great to be you guys again. >> good morning. >> and, of course, chris and kate have the day off. >> nice for them. >> up first this morning, the fight against isis hits home. an american douglas mccain has been killed fighting in syria for isis. his death comes as the united states considers options for slowing the isis threat in syria, and it raises fresh concerns about the reach of isis which is trying to recruit from around the world. cnn white house correspondent michelle kosinski has the very latest for us this morning. good morning, michelle. >> reporter: hi, john. right. the obama administration has authorized surveillance flights over syria and looks into what options might be available leading up to potentially air strikes. now we see that the reach of this barbaric terrorist group isis has affected the u.s. in more ways than one with this american citizen who grew up in minnesota now killed fighting with isis inside syria. his name was douglas mccain

killed last weekend in the outskirts of aleppo, syria. u.s. officials confirm the 33-year-old was fighting for isis. battling other groups who are all battling the assad regime. mccain's devastated family told cnn he converted to islam years ago and eventually traveled to what they thought was turkey. they communicated with him over facebook only days ago and say they had no idea the father and one-time san diego-area restaurant work we are a history of minor arests and citations had devoted his life to violent jihad. >> that's not who he was. for him to be in syria fighting for a terrorist group, that doesn't make sense. my mom and my dad and our family, we're like -- we don't understand it. >> reporter: u.s. believes more

than 100 americans have traveled to syria to take up arms. >> you've never won! >> reporter: earlier this year this 22-year-old florida man became the first american to carry out a suicide bombing in syria. >> you have citizens that are getting radicalized, going over there and then there's a real concern that they could take what they have learned and come back home and conduct terror attacks. >> reporter: president obama has been meeting with his national security team to determine what is next and if air strikes, which are sounding increasingly certain, and what role will congress play in authorizing them. under legal justification? >> america does not forget. our reach is long. we are patient. justice will be done. we have proved time and time again we will do what's necessary to capture those who harm americans. >> reporter: the u.s. has made it clear that they will be working with international partners moving forward, not only with countries like britain

and france, but obviously regional partners are extremely important at this point, and also we know that this issue of foreign fighters has been worrisome to other countries as well. the london mayor called for anyone going to iraq or syria from their country to be considered guilty instead of innocent of terrorism on their return and for anyone known to be fighting over there to be stripped of their british citizenship. john? >> certainly raises questions in britain and raises questions and concerns here at home. michelle kosinski, thanks so much alisyn. >> for more on douglas mccain's background and how an american becomes radicalized let's bring in former cia case officer patrick skinner and national analyst julianne kayyem with homeland security under president obama. good morning. >> good morning. >> patrick, let me start with

you. seems like no one in his family or around him knew this was happening with douglas mccain. you heard michelle kosinski's peace. he's described as always smiling. he was a joker in high school. he was not an isolated guy. he was not a simmering caldron of resentment. so how does someone like this become radicalized? >> that's almost a textbook definition. after all these cases you hear the families express shock, and they are always say he's the last person because these people are quite adept at hiding, disaffected to begin with, clearly something wrong, kind of removed -- they are only fringes of society, not hard core criminals but not mainstream and it's actually a typical recruitment. the person needs to belong, so in my experience the need to belong to something, something bigger than yourself, is almost always the paramount driver. >> you heard michelle there, he had this long list of very minor infractions with the law,

providing a fake i.d., driving on a revoked license, disorderly conduct. so as patrick says he was wayward in some way, but none of those were really red flags. what would authorities have done to spot him before he went off to the middle east? >> that's a great point in the sense that it's important to remember that authorities had spotted him before, so it's clear that they are tracking internet behavior, what is being said and done on the internet, but most importantly his travel. it's the travel that would have triggered a review of mccain's conduct, of where he was going and who he might have affiliated with. but, look, in most instances it's not like there is a t-shirt that says i'm about to be radicalized. as patrick said, this is a process of a disaffected and maybe sociopathic, people looking to belong. they find it on the internet or through the organizations that

are promising something bigger than who they are sitting in a room in california or illinois or wherever, and that is the challenge. that's what makes it so difficult to stop these kind of recruits because they could be anywhere. but the good news is that -- >> you talk about -- >> go ahead, the good news? >> the good news is through surveillance and as importantly the travel that mccain was under surveillance, and he was known to authorities suggesting that there is probably a wide net going on right now for who might join isis. >> he had been flagged. you talk about his internet activities. on april 3rd mccain re-tweeted the english translation of a speech given by the spokesman of isis. obviously that is a red flag, so, patrick, at that point what should authorities have done? should they not have allowed him to get on a plane heading towards the middle east? >> well, i mean, there's still a first amendment protection. you haven't broken any laws but

clearly he'll be put on a watch list. you can't detain him because he hasn't done anything wrong yet unless you start changing the laws. authorities are pretty good at linking analysis and bemay havior analysis. amazon.com does the same thing. people who buy this also like that and they are usually pretty correct. the u.s. government is doing the same thing. people who tweet this or people who follow this and then travel like this are probably "x" so it's an effective thing but it's not foolproof. >> juliet, can i ask -- please, i know you want to add to that. >> i want to pick up on what a trick said. these are not sophisticated guys. when you think about al qaeda 2000, 2001, these are men who wanted to stay under the radar. they are not tweeting or whatever was happening in that day and age. they were not exposing themselves to authorities, and so, you know, mccain may be bad in the sense he wanted to join something bigger, but he's clearly not sophisticated

because he's getting the attention of authorities, exactly what you don't want to do, if you're a sophisticated criminal or terrorist and want to plan attacks. >> patrick, does it surprise you that douglas was using douglas mccain, it appears, as a foot soldier in syria rather than say packing his shoes with explosives and sending him back home on his u.s. passport here? >> no, not so much. there's been other americans that have died, not fighting for isis but fighting for similar extremist groups, and the notion that they are going to bring them back, that is a concern, but if they have american fighters, and particularly if they don't have a lot of skills or if they are not as savvy and can't fly under the radar they are going to use them like fighters as anybody else. they have a complete disregard for life. so would they value an american passport, sure, but if the person carrying for it doesn't really advance their goals, they will use them on the front lines. >> shouldn't that comfort us that they are not a direct threat to the u.s. if they are

just using americans to fight over there? >> and it may depend on who the american is, but i think this is right in mccain's case. look, mccain shows up. we don't know how he got affiliated. he's not trained. he's clearly not sophisticated. he don't know his mental background so for isis, yeah, he's a foot soldier so that should be comforting, and no one should think that there are hundreds of thousands of americans joining isis. these are -- there are more than zero, but these are cases like to be followed because, at least if you're an american and you leave and are missing for periods of time and go to places like iraq and syria, you are on lists when you return, so it's not -- it's not easy to take advantage of someone like mccain. >> yeah. it's a good sign that authorities were looking for him and they did have him on some sort of list. thanks so much for the expertise. great to talk to you. >> you're welcome. >> let's go back to john.

>> breaking overnight, peter theo curtis is still back in the united states after being held captive by islamic militants in syria. looking at a picture right now as curtis was reunited with his mother nancy in boston. look at the relief there. she says she was overwhelmed with relief that she now has her son back, but she's conflicted given the recent beheading of american james foley and because other hostages still are in danger. more developments live now from boston. good morning, miguel. >> reporter: good morning there, john. i think it's fair to say that it is joy in cambridge right outside of boston here today, that picture at logan international airport taken last night, his mother and son embraced, and that smile on her face says it's all. she is beaming at her son and peter curtis or theo, as hi family calls him, almost looks embarrassed, kind of looking down a little bit, but looks a heck of a lot better than he did

when he was in captivity, shaggy and unshowered. the pictures released where it clearly shows he's had a shower and a change of clothes and most specifically had a shave as well so he seems to be in very good shape after 22 months in captivity by al nusra front, al qaeda-affiliated group. he did release a short statement as well saying in part i've been so touched and moved beyond all words, when people have come up to me today, strangers on the airplanes, the flight attendants, and most of all the families to say welcome home. i'm deeply indebted to the u.s. officials who worked on my case and want to thank the government of qatar for intervening on my behalf. the qataris said they did not pay ransom for his release. this is a bitter sweet day, for as thrilled as they are to become back home, became very good friends with the foley family as they were all trying to get their sons released.

the first call that mrs. curtis made when she found out her son was freed was to mrs. follow toe let her know what was going on. that must have been a very difficult call to make, and right now we know that he is back with his family home just a few blocks from here. we know his mom is a very good cook, can cook whatever he wants and he'll probably get in a good long bike ride at some point because he loves road biking. >> happy for him and his family, and his mother nancy curtis seems like a remarkable woman. the relief in that picture in, that family, just unbelievable. >> it's rare to have a happy ending to these stories so it's very nice when we can broadcast one. >> happy for that family. >> and the simple things that he wants, a home-cooked meal and a long raid on his bike. >> let's go to michaela for the other headlines. 12 minutes past the hour. an open-ended cease-fire sunday way now and holding between israel and hamas. the egyptian mediators brokered the deal to halt fighting while both sides continue ongoing

peace talks in cairo. the agreement reopens border crossings and expands gaza's fishing zone. more than 2,000 people have been killed since fighting began some seven weeks ago. the leaders of russia and ukraine meeting face-to-face. both agree there needs to be a cease-fire in eastern ukraine but russian president vladimir putin says the ukrainian government must work that out with pro-russian separatists. this meeting came after ukraine released this video of russian soldiers who were captured after officials say they closed the border. russian media said they likely crossed the border by accident. surprising and scathing results in a report from the veterans affairs inspector general. more than 3,400 cases from its phoenix facilities were examined in this report and it found no deaths can conclusively be linked to scheduling problems that rocked the agency. the report says 28 veterans were harmed by delays getting care. six of them eventually died. 24 recommendations were made for

improvements. the v.a. secretary says he agrees with all of those recommendations and, of course, cnn first reported those problems of medical care at a v.a. hospital in phoenix. two high-profile gubernatorial races are now set in florida. cnn projects former republican governor charlie crist easily won the democratic nomination. he will face off against incumbent governor rick scott in november, and in arizona state treasurer and former colestone creamery ceo doug ducey won republican primary for governor and, of course, we'll be watching it all. >> thank you for that. >> just a specific group would not be for his platform. >> politics is so complicated. >> just breaking it down, man. >> meanwhile, protests resume in peaceful fashion in ferguson,

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just 24 hours after michael brown was laid to rest protesters went back to the street, this time with limited police presence and a more peaceful atmosphere. the demonstrations come on the heels of a new audio recording allegedly of the shooting. that tape is now in the hands of the fbi which is attempting to validate is. cnn's sara sydner is live in ferguson with more. what's the latest? >> reporter: alisyn, as that potential new evidence surfaces many here are struggling to figure out what what they can do next to create positive and concrete change after two weeks of protesting after the death of michael brown at the hands of a police officer. supporters wanting justice for

michael brown hit the streets once again. at the federal courthouse some protesters making their way through police, demanding that the federal authorities look into potential human rights violations, this as new potential evidence surfaces. the fbi is currently dissecting a series of gunshots caught on tape during an online video chat. cnn hasn't been able to confirm its authenticity but audio experts say it's six shots and then a three-second pause followed by four more shots. >> it doesn't really contradict or fit in to any of the narratives created so far. >> listen to what witnesses told cnn, his friend darian johnson suggesting wilson was shooting and then brown turned and the officer fighted again.

>> i see the officer shoot after mike was retreating. he turned around with his hands up beginning to tell the officer that he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting but at that time the officer was firing several more shots into my friend, and he hit the ground and died. >> another recorded the scene from this angle. >> michael then turned around and like almost in awe, like he had just gotten shot that many times so he looked down and tried to put his arms up, and once he put his arms up the police shot his face and his chest and he went down. >> listen again to the shots recorded. >> you are pretty. [ gunshots ] >> you're so fine. just going over some of your video. how can i forget? >> reporter: only account from officer wilson himself comes from a friend who calls herself josey who called into a radio

station. police confirm to cnn her account is similar to what wilson has reported. >> he stands up and yells freeze. michael and his friend turn around, and michael was taunting him. oh, what are you going to do about it? you know, you're not going to shoot me and he said all of a sudden he just started to bum rush him, he started coming at him full speed, and so he just started shooting, and he just kept coming. it was unbelievable, and then so he finally ended up -- the final shot was in the forehead. >> if there was a confrontation then the last four shots may have been justified. if there wasn't, if mike brown says i surrender and i'm sorry and he shoots him, that's an execution. >> we have yet to hear a full official account by police. we do know a grand jury has been brought together but we're hearing from the prosecuting attorney who says that all the evidence has to be presented and it could be until mid-october before we hear a decision by that grand jury on whether or

not it will indict officer wilson. the community here is watching and waiting for that day alisyn. >> mid-october, that's a long time. sara sydner, thanks so much for the update. >> reporter:. >> let us know what you think. go to facebook.com/newday. u.s. gathering intelligence on isis in syria. is this a lead up to more action on the mill tabts? the former u.s. ambassador to syria joins us. >> and an unsettling number of close calls involving planes, a sentence you never want to hear. so what's behind the spike? t stl crumble, be from... fiber one. new fiber one streusel. yep. but it's not just a tablet, it's really a laptop. it's a surface pro 3, with a touchscreen.

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welcome back to "new day." here's a look at your headlines. an american has been killed fighting for isis in syria. the state department says this young man, douglas mccain, was killed in a fight with a rival militant group. the u.s. believes more than 100 americans have joined militant groups in syria. this was an american held nearly two years by militants in syria is back on u.s. soil. theo peter curtis was reunited with his family in boston. police in israel are looking for clues after a new jersey man disappeared while hiking in jerusalem or near jerusalem. he was last seen friday by a friend in a forest just outside

of jerusalem. a police spokesman says it's unclear if the disappearance was accidental other if it was suspicious. this young man is 23 years old. he had gone to israel to study. his parents are now in israel to monitor that search for him. the white house is making a new environmental push to curb climate change. according to the "new york times" the obama administration is pursuing a major international climate agreement without help from congress. the agreement is to compel nations to cut their carbon pollution. white house negotiators hope to have the accord signed at a u.n. summit meeting next year. the deal is likely to face pushback from republicans. a 15-year-old tennis phenom breaking through in a big way at the u.s. open. the american upset the 12th seed in the first round. after the three-set nail-biter

bela was in shock. how much of an upset, she's ranked 1,008th in the draw. >> such an upset that espn did not have a camera at court. can you tell right there they had to rush a cell phone camera there to film, a really good match going on. >> that's great. >> still seeded. >> we love the upsets. >> she's 15, making us all feel inadequate. thank you. troubling new information about air safety this morning, a new report from the federal aviation administration say the number of close calls between planes nearly doubled in 2013. this report says that while the overall number of near misses has gone up, there have been fewer of the closest calls which the faa classifies as high-risk incidents. cnn's renee marsh has more on the crowded skies. >> a near mid-air collision in april over newark, a united

airlines 7:37 landing with 160 passengers comes within 150 yards of a united express regional jet preparing to take off. >> yeah, it was real close. >> reporter: it's the fourth time this year a near collision has made headlines. cnn has learned the number of close calls nearly doubled in 2013 over the previous year. a closer look at the faa's newly released stats show 38 were considered high risk. that's actually three fewer than the previous year, but the number of medium and low dark risk incidents soared, and in 2014 there have been other close calls. april 25th, the united flight cruising at 34,000 feet over the pacific gets too close to a u.s. airways plane. passengers say the aircraft plunged to avoid disaster. may 9th in houston, two united airlines flights come less than

a mile of each other when a controller gives one pilot the wrong instructions, the mistake quickly corrected. >> stop your crime and stop your turn, united 601. >> reporter: may 10 in newark two jetblue planes come within a mile of another as one takes off and the other prepares to land. all of those close calls are what the faa calls loss of separation and usually comes down to pilot or controller error. >> any time there is a loss of separation we are concerned about it because it's not supposed to occur. >> reporter: the faa attributes the spike to its voluntary safety reporting system which allows employees to submit safety incidents confidentially. the faa says that's led to increased reporting, so it's not known if the actual number of incidents have gone up. we may marsh, cnn, washington. >> you know, i'm always curious what people do with information like this, you know, these

reports of near misses going up. does it make you change how much you travel? i want to know what you think. check in with us at our facebook page. that is facebook.com/newday. >> i think i'm uncomfortable, that's what i think with those reports. >> makes you feel bad, but you keep on flying. >> that's how he wants you to communicate with him, go to facebo facebook. >> i won't speak to him. >> let's go over to meteorologist indra petersons who is keeping an eye on hurricane cristobal. >> there's hurricane marie out there that was a category 5. waves were so big out there, they actually had to close the pier. look at the 10 to 15-foot waves, reports already of a fatality as a surfer was battling some of the strong rip currents in the water. keep in mind this is kind of rare, take a look at the coastline. you can see both coasts have hurricanes and just ahead of labor day weekend and one of the things people don't realize is even though you are looking at them making their way away from

the coastline look at all the moisture going into the southwest so there's still the threat for some flooding miles away from the actual hurricane itself. cristobal is out there itself strengthening to a category 1 hurricane. expect it to pass through cape hatteras and bermuda going right in between there. category 1 and then weakening eventually as it passes way offshore. that's the good news there so the high rip current on both coast lines and high surf on both coast lines, again, as many people are headed to the beach. looking at severe weather around omaha. still scattered showers around the northeast and as you go towards labor day weekend keep in mind places seeing temperatures near 90 are going to be dropping like 20 degrees as we go towards labor day weekend thanks to some cooler air moving in. 70 by friday. >> will probably blame canada looking at that map. >> if the shoe fits. figuring out how to best take on isis.

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welcome back to "new day," everyone, president obama reviewing options for tackling the isis threat including possible air strikes inside syria. now, cnn has learned that drones are flying near the syrian border right now to gather information on the militant group. the state department says this doesn't mean that the president will work with syrian leader bashar al assad and there is no plan, they say, right now to share intelligence. a former u.s. ambassador to syria joins us. ambassador, thank you so much for being with us. let's talk about air strikes. how much do you think they could achieve against isis, and what

are the limitations of air strikes? >> well, i think it's very important that the president does at some point soon launch air strikes. when you have your secretary of defense saying that this is perhaps the biggest terrorist threat out there and the chairman of the joint chiefs saying we can't deal with them effectively unless we hit them in syria. it doesn't leave the president a lot of options. on the other hand, as you suggest, air power alone is hardly going to eliminate the isis threat. we need to work with forces on the ground that share our enmity for isis. >> who are they because i don't think you are talking about u.s. boots on the ground so who are these ground troops that you say we need to help our interests in syria? >> well, there are quite a few actually. we have the kurds in northern iraq, often -- their force is often called the peshmerga have been battling isis and have kept

it out with our help of their areas and have now pushed it out of the critical mosul -- the critical dam on the tigris just north of mosul and also the iraqi army which performed very badly initially is regrouping along with shiia militias, and then in syria you have the free syrian army and, as you mentioned, you have the regime of bashar al assad. >> the regime of bashar al assad, reminded by richard hass that winston churchill said if hitler invaded hell i'd say nice things about the devil. are you suggesting some kind of tacit agreement between the united states and syria right now and the regime of bashar al assad? >> i think tacit agreement is the right word. we're not going to embrace or coordinate with him, but, on the other hand, we could pass word, look, don't even think about hitting our planes over syria, and in the meantime assad could

see what damage we're doing and maybe on his own launch some of his planes against other isis sites. >> what do you think he does, by the way, if the united states flies planes over the border, sends armed drones over the border and starts shooting inside syria, albeit at isis militants? do you think bashar al assad would welcome that? do you think he would try to get in the way of it and that his anti-aircraft operations would go after them? >> i think the u.s. air force and knave have the means to blind his radars and to take out any air defense units that might challenge us so i think bash yar will likely if he does anything fire a symbolic anti-aircraft missile after our planes have exited the area, but i wouldn't expect more than that. >> this is going to be a hard pill to swallow, even this tacit arrangement, even the unspoken boundaries that you're talking about right now between the

united states and syria. it was just a year ago that we were talking here on this show and other shows about the idea that the u.s. was going to bomb bashar al assad in his regime. does this action against isis, this possible action help a regime that the united states has been battling against and has been killing its own people for years and years? >> yeah. >> it's the belief of many analysts, including myself, that bashar al assad wanted the worst sort of islamist group to emerge ascendant in opposing him, and he got his wish, but there's also a saying be careful what you wish for because isis now has overrun three syrian bases out in eastern syria, and he has to be very concerned with their military abilities. there's also another saying that we need to heed which is the devil you know for the devil you don't. assad is the devil we know. he's a mafia-like regime.

can you make a deal with the mafia, and they will usually keep it, as long as it's in their interest. you can't make a deal with religious fanatics. >> that's a new phrase, a whole lot of devils in that sentence right there. so let's take this to its next step. what if the u.s. does take action against isis in syria? what if that action is successful? what then happens, you know, two, three, four, six months from now, the regime of bashar al assad is still in power. how does the united states fix that situation? >> look, bashar al assad, unless he's assassinated, isn't going anywhere, nor is his regime, and the fact is that the non-isis opposition doesn't have the ability to dislodge assad, and, yes, we can arm them and we can train them and do all of those things, but even president obama in an interview recently sounded halfhearted saying it's very hard to find true secular democrats or even moderate islamist democrats among the

opposition, so assad is going to be able to control a lot of the populated areas of syria with various opposition groups fighting it out for the rest. >> i've got to say this is a bleak assessment coming from you, a man who has come from that region and worked in syria for years and years. we'll hear from senator john mccain later in the show, and i'm sure he's going to say that arming the more moderate rebel groups inside syria would have given, you know, more of a chance of success against bashar al assad, would have created a situation where isis would not be on the rise, but you make it seem like these groups, these moderate anti-assad groups really are -- are foundering. >> they are foundering, and there aren't that many moderate groups. let's keep in mind that isis broke from al qaeda, and there's still an al qaeda affiliate in syria, the nusra front. if i were questioning john mccain, i would say, you know, senator, we had eight, nine years to train the iraqi army, and they fell apart on first

contact with isis. why do you think that arming a much less formidable syrian opposition and a much less organized syrian opposition is going to achieve different results? >> you raise excellent questions and provide great analysis and a little bit of politic here on "new day." thank you so much for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> next up for us on "new day," new audio obtained by cnn, possibly of the michael brown shooting, is being evaluated by the fbi. is this going to be a crucial piece of evidence that will get before that grand jury. we're going to ask a forensic scientist if the audio supports what eyewitnesses have been saying. losing your chex mix too easily? deploy the boring potato chip decoy bag. with a variety of tastes and textures, only chex mix has twenty bags of interesting. pick your mix.

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good morning, everyone. the fbi is analyzing the new audio from the moment police allegedly shot and killed michael brown. on the video chat behind the video chat you hear what sounds like gunshots, a pause and more gunshots. this was apparently reported inadvertently so if you can disregard the man talking and listen behind that. >> you are pretty. [ gunshots ] >> you're so fine. just going over some of your videos. how could i forget? [ gunshots ] >> and, again, we need to say

that cnn has not verified the tape's authenticity. want to bring in mo ivory radio host and and forensic scientist lawrence kobilinski. lawrence, since you're here with me, i'll start with you. the voracity and credibility to this tape. how much credibility do you give it? >> no doubt that the fbi is going to validate, it authenticate it, and they will have a time stamp of exactly when the shots were fired. they know where the recording device was located relative to the police officer. they know the surroundings, the environment, and when they put it through the analytical instrumentation they will be able to reduce any ambient noise and they will be able to enhance the gunshots, and, of course, the best way to do this is to test fire the same kind of gun with the same kind of ammunition from the same distance and record it. >> right. >> and then make a comparison.

>> how about you, mo? there are going to be say look, awfully convenient this comes out sort of several weeks after the fact. do you believe it's credible? >> i do actually, and i think i would have felt differently a couple of days ago, but after visiting ferguson and seeing the proximity of people's windows to the actual crime scene where michael brown was actually killed and laid in the street, it is so close, so i do believe that somebody could be on the phone and could have actually captured that in the background based on where the buildings are, so, of course, it has to be authenticated. >> sure. >> but i feel very confident that it will be, and that it will be a crucial piece of evidence. >> we mentioned that the fbi is looking into, it looking to verify itself. i want to add it as an overlay to the things that we have heard, the two differing accounts. lawrence, here we have the officer's account and then corroborated by josey, this caller into the radio show, that

there was a scuffle. brown reached for a gun, for the officer's gun, the officer fired, paused, brown charged and then the officer fired again, and then the eyewitness accounts, and there have been several, there was a scuffle. the officer fires, brown runs away, turns around, puts his hands up. the officer fires again. this audio tape that we vehave, this audio recording, how does it or does it fit in to either of those accounts? >> well, the audio recording answers some questions but leaves others behind. for example, we now know ten shots were fired, only six hit michael brown, and i would that shell casings they find at scene. >> in and around on the scene, but the question remains what does the three-second pause means? how do you interpret that? could it be interpreted in favor of the story that the police officer is telling or is it

interpreted better by eyewitnesses have said? eyewitnesses are notoriously -- >> not reliable. >> not reliable, and so the evidence has to back it up. in this case the pause can be explained by different stories, so, unfortunately, i'm not convinced that this pause will be a significant factor. i think it's important to note that there was a pause, but i don't know that it will cut either way. >> is there more information that could come to light that could explain the pause because lawrence brings up a good question, mo. you could put the pause to either scenario. >> sure. i mean, i think the important information that needs to come to light as it relates to the pause is actually what happened according to the officer? we keep saying that we know that the officer said. that's completely incorrect. the officer has said nothing. we don't have darren wilson's story. we don't even have a report from the ferguson police department about what darren wilson's story is. all we have is josey's story which we don't even know if it's

credible, a person calling into a radio station who says that they know what the officer said. that could never wash in a court of law, so what we have is one side of the story. we have eyewitnesses for one side of the story, so it's really hard to decide what the pause means when we don't have a story from the officer's perspective, from the ferguson police department to say, oh, well, this is what officer darren wilson says happened. we don't know what officer darren wilson says happened, so it will be only at that point when we have something from officer wilson that we can then begin to say, well, the pause matters or it's consistent with what he's saying. right now it's consistent with what all of the witnesses on michael brown's have said which is that he put his hands up, there was a pause and that officer wilson continued to fire. >> we know that the witnesses aren't always 100% reliable but mo brings up a good point. you know, we the media and the public want to sort of try this

and investigate this court in our sort of layman's way, but the feds have to look at it analytically. they have to get on scene which they have been, and their investigation is going to net much different results than what we're sort of throwing around and speculating on, so there are facts that we have yet to see. >> there's no doubt about it, mike clampt it's early in the scientific investigation. for example, was the gun shot in the vehicle? >> that's a very good point. >> gunshot residue analysis in the passenger compartment will tell us that question. there's a lot. >> so could officer wilson, he could come out today, today, and tell us what happened. he is the only other witness that can come and say firsthand what happened. >> but that's not unusual that the police are being tight-lipped. it's not unusual. >> no, mike clarks but it is unusual for there not to be a report. >> fair, fair. >> there's no report.

>> there's no report yet. >> yet. >> there will be a report, no question about it. >> two and a half weeks later? two and a half weeks later. >> some information should have come out early on, but, on the other hand, analytical investigation takes time and we have to do it right. we don't get a second chance at it. >> i agree. >> so we have to be patient. >> and let's end on this note is that michael brown sr., michael brown's father, has said they didn't want that to be rushed. they want the investigation to take its due course. mo ivory, lawrence, thank you so much for being here. lending your expertise legally and scientifically and analytically as well. john, over to you. >> thanks so much, michaela. we're following a lot of news this morning so let's get right to it. my name is peter theo curtis, i'm a journalist from the city of boston, massachusetts. >> finally back with his family in the united states after being held captive by islamic militants in syria. >> the fbi agents have been working with us, he called me

and said i'm standing on the gli golan heights with your son by my side. >> douglas mccain fighting as a jihadi in syria. >> seriously this is a threat we take seriously. >> flown over iraq near the border with syria. >> we'll do whatever is necessary to capture those who harm americans. >> allegedly contains the sounds of the gunshots that kill michael brown. >> it doesn't really contradict or fit into any of the narratives i think created so far. good morning, everyone. welcome back to nude yale. i'm alisyn camerota along with john berman. >> great to be here with you. >> great to be here with you. >> said it at the same time. >> jinx. great to be with you. a lot of news to get to, breaking new details this morning on the american who died fighting alongside isis extremists in syria. douglas mccain was killed during a battle between rival extremist groups. mccain converted to islam, we're told, ten years ago, and over

the course of that time became radicalize. he's one of dozens of americans believed to have joined militants in syria, so what made mccain join forces with isis? dan simon joins us with more. hi, dan. >> reporter: well, hi. good morning, alisyn. we're on the campus of san diego city college. we know that mccain at one point took some classes here seemingly trying to make something of his life. we know that he had lived in this city before heading overseas. we're told by a friend he regularly attended a mosque in the area, but just how and why he became radicalized at this point that's not known. douglas mcarthur mccain's family says they are devastated to learn the 33-year-old father was fighting with the terrorist group isis. >> it's crazy. i don't understand it. i don't even believe this. i'm in shock. like i don't even know how to feel. my cousin was not a terrorist. he is not a terrorist.

>> reporter: mccain had been living in san diego but grew up in new hope, minnesota, a suburb of minneapolis. they describe him as a good person with a big heart. >> he would have you laughing to tears. he was happy. he was smart, you know. he wasn't a radical, no. he wasn't hate-filled. he loved, loved, loved, even like if you don't love him back, he still love you, that's how he is. >> reporter: raised a christian, mccain converted to islam several years ago. his conversion did not alarm his family. rather, it was post on social media, increasingly sympathetic to isis and other radical islamist groups that got their attention. on a twitter account reported to be mccain's the bio reads it's islam over everything. he writes messages like i will be joining you guys soon, and i'm with the brothers now, and retweets posts like it takes a warrior to understand a warrior. pray for isis. u.s. counterterrorism investigators had been looking into mccain's activities for

some time. he was on a terror watch list of americans believed to have joined militant groups and would be stopped and questioned if he traveled. mccain had some past run-ins with the law between 2000 and 2008. he was arrested at least six times, all for minor offenses. isaac chase, who grew up with mccain, said he was a nice quiet kid who loved playing basketball. he says mccain was impressed that chase was serving with the air force in iraq and making something of his life and wanted to do the same. >> don't make no sense. the doug i know is a good person, and i wouldn't even think that he would ever do anything like that. >> reporter: several months ago mccain told family members he was traveling to turkey. what they did not know is from there he made his way into syria to isis strongholds to fight and die for their cause. and you can bet that american intelligence officials are looking into every aspect of mccain's life that will hopefully identify or lead them to other americans serving in

isis or sympathetic to its cause alisyn. >> yes, that would be very helpful. dan simon, thank you. it must be so confounding to his friends and family who thought that they knew him. >> of course, the issues, how was he recruited and who recruited whom? president obama weighing his options on countering the growing isis threats in syria. drones already flying near the syrian border to gather intelligence, and cnn has learned the united states is trying to keep up with terrorists using satellite images and realtime imagery in a possible lead up to air strikes. pentagon correspondent barbara starr has more now on how the u.s. is waging this battle already in some ways against isis. good morning, barbara. >> reporter: indeed. good morning, john. no decision by the white house yet for air strikes, we are told, but there is an awful lot of preparation going on. we know that from officials that the u.s. is looking at targets deep in eastern syria along the iraqi border. what they are looking for are isis positions, troops, training

camps, weapons, convoys and anything that they could decide to hit that would stop isis in its tracks, stop it from being an army essentially on the move, much more than a terrorist organization right now. if they go after targets in eastern syria, one of the advantages may be syrian air defenses along that border are less robust than they are in central syria. they can get in and out very quickly. what might they use? officials tell us maybe the aircraft of choice could be the b-1 bomber t.flies very high and drops multiple loads of precision weapons in one pass, so, again, you get in, get out very quickly. you hit the maximum number of targets while you're over enemy territory, but, still, no decision by the white house. if it proceeds, we're told the goal, again, is to stop isis' momentum. nobody at the pentagon thinks air strikes are going to defeat isis, but they do want to at least start by slowing them

down. john? >> very interesting details there. barbara starr at the pentagon, thanks so much alisyn? >> what can the u.s. do to stop isis. let's bring in ileana ros-lehtinen of florida, good morning, congresswoman. >> good morning, thanks so much. >> thanks for being here. >> we understand president obama is weighing his options as to how to tackle isis. what do you want to see the u.s. do? >> well, i think that we lost a real opportunity several years ago when the people in syria were rising up, demanding freedom. the president then just a little while ago said we're going to do air strikes and laid out the -- the course of action and then many of us in congress said yes, we're with you. he said i'm going to come to coming, seek authorization and then he pulled the rug from under us and said, no, we don't have support so i'm not going to get authorization. now this situation has spiraled out of control. we have isil taking over large

chunks of syria and into iraq, and if we're successful with helping the kurds, arming them so that they can get rid of isil little good will do if they just find sanctuary in syria so this has morphed into a real cancer all over that area so we've got to continue with our -- with our air strikes in iraq, help the kurds but also i think that he must come to congress, get authorization to go into air strikes in syria as well. you can't just do like whack a mole, whack them here. they will come out somewhere else. >> aren't air strikes whack a mole? aren't air strikes in syria, many of our military analysts say that actually won't do the trick. you have to have people on the ground. >> no, for sure, air strikes, limited air strikes, which is all that the president seems to be aiming for in syria is not going to defeat isil, but what we don't want to do is -- is to

have the kurds do the fighting in iraq, defeat isil or bring them back or get them out of there and have them pop up in syria and yet we do nothing there. now we've got to get our coalition forces. we already see that they were helping us, not the biggest air force and not the biggest army folks, but we have countries that are willing to help us. we're not in this alone, and i know that that sounds, oh, my gosh, it sounds like iraq all over again, but let's look at what we're dealing with. this is a group that's barbaric, that's not going to stop at just getting a dam here and maybe lose it tomorrow. >> of course. >> they are going to keep on going. it's a threat to our interests. >> so to be clear -- >> so the president needs to lay out what his analysis is. >> to be clear, what would you like to see is more air strikes in syria, which i believe the president is considering, but you are not willing to go so far as to say that there should be

forces on the ground? >> no, and i think that the president has -- has said that time and time again, that there won't be boots on the ground in iraq, and when we were considering air strikes in syria a while ago he also said no boots on the ground. we have superior technology that we can share with our allies and we have fighters who can do the job of at least containing this threat and not having it spread over to jordan, to spread over to lebanon. i think we missed a great opportunity. we can't look back. we can only look back to the future. >> i'm sorry to interrupt, we just had on the former u.s. ambassador to syria on, and he said that that notion that had we armed the syrian rebels that this wouldn't be happening, he says that's a fallacy and the reason he said that is because we spent eight or nine years arming and training the iraqi army and they fell apart at first confrontation with isis so he said what makes us think that

some ragtag band of rebels, had we armed them, that they wouldn't have fallen apart at the first sight of isis. what's your response? >> well, i think arming rebels in syria which is different than arming the kurds in iraq, that -- that train left the station years ago when folks like john mccain, they were saying arm the rebels, congressman elliot angle was saying that and now it's too difficult to arm those groups because it's too hard to know who the good guys are and these strikes and arming them may work in favor of assad. this has been turned around in such a malicious way so what i favor is continuing the air strikes in iraq, continuing to arm the kurds, do what we can to get allies involved and doing what we said we were going to do, do those air strikes in syria, have the president come to congress and get authorization and see if we can

contain this threat and then demolish this group, but we've got to try, but he needs to lay out what his scenario is. what is his strategy for this threat, and he has not laid that out. we don't know if it's to contain them in iraq? is it to defeat them or remove assad from power? i don't know what his vision is, and he needs to lay that out to the american people. >> here's what the foreign minister of syria has said about potential air strikes in syria. he released this statement on monday. any breach of syrian sovereignty by any side constitutes an act of aggression. so are you saying, congresswoman, that if we could not get their approval, if we could not slab rate somehow with the syrians, that we should do air strikes in their country anyway? >> well, i don't think that we should collaborate. i don't think that we should consult. i don't think that we should seek the permission of assad. i don't think that he's going to do those belligerent acts, as he

says that he's going to do. you know, isis is a problem for assad himself and this is a very muddled tricky situation that we let get out of control by ignoring the threat. we wanted to say, hey, everything is fine. this has been a success, just like we did in libya and then we had so many problems there. they are still ongoing, so for assad the objectives should not be removing him from power, but it's certainly -- we certainly cannot be consulting with him and asking him for permission. our goal is securing u.s. national security interests, and president obama has to lay the case out to the american people about why this is an important fight and why we should share intelligence with our allies and partners who can defeat this enemy. >> congresswoman, thanks so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> let's go back to john. >> thanks, alisyn. a new cease-fire is holding between israel and hamas this morning. the two sides have agreed to an

open-ended cease-fire. egyptian mediators brokered the deal to halt fighting while both sides prepare for a new round of peace talks in cairo. ben wedeman in jerusalem with the latest. how is it being received right now, ben? >> reporter: well, john, we're 19 hours and 10 minutes into this cease-fire, and it does seem to be holding. as you mentioned, the next step, of course, is now for an israeli delegation to travel to cairo. we don't know exactly when where through egyptian intermediaries they will try to work out some sort of more lasting peace with hamas. now we saw last night hamas and the residents of gaza celebrating what they consider a victory having survived this 50 days of fighting with israel. on the israeli side, a much more muted reaction to the cease-fire. there were no celebrations in israeli towns and cities. we haven't heard any statement, any spoken word from israeli

prime minister benjamin netanyahu on this cease-fire. as a matter of fact, he didn't even put it to a vote in his cabinet because we know that there are members of his cabinet who were opposed to a cease-fire, but to add to all of this, the problems with gaza, we now have news that there's several stray rounds that have been fired from syria into israel. one israeli colonel, officer was wounded in that incident. the israelis fired back so there may be quiet in the south, but it could be getting noisy in the north. >> tumultuous times. >> ben wedeman for us in jerusalem. thanks so much. >> michaela. >> a quick look at your headlines beginning with breaking news. ukrainian officials say russian soldiers are firing artillery over the border near donetsk. officials say russians and militants have seized villages in that reg op of the 13 ukrainian troops were reportedly killed. dozens more have been injured in just the last 24 hours. this after the leaders of russia

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protests and voices, talking with the shooting death of michael brown, they have resumed in missouri. demonstrations were held in ferguson and also in st. louis with marchers demanding justice. these come as cnn learns the fbi's evaluating that new audio recordings first obtained by cnn allegedly of the moment michael brown was shot and killed by police. now, this was apparently recorded unintentionally. you'll hear the voice of a man talking over what sound like gunshots. take a listen. >> you are pretty. [ gunshots ] >> you're so fine. just going over some of your videos. how could i forget? [ gunshots ] >> okay. cnn cannot independently verify

the authenticity of this tape. joining me right now is the attorney general for the brown family darryl parks. thank you so much for joining us. you've been making yourself available to us, and we really appreciate that. right off the bat, mr. parks, i think we have to get your gut check on this audio recording. what do you make of it? >> well, first of all, i obviously can't verify that that type was contemporaneously with the shooting that took place. however, if it is authenticated at some point, i think it adds an extra layer on to what we already know. however, we still believe that the four eyewitnesses that have come forward and there may be more are very, very encouraging and seem to be very assured of what they saw on that day. we also though encourage other witnesses who may have any type of evidence, for example, who knew that this audio tape would come up that would be a part -- possibly be a part of this case, so if there's other evidence out

there, we want those folks to also come forward with whatever they may have that could lend any more credence to what may have happened on this morning, on this day. >> the fbi is investigating the tape. they have it. they are looking to see if it is indeed credible. if it does, from your vantage point as an attorney for the family, how does it fit with the eyewitness accounts that we've been hearing. >> well, certainly the one issue -- there was a single shot in the car that dorian talks about. i don't know how that fits into this particular tape or not, but it also says there was clearly a series of shots and michael obviously hit, his body jolted and then he turned around to attempt to give up to the officer and tell the officer not to shoot and yet the officer continued to shoot despite it was obviously michael had been hit by the first set of bullets. it clearly says there's a real possibility that this officer had a chance not to kill this kid but chose to kill him

anyway. >> you feel that the pause was indicative of the state of mind that the officer was in, a choice he was making at that time? >> well, certainly it does. if you listen to the witnesses they all talk about the fact that he gave up, and went down and said you shot me, yet the officer continued to shoot him anyway despite him being down. i think one of the things that we clearly see from the autopsy is that you see that there's a clear chance that michael was in a sub position to the officer when the officer shot him from above, and that's very, very, very -- something that we have a serious concern about that he would be shot in the manner that he was, especially in his head, from a back-to-front position. >> your co-counsel, benjamin crump, obviously representing the family as well, re-tweeted a viewer response saying audio recording of shooting just

interesting, proves a lot. you two have obviously had a chance to discuss things. what do you feel it does prove then? >> well, certainly i think the pause is the important part here, michaela, that the fact that you have this pause in here clearly gives him a chance to -- to make decisions about what he wants to do. for how things happened here, that pause is very important and gave him ample opportunity to make decisions about whether or not he needed to take this child's life. we believe that he had no reason to take michael's life in that situation as the witnesses described the situation to us. >> the funeral and the home going was on monday. we saw yesterday there were peaceful demonstrations, people keeping the story very much alive, but we know the national media has largely sort of backed off from the story a little bit. the spotlight isn't shining so intensely on ferguson. how do you keep the intense

pressure on in terms of your pursuit of justice for the family of michael brown? >> well, we're on the ground. as you know, we have local counsel as well as our firm representing the michael brown family and we continue to push both the local authorities and the feds on their investigation to move forward. we have every reason to believe, especialpeespecially geffen the the department of justice, that we'll get justice in this case one way or another. >> and what are you hearing from all of those investigators? >> well, they don't tell you. they don't tell you where they are with their investigation, but i can tell you that given their track record, given the fact that the attorney general obviously has said that this is a priority investigation and they will lend the resources necessary to get to the bottom of it. they make no assurances about the number of witnesses they make talk, to the amount of evidence that they may, have but they do tell you that they are going to give it their best effort and this is a priority of

theirs to show that we can get to the bottom of whatever happened in this situation. >> you spoke moments ago about the potential for other witnesses coming forward. do you have reason to believe there are other witnesses that perhaps are hesitant to speak up or come forward or are fearing retribution? >> i think so. i mean, this weekend while we were on the ground in st. louis we had folks who walked up to us and said, hey, i have information. i haven't talked to the police yet and we encouraged them to go forward. we took their names and told them to go forward so we continue to -- to really advise people who may have some information to move forward and to talk to authorities. you know, i have heard through the news sources that the fbi, they have talked to 200 people in this case. seems like a pretty large number, but there may still be others out there who haven't talked to the fbi but i also think they ought to talk to the state authorities as well. remember, in this case the state authorities have far wider

capabilities than the feds do in this situation so it's very important that they do talk to the federal investigators -- excuse me, state investigators who are there in st. louis county missouri as well. >> just because they have spoken to one doesn't mean they need to speak to all parties involved and obviously there's some people that will have reluctance that think what i know isn't important. it very well may be so when in doubt go speak to someone. darryl parks, thanks for making time for us this morning. >> thank you. we'll take a break on "new day." breaking overnight american theo curtis finally pack with his family two years after being held hostage in syria. we're going to hear from his mother coming up. also, the first american killed fighting for isis is only one of many americans that are fighting with militant groups. what exactly is fueling this extremism, and is it going to get worse? we'll look into it. from 2000 to 2011, on average 17 manufacturers a day shut down in america.

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breaking overnight. journalist peter theo curtis now reunited with his family in the united states after being held captive for almost two years by islamic militants in syria. i think we have a picture to show you of the moment when curtis was reunited with his mother. we don't have that picture, but it was a lovely moment when he was reunited with his mother in boston. she says she was overwhelmed with relief that she has her son back. our miguel marquez is following the story for us from cambridge right outside boston. good morning, miguel. >> reporter: good morning there, john. i think it's fair to say that it is joy here in cambridge today, that picture that you mentioned, if we can bring it up, shot at

boston's logan airport, the mother beaming at her son, newly released after 22 months in captivity by al nusra front, al qaeda-affiliated group, and seeing theo curtis, peter theo curtis, the family calls him theo, the last time we saw him he was in captivity looking shaggy, unshaved, unshowered and now he clearly has a clean shirt on. he is shaved and looking a heck of a lot better. he did release a statement. i want to read part of it to you. i've been so touched and moved beyond all words by the people who have come to me today, strangers on the plane, flight attendants and most of all my family to say welcome home. i am also deeply indebted to the u.s. officials who worked on my case. i especially want to thank the government of qatar for intervening on my behalf. the qataris i also should say they insist, they did not pay a ransom for mr. curtis' release. what next for him?

well, he is home just a few blocks from where we are right now. his mother says she is a very good cook. we know that he loves to road pies call so i think he's going to get a good meal and a decent ride. >> we know how that picture of when they reunited yesterday, peter theo curtis and his mother nancy who has been through so much, i can't imagine the bike ride he had and how many times he thought about that over the last two years. our thanks to miguel marquez in cambridge. before they reunited nancy curtis spoke with cnn's anderson cooper about what it was like to hear her son's voice for the first time in nearly two years. remember, the family did not know exactly where he was or his condition or whether they would ever see him again. listen to this. >> nancy, first of all, just congratulations. i'm so happy for you. can you take me back to that moment when you first learned that your son had been freed? >> i got a call from the fbi agent who has been working with us the whole time.

she flew -- she flew to the middle east, and she called me and said i'm standing on the golan heights with your son by my son, and he wants to talk to you, but he needs some time to compose himself. that was all she needed to say. i knew that he was healthy and safe, and it was a huge relief. >> did you know that moment was coming? did you know that this was in the works? >> yes, i knew that the agent had gone to the middle east about a week previously, so we had been waiting for that call, but, you know, it was -- it was a very, very long wait. >> what is this moment like? mean, after waiting and, you know, so many ups and downs and not hearing for so long?

>> this is -- >> all right. i think we lost that interview, but you can hear the joy in her voice over the knowledge that her son was okay. again, that conversation was before she actually saw him, but after she had spoken to him after she had been through so, so much and when they finally did reunite, that image is just priceless. >> can't imagine what she went through. remember, james foley was killed while her son was in captivity, so she thought he would be coming home but never knew until the actual moment that you saw where she had her arms around him that it was going to work. >> yeah, and to know that she has been befriended by the foleys who are dealing with their grief and sorrow right now. it's a club that, unfortunately, more and more people are joining, missing loved ones overseas. shall i give you a look at headlines, guys. 32 minutes past the hour. breaking news. russia is firing over the board near parts of eastern ukraine, this according to ukraine's defense counsel. officials say russians and militants have seized villages in that region.

we're going to keep an eye on this. a new cease-fire with no expiration date is under way and holding between israel and hamas. this agreement reopens border crossings and expands gaza's fishing zones. the pentagon says the u.s. coast guard was forced to fire off a warning shot at an iranian sailboat in the persian gulf. u.s. military officials say it began when the coast guard vessel approached the sailboat. the crew on board that sailboat pointed a machine gun at them so kind of a situation there that you don't have to have to encounter. >> indeed. thanks so much, michaela. now to this week's human factor. a filmmaker turned the camera on himself in multiple sclerosis changed his life. dr. sanjay gupta has more. >> reporter: as a child, jason da silva loved making home movies. he was 18 when he made his first film and 25 when he was diagnosed with primary progressive multiple sclerosis. >> all of a sudden i was walking

slow up and down the subway steps and kind of walking like i was drunk during the day. >> reporter: ms is a disease where the body's immune system attacks the central nervous system, damaging or destroying nerve fibers. the independent filmmaker traveled the world making nine films and then da silva turned the camera on himself, documenting the ravages of his disease and the struggle that people with disabilities have living in new york city. >> we're not super human. people with disabilities shouldn't be asked to do the impossible. >> reporter: it took seven years to make the movie "when i walk" which aired on pbs he went from using a walker, a wheelchair and now a motorized scooter. his hands curl making it impossible to handle a camera. passionate about helping people with disabilities, he and his wife created a place of all the places in the city that are wheelchair accessible. >> some of the things i'm doing is actually making a difference.

that's what keeps me going and that's how we can stay positive. >> reporter: dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting. >> the first american has been killed fighting for isis, but more than 100 are still believed to have joined the fight in syria. what's causing americans to join a terrorist cause? our counterterrorism analyst is going to weigh in next.

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we're learning more this morning about an american who died in syria while fighting four isis terrorists. douglas mccain is believed to be the first american killed fighting for isis, but he's only one of at least 100 americans who have traveled to syria to join other militant and terror groups fighting there. what's the latest evidence of the threat that islamist extremists could pose here at least in the united states. want to bring in cnn counterterrorism expert and former cia counterterrorism official philip mudd. phil, thanks so much for being with us. we knew, we'd been told there were as many as 100 americans fighting in syria right now. that was known, but now we have a name. now we have a story. so what do investigators now do with that information, do with that story, do with that name? >> boy, at this point to me it's the most fascinating piece of the intelligence business, that is, we're focused on a name and how this guy got there and what

happened to his family and how he was radicalized, but the interesting story here to me is the parallel life i lived at you bureau and the cia and that is once you have a name at the middle of the spider web your initial question is what is the extent or is there a conspiracy around him? who radicalized him? who do d he radicalize? and how did he get the money to get there? where did he get the documents? who facilitated his travel through a place like turk? the first question you have is a ticking time clock, and that is was there a conspiracy around him that allowed this to happen, and it takes a while to prove the negative, that is, to prove if he got operated sort of in a solitary fashion, that there was no sort of circle of support around him. there's a lot of work going on behind the scenes right now. >> is there a script here? how does this usually work if we can say that? who recruits whom, a disaffected youth who seeks out a group like isis, or does isis this tentacles that can reach down to people like this? >> i think it's simpler than that. you have to go back to the mindset of people like this,

and, unfortunately, we've seen this mindset in other circumstances like somalia going back six, seven, eight years in minneapolis, minnesota. we saw the first american suicide bomber come out, a kid from minneapolis. the story is similar, and that's part of the tragedy for american families because in my experience most of them don't know, like in this case, that their kid has gone. what happens is it's not as simple as somebody joining an organization that's responsible for beheading a journalist. it's an emotional appeal that says, hey, you're responsible to the faith, especially by the way, john, people are sometimes convert, more zealous than people who grew up in the faith. you see images of dead women and children and the appeal is you're responsible to your community. why don't you come out and support a group that defends people like women and children who are dying, and that appeal can be very visceral and very powerful. >> if we see this one guy, if we see douglas mccain, do we then

know definitionly that there is someone else, that he must have spoken to someone here in the united states. there's someone else who we should be concerned about right now in minnesota, in san diego, that helped him get where he went? >> we don't know that, but i think there's a couple of basic questions we've got to ask. the first is were there people who were aware of his radicalization, not necessarily people that are part of the conspiracy, but, if you will, sort of two steps out, people who sort of knew something was happening, and is there a way to reach those people in the future in communities so that they come forward and speak because you can't expect law enforcement to find people like this. the second is what you're asking, john. it's hard to figure out what the answer is, and that is along the way it might have been two years ago, were there people who brought him into the circle, people who told him, who he could contact, for example, to get travel facilitated through a place like turkey to get to iraq or syria? that's hard to figure out because, again, you've got to prove a negative.

you've got to ensure that who he called, who he e-mailed and spoke to among a circle of friends or co-conspirators over the covers six months or a year or two years, that none of those people knew. that's going to take a while to figure out. >> take me to syria now. what does it tell you that isis had him fighting in northern syria against other rebel groups there and not, you know, perhaps training him in some field to come back to the united states to commit acts of terror here? >> we focus, john, on the stories, the sort of highlight stories of kids who are suicide bombers back home or who come back to a place like new york and try to build backpack bombs. that's at the extreme of terror circles. there are very few operatives who go out overseas and come back home for operations like that. unfortunately, most of what i witnessed at the buro and at the agency was kids who are sort of radicalized in the united states. they go overseas. they don't know what they are going to find. they become part of a closed circle, almost like a cult, and

most of them become cannon fodder for the organization, like this kid. we saw this in afghanistan. we've seen it in somalia. they don't come home to explode a bomb in times square. they die in a trench in some place overseas. their lives are lost, and we never even know about it. >> generally speaking, is that what they want to do, these kids who go over there from the united states or even britain? do they want to be fighting bashar al assad in syria, or do they want to bring that fight back home? >> no, most of them are going overseas to fight the immediate fight. they are inspired emotionally to go and defend the faith. they are not inspired to go and behead somebody. they are not inspired to do something that among extremists sometimes is viewed at the fringe, that is a terrorist bombing in a place like london and new york. they want the immediate gratification of going to defend the faith, to defend innocent men, women and children in villages and places like syria so that when they get on the groun, their question is, you know, how do i get into the fight? unfortunately, these people will be untrained like this guy and most of them will die.

most what have i witnessed for american youth going overseas, they never come home again. >> the american intelligence said they knew this guy was there. is there any more they could have or should have done to find him, reach him, to get him, or is it at that point all about protecting the united states from him? >> boy, it's all about protecting. once these people leave their families, their families as i mentioned earlier don't know, how are you going to reach the guy? often they are not speaking to their families, and they are in a place among people where psychologically they are isolated. they are not going to respond to an appeal. i think the question at that stage is really tough, and it gets into the business i was in. how do you talk to neighboring countries to ensure they have border control, to pick people like this up? how do you ensure that if somebody like this tries to get on an airplane you're aware of it, you can watch him and pull him aside, and, obviously, this man was on a watch list. and, unfortunately, what do you do if you find that this fellow comes back home and starts radicalizing other people? what do you do women?

do you arrest him, try to put him in a halfway house? when you're dealing with this many people, 100, 200 americans, i think by the way the number 100 is probably underestimated. that problem about how to follow these people is really difficult. >> interesting questions. philip mudd, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> yeah. sure, thank you. >> all right. coming up, new alleged audio of the michael brown shooting obtained by cnn is with the fbi. how does it compare to witness statements? we're going to have a look at where this case stands.

just one day after michael brown was laid to rest,

demonstrators were back on the streets of ferguson and st. louis, missouri. protests were peaceful as they come at the same time the fbi is evaluating that new audio recording obtained by cnn allegedly of the moment that brown was shot. cnn's sara sidner is live in ferguson, missouri, for us. what was the response there, sara? >> reporter: look, a lot of people are listening to that and it's certainly raising eyebrows. we can tell you the tensions that have flaired here for more than two weeks have quieted down. what you're now seeing are different kinds of protests throughout ferguson, of people that are trying to do this peacefully, and trying to get some sort of concrete change that can happen following the shooting of michael brown. supporters wanting justice for michael brown hit the streets once again. at the federal courthouse, gun

protesters making their way through police, demanding that the federal authorities look into potential human rights violations. this, as new potential evidence surfaces. the fbi is currently dissecting a series of alleged gunshots caught on tape during an online video chat. [ gunfire ] cnn hasn't been able to confirm its authenticity but audio experts say it's six shots, then a three-second pause, followed by four more shots. >> how could i forget? >> it doesn't really contradict or fit into any of the narratives that have been created so far. >> reporter: listen to what witnesses told cnn about the fatal shot fired by officer darren wilson. his friend, dorian johnson, suggesting wilson was shooting, then brown turned then wilson fired again. >> i see the officer proceeding after my friend, big mike, with his gun drawn, and he fired a second shot, and that struck my friend big mike and at that time

he turned around with his hands up, beginning to tell the officer that he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting but at that time, the officer was firing several more shots into my friend and he hit the ground and died. >> reporter: piaget crenshaw recorded the scene from this angle and also mentions a pause. >> michael then turned around like almost in awe, like how he had just gotten shot that many times, so he looked down and then he just tried to put his arms up and once he put his arms up, the police shot his face and he just went down. >> reporter: listen again to the shots recorded. >> you are pretty. i'm just going over some of your videos. how could i forget? [ gunfire ] >> reporter: the only account from the officer herself from a friend who calls herself josie. police confirmed to cnn her account is similar to what wilson reported. >> he stands up and yells

"freeze." michael and his friend turn around and michael starts taunting him, "oh, what are you gonna do about it? you're not going to shoot me." he said all of a sudden he started to bum-rush him, started coming full speed so he just started shooting and he kept coming. it was unbelievable, and then so he finally ended up, the final shot was in the forehead. >> if there was a confrontation, then the last four shots may have been justified. if there wasn't, if mike brown says "i surrender, i'm sorry" and he shoots him, that's an execution. >> reporter: now we have yet to hear a full official account from police about their investigation. we do know that the members of a grand jury have been selected, but officials say it may not be until october before they can see all the evidence and decide whether or not to indict officer wilson. alisyn? >> that is a long time. sara sidner thanks for the update. the name douglas mccain will

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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com the. the enemy within. friends and family now speaking out, why did he turn to terrorism and how real is the threat of radicalized americans? we'll speak live to the pentagon and senator john mccain. breaking overnight, finally home, the american peter theo curtis now back with his family in boston, after two years of being held hostage in syria. we have the photos of the emotional homecoming. the three-second pause, new questions this morning about the new audiotape allegedly from the moments michael brown was shot and killed. why did officer wilson fire then pause and fire again? >> your "new day" continues right now.

>> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan, and michaela pereira. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to "new day." it is wednesday, august 27th, 8:00 in the east. i'm john berman joined by alisyn camerota who moments ago said she's had enough of me. >> i just said hello to you. >> chris and kate are off. new details about the american killed alongside isis terrorists. douglas mccain was killed by rival militants in syria, this as the united states considers a counter-offensive to bring down isis with fears mounting over the quick spread of that extremist group. we want to get more from cnn's michelle kosinski live at the white house. there has to be great concern. >> right, and now that the administration has authorized surveillance flights over syria, and considers what options might be next leading up to potentially air strikes, we see how isis, this barbaric terrorist group, affects the u.s. in more ways than one, with

now this american raised in minnesota, being killed fighting with isis inside syria. his name was douglas mcarthur mccain, killed last weekend in the outskirts of aleppo, syria. u.s. officials confirm the 33-year-old was fighting for isis. mccain's devastated family told cnn he converted to islam years ago and eventually traveled what they thought was turkey. they communicated with him over facebook only days ago and say they had no idea the father and one-time san diego area restaurant worker with a history of minor arrests and citations and devothad devoted his life t violent jihad.

>> that's not who he was. for him to be in syria fighting for a terrorist group that doesn't make sense. my mom and my dad and our family, we're like, we don't understand it. >> reporter: the u.s. believes more than 100 americans have traveled to syria to take up arms. earlier this year this 22-year-old florida man became the first american to carry out a suicide bombing in syria. president obama has been meeting with his national security team to determine what is next. and if air strikes, which are sounding increasingly certain, then what role will congress play in authorizing them and under what legal justification? >> america does not forget, our reach is long. we are patient. ju justice will be done. we have proved time and time again we will do what's necessary to capture those who harm americans. >> reporter: the administration made it clear they'll be working with international partners moving forward and regional

partners are especially important, given this situation. and this issue of foreign fighters has also affected other countries. it was just this week that the mayor of london controversially called for any british citizen traveling to iraq or syria right now to be presumed guilty of terrorism instead of innocent upon their return, and he also felt that anybody fighting alongside one of these groups should be stripped of their british citizenship. john? >> you can see that concern rising in london and here as well. michelle kosinski at the white house, thanks so much. for more on the family's reaction to mccain's death and his radicalization into a terrorist group, we go to cnn's dan simon in san diego. dan, it sounds like they were blind-sided by this. >> reporter: completely blind-sided alisyn. they say they're devastated and they had no idea he had these radical views. they knew he converted to islam. he was a christian but they said they were okay with that. he was obviously passionate about his faith. they knew that in terms of their

relationships with him, but the notion that he would go to syria and join a terrorist group totally caught them off guard. the only warning sign or red flag they can point to is on social media he did express his support for isis with the motion that he would join the organization, that totally caught them off guard, alisyn. >> i bet it did. all right, dan simon, thanks so much for that update. we're joined now by rear admiral john kirby, the pentagon press secretary. admiral, thank you so much for being with us. as we sit here this morning how much do you know now about douglas mccain? >> actually we don't have a whole lot at the pentagon on him. there are other agencies government were aware and tracking this individual and his activities. i don't have much here again from the pentagon on this. i will say it's a stark reminder and healthy reminder of the concern that governments all over the world have about

foreign fighters getting radicalized, joining a group like isil and potentially coming back to their homelands and conducting terrorist attacks. >> didn't come back to the homeland. what does it tell you this young man who was working for isis under isis control inside syria, that isis chose to usein syria? >> i don't know if it tells us anything specifically he didn't make it back. he certainly can't eliminate the idea that these foreign fighters could potentially come back. again, that's the concern. as we have -- look, we also have a concern that they're getting radicalized in the first place, they're being attracted to such a perverse and brutal ideology, and that they would go over there and help in this complete depridation of the region inside iraq. it's very troubling. when we talk about the immediacy of the threat in the pentagon the reason why we are taking this threat so seriously, this is one of those factors. >> first of all, how many douglas mccains do you think there are out there? is the estimate still about 100

americans fighting inside syria right now? >> i've seen the estimate of about 100. i have no reason to doubt that here. at the pentagon we certainly think it's in the dozens, that's for sure but it's a very difficult thing to get your arms around >> as you sit in the pentagon this morning and at the white house, as they're considering air strikes against isis in syria, is the concern people like douglas mccain, the fact that there are americans now joining this organization, or are you more concerned with the growing territorial reach of isis in that region? >> the larger concern is the regional, and even global aspirations that a group like isil has and the increasingly strong threat they pose to security and stability over there. obviously we're concerned about americans that may be attracted to this cause, but if they do, they become enemies of the united states when they do that, and they take on those actions at their own peril. we've got to deal with this threat recentgionally. i heard you talking about this earlier from an international

perspective, that's something we're interested in pursuing athe the pentagon. yesterday i announced thanks to secretary hagel's leadership we have seven nations helping arm the kurds, so this is a much bigger problem than just inside iraq. >> you have nations now arming the kurds in the fight against isis in iraq. who is going to help you in syria? >> well, look, there's been no decisions about action inside syria, so i won't get ahead of any kind of potential future operations. we are mindful and have stayed mindful of the free reign that they have, and the free access they have across that border between iraq and syria. we know chairman dempsey said this last week that there's no way of dealing with this threat without also trying to deal with it in syria. the long-term answer here in both iraq and syria is good governance, trying tory move the conditions in which they've been allowed to fester and grow, instability and insecurity. there is a unity government standing u and we have the assad

regime in syria which has caused deprivations on their own people, killing their own people. that regime needs to go. we need to see good governance in syria that will eliminate the t attraction to the ridiculous ideology these people have. >> how does action against isis help in syria? how does air strikes, potential air strikes get assad out of power because these two things seem disconnected. >> we're not talking about, again i'm not going to get ahead of decisions a president hasn't made here. whatever action we would take from the pentagon's perspective against isil terrorists would be against isil terrorists. what we're saying is that air strikes, military action is only going to take you so far and we've been very clear that there's not going to be a military solution here. ultimately there has to be a political solution, there has to be the kind of conditions where people can live free, have hope, have an economic future and not be attracted and not be willing to fall prey to this ridiculous ideology.

>> there's a little bit of confusion about what the president is deciding on, there were reports yesterday he has a list of options in front of him that he is weighing. is that the case right now? is that your understanding? >> we're a planning organization here at the pentagon, john, that's what we do. we don't talk about the deliberations that go on with respect to that planning. >> i'm bouncing you back and forth between iraq and syria a lot and i appreciate your patience with me. there's a report in the "new york times" this morning that the united states is considering upping its action in iraq, perhaps more humanitarian air lifts, perhaps more air strikes, particularly targeted at helping some turkmen shiites there. can you confirm that? >> well, we're mindful of the humanitarian situation in iraq. one of the reasons we do conduct some kinetic activity some air strikes inside iraq is to assist with humanitarian efforts, that is certainly one of the missions that we're authorized to do inside iraq. we're always monitoring it. i won't get ahead of operations or missions that we aren't conducting yet but we are certainly mindful of the fact that there's other human, there

is more human suffering in iraq and we're watching this closely. >> what have you learned from the action in iraq that could help with potential action that i know you haven't decided on yet but what have you learned in iraq that could potentially help in syria? >> we have -- again, without speculating here, i just tell you, we're gaining what i would say is we're gaining every day that we're helping the iraqi security forces in their efforts against isil. we're gaining knowledge and insight about isil in general. this is a group we've been watching for months. we're certainly now that we're more actively engaged in iraq we're learning more, getting more information about how they operate. we also believe on a tactical level these air strikes are having an effect, that they are causing them to change a little bit of their behavior, that we're setting them back a little bit, we're certainly hurting their morale and disrupting their ability to move and to operate inside iraq. >> you have the kurds inside iraq. do you have a similar group that could be available to help you on the ground inside syria? >> well, one of the things that

we are trying to do, john, is to support a moderate syrian opposition. as you know, here at the pentagon, we put forward to congress a plan for $500 million to train and equip a moderate syrian opposition, hoping that will get approved by congress. there has been a large humanitarian effort by the united states in terms of donations in syria. so there's definitely an effort here and a desire to help build a moderate syrian opposition that can not only oppose the syrian regime, the assad regime, but also help oppose isil. >> admiral john kirby always great to have you here with us on "new day." appreciate your time. >> thank you. ten minutes past the hour. quick look at your headlines, breaking news overnight, ukrainian officials say russian soldiers are firing artillery over the border near donetsk. officials say russians and militants seized villages in that region. 13 ukrainian troops were reportedly killed, dozens more injured in the past 24 hours.

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so we know the fbi is analyzing that new audio recording that we have obtained here at cnn, allegedly of the moment police shot and killed michael brown. on the video chat you'll hear what sounds like gunshots, a pause, and then more shots. now remember, this was all recorded apparently inadvertently, so you have to kind of listen beyond the man's voice where he's talking and listen behind for the gunshots. >> you are pretty. [ gunfire ] you are so fine. just going over some of your videos. how could i forget? [ gunfire ] >> again, cnn cannot independently verify the authenticity of the tape. here to break it down david klinger, author of "into the kill zone" and officer are officer and cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. what a duo i have to go through this with me. david, my lapd former friend here, let's talk about this recording that we've been hearing. we played it for you just now.

do you think it's authentic? >> i have no idea. i mean, i've told your producers that, for all i know, this is something, one of howard stern's punk people have been doing. you know, it came out, what, two weeks after the event so i don't have a high degree of confidence in it but it could be real. >> it could be and why the skepticism? >> because it came out two weeks later. i mean, if you listen to what the gentleman's saying and then the gunfire and so on and so forth, i look at this and i say, my first inclination is someone is trying to punk cnn. i could be wrong. >> smells funny to you. >> i could be wrong. hopefully we'll find out. >> tom, let me turn to you then. give us an idea. we know the fbi has this. what is the process for authenticating a recording or a tape like this? >> the engineers in the laboratory at quantico will try to determine if there was a dubbing, did we have an original recording of this guy having a consideration no one wants to talk about, and then the shots

are dubbed over it. was it the complete tape? all accounts from brown's side and the officer's side say there was a single shot fired initially at the door of the police car, so that shot followed by brown trying to flee and then the officer exiting the car and pursuing him and then firing the series of shots, so we're missing that first shot. now, i don't know, cnn got this tape first. did they censor is because the guy said something obscene over the first shot and they didn't want to air that? we just don't know all that, and i have to admit my first impression when i heard this -- >> my producer says that's all we were given. >> when i heard this yesterday i thought the exact same thing, it's a hoax, but maybe not. maybe they'll be able to authenticate it. if they do, let's take the assumption they do authenticate the tape, then it supports both sides. >> right. >> you can make an argument to support both sides. so it will be a key argument in terms of how long the sequence

of events are from the multiple shots followed by the short pause, followed by four more shots, you know, that will be important to try and link all witness accounts to that, you know, and as well as wilson's account, when it's eventually revealed, whether that might be in a courtroom or when at this point, we don't know. something i -- >> let me just say it needs to be said the lawyer who is representing the man who gave us the audio gave it to us, she swears it is real. we have no reason here at cnn to believe that it's not true. david, i want to turn to you for a second and talk about the scenario. let's jususpend our disbelief f a second. >> fair enough. >> and let's talk about this pause. this pause seems significant to many people, to many analysts that are hearing the audio. so if this were to be real and this is an authenticated audio, this pause, give us a scenario as a flavpolice officer, what t pause could signify? >> it could signify a lot of things. >> run through a couple

scenarios. >> scenario one is, police officers are trained to fire, their firearm, until they believe that the threat is other, and then they are trained to assess, and then they are trained to reengage if their assessment indicates either that the threat did not get resolved by the initial volley of shots, or the threat reemerges. another scenario i don't think anybody's brought into play it could be during the time the officer is reloading. he had plenty of time to reload his semiautomatic pistol so there's two and i could tell you chapter and verse officers i've interviewed over the years, good friends of mine that have been involved in shoot-outs they put a couple of rounds down range or single round down range, the suspect falls down and starts to get back up with a gun and the gun battle starts again. one of the most famous shoot-outs occurred 22 years ago in the clayton courthouse. some guys i know involved in the shooting, the suspect went down, about three seconds later he started to come up with the gun, one of my buddies reengaged him

and finally stopped the gun fight. >> a really interesting scenario you talk about. tom fuentes i want to talk about the relevance in the case for you, the pause or the way the shots were fired or the number of shots that were fired. >> i agree completely. i think all those scenarios are very possible that were just mentioned and again if you're a supporter of brown you say he turned around and was in the process of surrendering and the officer then executed him, and if you're a supporter of the officer at this point, you say that he reassessed, just as was mentioned, that's exactly what officers are trained to do. the reloading part, the only question there is that multiple witnesses, no one has described, and that would be a pretty distinct motion, to eject the magazine and put another one in. so i think somebody might have seen the reloading and most officers on the street now carry semiautomatic pistols with a 15-shot capacity, 14 in the

magazine and another in the chamber. so given the number of shots, even if you add the one shot at the car and the additional 10 or 11 shots, that would be within the realm of an officer having enough bullets in the first place to not have -- but the reloading is irrelevant. i agree more with the theory that the officer was assessing or reassessing and possibly at that point brown is turning around to face the officer, then what happens, and that's where the accounts are going to differ, you know, and i've pointed out before that maybe his arms are straight up, perpendicular to the ground, surrendering or maybe he's starting to come forward. either way, multiple shots in the arms would go pretty much in the same place and that's a fine distinction that really you'd have to be in the officer's shoes looking through his eyes to try to determine was the threat continuing or reemerging on him or was it a surrender. that's where the difference is going to be, all the way 'til,

forever probably in this case. >> there's only one person that knows that and that is officer darren wilson. >> the odds of there being -- >> go ahead. >> i agree, the odds that there was a reload involved are very slight, but i was simply commenting that we just don't know enough, and so it is possible that during that time frame, those three seconds approximately, he had time to reload. i was simply trying to point out there's so much we don't yet know and we have to wait for the investigative case file to come out and explain all of the physical evidence, all of the eyewitness statements and so on and so forth and that's going to take a good deal of time. >> it is going to take some time. we are anxious as well and know it has to come out in due course. can we talk about protocol for a second, david? i think there is, there has been a lot of question and a lot of concern about protocol in a shooting. you have had to do this before. you were in a scenario, you, our producers tell us you were in a scenario where you faced fire from a suspect, and you had to make a choice.

talk to us about what the protocol and the training is for an officer who finds himself in a situation. >> right, to make a very long story short, what it boils down to is police officers are trained that you're allowed to use deadly force to stop the flight of a very narrow band of violent felons who were fleeing but the vast majority of police shootings are in defense of life, either the life of the officer, his or her partner or an innocent citizen. now what that boils down to, police officers are trained that when you believe that you're about to suffer serious bodily injury or death or a third party is, if you don't use deadly force, you use deadly force until the threat is ceased, and then what officers are told beyond that is, given a multiple scenarios, they go over in the academy and in-service training, this is what could present a particular type of threat, someone trying to take your gun away, a large person beating up a small officer, an individual with a firearm who is moving with that firearm, bringing it to bear, so on and so forth, the

individual i shot was an individual who stabbed my partner in the chest with a butcher's knife and jumped on top of him, was trying to drive the knife through his throat, so officers are trained about what becall edwe call edged weapon defense. there's a variety of explaining to officers what that means in terms of here are the sorts of things that could constitute a deadly threat and when you are faced with one of those things, you have the right to use deadly force. now one thing that's really interesting is the research that i've conducted and other people who have talked to police officers around the country have found out, the vast majority of times when police officers have lawful warrant to shoot, that is, their life or the life of an innocent individual besides themselves is in eminent jeopardy they decide not to shoot. my third chapter of my book "into the kill zone" is story after story after story of police officers confronting people with knives, guns, people shooting at them and for whatever reason they opt not to shoot. i think that's something that your viewers should be aware of. >> we know that in this

situation he chose to. we don't know why. we don't know -- >> michaela, if i -- >> we don't know from the officer's point of view why he chose to shoot. some are questions if he had -- >> michaela -- >> -- reasonable cause to shoot. final thought, tom fuentes. >> when i was a former police officer for six and a half years i had two occasions like that, i was faced with a situation and was literally starting to pull the trigger, when the person finally dropped the weapon, but during that time, when they turn around and faced me with a gun, i already had legal justification to shoot that person and didn't, so to echo david's point, i have personally two instances like that where i could have killed someone, chose not to. i could have guessed wrong and been killed myself and many officers have done just that. so it works both ways. >> split decisions, split-second decisions that our law enforcement officers face. again, we don't know what

happened here from the point of view of darren wilson and why he felt he needed to open fire. hopefully we'll be learning those details in the coming days and weeks. big thank you to david klinger and tom fuentes for joining us today. you have opinions and you're going to start tweeting on facebook. let us know what you think of the new developments in the michael brown shooting. we want to hear from you facebook.com/newday. we'll take a short break now. after almost two years in captivity, an american hostage finally back home with his family. we're going to tell you what the reunion with those loved ones was like. also, an american dies fighting for isis, leaving his family with many questions. we're also going to speak with senator john mccain about the fwro growing threat and the radicalization of homegrown terrorists. lp me with frog protection? sure, we help with fraud protection. if there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, you're never held responsible. you are saying "frog protection"? fraud. fro-g. frau-d. i think we're on the same page.

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find our miguel marquez. hi, miguel. >> reporter: how are you there, alisyn. yes, that one picture it does say a thousand words, snapped at boston logan airport, mother and son embracing. nancy curtis just beaming at peter theo curtis. the family calls him theo. he's very much cleaned up after being in captivity for 22 months, clean shirt, not looking so skrcraggly, a shower and certainly a shave and released a brief statement saying in part "i have been so touched and moved beyond all words by the people who have come up to me today, strangers on the airplane, the flight attendants and most of all my family. i especially thank qua ta are for intervening on my behalf." qatar insists they did not pay a ransom for his release.

the foley and curtis families struggled to get their sons released. they are extraordinarily sad james foley is not making that same trip home today. two other notes, mrs. curtis says she is a very good cook and i think anything theo wants will be on the menu. he likes to do road biking and some mellow time reintegrating with the world will be spent on a bike here in lovely massachusetts. back to you, alisyn. >> i'm sort of interested in finding out what his first meal request will be, if you happen to get that information. miguel marquez, thanks. >> reporter: i'm dying to know. we've asked. i'm dying to know. >> okay, good, with he will stand by for that. thanks, miguel. let's go over to michaela. >> are the will, here we go with the five things you need to know, an american has been killed fighting for isis in syria. douglas mccain was killed last weekend in a fire fight with a ryal militant group. the u.s. is considering options for slowing that isis threat. as you just heard american

peter theo curtis reuniting with his family on american soil after being held captive for almost two years by islamic terrorists in syria. ukrainian officials say russia is firing over the border ne near donetsk. 13 troops were killed, dozens more injured in just the last 24 hours. the fbi is attempting to validate a possible audio recording obtained by cnn of the shooting of michael brown, this as more than 100 demonstrators marched peacefully in st. louis and ferguson on tuesday. an open-ended cease-fire between israel and hamas appears to be holding. no expiration date has been set to allow the two sides to continue with the peace talks in cairo. the cease-fire comes after seven weeks of fighting that has left almost, actually more than 2,000 people dead. we do update the five things to know. visit newdaycnn.com for the latest. alisyn? >> michaela, the u.s. considering options to are fighting isis terrorists in syria, after an american jihadi

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our reach is long. we are patient. justice will be done. we have proved time and time again we will do what's necessary to capture those who harm americans. >> that was president obama addressing the brutal death of american james foley at the hands of isis. this morning, still no decision from the president on whether the u.s. will launch air strikes inside syria against the terrorist group, and now an american has been killed fighting for isis in syria, raising fears about the threat the militants pose to the u.s. joining us to discuss all of this is republican senator john mccain. good morning, senator. >> good morning, alisyn. >> so it must have hit close to home yesterday when you found out an american had joined isis and his name was douglas mccain. >> yes, it certainly was an interesting coincidence, and i can assure you this is just the first of many. there are some estimates as much as 100, some more, some less, but there's no doubt that isis

is attracting people from all over the world who have been indoctrinated by this radical form of muslim religion, and it's not going to stop. it's increasing, and it's really a greater danger to the united states of america, but that's not just my opinion. that's the director of national intelligence, the head of the cia, and the secretary of homeland security's view as well. >> yes. >> this is a direct threat over time. >> now, senator, it's no secret that you have been frustrated with president obama's approach to isis. you put out a statement that said in part, "american and our allies and partners will only be secure when isis is defeated. that means we must get beyond half measures, tactical responses and defensive actions." what half measures are you referring to? >> well the fact that president, we could go back to his

commitment to attack syria and then after telling the world that changing his mind. that was a similar event throughout the middle east and the world, that was over the chemical weapons issue. by the way there's no evidence from -- >> but i want to be clear you're saying because he drew a red line and did nothing, that was what caused the rise of isis? >> no, i think that that was a seminal event in not attacking syria, which is, now has our free syrian army people on the run, rise of isis, success of bashar assad, but it certainly helped, but it gave an indication of the lack of credibility. these things don't happen by accident, alisyn, but right now you have the isis with the largest caliphate in history, richest with hundreds of millions of dollars, using american equipment. they have obliterated the boundaries between iraq and syria, so we're launching air

strikes in iraq for reasons which are really not totally specified yet, but surveillance in syria, how does that work? there is no strategy. if the president of the united states would go to the american people and outline a strategy and our goal, then i think the american people in congress would be very supportive, but right now there is no one that i have met that can describe what the strategy of this administration is. one day secretary of defense -- could i just say the secretary of defense and the chairman of the joint chiefs talk about how this is a huge threat this is, and the biggest we've ever seen, et cetera, and then, and there's nothing to follow that up, because there's no strategy. >> so senator, what is your strategy or your recommendation to defeat isis? >> what i have said for a long, long time, you're going to have to use air strikes. that may require air controllers

and special forces people on the ground. it does not require the same kind of military involvement that we had before, but we've got to go after them. we cannot give them sanctuary just because of the boundary, and we are going to have to arm the kurds and we're going to have to support a reconciliation with the sunni, and all of those are going to have to take place almost simultaneously in the context of an overall strategy, which as i say right now is not there. in fact, what is the president's goal right now? that's even the first question. >> i believe the president has said that his goal was to contain isis in iraq by hitting the convoys to save the yazidis or other people that isis has persecuted. >> but that's not a strategy. if you think you can contain isis, do you really believe that? you can't contain isis. you have to defeat it. look at the way that it's grown and morphed into just the last

year or so. they have now attracted young people, young men from all over the world, and they are growing in strength. they have u.s. equipment. they have money, and they are a direct threat, and you can't just contain direct threats. it's not like the cold war. they are going to be exporting terror to the united states of america. that's what mr. baghdadi said after he left our prison in iraq camp buca and said "i'll see you in new york." >> i want to talk about how you would recommend dealing with isis in syria. syria's foreign minister said this week that they, syria, are willing to collaborate and cooperate with international forces to fight terrorism. should we collaborate and cooperate with the assad regime to try to get rid of isis? >> i think it would be terrible. i think, i can't imagine us being that cynical. what we need to do is, and what

we've needed to do all along was help the free syrian army. another seminal event was when the president overruled this entire national security team, including the secretary of state, hillary clinton, when they all recommended that we arm the free syrian army. decisions have consequences and this president doesn't want to lead. two things happened this week very interesting. one, the agreement cease-fire between hamas and syria, no american role to uea and egypt, launching attacks against the islamists in libya, without even telling us. this is a diminution of american influence in the region which is just remarkable. >> would you support air strikes over syria and as you said, even special forces on the ground to figure out where to affect those air strikes? >> i wouldn't put them on the ground in syria, but i certainly would put air strikes and also

air strikes against bashar assad, which we have advocated, to establish a free sanctuary on the border, so that the free syrian army can train and equip. that's the ultimate goal should be the ultimate, the overthrow of bashar assad, the same statement the president made a couple of years ago where he said it's not a matter of bashar should leave and he also said it's not a matter whether bashar assad would leave it's a matter of when, because nobody believes that anymore. >> senator john mccain, thanks so much for joining us to outline your strategy this morning. always nice to see you. >> thank you. all right, next, protesters took to the streets again in ferguson, missouri, a day after the funeral of michael brown, and new possible audio evidence in his shooting could cast doubt on witness accounts. we'll take a look at where the case stands.

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just 24 hours after michael brown was laid to rest, protests resumed over the teen's death, they came on the heels of that new possible alleged audio recording obtained by cnn of the brown shooting we've been talking about, that tape is now in the hands of the fbi which is said to be evaluating it. our sara sidner is live in ferguson with more. good morning, sara. >> reporter: good morning. certainly peep are listening to the audio and it is raising eyebrows. lot of people talking what it might mean as investigators look at that, but they're also looking at the community things have really quieted down and what's happening now is a lot of soul searching trying to as one organization put it, turn a moment into a movement that

creates lasting, positive change here in ferguson. supporters wanting justice for michael brown hit the streets once again. at the federal courthouse, gun protesters making their way through police, demanding that the federal authorities look into potential human rights violations. this, as new potential evidence surfaces. the fbi is currently dissecting a series of alleged gunshots caught on tape during an online video chat. [ gunfire ] cnn hasn't been able to confirm its authenticity but audio experts say it's six shots, then a three-second pause, followed by four more shots. >> how could i forget? >> it doesn't really contradict or fit into any of the narratives that have been created so far. >> reporter: listen to what witnesses told cnn about the fatal shot fired by officer

darren wilson. his friend, dorian johnson, suggesting wilson was shooting, then brown turned then wilson fired again. >> i see the officer proceeding after my friend, big mike, with his gun drawn, and he fired a second shot, and that struck my friend big mike and at that time he turned around with his hands up, beginning to tell the officer that he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting but at that time, the officer was firing several more shots into my friend and he hit the ground and died. >> reporter: piaget crenshaw recorded the scene from this angle and also mentions a pause. >> michael then turned around like almost in awe, like how he had just gotten shot that many times, so he looked down and then he just tried to put his arms up and once he put his arms up, the police shot his face and he just went down. >> reporter: listen again to the shots recorded. >> you are pretty. you're so fine. i'm just going over some of your videos. [ gunfire ] how could i forget?

>> reporter: the only account allegedly from officer wilson himself calls from a friend who calls herself josie. who called into a radio station. police sources confirmed to cnn her account is similar to what wilson reported. >> he stands up and yells "freeze." michael and his friend turn around and michael starts taunting him, "oh, what are you gonna do about it? you're not going to shoot me." he said all of a sudden he started to bum-rush him, started coming full speed so he just started shooting and he kept coming. it was unbelievable, and then so he finally ended up, the final shot was in the forehead. >> if there was a confrontation, then the last four shots may have been justified. if there wasn't, if mike brown says "i surrender, i'm sorry" and he shoots him, that's an execution. >> reporter: we have not yet heard a full account, an official full account from police as to what happened as the investigation continues. we do know that a grand jury has

been selected and the worry here is from the residents, they want to see that process, they want to know that that process is going forward, and then we may find out but not until october according to officials as to whether or not the jury decides to indict the officer. john? >> it's interesting they want to see that process at work to begin with. sara sidner thanks so much. a heroes welcome for the kids who captured the world's imagination. the team from jackie robinson west comes home to chicago from the little league world series. it's "the good stuff." [ dog barks ] ♪ [ male announcer ] imagine the cars we drive... being able to see so clearly... to respond so intelligently and so quickly, they can help protect us from a world of unseen danger. it's the stuff of science fiction... minus the fiction.

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