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kn you are in the c"cnn newsroom." tracking three milian tant groups. islamists are taking territory and hostages, threatening and killing locals, and upsetting the very fragile balance of power. amateur video from libya shows what appear to be militia members on u.s. embassy grounds. yes, here, diving off the roof into the pool. u.s. diplomats evacuated the embassy last month. we have no comment yet from the state department. meantime, al qaeda-linked group made a bold move on israel's doorstep. the al nusra front captured dodds of u.n. peacekeepers in the golan heights this week. the u.n. says other peacekeepers came under heavy machine gunfire and brutal isis militants continue their push across iraq and sear yap the uk raising its

terror threat level to severe in response to isis. let's take a closer look at what's going on with me here to talk about this, former cia operative bob baer, jamie dettmer and a fellow at brookings institution center for middle east policy. author of "temptations of power islamists and il liberal democracy in a new middle east." bob, you first. talk about some of -- we have different groups, al nusra front associated with al qaeda, isis, different groups causing different troubles. what's the common denominator here because we do know there's infighting also. >> well, common denominator's clear, they're a better fighter than the secular groups, free syrian army, for instance, they're holding more ground, taking new ground. they're more determined. they're more committed. as these countries become more chaotic and messy and you have

refugees, you see islam becomes a default, it happened the same way with christianity, other religion, people turned to worship and organized groups based on religion. i think as the middle east becomes more messy, we'll see these groups rise all over. how far it's going to go, i can't predict it. >> but, you look at isis and you say that it's different, it's a different kind of extremist group in a category of its own, why is that? >> so isis doesn't just fight. they're not the kind of old style terrorists of the early to mid-2000s like al qaeda. when it was targeting civilians and blowing things up. it was destroying but it didn't have a vision for building. what's different about isis, they're interested in governance. so they control large swaths of territory and they're running local governments dispensing justice through sharia courts.

electricity and water, providing social services, the list goes on. so in many ways, they're better at governing than the other rebel groups. they actually are very well-organized and and they have a comprehensive strategy that they're implementing right now. that's what makes them such a scary enemy is that they go beyond terrorism, and i think they're setting a new precedent throughout the middle east where extremist groups are looking to isis and saying, holding territory and running government isn't something we used to do. but now isis has shown the way and we want to follow. >> when you look at that, jamie, do you see the risk being that isis could have a longer-term hold in the region? >> i agree, there is a difference between isis and al qaeda. actually, the root of the dispute is this business of trying to create a muslim state, which al qaeda doesn't agree with. i compared it to stalin being

isis, baghdad and trotsky being al qaeda. isis is not only concentrating on creating a muslim state which which they want to widen beyond syria and iraq but to also lebanon. they're a greater danger than al qaeda, because they have greater global connections than al qaeda did in its second year of existence. they've also got the bulk of the 12,000 or so estimated foreign fighters from 81 countries, 3,000 from western countries, who are fighting in syria and iraq, have gone to isis. so they have a reach, line, i don't think al qaeda had, at the same time in its development. as well as that, we're seeing more and more jihadist groups swearing allegiance to isis, breaking with al qaeda, or if they're not doing that, they're sitting on the fence waiting to see what happens in the competition to lead the jihad movement between isis and al qaeda that may put isis to start doing spectacular

terrorism if they can in western countries to further their aim to be leaders of the jihad movement. >> does it matter that you have al qaeda which is disowned isis after it tried to lay claim to the al nusra front? does it matter there's na infighting, does that work to the advantage of the interest of u.s. and its allies? >> this is what's fascinating, isis is so vicious and brutal al qaeda central disavowed them. and now other extremist groups look moderate by comparison because isis has set the bar for savagery so high. but i think the broader point here is that there is intraextremist competition and there are many who are concerned that isis is going too far, they're too ambitious, trying to do too much too quickly. and i think that's what people are waiting to see, will isis be able to sustain its progress and

its success, or will it fall under the weight of its own ambition? and in some ways, al qaeda is more modest in that respect, as others have said, al qaeda would dream about the islamic state but weren't serious about doing it on the ground. >> because they perhaps thought it was unachievable. and that really gets to the point, bob, how does the u.s., how do american allied, how do countries in the region combat isis? >> well, i think go back to the point, he's receipt, i've been trying to get this acrosser to a long time, it's good governance on the part of isis. it's hard to acknowledge but in mosul they've taken control of the city, running it looting has stopped comparison with maliki, prime minister's army that was there, it's night and day. the sunnis, even the fairly secular ones tell me, they're happy with isis. what we have to do in a country like iraq is, frankly, it's

either partition or you're going to have to rewrite the constitution so sunnis are accounted for, draw a wedge between somebody like isis and their vengeance and the rest of it and the moderate sunnis but the sunnis are looking at isis as almost sort of the gang that's protecting them and until they don't need them anymore. we have to get to that point, convince all sunnis this is not the way to go and it's going to take some real doing. >> filled a void when you saw the military sort of separated on sectarian lines. jamie, when you look -- there are countries in the region, neighbors of iraq and syria, who have clearly a very immediate stake on this. why do you think some aren't stepping up to the plate, like turkey, like saudi arabia? what can they do. >> what should they be doing? >> well, saudi arabia is beginning to step up to the plate in terms of rhetoric. we've head king abdullah

recently laying into isis, warning saudis they shouldn't be supporting isis in any way. in the end, this is a powerful group, jordan and lebanon, leban lebanon's in real trouble. there's an influx of jihadists into lebanon. they didn't have the strength to take them on. kerry was right to talk about a global coalition. this is going to be taken down by a global coalition, regional powers and international powers look at different way of taking them on, and that's not just bombing raids. that's trying to strike them in their heartland of northeastern syria, looking at way undermining financial networks and turkey will be cajoled into doing more. isis people operate in southern turkey, using it as a base to go into syria. turks have to be persuaded, and they have been playing agame, they've got to be on side against on a defensive against the jihadists.

>> if you can -- you said in a way, this is what we've been talking about that may fascinate people that al qaeda sort of pales in comparison to isis, al qaeda still a concern, but it's quiet lately. we've heard of this manual that was put out. but where does al qaeda fit into the new terror landscape? >> so, al qaeda has been eclipsed in many ways. they're still a relevant actor and al qaeda affiliate in syria, nusra front, active in gaining territory in some parts of syria. so al qaeda and its affiliates will be with us for the foreseeable future and they may gain ground if isis begins to lose its aability to hold territory. but i think that isis is presenting a different kind of model that's going to be more of an inspiration in coming years and quite frankly, decades. whenever you have a governance and power vacuum, anywhere in the middle east or broader muslim world extremist groups

are going to think to themselves, maybe we can establish a small little islamic state in this piece of territory because the central government doesn't have a presence. so that's going to be in the minds of people going forward. you already see copycats in places like nigeria with boko haram, for example. >> isis perhaps writing the manual on that in a way. thanks to all of you. appreciate you being with us. >> thank you. what, if anything, can the president and other world leaders do to quell the violence among militant groups? we'll discuss that next. [ brian ] in a race, it's about getting to the finish line. in life, it's how you get there that matters most. it's important to know the difference. like when i found out i had a blood clot in my leg. my doctor said that it could travel to my lungs and become an even bigger problem. and that i had to take action. so he talked to me about xarelto®.

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the mar of of islamist groups is potion a challenge to u.s. policymakers and the president. obama is pledging to protect american interests, but critics, not all republican, say his caution amounts to weakness. and they say his inaction is

empowering america's enemies. let's talk about this with our commentators, ben ferguson and marc lamont hill. ben i know you are critical of president obama. >> sure. >> you feel like he needs to be more forceful, commit more when it comes to military action to deal with the problem. he was elected on a get out of iraq, get out of afghanistan sort of wave. >> sure. but you can't have that as foreign policy when isis was not talked about when he ran for president. when you run for the president you be -- realities are staring you in the fars. your the most well-funded terrorist organization we've seen. they have money al qaeda never dreamed of having and a threat to our interests and others around the world. >> what do you do? >> first, these guys are bad guys, you have to declare they're not jv and admit they are are a threat to the united states of america. the second thing, i'd say, come up with a strategy to deal with them. he said last week, we don't have

a strategy on how we're going to deal with isis and that is what empowers your enemy. they do have a strategy. they have a strategy of taking over cities. they have a strategy of taking over banks, taking their money, killing, selling women off, beheading people. we don't know what our strategy is, that's the problem with the president today. >> what do you see the president's challenges being when you look at what americans want and do not want? they don't want boots on the ground. that seems to be the backstop here. >> yeah, i mean no one wants to boots on the ground. the president has acknowledged that isis is a threat. the president has acknowledges that isis is a threat to u.s. interests. i don't think there's anyone in the world who disputes isiss a legitimate threat. the question is what do you do as a practical matter? the challenge is, one, by attacking isis through the air, you're able to limit them but you don't destroy them. but if u.s. troops end up on the

ground where you may end up with this cutting off one head and three more come and three more emerge and we've seen that before, we've seen it through t occupation of iraq in 2003. as we strike them in syria, whether we want to or not become allies to al assad and that's something we don't want to do. a year ago we were talking about strike him. when you strike in the south in iraq you're an unwilling ally to iran which piled on here. lastly, what you do, you create a kind of narrative in the region among sunnis that sunnis are being oppressed by shia and christians because now you have a u.s.-shia alliance which foments more terrorism. my solution is, let me say me solution, to continue to fund kurds in the north, continue to empower iraqis in the south and rebuild their military and to also arm rebels in syria and lastly, try to get the source of the private money coming from the saudis in qatar. >> the core difference between

foreign policy that you're talking about what i'm talking about and that this, you don't want to directly get involved. you want to use everyone else. unfortunately the united states of america has been the only power in history that has proven we were able to go in and to take on terrorist likes this and not be sending money or things to other individuals and expect them to do it. a lot of the times they're not capable of doing. look at iraq now and look at isis, look how they beat them down, also say this, the idea of i don't want to go in there because for every person we kill, three new terrorists jump up. you can't look at the world and fighting terror ifs that way because that's what's got us in 9/11. we want to limit our actions. therefore these terrorists will be nice to us. these guys are not going to stop fighting they're not going to stop taking over parts of the world. you can't go in on fear there might be more terrorists because we've try that strategy. obama won it, it's been a

failure. >> the administration saying you worry about what you can control. and that certainly would be president obama's leadership on this. marc, i want to ask you about this. a year ago we were in a sort of similar place, the president was considering air strikes on syria after al assad used chemical weapons his own people. he said there was a red line, syria crossed. as it turned out there weren't any type of military ramifications. in the end there was this off-ramp of getting rid of the chemical weapons which certainly is far from complete at this point. but has -- do the president's critics have a point, his failure to act forcefully been an invitation to other of america's enemieenemies? >> to be clear, syria the failure of a military response led to a diplomatic response which led to a drawdown which is what we wanted to see. but to your point, yes, the critics absolutely have a legit

claim against president. the president like many western observers misjudged isis. calling them jv initially, underestimating howme money the ice vis prsis probably lass $2 . we misjudged isis. we probably haven't managed ukraine or russia very well. but that done mean that at this moment we should turn the table and become more militaristic. >> this is an issue -- >> we need a diplomatish dk. >> it's issue of credibility. there's not a lot of credibility. when you say there's a red line and kel cchemical weapons are u six times and we don't respond, now we don't have a strategy with isis, that emboldens terrorist to commit atrocities because we don't actually have a way to deal with this. >> i have to let it rest right

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situation is getting worse by the day, especially after thousands of russian troops moved into the eastern part of the country. but moscow, it is clearly digging in its heels. this week, putin made a point of reminding everyone that russia is a nuclear nation. and today he called for talks that included the issue of statehood in eastern ukraine. on cnn's state of the union, senate foreign relations chair robert menendez proposed a stronger u.s. role. >> if i'm hearing you correctly, the circumstances have changed, russia's now at war in ukraine, and the u.s. has to -- the obama administration has to change its approach to arming the ukrainian army? >> i think the european union, nato, as well as the united states has to consider this is dramatically different and we have to give the ukrainians the fighting chance to defend themselves. i'm not suggesting u.s. troops

or nato troops, but i'm suggesting the ukrainians have the where with all to fight for themselves. >> nato is meeting in wales to try to decide how to respond to the crisis. let's bring in now cnn's reza sayah, live in kiev. this meeting that we're going to see, nato nations discussing what to do. what does ukraine want to see come out of the meetings here? what's realistic for a result? >> reporter: i think they need help. they've asked for military technical assistance. can you hear me? >> yes, sorry, go ahead. >> reporter: yeah, kiev needs help. they're looking for military technical assistance, intelligence, all indications are momentum is shifting in favor of the pro-russian rebels.

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the rise of isis in syria and iraq has been accompanied by frightening report of shooting, beheading and even crucifixes of isis' enemies. the rapid military advances are raising a question that once seemed unthinkable -- could isis operatives reach beyond the middle east to strike targets in europe or even america? i want to bring in former cia operative bob baer and cnn's senior vatican analyst john allen. bob, when most americans first heard of isis, the word was they

weren't interested in striking targets outside of the middle east. were we misled here? >> i think we're misled. what we've seen is them trying to establish territory which they've done in syria and iraq and they're going to probably try to move out beyond that into lebanon. and that's their first goal. as i talked to somebody who deals with isis on a regular basis said they'd like to go to saudi arabia, dead memedina, me. they have a lot of supporters around the world and they're adapt at technology, making bombs and certainly capable of hitting outside the middle east. the question is, do they intend to do it? as this person explained to me, they're psychopaths so it's within their can. >> we heard propose francis weigh in on this, he's voiced support for u.s. air strikes what happen can you tell us about the reports is that there's an isis threat against

him? >> well, brianna, the original report was in the italian press six days ago, suggesting that isis might want to strike against pope francis at the vatican. yesterday there was another report in the italian media voicing concern about a day trip the pope is planning to make in albanian september 21st, this a population of muslims, some have expressed support for isis. so there's alarm about a potential strike against the pope on that day when he's there. in both cases the vatican publicly played down concern, they have confirmed that september 21st day trip to albania is going ahead. but on background, vatican security personnel have told me, right now they are in conversation with their opposite numbers in the italian security services and security experts in the united states, trying to ascertain what the realistic threat level here is. we should say, neither of these reports, that is the first

report of a potential strike at vatican, the second of that the day trip to albania, neither indicated any hard intelligence suggesting that such a plot is actually afoot. it was more that this is something that isis might like to do. >> do you think we'll see his security change, though? that would be visible as he goes out in crowds and meets people from the popemobile. >> well, i mean, look, i'm sure you've clued into the fact that this is a tough pope from the point of view of his security team. he's a legendary spontaneous free-wheeling guy who does not like to be put inside a bubble. it remains to be seen on the ground what's going to happen. i will say, watching him in action, in recent months, he has become a little bit better about letting his security people get in front of him before he plunges into these crowds. i'm sure that he doesn't want to take a needless risk. i know his security people are going to be cautioning him about the importance of not putting

himself kind of heedlessly at risk. but that's always going to chafe up against a the fact the pope does not like to be separated against the folks and we have to see, once on the ground, how it works. >> i wonder, bob, is it really -- is it realistic that an isis operative would target, for instance, the pope or someone of tremendous stature like this, or is the concern someone who may be inspired by isis? >> well, that's always the problem is somebody, a lone wolf going out, getting on the internet, finding out to make home made explosives and if he got lucky he could hurt some people. an organized plot would be difficult to detect because isis is extraordinarily capable of keeping off, you know, networks that national security agency can pick up and other

intelligence agencies. they're better than al qaeda. they know to stay off telephones. so they could slip through either one. i think the real problem is that isis has established a record of massacring christians. as well as other groups. i think that's really the problem. and so unlike al qaeda, who never targeted the pope in a serious way that i know of, isis is more likely to do it. >> that you take their threat more seriously. great insaying from both of you. bob baer, john allen, thank you. the search zone for mh370 is changing again. could crews be closer to locating wreckage in and also the reason for the crash, we have that next.

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mysterious loop around indonesia. recall they said the plane turned from its position and then headed back across malaysia but made a mysterious hook around indonesia. if it turned south -- that was not on radar -- if it turns south before then, then that -- that indication or that thought is now most likely gone. that will put it further south, if it's in the ocean, further south in the indian ocean. they're still going to search on the arc but it's going to be closer to the antarctica area. >> some thought that turn that it made around the fact that it went on radar, some people read into that perhaps that was an intentional action to avoid radar. there was a wonder, whether it was on purpose on something that could have been done by a pilot. i wonder, when you look at this water, we're talking very deep water, is it possible that the plane may be in water so deep that it can't even be recovered at all? >> well, if they can find it

they can recover. the u.s. has a couple of ships, they're very good at recovering. they're built to recover submarines. can be recovered if they find. the biggest challenge, based on what they've seen so far on the oh mapping effort going on, it's very mountainous. there are deep drops. it goes from a mile or two deep and it drops to four or five miles so it's like the grand canyon. the search area is about the size of the grand canyon except three times wider. imagine searching the and

dying but the flight data recorders, the wealth of information, thousand different things it records, to thousands of different pieces of data and you can tell from the flight data recorder if human hands were turning it and flighting it, if it was all on autopilot, if there was a mechanical failure, a catastrophic loss of oxygen, an electrical fire, crack in the fuselage, anything like that will be reported, so if they get it, they will get the answers they need off of the flight data recorder, i'm fairly certain and it's very important,

of course, for the families, but also important boeing and very important for the governments, too, because right now the governments, particularly the malaysian government and how badly it handled the initial investigation, people are blaming them for the loss of the plane because they didn't respond when the plane didn't report in to air traffic control. so it's very important for the malaysian government, too. >> they need to find out what happened and how it happened. mary schiavo, thanks very much. great insight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. now, nascar great tony stewart, he is set to return to racing today after hitting and killing another driver earlier this month. but is his comeback too soon? we will discuss, next. polident kills 99.99% of odor-causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture everyday. ♪

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in just a couple of hours, nascar racer tony stewart returns to the track in atlanta. this is his first race since he hit and killed another driver just three weeks ago. stewart saying the tragedy will affect his life forever. >> this has been one of the toughest tragedies i have ever had to deal with, both professionally and personally and this is something that will definitely affect my life forever. this is a sadness and a pain that i hope no one ever has to experience in their life. >> cnn's sports andy scholes is

at the atlanta motor speedway. andy, the investigation into kevin ward's death, it's still ongoing. so, what went into stewart's decision here to get back behind the wheel? >> brianna, on friday, tony stewart says he took three weeks off out of respect for kevin ward, jr., and his family and grieve in his own way. nascar said on friday, gone through all the steps in order to return to the track and get back to racing and you know stewart, he doesn't have a wife, doesn't have any kids, so, stewart haas racing is his family. he is not only the race car driver, he is the owner of his team, 270 employees. getting back to this environment, getting back to the track he says will help him get through this difficult process. >> and how are the other drivers responding? >> well you know, getting a lot of tears from the fans, other drivers we talked to said it is great to see tony back on the track. here is what they had to same >> good to have tony back. obviously, you know, to be able to communicate with him and talk

to him about racing and just see him start that first step getting back to normal, as his friend is exciting to me. >> i am glae glad to see the fans are happy i the most important thing and tony and other stuff, he is a strong guy. he will figure it out. >> stewart starts 12th here, to make nascar's version of the playoffs, he will have to win this race or next week's race, which is the regular season finally. all eyes will be on tony stewart tonight. >> sure will be. andy scholes, thank you so much in atlanta for us. in the season finale of "the hunt," john walsh revisits the cold case of an abducted boy hits very close to home. he says the pain this family mirror what is he and his wife went through when their own son adam disappeared. >> this guy wearing a mask came out and could see his handgun. this guy told him to get off their bikes, lay down in a ditch

or else he would shoot. he asked one by one what their age was. after that he had trevor and aaron, one by one, run off and into the nearby woods. not to look back or else he would shoot. as aaron was taking off, he saw the man grab jacob's arm. >> when he caught up to trevor and they felt safe enough to turn around and look back, they were gone. they were just gone.

>> the police asked the boys, are you sure you weren't playing with a gun and jacob just got hurt and you were afraid to tell us what really happened, which is a legitimate question, but they were absolutely clear, no, there was this man with a gun. >> so, we start to search the area, the immediate area of the abduction, and start to fan out from there. everybody thought that within a few hours, we would get it taken care of. >> when it comes to missing children, time is the enemy. seconds count. hours count. if that child is going to be killed, it's going to happen within the first few hours. >> we never went to bed that night. yeah we were up all night. it was just crazy. >> there are so many parallels in the wetterling case to our case of adam. and i will never forget that night, when darkness fell and we

started to search for adam. i will never forget that realization and that loneliness. i know exactly whatwett wetterlings are going through. >> don't miss "the hunt" tonight at 9 p.m. eastern on cnn. i'm brianna keilar. "41 on 41" begins right now. george h.w. bush has led a very public life since his election to the house of representatives in 1966. he went on to serve as ambassador to the united nations, director of the cia, vice president, of course, to ronald reagan and finally, served as the nation's 41st president, leaving office in 1993. for the first time, the george bush presidential library and museum is chronicling the personal life of the former president through 41 different voices. world leaders, politicians, friends and family tell their stories of the former president