animals. >> thanks very much. that dusz oes it for us. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. >> good evening. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon, and we are live on the streets of ferguson, missouri, where it's just about two weeks from the death of michael brown. his funeral is set for monday on what will be a crucial weekend here. stunning news to tell you about. an officer on ferguson crowd control, an officer i had a run in with earlier this week has been relieved of duty. that's after a video of him ranting against the president, the supreme court, women and gays. it's strong stuff, and now another officer has been suspended for other comments. we'll have more in a moment. plus, as people in ferguson demand justice, the white house may be one step closer tonight to taking action to get justice for murdered american journalist james foley. u.s. officials tell us there are

talks inside the military about increasing air strikes in iraq and possibly beginning limited air strikes inside syria against isis targets. we'll get into all of that tonight. we'll begin with the latest from here in ferguson. i first encountered officer page, a st. louis police officer, earlier this week. he tried to push us away from our location during a live broadcast. days of that happened, i received a video that was much more disturbing. roughly an hour-long rant by the officer speaking to a group called oath keepers. it's a rant that got him suspended. nick joins me with more. >> reporter: good evening. these comments were made by one officer while he was off duty and out of uniform. it's these comments that could make things much more difficult for law enforcement operating in ferguson. >> reporter: front and center, a st. louis county police officer

on camera making controversial comments about women, gays and president obama. >> this is kenya. i had my own airplane. i had me a jet. i said, i want to go find where the illegal alien is, my undocumented president lives at. i flew to africa. right there. i went to the undocumented president's home. he was born in kenya. >> reporter: seemingly nothing out of bounds for this officer at a meeting believed to be recorded earlier this month. >> did anybody read this usa today? there are four sodomites in the supreme court. anybody read this? former justice stevens wants to change the constitution. he lists the six things in here that have to go. number one, the second amendment. why would he pick that out?

because he's an idiot. the military right now, you'd have open sodomy. people holding hands. it's sick. you have women trying to -- by the way, and i resent this -- we had our first female green beret. had to redo the qualifications. we've had our first marine infantry officer come out, and they had to redo the qualifications. we had a female range here. what happened? something is wrong. this here is the foundation for this. you can't separate them. i don't know what they don't understand down there, but they need me to talk to them. i'll square them away for you. take me about a minute. >> reporter: page, a 35 year veteran of the force, has been put on administrative leave for his wide ranging and inflammatory comments. >> do you know how the muslims take care of you? they cut your head off. obama is allowing hundreds of

thousands of them to come in every week. >> reporter: oath keepers calls itself a non-it partisan group of police, military and first responders, founded by a yale law grad in 2009. they are defenders of the constitution. in a statement, the group said, dan page is not a member of oath keepers of st. louis/st. charles. he was our guest speaker on one occasion. >> i personally believe in jesus christ, but i'm also a killer. i've killed a lot. if i need to, i'll kill a whole bunch more. if you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me. it's that simple. >> tonight, we're learning about a second local police officer also in trouble for comments he made, this time on social media. let me read two posts from this officer here in missouri. his first post says, these protesters should have been put down like a rabid dog the first night. the second post, i'm sick of these protesters.

you are a burden on society and a blite on the community. i'm reading you this comment, it should be noted the alleged comments made by this officer are absolutely not the views and/or opinions of the glendale police department. this matter is being taken seriously in a thorough, internal investigation. it will be conducted to determine when the posts were made. police officer was immediately suspended pending the outcome of an internal investigation. tonight, two police officers here locally in and around ferguson in trouble and on paid administrative leave. don? >> we're going to discuss all of that. nick, thank you very much. i want to bring in captain ron johnson of the highway patrol, and a chief of the st. louis county police to react to all of that. first of all, let's react to the new officer that has been -- you

heard nick valencia report on the page. do you think the officer should be suspended? >> which officer? >> the officer in glendale. >> yes. those comments were inappropriate. the professional law enforcement doesn't need that, and the community here doesn't deserve that. >> on to the officer that you and i discussed earlier, chief. you said you were embarrassed by it. you apologize for it. he's a veteran of the st. louis police department and has been put on administrative leave. you said he's going to have to have a psychiatric evaluation? >> yes. the bottom line is we expect our police officers to hold themselves to a higher standard. he didn't do that here. his topics were wide ranging, offensive, and offensive to everybody. they were bizarre. at the end of the day, what disturbed me more than anything else is when he talked about the killing. that's out of bounds, in my world. easy way to say it is, we have to establish certain guidelines

on how we do discipline. had he been a probationary officer, i would have fired him five hours ago. >> let's listen again about what he said about killing which was disturbing to you and everyone. >> i personally believe in jesus christ as my lord and savior, but i'm also a killer. i've killed a lot. if i need to, i'll kill a whole bunch more. if you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me. it's that simple. i have no qualms with it. god did not raise me to be a coward. >> conceivably, he was probably making the comments about being in the military, but he is a law enforcement officer and you have a code of conduct that people must abide by. >> we not only have a code of conduct but we have a responsibility given to us to perhaps take another life to save other lives. we take that responsibility serious. that should not be wrapped in rhetoric or joked about, should not be used in a speech to somebody to try to cause

yourself, for example, to look better than perhaps you are. that's really, again, where it crossed the line with me. that's out of bounds. >> can you tell us about his record as a police officer? >> nothing remarkable, nothing bad or good. his name hasn't crossed my desk. probably in the last ten year, he's been detached from the military for four of them. >> you released a statement today apologizing. is there anything you'd like to say to the people of missouri, really to the country, about this? >> bottom line is, i showed up here 28 years ago because the st. louis county police department was a professional organization and it is today. if we don't have the trust in the public, they need to understand that that officer doesn't respect the st. louis department. i need to apology to anybody who would have been offended by the comments and to the members of the st. louis county police department for not understanding this earlier.

>> why are you asking for other video, possibly other instances like this? >> because i want to know how deep the water is. as the police chief, i have a responsibility to know what that is. i have a responsibility to the public. it's that simple. we have to have that trust. >> how can people in the department not know about this officer's views? he's not hiding them. he's saying them in public and on videotape. >> right. well, i didn't know about it. i'd like to think i know probably as much as anybody else. but at 2:00 this afternoon, this was out of the blue. this story was bizarre and took me a while to catch up on what they were trying to tell me. >> captain, there are going to be people and there are people saying this shows you that the police officers in missouri, in that area, it's confirmation to people that this may be the views of many in the police department. is that accurate? >> i think like the chief said, this is this individual. i think in our world, we know

that our world isn't perfect. any person we have, there's going to be good and there's going to be bad. when we see the bad, even in our profession, we need to make sure we take quick action. i think the chief showed that. i think the chief in no way condoned that. i think that's what i want the public to see, that when these are bought to our attention, we will take swift action and it will not be tolerated. >> are you concerned about any -- anyone seeking retaliation for this? not necessarily against the officer, but we saw the violence that happened earlier and experienced the violence that happened earlier. >> i think we've had three of these incidents in a couple days, and we've taken action. one of the officers is from glendale, and they took quick action. we see quick action being taken when these are brought to the attention of the right heads of the departments. we're taking charge of that and we'll continue to do that. >> are you investigating any

other officers or instances? >> no, we're not. >> are you? >> we're not either. frankly, it's been remarkable, the success we've had here with restraint. that's why i'm disappointing when i learn of stories like this. it's heartbreaking. >> did you speak to dan page? >> i did not. my senior staff did and reported to me. >> do you think he'll continue with the department? >> i can't say. as this investigation continues, it's going to be my goal to make sure we get to the truth. if we have the opportunity to take appropriate punitive action, we will. >> it appears that everything is calm here tonight. the crowds are significantly smaller. fingers crossed. >> fingers are crossed. i'm confident in this community. the community has spoken tonight for peace. >> it looks peaceful now. thank you very much, captain and chief. i appreciate you getting back for me and you being transparent about this. let's talk about this. joining me now is the director

of outreach for the southern poverty loss center. she has information on the group dan page was speaking to, oath keepers. also reports that the kkk is trying to get involved here in ferguson. thank you for joining me. who are the oath keepers, and are the comments that this police officer made at this oath keeper meeting in line with their theories? can you hear me? apparently -- okay. she can't. we'll speak with her after the break. back with more of our live news. also coming up, he is an emmy-winning talk show host and activist. tonight, he is calling for peace in ferguson. mo montel williams will join me. the white house' warning to isis, if you come after americans, we're going to come after you. how bad is the threat from isis,

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welcome back, everyone. we're live in ferguson on this friday night. one man who has been closely monitoring developments in this community over the last two weeks is a familiar face to most americans. that's montel williams. he's an activist and emmy-award winning talk show host. he joins me live. good to have you on. >> thank you, sir. >> you have a 20-year-old son. >> yes. >> can you imagine the pain that michael brown's family must be going through right now? >> i can't even imagine for a second the pain that they are going through. my prayers go out to them, as do they go out to even, you know,

and i was saying in the same breath, jim foley's family. we're talking about all of this at the same time. i think we have to put a lot of this in perspective. yes, my prayers go out to his family. from my son's perspective, i have to tell you, it's kind of a different situation. >> it is. the question is, the raising -- parents raising black sons in this environment, the talk that you have to have with black sons. as i'm talking with you, i'm wondering if we've opened a pandora's box when it comes to what's going on in this country, that something that must be dealt with now. >> you know, here's what i'm afraid of, don, is we have opened a pandora's box, just like we opened it up with the oj simpson trial. we open it up and open it up, after the incident goes down and, like tonight, there's no riots in the street or cantister

canisters. news outlets don't think it's newsworthy. when this goes away, it continues to fester. when it comes to my son, he's 20 years old, 6'1", and he's a big guy. he just grew a beard. my discussions with him have been, you look middle eastern and you have to be worried. for the first time in his life, traveling, coming to new york to see me, he was stopped and searched each leg of his flight because he has a beard. that's something else he has to contend with, not just being an african-american male in this country. >> what does that talk like? did you have the talk we talk about with your son, about how to act if he is stopped? you said he was stopped twice coming and going on his flight. do you tell him how to conduct himself? >> don, this has been for me and my son and four children, it's been a lifetime discussion. it's not something that's happened in the last three, four, five years.

this has been a lifetime discussion. when my son was born, he recognized the fact that i talked to him as a child and made sure he understood that he has to respect authority figures, no matter what. so my son wouldn't put himself in a position where he was in an altercation with a police officer. he is now going to school and getting a degree. we've had different discussions his entire life, and i think there are things that as we talk about this as an issue, it's bigger than just that i have a conversation with my african-american son about being afraid of police officers. i've had a conversation with him since he was born about getting an education, about carrying himself the right way, about saying, yes, sir, no, sir, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am, you know what i mean? right now, did i worry about him putting himself in the position when a police officer will or won't stop him because of the color of his skin? he knows he'd step back and take a position that would be in an

effort to kind of diffuse the situation. >> yeah. it's good old fashion values. as a southern, i was raised like that, yes, sir, yes, ma'am. in this day and age, no one is saying that there aren't instances, even if your son does everything right, montel. >> absolutely. >> even if you do everything right, you can still be put in a position where you are challenged in a way or where you may be seen as the aggressor in this country. >> no ifs, ands or buts. i'm not living in a fantasy world. what i'm trying to see is if maybe we can start a discussion tonight and maybe you can convince people to start the discussion that no matter what we do from now until the time the decision comes out from either the grand jury or from the governor or from, you know, eric holder himself, no matter what we do, it's not going to make a difference until this

goes to trial, if there is a trial. right now, we have to figure out what we're going to do when we pick up the pieces to all of this. today, you're talking about it yourself in this one hour of news. you've covered and will cover china, a provocation with aircraft. you're going to cover ukraine and the gaza strip. you're going to cover syria. you're going to cover isil. you're going to cover all these potential areas where the same young men and women -- and remember, 17% of our military is african-american. about 22% of your military is made up of minor tis. they are going to be out there getting ready to put their lives on the line to protect this democracy while ferguson is still going on. remember, we have hawks trying to figure out a way to put troops on the ground. in this big discussion, there's a big discussion that has to be held that nobody is willing to talk about. you know what i'm saying? >> you mentioned the attorney general eric holder. yeah, i know what you're saying. you mentioned eric holder.

he visited ferguson this week. is your opinion that this was -- i want to clarify, that this was symbolic or did he visit here, you think, to help calm things down? >> i think he definitely came to calm things down. i don't think it was symbolic. what i'm trying to say to you is no matter what we does right now, we're going to have to wait for a grand jury to make a decision as to whether or not they're going to indict. if they don't do it, the governor could convince the prosecutor to do so. no matter what you and i talk about this evening or tomorrow or the next day, we still have to wait for the decision to be made. while we're waiting for that, there are a group of people overseas who don't care whether or not you're a black american, hispanic american, a white american, don't matter what color you are. there are plotting right now to do something. what better time than while we are deflected on our own hate that we're trying to say is better than their hate. what better time to strike out against america? listen, this is a big

discussion, don. i'm so happy that you've given me a minute to broach it and bring it up. i don't mean to throw a monkey wrench in the middle of all the discussions, but isil is not going to wait for ferguson to get a decision from a grand jury. the president won't wait for the grand jury to make a decision as to whether or not we end up having to put troops on the ground to protect this democracy. i'm just saying we have to have a bigger conversation about, how do we get past this quicker so that american lives aren't in danger? >> let's talk about something that -- you enlisted in the u.s. marines when you were about michael brown's age. >> yes, sir. >> do you wish there were more options for young men living in communities like ferguson? i find that people come into this community or maybe even the police officers and they think that these are bad kids, bad guys. when you start talking to them and getting to know them, they're not bad guys. they're no different than anyone

anywhere else. they just happen to be men of color born in poor circumstances, many of them. >> don, do you remember -- i don't know if you know anything about where i started out at -- back in 1988 to 1991, i spoke at about 900 to 1,000 high schools across this country. most of them in inner city schools, spoke to kids about staying in school, staying away from drugs, getting an education and trying to reach for something better. i hear from kids across this country right now, thousands, who say, montel, thank you for coming to my school. those kids are good kids. unfortunately, in ferguson, you have a high school graduation rate of under 60-70%. you have a less than 3% college rate of students going to college. somebody has to get in like you said. those are good, young people. why don't we have the leaders of today? i did this 20 years ago. where are the leaders of today going into the schools and telling those young men that there is a different place for them, there's something different? i went in the military but, don,

i could have gone directly into college. i passed up a scholarship to join the military because at the time i did it, i was the class president. i was a student on the board of education. i went to school, and i could have gone directly to college. i went to the service because i had a friend of mine who was shot in the marine corps. i was trying to protect america. then i got a degree from the naval academy. >> listen, i have to run. you know how it is. you're a television guy. >> i know. >> how are you health wise? >> i'm great. don, thank you for asking me that. i have to thank all of your viewers and a lot of other people who have been sending the messages to my daughter who has been battling a tough battle with lymphoma. she's in the middle of this and people have been sending her well wishes. white, black, hispanic and asian, don't matter the color but they've been saying, get better. america is not as bad as we

think. >> we're going to show you that a little later on in this broadcast when we meet the children of ferguson. it'll make you smile and cry. tears of joy. >> want me back for me? >> we'll see. talk to the producers after i let you go here. thank you, montel. i appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. when we come back, the growing threat from isis. will the pentagon expand its military campaign against them? i'll talk about it next with a top official in the administration of president george w. bush. when a pro at any 2014 pga tour event sinks a hole-in-one, quicken loans will pay your mortgage for an entire year. that is how it's done. truly amazing! get in the hole-in-one sweepstakes. enter today at pgatour.com/quickenloans and you could have your mortgage paid for an entire year.

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welcome back. we're live in ferguson,

missouri. the people in this kotown demanding justice. the president is look for justice for james foley who was executed by isis. the threat from isis has grown so strong that pentagon officials tell cnn they're considering expanding air strikes against the terror group, not only in iraq, but also possibly staging them against targets inside syria as well. joining me to discuss this is the former attorney general under president george w. bush. an fbi bulletin was issued today saying at this time, there is no credible isis-linked threats against the u.s. yesterday, chuck hagel says the u.s. needs to, quote, get ready cht what . what is your assessment? >> this is a group that is intent on doing as much damage as it can, as quickly as it can, which is illustrated, of course, by how quickly its risen. they've done something that no other group has done, which is take and hold territory. by the same token, they want to

lash out at the united states. that was clear with the murder of james foley. i think that secretary hagel was perfectly appropriate in cautioning us about infiltration here, particularly in view of the fact that a lot of these people carry western passports, including u.s. pass wortportass our southern border isn't as tight as it could be. >> why is there a disconnect between what we're hearing from the pentagon and what we're hearing from the fbi? >> i'm sorry. i don't really understand the question. the difference between what we're hearing -- you mean the fbi in terms of -- >> the pentagon and from the fbi. >> domestic -- yeah. the pentagon takes a larger view. the fbi is focusing on particular information that they have here. we're not likely to have a warning here before something

happens. i think that when the fbi says they've got no information about anything going on here, that's all that that means. what isis is planning is something that i think is beyond their reach. >> listen, you know, the president described them as sort of the junior varsity team earlier. it doesn't appear they're jv at all. why do you think they underestimated how dangerous isis is? >> i think you have to look at this as a group that is different in degree, but not in kind from anything we've seen before. what they have done is to do what, in reverse order, what al qaeda wanted to do. al qaeda wanted to inflict terror first, get the united states out of the middle east, and then create a caliphate. what these people have done is declare the caliphate right away, which gives their

adherence something concrete to hang on to. then go on to try to conquer additional territory while inflicting terror simultaneously. so they've got kind of a double mission, and they've been very successful in attracting recruits and in grabbing money. >> yeah. i want you to listen to something that the oklahoma senator said. he warned of a possible attack on american soil. listen. >> they are really bad terrorists. they're so bad that al qaeda is afraid of them. they are rapidly developing a method of blowing up a major u.s. city. people can't believe that's happening. >> do you believe isis is looking to conduct such a large attack? >> you want a one-word answer? no, i don't. >> yeah. >> i think that substantially overstates things.

i don't know of anything that supports that, other than their desire to do it, perhaps. i know of no indication that they actually have access to weapons of mass destruction that would allow them to do that. i think the senator was over the top with that. >> your insight is very valuable, and we enjoy having you here on cnn. thank you for coming and we'll see you back soon, okay? >> great to be here. thank you very much. >> thank you. when we come back, which terror group is now the bigger threat? is it al qaeda or is it isis? we'll get some answers next. fact. every time you take advil liqui gels you're taking the pain reliever that works faster on tough pain than extra strength tylenol. and not only faster. stronger too. relief doesn't get any better than this. advil so i can reach ally bank 24/7, but there are24/7branches? it's just i'm a little reluctant to try new things. what's wrong with trying new things? feel that in your muscles? yeah... i do...

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welcome back. live from ferguson, missouri, tonight. unrest here is not the only item on president obama's agenda. earlier this year, he said of isis, if a jv team puts on lakers uniforms, it doesn't make them kobe bryant. yesterday, the president's own defense secretary says the isis threat is, quote, beyond anything we have ever seen. just how powerful is isis? joining me to discuss is a cnn national security analyst, a cnn security analyst and former operative. i appreciate you both coming on to talk about this. bob, the central question is, what's the best way to fight back against isis? u.s. officials are telling cnn.

>> reporter: there are talks inside syria against specific isis targets. officials are stressing, no decisions have been made by the white house. do you think that we have to go to syria? >> i unfortunately think we do with air strikes, as long as we don't send troops in, decapitate this organization. it is dangerous. it's the first time that an al qaeda like organization owned territory and weapons. we don't want to get in a fight with sunni islam. it has to be limited and it has to be the iraqis and the syrians who crush this organization. >> okay. so tailored and limited. will that be enough, bob? that's the question. >> i hope so. i just couldn't conceive of the united states ever sending its military back into iraq to go

into eastern syria. it would be horribly costly and probably wouldn't work. so let's keep our fingers crossed these limited air strikes slow this organization down and give the iraqis and the syrian forces time to crush them. >> julia, you're shaking your head in agreement there. i want to ask you this, the former deputy director of the cia fears isis could carry out attacks in the u.s. we'll listen and then discuss. >> if a isis member showed up in a mall in the united states tomorrow with an ak-47 and killed a number of americans, i would not be surprised. over the long term, i worry that this group could present a 9/11 style threat. >> 9/11 style. what are the short and long term threats isis presents against the u.s. where he would say 9/11

style? >> i mean, the honest truth is that this is true of any terrorist organization. i think the fbi, the deputy director's statements were sort of completely over the top and not helpful from how do you plan to protect the homeland? something is going on where the generals are talking about expanding air strikes. there is fears within the homeland. what are we going to do? every shopping mall could be attacked. the white house either needs to get the generals in line so that they are on the talking points, which is, there are no immediate plans to -- for anyone to attack the united states, or if this is part of some concerted effort to prepare the american public for expanded attacks or expanded military strikes in syria, talk to us like we're rational adults. the split between what the generals are saying, scaring everyone in the homeland, and what we're hearing about what the plan needs to be, consistent

with what bob was saying, the split is confusing to the american public. get the generals in line and stop all this talk about imme t imminent threats and shopping malls. >> i have another question for you. governor rick perry indicated that isis could be coming to the u.s. through mexico. others say that is not likely at this time. do you think they're already here? >> i don't know. i mean, look, we have poor southern borders and we've always known that. the truth is, terrorists, at least sophisticated ones, don't want to do anything illegal before the big attack. one has to assume that if they're planning something in the united states, it's going to be as lawful as possible until the moment of attack. but there is at least no public acknowledgment of any imminent attack, anyone here who is affiliated or aligned with isis. look, any crazy person can say they have allegiances to isis and show up at a mall with an

ak-47. that is unfortunately the truth of the nation we are now. we have to decide our national security policy about what is best for our own security. not what one individual could potentially do coming through the southern border. i hope that we can get a consistent message coming out of the white house and make a decision about what is the best military strikes to disrupt isis in the future. >> bob, i want to get this question in in the short amount of time we have left. we don't negotiate with terrorists, we always say that. president obama agreed to exchange five detainees for bergdahl. that was likely illegal. why didn't the administration work out a similar deal for the release of james foley? >> that's a good question. they probably could have. they judged this organization less reliable than the taliban. the taliban is not an international terrorist organization. it has no intention of attacking

the united states. it's not claiming a caliphate. it's almost, you know, a moderate compared to the islamic state. they're afraid to go down that route because there is a hostage exchange in syria. will that encourage taking more? it's a hard decision, but they probably made the right one. >> appreciate you both. when we come back, the unrest here in ferguson has taken its toll, especially among the youngest residents. i'll talk to the children of the community next. this is the first power plant in the country to combine solar and natural gas at the same location. during the day, we generate as much electricity as we can using solar. at night and when it's cloudy, we use more natural gas. this ensures we can produce clean electricity whenever our customers need it.

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welcome back. we're live in ferguson tonight where things are a whole lot calmer than they were a few days ago. it's been almost two weeks since the death of michael brown touched on outrage in the streets. all of this has taken its toll on the youngest residents here. there are dedicated people trying to make things better. earlier, i visited the school of peace at the public library, a place for hundreds of children to go while schools here are closed. we have blurred some of the children's faces. that's our policy when their parents aren't with them and we

haven't spoken to the parents first. what are you guys doing, math? what's going on? >> social media is fantastic. social media, got on the phone, got on e-mail, got on twitter, got on facebook, the kids don't have school. what will we do? they end up here. >> do you like school here? >> yes. we get to play and go outside. >> so you have a regular school. have you been to the regular school yet? >> no. >> no? so this is your regular school now for a while, right? >> this is my school. >> are you making friends here? >> yes. >> teachers had art supplies and crayons. 40 kids we could manage, put some structure around it like we're having real school. then teachers came. then we said, we need school. so we have pre-k and kindergarten and first grade, and a full middle school going on with language arts classes, algebra classes going on.

>> that is amazing. >> it is amazing. >> see what happens out of something terrible. >> something wonderful has happened. >> we've been here since tuesday. my thing is, i want these -- it's not their fault that this is happening, and they should be able to still learn and have fun and still eat and, you know, have a little bit of normalcy. >> structure? >> yeah. >> a normal day. do you agree with that? yes? and you do, too? say yay, mom. >> yay, mom. >> i agree with that, too. i think that's great. people from all over the country are sending stuff, sending you money, sending you supplies or what? >> supplies and they brought in supplies. a lot of the food has come from the st. louis metropolitan area. someone came in and brought a donation, but they wanted it specifically for the library to buy african-american books for male children. now that library fund has been increased a little bit. >> that's amazing. >> it's amazing.

it's more -- >> african-american books for male children. >> male children. >> how is that? all right. is this the solution you think, or part of the solution, as to how to help the young black males in this community? >> oh, my gosh. there's so many layers to that. st. louis, the nation, but st. louis and the region of st. louis has to peel back the onion and the layers. it smells. you have to peel it back and honestly look at ourselves and our community and examine how did this happen? this did not just happen. >> overnight. >> it didn't happen overnight. the governor came here yesterday. there was a judge in here yesterday, and captain johnson came by yesterday. all of these people to come around and circle these children to say, you know what, we adults, sometimes we mess up. >> but we have your back. >> but we know that you're the important entity right here.

we need to focus on you. >> do you know what's going on, with what's happening? >> the kid got shot. >> what do you think of that? >> it's mean. >> yeah? >> i think hi should have leaved the kid alone, what he was doing. he should have done nothing but leaving the kid alone and what he was doing. then he should be walked away. >> nobody gets hurt, right? >> uh-huh. but now he died. that's a bad thing. >> very bad thing. >> and the good thing is he -- he's a kid, but he's still everything with his father and his mama. that's why he was a kid. so he can be with his mama and

daddy. >> he needs to stay alive to be with his mom and daddy. >> uh-huh. >> do you see the protesters and people out on the streets? what do you think about that? >> i think it's people in the way. >> they're in the way of your car? >> uh-huh. you're trying to drive, they're in the way, trying to -- and people be blowing their horns. it's too much. >> from the mouths of babes sometimes, huh? so you understand why they're out there? why are they out there? >> because the boy got shot. >> yeah. >> they're mad about that. >> they were so adorable. there were three or four of them that said, i want to go home with you. i wanted to take them home, but i think that'd be kidnapping. i couldn't do it. i'm going to frame these. this is from jewel, and she's a great artist. i'll put these in my office. this one is from jade.

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welcome back, everyone. all eyes on the unrest here in ferguson for the past two weeks, there is some good news out there to report. a chicago sports team has a chance to make history tomorrow. these athletes don't make millions of dollars. in fact, they don't make any salary at all because they're little leaguers. they are making waves on the south side of chicago. let's hear their story. >> reporter: for the first time in 31 years, a team made up entirely of african-american kids made it into the league's world series. they're from washington heights, an area most consider to be a tough place to grow up, but that hasn't stopped them from pushing forward. >> we play as a team. that's what we like to do, we like to play as a team and get everybody involved. that's what -- that's how we've been winning. >> reporter: he is, of course, named after jackie robinson, and

his widow says the team has upheld the legacy of her husband. in a better to pierce jones, one of the team's stars, she wrote, you give so many of us hope and inspiration. from the south side to downtown, watch party celebrated another win for jackie robinson west on thursdays. the amazing run the team is on has given fans something fun and positive to believe in. >> we hear so much about the negativity that goes on. it's just refreshing to be out here to support something that's great. >> any time you see kids from the inner city, especially jackie robinson kids, play so well and accomplish this, it brings light to that area and shows kids this can be done. >> reporter: the number of african-american players in mlb has declined. the decline is a concern of the

new commissioner, who was in attendance at the little league world series this week. >> we want all kinds of kids playing the game more, and that's the kind of approach that the commissioner started us on and you'll see more of that. >> we try to be humble and not let it get to our heads. it's been hard though. we've been getting stopped a lot. >> reporter: asked for autographs, right? >> yes. >> reporter: kind of odd, right? >> well, yeah. >> reporter: it's cool. >> it is 11 p.m. on the east coast and 10 p.m. on the streets of ferguson. michael brown's funeral is set for monday. on this crucial weekend here, two police officers in the area have been suspended. one, an officer on ferguson crowd patrol. i had a run-in with him earlier this week. he's been relieved of duty after a video surfaced of him ranting against the president, supreme

court, women and gays, even victims of domestic violence. >> you don't like each other that much? kill each over ather and get it with. >> a second officer was suspended over inappropriate posts on his personal facebook page, like this one he wrote saying, quote, these protesters should be put down like a rabid dog the first night. we're going to get into all of that. we want to get to cnn's stephanie elam. she is out in the crowd and has more for us. >> reporter: don, it's definitely another night of calm energy out here. you can see that the police are here, but they removed themselves further away from the actual street. they're further up into the parking lot. also, you see people stopping, maybe buying babq and eating on the street. some people out here are still marching. for the most part, it's calm and almost feels a little bit like a

block party without the excitement. people are meeting their neighbors. we've seen people here from all over the country. we just talked to one couple from the st. louis area and wanted to come out and show their support and keep the focus on how this is a part of history and, hopefully, we can learn about this and talk more about race in this country. one thing, they say, is not happening. if you look behind me, we still have the clergy coming out and talking to people and trying to get people to stay galvanized but keep the positive energy out here going. another night that looks like it's going to be a good one at this point, don. >> we've seen the protesters and the marchers, but we've seen no incidents of violence. it's been peaceful. stephanie elam, thank you very much. the rant that got officer dan page suspended is something you really have to hear to believe. here's cnn's nick valencia.

>> reporter: front and center, a st. louis county police officer on camera making controversial comments about women, gays and, among others, president barack obama. >> now this here is kenya. i had my own airplane. i had me a leer jet. i said, i want to see where the illegal alien, my president, my undocumented president lives at. so i flew to africa, and right there, and i went to our undocumented president's home. he was born in kenya. >> reporter: seemingly nothing out of bounds for officer dan page during a speech at an oath keepers meeting, believed to be recorded earlier this year. >> anybody read the "usa today," with this incident where there are four sodomites on the supreme court? former justice stephens wants to change the constitution, and he lists six things that have to go. number one, the second

amendment. why would he pick that one out? because he's an idiot. in the military right now, you have open sodomy, people holding hands, swapping spit together, sick. it's pitiful. you got women trying to -- by the way, a i deeply resent this, we had our first female green beret. they had to redo the qualifications. we had our first marine infantry come out and they had to redo the qualifications. we have our first female ranger. what happened here? something is wrong. this here is the foundation for this. you can't separate them. i don't know what they don't understand down there. i'll square them away for me. it'll take me but a minute. >>. >> reporter: page, a 35-year-old veteran, has been put on administrative leave for his wide ranging and inflammatory comments. >> do you know how the muslims take care of you?

they cut your head off. obama is allowing hundreds of thousands of them to come in every week. >> reporter: oath keepers calls itself a non-partisan group of police, military and first responders. founded by a yale law grad in 2009, they say they are defenders of the constitution. in a statement, the group said, dan page is not a member of oath keepers of st. louis/st. charles. he was our guest speaker on one occasi occasion. >> i personally believe in jesus christ as my lord and savior, but i'm also a killer. i've killed a lot. if i need to, i'll kill a whole bunch more. if you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me. it's that simple. >> nick valencia reporting there. earlier, i got reaction from that from ron johnson. also, the chief of the st. louis police. >> the bottom line on this is we

expect our police officers to hold themselves to a higher standard. he didn't do that here. his topics were wide ranging, they were offensive, patently offensive to everybody. frankly, they were bizarre. at the end of the day what disturbed me more than anything was when he talked about the killing. that's out of bounds in my world. easy way to say it is, we have to establish certain guidelines on how we do discipline. had he been a probationary officer, i would have fired him five hours ago. >> this community is preparing for the funeral on monday of michael brown. reverend charles is his uncle and will deliver the eulogy. i spoke with him earlier today. pastor, you have to give the eulogy. >> yes, sir. >> i can't imagine. >> it's not going to be easy, but i can do it. yes, sir. >> are you counseling the mom? >> yes, i am. i'm kconsistently counseling sh

and my sister. michael brown's grand ma is my sister. >> what do you say? >> during this time, i can embrace them and hold them and comfort them and pray that the lord gives them inner strength, because it hasn't been easy. >> as we've been out on the streets of ferguson, you hear people honking. as we do this interview, you hear chanting. >> yes. >> what do you think about that? >> i believe it's encouraging and that the people are aware of what has happened in this area, and some are showing their concern in this area. we are people of peace. we're not violent people. we're people for peace, and we encourage the protesters and the rioting, it's not necessary to carry out such drastic measure. >> his presence will be missed. >> greatly. my son was with michael after he

graduated, went by the house. my son and i was trying to encourage him because he was so big. we said, michael, now that you're out of high school, go to a college to play football. because you're young, they can condition you and train you. he said, i can't play football. that's not me. i can't find myself hurting or hi hitting anyone. >> you describe him as a gentle giant, then it's a contradiction of what you see on the video from the convenient store. it's a contradiction of being a gentle giant. >> what they're saying, i'm shocked. i never heard of michael being in any fights. i never seen him even being aggressive. we used to think of him as the dough boy because he was chubby. >> the family dealing with this, it's going to be a long road. >> absolutely. >> how will you get through it? >> we'll make it through the

long road. we're combining together as a family unit, strengthening each other, and most of all with the help of god, bringing us through the situation. >> how are you preparing for this. >> i rely upon god. i entered the word of god, and i have a message for the whole world concerning this whole situation that hopefully will bring healing to everyone, all the listeners, throughout the nation and the world. >> thank you. >> you're very welcome. >> bless you. >> god bless you. >> now, i want to bring in the man who is working to keep the peace here in the days leading up to michael brown's funeral, and that is the public safety director for the city of st. louis. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> the funeral is in st. louis, which is your jurisdiction, happening on monday. do you think there will be any issues with unrest and how are you preparing for that? >> with every activity we have in the city of st. louis, we plan for everything. no, i don't believe there's going to be unrest.

i really believe that it's going to be peaceful, but we have put our plan in place. we've met with the family and met with the friendly temple, as well as their funeral place as well. >> what are you doing to make sure the residents are safe? >> again, we'll have our police department that will be there. they're going to make sure that they're protecting a route they're going to have from the funeral home to the grave site, which will be at st. paul in normandy. then we're making sure that route will be safe for them in that process. >> you've been a resident living here, and also the safety director. i would say this is unprecedented, in a sense, for what the area has had to deal with, especially in modern days. >> in my lifetime. >> in your lifetime? why do you say that? >> this is not -- we've not had a situation like that's occurred in ferguson, and we're obviously growing through this, as well as the community is growing through it as well. >> do you think the law

enforcement agencies handle this appropriately? because we saw there was so much criticism about the police force that looked overmilitarized and that they may, in some way, have made people angrier by showing up as occupiers. >> you're asking me to second guess how they handled it? what i can tell you is as they kept going on, they kept getting better and better in how they were handling the operation going forward. i think it was a learning experience, and i think there's a lot of people that got better at what they were doing. i believe that once they put the state in charge, we started seeing things get better. >> appreciate you joining us. have a great weekend. >> you, too. >> monday we'll see you. >> thank you. we have more ahead in ferguson. more on the shocking rant that got a police officer suspended. also, questions about the michael brown case and the grand jury that's hearing evidence. why only three of them are african-american. the future for ferguson's

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welcome back. we're live in ferguson. we're talking more about the disturbing rant of police officer dan page. i want you to listen to what he said about domestic violence. >> when the inner city ignite, people are going to kill

people they don't like. i'll warn the ladies on something, and this gets me in trouble, but i have to tell you, the domestic violence stuff, every time a man turns around and gets jacked up by his wife on this, you are heading for trouble, ladies. a man can be arrested now for domestic property damage, domestic peace disturbance, domestic destruction of property and so forth. how can you do that in your own house? you can be arrested for domestic trespassing. i've seen people with stupid. if you don't like each other that much, kill each other and get it over with. problem solved. get it done. don't be wasting cop's time. shoot each other and get it over with. >> that wasn't harsh. i'm joined by a criminal defense attorney and constitutional attorney. also mel robbins, cnn commentator and legal analyst. also an attorney who represented the family of the unarmed former college football player who was

shot dead by police last year. and also a cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney. you know about my first interaction with this officer. that was on monday when we were in a place where they told us the media should be. they gave us -- and then he came through the crowd and started pushing the crowd and pushing me as well. as you see, he had his hand around me so i couldn't move away from him as he's pushing. i'm showing this because this is how you get the best view of him, to see that it's the same guy in the video that you see in front of the podium. i want to play another -- that was a clip of him. what do you make of it? who here things that many law enforcement officers in this area are scrubbing their social media sites right now? mel, you think? >> i think all of them are. you know what i find unbelievable, don, is how was he on the force for 34 years and had this point of view? if he's speaking out in a public

form, he's clearly said this kind of stuff, i would imagine, to his colleagues, don. >> yeah. it's hard to believe that -- go ahead. >> i was going to say, this underscores the culture of law enforcement in the community. you wonder why the community is in outrage and why there is marching. it's because this is the norm. these are the officers that are policing communities that don't believe in the law. you have a law enforcement officer who not only doesn't like the law, clearly doesn't like people. doesn't like women, black people, brown people. >> don, i think we should wait a minute before we say this is the norm. i haven't seen a lot of other videos like this. after all, if we did, we wouldn't be focusing on this one. here's the deal, police officers, yes, they do have a constitutional right to free speech. they just don't have that right to free speech and the right to keep their job. this is a supreme court case. i can be helped out here, but the rule is clear.

police officers can speak to a matter of public concern. if they create disharmony within the job, then the government can regulate the speech of its employees, even if that speech that they couldn't regulate in the private citizen. >> what is our defense for the people who are marching here the last few weeks who have had bullets fired on them, who have been subject to military policing? it's a first amendment right. >> yeah, i'll answer that question. your initial statement was that this is going on all through the police department. i think that's quite a leap. >> they shot an unarmed man. >> you think there are that many youtube videos out there with a rant like this? >> no. >> chris -- >> in all fairness, chris, i think most people realize this, there are good law enforcement officers. there are a few that make them

all look bad. >> i agree in general. >> there is the first amendment, and i addressed that with the chief. he said, it is a first amendment right. it's concerning as a member of law enforcement that he's appearing to be glorifying killing people. >> there are two issues here. the officer clearly has a first amendment right. he can believe whatever he wants to believe. he can go to groups like this and make statements about what he believes. however, he works for a police department. he has sworn to a particular code of conduct that he must follow. it's not just his belief but it's his behavior. when you hear comment s like tht about domestic violence by an officer who is being sent to residenre residere residences to take care of domestic violence, it needs to be taken care of. >> listen, there are people who are defending him, i'm reading

on social media. i've been reading articles since this happened. you guys can give me a show of hands. is there anyone on the panel who defends what this officer is saying and thinks he has the right to say it? anybody? no one? okay. >> i think you have an amendment right to say whatever you want. >> he has a right to say it. >> yeah. >> it was pointed out to me, certainly not the people behind me. i want to play another clip of officer dan page speaking at the oath keepers meeting in april. >> i personally believe in jesus christ as my lord and savior, but i'm also a killer. i've killed a lot. if i need to, i'll kill a whole bunch more. if you don't want to get killed, don't show up in front of me. it's that simple. i have no qualms with it. god did not raise me to be a coward. >> now, he's a veteran police officer and speaking publicly

about this group. he's not trying to hide it. he's on a microphone doing it in front of a camera, yet, the rest of the police department is saying, they didn't know anything about it. >> i find that hard to believe, quite honestly. they might not have known about this speech, but this is what i was getting at earlier. when somebody has believes that they're this proud of, this guy is not only just kind of saying what he believes, he's preaching to these people. you can guarantee if he's been in the force for 34 years, he's been around cadets. i'm sure he has said similar things in passing to other people on the force. what i find to be so alarming is the fact that -- look, there's no evidence of this. i'm telling you from my gut. if there is a guy that believes this strongly in this kind of awful, derogatory, horrific kind of stuff that he's talking

about, you stand in front of me, i'll shoot you. in kwoyou're in a domestic viole relationship, kill each other so i don't have to. >> he's admitted to killing people. don, you're lucky to be alive. he said he'd do it again. >> this next one is for you, chris. i have people worried about my safety here. this is what he said about president obama. >> i want to go find where the illegal alien, the president, my undocumented president lives at. so i flew to africa, and right there, and i went to our undocumented president's home. he was born in kenya. >> our undocumented president's home in kenya. do you think it's political opinions that have any bearing on what kind of a police officer he would be? how many times, chris, does this have to be knocked down, the president is a resident of the united states, was born in the

united states, was not born in kenya. for this guy to be prove katie i ing that what gives? >> what is concerning is that this officer doesn't believe, not only does he not believe in the law, but he doesn't believe in documentation. this is an officer who would create a stop, probably not identify the driver. if the driver asserted his rights, he'd probably arrest him or kill him. this is not the person who should have a gun or badge, and the agency needs to overhaul it. i'm not surprised we're having the issue in ferguson because of the culture in the law enforcement agency. >> chris, i have to ask you, i have to make sure i understand your logic. you're saying because he believes what everyone knows to be a ridiculous view about where president obama was born, that makes him likely on a routine car stop to shoot and kill the person he stopped? i want to be clear.

>> that's not rational. >> he ignores the facts and the evidence. clearly, the president has documentation. it's not political. >> let's stick with the facts. the facts are, under the constitution, again, he probably has the right to say those things, but he is probably not fit constitutionally to hold the office of police officer. >> then we agree. >> hang on. if you have someone who believes something that clearly is not true or logical, i think chris makes a very good point here. what is it that would make him believe something that anybody would say, if someone disagrees with him and he believes that it's absolutely true when there is the evidence out there showing it's not true, i think chris makes a very good point here. >> don, you know, we agree on most of what we're saying. what he says probably renders him constitutionally unfit to serve as a police officer because, using the standard, it

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i kill everybody. i don't care. >> page, you were trying to make a point before we went to break. he'll kill anybody. >> don, i have a bigger problem with the comments this officer makes about what a police officer may be encountering, the fact he's willing to kill people, his positions on domestic violence, things that affect his job. however, i have no problem defending his right to say whatever he wants to say about the president, as misguided as it may be, because that doesn't directly affect the department. he has a right to do that. when he's talking about his job, possessing a firearm, using a firearm, then it's problematic and he doesn't belong on the force. >> don, i think it's shocking. the irony is shocking. we're defending the first amendment rights of this officer. what about the first amendment rights of the protesters who have been shot with rubber bullets, who had assault rifles pointed at them with the

policing? the only thing missing in ferguson was drones. can we defend the rights of the people? >> yeah. >> i guess not. >> that's a good question. can we move on now? did everyone get this out of their system? i think everyone is in agreement that what this officer said was horrific, especially the part about killing and where he's glorifying killing. we'll move on and talk about the racial breakdown of the grand jury that will weigh the evidence against officer darren wilson. it was released today and is con prized of three pr african-americans and nine whites. thoughts? >> well, you know, i was talking about this with somebody earlier today, and i'm not surprised we know the break out. all it take it is a reporter to camp outside and watch people going in. i hold out hope. i'm not as cynical as some of the folks that are on the panel tonight.

i still hold out hope that the fact that there are three african-americans and seven white folks on this jury -- or this grand jury, that they can actually look at the evidence that's presented and make the call based on the facts and the evidence and the law and not have this divide along race lines, like everybody wants to predict that it is going to. >> how much does this matter -- hang on. how much does race matter on a jury? >> it's the grand jury process that, i think, is concerning. see, the problem that everyone has been complaining about is transparency and how the investigation has been opaque. now, they're submitting this case to a grand jury. wait until people find out how secret grand jurys are. the other thing grand jurys are criticized for is there is a punting by the prosecution.

if there is no indictment, no true bill, the prosecutor could argue, well, that's the grand jury's fault. i was a little concerned today when they released the makeup of the grand jurors, when the grand jury secrecy is very well-preserved usually, and you try not to reveal information about the identities of the grand injury yourjurors. grand jurys are secret. we'll hear virtually nothing about what goes on. releasing the information about race goes towards releasing the identity of the grand jurors. that is moving on a slippery slope. we must protect and preserve the identity of grand jurors if we want to maintain the independence of the grand jury system, which is already chris si -- criticized. >> chris, go ahead.

>> clearly, the grand jury is not reflective of the community. more concerning for me is who is presenting the evidence to the grand jury. here we have a state attorney who is bias. the investigation is probably -- >> can i talk to you about that, chris? i spoke to the governor. every single day, just before i came on to do this show, and i was doing live shots earlier for anderson and erin, people were coming up to me saying, you got to get the videotape of the prosecutor mccull lokucullccull. the governor said yesterday, it is not going to happen. what happens at the end of this? he is in place and people don't get the outcome they think they're going to get. then what? >> thank god for eric holder. that's where we'll get justice. we have problems in charlotte and the ferrell case getting an indictment initially. we cannot expect a fair, just

presentation of evidence on their own. the homicide detectives were officers with the shooting officer. then we have a state attorney who has already said he's supporting the officer and doesn't believe the victim. >> this is a grand jury process. it's not a trial. it's how the system works. >> i'm not knocking it. >> you are knocking it. >> he said we're not going to get an indictment. >> you are knocking it. >> one at a time. >> totally different than a jury trial. this is how it works. the prosecutors put on their case, the defendant has the opportunity to testify. the defense attorneys aren't there, and they decide whether or not there is probable cause to move forward. >> could be an attorney general. >> the prosecutor already showed his hand, i think. he could have simply just -- he could have bypassed the grand jury altogether. danny was already eluding to this. the fact he's going with a grand jury, in my mind --

>> in charlotte, they immediately arrested the officer and here, there's been no arrest. >> the district attorney in this case is doing something that rarely happens. he is presenting the defense case. he is allowing this officer to testify. he's already told us he's going to let the grand jury hear all of the evidence. that does not usually happen in a grand jury setting. it's usually the prosecutor's show. they're going to put on their best evidence and try to drive a convicti conviction, and that is not what's happening here. now, don, back to your original question. i think race matters a lot. what's different from a grand jury and a trial jury is you have no right to an unbias grand jury. these people could have walked in there already with preconceived notions about what happened in this case, and they'll sit on the grand jury. you can't excuse them. i think it makes a difference who is on there. >> nor is there release of the video. >> we have to move on. thank you all.

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welcome back. we're live in ferguson. it has been nearly two weeks since michael brown was killed. you've heard plenty about the protests, the violence and the investigation. you haven't heard as much about the people who will be most affected by what's happening here, and that is ferguson's young people. what are they seeing and how are they coping with this tragedy? >> i'm 8 years old. >> i'm 9 years old. >> reporter: these are ferguson's children. >> when it first started, i did hear a couple gunshots and a lot of helicopters. >> i can't deal with it. they need to stop doing that. >> i'm mostly mad about all of this. it's just plain wrong to let this happen. >> reporter: children caught in chaos. an 8-year-old just wants to go back to school.

what's happening in ferguson scares him, else psspecially at. >> i'm scared they're going to come into our house and try to get us. the looters and all them people. >> try to grab somebody really. >> at night, i try to comfort him. >> reporter: their mothers have been protesting. the kids join during the day. >> i'm standing up for what i think is right. >> we've tried to explain to irene that cops are people, too. they're good people and there are bad people. he wants to know why we can't go back to school and why everybody is breaking into the stores and why is the street always blocked off at nighttime? >> reporter: they don't have all the answers. >> he already knows a cop shot a kid, but he wants to know why. i can't really explain to him why because i don't know why either. >> i just don't understand why police officers feel like they have to use their gun. they have tasers and batons and

mace. >> reporter: you can keep your children away from the violence and the rye liots but images li this are hard to protect them from. >> my 9-year-old son was watching the news with me one night, and we saw the tear gas and the police officers. he said to me, i bet that the kids in ferguson never want to go outside anymore. >> reporter: st. louis post dispatch columnist has been focusing on the children of ferguson throughout her coverage. some 4,700 are 14 or younger. >> the individuals what are the most powerless are the children there. i think the adults have a greater responsibility to hear what the kids in this community are saying and what they're feeling. >> reporter: a child psychiatrist says listening to children means everything. >> we always say, how do we talk to children about what's happened?

the actual task is to listen to children. you can't make the blanket statements of, everyone is safe. that isn't their reality. there are people that they are worried about that, that they saw as maybe invincible before and now they're not sure. >> reporter: david leonard knows what it's like to live through riots as a child. >> my name is david leonard, and i was 14 years old during the l.a. riots. >> reporter: he documented them in this film. >> my dad heard the verdict and he decided to pick me up from school. he knew that he was taking me to be a part of history. >> reporter: he's a journalist now, he says because of what he saw. >> it wasn't just living through the riots. it was living through seeing rodney king beaten by the lapd over and over. i felt there was an injustice. i also felt like it was wrong to burn and loot places. i also felt like the system had

failed. it really affected me in the notion that the world can erupt in any -- at any point. >> reporter: as leonard and the world watch ferguson, the children here are just beginning to sort through what this all means to them. >> i've learned the lesson that i shouldn't come outside where he got shot at. i'm not walking down the street where the police are. >> i've learned that violence should definitely always be the last resort. [ gunshoted es ] >> i want people to know ferguson isn't a bad place. it's a really nice place. >> reporter: there's no doubt though these children have been left a little less innocent. cnn. thank you very much for that. schools here are expected to reopen on monday. teachers are getting crisis management training to help

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welcome back. we're live on the streets of ferguson two weeks after the shooting death of michael brown. this community is trying to put itself back together now. here with me is the first african-american superintendent in the ferguson school district. dr. mccoy, you were the first black superintendent here. you left amid controversy. i'm curious, how should teachers address what happened here to their students? they're going to be going back to classes toen monda es on mon. >> teachers need empathy to understand, seek first to understand and listen, but also to consult. then extend a hand to the community and let the students say what they've been doing and what they need to be successful. >> i met with kids today at the library. it was peaceful and they were set up there. the accidental school, as they

like to call it. they don't really understand the nuance of this. all the kids say is, you know, no one should kill him because he needs to go home to his mom and dad. that's a truthful statement. >> it is. it is. i'm reminded in the scripture of the bible, you must be like a child to enter the kingdom. they have a precious heart and their heart is innocent, and they understand that life is precious and all life should be respected. >> do you worry that kids here because of this will have less trust, say, and less respect for law enforcement? >> i think it's always an effort to have individuals have trust with law enforcement if law enforcement is not present and in a positive serving manner. it's all about relationship. so relationship is key. children need to see and have great relationships with cops. >> we talked a lot about the police force being predominantly white in ferguson, and the citizens are largely african-american.

what is the situation in the schools? >> right now, students are varying in needs, and there's a greater amount of students who has learning needs. there are needs for resources, job training programs, internships, as well as extra academic programs and intermurals. there is a need to lend a hand and extra resources. >> it'll be interesting the first day of school. it was supposed to be a week ago, right? >> a week ago. >> the first day of school will be on the day that michael brown's funeral is happening. what do you think that -- how do you think that is going to happen? >> definitely needs to be a day that remembers the life and honors all life and is respectful of life and the loss of one's life, else -- especially those here. we have counselors and people on stand by, and everybody needs to voice their opinion and be

received in a warm way. >> kids rely on schools to have discipline, have a schedule and they also eat there, they get meals there. >> right. >> who is feeding the kids now? i know the volunteers, many people are bringing food to this, but who is looking out for the kids? >> right now the community is wrapping their arms around feeding and giving love to the students and adults. i brought food yesterday, along with urban league and others who have come out. the school is providing food to the library in ferguson. there is an effort to have helping hands and hearts reaching out. it's not enough. that's just reaching a small amount. we are going door to door in some instances to say, how can we help you and serve you? what can you tell us what can be of benefit for moving forward in a positive way? >> the kids, i mean, you would think if you're watching from home, the kids would be -- all of them would be dragged into this, and they are in a way. they know what's going on.

they were just there, and they wanted to be kids. i was mr. don, and they were jumping all over me. it was good to see they are being kids. >> yes. >> and people are taking care of them. some said, i want to go home with you. that'd be great, but probably after three or four hours, i'd want to send them back to their parents. it's good to see they're being kids here. >> a sense of normalcy is needed. a courageous conversation also when the topic comes up is needed. we need to understand that children are citizens today and we have to keep them productive and enlighten them of where we are in society and where we need to go. they are sa they are part of the solution. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. we will be right back.

welcome back to our live coverage here in ferguson, missouri. it has been one hell of a week here in ferguson. getting jostled by police, getting tear gassed, seeing protesters be arrested. it has been unbelievable to watch, but the highlight of my week has clearly been with those children at the peace school today. it was nice to see them just being kids and that there is hope here in this community. all they wanted to do was play

and color in their coloring books and ask me hard math questions that i couldn't even answer. so it was amazing to see that there is something positive going on here in the community. that's it for me. thank you for watching. i'll see you back here on monday night. stay with our coverage right now all weekend. natalie allen picks up coverage from now. >> don, thank you. hello to viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm natalee allen. you're watching cnn. dozens of people massacred at a mosque in iraq, shiite militia men are suspected. that has big political implications. also ahead, ukraine calls it a direct invasion, a russian convoy crosses the border, but there's a debate about what those trucks are meant to do. also, we now know who will make a key decision about the fate of the police officer who shot an unarmed teenager in ferguson, missouri. our cnn team i