desperate damage control after the really surprising remark from president obama. he's giving a press conference at the white house and he told reporters flat out we don't have a strategy yet for fighting the surge of isis in syria. a senior administration official clarifying the president was only talking about isis in syria, but that comment now has the president's critics asking how he is dealing with this terror fight, whether there is a plan. white house correspondent michelle kosinski joins us now with the latest from the white house where they have been doing a lot of cleanup. good morning, michelle. >> reporter: good morning, john, right. well, of course, everybody kind of waits with bated breath, especially with the national security meeting in the situation room wanting to know what is the decision on hitting isis in syria? i mean, u.s. hostages are still there. one was just murdered but the president has made it to some surprisingly clear we're just

not there yet. >> i've directed secretary hagel and our joint chiefs of staff to prepare a range of options. >> reporter: another address by the president. there have been many lately, but it was these words regarding syria that many were not expecting. >> i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. >> reporter: his critics quick to pounce. the republican party tweeting what's the obama strategy? to have no strategy. ukraine, isis, russia. but the white house was equally quick to explain. >> the president was asked a specific question about what approach he was going to pursue when it came to possible military action in syria against isil. that was a specific question asked, and the president was explicit that he's still waiting for plans being developed by the pentagon. the president has been very clear for months about what our comprehensive strategy is for confronting the isil threat in iraq. >> reporter: that is true, very clear and very careful. some say to the point of being

too slow. u.s. air strikes are still presented as being for the primary purpose of protecting american personnel and then supporting iraqis and adding a humanitarian component. the president still repeatedly emphasizes the need for a unified iraqi government so that country can solve its own problems. >> and the options that i'm asking for from the joint chiefs focuses primarily on making sure that isil is not overrunning iraq. >> reporter: but the terrorist spread has been fast and furious. the white house's view of the syria component is even more deliberate. >> it's not simply a military issue. it's also a political issue. it's also an issue that involves all the sunni state in the region and sunni leadership recognizing that this cancer that has developed is one that they have to be just as invested in defeating as we are. >> reporter: but he did say a long-term strategy will involve a military aspect.

what will not? the situation in ukraine. and the u.s. will not call russia's latest moves an invasion even though some in ukraine are. >> i think it is very important to recognize that a military solution to this problem is not going to be forthcoming. >> reporter: so now the president is sending secretary of state kerry to the region. he said the syria strategy that is forming is broader. it's going to involve that regional and international coalition, stabilizing syria, to some extent, and that sound like it's going to take some time. he was also careful to say that it will include some consultation with congress. didn't want to go so far as to say he'll ask congress' permission for any potential military action in syria. john? >> of course he said that because he doesn't know what he would be asking for. >> reporter: exactly. >> michelle kosinski at the white house, thanks so much. >> john, breaking overnight. russia's foreign minister denying accusations that russian

troops crossed into ukraine but nato says satellite images do show russian troops crossed into ukraine. in response, russia's foreign minister says the images could be a farce claiming they could be from computer games. this comes as vladimir putin gives a directive to pro-russian rebels on the ground in ukraine. he wants them to open a humanitarian corridor for ukrainian troops to leave following the latest fighting. this despite refusing to acknowledge that those russian troops crossed the border. diana magnay has more for us. she's on the ground. >> reporter: alisyn, i'm in a small village a couple of kilometers away from a russian village of a town seized by the pro-russian rebels yesterday, and i spoke to the commander of a battalion, one of the ukranian volunteer battalion that he was absolutely convinced that the men would took that town were russian troops backed up by russian tanks, and this adds to

a body of evidence which seems to suggest that russia is stepping up its involvement in the conflict in eastern ukraine. pro-russian forces gaining more ground as the fighting rages on. in rebel-held donetsk heavy shelling killed 15 civilians as ukrainian troops tried to push back russian forces. the town of novoazovsk seized by russian tanks and artillery battled ukrainian troops for control. this morning, russian president vladimir putin opened a so-called humanitarian corridor. the order, have pro-russian separatists release ukrainian troops trapped in the battle zone and provide medal assistance to the injured. on thursday, as many as 1,000 russian troops with heavy weapons crossed the southern border to fight alongside pro-russian rebels, according to nato. the fear in ukraine, that russian troops might march as

far as coastal city of mariupol but already this has opened a third front in the fighting in the strongholds already of donetsk and luhansk. ukraine accusing russia of a full-scale invasion as video footage shows russian forces on the move inside ukrainian territory over the last several days. this convoy shows a convoy of self-propelled eastern area. >> they are only the tip of the iceberg in terms of the overall scope of russian troops and weapons movements. >> reporter: now we've been up and down the border in this region. it doesn't feel like a full-scale invasion as ukrainians put it, but it does appear as though there is more and more russian troops getting involved in a wider area across this whole conflict, making it much more difficult for petro poroshenko and his army to have

any kind of conclusive defeat over the pro-russian rebels. john, back to you. >> diana magnay in ukraine, talking about that wider area where russian troops are now operating. want to get more on this. here with cnn military analyst retired general spider marks. diana magnay talked about this third front being opened up in this region. let's take a look at this. the fighting had been going on in the cities of donetsk and luhansk. that's where the fighting was going on. now you see the russian movements into the southern part of ukraine. why? >> what they are doing is isolating where the fighting has been, and it's important that that area stay as it's controlled right now. it's loose control, but that is kind of what we would say under an existing set of military conditions. this now further isolates that. that is established. this new area needs to be established so you can create

this eastern complete corridor into crimea. >> and divert some troops maybe from the first area. let's take a look at the corridor into crimea right now because that's the other notion. you see the city of mariupol, that's a key coastal city. now after these tanks and the russian troops, maybe 1,000 of them have moved in, it could create this contiguous line all the way to crimea. we can see that right now. of course, crimea effectively part of russia. we don't recognize it, but the russia say it's part of russia so now they have a full connection. >> that's what russia has been trying to do for longest time is to try to take this eastern portion of ukraine and make it contiguous so that russia doesn't have to show its cards when it crosses the border, reinforces its existing locations that have been in crimea for years, primary in sebastopol. we've seen this developing over time and putin sees this as an tune to establish. >> let's talk more about what we've seen and walk over to this

wall. nato has received satellite imagery now of what they say is going on here. they have released these pictures. hopefully we have four of them here. well, let's take a look at this. we have this picture right here of what's going on in the region. i see what i think, spider, looks like a column of tanks. >> it is. this is not a stealth invasion. what this is, this is a blowup of this column of tanks right here, and you can see all of these armored capability in ukraine. so it's very, very obvious that russia has moved these elements into ukraine, and they are making it much more difficult for ukrainians to do anything against this type of firepower. >> there's been some people who called this a stealth movement. >> not at all. >> this isn't particularly stealthy, is it, spider? >> not at all. this is obvious and irrefutable evidence that allows us to start to piece together what the russians are really trying to achieve here. this is war, not by proxy anymore.

these are russian forces in ukraine. >> now, the other thing that we've seen, i think we have more inaction here. we've also seen pictures of self-propelled artillery. >> yeah. >> that i believe is down here. let's blow that up right there. what is self-propelled heavy artillery, spieder? >> what that means is artillery that's mounted on tracks. they can move wherever they want. they don't have to be towed by another vehicle which means it's very responsive. you can move the artillery pieces very quickly and get them into position and fire and provide effects on targets very, very quickly. the russians and previously the soviets, this is really a soviet formation, have had immense reliance on these kinds of capabilities. artillery is really how they affect actions on the ground. >> the other thing that's staggering. this is not stealthy. does not look like anything else. this looks like big menacing weapons. you make a statement when you roll this over the border into another country. >> putin denies he has a

presence in ukraine and has forces in ukraine. putin clearly has the ability to alter what's taking place in ukraine right now, and there's absolutely no reap why they are doing that. >> russian officials are claiming that there are no russian military personnel in ukraine right now. what they are saying is they may be on vacation, may be russian military service members. >> not accidental tourists. >> our artillery doesn't go on vacation, personnel may go on vacation. these things can't, correct? >> absolutely correct, john. whole thing really aligns with putp's ability, remember where he came from and where he's been. his narrative, this chaos and the fact he's being attacked personally plays directly into his story and support. >> there's also a lot of talk of the terminology being used here, war of games. is it an invasion like the ukrainians are saying? is it incursion like other officials are saying or a continuation of what we've seen in the past from what the

president is saying? do those words matter from a military point of view? >> words do matter, extremely very, very precise language is important in terms of how you apply military power and what you do about it. this is an invasion. it needs to be labeled that so that nato, united states, nato can make some appropriate -- take some appropriate actions to counter this. >> retired general james "spider" marks with a look at some of these images. really is incredible when you look at the weapons up front. christine romans is in now for michaela with the other stories. >> efforts under way to free dozens of peacekeepers in syria. 43 peacekeepers are being held near syria's border with rebel following a rebel takeover of this space this week. another 81 personnel are trapped in the surrounding area. these peacekeepers are from the philippines and fiji. the volcano in papaya new guinea erupted sending volcanic

ash and smoke as high as people could stay. people were encrucialed to stay inside to avoid falling ash. air travel to australia could be disrupted depending on the winds shift. comedian joan rivers remains in a new york hospital this morning. she was rushed there thursday after she went into cardiac arrest. the 81-year-old stopped breathing during minor throat surgery at a new york clinic. rivers' daughter melissa said her mom is resting comfortably and thanks the fans for their love and support. tony stewart returns to the nascar circuit and is expected to take part in a race in atlanta. qualifying rounds begin today. stewart has not raced since he struck and killed kevin ward jr. in an upstate race earlier this month. authorities have found no evidence so far of criminal intent by stewart so he'll return to racing. >> christine, thanks so much. and great shirt, by the way. >> wearing the same shirt.

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spaced, and in order for us to degrade isil over the long term, we're going to have to build a regional strategy, but i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. >> well, if president obama was looking to clarify his stance on fighting isis, he seems to have failed yesterday. he's facing heavy criticism following those comments about not having a strategy yet for stopping the spread of the terror group. was it just a slip, or was it a sign of a larger issue? let's ask paul begala, a cnn political commentator and democratic strategist and senior adviser for priorities usa action, a pro-obama super pac and kevin madden, also a cnn political commentator and republican strategist. gentlemen, good morning. >> good morning. >> kevin, what did you think of his comment, that we don't want to put the cart before the horse, that we don't have a strategy yet. >> you have to wonder what the president's real objective was yesterday. i think if he was hoping to go out and give the american people an even some of his critics and supporters up on capitol hill a better idea or provide some

confidence that he does have a strategy, he obviously failed. >> yeah. >> this was -- this was one of those things where, you know, the american public looks to their president, look to their commander in chief for a greater sense of clarity, and, you know, clear objectives in our national security policy, and the president didn't provide that at all. >> paul, where was -- where were the clear objectives yesterday in his speech? >> well, i think it got -- some of this frankly is the way the reporting. he was asked are you going to ask congress for authority to bomb syria? and he said, well, we don't have a strategy parenthetically to bomb syria right now. i thought he did outline -- first off, far preferable to invading, conquering and occupying countries for a decade or more as we did under president bush. what he said was, look, first we'll protebl oct our own peopl people in irbil and other places and provide humanitarian efforts, that's why we helped

the poor yezidis on mt. sinjar. he said we need a regional approach and that's why john kerry is going to get the rest of the countries in the region because they are the ones that will solve isis, not the united states occupying syria as well as iraq and afghanistan. >> okay. was the president being his usual deliberative self saying we don't want to rush into things and i'll ask congress as soon as i've gotten all of my ducks in a row? >> well, look, here's the problem. this was not a gaffe. this was not the president misspeaking. this was an admission. he clearly doesn't have a strategy, and i think a lot of people watching that press conference yesterday, they found that quite apparent so, you know, we have to remember, too. isis or isil is not a new problem. this has been something that has been emerging now for months, so the very fact that the president doesn't have a very clear ability to tell the american people exactly what our objectives are and exactly the actions that he hopes to take, whether it is -- and we don't know what the strategy is, so we don't know whether he hopes to

contain it or hopes to eliminate it. we just don't have a better sense after that press conference or even after the last six months of hearing this administration try to lay out a policy on it. >> paul, do i want to ask you about his style, about the president's style because this is what frustrates his critics. american craves decisiveness and leadership, and perhaps he was being honest in his answer yesterday, but we don't have a strategy yet doesn't sound like those things. >> to bomb syria. >> yes. >> he was asked a question. >> to deal with isis in syria. >> in syria. >> yes. >> the question was are you going to go to congress to attack syria, to bomb syria? he said we don't have plans to bomb syria yet. we may have to. >> to bomb isis positions in syria. >> in syria. >> sure. >> i just think -- it's a bum rap. he shouldn't have said it. it's a gaffe and why he had to send his press secretary out to cnn to use the word secretary 25 times in an interview. >> we do have that.

josh earnest did use strategy many times and let's hear how he tried to clarify the president's statement yesterday. >> right. >> what's clear is we have a comprehensive strategy for dealing with isil. the aspect of the strategy that is still being developed by the pentagon and that the president is discussing in the situation room at the white house right now is what sort of military options are available for using military force against isil in syria? those options are still being developed. >> okay. kevin, to you. did that clarify it for you, those options are still being developed. >> alisyn, any time you hear the president or a member of his administration say let's be clear or i'm about to be clear. they are never clear. that's one of the big problems. look, again, isis or isil has been a problem for a long time now. the fact that josh earnest is coming out and saying that the pentagon is in development stages of a strategy, i think the big political challenge here is that the president has is

that the american people expects that they are much further along in having a national comprehensive security strategy to deal with the threats there. >> paul, should they be further along at this point? >> i would rather measure twice and cut once. kevin is confusing the word strategy with military plans for an attack. this is a very war-weary country and the notion that we're just going to go invade, conquer and occupy yet another country is not going to sit well with the american people. i think -- i like it that this president is trying to be deliberative, but there is a strategy. it's not fair to say that. i read -- i watched the press conference. i read the transcript and he said this. let me say it again. first, we're going to protect our own. second, we're going to prevent these can a taft tis from happening like what was going to happen to the yezidis if we did not move n.third, we're trying to reconstitute a real iraq that will include sunnis so that sunnis will not have to go into isil and then, fourth, we're

trying to put all the regional players together. now, that's not america bearing the burden alone as we did under bush. that is actually i think a much more sensible and comprehensive strategy. >> paul begala and kevin madden, thanks so much for the debate. we'll talk to you both again. thanks so much. love to hear what you have to say. find me alisyncamerota on twitter. up next, an apparent russian invasion of ukraine. sanctions are not slowing president vladimir putin. plus, the teen phenom taking u.s. open by storm. how did she fare in her latest match? we'll have highlights coming up in our bleacher report. t's okay. because a fresh start awaits. with exciting worlds to explore, and challenges yet unmet, new friendships to forge, and old ones to renew. it's more than a job. and they're more than just our students.

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welcome back to "new day." new insight into that audio recording that allegedly captured the spray of gunshots that killed michael brown in ferguson, missouri. glide, that's the video chat service used to record this audio, confirms the audio was recorded right around the time of the shooting. now, listen to it again now and try to ignore the man who is speaking and listen to the shots

in the background. >> you are pretty. [ gunshots ] >> you're so fine. just going over some of your videos. how could i forget? >> so cnn cannot independently confirm whether the shots heard are from that incident. i want to bring in attorney and radio personality moe every and forensic scientist lawrence coburlilnski. lawrence, when you hear the shots in the background and hear the man speaking and the shots in the background, glide now saying when they look at a time stamp of that video from their internal records, from that time stamp, they can see it was right around that time. 12:02. what does that tell us about these gunshots? what does it tell us about the event? >> well, you know, if this eventually ends up in a courtroom this tape has to be deemed admissible, and in order for that to happen it has to be authenticated, and clearly it -- it needed to be time-stamped and this is what the cap was able to do. that's part of the process. we still need to know about the content, namely the shots, for

example, was it the same gun that fired all these shots. they have to authenticate the shots. the timing, of course, is really crucial because there was this three-second pause in between the first voland the second volley. the interpretation of that is very complex, very difficult. >> i'm sure. mo, which brings me to the interpretation of that. if you're a prosecutor or you're a defense you could spin that either way maybe. >> well, sure, and that's what's going to exactly happen, right? the prosecution is going to use it one way and, of course, defense is going to use it another. but all we have right now is the story from the eyewitnesses that talk about what happened to michael brown. we don't have a story from officer wilson. we don't have a report from the ferguson police department. we don't have any fbi investigation, so we don't really know what the other side of the story is, so all we can say right now is we have these five eyewitnesses that

corroborate that michael brown had his hands up when the second set of shots came, so that pause is crucial to putting together what at least the prosecution could present with what we know they have, and really that's all the information we have right now. >> lawrence, and every peeves information is just so scrutinized because there is no videotape. i mean, in this world of cell phone videos everywhere, this is really the only sound or only recording we have of this event. >> that's correct, and also the time line for everything involved with this case is going to become very important, and now we can hang our hat on a particular time mark. we know when the shots were fired. >> what is the fbi going to do, lawrence, to, i guess, recreate those shots and where they were taken and what -- how far away this house would have been where this was recorded? >> well, audio engineers at the fbi are going to be looking at spectrum. they are going to be looking at frequencies and ampitudes. in short, they will have to show that it was a semiautomatic that

fired .40 caliber ammunitions and they have to verify that this tape has the correct content and then it will be completely admissible in any courtroom. >> the man's voice you hear on that tape, he's so far stayed anonymous, but at some point do you think that he's not going to be anonymous anymore, he could actually be sort of a witness. >> oh, absolutely. i think that they will -- he already has an attorney who has made a statement, and i think his identity is only going to be coming forth very soon, as well as all of the witnesses. we don't even know the -- the fbi said that they interviewed over 200 -- you know, 300, 400 people i can't imagine that from those interviews that the prosecutor as well didn't interview many more people so i think there's going to be many witnesses. i think there's going to be a lot of information that we continue to find out about this case, and i think there's going

to be more people -- i mentioned the other day when i actually went to ferguson and stood in the canfield apartments, i realize how close the apartments are to the street, so there have to be many others that heard something or maybe even saw something. i don't know necessarily captured it on video, but i have to assume that there's going to be a lot more information that we'll find out as well as the identity of the people who are going to be giving it. >> mo, how important is this audio recording, i guess in the pantheon of all the different witness versions of events. how important is this sound going to be to verify what people say they saw? >> oh, it's going to be crucial. i mean, this might be very -- besides officer wilson's testimony, this may be one of the most crucial pieces of information because what this says is that there was a pause. you know, that's always been what the eyewitnesses on michael brown's side, the supporters have said, that there was a first set of shots, a pause and then he put his hands up. we now know there was a pause. we now -- >> i want to listen -- because i

think it's really important that you're bringing that up. let's listen to that audio one more time and ignore the man's voice. he's talking on a video shot and listen to the background noise. let's listen. >> you are pretty. [ gunshots ] >> you're so fine. just going over some of your videos. how could i forget? [ gunshots ] >> a pause in the middle and then firing again. the pause could be -- police are trained to shoot until there's not an advance. it could be that or it could be overkill. >> excessive. >> yes. >> we don't know. >> it's subject to interpretation. and, yes, it's consistent with what a police officer might do if he sensed that he was in imminent danger of harm or death. he would pause to see if the danger has been diminished. on the other hand, the other eyewitnesses, as mo just pointed out, would argue that three-second pause is related to michael brown turning around, putting his hands up and giving

up, so it could be explained that way, too. >> so 12 seconds of sound and what we also don't know is was there a shot before? >> good point. >> we don't know what happened right before this two particular bursts of gunfire. >> very good point. we know ten shots apparently were fired based on the tape. the magazine of the gun holds six rounds. we don't know if there was another round in the chamber. we don't know how many rounds were actually fired, even now. we need to look at the shell casings. >> sure. >> whether the shot was fired in the vehicle or not will come out either through a shell casing in the vehicle or gunshot residue analysis in the passenger compartment. >> sure. >> so there's still a lot we don't know. we don't even know if there's another videotape around to corroborate this one. >> right, right, but one thing -- it is important if there were other shots or whatever, but this case is really going to come down to that pause. what was the officer thinking in that pause? what was michael brown doing during that pause because it

turns on whether or not there was an excessive use of force or whether or not there was -- the officer was protecting himself from imminent danger. that is going to be the key issue. so i imagine all of the time line going up is going to be very important to make the jury understand what happened that night, but this case will come down to that pause. >> lawrence's last point. >> i don't think that pause can go either way. i don't think a decision can be made on guilt or innocence based on that three-second pause. >> we don't know what evidence they have gathered or where they are in the investigation. we don't even know what the version of events is from this police officer so a lot more to discover here. so nice to see both of you. have a wonderful weekend, both of you. >> thank you. next up on "new day," russia now questioning nato images that appear to show troops crossing into ukraine. what's the basis for denial, and can the u.s. do anything to slow vladimir putin?

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welcome back, russia's foreign minister is denying photos of nato troops inside of ukraine. armored tanks and artillery are shown crossing the border into ukraine. the international community is now again coming down on russia for what ukrainian officials,

but just ukrainian officials are calling an invasion. president obama threatening additional security measures against moscow but could new options besides sanctions be on table. want to bring in nicholas burns, former u.s. ambassador to nato and a professor at the harvard school for government and thanks so much for being with us. >> good morning. nato releasing these photos over the last 24 hours. really interesting imagery of columns of what appear to be tanks of russia coming into ukraine, self-propelled artillery. pretty heavy weaponry according to retired general james "spider" marks. when you look at these pictures, what do you see? >> well, there's no question that the russian government has put troops and sophisticated technology, missile defense systems and anti-aircraft systems into the ukraine and that the past 72 hours it's been the introduction of a greater number of russian troops that have really turned the tide of

the war in eastern ukraine so we're looking at a completely new situation. a brazen russian invasion of eastern ukraine. there's no other word to use it in international politics and what the russian foreign ministry is saying today is simply not true. >> apparently some people think there are other words than invasion because the president did not use it yesterday when he was given the opportunity. state department spokesman john psaki didn't want to call it an invasion. why do you think that there is this aversion to using the word invasion here at highest levels? >> i think one of the points that the president made yesterday, as i heard it in the press conference, was that this was just a continuation of what russia has been doing for many months and that's true. russia has been ferrying equipment and men into eastern ukraine for three months now. what's different is the scale of this. this is a much more substantial number of russian troops and of equipment. it's made a decisive impact on the war, and it does require a

response from the united states and from the nato allies who will be meeting, by the way, a week from today in cardiff and wales, so it's a time of testing for that nato alliance. >> it is a time of testing, and they will be meeting, as you say, a lot of very big decisions to make. help me out here, ambassador, because we've already issued sanctions on vladimir putin and on russia. if these sanctions have not stopped russia from invading using your words ukraine, then what good are they? >> well, the sanctions were quite tepid at the beginning and slightly stronger as of a month ago, but the united states and europe have not yet decided on major sanctions. on the kind of sanctions that we put on iran that were so effective. financial sanctions or sanctions against the russian energy sector. those would be very difficult sanctions because they hurt not just the russians, but certainly hurt some of the european economies. therefore, the reluctance in going for them, but that's the true test of the policy.

president putin runs an economy, a russian economy that's very much integrated with the western economy. he can't afford economic isolation so he's vulnerable to sanctions. does the west have the fortitude, the intestinal fortitude now to stand up to those types of sanctions because that's probably the only measure that can stop the russian government. president obama quite rightly has taken the use of nato military force off the table. we're not going to go to war with russia over ukraine. we shouldn't, so sanctions is really the weapon. the other thing that the united states and nato could do would be to provide sophisticated military and intelligence assistance to the ukrainian authorities so that they can protect their country. they are a sovereign state. they have the right to protect their country. president putin is violating that right, so those two measures, economic sanctions, stronger ones, and intelligence and military support i think are probably being considered. the question is will the united states and europe actually decide on them? >> it's interesting. i want to look backwards here

for a second because you say stronger sanctions are needed. is that you saying that the sanctions as they are not working? i'm asking this because the president says that they have seen evidence that these sanctions are hurting the russian government. christiane amanpour was on our show yesterday and saying to some extent these sanctions are working, are hurting russia and hurting vladimir putin. my question, again, what does it matter though if they are hurting to an extent if he's still invading? >> well, i think that's the right distinction to make. the sanctions have obviously had an impact in the russian stock market and in investor confidence and in the lack of investment in russia over the last several months so they are hurting, but they haven't had the decisive strategic impact that you want, and they haven't changed the behavior and strategy of president putin, and so the sanctions need to be tougher to drive up the cost to him to such an extent that he understands that the price is too high to pay for this outright escalation of the activities of his own military in eastern ukraine.

that's going to be the test to watch more next week when the nato leaders meet. chancellor merkel of germany, a very important leader, spoke yesterday of the possibility of new sanctions. president obama did not really speak to that pint, but it's clearly the next step that the western leaders have to consider >> you spoke about the possibility of providing more arms, greater intelligence and greater assistance to the ukraine and ukrainian military. what would be the aversion to doing that. why not do that? >> well, it puts the united states more directly not into the conflict but directly under a roll of support for the ukrainian government. there's no other way. if we intend to support the integrity of the ukrainian sovereignty it stands to reason we would want to give them the means to fight back against the russians and to control their own territory and to be able to police their own streets. the administration's been reluctant to take this, but i think there are people making

this suggestion poet in europe as well as in the united states. it's another big issue on the table for the nato leaders next week. if they don't do that, i think president putin has shown he's willing to go the extra mile. he's willing to raise the stakes here to make sure that he wins, and winning for putin is destabilizing eastern ukraine, weakening the ukrainian state so that it is in effect a state of russia that can't really exist without the russian government and it's a form international blackmail, if you will, but president putin. that's what he's trying to do, and it does need to be countered. >> we'll see what nato does next week. ambassador, great to have you with us. really appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> just one of the many events we're following this morning. there was a lot of news. let's get right to it. these extremists present a very direct threat. >> our strategy is much broader than just the use of military force. >> i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet.

>> let there be no doubt. it's the ukrainian military against the russian army. >> ukrainian military officials say it is a full-scale invasion. >> what russia called a humanitarian convoy, many others called a trojan horse. >> good morning, everyone, and welcome to "new day." it is friday, august 29th, 7:00 in the east. i'm alisyn camerota joined by john berman and christine romans. chris, kate and michaela are all off. the inmates are truly running the asylum here. >> al haig all around. >> we begin this hour with the white house rushing to clarify comments made by president obama on the fight against isis. the president says, quote, we don't have a strategy yet. the white house now says the president was only talking about isis in syria. that gaffe is providing fodder for obama's critics who are now

questioning his ability to fight isis. white house correspondent michelle kosinski joins us with the latest. hi, michelle. >> reporter: first there was an announcement there was going to be a big national security meeting in the situation room here at the white house, and then suddenly the president was going to give an address, so, of course, everybody is waiting thinking, oh, what is going to happen in syria? but the answer the president gave was to some surprisingly clear? >> the violence that's been taking place in syria has obviously given isil a safe haven there in ungoverned spaces. and in order for us to degrade isil over the long term, we're going to have to build a regional strategy, but i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. >> okay. so, of course, critics jumped all over that, the republican party tweeted out what is the obama strategy? to have no strategy, but the white house was just as quick to get out there and explain, the

press secretary paying a visit to cnn's "the situation room." >> the president was asked a specific question about what approach he was going to pursue when it came to possible military action in syria against isil. that was a specific question he was asked and the president was explicit that he's still waiting for plans that are being developed by the pentagon for military options that he has for going into syria. >> okay. so the pentagon is developing these options that will be presented to the president, but he made it clear that now the focus and priority is still very much on iraq, on making sure that isis didn't overrun iraq. the syria strategy that is forming, we now know, is much broader. the president said it will involve this regional and international coalition, longer term it's going to have to involve some stability, at least to some extent, for syria, so, okay, that tells you it looks like that's going to take some time. that said the president also

mentioned that it would involve a military component but we have to say it wasn't completely clear if he was talking about syria there or if he was talking about the longer-term strategy involving both iraq and syria. he did say though that this would involve consultation with congress and didn't want to go so far as to say he would ask congress' permission if there was to be a military decision to be made regarding syria. does that make sense, alisyn? >> sort of. it sounds like there's a lot that's still ambiguous but you've done a good job explaining it. >> reporter: i'm hearing myself explaining it saying wait a minute, i hope that makes sense. >> michelle kosinski, thanks so much. >> reporter: thanks. >> troubling reports this morning about the treatment of american hostages held by isis, including james foley. "washington post" reported cited unnamed sources saying several captives were water boarded several times by isis, following the technique to get some

information from terror suspects. more live from northern iraq with more. good morning. >> reporter: well, john, as you mentioned, that article in the "washington post" claiming that american journalist james foley works we saw brutally executed in that video last week, was wat waterboarded during the early part of his captivity. aard cording to the "washington post" anonymous sources who they say were privy to the conditions that he was held in and the experience that he went through under isis. now, we also know from the french journalist who was held with him, didier francois, that foley was singled out and received much more physical abuse than the other hostages and was also the subject of a mock execution. now the white house has refused to confirm this story out of sensitivity to the families involved, not just james foley

but also to the families of other hostages currently being held by isis, but they certainly say that every single hostage is at risk under -- under the brutal control of this group and they appeal to isis to release the american hostages as well as other hostages being held by this terrorist organization. john? >> tough to hear but important to hear given that's what the people in iraq and syria are up against right now and what the u.s. might come up against more in the coming days and weeks. anna coren in irbil, thanks very much. russia's foreign minister deifying accusations that russian troops crossed into ukraine, this despite nato satellite images that appear to show troops over the border, not to mention a huge. a equipment fighting alongside the rebels. vladimir putin now with a direct appeal to rebels to allow safe passage for ukrainian troops out of southeast ukraine. this as the world asks how 1,000 russian soldiers did can apparently join the rebel fight and no one is responsible.

barbara starr live at the pentagon with more. good morning, barbara. >> reporter: good morning, john. i've just spoken to a nato official who tells me the alliance is on watch for what he calls further russian incursions into ukraine and an intensifying of the fighting there. now the estimate, again, as we reported here on "new day," some 2,000 russian troops having crossed the border into various parts of ukraine, engaging and fighting there, so what about those satellite photos? the russian foreign minister suggesting perhaps that those are photos that came from computer games. well, nato says, no. those photos are real proof of russian weapons inside ukraine. they are in areas where there are no ukrainian military forces, so whose are they? that's the russian point of view. right now president obama suggesting in that white house press conference there is no u.s. military option for the ukrainian situation, but ukraine

saying today that it wants to join nato and, of course, that would raise the bar significantly. once ukraine would be a member of nato the u.s. and other nato members would have that military responsibility to come to their defense. but the first step may come at nato summit next week. one of the things that we know is that the nato military part of the alliance is going to seek permission to really step up the nato rapid response force. these are nato troops, including u.s. troops in europe on standby all the time if there was to be a crisis, if russia was to make a move against a nato member like poland perhaps. now, they want to step up their activities and have them on alert ready to move within hours instead of their current status that they are ready to move within days. a signal to moscow that nato is serious, but no new action, no new decisions at this point. john? >> right, the question, is barbara, will they send more than just signals? barbara starr at the pentagon for us.

thank you so much alisyn. >> joining us to discuss the administration's strategy or lack thereof is democratic senator of rhode island jack reed. good morning, senator. >> good morning. >> let's start with the president's comments about fighting isis in syria. he said, quote, i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. do you think he should have admitted that? >> well, i think the president was very specific, the context was operations in syria against isis. he has in fact demonstrated a strategy of protecting american interests, air strikes in iraq, direct hits against isis, working with regional powers to -- to try to develop a better government in baghdad and we hope with a new prime minister that there's going to be progress there. this is a long-term evidence, and what the president is signalling is he's still looking

at options that might include operations within syria, and when those operations clarify, if he needs congressional authority, he'll come to us, but his first and primary strategy is one he's pursued vigorously which is attacking isis if they threaten the rights. >> of course. but we also know there are isis strongholds in syria. it's taken some provinces in syria so it appears isis must be addressed in syria. if you were advising the president, would you recommend air strikes in syria? >> well, i would recommend beginning to develop the kind of detailed intelligence that he is to -- we don't want to replicate some of the mistakes we made in 2002 and 2003 when we made assumptions. we had in fact it turned out to be erroneous and then took military action. we want to be very careful and deliberate in this. we also want to do it on a regional effort. just can't be the united states. it has to be the entire region,

and i think, first, what you want to do is identify the command and control elements and then the lines of communication. i would think also, too, some targets that would be available and struck more readily would be within iraq so you could put pressure on isis and iraq, and, of course, that's with the existing permission of the iraqi government. >> sure. >> but there are many steps that we have to do. >> but it does sound like we know that they are operating in part out of syria, so when it comes to syria, should we strike isis positions in syria? >> well, they are obviously operating in syria, but the question is what is the most effective way to begin to degrade them and ultimately to destroy them, and how do we do that on a regional basis and how do we do that on an effective basis? those decisions are going to be based, i hope, on careful intelligence, not just sort of a reflexive use of military force

as some have argued. that's what the president is doing right now. again, also, part of what we would like to do is not commit american ground forces but to try to develop on-the-ground forces that are able to assist us. our air power is very decisive. >> when you say on-the-ground forces, do you mean u.s. on-the-ground forces? >> well, i think, yes. i think, you know, we want to be very careful in any type of commitment of u.s. forces on the ground. and one of the reasons why we've been recently successful around irbil is because we were able to provide air power, but the kurdish forces were quite capable once they had air power of pushing back isis. recapturing the dams and beginning to move forward so this effort right now i think in particular, the president's comments yesterday, were a reflection of what we should be doing which is coming up with a careful approach that is regional in nature, that

emphasizes our strength, air power and striking from over the horizon and mobilizing forces on the ground to engage and ultimately defeat isis. >> senators, you talked about what went on in 2002 and 2003 with the iraq war. it's interesting, you were one of only 23 senators who opposed the war in iraq. you did not think at that time that saddam hussein was an imminent threat. do you believe today that isis is an imminent today to the u.s.? >> well, i think you have to begin analysis with the worst case frankly, and that's what the president is doing now and his national security team. what are the capabilities and intentions of isis? what can they do? and you start off with the assumption to protect the american homeland, let's accuse the worst case and then let's look at and verify what they can do, how we can prevent them from taking these types of actions. i think what we saw in 2002 and 2003 was more of an ideological

get some evidence that suggests that they might be a danger to us and then just go forward. that's not the approach, and i think we've learned from that experience, and a lot of what's being done today is a much more careful evaluation of the actual capacity and the actual threat to isis. i would not dismiss isis as some type of, you know, just aberration or strictly local phenomenon. i think we have to treat them first cut as a very capable and very potentially dangerous force. >> so given what you know, do you think that today they are an imminent threat to the homeland? >> i think as demonstrated by their actions they were certainly an imminent threat to our interests in irbil, our interests in baghdad with our huge embassy complex, and in that case the president had no choice but to take military action. i think what we have to develop

now is sort of a more detailed analysis whether they have the capacity to exploit and export their terrorist activities beyond the region. >> yeah. >> and that's being done around the clock today. >> we know you'll be meeting with president obama later today. what will you be discussing? >> first a welcome to rhode island and second i'm sure we'll touch on these issues, not just the issue with isis and syria and others but also the issue of ukraine which we're talking about, too. very challenging, this is a time where we have to be very careful, very thoughtful and leading to decision. i mean, this is not just putting things off. it's making sure we make decisions based on fact and hard policy on the ground. >> yes. >> not just our best wishes and thoughts. >> yes, of course. >> and our ideology and slogans. >> we'll look forward to hearing what comes of this meeting. senator jack reed, thanks so

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the -- >> remember, they had some very sophisticated air defense systems that shot down that plane. that was sent in by the russians. aged so i've got to really now figure out what are the next steps, what are the options. the alliance is going to look

for the united states and remain the options. >> what do you think the options should be besides sanctions at this point? >> well, i believe there are. i think we need to be able to beef up what we've had in terms of weaponry and enable it to defend itself. i think we have to be very careful about in the air defense area the -- because russia has brought in some very sophisticated equipment. can we help the ukraines counter some of that? so i think it's going to take not just u.s. but nato resolve here to demonstrate that europe does not include russia meddling into the affairs and invading other countries? >> russia already has invaded other countries, at least according to many people looking at situation right now, perhaps looking at those nato images of some 1,000 russian troops are

heavy armored equipment inside ukraine at this point. russia have a very powerful military. is there any assistance that you can give them, the ukrainians, that could counter russian movements if russia intends to keep its troops there? >> not really. remember, now, ukraine is not what we call an article 5 country. they are not of the 28 nations of nato, so they don't fall under that guarantee. but they do fall under a proposal that we had called the partnership for peace which talks about respect for the territorial integrity of other countries, and that is being violated. i don't think we're going to go to war with russia over ukraine. i believe we need to really take some steps to isolate russia in the international community for what it is doing. this is unacceptable behavior in the 21st century, and we ought to call it that in the

international forum that we're involved in. that includes the united nations and the g-8 and other things like that. >> there's no possibility of u.s. military action in ukraine. the president made that clear yesterday in his news conference. he also said something yesterday which has caused a lot of smoke and fire here in the united states. he's said there is no strategy yet for dealing with isis in syria. i want to move away from the political debate about that for a second and look at the military implications of that statement. what does that send? what signal does that send to the isis militants whom you might be fighting at some weeks or months from now to say that we don't have a plan yet. we're not going to be bombing today, tomorrow or next week and we're going to take our time here. did that give them a window? >> i don't believe it gives them a window. there is some -- to be prudent here about how to -- how to go to war by the united states against isis which is not even a recognized state. so i -- i think that there is a

reluctance here to lay out all the -- all the strategy right now without understanding what that entails. for example, syria has a very sophisticated air defense system. if we're going to really do air strikes in syria, that has to be taken into consideration, and isis is challenging the regime. it's the enemy of the regime in syria, and how do we sort all of that out? i think we need to have clarity here of what that mission is, what it is before you start sending an air strikes or troops. what is the clarity here of what the end state is that we want to achieve? we didn't do that in iraq or afghanistan or in vietnam. we've got to do it if we're going to get involved again. >> do you think the president is doing it so far? >> not yet. i don't think -- when he says we don't have a strategy.

no strategy is a strategy, and i think, you know, that is waffling a little bit in my opinion, and i think the senior military leadership, i know, are working their butts off here trying to get the sort of options before the president that he could then really get before his advisers and before the nato alliance. this is a very important time for the president of the united states to lead and that's what's going to be required. >> having been in that type of situation before, one of those generals providing advice, does it burn them to hear the president get up and say there's no strategy yet? >> i don't think so. i know the leadership at the joint chiefs level and i know they are work hard to provide those options, but what is militarily possible may not be politically possible, and that's the balance you have to get in a democracy and that is what i think is taking place, and congress plays a role in all of

that, as well as the president. >> general george allen, great to have you with us. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> new details about a second american jihadist killed fighting for isis. we're learning more about what may have led him now down that fateful path. stay with us.

we're learning more about another american killed fighting alongside isis. the family of abdirahmaan muhumed said he was killed over the weekend in minnesota. friends of the minnesota father of fine are trying to figure out what caused him to join the

terror front. ted rowlands is live here now with more. >> reporter: mohammed is the latest in a growing number of young men from the state of minnesota to go fight overseas for extremist groups. he joins a group that includes two men that met in high school. according to the friend abdirahmaan muhumed is the latest so-called minnesota martyr, an american giving up his life to fight with the ruthless terrorist group isis. >> he was well known in the community and for somewhere down the road he changed allegiance to a different set of philosophies. >> reporter: muhamed was killed in syria where he was fighting along with another american jihadist from minneapolis, douglas mccain. while it is still unclear how long he knew muhumed he knew him in this terrorist training video very well. >> if you only knew how much fun we have over here.

this is a real disneyland. come here and troy us. >> reporter: troy castigar and douglas mccain were high school friends, castigar died in 1999 fighting with al shabaab in  toçó 9p xplain how her son and dougl mccain went from basketball team bud toys terrorists. >> there was likeñr wanting to have a -- you know, wanting to have açó purpose and wanting toe a valuable human being and not explaining that and then, you know, some of the things that they were told were lied, and i think they felt like they could go help some people who needed help. >> the fear that a minnesota terror recruit will some day attack america is a real concern for the fbi. they are investigating exactly how isis has been able to recruit. >> how are people being radicalized? what methods are being used? and what are the logistics

behind the travel of some of these young men? >> and alisyn, the fbi here in minnesota estimates that a handful ofñi other young men fr the minneapolis-st. paul area are overseas in syria fighting for isis alisyn. >> ted, fascinating to hear from that mom talk about her son wanting to find a purpose. it seems like that is a critical piece of this puzzle. >> yeah. >> ted, thanks so much. >> christine romans in for michaela for some of the day's other top stories. >> thanks, guys. a look at the headlines. a possible recording of the gunshots that killed michael brown has been matched to the time of the shooting. the makers of glide, a video chat program, say the recording was made at 12:02 p.m. authorities in israel now confirm a body found in a forest near jerusalem is that of missing american aaron sofer. the 23-year-old disappeared last

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offshore. down to moderate further down to the south on the atlantic but all of that will be improving as we head towards sunday and monday. kind of a quick cheat sheet. still a lot of showers as we go through the holiday weekend. worst spot the plains and the midwest as we go through about sunday. see a storm that's bringing a threat for severe weather. otherwise day by day, what are we looking at. scattered showers each day. a little bit cool for the start in the northeast. temperatures there in the 70s and warming up as you go through the weekend. in the south, more showers as you get through about sunday or so and sunday in through monday looking at showers starting to spread into the northeast. meanwhile, the temperatures are climbing there as well. first half of the weekend good in the northeast and midwest not really great, the first half isn't so great. first half kind of bad, second half kind of bad. >> at least you don't have to go to work this weekend. >> i'm actually going to work. >> for you. >> and maybe a couple other million people. >> yeah. >> all of us, but a soggy

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the violence that's been taking place in syria givingñi isil safe haven in isolated spaces, and in order for us to degrade isil over the long term we have to develop a regional strategy but i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. >> surprising words, some say, from president obama in a news conference. he says the administration has not developed a strategy yet to deal with the terror group isis in syria. what did he mean by that? let's ask the spokesman for the pentagon, rear admiral john kirby. admiral kirby, thanks so much for being here. >> thanks for having me, alisyn.

good to be with you. >> what does president obama mean when he says no strategy yet? >> the president was responding to a specific question about possible military options and action against isil in syria, and the planning options that he expects the pentagon and the leadership here to provide him, and we're still working on those options and still working those plans and that's what we're referring to. obviously we have a strategy to deal with isil in iraq. we've been executing that strategy for a number of weeks, including boosting their military presence, our aid and support to the iraqi security forces, flying extra surveillance flights, and we've been executing that strategy now for quite some time. >> okay. so the president is waiting for you at the pentagon, and your colleagues to come up with some options. what's taking you so long? >> we're working at this very, very hard, alisyn, i can assure you. we understand the threat that isil poses, not just to iraq and not just to the syrian people but also to the region, and we are -- we're continually working on that, but planning something this building does all the time, for all manner of contingencies and planning you want to do

deliberately and carefully, and you want to make sure that you provide the commander in chief a broad range of options across a spectrum of military operations, not just air strikes, and so that's what we're working on. >> here's what general dempsey, chairman of the joint chiefs, said in a statement about taking action in syria against isis. listen. >> can they be defeated without addressing that part of their organization which resides in syria? the answer is no. that will have to be addressed on both sides of what is essentially at this point a nonexistent border. >> okay. he said they cannot be defeated without attacking them on some level in syria. by the way, that was august 21st. that was eight days ago. what more needs to be addressed? >> the chairman said it can only be -- dealt with by attacking. he said addressing, and what he went on to say in that press conference was that it needs to be more than just a military response. the president said this yesterday. there has to be a political solution here.

there has to be economic solutions here. you have to get a good governance in iraq and syria and what the chairman was referring to was not simple police military air strikes in syria. are those the kinds of things that we're planning and thinking about? of course we are. we have to do that. that's our job, but the approach to isil in the region is going to take a much more comprehensive approach than that. >> and everyone understands that it's complicated, and everyone understands that it will be a herculean effort by the u.s. and the coalition, and no one wants to rush in before they are ready, but what critics of the administration say is that it's been months, that actually the administration and the pentagon have had many months to see the buildup of isis and the brutal nature of isis and the slaughtering of innocents that they have done, so why has it taken so long? >> well, you're right. we have been tracking isil and their movements, their growth, their development for months. though we were a little surprised with the speed with which they captured towns and facilities up in the north of iraq a couple of months ago. certainly we've been tracking this organization for quite some

time, but it's complicated, and it's going to take a regional approach and it's going to take partners. the other thing that really matters a lot is a solid iraqi government, and there wasn't one, and the maliki government is to blame -- a large part toe to move in so quickly because they didn't keep a security force that was trained and ready and competent to the threat because they fired competent generals and put incompetent generals in place of them so it's going to take -- going to take a little time here and you have to have good partners in the country. >> let's talk about what's going on in ukraine this morning. is there a russian invasion under way? >> well, what we see happening today is what we've been watching happening, again, for months. i mean, this is just a continuation of russia continually -- continually violating the territorial integrity of ukraine and escalating the tensions and this

is nothing more than a continuation of what they have been doing. >> increasing their presence, what is u.s. going to do that? >> we'll continue to work with our nato partners and working with the ukrainian government. there won't be a military solution here. we're continuing to provide assistance to the ukrainian armed forces and will do that and we'll consult with nato allies and partners. >> what is that assistance to kiev and the ukrainian partners will look like? >> the assistance has been on the non-lethal side. it's been supportive of their general military efforts and ability to sustain themselves, and i think that that will obviously continue. >> does the administration consider what's happening there today an invasion? >> we're not focused on whether you call it an invasion or an incursion. what's more important to us is what they are actually doing and more important than that, what they have been doing.

this is a continuation of behavior by moscow and by russian forces to violate the territorial integrity of ukraine, to escalate the violence, to cause violence inside eastern ukraine and that's the focus. the focus on getting them to stop the activity that they have been doing for months now, and we're not putting a label on it >> at miller kirby, we know you're busy. appreciate you taking time for us this morning. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me, alisyn. >> next on "new day," joan rivers is in the hospital this morning. she went into cardiac arrest during routine surgery. what went wrong? we'll get a live update on her condition straight ahead. ♪ sweet, sweet st. thomas nice ♪ so nice, so ni-i-i-ce ♪ st. croix, full of pure vibes ♪ ♪ so nice, so ni-i-i-ce ♪ st. john, a real paradise ♪ so nice, so ni-i-i-ce ♪ proud to be from the virgin islands ♪ ♪ and the whole place nice to experience your virgin islands nice, book one

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under fire, the white house in damage control this morning after president obama suggested the white house does not have a strategy for dealing with isis in syria. this morning, the white house pushing back. the president's chief spokesman joins us live. breaking overnight, russia denying that these nato satellite images showing russian troops crossing into ukraine are real. they say they might be from a video game. this as the fighting rages on. we're live with the latest. speaking out, hillary clinton weighs in on the michael brown shooting, this as cnn obtains new evidence that helps verify the audio allegedly of the very moment michael brown was shot. we have the latest. your "new day" continues right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

>> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> good morning, welcome to "new day." it is friday, august 29th, 8:00 in the east. i'm john berman. >> and i'm alisyn camerota along with christine romans. chris, kate and michaela have fled the building and we are in charge. >> we begin this hour with the white house in damage control, after the comment from president obama when he was talking about the fight against isis, he surprised a lot of people by saying "we don't have a strategy yet." now his spokesman later clarified the president was only talking about isis in syria, but the remark has a lot of people talking and asking what the strategy is. we'll speak with the president's spokesman in just a moment but first the white house correspondent michelle kosinski joins us with the latest, busy morning there, michelle. >> everybody was kind of waiting here with bated breath.

first the big national security team meeting in the situation room here and suddenly the president was going to speak, everybody wondering okay, what is going to happen in syria? but the answer the president gave was to some surprisingly clear that we are just not there yet. >> i directed secretary hagel and our joint chiefs of staff to prepare a range of options. >> reporter: another address by the president. there have been many lately, but it was these words regarding syria that many were not expecting. >> i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. >> reporter: his critics quick to pounce. the republican party tweeting what's the obama strategy in to have no strategy. ukraine, isis, russia. but the white house was eagerly quick to explain, the press secretary coming to cnn's "the situation room." >> the commotion those words generated was enormous. so go ahead and tell us what the president precisely was remembering to.

>> he was referring to military options for striking isil in syria. those options are still being developed by the pentpentagon. the president has been clear for months who our comprehensive strategy is for cor fronting the isil strategy in iraq. >> reporter: that is true, clear and careful, some say to the point of being too slow. u.s. air strikes are still presented as being for the primary purpose of protecting american personnel, then supporting iraqis and adding a humanitarian component. the president still repeatedly emphasizes the need for a unified iraqi government so that country can solve its own problems. >> and the options that i'm asking for from the joint chiefs focuses primarily on making sure that isil is not overrunning iraq. >> reporter: but the terrorist spread has been fast and furious. the white house's view of the syria component is more deliberate. >> it is not simply a military issue, it's also a political

issue, it's also an issue that involves all the sunni states in the region and sunni leadership, recognizing that this cancer that has developed is one that they have to be just as invested in defeating as we are. >> reporter: but he did say a long-term strategy will involve a military aspect. what will not? the situation in ukraine. and the u.s. will not call russia's latest moves an invasion, even though some in ukraine are. >> i think it is very important to recognize that a military solution to this problem is not going to be forthcoming. >> that was michelle kosinski, our thanks to her. we want to go back to the white house. joining us now white house press secretary josh earnest. josh, thanks so much for being with us this morning. >> good morning, john. >> let me read you a couple of the headlines in the papers and the web today dealing with the president's press conference yesterday. o "obama's strategy misfire"

were politico. "why obama's we don't have a strategy gaffe sings" from "the washington post." "obama confesses with he don't have a strategy for islamic state" "washington times." josh, are you happy with the headlines this morning? >> well, john, what's important for people to understand is the president laid out very clearly in his news conference yesterday that we do have a comprehensive strategy for dealing with isil. what the president is still waiting on are military options being developed by the professionals at the department of defense for possible military strikes against isil in syria, but when it comes to our strategy for dealing with isil in iraq, the president's been clear about what that strategy is and it starts with pushing iraq's political leaders to take the kinds of steps that are necessary to form an inclusive government to unite that country to counter the flet posed by isil in their country. the united states is no longer going to be in a position under this commander in chief to be

responsible for the security situation in iraq. we're going to support the iraqi people so they can take responsibility for providing for security in their own country. >> so josh, you say the president was saying that what we don't have yet is a comprehensive strategy for dealing with isis or isil as you say in syria, but we do have one in iraq. here's the thing. isis has been in syria for quite a long time. how can you have a comprehensive strategy for dealing with isis at all if it doesn't include syria? >> well, because john what the situation is simply is this. military action is one component of a broader strategy. the president authorized military action against isil in iraq. the president has not at this point authorized military action against isil in syria. those plans are currently under development by the defense department. the president is not going to authorize military action in syria without a plan and before we're ready but what we have been engaged in for quite some time is implementing a

comprehensive strategy for dealing with isil that starts with putting together an iraqi government that can unite the country to confront that threat. it includes supporting training and equipping iraqi and kurdish security forces so that they can take the fight to isil on the ground in their country. it includes engaging regional governments who have a clear interest, a clear vested interest in making sure that isil can't wreak havoc and perpetrator itible acts of violence in their backyard. it involves the president of the united states to engage world leaders to unite the world against this threat and includes the president authorizing military strikes in iraq to protect american personnel to avert humanitarian disasters and to try to mitigate the terror threat that isil poses. so the president has implemented a comprehensive strategy. the president talked about all of this at the beginning of his news conference yesterday. the one thing that we have not yet determined is exactly what the smartest path is in terms of pursuing a military strategy in

syria against isil. that continues to be an open question. the president was asked yesterday whether or not congressional authorization would be required before authorizing or before ordering military strikes in syria, and that's when the president said we don't have a strategy yet and that's because we don't yet have plans. we don't yet have military options in terms of striking isil in syria, that's what the president described as putting the cart before the horse. >> so josh, if the united states does have a comprehensive strategy for dealing with isis, despite whatever the president said, whatever words he chose to use yesterday, if if the united states does have a comprehensive strategy, is it now working? we've seen reporter james foley beheaded last week by isis. we've seen many syrian troops in the video released by isis massacred over the last serl days. they just took over an airbase in northern syria, they're still operating albeit perhaps on the run but is this comprehensive

strategy you say the white house has, is it working? >> well, john, if. you take a look at exactly what's happened over the last serl weeks you can see we've made important progress, because of the military action that the president authorized, we prevented a humanitarian disaster at sinjar mountain where there were some religious and ethnic minorities that had been cornered by isil. those individuals have been freed. in the last few weeks isil was aggressively making an advance on erbil, because of the military strikes the president authorized that advance did not happen. because of the american support for iraqi and kurd ush forces they were able to retake mosul dam from isil, and on the political front we've seen the iraqi political leaders start to make some of the difficult decisions. prime minister maliki stepped away from the process and in his place another shiite candidate

assumed the reins as prime minister of the country and they've set about the hard work of forming a cabinet so they can have the kind of inclusive government that will be required to unite that country to face the threat. if you look at the last three weeks or so, john, those four important things have happened and that is evidence that this strategy that the president has put in place is making progress to try to mitigate the threat that's posed by this situation but there's no question there's a lot more work to do and we are engaged in a strategy to continue it. >> did the president just announce to isis leaders that he has no intention to strike them with military action in syria in the next few days or weeks? >> the president made clear that he is not going to authorize military action in syria before there is a good plan in place for dealing with the military options that we have in syria. so i don't know what kind of message this sends to isil. i know it sends a clear message toer around the world and to the american people that the president is not going to go off

and order military action in syria without a very specific plan for what that action is going to look like and what we hope to accomplish. >> with all due respect, josh -- >> once a plan is in place the president will reserve the right to take that action to protect the american interests and to protect the american people. >> with all due respect i think the fact you're still out this morning talking about it shows that it wasn't exactly a clear message that was sent on syria, but it i don't want to let you go -- >> with all due respect, john, anybody who looked at the news conference and looked at the. 's opening remarks saw clearly he laid out this strategy so you're welcome to focus on whatever aspect of the news conference you would like, but if you want to actually understand what the president's trying to communicate, i would encourage you to take a close look at his words. >> we have and we would like to talk about strategy going forward and we have and we do appreciate you being here to discuss that. i also want to talk about what's going on in ukraine right now. >> sure. >> the president was asked about this yesterday. what do you make -- i want to ask you, because i think you'll get a kick out of this, the foreign minister of russia,

sergey lavrov, talked about the images nato released over the last 24 hours which show tanks moving in to ukraine which show artillery in ukraine. he said these could be images from computer games. are they from computer games, josh? >> well you have to check with nato about the images they released but what we have seen over the last several weeks is very clear evidence that russia has continued to allow weapons, materiel, and even troops to cross from the border between russia and ukraine from russia into ukraine, and that is evidence of russia inappropriately and in a way that flouts international norms interfering with an independent nation, that is the nation of ukraine. this is something that the president has criticized in very strong terms, and what the president also has united the international community to send a very clear message to russia

that this is something that the international community will not tolerate and that is why these sanctions have been put in place, it's put a significant toll on the russian economy in terms of their weakening currency. we've seen a significant curtailment in terms of the economic projections for russia's economic growth. we've seen significant capital flight from russia. russia's continu russia russia's continued efforts to interfere in ukraine have put costs on the economy and the president is travel to europe next week, he'll be meeting with our nato allies to discuss what more can and should be done to make it clear to president putin that the international community will not abide their flagrant violation of iraq's territorial integrity. >> josh, you said the sanctions had a significant cost to russia. the president yesterday said the sanctions have been effective. what does it matter if they've had a significant cost if russia

is still sending troops and heavy weaponry and tanks and artillery over the border and according to the ukrainians invading ukraine. >> obviously vladimir putin has some difficult choices to make. right now he is continuing to pursue a course of action that opens up his country and his economy to even greater economic costs. these are decisions that he'll have to make. right now the international community remains united in standing up for the territorial integrity of the nation of ukraine, and making sure that we're sending a clear message to vladimir putin and to russia that the international community cannot abide the flagrant violation of the territorial integrity of an independent nation. >> that territorial integrity may have already been impeded on. josh earnest, thank you so much. i really do appreciate you coming in and talking to us this morning. >> sure, john, thank you for the opportunity. >> we'll talk soon. let's get to christine for the rest of the headlines. >> here are the top stories we're watching this morning. erts under way to free dozens of u.n. peacekeepers detained by

militants in syria. 43 of them held near syria's border with israel following a rebel takeover of that space this week. another 81 personnel trapped in the surrounding area. the peacekeepers are from the philippines and fiji. the dire ebola situation in west africa is getting worse. the world health organization says the outbreak could infect as many as 20,000 people. the u.n. health agency unveiled a new road map for containing the virus. scientists are trying to fast track efforts to find a treatment or vaccine as an experimental test gets under way next week. the nfl announces a tougher policy now on players who commit domestic violence. the league commissioner roger goodell admits his two-game suspension for baltimore ravens star ray rice for beating his fiance was too lenient. under the new policy, players will be suspended for six games for a first offense, two-time offenders would face a lifetime ban. miley cyrus's date at the

music video awards turned himself to police in oregon. he made a splash with his plea for homeless youth but turns out an arrest warrant was issued for him for failing to check in with his parole officer after a criminal trespass conviction. he faces a year in jail for violating his parole. >> interesting are that story. >> i see a future in modeling or acting. >> what are you suggesting? >> i believe he'll have a bit part on some sitcom coming up within six months. >> you're saying he's a handsome young man. >> and he's friends with miley cyrus, i think it's going to come together for the formerly homeless young man. vladimir putin comparing ukrainians to nazis after russian troops appeared to cross into ukraine but at least one member of the russian government doesn't support all these tactics. we'll speak with him right after the break. plus the ebola pandemic expected to get worse in west africa. dr. sanjay gupta weighs in on the outbreak and new measures to

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nato says satellite images show russian troops fighting in eye kraun by moscow says the images are fake from computer games. this is the latest in a trend we've seen for months, world leaders level accusations against russia and moscow denies them. at least one member of russia's government does not support the

tactics. ilya ponemora is the only one to vote against the annexation of crimea and to be critical of putin. thanks for joining us mr. ponemar an. >> good morning, thanks for having me. >> ukrainian officials say they're experiencing an invasion by russian troops and equipment. is russia invading ukraine? >> you know, i think yes, unfortunately. at least it's very clear that our troops are there, and now across russia, we are witnessing first casualties, dead bodies which are returning from ukraine. our ministry of defense tries to hide it and there are secret funerals but there are a lot of media leaks and people are discussing that there are dead troopers returning home. >> we appreciate your candor about this. it's been hard to get to the

actual facts about what's happening on the ground. what do you think vladimir putin's plan is with this action? >> you know he i think wants to try to start negotiations with the west. i think he mounts up the heat to make west more susceptible for potential talks, and he wants crimea to be out of question, so he wants the situation in ukraine to be as heated as possible there so there will be negotiations about the fate of eastern ukraine rather than crimea. >> it's an interesting tactic and strategy that he uses. he wants to engage the west, he wants more talks yet the west considers leveling more sanctions. so what's going to happen here? >> you know, his logic is a logic of a person who grew up in a very common neighborhood in the yards, you know, in a more mafia type environment, so he

thinks that west responds only to brute force, and he tries to apply as much brute force as possible, mounting up the heat every day and i think that the only sensible tactics in this situation is not to follow his plot and not to agree what he offers. >> what's the story inside russia? what are everyday russians thinking and saying about what's going on in ukraine? >> you know, for common russians, we are restoring our national dignity. we russians, as americans, we have mission. like americans promote freedom across the world in syria and iraq and in other places, at least what you think you do, and we think that we promote free t doment in ukraine because our media tells us every day that in ukraine pro-fascist, pro-nazi government and europeans sponsoring a fascist coup in kiev so we are liberating

ukraini ukrainians. we are protecting ukrainians themselves even against their own will. >> interesting. we've also heard there's this nationalistic fervor, as you're describing in russia, that has taken root recently in fact. president putin just last month had in a gallop poll an 83% job approval rating. how can you argue with what he's doing? >> no, i think that genuine numbers and that's exactly what i am saying. russians believe that at last we are back to the fight for freedom for democratic values, not democratic as it's been understood in the west but like we understand it, and that's the same thing why joseph stalin is so popular in russia still because he defeated fascism and russians can forgive him for all the repressions inside the country for liberating the world from the threat of fash imand we

think that fascism is resurrecting itself in ukraine right now. so majority of russians would take all the toll that has been associated with sanctions, all the toll just to fight the fascism in ukraine. >> but as we've said you were against the annexation of crimea. how do you feel about what's going on in ukraine? >> i think it's all forged. yes, the current government of ukraine is very much neo-liberal and nationalistic, and that's an alliance which is not close to my personal political belief, because i am more on the left side of the political spectrum, but at the end of the day, that is a choice of majority of ukrainians right now, and i think that putin is just trying to cover his own defeat in kiev, when he was supporting former president yanukovic who had to flee the country. putin wanted to disguise this defeat. of course i voted against

because as a result we are facing this huge humanitarian tragedy. we are facing a lot of casualties among the civilians, among our own troopers, and the relationship with our brethren nations of ukrainians is spoiled for years to come. >> mr. ponomarev, with he see you are in boston speaking out today. what happens when you go home? is it safe for you to be so candid at home? >> you know, it doesn't matter for me whether it's safe or not safe because i say what i say, and i want to fight for my values and i don't want to budge, because you know, somebody thinks that i should keep quiet. last week they had frozen all my bank accounts for some false accusations and they are limiting my right to travel internationally, but you know, that's the society we are living in. we have to face it. >> mr. pnomarev, we applaud you. thank you for your candor and for sharing it with us this

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nobody wants to see our streets look like a war zone, not in america. we are better than that. we can do better. we cannot ignore the inequities that persist in our justice system, inequities that undermine our most deeply held values of fairness and equality. >> that was hillary clinton weighing in on the shooting of michael brown, discussing the scenes on the streets of ferguson that followed that tragedy. her comments came three weeks after brown was shot. did she wait too long to take a stand >> here to shed light on this and much more, maggie haberman, senior political reporter for politico. maggie, not only does this come three weeks after the shooting but some time after hillary clinton had a book signing on long island dodged or evaded

questions about this. she had an answer prepared yesterday. >> she did, and her team's answer as to why this happened yesterday, this was her first formal public appearance, proper public appearance as opposed to the book signing which i attended where she ignored two questions that were asked of her, not shouted but asked pretty close proximity. there has been some pressure for her to speak, most of that pressure came from the reverend al sharpton who suggested that both she and jeb bush and chris christie on the right should not get laryngitis about this issue. there's another school of thought among democrats there will little that could be helped in this situation by having another politician go in front of a camera or issue a statement so she has gotten criticism for waiting too long. i do think there is something of a daned if she does, damned if she doesn't problem here. >> maggie can we parse what she said? it was hardly going out on a limb. she was barely taking a stand. "nobody wants to see our streets look like a war zone." fair enough, i think everybody could agree with that. "not in america, we are better

than that." okay. "we can do better. we cannot ignore the inequities that persist in our justice system." wow, she's really taking some risks with the statement. could it be more bland? >> i think look, i got a lot of e-mails yesterday after she delivered this statement saying essentially this was such a safe statement, this was such a safe space she carved out and appropriately. most people who are talking about what happened in ferguson are not really saying that much. elizabeth warren and deval patrick whether or not they're running for president would be the exception. debris this is not controversial what she was saying. she appears to be having some trouble transitioning from this year and a half of not being a candidate after she left the state department to moving toward a very likely presidential campaign. the expectation has become in part because she has weighed in on so many issues of the day that she will talk about things that are going on. she talked about a shooting range with a 9-year-old as well

when she gave this appearance yesterday. it's going to be harder for her as the next couple of weeks develop for her to say essentially i'm not taking a stand on x, y, z. >> we have that sound about the tragedy that happened at that gun range. let's listen to that. >> this incident with the 9-year-old girl is just heartbreaking and horrifying. i mean, first of all, what 9-year-old little girl is strong enough to manage an uzi submachine gun which is apparently what it was? you know, the kick, the effort to control it. i mean, that's just the height of irresponsibility, to say nothing of the choice of letting your child do that. >> okay so maggie, that was a little bit more of a position there, that she said that's the height of irresponsibility, but just back to what you were saying, this is the problem with hillary clinton as a candidate many would say with i is she's so controlled, she's so calculating that she ends up sounding robotic instead of really kind of emoting.

>> what she said about the 9-year-old is less of an example of that, that is true that has been the knock on her. look, her folks will say and her supporters will say you ask for candor, she gives candor and you hit her for making gaffes. she gets controlled again and you hit her for being controlled. there is some truth to that but not entirely. if you really are going to go all bullworth, you sort of do it and she has not hit that moment. to wit, when she talked about ferguson in this speech, this was a paid speech at nexenta at a conference they're giving, a software company. she said at the end, in other preamble remarks before she finished up, she talked about ferguson and mentioned nexenta and said you say, i don't remember what they say their slogan at the clinton foundation we say x, y, z. this is what happens when there's a confluence of the paid speeches and political commentary.

>> maggie, we're three days away from labor day, the traditional kickoff to the campaign season. we have a midterm election here. i'm curious what we're going to see from mrs. clinton over the next two months and some days. it will be commenting every day full campaigning or this trying to back off the throttle a little bit that you saw before yesterday? >> big question mark about hillary clinton over the next month is going to be what she says and how she is at the harkens day cry on september 14th in iowa, its first time she's expected to set foot in iowa since she lost the caucuses. it is a very anticipated appearance. i think you will see actually less of hillary clinton than people think they will for the main reason that her daughter is expected to give birth at some point in the next two months and i expect she will spend a lot of time with her grandchild. i think after that is when you'll start seeing her forced into true candidate mode if she runs which i assume she is. >> got it. maggie haberman, thanks so much. have a great labor day weekend. >> thanks. >> we want to know what you think about this, find john and me on twitter and go to our

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20,000 people in west africa could be infected with ebola within the next six months if this outbreak is not contained. that is the word from the world health organization. the official count of ebola cases in the region has topped

3,000, about half of them have died. you know, the number of actual cases might be higher already. joined by chief medical correspondette dr. sanjay gupta at the cnn medical center in atlanta. you've been to west africa and seen what's going on firsthand. why is this so difficult to contain? >> part of it, when you're actually on the ground in west africa, you see just how tough the infrastructure is, to simply get from one place to another place is challenging, to get people to medical attention. that's really a large part of the challenge, they just don't have the medical infrastructure to take care of these things. these types of outbreaks were r relegated to more remote areas. more globalization and traffic to other countries as you know, so many country outbreak sort of simultaneously coming from the same place but spreading much more quickly because of the world in which we live.

>> that new outlook the new projection from the world health organization very alamping. there is this trial of an ebola vaccine the nih just announced the other day. how is this going to work? >> let me just say one thing about the 20,000 number and that is that i think even in passed outbreaks they grossly underestimate the number of people who get infected because so many people again in more remote areas never have any contact with doctors. they don't get counted so to speak. so i think the 20,000 number obviously they're trying to project how many people, if you account forrer, people they may never see. with regard to this trial it's really interesting as you might guess, john, there was a fire lit underneath this whole process with what's happening in west africa. fda expedited this trial. they'll do three healthy people, people who don't have an infection, have no other health problems, and inject them with this vaccine. it's a vaccine made in conjunction with the nih and

glaxosmithkline. three people and then seven people later, and then ten more people so 20 people total, and that's the first part of the trial. it's the safety part of the trial, and you see how they do over a period of time. you give slightly higher doses to each group and make sure there's no side effects. getting some of that information back will take some time, probably not until the end of the year, john. >> it is a time-consuming process as you say. does this have any realistic chance of having an impact on this outbreak that we're seeing in africa right now? >> i don't think so, and as you're alluding to, there's good news and bad news. the bad news is this medication probably won't be ready for this outbreak. the good news is it's because hopefully the outbreak's over, right? there is some control over this before the medication's available. let me make another point though, john. going back to this infrastructure issue, somebody once said if the cure for aids came in a clean glass of water we still couldn't rid the world of aids because it's not just the medications, it's the distribution, and people say

this all the time, but again, when you see the conditions particularly in some of these remote areas, simply getting the medications to the people who need it, the vaccines in this case, it's challenging. who would get it exactly, how would they get it? those are questions that have to be answered even if this vaccine works. >> it seemed concerning to me, i'm hoping you can explain it, there is this notion the virus mutated or looking at a different type of virus in two different parts of africa. explain that to me. >> so two points there. first of all, the strain, the second sort of strain in congo does appear to be another strain of this ebola virus but it may have been a strain that we already knew about. we've known about five or so strains. the other part of that report said now that this outbreak's been circulating in humans for so long, it accumulates more and more mutations, sort of lying dormant in the forest not doing much. now that it's spreading in humans it accumulates mutations.

the virus changes ever so slightly. most of the time those mutations mean nothing. it doesn't do anything in terms of how the virus actually behaves, but the question is, could it change the virus in some bigger way, could it make it something that could be less transmittable or more transmissible. we don't know. that's a roll of the dice. we know for example with flu virus with he get a different flu shot every year because we know it's going to change, it's going to genetically change throughout one year's time. ebola typically didn't act that way, but now because it's been around so long in humans in this outbreak, it is accumulating mutations so they have to keep a close eye to see what any new big mutation might do to the virus and thousahow it behaves. >> it could make it harder to treat, not that there are many treatments. >> is this ebola or mutated

version, and treat it and then create the vaccine, so the vaccine, the treatment and the testing, all of those things would be affected if it underwent a big sort of mutation. >> as if we needed any more complications. dr. sanjay gupta great to have you with us this morning, really appreciate it. >> any time. >> tune in to "sanjay gupta m.d." weekends here on cnn, it airs saturday at 4:30 p.m., sundays 7:30 a.m. eastern time. to not miss it. there are concerns to tell you about this morning. they keep growing as we learn that americans are joining isis terrorists to fight against the united states. we'll speak with a former jihadist about what drives people to the isis cause. can this decadent, fruit topped pastry... ...with indulgent streusel crumble, be from... fiber one. new fiber one streusel.

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as the isis threat increasing in the middle east, fears of homegrown terror right here in america they also grow. the fbi scrambling to track down potential jihadi recruits after reports of more americans are joining's extremist groups. joining us is a former jihadist, recruited to join the fight and recruited others. ruben sheikh is now a securities operative. great to see you this morning. >> thank you for having me, alisyn. >> tell us about your experience, how were you recruited to become a jihadist? >> like many others, i self-radicalized. i began to take on a world view in which the west is the enemy, the west needs to be attacked

and if attacks happen in the west we celebrate it. >> what was your life like? why were you susceptible to htht mind-set? >> i grew up a normal life, dare i say cliche high school life, the cheerleaders were our friends. i wasn't discriminated against, i had a multicultural social community, but the identity conflict for me, it was an identity conflict. i was being told from members in the community or people in the community you need to be more religious. my father's religiously active and i was not at that time so the guilt, they guilt tripped me into becoming a better muslim and i thought that meant i had to become very religious just to make up for the life that i had lived previous. >> that's what's so hard for many americans to understand which is because you're becoming a more religious muslim, why does that mean you had to become a more extremist?

>> this is one of the, a sudden change in religious behavior in and of itself is not a cause of concern but when you attach that to a political ideology or some kind of political thinking, that's when the extremism starts to come, so for me, many people have become more religious and in fact, being more religious inoculates you from being an extremist but if you add a political ideology to that, especially one in which anti-western, very anti-western. it's okay to be critical of course but this is way beyond just mere credit suchl so adding the two together creates a volatile mix. >> here's another mix that's mindblowing for most americans. you grew up in toronto, canada, why would an american or westerner or canadian give up the freedoms and give up democracy to go to a place like syria? >> a lot of these people are fed a mythology, if you will, a

utopian fantasy idea where you reestablish the caliphate and will live happily ever after, and they have this idea that we will be heroes when we go there. you're dealing with disaffected, lost boys, and especially those that come from an abusive home background or criminal backgrounds, or just don't feel that people like them or they're wanted, these are groups that will make them feel that, make them feel not just that they're wanted with you that they belong to something greater and in doing so become heroes, even if they die. >> we have heard that, that people have this tremendous sense of wanting to belong. we heard from one of the americans who was recruited to go to the middle east who's -- his mother who said that he had this need for a sense of belonging. that's a human need, everyone has that. but you didn't have that. you were susceptible, even though you weren't a lost boy. how do you fight against that? >> so i think what you're looking at is there's no single

pathway. that's the thing. we have this tendency to want to look at this nice neat, clean package, but it doesn't work like that. for me, of course, i didn't have that issue, but there were other issues, and what it shows is that there are multiple factors that act together, they're sometimes interdependent or start to act with one another so a person who is integrated can go the same route as somebody who is isolated and marginalized. depends on which factors are at play in a particular moment. >> once you became radicalized you attempted to recruit others. how did you do it? >> the group i hung around with would go to conferences, mosques, also online, and this is where we find people. for example, we would look for converts, converts are easy pickings because they don't know their religion as much so it's easier for us to manipulate them

by way of showing them how much more we know than them. also by going to the mosques to see which kids were kind of sitting by themselves, are they separated from their parents, same thing with converts as well, if they're having trouble at home it's easier for them to want to hang around with us who will deliberately make them feel as if they're home. >> what did you do as a jihadist? what did you plan? >> well there's a general idea that of course the west is the enemy, the west has to be attacked in any way, shape and form, and it was, you know, things like wanting to see destruction and harm come to other people. i always give this example, there was a synagogue we used to pass on the bus every day and we would always say that we want to blow this place up. i didn't even know why. i'm not arab. i don't have the conflict background especially related to israeli/palestine conflict, but

the problem was that it was next to a police station. so it was just silly things like driving by and saying yeah, i wish somebody took that out, seeing somebody even a hindu person, a sikh person, anyone who was not like us we did not want to see. >> you have ten seconds, how did you get out of that mind-set? >> ideological deprogramming. i spent two years in syria studying arabic/islamic studies and was taught those interpretations that these jihadists used is completely mistaken. >> we're so glad you did and you are speaking out now against it. mubin shaikh, thank you very much. it's fascinating. >> thank you, alisyn. a laptop apparently contains the secrets of isis including efforts to develop biological weapons. stick around. what does it mean to have an unlimited mileage warranty on a certified pre-owned mercedes-benz?

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