-- captions by vitac -- -- captions by vitac -- hey, good evening again from ferguson. thanks for staying with us in this hour. young people, kids who seen their lives turned inside out and upside down over the last ten days, what they have to say and you'll hear in a moment, what they have to say needs to be said. they have been through a lot. many schools have been shut down. for the first time since officer darron wilson shot and killed michael brown, there is better news tonight than the night before. things calmed down enough for missouri's governor ordered pull out of the national guard. we talked about that tonight. new ways of looking at the

physical evidence in the case, local developments and a lot more. we begin with two people for whom things may get better but never ever be the same. michael brown's parents, i sat down with them earlier today with their attorney benjamin crump. >> mike, it's one thing to lose a son and another to be thrust into the public spotlight and to have then defend your son and seek what you say is justice for your son. do you feel like some folks have been trying to go after the character of your son? >> yes, sir. >> and they don't know him. they don't know him. >> what do you want people to know about your son? was he like? >> he was special to me. he was ours. he was peaceful. he was humble.

he didn't ask for that. he didn't deserve that and it was wrong. and i'm always going to love him just how he was, and nothing they say can change the way i feel about him. because they didn't know him like we knew him. so nothing you can say is going to ever make me understand what happened, ever. everybody got a past. he was only 18. >> he had his whole life ahead of him. >> that's right. >> when the authorities released that video, surveillance video from the convenience store, did you feel that was a way of trying to change people's perception of your son? >> they trying to cover something up. i didn't go for none of that.

the matter is an officer shot and gunned down our son. even if he did, even if that was the case, he still didn't deserve to get gunned down like he got gunned down. >> it shouldn't change the way -- >> for -- >> he was wrong. >> -- for a kid that's taught to honor and respect the police officer of his job and duties and to respect him and to get done like that is just wrong. >> that's one of the things you tried to teach your son about how to interact with police? >> yes, yes. >> you had conversations about -- >> ain't that terrible? >> yes. >> that you have to have that conversation. >> that you have to have that conversation. really? why? >> but that's the conversation

you felt you had to have with your son? >> yeah. >> what was that conversation? >> well, for one, we -- my son always been a big guy, so he always mistaken to be older than he is and for that matter i felt like he needed to be taught how to interact with a police officer because for one, they would think he's older than what he is, and he's not, you know. he was 16 looked like he was 21. he's 18, he looks like he's almost 24, but the case of the matter, he's 18, you know. >> and the police just profile you, you know. >> he's just -- >> not fair. >> anderson, as we know, they will kill young boys of color and so you have to have that conversation, not in a guarantee that it's going to stop your child from being killed by the

people who are supposed to protect you but every person of color has those conversations with their parent -- if you're a parent, you have it with your child. >> you've had it with your kids? >> i answer lutealabsolutely ha boys. whether michael brown or trayvon martin or jordan davis, north carolina, ranesh, brown. actions where police and authority figures, we have to tell our children, you know, they will kill you. we don't want them to kill you so let us try to prepare you for that day. we're not going to be there with you. it is hard. it is very hard, even as i sit here and i'm a lawyer. you hear it play out so many times in the black community where the police are the people who kill your child and you're scratching your head and saying you supposed to protect them.

you're trained. you know, you're supposed to know when to the use deadly force. you're supposed to know how to have conflict resolution. why did you have to shoot them? >> all along you have been very clear that you don't want violence from these protests and you don't want anything to district from what happened to your son. what is your message to protesters now? >> well, you know, as far as the propest to proteste protesters, you have people out there for the cause and you have people out there being themselves. for the ones that's doing it for the cause, you know, to keep pressure and support into us, to make sure things are, you know, going correctly, you know, we appreciate that as a father and

a mother, you know, but other looting and all this other stuff, it's not helping. it's not helping our boy. it's doing nothing but, you know, causing more pain plus it's shaping his name, you know. we had a -- they making this -- they making it bad for everything, everybody, you know. and i just need them, you know, if they are not for the cause, they need to just go back to your regular life. go back home to your family. hug your son, hug your daughter. love your loved ones. do what you need to do to keep your family tight and go on, you know, because we trying our best

to be strong and if you have yours, hold on to them tight. keep them close and make sure that this doesn't happen again to yours. >> parents of michael brown, i spoke to them earlier today. back with us, van jones, "the new york times", times charles blow and gloria brown marshall. van, you know, you and i were talking listening to that interview and there is no -- i mean, it's not necessarily right or wrong. it's not necessarily one side is correct and one side is wrong when you're looking at these situations. >> well, one of the things that's happening now is that there is actual brain science that shows that both sides can be right. a lot of people say listen, i'm white, i'm not racist, i'm tired of people telling me i'm racist because i'm white. >> stop talking about it, i'm wrong. >> in someways they are correct. people can pass a lie detector test saying they don't have

enmist but turns out the science shes your subconscience mind can hold on to bias. they can put wires on your head and show you an african american and responses show up. if you show black people pictures it's the same kind of response, why? because we're shown so many negative images of black people it gets into our subconscience mind. both sides are right, both sides are wrong. dr. king won the front of our mind but most of your brain is the up conscience. >> charles, i come back and you tweeted and i was talking to van, you tweeted yesterday which i thought was powerful about this doesn't have to be a case where the officer was a good guy and mike brown was a bad guy or mike brown was a good guy and the officer was a bad guy, that doesn't necessarily, character

doesn't necessarily play into this. >> exactly. it is just what is happening in the moment that mr. wilson decides to use the amount of force that he uses and whether or not he uses the appropriate amount of force or uses an excessive amount of force. i need to go back one step. i agree what van said up to the a point, however, harvard university and university maintain the bias, the largest implicit bias test and what those data have found is that everybody is more likely to have an anti-black pro-white bias and black people in those -- they tested hundreds of thousands of people had less bias than other groups of people. it is not a kind of an equal thing. there is more bias against black bodied people in america and that is just what the science shows on that particular point

and that can, as van was saying, creep into your subconscience in that moment i need to pull the trigger and feel fear. you have to determine whether or not part of that calculations of fear is these messages that you've been fed over a lifetime historical messages, pop culture messag messages, media messages about what brown bodied men and women embody and that is what has to be gotten to in this case. >> gloria, it's interesting, we kind of recreated the famous doll test several years ago on the program and very young kids, you know, five, six years old, seven years old have ideas about race, parents, every parent we talked to said oh, my child doesn't see color. we don't need to have that conversation, little kids do receive these messages, even though we may not realize we're

receiving the messages. >> yes, they are receiving these messages and from the very beginning, if you think about the commercials, if you think about the television programs, who is in power, who is out of power, whose the criminal, whose not the criminal, if you think about these things and realize the majority of white people are regular people trying to live their lives and so are the majority of black people but once you add this sense of hostility, this assumption of criminality to the case, even for example with marijuana use, social sciences have shown whites use heroin more than blacks do on average and yet the incarceration rates for black ped the issue of drugs is much higher. so we see that once people believe certain people are supposed to be criminals, that does increase their fear factor and as charles pointed out, there is a split second in which you're thinking do i pull this trigger and on august 20th, we have a situation in which one

time they pulled the trigger i plaque county, they don't with a person with a rifle but they do in the st. louis situation with a mentally ill young man. >> charles, in your latest column of times you talk about racial conversations. they need to be inner racial, what does that mean? >> there are three elements. it can't be a conversation where black people are talking strictly to white people or majority populations about being a greed, that everybody has to have a part in the conversation. you have to say why you feel a certain way and i have to be able to do the same. the second part is you have to understand that race is basically just kind of weap weaponized construct and there is more genetic difference among people in a racial group than

there is between people of different racial groups, that it is just constructed and what we think about what we think about racial is really kind of a cultural construct that was basically designed to suppress people. the third and last thing is you have to grant a certain level of immunity to people if you want them to be honest. they have to be able to say things that will upset you, quite frankly, but if they are earnest and honest, you have to say i understand, that really upsets me but i realize you're trying to get to a point where you're beyond this and let me help you with that. >> and i -- we got to move on but van, on that point, it is such a conversation with emotion, such a difficult conversation to have and a lot of people, you know, feel like i would rather not go there. >> that's why we all stay pretty stupid. i sometimes don't talk about racism but blind spots and sore spots. if you're a woman, you know your sore spots and know how many guys have blind spots.

you also know other people's blind spots. we can talk about the blind spots and sore spots, sometimes can display a bit. i want to say, you know, i understand having lived in both the black and white world to the use that term. you know, african american guys have to have a different conversation with their parents. white guy, if you're at a frat party and mouth off, the cops often respond, boys will be boys, come on guys, calm it down. if you're african american and in a fraternity, completely different response. i've seen both. that's the stuff we got to be able to talk about and laugh about but solve. >> great to have you on. coming up next, the kids of ferguson and how two weeks of protest and tension have really changed their lives. we'll take a break and be right back. good, but her knee pain returns... that's two more pills. the evening's event brings laughter, joy, and more pain... when jamie says... what's that like six pills today? yeah... i can take 2 aleve for all day relief. really, and...

and that's it. this is kathleen... for my arthritis pain, i now choose aleve. get all day arthritis pain relief with an easy-open cap. so what we're looking for is a way to "plus" our accounting firm's mobile plan. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be... one-seventy-five a month. good calculating kyle. good job kyle. you just made partner. our best-ever pricing on mobile share value plans for business. now with a $100 bill credit for every business line you add.

yeah?om. we got allstate, right? uh-huh. yes! well, i found this new thing... called allstate quickfoto claim. it's an app. you understand that? just take photos of the damage with your phone and upload them to allstate. really? so you get a quicker estimate, quicker payment, quicker back to normal. i just did it. but maybe you can find an app that will help you explain this to your father. introducing quickfoto claim. just another way allstate is changing car insurance for good. what would help is simply being able to recognize a fair price. that's never really been possible. but along comes a radically new way to buy a car, called truecar. now it is. truecar has pricing data on every make and model, so all you have to do is search for the car you want,

there it is. now you're an expert in less than a minute. this is how car buying was always meant to be. this is truecar. ♪

as much as things have quieted down here, there is nothing normal yet. people have a tough time getting around, going to work, going in school. kept inside by curfew, insiders, some violent. police troops, you name it. nothing has been normal for them or their kids who are supposed to go back to school this week but won't do that until monday at the latest. their story now. >> reporter: destiny and nola's world is turned upside down for almost two weeks. when you hear violence and tear gas and gunshots, you say that's scary? >> yes, it is because like i said, a lot of my family is over here. >> yeah. >> and it really worries me, not just about my family but the people -- >> the people that are getting help. >> the innocent people who just want -- >> justice and peace.

>> destiny was supposed to start seventh grade this week, nola is in fifth grade but classes in ferguson were cancelled for the week. instead, they are volunteering with a neighborhood association next to the street memorial for michael brown making gift bags for other kids. but at night, the often violent protests have erupted just outside their home in ferguson. >> when all that stuff happens, what do you guys do? >> we just watch the news. sometimes we go in the basement and watch the news, also. >> what do you say when that is going on? >> we just talk to each other -- >> pray together. >> just let each other know like we're here for you and -- >> does that help? >> yeah, it helps a lot. >> to let us know because it could have been other kids or other people. >> it could have been us, so. >> yeah. >> we just let each other know how much we love each other and all. >> the children have witnessed the chaos up close caught

between swat teams and violent protesters. several kids have been treated for inhaling tear gas. so when the sun goes down, they worry about what will happen. >> my granny was out here when they was doing all that. my granny could have got shot. >> at night, one block away from the protest site, three kids shoot hoops under the only streetlight around on ellison drive. a few nights ago, protestors faced off with swat officers, fires set, shots fired, tear gas launched. were you scared? >> i wasn't scared but it's scary what they doing because people don't know what's going to happen now. it was foggy every night. >> every night we had it was tear gas everywhere. >> they often feel trapped in the neighborhood. >> they throwing tear gas and stuff and breaking out stuff. we can't get our education because of stuff like that happening. >> for the children of ferguson

caught in the cross hairs, the disturbing realities of the street struck too close to home. >> that's really nice peace. ed joins us now. did the kids you talked to, what did they think about the protest? did they support them? >> yeah, what struck out is how much they talk about it between each other, ten, 11, 12-year-olds, i think much more aware the last couple weeks than your average kid. >> let's hope school starts on monday, get them back to school. >> every single one of them to a tee said i can't wait to get back to school. >> that's good. thanks very much. joining us -- i want to show you a live picture again of the memorial which is just a couple blocks from here, the memorial in that neighborhood for michael brown and two memorials, makeshift memorials, candles. we saw that spring up. joining us is st. louis alderman

and antonio french. it's a lot different crowd, hardly see any police officers around. it's a much different mood tonight. >> a lot less people, a lot more calm, a lot less crowds. yeah, and i think a lot of the tactics police have used have broken up the crowds, detoured people from protesting on this side, at least. i don't think that's an indication of less frustration or anger but less activity on the street. >> in terms of what happens now not in the legal case but this community, they are businesses which local, small businesses run locally which have not been able to reopen yet, how long term are the effects for this community? >> i think we have a long road ahead. a few businesses damaged on this street will quickly recover. i think the much more difficult task is for us as a community to start healing wounds created this week and longer lasting wounds that really were exposed

that had been there for many, many years and we solved this week. >> i was talking to the mayor who said they are trying to make an effort to get more african americans on the police force. when you look at the numbers, there are three african americans, 50 white officers, more than 90% of the police force is white. there does seem to be a disconnect there. >> i don't think anybody believes this mayor and governor here in ferguson reached out -- >> you say you don't believe that. >> i don't believe that. >> he says there is not a racial divide here. everyone i talked to kind of said what? >> yeah, i'm not quite sure what planet he's on right now, but he's obviously missing the situation and i think he's missed it for h years which contributes to why we're here today. the next step is to heal wounds, get folks especially in ferguson involved politically and get representation in the government. >> there is really not high on municipal elections in april, there is not high african american turnout and national

elections there have been but not municipal wins. >> there has been nationally relatively high. local elections matter. local elections decide who is in charge of hiring the police officers in your community. >> one of the reasons i heard is a lot of people are newer to this community, renters, they don't feel as connected as longer term residents many of whom are white. >> most african americans and a lot of these troowns stay here few years and move somewhere else and don't get involved politically. we want to change that. one thing this week will bring about is more political involvement and we identified good youth leaders, young people that want to get involved and with the proper mentoring training they can be strong. >> missouri ordered the guards

to ferguson. the original mission to provide security is accomplished and now there are fewer problems there will be a systematic draw down. he asked if that was his decision or influenced by the meeting with the attorney general eric holder, listen. >> 100% my decision for the state of missouri. i declared a state of emergency while i listen to folks, make no mistake, those were decisions that i'm responsible for and while i will listen to folk's advice for them, i'm making them. >> you can see more don lemon's interview with governor nixon on cnn tonight at 10:00. he's live in ferguson. ahead in this hour, more on the physical evidence that will be so important in the search for answers here given the unreliability or eyewitness testimony everywhere. we know from studies about how unreliable eyewitness testimony can be. the forensic evidence will be critical. we'll look at the autopsies, three of them can tell about the

circumstances that led to this tragedy.

well, we learned today officer darron wilson did not sustain the serious trama some reported. he was taken to the hospital. a source saying he did not suffer a shattered eye socket as some reported. he apparently had a swollen face as a result of the encounter that left michael brown dead in the streets. his condition will be one of many signs that forensic scientists look for to determine what struggle there was between the two. senior medical correspondent has more. >> reporter: there are dualing

narratives what happened between michael brown and police officer darron wilson, a friend of wilson's version goes like this. >> michael just bum rushes him, just shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face. >> reporter: cnn confirmed that account matches the one officer wilson told authorities but lawyers for the brown family say his autopsy showed no signs of a struggle and that wilson is the one at fault. >> this officer should have been arrested. >> reporter: helping settle disputes like this is the job of dr. pat ross. this is her morgue in south carolina. she's performed more than 7,000 autopsies. so can you show me on our mannequin where would you look for signs of struggle? >> anywhere on the forearms, hands, fingers. >> reporter: you look for bruises or scratches. >> bruises, scratches, yes. >> reporter: dr. ross says she checked brown's knuckles, a bruise there might indicate he had thrown a punch. would you definitely be able to see it in the knuckles or would it have to be hard?

>> it would have to be hard. >> reporter: how do you know if it was from that struggle or before? >> that's a good question because you can't, you really can't age a bruise exactly, you know. it may have happened two hours ago or five days ago. >> reporter: another dispute, wilson's friend says brown rushed the at the officer full speed so wilson started shooting. but some witnesses say brown had his hands up in the air in surrenderer. so michael brown had several bullet wounds here and here. if you were doing an autopsy and looking at the body, could you tell whether he was up like this or whether he was charging at someone? can you figure that out on an autopsy? >> no. >> reporter: and an autopsy might not help with this, either, why brown had a gunshot wound right at the top of his head. how would that happen? >> very likely the victim was bent over like this.

>> reporter: why would someone be bent over like that? >> they are either dodging or maybe trying to run. >> reporter: michael brown's first autopsy was done by the county, the second commissioned by his family, the third completed monday by the federal government. this is now the third autopsy that's been done and it seems like a lot of people are putting hope that it will help answer some of these questions and solve some of these arguments. do you think it will? >> no, it will be -- it may produce more questions but i'd say unfortunately, things take time and people need to be patient and let everybody get together and get all the facts together. >> joining us is general counsel for the st. louis police officer's association and mark o'mara and successfully defended george zimmerman in the killing of trayvon martin. the struggle in the vehicle

which all eyewitnesss say there was some sort of a struggle, how important is that to determine who initiated that and established that? >> it's important. if you use deadly force, the standard is you can use it in response if you reasonably believe you're in danger of serious physical harm or death. so again, what happens in the car -- >> you or others. >> or others. >> so in this instance if the officer feels like he's threatened personally, if it's serious physical harm or death he can use deadly force. any struggle in the car is important to the narrative. >> and mark, the reports about officer wilson's injuries, george zimmerman's injuring certainly played a role in the public perception of the case and certainly in the trial, the images of his bloody head, nose weren't initially released to the public. when they were, they came out and changed the narrative of the case, didn't they? >> they absolutely did because they showed first hand and before anyone else could talk

about it, they showed the physical reality what happened to george. in this case, officer wilson, those injuries i'm sure photographs were taken and the significance is worthwhile. if he's going to alenl he was in fear of great bodily injury, the fear has to come from something. an initial altercation will cause that and tends to show there was an aggressive fight between the two and again, it shows his mind set which is completely relevant almost solely relevant in a self-defense and justifiable use of deadly force scenario. >> mark, i want to ask you how significant is the public communication at this stage? because i've got a lot of tweets from people saying why aren't you talking to darron wilson supporters or his family or fellow officers? there aren't people coming forward a lot of the people who perhaps would be are staying

silent, perhaps they are witnesses. we simply don't know at this point but it's not as if we aren't interested in hearing about the officer's perception of what went on. in the george zimmerman case, you did have a number of family members, friends of george zimmerman coming out early on. how important do you believe that was certainly in the public perception? >> well, for the trial itself shouldn't have much but for the public perception, it was very, very important as you remember in the zimmerman case, the martin family through ben crump andth and others had a strong narrative, turned out not to be true compared to the facts presented but a strong narrative. what i noticed in this case is that darron wilson's supporters are quite silent. i'm very surprised that he doesn't have a lawyer whose being vocal, not necessarily with the facts of the case but at least give darron wilson a face, give him a support so that people know there are two sides

to the story that are coming out and i think it's very important that we balance it. in the zimmerman case it was so important because we knew we would face a jury and we didn't want the jury to only hear one side of the story, same thing here. >> neal, do we know if the officer has an attorney? there is a defense fund, raised some $176,000 so far, has he hired an attorney yet? >> i have a finger on that pulse and i'm sure he's represented by counsel but no one announced publicly they are representing him. in light of mark, and this is important. fy were advising him, i would tell him and the family to keep quiet. the narrative is so far ahead of him. any information will be argued about and discredited. >> wait to whatever happens -- wait to testify in the grand jury, wait to what happens legally. >> create no expectation other than when the time comes, i'll have a story to tell. we still don't have anything. we're guessing. we're listening to rumors and

again, that's what we do but that's a big problem. >> not just o'mara, a number of eyewitnesss witness things but forensic evidence, we know virtually nothing other than the results of the second autopsy. appreciate you being with us. coming up, new details about the death of jim fuoley and how much his captors asked for in ransom. that's coming up next. hmmm...what should we do? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. moderate to severe is tough, but i've managed.

i got to be pretty good at managing my symptoms, except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. when i finally told my doctor, he said my crohn's was not under control. he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection.

if you're still just managing your symptoms, ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible.

beyond anything we have seen that's defense secretary hagel's blunt assessment of isis. he said that as details emerge about the terror group's blood thirsty act, the murder of jim foley. they demanded more than $132 million in exchange for his release. that according to the online publication he was working for when he was abduct in syria in 2012. he says the company tried to raise some money but never took the $132 million figure seriously and there was never any true negotiation that isis just made demands. defense secretary hagel and hearten dempsey spoke about the mission to rescue him and others and isis tactics in general.

barbara starr joins me with more. barbara, let's talk about what was said today raising the alarm as secretary hagel did about isis. what were his points? >> his comments got an awful lot of attention. hagel asked about the threat that isis poses and another al qaeda, another 9/11-type threat. he said this is beyond anything we've seen so we must prepare for everything and the only way you do that is you take a cold still hard look at it and get ready. beyond anything we've seen. i have to tell you, most intelligence analysts in the government that we speak to say they don't anticipate at this point isis is focussing so much on trying to attack the u.s. homeland. they are really focused right now on consolidating their positions in the middle east, possibly attacking u.s. interests overseas which is problem enough, but not coming to the united states at least not any time soon, much more focused on the middle east and

they are vicious, violent and brutal at it. anderson? >> you asked secretary hagel and chairman dempsey about why was this very secret mission revealed? did they say about that? >> it was extraordinary. you know, hoa hostage rescue by cia is secretive. they agreed to reveal the raid had taken place on july 4th weekend, failed as it was because they knew that news media organizations were about to report it and they thought and the decision was made by the white house come out, acre knowledge that it happened, try and at least keep a lid on some of the more, the most sensitive details about how it happened. and was it really a failed raid? that's one of the big debates right now. officials will tell you that they had good intelligence, that the hostages were there but by the time the mission was able to

arrive at site, the hostages were gone. >> wow. such a dangerous mission, indeed. barbara starr, thank you. david rode has a unique perspective. he's a journalist kidnapped, held captive for seven months bump he was able to escape. he wrote a column saying foley's death is a wakeup call of the policy of not negotiating and paying ransom in the cases and european countries take a different approach. i want to let you know there may be noise. there is a group of 60 or so protesters starting to march past our location now. this is the first relatively larger group that we've seen. they will be marching up the ground. it's really been a lot of people standing around, questions of ransoms have went in the shadows, how the united

states deals with kidnappings and western european nations. explain how this conversation needs to km out of the shadows. >> what is happening and jim foley's death represents, there were french and spanish journalist held captive with jim foley and the american journalist that's still alive and those european journalist were ransomed and their home and they are safe. you know, obviously jim foalley suffered a horrible death. we need to hold europeans accountable for paying ransoms that total over $100 million for al qaeda affiliates and this hybrid approach the u.s. doesn't pay ransom and europe does, it's not working and it's not consistently safeguarding hostages. >> also, i mean, paying, as you said, huge sums of money as "the

new york times" reported and has become a major source of income for a lot of these groups spurring probably more kidnappings. do you hope that western europe gets on the same page as the united states in terms of not paying for, for the return of their citizens basically having a policy of not paying ransom? >> i think that's a better approach and i want to be fair to the europeans, the u.s. policy is no government ransoms but in the united states, if there is a captive. the family can pay a ransom. the person, the news organization and if they work for an oil company they can pay a ransom. that's money going to a terrorist group and violation of u.s. law. that's material support to a terrorist organization. the u.s. government will turn a blind eye to the private ransom. the market price is so high, france allegedly paid $10 million in one case, $40 million

total, $10 million each for four captives last year. families can't come up with $10 million. organizations can't come up with that money and it puts the foley family in the same to many session. the islamic state wanted over $100 million in ransom for jim foley. >> you wrote you know of a major aid organization that doesn't send americans into dangerous spots. their countries are willing to pay ransoms. that's incredible. >> that gets back to why it has to come out of the shadows. it's spreading, raising huge amounts of money and changing the way aid organizations are operating and changing the way journalist are operating. one of the victims of what happened to jim foley are the people of syria. these kidnappings are so wide spread and again, we need to talk about this issue and there is no strategy and i think the raid was a good step but it's just -- i don't hear anything from administration or europe

how they will counter this problem. >> appreciate you being on again. more from ferguson when we come back. we'll take a remarkable look at the scenes that played out not far from here. wait, are you running full adobe photoshop on a tablet?

yep. but it's not just a tablet, it's really a laptop. it's a surface pro 3, with a touchscreen. well it can't be as fast as my mac. sure, it can. and it is. but you probably can't plug anything into it. i have a usb mini display port. plug away. and this is my favorite -- it's the kickstand. so you're saying it does more than my mac? well technically, you said it. ♪ well technically, you said it. hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico® credit score. yup, you get it free each month to help you avoid surprises with your credit. good. i hate surprises. surprise! at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card and see your fico® credit score. can you fix it, dad?

yeah, i can fix that. (dad) i wanted a car that could handle anything. i fixed it! (dad) that's why i got a subaru legacy. (vo) symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 36 mpg. i gotta break more toys. (vo) introducing the all-new subaru legacy. it's not just a sedan. it's a subaru. say "hi" rudy. [ barks ] [ chuckles ] i'd do anything to keep this guy happy and healthy. that's why i'm so excited about these new milk-bone brushing chews. whoa, i'm not the only one. it's a brilliant new way to take care of his teeth. clinically proven as effective as brushing. ok, here you go. have you ever seen a dog brush his own teeth? the twist and nub design cleans all the way down to the gum line, even reaching the back teeth. they taste like a treat, but they clean like a toothbrush. nothing says you care like a milk-bone brushing chew. [ barks ]

want to go to our jake tapper, just witnessed quite a scene not too far from here. jake, what did you see? >> well, the marches have started up again. it is about 75 to 100 of them marching very peaceful, very organized, but one of the most remarkable scenes that we have witnessed this evening, anderson, had to do with the stars welcome that missouri state highway patrol cap ttain n johnson, in charge of security here, walking around, talking to people at voter registration table, talking to citizens being praised and then this scene when he went to the clergy tent, and a number of clergy men came to him, prayed with him, put their hands on him, said that he was

here to be in charge of security, not because he's an african-american man, but because jesus picked him, jesus anointed him. it was a very intense moment. and really a very strong -- from the religious community here in ferguson. i asked johnson if he had intention of running for office. i asked him that after he visited the voter registration table. he said, no, not at all. as you've seen in the last week, he was appointed to be in charge of security one week ago today. really a star has been born here in missouri. anderson? >> we just lost jake -- jake, i just lost your mike. appreciate that. that is an extraordinary scene. i think it was pastor white who we had on earlier who was

leading that prayer for captain johnson. life has ground to a halt for those who lived in this neighborhood. for some, nothing short of a crisis. george howell reports. >> it is not just because of the protests. we were already suffering before that happened. but it just has gotten so much worse because even if, like, the public transportation, it is hard to get on the bus to get to work and things like that for some people, so -- >> at night? >> yeah. even in the daytime, because sometimes in the daytime the buses don't want to go up and down the street because the other day my brother was on the bus and he said it got shot at. i don't know who did it, but it is just dangerous, so the buses don't even want to go through the area anymore. >> so you're here. i know the kids aren't loving this, pretty hot out here right now. >> yeah. >> you think you can get some help here? >> hopefully. hopefully so. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> what you see here, you see all around. if you take a look right now we're at a center that has been

set up to help people with food needs, with utilities, people who have rent needs because a lot of people just can't get to work or work has been looted. so work doesn't exist anymore. and you go through here, it is a lot of people in the community right now who are waiting in line for any help that they can get. >> started at 5:00 this morning and by 8:00 we already had about 200 people that were here to seek services. we have tons of counselors. that's a critical need of people right now. we have several of our agency partners, better family life, boys and girls club, a number of people that are here, just to be on hand to provide counseling services for adults and children because we're finding that the children are needing a great deal of counseling too. >> what has it been like for her? >> for her, she's been a little clingy. she's kind of on edge. i hope it gets better. i hope it gets better. we can't afford for it not to get any better.

if it gets any worse, we're all probably going to have to relocate up out of here. we do want justice. don't get us wrong. but get the agitators out of here. we want justice, but in the right way, in a peaceful way. the family of mike brown is going through enough as it is. >> so the cameras are focused an what is happening here on the streets. but there is another story playing out on the backstreets of people who just rely on public transportation to get to work. they say really it is people who came in from other cities, from st. louis, from chicago, just to cause problems. >> it is nice to see the sense of community here and people helping one another. george, appreciate the report. we'll be right back. get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points.

travel, gift cards, even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning a business even more rewarding. ink from chase. so you can.

finally, the purple pill,hr the #1 prescribed acid blocking brand, comes without a prescription for frequent heartburn. get complete protection. nexium level protection™

thanks for watching this two hour edition of "360." i'm anderson cooper from ferguson. "cnn tonight" starts right now. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good evening, everyone. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. we're live on the streets of ferguson, missouri. calmer now, 12 days after the shooting death of michael brown. make none nesmistake about it, e here are angry and they want answers, answers that may be hard to come by. eyewitnesses disagreeing about what they saw. and sources contradicting each other. one source tells us today