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is calling for the arming of ukrainian forces along the nation's eastern border. russian president putin is calling for talks that include the issue of statehood in eastern ukraine. nato is meeting to try to decide how to respond to the crisis. and in iraq, a significant victory in the push to defeat isis militants. iraqi military forces broke a two-month siege to retake the town. tens of thousands of people were facing drastic food shortages. the breakthrough came after u.s. air strikes and humanitarian aid drops in the area. more on a troubling situation in libya. and the amateur video that appears to show islamist militia members on the grounds of the u.s. embassy compound in tripoli. fighters can be seen right there jumping into the swimming pool. u.s. ambassador deborah jones, not in libya now, says the video

shows the embassy's residential an exbut not the embassy offices itself. in her words, quote, the compound is being safeguarded and has not been ransacked, end quote. despite video images, a spokesman for the libyan dawn militia tells cnn his group there to protect the embassy. he calls the actions by some of the militia members, quote, isolated behavior. rival militias have been fighting for control of libya since the demise of gadhafi back in 2011. just over a month ago, the violent chaos forced u.s. diplomats to close the embassy and leave the country. former cia operative bob bayer joins me now. how would you describe the situation in yib la ylibya. >> another name for islamist fundamentalists, they're not quite as bad as isis but they're not our friends. to say the embassy hasn't been

ransacked doesn't tell the full story. the full story, tripoli has fall tonight islamic groups. controlling large parts of it, they're the accepted authority. i would very much be surprised if the libyan government comes back and retakes that city. so you -- like we lost mosul, we've lost tripoli now. what we do, the embassy's irrelevant but it's symbolic of the spread of islam. >> what would be the objective of libyan dawn? >> they want impose sharia law, take control of labia, unite with the islamist fundamentalists in benghazi and turn libya into anis lambic state which would not look like gadhafi's state. seculars have been beat and beaten roundly. >> how would this pose a threat to the region? >> well, it's an enormous

threat. the reason egypt is bombing tripoli airport from time to time because it's a threat, a threat to egyptian stability and the united arab emirates participating in the bombing as well but turning people back from the air is not going to do. they'll wer grounded and they have a popularity. this is not a cult. they're supported by large numbers of people and we have to accept this and learn how to deal with it. >> what is the potential futurer to a libyan government to be able to take control of that country, given right now it is so incredibly porous? >> right now, fredricka, i think it's impossible. things change quickly in that part of the world. to turn this around, i just don't see it happening. haftar, the secularist with an army, has not been taken ground, he's been getting beat in benghazi today. i don't see this turn around

soop. we'll have to wait for this to take its course which -- the country's full armed and the arms are being shipped islamic groups in subsaharan places, this could spread the chaos. to iraq, seeing progress in the push to defeat isis militants. the u.s. military conducted fresh air strikes to help iraqi forces break a brutal isis siege in the town. looking at video of relieved families on iraqi helicopters, one official saying people were facing imminent massacre before this stunning turnaround. some endured weeks of severe food and water shortages but as people celebrate victory, other iraqi families are mourning. iraqi police tell reuters a suicide bomber killed 37 people in ramadi by ramming an explosives-filled vehicle into a construction site used by local

military and police. and we don't know who is responsible for the reported bombing. isis militants have been battling iraqi security forces in the area. a want to bring in our pan toll talk more about the push to defeat isis in iraq. we've got anna coren in erbil, iraq, with independent foreign correspondent and daily beast contributor jamie detmer. an na the situation is becoming desperate, it was before the latest turnaround. does this victory in that town show what's possible when u.s. air strikes help embolden iraqi troops? >> yeah, most definitely, fredricka, it goes to show what a coordinated effort can achieve. those u.s. air strikes turning the situation around certainly on the ground for those iraqi forces. working, mind you, with shia

militia in iraq. they were leading the ground offensive around the surrounding villages and townships and then into the town itself. that occurred late this afternoon as they broke that siege. but certainly those u.s. air strikes making a huge difference. it's important to point out, fredricka, this is an expanded mission as far as the united states is concerned. we've seen them mainly up here in northern iraq, focused around erbil, the capital, where we are in kurdistan, and then mosul dam, focusing on the critical piece of infrastructure that, yes, is under control of the peshmerga, kurdish forces but the surrounding area definitely is not. so, interesting to see the united states expand their mission down to amerli, helped with humanitarian aid drop by the united states, uk, france and australia. but also to ensure that there

wasn't a slaughter of the residence, made up of the shia turkmen, less than 20,000. certainly we can say, crisis asserted, thanks to the coordinated effort. >> jamie, days ago, you wrote that the u.s. current military role may not be enough to stop isis, saying this, quote, fear of mission creep, fear of putting american boots on the ground and excessive faith in the wonders of american military technology contribute to a fatal and contradictory combination of excessive caution and excessive competence. so, do you not see there are any positive qualities that have come from this strategy, thus far? >> oh, well, of course, it's very good news the town has been relieved. they've been besieged two months, 17,000 turkmen at risk of being slaughtered. it not much of an expansion on the lines the president laid down.

and this town is not the most strategic on towns. it's a long way from retaking, let's say, mosul or fallujah, really strategic towns. the kurds aren't making much progress, on a string of important towns to the south. what we're waiting for is a comprehensive strategy. isis controls, what, a third of eastern syria now, a quarter of iraq, they still look like to their own supporters an invincible force that isn't being taken down. there was a feeling amongst a lot of middle east analysts and american friends in the middle east a bit of whiplash in term order the administration's response. that we had immediately after the terrible murder of james foley, secretary kerry talking about crushing isis, and then we had the president subsequently walking back a bit and saying he hasn't got a strategy yet which probably wasn't the most

morale-boosting thing he could say. to take them out is going to take a comprehensive strategy which is going to involve not just air strikes focused on northern iraq but taking them as the general martin dempsey made clear in syria as well, it's not just going to be an air well. it's putting comprehensive in terms of messing up their financial and logistical networks and also providing much more rearming of the kurds who really are a force that is outgunned and outmatched at the moment by isis. >> okay. thank you so much. appreciate that. coming up -- should the u.s. begin arming ukrainians as they inch closer to an all-out war with russia? the senate foreign relations chairman says, yes. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters shopping online is as easy as it gets. and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list, now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks.

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by the day as russian troops moved into eastern ukraine. moscow is clearly digging in its heels. this week, putin made a point of remi remind everyone, russia is a nuclear nation and called for talks the issue of statehood in eastern ukraine. on cnn's "state of the union" robert menendez says the u.s. has to give ukrainians a fighting chance to defend themselves. >> it's at a point where a russia has come invaded thousands of troops with missiles, tanks, this is no longer the question of some rebel separatists. this is a direct invasion by russia and we must recognize it. when i read the headlines that suggest rebels are advancing different parts of eastern ukraine it's not rebels, it's russian soldiers. >> nato is meeting this week in wales to try to decide how to respond to the crisis. let's turn to jill dougherty, a public policy

scholar at woodrow wilson center. good to see you. what do you make of putin's remarks calling for talks that include the issue of staidhood? >> i this it's classic putin. it's clear and unclear at the same time. i mean, did he actually mean statehood? it's kind of couched, well, the status of not necessarily statehood although that word can be interpreted that way. in other words, what -- and then, also, his spokesperson said, no, he wasn't talking about statehood at all. he was talk about the talks that he wants, peace talks, between ukraine and the rebels. what's happening here, fredricka, and this now a constant theme, he says something, it's interpreted as a threat, and then he pulls back and they say, no, it wasn't really a threat, we didn't mean that. you can see it in the way the russian troops are being used. they're there, people are seeing them, and then you know russia

says, i'm sorry, they just kind of unmaneuvered and went over the border. this is all probably on purpose and becoming very dangerous in terms of kind of what the next could be. >> and nato is meeting this week to discuss options in the conflict. what must be decided? >> well, what must be decided is how do you answer what putin is doing because there is no easy answer. he, in other words, steps right up to the point where he might trigger some type of, let's say, military action -- you've heard the calls from the united states to help the ukrainians to be armed better -- and then he kind of pulls back. there is -- ukraine is not a member of nato, so legally there's no legal reason for the west to defend them. that said, how can the west stand by and let this happen?

so that's the dilemma for nato. they are not, at this point, i think -- they haven't really come to grips with precisely what they can do. the one thing, however, they are doing is they're going to create rapid reaction troops that will be able to quickly go to some place. and that might be a way of countering some of the action by russia, perhaps if it were to take military action in other countries that are members of nato. >> jill dougherty, always good to see you. thanks so much. straight ahead -- the a.l.s. association's $100 million challenge of what do they do with the incredible amount of money raised from the viral charity campaign? ♪ man: [ laughs ] those look like baby steps now. but they were some pretty good moves. and the best move of all?

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oh, those a.l.s. ice bucket challenges, well they're everywhere on video the famous, not so famous and infamous have been soaked with ice water to raise money to fight lou gehrig's disease. behind the staggering $100 million raised in one month, a serious question, what happens to the donations? only 28 cents out of every dollar goes to research. should people know this before they dump the buck the on themselves? here's elizabeth cohen.

>> reporter: superman and lois lane got doused, so did homer simpson, matt damon, martha stewart. this guy did in a plane upside down. in just one month, the ice bucket challenge has generated $100 million. as of friday the a.l.s. association says donations are up an astonishing 3,504% from the same time period last year. and while you can say that's #amazing, there's a worry these dunkers' expectations might be disappointed. because even with all of this money, a cure for a.l.s. is still a long way off. >> progress against these really tough issues takes patience and it takes time. we're not going to see results overnighting and nobody should expect that. >> reporter: phil buchanan is president of the center for effective philanthropy, whether it's an earthquake in haiti or

attack on the homeland donors want quick results and know where their money's going right away. >> a temptation to give it away quick lu but it might be wiser to be more deliberate, see what shows evidence of success, and then and only then, fund that in a bigger way. >> reporter: why would there be pressure to distribute it quickly? >> i think donors may have an expectation it's simpler than it is. >> the a.l.s. association doesn't have a breakdown yet of all of the ice bucket money will be spent and acknowledges spending pressure's directly in a statement this week saying this isn't a matter of spending these dollars quickly, it's a matter of investing dollars prudently, to achieve maxim pack in our quest to help people living with the disease and those yet to be diagnosed. while a cure might not come overnight, at least for now more and more money is. with ice bucket challenge donations averaging $9 million

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so the ice bucket challenge has had incredible success as a fund-raiser but what sort of results might it have? the organization says only a quarter of the overall money raised in 2014 is going to research, a third to education, and some say the success of the ice bucket challenge has come at the expense of other charities. there's a lot to talk about with cnn political commentators ben ferguson, joining us from a rainy new york today, and mark lemont hill in philadelphia. good to see both of you. >> good evening. >> do you have concerns, mark, you first, where the money is going? $100 million, that's a lot. >> it's a lot of money, but if you look at most charities, look

how much actually goes to the research and how much goes to administrative costs, infrastructure, et cetera, you realize this isn't that uncommon. i'd rather see it in this proportion than other charities, some we know quite famous, where the money wasn't just not going to research it was going to illegal or unethical purposes. i'm not too bothered and i'm glad to see awareness not just for this charity but others. >> ben, your personal take on this sort of challenge? how it's taken off, do you trust that the money's going into the right places? >> we should be looking where the money's going. i hope with $100 million influxes, surely a significant portion is going to research and not go to highering hundreds of new staff members because they had no idea this cash was going to come in. the if they're responsible they would make it clear to the public, not only did we raise a lot of money for our organization to take care of things and do these things but we're going to put a significant

of amount into research and development like other charities, like st. jude in tennessee, for me, it's a great thing. this brought a lot of acknowledging of the issue to the forefront, a lot of people did not even know what this was. >> right. >> beforehand. and it's already been something i think has been fun for people to challenge one another. and it's all at the same time bringing aawareness. so in that way, i mean -- i guaranteed you they never imagined they had success. plus you get people to flow buckets of water on themselves. i'm waiting on mark, by the way. mark has been wussing out. >> mark. >> i accept. >> he accepts the challenge. >> it's true. i accept the challenge, see. see how easy it was. >> we have to make arrangements the next live hit. for you, ben, what was appealing to you personally in? you did take on the challenge.

we have the video of you getting drowned out by some water. >> ready? >> there it is. >> i was playing tennis and i was like, at the end, i got challenged, i was like, i'm going to do this, let's go. you can hear in the background. >> my favorite sunday morning host, you're on notice, you're not getting out of this. you're a texan, you can't punk out. you've got 24 hours, good luck. watch this. >> uh-oh. >> watch this. >> that is real. >> hopefully it was refreshing because it was a hot day on the tennis court, right? >> go big or go home. >> by the way, candy crowley, she's going to either see this clip if she's not watching. don lemon came through, ted cruz accepted. candy my favorite sunday morning talk show host. mark, you with her this morning. i think candy should do this. >> i think so, too. >> put the video on youtube.

she looks beautiful sunday mornings. it's time. now that we've brought the focus of this on candy. it's time for her to show up. everybody tweet her right now. if you're tweeting, tweet candy, candy, they're talking about you, we're ready for your buck. she's getting the message right now, maybe it will happen live on camera as well. maybe mark, candy, we get you guys together, since this is ben's challenge. >> i'm on board. >> make it happen. mark, an interesting point, talking about other charities that aren't benefiting as a result. but doesn't that always happen when you've got a very successful kind of public awareness campaign, yes it might take away from attention of other charities but you know, i guess there's, you know, lots of love to go around. >> par for the course. >> it's cyclical. >> absolutely. it's par for the course. for a long time a.l.s. was underresearched, undersupported and this is evening the playing field. i'm glad it's going to a worthy

cause. seen this with hiv-aids research. moments one charity spikes and others fall back but it all evens out eventually. >> mark, can't wait to see the ice bucket on your head. >> it's going to happen. >> i'm glad we got him on record. he can't run away. >> ben, good sport, on the tennis court and off. thanks so much, appreciate it. >> see you soon. >> all right. >> a pleasure. we've got much more straight ahead here in "cnn newsroom." the ice bucket challenge, well, it may have kind of revolutionized the way people raise awareness for lots of causes. coming up, the worthy new challenge going viral. pull your pants up! details next. from safety... to fuel economy... to quality... today's chevrolet has it all. and the time to buy is now. it's the chevy labor day sale!

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pull your damn pants up. talk about racial profiling, about how the cops that target young, black men. but we don't want to focus what we're doing to contribute to the problem. even if just a little bit. start thinking about how we represented out, how we talk, how we act, how we deal with police. we need to start talking, acting and living like men. stop making the conscious decision to fit a description. >> all right. malik kings the man in the video, joining us in new york. good to see you. >> to see you. >> what's the reception from the challenge? are you seeing that young men are pulling up their pants or anyone commenting to you about the video challenge you issued? >> well, ma'am, i've noticed there are people who approve of the challenge, there are people who disapprove of the challenge. sense i issued the challenge, i mean, i've had an overwhelming

amount of support from people. friend requests over 3,000 friend requests, inboxes, telling me they support the challenge and what it stands for. it's a challenge that is forcing individuals to think about the way that they choose to represent themselves. and how your presentation can influence, you know, perception. >> so what's the message in your view being sent when a young man wears his pants, it's no longer just slightly, you know, below the waistline, now it's all the way, like under the butt, you know, right about the thigh area? what's the message being sent in your view, what are they trying to say? >> what i'm trying to say is this trend is not something that began in the hip pop culture, like some like to say. it's no a trend that began in the black community. this is a trend that began in prison. we know various reasons it began in prison. i don't think any trend that comes from prison, a negative place, something we should be allowing to continue. it's not something that we should be willing to enforce.

it should be something that we want to keep in prison where it belongs. doesn't belong with the society. >> i want to open this up, invite i can couple more people to talk about this. let's bring in co-host of real news on the blaze tv and mark lemont hill also back. mark, i hear you don't like this challenge. why? >> i disagree with its premise and i disagree with the belief this has anything to do with young black men being criminalized. i saw the campaign, the full 44-second clip and read the description. it suggests, and the brother said it right now, somehow there's a connection between black male profiling and our pants being sagging. the truth is before black people pulled their pants down they are were still getting locked up. there's no connection. the idea it begins in prison is an urban legend. even if it did, it doesn't

justify police profiling. if we continue to tell young black men they can behave or dress or demonstrate their way out of police oppression or police abuse, we are blaming the victim. people can make good healthy choice but was pulling your pants down has nothing to do with police and it's a dangerous message we send. >> malik? >> well, what i have to say to that is, being an african-american from the ghetto myself, in just seeing what i see in my community on a daily basis, seeing how we are destroying our own communities, i understand -- i agree 100% -- that racial profiling is a big issue, i understand that. i also understand that racism is a big issue. i understand that. i also understand there are crooked cops out there who may not have anything better to do but target young, black men. i understand it's not a popular opinion. but that also does happen. that is also true. but i like to think of things from both sides of the coin. you have a strong police

presence in your community on one hand, it can be because maybe cops have nothing better to do, but on the other hand it could be because we're in our communities, reinforcing nervive stereotypes. could be because we're littering and graffiti in our communities. could very well be that we are making the conscious decision to reinforce negativity and not positivity. and it does directly relate to perception. >> tara, how do you see this? talking about a few different things here from talking about how it may contribute or not to profiling, or to the degradation of a young man's image. tara, how are you, you know, digesting this conversation and this campaign in how useful in your view it might be? >> i applaud malik because what he's saying, he's 100% correct. i find it hard to believe that marc would be as educated as he is, as much as he has contributed to the black community and trying to overcome

the negativity in the community he would sit here and try to justify emulating bad behavior and set the record straight, my husband was a correctional officer, and the sagging of the pant absolutely originating from prison culture, started with not wearing belts and turned into something else with a sexual invitation in prison. for anyone to make excuses for bad behavior. it's easy to blame everybody else for issues rather than teaching responsibility for your behavior and empowerment. that's the message malik is saying. in the real world presentation matters. profess -- >> but the point -- >> do stood up right now, are your parents sagging down? i don't think so. >> marc? >> well, i'm nearly 36, so, no, my pants aren't sagging. at 16 they were, i turned out okay, i got an ivy league ph.d.

>> at 16 you were wearing your pants down low like now? >> yeah, of course. >> why? that's what people do. again, i think you are making two different arguments, conflating the two. hear me out. whether or not we like sagging pants when i talk into a store and see a kid with his butt hanging out, i don't either. i tell kids, pull their pan pants. there's a difference between that and suggesting the quote/unquote bad behavior is a sign of criminality and warrants the police impact in our communities. when i taught at columbia, my white students also had than in the suburbs they have it, too. police aren't using it as a pretech to arrest them, shoot them with hands up. we have to stop blaming back people for police poor behavior. it has nothing to do with each other. >> for making excuses within

their own community for bad behavior, that's the problem. you have the naacp going after a town in florida who is trying to have an ordinance saying we don't want people's underwear hanging out, maybe the naacp should hold a workshop, teaching how to war a suit, and explaining to them -- >> they do that. >> presentation matters. instead of wasting time to reinforce bad behavior. this mixed message coming from within the black community. people would go -- >> it's not a mixed message. >> it is a mixed message. >> it's not what i'm saying. what i'm -- what i'm saying is you shouldn't tell people the reason they're getting harassed and refiled because how low their pants are hanging. >> it's a contributing factor. >> is it true. but -- >> exactly. >> let me button this up. >> what i said specifically, we need to focus on how we choose

to represent out. focus how to represent ourselves and that we can contribute even if just a little way. i did say that, even if just a little way. why is there -- the reason why i say that, it's not -- why do we have a strong police presence in the community? something to be realistic about. is it only because we're being racially profiled or a reason to be in black communities in the first place. >> can i ask a quick question? >> make it quick. >> yes, sir. >> malik, before people were pulling their pants down, did we have a strong police presence? >> yes, we did. yes, we did, sir. yes, we did. >> ding, ding, ding. that's my boy! >> responsibility, every single person in the country has a choice to behave like a criminal or a choice to behave like a reasonable person and carry themselves with respect. >> i wish we had more time. i know this hit a nerve and there's so many more sentiments to express but we have to leave

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president obama told democratic donors friday the world sometimes seems like it's falling apart but in his words, quote, we will get through these

challenging times just like we have in the past. but critics of his foreign policy are increasingly vocal. one republican says even u.s. alleys are worried about american leadership. >> it shows, i think, exemplifies foreign policies a free-fall. look at china, isis, look at russia, you look at iran, north korea, we have a serious host of problems presenting itself, and our traditional allies are standing up and saying, maybe america is not the best ones to lead us through these troubles. >> talk about the obama foreign policy with ben ferguson and marc lamont hill. >> congressman rogers says american allies are worried. are they really. >> they're not seeing leadership. something this president has been very clear about when he ran the first and second time, he did not want to be a war president, he doesn't feel comfortable in that aspect, he doesn't want to be in charge of troops and attacking or going in

different ways, even the arab league has been saying to him now for almost two years, isis is going to be a real threat and have asked him to come along with them and he was delayed. diane feinstein said that this morning, she knows this stuff, she said, look, he does not seem to want lead to on going after isis and unfortunately he's going to have to whether they likes it or not. you better get on board. >> what she said, something she liked about his leadership, he likes to take his time and be thoughtful. she didn't necessarily say he was lacking leadership. she wasn't saying lacking leadership, she was saying he likes to take his time in making a decision. >> but this one, she thinks he takes way too much time because he doesn't want to deal with the issues and i think that's what the issue is. look at david cameron, you see him being blunt and just telling what's really going on. >> isn't that a different style of leadership? its not a different style when you're not leading on the issue at all. david cameron said, we're going to have to deal with isis.

>> let me respond to that. >> is the president lacking leadership or is this an issue of style? how do you see it? >> i think it's a bit of both. i'm a little concerned with his we don't have any strategy for syria statement. not because i doubt that he has a legit strategy but it projects the wrong image. i don't think the president is uncomfortable leading troops or uncomfortable being able to prosecute wars. he doesn't want to prosecute unjust wars. >> no, unjust. >> let me finish. if anything, i think he's fallen too closely to the bush doctrine in terms of being aggressive. the fact that david cameron wants to the cowboy approach of isis it's short sighted and problematic. >> it's not cowboy -- >> you need to strike isis. and, ben, when you talk about air strikes, both in syria, iraq, that is an effective strategy. you need boots on the ground. but for us to put american boots

on the ground, america's war weary, it doesn't make sense. >> here's the issue. >> it's the -- if you were to go into syria -- >> let me say, look at the arab league, and then came forward and came to the united states they said we could use all of the military help, intelligent, air strikes and willing to do more on the ground, and barack obama blatantly said i don't want to be a part of this, and that's when the cautious side of him becomes the detriment because whether you like it or not -- i think this is what david cameron's saying, it's not style, it substance -- we are going to have to admit that isis is a problem in this world, it is growing rapidly, and incredible -- >> but all right. -- who are these imaginary people -- >> i wonder, there is a variation of interpretations. am lies see the president's actions one way, elected officials see it another way, american citizens see it another as well.

>> but he also said they were jv, what i'm saying here. he said isis is jv because he didn't want to admit they were terrorists he was going to have to deal with because he doesn't like dealing with them. >> that's not true. a couple of things -- >> why call them jv? >> let me talk. two years -- >> talk fast. we're up against the clock. >> okay. isis was jv two years ago. at this moment they are struggling this the south. isis is i big insurgency we'd need to stop you stop them with the global community. >> we hear you next hour. you'll get a lot of air time more from ben and marc coming up. for now, we're ending it. tracking several militant groups making power grabs in key parts of the middle east. take a look right here at the map. libyan militants ran act an empty u.s. embassy. now al qaeda group nears syria's

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