach out particularly to muslim communities and say, you know, we know you want to help in syria, but fighting there isn't the right way to do it. it's not helping the conflict there. so they're trying. but clearly, it's not working. when you have as many as 500 youths going over there to fight, you have a problem. the question is, are they going to be coming back, and are they going to be coming back with the intent to carry out attacks? as soon as anybody they know comes into the uk, they are questioned. many of them are arrested. but the question is, is that enough, and should they be doing more? >> thank you very much, atika. we appreciate that. reporting from london. just ahead here on cnn,

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orders the national guard to withdraw. governor nixon ordered the national guard to withdraw from ferguson. it says today he has ordered the national guard to begin a systematic process of withdrawing from the city of ferguson. it says the missouri national guard will coordinate with the missouri state highway patrol in carrying out this order. i greatly appreciate the men and women of the missouri national guard for successfully carrying out the specific limited mission of protecting the united command center so that law enforcement officers could focus on the important work of increasing communication with the community, restoring trust and protecting the people and property of ferguson. again, missouri national guard will be withdrawing from ferguson, missouri. that is our breaking news that we will follow here all day long here on cnn as we continue to broadcast live from ferguson. back to our big story here on cnn, a major hunt under way for one of the world's most-wanted killers. and right now i want to bring in griff whitty, the "washington

post" london bureau. you have covered the threat in the middle east and asia for years. the group known as the beatles, guards western hostages for isis. how did the british jihadists become so important within the terror group? >> well, they play a very important role in what isis is trying to do. and it's two things, really. a lot of the british jihadists are even more radical. they're not local to the area. they don't know the local customs. they watch a lot of videos like the one that unfortunately came out the other day. and they are very ideologically motivated, and they're willing to do very extreme things that perhaps some of the locals are not willing to do. but more importantly, they're really a vital instrument of propaganda for an organization like isis. it packs a major punch when you see someone with a british accent executing an american on video. >> and some experts believe,

griff, that the british jihadists are the most ruthless isis members. why is that? >> it's really because they are watching these videos at home. they're seeing the war from a distance in places like britain, in places across europe, even in america. and they're becoming very, very ideologically driven. they've become very radicalized. and when they get to a place like syria, when they get to a place like iraq, they're ready to participate in these atrocities. most of these atrocities are not carried out against americans, against westerners. most of them are carried out against muslims from the middle east. and oftentimes the foreigners, the europeans, the americans are the ones who are most willing to carry out those atrocities. as many as 500 british jihadises are pleased to be operating in syria and iraq right now. and syria's first known suicide

bomber took part in an isis attack back in february. why do you think there are so many gjihadists coming out of britain, griff? >> there is a huge amount of soul searching going on in britain right now and indeed across europe. there have been thousands of people who have decided to go join the fight in syria. it's not very hard for them to travel there. it's just a very cheap airline ticket to get to turkey and then from there across the border into syria. and there's a real sense in britain right now of how do we stop this? how do we keep these people from going? for over a year now, there have been -- there's been a very steady flow. it's picked up recently within the last couple of months after the islamic state declared its caliphate that seemed to have an effect in terms of motivating people. and i think the british government is asking very serious questions now about how does it end, how did they stop these people from going? >> all right, griff, thank you

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the police shooting of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer here in ferguson is putting the spotlight on a problem that is playing -- has plagued this community and towns across the nation. racial tension and a deep distrust many minorities feel toward law enforcement. 70% ofpering son's population is black. but the town's police force almost all white. eric holder visited yesterday to review the civil rights investigation into the death of michael brown. he also met with community leaders and talked to residents. and this morning he talked about what he learned during that visit. >> in my conversations with dozens of people in ferguson yesterday, it was clear that this shooting incident has brought to the surface underlying tensions that have existed for many years.

there is a history to these tensions, and that history simmers in more communities than just ferguson. >> stephan bradley is director of african-american studies and associate professor at st. louis university. eric holder is the nation's first black attorney general, facing really a significant crisis in the predominantly black communities. i want you to give me your impressions on the impact he had in his visit here. >> well, it was very much a call from the community that the community doesn't have faith in the local authorities, obviously so, based on what happened after the initial demonstrations with michael brown, with michael brown's death. so a federal officer, agency coming down, the attorney general, opening up an investigation is exactly what the community wants. and so i think that's a good move. i think some of the calculus is working better now. >> and earlier we reported about

the man in st. louis shot by police after wielding a knife, saying "shoot me, go ahead and shoot me." there are many saying he didn't have to be shot, stunned, tased. it was caught on cell phone video. it raises a lot of questions, clearly, about the use of force, and a lot of people say, you know, this is another example of trigger-happy police. do you believe that? >> well, i'll tell you this. that in speaking with police officers from the area, there's certain protocols that they have, and they know that maybe regular citizens don't know. but there has to be some way to disarm and disable people whom we consider threats. and so without having to shoot them dead every time. >> film maker spike lee appeared on cnn earlier this week and talked about the situation in st. louis and ferguson. >> this is about trayvon martin, this is about jordan davis, michael brown.

ezeal brown shot in l.a. a couple days ago. today in st. louis, a couple blocks away another african-american male shot and killed today. they said he had a knife. but i just think there's a war on the black male. and it's tearing the country apart. >> that was an anderson's program, "ac 360" tuesday night. do you agree there is a war on the african-american male in this country? >> i don't know if i would use that word, but i think it's sometimes dangerous to be a black male in this nation. black men have figured out how to navigate poor neighborhoods. there are shootings that occur all of the time. between black men, of course. but then you have to look out for police officers. and that's where i think police officers and those pretending to be police officers. and so it's very difficult in that way. and those are the things that are killing people immediately. >> stephan, in your estimation, what is fueling this violence, do you think? >> yeah, it's a nasty mix, don. it's a nasty mix of a long time

of neglect, there is, of course -- there's racial tension at the bottom of this. there is economic disparities at the bottom of this. there's poor relationships between the police department and the community. and so when this is over, when you leave, people are going to have to do some things. some of those might include, if i just have a second, is the community policing. there's going to have to be a new way that the police approach the community out here. i think there's going to have to be something in the way of increasing the diversity of the -- the racial diversity on the police department. that's going to be necessary. i think a citizens' review board. all of those things will be necessary. >> and also having a discussion, even in the community, among people like tally benai had. that's how to have civil conversations, and they don't want to offend anyone, but you have to dig in. >> that's why i wanted to challenge them to arrest them --

>> are you ready? is. >> let's go get them. >> appreciate it. that's it for me. for our viewers on cnn international, make sure you stay with us for "news center." and for our viewers here on cnn and the u.s., "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts after this break. top of the hour, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. protest in ferguson overnight, mostly peaceful, only six arrests. and this relative calm could mean a shift in focus away from the anger and toward the investigation. the grand jury here, the grand jury in the michael brown shooting, has begun to hear evidence, new witness coming forward, to describe what he saw on that deadly day. >> when i heard the altercation, i looked out the window, and i see somebody at ferguson police window, some kind of a tussle going on here. >> you saw someb