>> we're still getting details but u.s. officials say the u.s. launched attacks against the al shabab terror network and it targeted a convoy of senior leaders. complete coverage of this breaking story. let's get right to washington with the very latest. what more are we learning about this operation? >> reporter: well, kate, the pentagon is not saying much more at this point about the operation, specifically who the target was, but somali officials say the leader of al shabaab and his deputies were holding a meeting of their top commanders in the rebel-held village hit by the u.s. overnight, and the meeting was how to withstand this ongoing offensive by the somali military and african union trying to flesh them out from the region. godain has been a driving force behind al shabaab's ties to al qaeda and has tried to launch attacks outside somalia. it does seem the u.s. was going

after him and the top leadership but it's unclear whether he or any of the top leaders were killed, and that's what the u.s. wants to assess before they say any more because earlier this year in about january there were several strikes trying to target him, and it doesn't look like obviously they were able to. this comes just a day after a group of al shabaab fighters set up a car bomb at a prison in the capital mogadishu. they launched gunfire against military members to free members of their group who rin mates. kate. >> a lot more we need to learn about this operation and its success, full. great to see you so much. >> let's figure out some more right now. let's bring in will gettis, a security manager and managing director of international corporate protection and mr. davide ross. so elise laid it out there well. let me start with you, davide,

they tried to get this guy twice now. is this about imminent threats or ongoing operations? >> i think ongoing threats is much more likely. when it comes to someone like godain, essentially targeting of him is going to be driven by intelligence. there's also similarly a raid, a u.s.-led raid in the same area last year, just about a year ago, and it was unsuccessful ultimately, but that indicates that the u.s. will strike where it has an opportunity. >> where it has an opportunity. will, let's pick up on that point. why was there an opportunity in this situation? we do know that there are concerns there has been kind of a closing in personnel coming back to somalia to come back to join shabaab. why was this an opportunity? >> godain was a mover and shaker

within al shabaab and has been trying to consolidate al qaeda assets in the region and especially sort of providing that catch mentality within somalia for transnational insurgents to join their cause. godain being a driving force is a key instrument and part of the whole structure and to take him out will somewhat dismantle al shabaab's leadership and to focus on him, particularly from the intelligence borne from the african forces and the smell forces, those forces carrying out reconnaissance is a critical part of the campaign to try to undermine al shabaab's undertaking of movement. as we've seen in mogadishu, they are getting braver in some of their strategies. >> that was an obvious concern, and did you hear from the people on ground fighting against them that when there was word that the allies were coming in, they all but disappeared, the al shabaab fighters, so that was an immediate positive impact in that battle front. davide, everybody has isis on

the brain, and the question will be why are you going after this al qaeda offshoot in north africa when you have this situation so syria in syria and north iraq? >> it's our mistake to take our eye off the ball when it comes to al qaeda. al qaeda is very much being underestimated right now for a variety of reasons, one of which deals precisely with isis is we know that prior to osama bin laden's death he really wanted to rebrand al qaeda. he believed that its brand had been very much diminished by the excessesch abu musab al zarqawi which led al qaeda in iraq and then became isis later on and with isis erase it gives itself an opportunity to rebrand itself a more rational and moderate voice of jihadism. there's more risk of money channeling into the al qaeda networks, even those very moderate in their outlook are looking at whether the al nusra front in syria should be seen as

a counterweight to isis and that's really problematic and i think will be a real problem for us in the long term. >> al qaeda as the more moderate voice of extremism in islam. that is a truly relative and scary threat. but what does this mean in terms of the likelihood of action in syria and/or northern iraq? will, what does it think, that it makes it more likely that you see more military action? >> well, i think it's inevitable somewhat and certainly, again, following what your guest was saying. the biggest concern that we have is a lot of groups merging together. isis was borne from an al qaeda front so you have a consolidation of terrorist groups, and as you've seen this before you'll have various groups working together sharing resource resources and in this particular region it's important to dismantle it, where possible, and otherwise you have an amalgam of groups aiming towards

the same goals and to focus on al shabaab is critical, particularly with the weak borders surrounding somalia and their ability to spread. >> davide, to come back to a point you made earlier on is just because the focus, certainly the media focus son isis, that doesn't mean that the war on terror doesn't have several fronts that demand urgent action. >> absolutely. one of them is sunday somalia. on sunday we could see a major attack launched on one of the prisons in mogadishu and you also have islamist militias that took over the u.s. embassy in tripoli. it had been abandoned before that. because of these groups the libyan government is unable to exercise basic functions of government. a number of other areas in nigeria where boca haram captured a major city so all of that indicates, yes, there's a lot of different front going on

and interconnectedness between these actions and we shouldn't think that syria and iraq is the only thing that matters. >> rear admiral john kirby gives us the information coming out of the defense department about this. any word from either of you two as to whether this was deemed successful in terms of getting the leadership? >> from my point of view there's very little information coming out at the moment but certainly i would say that the strikes by uavs and drones will be more successful because the reconnaissance efforts by special forces have been considerably more successful in determining the whereabouts of various key people. however, al shabaab is a formidable form. they are not stupid and they will keep move themselves around, particularly their figureheads. >> it will be interesting to learn what was deemed success and was there any ground component to it that involved non-somali fighters. thank you very much to boast you, gentlemen. appreciate it. kate? >> this operation is expected to be one of many items on the agenda for the president as he

heads to europe today. he's arriving first in estonia before the nato summit in wales on thursday and friday later this week. the russian aggression in ukraine will be a top priority as they are looking to rein in russian leader vladimir putin and president obama will be looking to build support for the fight against isis while facing severe criticism at home for being too caution in his policy towards the terrorist group. cnn's michelle kosinski joins us this morning with more on the agenda. a lot on the the president's plate right now. >> reporter: hi, kate, it's hard to believe it was only less than a year ago we were talking about nato having something of an identity crisis, like what do we do now and then russia effectively invaded ukraine and now the talk is of expanding membership and rapid response forces.

how is president obama ending up in the sleepy baltic capital of estonia this afternoon? just take a look at its neighbor and russia's unceasing actions down the road in ukraine. and suddenly this added-on meeting with leaders of estonia, latvia and lithuania in order to reaffirm our iron-clad commitment to collective defense. now, once again, just as we commemorate the start of world war ii, nato matters. ukraine is looking to join. nato's secretary-general is looking at creating a rapid response military force ready for emergency defense in 48 hours, something that the white house sports. the sum mid will now look at what to do next about russia as europe draws up new sanctions. yet another crisis looms by

people of the west and they are looking at western passports fighting with syria. >> the military action to go after terrorists. uncompromising action. >> reporter: the president had a bit of a rough long weekend in the press following those words on syria. >> we don't have a strategy yet. >> with head-turning reaction from both parties. >> the russian bear is encountering the obama kitty cat. >> he's very cautious and maybe in this instance too cautious. >> reporter: president has made clear he's loathe to use military force unless it's well thought out and will work, has repeatedly emphasized the need for a strong international coalition on both russia and isis and now this nato summit

has plenty on the table. so now among the goals of this summit are to assess the effectiveness of the international response, not only to russia but to isis and to see what more can be done. kate? >> michelle kosinski at white house for us, a lot at stake. a lot going on around the world and here at home. michaela has more headlines for us. >> here are the headlines at 11 moments ago. more than 100 family members of isis attacks has stormed iraq's parliament building. they are demanding more information about the fate of the victims and for their bodies to be returned to them. this attack happened in june at a camp for iraqi forces near kick rite. family members refusing to leave until officials address their concerns. we'll keep an eye on that. the first human safety trials will begin today for an experimental ebola vaccine. three healthy human volunteers will be tested at the

international institute of health. if found safe it will be given to another group of volunteers and some are warning the ebola outbreak could become a global crisis and is issuing a stay-at-home order for non-essential government workers for another month. i'll speak with tom freeden who just returned from a trip from west africa. protesters in support of michael brown and his family shut down a major road in the city despite a request from the brown family to delay blockade. several demonstrators showed up along interstate 270 and impeded traffic before police arrived. their goal was to be on roadway for four and a half minutes, symbolizing the four and a half hours michael brown's body was left in the street after he was gunned down by a police officer in ferguson. the hunt is on for the hackers who stole and posted naked photos of hollywood a-listers including actress jennifer lawrence. the fbi and apple are both now

investigating how hackers obtained the private photos. the images were apparently accesseded from apple's icloud online storage service. a spokeswoman for lawrence calls the hacking a flagrant violation of privacy and says lawrence has contacted authorities. a little later in the show we'll talk about brett larson -- we all use the icloud. need to figure out how to keep the cloud stuff. >> i've long been suspect of the cloud. >> i'll tell you, i heard the story, my interest went the same place, i don't have any interest in their pictures but what about ours. not those types of pictures, not that i have any. >> come on, now, my mother is watching. >> if they can get to a celebrity, what about everybody else. >> and sorts of other information held through the icloud. >> and most importantly what is an icloud? i have no idea. it's a conspiracy. we'll take a break on "new day." and when we come back we'll have

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. the white house calls release of three americans held in north korea a top priority in response to those unprecedented interviews with intelligent. kenneth bae, jeffrey fowle and matthew miller are all being held for alleged crimes against the skate. correspondent will ripley had rare access speaking to them under close supervision. the three men pleaded with the obama administration to help bring them how many now. will ripley has just left the secretive country and is joining us live now from beijing. will, unpress denned access, a unique opportunity and quite a surprise for you and the crew.

tell us more. >> reporter: it was surreal, kweet. we requested to speak with these three detained americans at the beginning of our trip to north korea. we actually made a couple of different requests and each time we were told it would be virtually impossible to speak with them. we were there covering a completely different event and following around these wrestlers here for an international wrestling tournament doing stories about sports diplomacy when in the middle of one of those two-hour tours we were pulled off the tour and told we had to get in a van. i pulled out my cell phone and started taking the video you see right now of us racing down this empty road through rural north korea towards the capital city pyongyang, and when we arrived in the city, we pulled up to a building. it was a hotel and conference center in an area of town that outside and tourists are not allowed in. it's not on the the government-approved route. we thought we might be speaking to a government bushel, but when we went to the front door and

stood there they came out and briefed us and said we would be speaking with the three detained americans. we had five minutes with each and we had to follow a very strict set of guidelines and were told if we strayed beyond the approved topics the consequences would be severe. >> i do need help from the u.s. government. >> this interview is my final chance to push the american government into helping me. >> i'm getting desperate for help. >> the three americans detained in north korea uniting in a clear and possibly coached message. send a u.s. envoy. >> i do believe that special envoy needs to come in order to resolve the situation i'm in right now. >> an opportunity for maybe bill clinton to come back, george bush as his turn as an elder statesman to try his hand at that. >> north korea's leader kim jong-un has previously shown no willingness to release kenneth bae or the other two men. so far the u.s. state department has not revealed a plan to free

the three men held right now, a spokesman only saying, quote, we continue to work actively to secure these three u.s. citizens' release. >> if there was ever a time to step up efforts, it's now. >> reporter: family of kenneth bae pleads for the u.s. to respond, bae serving 15 years hard labor for what north korea calls a christian plot to undermine the regime. >> he is an american citizen, a father of three, and, you know, he is pleading for help from our government. the message has been consistent all along. it's up to our leaders to seek his amnesty. >> reporter: bae asked his family to pray for him saying his health is failing, working six days a week in a labor camp. >> it's been very difficult sleeping at night, and working in the field every day. >> reporter: bae and his sister say he needs help now. >> primary concern is his health and that there's some pem nernt damage being done. we need to have him come home.

>> reporter: kate. the message delivered by the three americans was remarkably similar. they all said their situation is urgent or desperate. they said they are being treated humanely, and they also said they want the u.s. government to send a special envoy so one would assume perhaps they were spoken to or coached ahead of time, just like we were spoken to ahead of timed about the parameter for these interviews. behind the camera what you didn't see, kate, a group of people, north korean government officials timing us and monitoring our every move and photographing and videotaping us as well. we didn't end up in the pyongyang newspaper that i picked up on plane, but it wouldn't surprise me if photos and video of our interview ended up on state-controlled media in north korea sometime in the future. >> i did want to ask you, will, more about the circumstances, more that you can speak more freely now that you're out of country. i wanted to get a sense of what it was like heading into the interviews. you said going on you didn't know who you would be speaking with almost until you were walking into the room. were they nervous?

what were the circumstances? >> yeah, i mean, the way it works often in north korea, especially journalists who have been in there multiple times, things were highly unpredictable, and in our case we were told that something was impossible and then in just a very short period of time all of a sudden we were granted access the to three detained americans who have been kept isolated from each other but they were in rooms in the same building just feet apart, yet they didn't know each other's names, aside from kenneth bae who has been there for more than two years and been in the news. he was familiar to the other two men, but they have never seen each other face-to-fair, and we just walked from room to room. there was a lot of tension, tension on our part because, you know, we were told, we had a flight out in the morning, but if the government was displeased with the tone of our reporting, there would be consequences. again, mentioning that we had a flight out in the morning. what would have happened, we don't know. we abided by the guidelines we agreed to and the timing we agreed to. inside north korea, kate, you

feel the oppressive power of the government. everywhere you look there are photos of the leaders. they are in every paper that you read. it talks about the supreme leaders, and two of these men, it's significant, were arrested for charges based on religious activity. religion is viewed as a threat to the north korean regime because the divine people in that country are the leaders, kate. >> and, will, i mean, it seems pretty clear choreography on the part of north korea as it always does when it comes to letting any western journalist in. i wonder since you've been out now that you're in beijing have you heard any more response from the u.s. government in response to their pleas and calls for help from a special enjoy? >> nothing as of right now aside from the statement that it remains a top priority which is usually what is said when there is no real headline or no real announcement to make as of yet, but usually, as you know, discussions tend to happy about

hind closed doors. in the geopolitical seem of things north korea doesn't have any bargaining chips. china is one of north korea's biggest benefactors. this is a country that very much wants an open line of communication with the u.s., and frankly these three detained americans is one of the few things they can have that can put them on the radar aside from a barrage of missile tests. >> great reporting. thanks so much for bringing it to us. talk to you soon. the u.s. military strikes a terror group in somalia. who was targeteded? how were they targeted, and was it successful? information still coming in. we'll have the very latest, and a flight forced to land in south korea after a cabin pressure problem. passengers broke out their cell phone cameras to document the response and what happened next. we'll show you the new pictures coming in. [anclose.r] play closd

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good to have you back with us here on "new day." here's a look at your headlines. in a bold effort to fight terror british prime minister david cam ran has proposed dramatic new measures, among them giving police power to seize passports of british citizens suspected of supporting isis and other terror groups abroad and attempting to return home. prime minister cameron is also

reporting to force them to attend deradicalization programs. jury deliberations begin today in the trial of four government contractors who gunned down 17 iraqis. the question is whether the blackwater guards were justified in opening fire. iraqi witnesses have testified that they fired without provocation, but some of the government's own witnesses have said the guards could have believed they were under attack. the incident contributed strongly to the rise of anti-american sentiment in iraq. former house majority leader eric cantor has a new job on wall street. cantor works recently left congress after he was defeated in a republican primary, will join the vest form as vice chairman and managing director. cantor will have an office at the firm's new york headquarters but will open a new office for the company in washington. all right. here you go. a first look at angelina jolie and brad pitt's wedding pictures, know you wanted to see them courtesy of "people" magazine. >> i was there. >> of course you were.

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comes down or the oxygen mask come down and in the second flight the plane had to be diverted to south carolina on sunday, two hours after taking off from grand rapids, michigan. >> i thought we were just going to go down. >> panic in the skies as an aliege ant air flight suffered pressurization issues leaving more than 150 passengers on board terrified. >> it was wrong with my air pocket and my chest locked up a little bit. >> and one passengers managed to captured the panicked moments on cell phone vud as oxygen masks fell from the ceiling. >> it got cold in the plane, and all of a sudden all the oxygen masks fell down. >> passengers scrambled to put their masks on as the plane was forced to make an emergency landing in south carolina. >> as soon as i looked out the window they told me to close the window and not look outside so that freaked me out a little bit. >> airline officials say they have not yet determined what caused the plane to lose pressure, but they are

conducting a full investigation. and another incident in the skies, an unruly passenger forced a delta flight to be diverted to jacksonville, florida, where authorities met the plane and removed the passenger. >> this woman who is sitting next to me knitting actually just tried reclining her seat back. the woman behind her started screaming and swearing and then flight attendant came over and that just exacerbated what was going on and then she demanded that the flight land. >> by my count that's the third reclining seat problem over the past week that's caused a flight to have to be diverted. the delta plane returned to its final destination in west palm. at least the third incident over a reclining plane in the last few weeks. >> unbelievable. >> pretty much is your worst nightmare, you think you're going some place and you have toned up spending your night in south carolina or have the plane diverted because of an unruly passenger. >> can't we all just give our heads a shake for a second and get our common sense back.

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breaking overnight. we're learning more about a u.s. operation conducted in somalia against the al shabaab terror network. the pentagon has not released many details but a somali official says a drone strike targeted the islamic militant group senior leaders.

it's unclear if any of the members were wounded or killed, but let's bring in some of our smarter minds and turn to our guests. >> this is one -- somalia is one of many fronts that the president is facing in terms of what to do -- what to do with terror networks really around the globe at this point. what do you make, even though we don't have a lot of details. what do you make of the u.s. operation in somalia at this time? what do you make? >> part of a continuing process. sort of sending drones over to somalia and taking strikes at their leadership since 2008. it looks like this was targeted at a man cold abdul abdi godane, the attack in the shopping mall. it looks like they were targeting him but not clear if he caught him. hard to make a pat everyone here pause in somalia we're being

familiar more adventurous than we're being in syria. in somalia there's no immediate threat to any american nationals or any direct american interests whereas in iraq there is so the policy there is different. it looks like there's different horses for different courses and that might be the smartest way to do this. all they may all be islam groups the operations and the threats they represent are different. >> how is this the smartest way to do this? how do the obama administration advisers make the argument you? laid it out really well, bobby. there's not necessarily -- we don't see it right here, an immediate threat to the u.s. homeland or to americans in somalia for this targeted attack. a bit of a different situation in iraq. why different applications? why different approaches? >> well, the kindest explanation is that this is sort of a hidden hand presidency approach, something more cohesive going on in the background. the criticism from the president, dianne feinstein and, the senator on down, there's a lack of consistency and lack of

backbone. >> dianne feinstein is one of the more considerate, deliberative kind voiced to the president that you will get in the u.s. senate. this is not a woman who is going out there spouting off whatever she wants on the sunday talk shows just to make a headline. she is very considerate in the words that she chooses. >> and a very hawkish democrat and that's why her criticism carries such weight both in washington and close observers around the world. there is an increasing concern that we're getting to the halfway mark of the second term. some things get cast in the light of history, and there is a concern about the president in withdrawing from a more activist role in the international community, that vladimir putin has tried to filled that vacuum, that isis has filled that vacuum so now is a testing time for the president and the larger international community. we see the a la carte atargets, being very aggressive targeting al qaeda and other groups with drones and special forces but shying away from the global commitment that defined the "w"

years. is that disjoint or is that a foreign policy approach? >> it's hard to see this as a policy. it is disjointed. it might be that the obama administration has decided this is the only way to approach this. as i was saying earlier, these are very different kinds of groups. they may have a common way in the background of islamist ideology but the way they operate is quite different and the threats they represent is quite different so it might be that the most product call way to approach it is to approach the different groups differently. the trouble is that the main act, if you like, is ally's little sis, just talking about islamist groups at the moment. at moment the main act is isis and what are we doing there. that part -- that piece of it seems insubstantial. we've done air strikes in iraq. they have worked. with the help of iraqi forces, with the help of kurdish forces, the isis has lost territory, and that's very important but not much is being done in syria and not much is being done to target

the isis leadership. >> take this all in the context now that the president is heading to -- heading to meet with nato leaders. there's a lot that they need to discuss. russia is obviously a top priority as well in its aggression in ukraine but where's nato here? >> this is a critical moment for nato and the future that have alliance. they have the opportunity to double down and re-establish how integral they are at securing international order, both in contrast to russia, which was originally how they were formed back in the cold war days and in dealing with this sort of threat which isis represents which is beyond nation state order. look, nato has been reluck tantd. europe has been reluctant to wade into these issues even when they are in their own back yard when it looks to be in the good war so president obama needs to establish its leadership working with cameron and nato needs to re-establish how essential it is in maintaining international order, not just with special rapid deployment organizations which is one of the innovations they are talking about deploying

but really digging down and finding its purpose and a clear strategy for the west in confronting these threats. >> what do nato leaders want to hear from president obama going into this summit, do you think? >> well, if he's getting criticism from dianne feinstein behind closed doors he'll get much more of the same from the nato leadership because they think they are facing, particularly the eastern nations are facing an existential threat and what they are hearing from nato is sort of mixed messages. on the one hand you have anders fogh rasmussen saying, well, if ukraine wants to join that should be ukraine's choice and president obama is saying whoa, no, no, no, no. ukraine joining is not on the table right now. on one hand you have a nato that appears to be poking the russian bear. on the other hand you have the president saying no, no, we're not going into any kind of military adventures there, so that sort of two different voices being spoken but one alliance is -- actually opens up possibilities for -- for putin. putin is saying that and says my

enemies are divided and this is our moment. >> we have deeper divisions within turkey and other coalitions with germany. putin flashed the nuclear card the other day as one of his trump plays. this is an opportunity if nato can get together and send forth a clear message. putdin may provoke the thinking of something that he long wanted to avoid and that's a unified nato. they want to make sure it's not simply a u.s.-led alliance that it's not functioning in with the diverse array of threats all unfolding in realtime right now? seems an opportunity but i think it ended on a perfect note. realtime right now. seems that time is what there is not much more of in any of these fronts that the president is facing, the international community as well. great to see you guys. john, bone, thank you so much the ukrainians say russia has launched a war. with vladimir putin now

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president, quote, i can take kiev in two weeks. today russia says those comments were taken out of context. ukraine is accusing putin of launching a great wear on the country by edging further into eastern ukraine, and nato leaders are now working on creating a quick reaction force to answer any future moves from russia. how will that be perceived? how would that work and what would it mean? let's get some perspective from vladimir posner, a russian tv personality and journalist. let's start with the russian president saying that he could take kiev in two weeks. do you think that was real, or do you think it was taken out of context, and if so, how? >> you know, quite frankly, i find it difficult to comment on who mr. baruso said because he's one that reported that and i

don't know what mr. putin said. i do think there's a tendency to take a lot of things out of context on both sides. frankly i think that should russia actually want to take kiev in two weeks it could do it. it's a much stronger country militarily, but i somehow doubt that putin would say that. makes no sense to say it. i do think it was probably taken out of context. i would like to hear the entire phrase when he said it rather than just those words. >> why do you think the russian president has been slow to confirm the facts on the grounds in terms of russia's obvious involvement? >> you know, that's an interesting question. on the one hand, it would seem to me that there has to be involvement. people have spoken about russian military people on the ground in eastern ukraine, 2,000 men. on the other hand, what's 2,000 men when you figure out that -- that the ukrainian army is there and the ukrainian army is, what, tens of thousands of men so

1,000 russian military is what, a drop in the bucket. it seems to me that there's a very strong sentiment in russia that that part of ukraine, which is now being called new russia and which once upon a time was part of the russian empire, is being seen more and more as zag much closer to russia actually than to ukraine, and i think there's been a -- i don't know whether it's legitimate or not, but there's been a worry that what the united states and what the west in general want is to establish their presence in ukraine and the presence of nato, and would i have to say, at least in my opinion, that that is something that russia will not accept even if there is a real war. there's no real war now. there's fighting, but if we're going to use the term war, the -- the appearance of nato forces on ukrainian ground could be something that will really lead to a war. >> it's interesting. it's such an opposite perspective because from the

western perspective the fact that russian troops are definitely on the ground. i've heard that 1,000 number. i don't know how it's substantiated, but i can confirm for you having been in eastern ukraine and witnessed the fighting there are many russian uniforms there. there's many russian people there in positions of leadership. there's a lot of russian equipment on the ground and that that presence is the obvious threat, not nato. nato would be brought in defensively from what is an obvious act of aggression on the russian part, no? >> well, the russians see nato as an aggressive force, as a force that is against russia. they have always seen it that way, and i say, look, looking back to the cuban missile crisis, cuba, an independent country, fidel castro, a leader and khrushchev, the soviet leader agreed to put soviet missiles in cuba.

legally they could do it. the united states said not only would they allow that and they would sink russian ships necessary and there would be a world war iii because the united states felt that it was a threat, and i would agree that it was a threat. russians, whether they are right or wrong, they did debate this, but they have always seen nato as a threat to their security, and if nato were to appear on the russian border it would be like russian troops appearing on the american border in mexico. they simply will not allow that, and it is a different understanding, but i think if you don't make the effort, you, i don't mean you personally, but if we don't make the effort to understand that there is a radical difference in the way we look at things, we're in trouble because we will not be able to talk to each other, and i think we're not talking to each other. i think we're talking at each other, and here's what we have. >> so now is the latest and perhaps best opportunity to have bilateral negotiations here, multi-lateral obviously nominally, but there will be

russian and u.s. representatives putting it on the table. what do you think russia wants? what do you think the motivation is for the russian president here? >> it's awfully hard for me to guess what vladimir putin thinks. he has -- as you know, he has a spokesperson by the name of mr. peskoff, and he's the one to as, at least for the official view. i would say the following, a, a guarantee that there would be no nato troops in ukraine, b, that the russian population, and there's a lot of ethnic russians in the southeast of ukraine, that somehow they be guaranteed a greater degree of independence than they have today. now, a lot of the leadership down there are saying we want statehood. we want to be totally independent, and i don't think that putin is going to want that, but some kind of federal situation where it would be like a state in the united states or

like a land in germany where they have much greater independence from the central government, some kind of guarantees that the west would not try to pull ukraine away from russia, and i realize that we're talking about geopolitical interests here, and how shall i put this, the ukraine is so close historically and even ethnically in the sense of loyalty to russia that there's a sense that you guys are trying to come into our territory. i'm giving you, not my view, but the general view. >> it's very helpful because then you get into this extension argument, and i think this is probably the last point we can hit on in this conversation, but, okay, i understand you. there's a bick russian influence in ukraine. there's a big connection, well, that goes for a lot of now independent countries there since we had world war ii go by, and you heard the president

mention kazakhstan. this is a religiously independent group. kazakhs are their own people and culture but you have a higher percentage of russian people in kazakhstan than you do in ukraine, 17% versus 23% and the russian president says, well, it's kind of a made-up state. that kind of sounds like what, are they next? where do you extend this rationale of closeness to russia? >> i think that's a very, very interesting question. i think the way the russians would see it is this. there are three countries that they call slav, that is to say the same culture, same religion, ukraine and belarus. kazakhstan nothing of the sort, a completely different country. there was nos could stan that long ago. it is a state created by the soviets, a completely new thing. i don't think there's any danger whatsoever of russia trying to take over kazakhstan, forget it, but belarus and ukraine are just

very special to russia. rightly or wrongly, but historically that's the way that it is. >> no small irony that the discussions in minsk taking place obviously in belarus and will they -- what will that mean when obviously vladimir putin seems to have his eyes on the prize? vladimir posner, thanks for the perspective. good to have you back on "new day," and look forward to talking to you going forward. just got the inside scoop from a russian journalist about what may be happening with russia. we'll have to find out what these negotiations bring. we have the attack in somalia, and we have emerging situations all over the globe and here at home so let's get right to the latest. >> the u.s. attacking terrorists in small why. >> targing the al shabaab terrorist group there. >> it's been pretty much a disastrous week for ukrainian forces. >> next week i'll be in europe to coordinate with our closest allies and partners. >> the russian bear is ebb don't

you are the obama kitty cat. >> north korea still has these people and they want the u.s. to do something about it. >> if there's ever a time to step up the efforts it's now. >> these are average americans and taken and held as though they are subversive spies or terrorists. good morning. welcome back to "new day." we begin with break. it's 7:00 in the east. a military action against a terrorist organization in somalia. >> and now a look into whether any senior leaders were taken out. let's start again live this morning from washington. eli elise, what more are we learning? >> reporter: smell officials are saying the leader of al shabaab ahmed godane and his deputies were holding a meeting of his top commanders and that meeting off how to withstand the ongoing offensive by the somali military

and african union aiming to flush them out from the region, but the u.s. is not acknowledging whether godane is the target quite yet. the pentagon says it wants to assess the success of the operation before commenting, and that is because we've been here before. earlier this year a u.s. drone strike killed a high ranking al shabaab intelligence officer. godane was not killed and godane has really been the driving force between al shabaab's close ties to al qaeda. he's pressed the group to launch attacks outside somalia, but it's unclear, you know, what's going to happen now and whether they are kill. kate, there's been an ongoing struggle between al shabaab and the somalis for control over the prisons and just a day earlier one of the main prisons in this area is mogadishu was targeted by this group. they stormed there and launched a car bomb and that's because they wanted to freeze some of their inmates that are believed

to be held in the priss ops. many prisoners suspected of being al shabaab members or having links to the group being held there. we're not sure if that's part of this attack, the drone strike that happened overnight, but clearly a lot of activity right now in somalia, kate. >> absolutely right. first and foremost we have to know more about who was targeted and whether or not it was a success overnight. elise, thank you so much. >> the man who called for that strike president obama leaves for europe today ahead of this week's nato summit. the crisis in ukraine, obviously front and center, along with a new proposal from nato for a quick reaction force to counter any aggression there, specif specifically from russia. also on the agenda is how to contain the spread of isis. let's get live to michelle kosinski. everybody has an idea of what the u.s. should be doing because only one man who is going to ultimately call the shot. what do you think the president's agenda is when he gets to europe? >> remember, it was less than a year ago that everybody was taking about this identity crisis that nato had, you know, what should we be doing.

>> oh, yeah, summit coming up in wales, but russia effectively invaded ukraine and now the talk is about ukraine possibly joining nato. the other member states, smaller neighbors of russia looking around and reminding the larger member states that at the heart of the nato treaty is collective defense. now nato is talking about putting together this rapid response military force, so that's one of the reasons why president obama added the stop in estonia before the nato summit. he'll also be meeting with latvia and lit anyeah, reassuring them. the u.s. called it an iron-clad commitment to collective defense, and, plus, west now has this isis threat looming, so among the goals of this nato summit will be assessing the effectiveness of the international response to both russia and isis and seeing what more will be done, and president obama is going to be wanting to

lead those discussions and whatever action will be taken. chris? >> it will be interesting to see is this the opportunity for nato to become the we. we always say who is going to do something? we'll have to. who is we? >> interesting to see if nato steps up if the president can motivate that. michelle, thanks very much. >> let's bring in senator angus king, independent senator from maine who sits on both the senate intelligence committee and the committee on armed services. senator, good to see you. thanks for coming in. >> great to join you. plenty to talk about this morning. >> there sure is. let's get right to it. >> i wanted to ask you first, especially from your perch setting on the senate intelligence committee, what you have learned if the committee was briefed on this operation in somalia overnight. have you heard anything more this morning? >> i haven't heard anything more this morning i think this is part of the ongoing efforts of the administration to use lethal force, when necessary, to try to

decapitate some of these organizations. leadership is important, kate, and i think that was the target of al shabaab and clearly similar kinds of strikes taking place against isis. i think that's part of the strategy of the administration. >> and one question still this morning on that somali raid and operation is whether or not it was successful and who exactly were the targets. have you gotten any suggestion of that yet? >> no, i was in touch with my top security guy this morning about 20 minutes ago and we did not have any word of a of right now, what the results were. i think the outlines of the strike have emerged, but we won't know for probably hours if not days whether or not it was successful. >> this all comes, of course, as president obama is facing increased pressure and a whole lot of criticism among his

approach in how to deal with isis, specifically in iraq and syria. i wanted to get your take. senator dianne feinstein, you know her very well, she eats chairwoman of your committee, she also had some very important words about the president's approach saying that this has shown that he is cautious, maybe too cautious with regard to isis. do you agree? >> well, i think it's a real challenge. you know, the president is in kind of a box. the public wants a strong muscular president that takes action on our behalf and yet at the same time the public doesn't want another war in the middle east. there's a little bit of schizophrenia on the part of the public. i never saw anything like the reaction we had a year ago when the president was talking about strikes in syria with regard to the chemical weapons. people didn't want us to do it, and yet at the same time they criticized the president for not being aggressive enough. i think they are trying to find the right balance.

i do think one way they could be i think more effective and more aggressive with regard to isis is to strike in syria. iraq is where isis is headquartered. kate, isis is the real deal. they are a real threat in a number of ways and one of the ways that bothers me, a number of their people, in the thousands, are from european and other countries that have what's called the visa waiver program from the united states so they can get back to their country, get on an airplane in paris and london and fly to the u.s. no questions asked, and this is a real danger to us, and i think -- i think the president is realizing that and is upping the ante incrementally, and i think he's got to take the next

logical step. >> where do you see evidence that the president is realizing that? i was reading in an opinion piece written by john mccain and lindsey graham and they put it this way. continuing to confront isis in iraq and not syria is fighting with one hand tied behind our back. it seems that you agree with that. what is the hesitancy then on the part of the administration to do just, that get the other hand out from the back? >> well, there is the question of what is the president's authority here and what's congress' role? he certainly has the authority as commander in chief to protect american citizens, and if you notice he's been very careful to justify the strikes in iraq so far as either preventing a humanitarian crisis with the yezidis or protecting american citizens. striking isis' headquarters in iraq and syria is a different

level of action, if you will, and, you know, there's -- congress can't have it both ways. we can't sit on the sidelines and continually criticize and yet at some point we're going to have to make some decisions about what level of commitment we're going to authorize the president to make. i think he is -- i agree with lindsey graham and john mccain in this case. i don't always, but in this case i think they are right. these guys are dangerous. they are clearly a danger to the united states, to american citizens, and as i say if they don't -- if they ignore the border between iraq and syria i don't know why we should worry too much about it. i think we have to hit them in their leadership. that's one of this group's strengths is their leadership and management, and i think that's where we have to try to strike. >> senator, you raise an important point. what is the role of congress here? congress returns after the break next week.

do you think congress should have -- i guess maybe the question is how much say do you think congress should have on the way forward for the president with regard to isis? >> well, you know, the constitution is very clear. it says that the president is the commander in chief, but congress has the power to declare war. we haven't declared a war since i think world war ii. >> that's exactly right. >> and it's a little frustrating that congress is very good at second guessing. that's probably our number one skill. not very good at actually making the decisions, so whether or not the president should turn this over to congress, i think congress needs to have a vigorous debate, and the american people have to be engaged in that debate about what are our interests. how far are we willing to go and how do we exercise american power in a way that is sensible, that will be effective and yet doesn't drag us into a war that could frankly last generations. here's a great danger, kate.

this can't be turned into a war between the muslim world and the non-muslim world. that's just what isis wants, and if that happens, if we're dragged into that kind of debate and confrontation, our grandchildren are going to be fighting that war, and that's not the war we should be fighting. we should be isolating these people that are extremists and that don't represent the mainstream of islamic thought and frankly the only cooed news is that isis is so bad that they have formed a focus for people that are normally enemies, iran, israel, saudi arabia, the u.s., everybody believes that these guys need to be contained and controlled, and that may be -- as i say, that may be the only good news coming out of this is that they are a common enemy from most of the rest of the world but they have to keep them isolated and not allow them to

turn this into a war between muslim -- the muslims and the rest of the world. that would be a disaster. >> senators, you point out. this is an important debate to be had, but when does debate need to wrap up and action need to begin. that's kind of the question facing the president right now. a lot of deliberations going on. you're one of the strong voices on this. thanks so much for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you, kate. glad to be with you, and i think we all need to realize this is a dangerous time and caution isn't about a bad thing in this situation. >> senator angus king, thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. chris? >> a robust debate the senator was calling for. that's certainly needed. we want to turn to an unprecedented interview of the three americans being held in north korea, kenneth bae, jeffrey fowle and matthew miller, all being held for alleged crimes against the state. the men spoke with cnn's will ripley and probably coached comments. they pleaded with the obama

administration to get them released. women has just left the secretive country and joints from us beijing so he's free to speak once again. will, this is very interesting. you weren't expecting this when you went into north korea but now you're making a lot of news coming out of it. tell us about it. >> reporter: yeah. we certainly requested this interview the moment we arrived in country and requested it a couple of times during our six-day visit but we were told it would be virtually impossible to meet with the american detainees so you can imagine our surprise when we were on government-controlled tour and all of a sudden we were whisked away and put on a van and driven towards the capital. i pulled out my cell phone and started recording because i wanted to document exactly what was happening. we had no idea where we were going at the time and we went to a building, a secret location in central pyongyang and to a place where outsiders and tourists are not normally allowed. we were told we would have five

minutes with each of the americans detained, kenneth bae there nearly two years and matthew miller and jeffrey fowle each there since they were detained separately in a.it's remarkable, chris, how similar their messages were, particularly their messages for the united states. take a listen. >> i believe that special envoy needs to come nofd to resolve this situation that i'm in right now. >> i've been asking help for a long time, and there's been no movement from my government. the american government is known for having a strong policy of protecting its citizens and for my case there's no movements. >> an opportunity for maybe bill clinton to come back and he can seek -- assisted in the release of a journalist and maybe george bush is an elder statesman that could help with that. appreciate his help if it could help resolve our cases and bring us home.

>> chris, other almost identical talking points between these three detainees. they admitted their guilt and asked for forgiveness from the north korean government and insist they are being treated humanely. >> your take on why north korea is putting them out and your response as to what the u.s. government response will be? >> i'll tell you, north korea doesn't have a whole lot of cards to play right now geopolitically. here in beijing tensions are rising between north korea and china, and china has been a major benefactor that's essentially allowed this country's economy to continue limping along in spite of very strong sanctions from the united states and others that have crippled the economy there for decades. increased continuation on that front, not to mention the fact that north korea really hasn't been in the headlines as of late. they have been doing a lot of missile tests and barely get mentioned anymore. there's a possibility of a nuclear test looming at some

point in the future and what they have is three americans in their custody and they saw this as an opportunity to -- to put them on cnn and use these people perhaps to convey a message to the u.s. government that they want to open a line of communication. >> the situation has been going on a long time. there's been windows in the past for some move president. we'll have to see what happens this time. will ripley, big interviews. thanks for bringing them to us. a lot of news this morning as well going on around the world and here at home. >> we'll start overseas and then some other local stuff starting with breaking news this morning. 100 family members of victims of an isis attack have stormed iraq's parliament building. they are demanding more information about the fate of the victims, their loved ones, and for their bodies to be returned. this attack happened in jump at a camp for iraqi forcesner tirk rite. they are refusing to leave. >> pakistan's prime minister has met with military leaders to look at the option of resigning for three months. now this is according to a

government official with direct knowledge of the situation. however, a website for the country's military says those reports are false. the alleged discussions are taking place as deadly protests rage in the streets of islamabad. demonstrators are asking the leader to step down saying the last elections were rigged. a panel of judge will be first to address a controversial surveillance program. today's hearing stems from a suit filed by the aclu that says the collection of meta data is a violation of privacy rights and federal law. 25 u.s. navy sailors and marines were rescued with only minor injuries after their helicopter crashed in the arabian sea monday. the navy says no hostile activity was involved in that crash. the marine chopper was attempting to land on an amphibious transport ship following training exercises

when that accident occurred so thank goodness they were rescued and only -- that could have been terribly devastating. >> could have easily gone the other way. fresh from his trip from west of a cat director of the cdc and find out what he thinks about the strategy to quarantine west africa until the deadly ebola virus clears up. >> and the mid term campaign is in full spring. we'll check out what's happening "inside politics. can the "

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africa including nigeria and sierra leone. i understand you wanted to see firsthand for yourself it's worse than you feared. >> absolutely. we've seen outbreaks of ebola before. this is the first epidemiic spread widely through theout the country and many countries, and it's spiraling out of control. it's bad now and much more than the numbers show and it will get worse in the future and our window of opportunity to turn it around is closing and it's not yet closed. the crucial thing we need to do is to act fast. action today is worth much more than action within a day or a month or two. >> explain why the window is closing. >> what we're seeing is a spiraling of cases, really a hugely fast increasing basis that's harder and harder to manage. the more we can get in there and tamp that down, the -- the fewer cases we'll have in the weeks and months to come. right now the epidemic is completely out of control.

>> you said the world cannot isola isolate. what do you mean by your comments? >> we're all connected and even if we wanted to we can't seal the countries off. the measures taken to make it harder to fly in and fly out have made it harder to get help in and harder to control the epidemic and therefore paradoxically have increased risks to other places. hi to scramble to leave a day early because my flight was cancelled. to get from one country to another i had to hop on a u.n. plane because my flight was cancelled. this is making it really hard to get help in and respond effectively to the outbreak. we can't reject these countries. they are part of the world, and the longer the outbreak and epidemic goes on there, the more that all of us are potentially at risk. >> i get a sense that

international powers are one angle of the problems but i understand some of these rural areas have their own unique issues. did you get a sense of that while you were there? >> i spoke with the minister of health in guinea. he had just come back from an area which has a really large outbreak of cases, and the community doesn't understand. they don't have even radio transmission there and he was pelted with stones and almost harmed trying to bring assistance so one of the things that we have to do is provide not just the ebola assistance but general assistance to areas like that in the you'll area, the epicenter and crucible, if you will, is this three-country area in what's called the mano river which is the three countries all have a shared border with the epidemic and probably started and remains most intense. if we can tamp it down there by providing things like bed nets and soap and carter water and information to people and services then we can begin addressing it at the source of

the source. part of that is also winning over the trust of the people on the ground. they see these outsiders come in and these crazy looking isolation suits and i'm sure that causes a fair amount of for a. you have to be aware of the cultural defenses and sensitivities and that poses a challenge, too, does it not? >> one of the things that really struck me is how open people were within societies to do more of themselves and to get more help. everyone from the presidents of each of the countries down to front line health workers said to me we'll do whatever we can but we can't do it all ourselves. we need training and how to do it better. we need some resources that we don't have. we need things like trucks that we don't have. there's so much that's needed, but 90% of the care being given in ebola care units is by local staff and i talked with folks who are working until 10:00 at night on dreadful jobs like burying ebola-infected bodies and then going back to their homes and not being allowed in and going back the next day to do the job again. they want to control it and we have to help them now.

>> let's talk about here in the united states. are you fearing that there could be an outbreak here? are we safe from ebola. we saw two cases handled swiftly and with great result. where do we stand? >> well, i think to help stop it there is going to be the best way. >> the key to stop it here. >> people can give resources and money to groups like msfor unicef or the cdc foundation. experts and people who are specialist in hospital administrations or doctors in africa can volunteer and we have to really work together. for doctors on the front lines and emergency departments here, they have to think about travel. someone has been in west africa in the past three weeks and has a fever, they test for ebola. >> blast final thought. are you hopeful for the treatment of the ebola vaccine? >> i hope we'll have a treatment. we can't count on it. we know that the method that we used has stopped every ebola outbreak today but what we have

to do now is scale them up massively. >> dr. tom frieden just back from west africa with the latest on the ebola outbreak and virus and the clinical trial of this vaccine. thank you, sir. >> a desperate plea from three americans detained in north korea asking for the u.s., begging for the u.s. to help them. an exclusive tv interview with cnn. could this new call for help lead to direct negotiations between the u.s. and north korea? also, the president's foreign policy under attack from the right and the left as the commander in chief heads to europe to address global issues. he may be all alone. details ahead on "inside politics." (vo) get ready! fancy feast broths. they're irresistabowl... completely unbelievabowl... totally delectabowl. real silky smooth or creamy broths. everything she's been waiting for. carefully crafted with real seafood, real veggies, and never any by-products or fillers.

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there are big decisions that need to be made on pressing situations all over the globe so what will happen? let's get the scoop on "inside politics" on "new day" with mr. john king. >> chris, kate, michaela, good morning. our first time after labor day. we're in the stretch. two months till election day in the big mid-term election day. with me is julie pace, jonathan martin of the "new york times." let's start with the president. he was in wisconsin on labor day. i'm going to ask you to explain why in a minute because the president's number one priority is protecting the democratic majority in the senate. well, there's no senate race in wisconsin, but listen to the president's message talking about how the republicans in congress oppose just about everything he wants and then this. >> most of the policies i'm talking about have two things in common. they are going to help more working families get ahead, and the republicans who run our

congress oppose almost all of them. don't boo. vote. >> julie pace, don't boo, vote. you write about what i'm going to call the obamaocratic oath. do not harm. is that why he's not in a state with a big senate race? >> absolutely. the senate is his top priority. he's just not very popular in these states where there's tough senate races, places like louisiana, arkansas and north carolina so what the white house is doing during this election season looking at places where he can go and that's states he won in both of his presidential bids and where they have tough gubernatorial races, florida, wisconsin and michigan. you'll see him pitching that message hoping it will resonate back in some of the senate races. >> keep in mind, john, for his legacy in the long term, his biggest accomplishment is the affordable care act, and those governor races could decide whether or noted medicaid, pangs

piece that have law takes place so in some places the governor race is as good. >> scott walker is the republican candidate and democrats -- the governor's race is close. scott walker showed up on the tarmac. he's the republican. democrats don't like him. he shows up and he's done this before. i actually like this, whether it's a democrat or republican. this is the president. any president comes to your state, i think you should respect the office and go shake his hand. the democratic candidate for governor does not show up in public. she did go say she had a private meeting with the president and tweeted about that. is that being too cute here? what's the point? >> some of these democrats are twisting themselves all up in knots trying to figure out what the right thing is. do you appear with him, didn't appear in front of cameras but did have a private meeting with him. i'm with you on this. i think that things like what scott walker did is the best approach. have the moment and move on. don't create a lot of drama

around it. >> what does marry burke gain i'm with the president and will see him later in the campaign but won't find five minutes to be with him today? >> and look at the polling, what is so key is she turns out democratic voters in that state that typically only show up in presidential years and a picture of her with president obama in milwaukee is going to do her a lot of good politically. of course, walker would use that against her but she needs democrats to come out so to me for her there's something to be gained there. >> that's one of the biggest things to watch from here on out in the final months. where does the president go and who he hugs and who doesn't. >> you know, i'm going to take the risk. you wrote about that in the sunday newspaper. a big call for americans with prosperity, a republican conservative group funned largely by the koch brothers.

a lot of republican wannabes were there, listen to two of them criticizing the president when it comes to foreign policy. >> the deepening chaos in iraq, syria and gaza and ukraine all clear and compelling evidence that the world needs a president who is not one step behind, who is lurching from crisis to crisis, who is always playing catchup. >> you look at russia right now, sadly the state of the world as the russian bear is encountering the obama kitty cat. >> the two texans there, governor rick perry and senator ted cruz, we'll talk a lot about those two heading into 2016. red meat criticism from the republicans, not just the republicans. not anywhere near as impolite or as tough but listen to dianne feinstein, democrat, chairwoman of the senate intelligence committee. >> i think i've learned more about this president and that is

he's very cautious, maybe in this instance too cautious. >> she's talking about his response to isis in iraq, too cautious essentially saying she agrees with john mccain and lindsey graham. >> absolutely. a very interesting coalescing of opinions about the president's foreign policy, democrats and republicans using different language but it comes down to maybe he is being too cautious on isis and other christian ease around the world and the question for him though is how does he respond because he's always responded by saying i am doing what the american people want me to do, and yet when you look at polling on foreign policy, his ratings are going down, so how does he respond if both his allies on capitol hill and the american public might be changing their views? >> the american public, john, doesn't want to put boots on the ground anywhere or invest in big military adventures anywhere but in the recent pew survey they seem discourage that had america can't do more, doesn't have more influence and can't fix these things. >> that's the frustration out there, i think, of a lot of folks with this president is

they see him as somebody who is representing the country at a time when the country is seemingly not the power that it once was and does not have the ability to control world events the way it once did. scholars will question how much we actually could, but, still, that's the perception nowadays. politically it adds up to a tough time for this president. the summer's events at home and abroad have combined to keep his numbers down and that's what has democrats so concerned. it was one thing after another. it's labor day, here we are. his numbers are in the 40s and some of these swing states his numbers are below the 40s. it's a big, big problem for democrats. >> the best thing they have going to counter that is the republican brand is still in the tank so we'll watch this one play out. can't end without this one. it's 2014 but who might challenge hillary clinton from the left in 2016. at new hampshire's big labor day event bernie sanders, might remember him. he's an independent but he could register as a democrat if he wanted to. he calls himself a democrat socialist, and listen to him here, sounds pretty populist.

>> well, the middle class, what we need are folks who are running for office who have the guts to stand up to this billionaire class. >> does he not think hillary clinton will stand up to the billionaire class? >> i think that's what he was implying this. you hear this from him and elizabeth warren. we know who their target is if they don't say it publicly. >> can bernie sanders mount a credible challenge to hillary clinton or could he give her fits? >> my joke about this is all of us are going to be in new hampshire in january 2016 divining the sort of town-by-town results. bernie sanders got 14 and it's a real threat to hillary. what's going on here? >> watch him along the vermont border. >> there you go. >> the interesting part to me, know someone like bernie sand es, martin o'malley, do you get

into that mix? >> a lot to be gained for any democrat to get into that mix. >> jonathan, julie, thanks for coming in on this tuesday morning. >> eric cantor, you spent a lot of time with him on capitol hill, he's coming your way. just took a job, got defeated in his primary, former house majority leader got defeated and take a job with a boutique investment firm, will open an office in washington. buy him a cup of coffee. >> let him buy you a cup of cove. >> when you leave congress, then you go make money so he can go buy us that cup of coffee? >> the technical term is ka-ching. >> but, i mean, look, you can't hold it against him. >> he needs a family. >> needs to take care of his family. >> but interconnection between money and politics, doesn't get more obvious than this. >> he's using his strength, he would say. >> i'm not going after former representative cantor, but, you know, john makes a point. almost ironic, how can they

fight money in politics when they all go work for the money guys afterwards? >> we'll fight about this in the break. the white house says it's doing all it can for three americans detained in north korea calling their situation a top priority. will president obama though send a special envoy to try to help free them? >> plus, latest on this celebrity hacking situation. the fbi is involved. trying to figure out how they got these nude photos to begin with, and it can happen to them. what about her information? are they at risk? and the risque pictures of kate, when will they come out? big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift?

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welcome back to "new day." more now on that unprecedented cnn interview with three american hostages still held in north korea. you will recognize these three gentlemen. those are the people who are still being held there. our will ripley was given five minutes with each of them, and

they all used that time to do the same thing, pleading with the obama administration to send a u.s. envoy to free them. take a listen. >> i do believe that a special envoy needs to come in order to resolve this situation that i am in right now. >> i've been asking help for a long time, and there's no movement from my government. >> an opportunity for maybe bill clinton to come back. he had helped with the release of a journalist a couple years back or maybe george bush. >> is it a coincidence that they were approached? but the question is sending an envoy a good idea? these men are obviously in a desperate station. let's talk more about this with the former u.s. special representative for north korea policy and former u.s. ambassador to south korea. mr. ambassador, thank you very much for joining us. it's good to have you with us. so do you think the u.s. will

send a big name special envoy, let's say bill clinton because he did it before? >> i doubt it. i don't see a long line of people eager to do this. we were willing not too long ago to send bob king, who is a special representative for north korea of human rights, he was almost literally on a plane ready to go. if the north koreans simply want to get -- release these people. it's easy enough to do. they can just take them down to the demilitarized zone and let them walk across. they clearly want some political benefit from it, and frankly i don't think that the obama administration is prepared to do that. >> well, is it about the obama administration, or do you believe that that's just sound policy? i mean, obviously north korea wants something. that's why they are still holding these three people. what's wrong with sending an envoy to get them back? >> well, the question is who is going to do that? what would that lead to?

i think what the north koreans are signaling very much is they want to talk. they want to talk to the u.s. about improving relations. they want to talk about the future of their nuclear weapons program. so far the obama administration has been unwilling since the agreement we had a year or more ago collapsed, the administration has been unwilling to enter into such talks without a clearer signal from the north koreans that they are prepared to give up their nuclear weapons program. >> this gets into a very interesting emerging dilemma in foreign policy vis-a-vis the united states in general. we don't like to talk to people, the u.s. the u.s. doesn't like to talk to people unless they feel the other side is willing to do what they want. now, is that a sound strategy in today's world, or does it just allow things to fester as we're seeing in syria and north africa and, of course, north korea? >> well, in the case of north korea i am a believer in the

virtue of dialogue over no dialogue. admittedly, however, these are very difficult people to deal with, but, yes, i think your point is well taken. there are situations such as north korea in which what we seem to be requiring is not quite unilateral capitulation before we talk but something far -- pretty far down that road. so i think if the north koreans really want to get rid of these people, that's not their primary objective, and we really want to talk, we should be able to come to a meeting of the minds, but so far that hasn't happened, and i feel sorry for these people. on the other hand, they are held in north korea for the most part because they did silly things, and the north koreans i think are understandably somewhat fed up with having to deal with the public relations fallout of americans who go wandering into north korea and then say that they are being held against

their will. >> now, mr. bosworth, hopefully you can knock down reporting that i have on this. you have said that there have been windows of opportunity that have been missed to talk and maybe to get the release of these three men in the past. my reporting is that while the state department is saying nominally that u.s. citizen safety abroad is the top priority, there is not a whole lot in the works to get these people freed. what do you know? >> well, i don't know what exactly has been going on over the last several months, but i do know that at one point in time not too long ago bob king was in tokyo ready to get on a plane to go to north korea with some assurance from the north koreans that mr. bae would be released in his custody. at the last minute, the north koreans cancelled that trip. and since then i'm not aware of anything that has come that close to being a deal to let mr. bae leave. i think my sense from what the north koreans are doing now is

that they have -- they realize that these people have become a liability for them, and they would like to figure out some way saving their face out some way saving their face to some extent to get rid of them. >> hopefully the opportunity has taken to make some progress this time by the u.s., because you know, these three men, they have families and yes they have become pawns but it's been a long time and families are in distress. mr. boss wor mr. bosworth thank you so much for your perspective on this. >> you're very welcome thank you. >> we'll have you on again. we have the situation in south korea, we now have another pressing situation back here at home. you've heard about these celebrity pictures and what's going on with their cloud, is that how they got these pictures hacked and what about you and i? it are we saving things at our own peril here? the fbi is involved because of the nude photos that were hacked. they're trying to figure out how it happened. what does this mean for the rest of us? we have details ahead.

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photos were apparently taken from private accounts on apple's icloud online storage service. let's learn more about what really the federal government's role in this. pamela brown is joining us from washington with much more. so pamela, what are we learning about the fbi's role here? >> kate, we're learning this morning the fbi agents in los angeles have been in contact with some of the alleged victims as part of the computer

intrusion investigation it has opened up in the wake of these nude photographs of celebs such as jennifer lawrence surfacing on sites like readittumblr and other sites. agents will be interviewing the alleged victims and in touch with apple to find out who the hacker or hackers are that leaked the nude photos them. there are a couple of potential issues crime investigators are looking at, computer intrusion, allegations of proprietary information was stolen and investigators will look at the way the foes to are hacked. in some cases a hacker figuring out passwords, using malware or more sophisticated methods to gain access to pro pry tier information, in this case allegations that the pictures were stolen from the apple icloud, that's something that investigators are going to be looking at. the way each hacking case varies. it can be monetary, the players

can be different. at this point which don't know who is responsible for this, kate. >> it may seem unusual to some, the fbi is looking into celebrities being hand but this isn't the first time that the fbi has been involved in trying to track down a hacker, right? >> it certainly is not. the fbi has dealt with other similar cases in the past, not only with celebrities, there have been several similar cases to this, kate, but you may remember a few years ago a florida man was found guilty of wiretapping up authorized access to a computer after he gapd access to the e-mails of more than 50 celebrities figuring out their passwords and he was sentenced to ten years in jail so this is certainly not the first time and again, the fbi typically deals with some of these big cyber crimes cases so it's not surprising that they're involved. >> not the first and definitely not the last, unfortunately, this is so dangerous and has ramifications for all of us because all of us share the same kinds of accounts.

pamela brown in washington, great to see you, thank you. >> you, too. after all of these celebrities were hacked, are you now worried about your privacy and what you put in the icloud go to facebook dot-com/newday. the united states says it attacked terrorists in somalia. what we now know about the new air strikes and who were the targets ahead. no rush, andy. come on. with the chase mobile app you can get a lot done in a little amount of time from transferring funds wait a minute. you've got to be kidding. did you guys see that? that ball was out. to paying your coach for adding five miles per hour to your serve. that ball wasn't in. get your eyes checked. help me out here. download the best mobile app today. so you can always have the advantage. chase. so you can your studied day and night for her driver's test. secretly inside,

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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking overnight, terror strike. the united states military hits a terror group in somalia. drone strike targeting the group's leader. did they get him? we have breaking new details. plea for help. the three americans detained in north korea speak out to cnn, their desperate call for the u.s. to send someone to help get them out. will the u.s., we talk live to the state department. the hacker investigating the massive celebrity photo hack as apple admits and is investigating where its icloud storage system was breached. how safe are your photos and information?

>> your "new day" continues right now. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> good morning within kohl tom once again to "new day" everyone. it is tuesday, september 2nd, 8:00 in the east. we have breaking news that we're watching overnight. the u.s. military carried out an operation in east africa targeting al qaeda linked terrorists in somalia. u.s. forces launched a military attack against the al shabaab network. officials say missiles targeted a convoy of senior leaders. we have complete coverage beginning with elise labott in washington. what are we learning about the operation? >> all the pentagon is saying is that they launched this operation, not saying much more at this point. specifically who was the target? but somali officials say the leader of al shabaab, ahmed godani and his deputies were

holding a meeting in the rebel-heldvillage hit by the u.s. that meeting had to withstand this ongoing offensive by the somali military and african union forces trying to flesh them out from the region. godain has been a driving force to al shabaab's ties to al qaeda. it's unclear at this hour, kate, whether godain or any leaders were killed and that's what the u.s. wants to assess, the success of the operation before they say any more. we've been here before, u.s. drone strikes in somalia in january killed top intelligence commanders of the group, but not godain. we have to wait sean see when the u.s. says it will be ready to confirm who was hit. >> thanks so much. that's one situation abroad going on. another one is the white house is calling for the release of the three americans still held in north korea. they say it is a top priority. this comes after cnn's will

ripley sat down with the men in an unprecedented interview so you had kenneth bay, jeffrey fole and matthew miller, they pleaded for a special u.s. envoy to come to north korea and help free them. will ripley is out of north korea with his team and therefore can speak freely about the interviews. thanks for joining us. this was a surprise to you. you were asking for them but you expected not to get them, and then what happened? >> yes, we were on a totally unrelated shoot two hours north of the capital when all of a sudden we were pulled abruptly, put on a van and told that we were headed to speak with the government official, this is cell phone video i took of the journey, i wanted to document where we were going because we didn't know what was going to happen. we pe we pulled up to a building where we were told we'd speak withdetl had remarkable similar messages. >> i do need help from the u.s.

government. >> this interview is my final chance to push the american government into helping me. >> i'm getting desperate for help. >> reporter: the three americans detained in north korea you nighting in a clear and possibly coached message, send a u.s. envoy. >> i do believe that special envoy need to come in order to resolve the situation that i am in right now. >> this is an opportunity for maybe bill clinton to come back, maybe george bush, another statesman to try his hand at that. >> reporter: north korea's leader kim jong-un has previously shown no willingness to release kenneth bay or the other two men. so far the u.s. state department has not revealed a plan to free the three men held right now. spokesman only saying "we continue to work actively to secure these three u.s. citizens' release." >> if there was ever a time to step uperts it's now. >> reporter: the family of kenneth bae pleads for his

release. >> he is an american citizen, a father of three and he is pleading for help from our government, the message has been consistent all along. it is up to our leaders to seek his amnesty. >> reporter: bae asked his family to pray for him saying his health is failing, working six days a week in a labor camp. >> it's been very difficult sleeping at night and always working in the field every day. >> reporter: bae and his sister say he needs help now. >> my primary concern is his health and that there's some permanent damage being done. we need to have him come home. >> reporter: chris, all three of these americans were held in separate rooms in the same building. they have had zero contact with each other, and yet their messages, their talking points were nearly identical so that would lead one to presume that they were spoken to before the interview just like we were, when we were told we would have just five minutes with each and that if we strayed beyond the

agreed upon interview talking points there could be serious consequences. >> l always a threatening situation, it's good that you got the interviews now because it keeps the situation in the forefront of people's understanding, so our thanks to will. let's bring in jen psaki, the state department spokeswoman and jen it is good to have you with us. this is obviously a request from north korea, we are reaching out. they want a big name. they want to talk, they want attention. what will do you? >> chris, i think it's important for the american people to know that this is something that the united states government, the state department, secretary kerry, president owe bama have n focused on since the individuals were detained. we aurd to have ambassador king go to north korea, that trip canceled by the north koreans in the past. we worked through sweden because they are our protecting power and we remain in close contact with them as well as the families of these individuals.

we are going to do erg in our power to bring these men home to their families. >> everything in your power would and should include picking up the phone, talking to bill clinton, talking to george bush, their names were mentioned for a reason, get a big shot to go over there and bring these men home. is that going to happen? >> chris, i'm not going to rule out options here but i think it's important for people to understand that there have been a range of steps that we've taken. we have had an offer on the table to end ambassador king to negotiate and discuss the release of these individuals, that trip has been canceled in the past. we're going to do everything we can but it's also important for people to understand we're not going to outline all of that publicly because our on jekive is to bring them home. >> as you heard at least from er it terri bae, the cyster of

kenneth bae they feel they're in the dark, forgotten, which is why cnn is trying to shout this call for action on part of the u.s. >> i've seen the interview cnn did as well as the associated press but i can assure everybody watching that this is something that is on the top of our minds every single day. we speak regularly with the families and i think everybody can understand the heartache that any family is feeling and they'll do everything in their power and call for everything in their power as well. lot of these efforts are ones that we're going to be doing behind the scenes. >> it does seem as though there's a window of opportunity being aurd by north korea, and we will stand by to see what you do with that invitation. now on to the issue of what you've already done, in somalia, a drone attack, we hear against al shabaab. what can you tell us about whether or not it was successful, whether there was a ground element involved on behalf of the u.s. and why you did it now? >> chris i'm not in a position at this point in time to confirm

details. we have reports for people to understand al shabaab is a terrorist organization, we designated them in 2008. they've claimed credit for everything from the westgate mall attack to a range of attacks across northern africa and one of al qaeda's big's fill y yats in northern africa. we do everything we can to take on the threat but unfortunately i don't have any details to confirm for you at this point in time. >> your reaction to the surprise of people who hear that the most urgent situation was somalia when everyone has isis on their brain. why wasn't the action against isis? >> first of all, chris, we have taken steps to take on the threat of isil. the president has authorized more than 100 strikes in iraq including some over the course of this weekend to both provide humanitarian assistance and help boost theerts on the ground and also take on the threat there, but we need to take on threats where they're coming and so

without confirming any details i can assure you that we have multiple pots on the burner at the same time in terms of protecting the american people and doing what's necessary to do that. >> what is more likely in your estimation, the u.s. working with syria to attack isis or isil or the caliphate or whatever you want to call them, or working with iran to fight the extension of isis or isil in iraq? what is more likely? >> chris, let me introduce a third option which is something we're working on as the united states government which is building an international coalition with partners around the world, both from the arab world, from europe, from asia to take on this threat that we're all facing from isil, so that's something that president obama, secretary kerry will be spending a lot of time and secretary hagel working on through the course of this week at nato and also as we all take trips following nato to countries around the world to build this. now, there are a lot of

capabilities that countries have. they're not just military. they can be political, they can be diplomatic, financial and that's the discussion we're having with the international community. >> nato, let's move on to that while i have you. so far the sanctions haven't seemed to change the mind-set or the performance of the russian president vladimir putin. now you have nato. we had an insider on this morning from russia, a journalist, tv personality. he says nato is seen as an existential threat to russia, that it is as likely the presence of nato to make them more aggressive than less aggressive. your thoughts? >> well, i just simply would disagree with that line of thinking. ukraine is certainly a friend of nato. they're not a member of nato. >> right. >> but this will be an issue, having a discussion about what additional tools are at our disposal, whether that's increased sanctions or other tools and that will be something that the president and secretary kerry will be discussing with

many countries who will be attending the nato summit this beak. >> is there a feeling at the state department that the sanctions are doing anything to russia? because the word from within russia is it's dust off the shoulder. >> well, i think that is simply, is not backed up by facts on the ground. we've seen a dramatic impact on the russian economy, whether it's the amount of capital flights, hundreds of billions of dollars has departed russia, the economic growth projections in russia are now on a downturn so we've seen an impact on the economy. the question now is does president putin care more about his economy and the impact on his people, the people he says he loves and he wants to continue to represent or does he care more about continuing to take illegal actions as it relates to the neighboring country of ukraine? that's a conversation we're happy to have and we're having with our international partners as well. >> one thing's for sure, more men, more weaponry flowing in to

eastern ukraine from are ushia. jen psa russia. thank you sackie always good to have you on "new day." let's give you a look at your headlines. more than 100 family members of victims attacked by isis have stormed iraq's parliament building in baghdad, members of iraq's military were attacked in june at a camp near tikrit by the terrorists. families are demanding more information about the victim's fates and for their bodies to be returned to them. the legality of the nsa's bulk collection of phone records faces a test in federal court in new york. the panel of judges will be the first appeals court to address the controversial surveillance program. today's hearing stems from a suit filed by the aclu that says the collection of data is a violation of privacy rights and federal law. a massive search is under way for dozens of teenage boys who escaped from a juvenile detention center in tennessee. thor authorities say that overnight 32 boys between the ages of 14

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welcome back to "new day." president obama is headed for nato's summit. he faces growing criticism at home for a lack of strategy against the terror group isis. listen to what senator dianne feinstein had to say on sunday. >> i think i've learned one thing about this president and that is he's very cautious, maybe in this instance too cautious. >> what does the president now need to accomplish when he meets with nato leaders later this week? let's discuss with some of our cnn political commentators, kevin madden, republican strategist and executive vice president of jda frontline and paul begala, democratic strategist, senior advicer for

the superpac priorities usa action. good morning gentlemen. >> good morning, kate. >> kevin, it is not new hearing republican criticism of the president's stance on foreign policy matters, stance against isis, but what do you think the impact is, will be when you hear that coming from a democrat like dianne feinstein? >> if anything it's inkick ittive of just how bad this president's relations are with folks up on capitol hill. if he's going to go and make a case for whatever strategy comes up with, he doesn't have one right now, he's going to need his allies up on capitol hill to really deliver on that, and to help make the case to his most important audience here which is the american public. it is emblematic of how much work this president has before him if he's to give people a greater sense of security and clarity that he has a strategy to deal with what even folks in his administration have said is

an eminent threat from isis. >> paul, kevin makes an important point he needs to make his case to the more than public. we had senator angus king on earlier in the show and he said the american public's been schizophrenic on this. they want the president to be strong but they also don't want another ground war. do you think there's squits phrenia here? >> i watched your interview of senator king and he's exactly right. we want two things, kick some isis butt and we don't want another war so i think what you do here seriously and this is mission against interests because i am a political hack, you set the politics aside, develop the best strategy you can and if you take out that gaffe the president had last week i think he outlined a strategy, the heart of it is this. >> what is it? >> internationalize the confl t conflict. john kerry wrote a ln op-ed in e "new york times" in addressing this. the u.s. military can invade,

conquer and occupy and do a great job but as soon as we leave and we will, we'll be back to the conditions beforehand so you have to have the regional players and you've got to have the sunni arabs in that region and shiite issues. >> paul, when the public is schizophrenic, isn't that, doesn't that call for leadership and isn't that the president's role to lead, to define the strategy and tell the american public why this is a good idea we're doing x, y, z? >> in short, yes, but he has to execute on that strategy, and that's why you're seeing john kerry burning up the jet fuel trying to get all the folks together. it's a more difficult message, although if i were going to advise him i would use phrases like burden sharing, we're confronting isil and we are, already bombing them, we're going to do more but we're not going to do it alone and that argument to the american people, we will attack but we will not send your sons and daughters alone into combat against this group. >> here is the problem with that, paul.

i agree with you on principle but one of the big problems is that isis is not a new threat. this is something that has been emerging for a very long time and the president has previously said we need to come up with a strategy and build international support. how much longer does he need? he has to demonstrate that he has already built that international support to deal with the threat rather than talking about it now. that i think is very, that's why the american people find this so disconcerting that here we are, the president is talking about having a strategy a year ago and he still doesn't have a strategy. he still hasn't built that coalition of international support. >> i want to know this, paul, also, and kevin i want to get your take on this as well. angus king said another interesting point in our interview that isis has ignored the border between iraq and syria so the united states really shouldn't worry about it so much as well. why is there so much hesitancy to go after isis where their leadership is in syria, in

rakka, where you see a different situation the united states targeting leaders in somalia. it seems disjointed. >> angus king is an independent, caucuses with the democrats but dianne feinstein no one more respected on my side of the aisle than dianne feinstein, she knows this stuff cold. you see democratic pressure now, liberal pressure even to act in syria militarily against isis and i think that will have some real effect but it's got to be part of a coherent strategy. i think the president needs to frankly talk less and act more. the phrase in latin that i learned from law school, "the thing speaks for itself." military taken last night in somalia speaks for itself. you don't see the president talking about al shabaab. he's sending our forces over there to kill them and i think that's what people want to see. >> kevin, where is congress's role here? it sure is easy to criticize from the sidelines but what is

congress's role when it returns? >> well this is why the presidency is unique. we don't have a congress-in-chief, we have a commander in chief. congress have done exactly what it is their role is, to give the president advice, to have consent over ultimate decisions whether he needs authority to act, but i think what you're seeing right now is that the congress is really trying to push the president to come up with a more comprehensive strategy because even democrats up on capitol hill, they don't feel that they have an idea or enough of an idea of what the president's strategy is to take it back and sell it to their own constituents to make the case for the president's action and ultimately the national security actions of the united states, so the national security interests of the united states, so that's where they role but this bill comes down to one thing, presidential leadership. >> we'll continue to talk about it today as the president heads over to begin the nato summit

later this week. kevin, paul, thanks, guys. great to see you. >> great to be with you. coming up next on "new day" more details about the u.s. military operation in somalia, targeting the al shabaab terror network. we'll talk with a counterterrorism expert about the mission, what more we can learn. and the latest on the situation unfolding in ukraine. can nato leaders come up with a lasting plan to deal with russian aggression finally? wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters shopping online is as easy as it gets. and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list, now it is. we've made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angieslist.com no more calling around. no more hassles. start shopping from a list of top-rated providers today. angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. visit angieslist.com today.

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former deputy director of the cia, a counterterrorism center. mr. mudd, good to see you. everyone says isis is the threat. what is this north africa, the al shabaab, the youthful movement of al qaeda, that's old news. why are we there? >> if you look at what's happened in the history of the al qaeda movement, al qaeda tried to sponsor a revolution globally. that was the point of the 9/11 attacks and we saw the revolution crop in maces like indonesia, we talked about yemen in the past. somalia has been the core of al qaeda affiliations in africa for years. al shabaab was making great progress a few years ago. the combination though of african military operations against them which pushed them out of the capital mogadishu in 2011 with the drone strikes has really destroyed, damaged the al shabaab movement, kind of a parallel to what we might see in iraq. this is just a continuation of

the slow degradation of al shabaab that we've seen for years. >> quick take, do you think the u.s. had boots on the ground? >> i doubt it. i think they got great collection. you don't get these kinds of point strikes against a target like this without really good intelligence collection. i'm sure they're cooperating with the african union troops, that's the coalition of african troops, sort of like the coalition we might want to see in iraq that's on the ground fighting shah bab but i think the collection is probably largely technical, not human boots on the ground. >> so we had another analyst on earlier who said the risk is here, if you ignore al qaeda because you have isis on the brain you allow al qaeda to develop itself and they may pose themselves, posture themselves as a voice of moderation in the face of isis. what would that mean? is that realistic at all? >> it's interesting to me as a professional who fought al qaeda for to so many years watching the conversation, almost as if we look at the al nusra front in

syria and say they're fighting is isis, they must be the good guys. remember between isis and nusra, one is the al qaeda affiliate. let's not as we fight isis forget the fact there is a larger in essence revolutionary movement beyond iraq, north africa, sahel, in somali and yemen. like al nusra the groups have the ideology america is the target. i understand al nusra is an advantage to us, killing isis guys but they are the al qaeda affiliate. we shouldn't forget it. >> what i think in terms of what people are forgetting skrer success what they're being force-fed seems that everybody is attacking the west right now and it raises an interesting question. where is or what is the role of the islamic majority in putting down these extremist groups? we don't seem to hear as much about that as we do of what the west is going to do to fight

extremism and the islamic world. >> well, to be blunt, chris, that's because in some cases this country's my opic. we look at activities overseas, what the u.s. is doing in terms of force deployments we don't talk about stuff that's harder to understand, more nuanced. as i watched the middle eastern press come in you see middle eastern political leaders in saudi arabia and egypt talking about isis and the horrors of isis and telling youth in vulnerable countries like saudi arabia that joining isis is wrong. the other thing i'd say, chris, really interesting is if you look at public relations data that is polling data across the middle east it's hard to get at but there are some companies doing pretty good polling from 9/11 on, public attitudes in the countries like jordan, turkey, are wildly anti-suicide bombing, and anti-al qaeda. they weren't as anti-al qaeda 13 years ago so behind the scenes as we talk about what we're

enduring, positioning troops, the middle east is talking about what a scourge isis is and how they have a responsibility to prevent youth from going. >> don't we have to start altering our policy towards invigorating that resistance from those people in the middle east, not to make it us and them but to get the countries where a lot of this is sperk clating to do something about it, otherwise you have more and more reactive policy from here, witness the uk, deradicalization classes, good mosques versus bad mosques. that wouldn't fly here in the u.s. if that's the direction you're going that's a bad direction. you need to get that part of the world invested in its own future, don't you? >> i think that's why we go back to somalia, an interesting parallel between iraq and somalia and what the president is trying to do to build a coalition. one of the successes of somali is the fact that its african troops that supply the boots on the ground, america that supplies drone operations and some of the intelligence, in iraq by contrast we've already

got military operations under way led by the u.s. and we're sort of waiting for other countries in the region, the turks, et cetera, to show up and put boots on the ground. i think one of the reasons for that is not just that the countries can bring military force to bear. it's that the image in a newspaper and a place like riyad in saudi arabia or cairo of american operations is a lot different than operations led by say jordanians or turks and there's a real psychological advantage to them getting involved. >> absolutely and we haven't seen -- we don't even talk about it enough. it's good we brought it up in this discussion now because it's never part of the toolkit for fighting this, what those actual domestic fronts of where these extremists are coming from, what they're doing about it. it's always about what these outside forces from the west will do. philip mudd thank you very much, fr for the interspective, always appreciate it >> my pleasure. see you. >> in terms of what the west will do, that comes down to

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top ukrainian officials are sounding the alarm after the latest round of aggression coming from moscow. the crisis no doubt at the top of the agenda for the nato summit occurring later this week, top nato laters are proposing a fighting force to respond faster to security threats around the world including from russia, this as the bloody conflict rages on in eastern ukraine. cnn diana magnay is in a small town where they are retreating with the latest. what are you learning on the ground right now, diana? >> reporter: hi, kate. we've just been leaving the town of ilavaesk why ukrainian forces have been routed by the pro-russian rebels we were driving south and came across the scene of a chaotic retreat on the part of the ukrainians. behind me these charred military vehicles, that is the turret of a tank that was blown off, a

tank further down the road. the ground here is absolutely covered in unexploded ordnance and there are cars constantly driving up and down this road, there are mines here. it is a scene of chaos really and a couple of days ago presumably this was the ukraini ukrainians' stand as the rebels pushed them south. what is happening in this region, a little bit southeast of donetsk towards the russian border is that the rebels are continuing to catch more ground, and that, argues nato, argues ukraine is because their increasing help from russia, the fact that russia is not only providing incredibly sophisticated weaponry but is also providing russian military units to fight alongside the pro-russian rebels. kate, i have' got to add we have been down in the south where a new front is opened along the sea of azal, close to the russian border and we've been in this area around donetsk and

it's been hard to lay eyes on russian troops because they don't want to be filmed by tv crews like us so it's difficult to verify the fact they are there. from the ukrainian troops we have been speaking to, the ukrainian units are not even trying to hide it and certainly the rebels tell us that yes, they have plenty of russian volunteers here to help them, though they say most of their ammunition and i went around a store of ammunition with one of the rebel commanders in the town of ilavaysk earlier, said all of the weaponry has been caught from the ukrainian as they fled. >> looks to be completely abandoned military equipment all around you. diana magnay, thank you so much. michaela? here we go with the five things you need to know for your "new day." the pentagon says u.s. military forces conducted an operation

against terrorists in somalia, a suspected u.s. drone strike targeting leaders of the al shabaab network. no word yet on whether or not that operation was successful. as we've been telling you the president leaves for europe today ahead of this week's nato summit in wales. president obama's focus remains on slowing russia's aggression on ukraine and explaining a strategy as he tries to form a coalition to fight isis. the white house says it is doing all it can to help three americans being held in north korea, calling their release a top priority. the men spoke with cnn pleading with the obama administration to get them released. jury deliberations begin today in the trial of four former government contractors who gunned down 17 iraqis in 2007. in question is whether the blackwater guards were justified in opening fire. and number five the first human safety trials begin today for an experimental ebola vaccine, three healthy human volunteers will be tested at the

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the hunt is on for the hackers who posted naked pictures of hollywood actresses, including jennifer lawrence. they were apparently accessed from apple's icloud online storage service. cnn technology analyst brett larson here. here is the question. was it about password, lack of sophistication or something more sinister than that? >> it could be one of two things, i'll try every password they could think of, it could have been that simple. it could have also been you know the celebrity, you know their e-mail address. >> you know enough about them. >> you send them a phishing scam, hey you got to update your password and you got it. >> what about the idea some are

reporting a bug with the icloud that might have been -- >> that has been talked about, and it has been patched. >> it has. >> apple did patch they're calling it the ibrute, they might have used just brute force. we're just going to try every single password because they're not locking us out once we get it wrong three times. >> apple is doing their part. the fbi is investigating. what about our icloud? what about my ipad and my iphone and the darn cloud? >> these are very serious things and it brings to light a very serious issue. everything we have now goes to the cloud. you've got your ipad. now the thing about your ipad if someone stole your ipad they get your pictures. >> not very excitinexciting. >> they'll get pictures, an address book, maybe your e-mails and access to your e-mail which is bad but also backed up to the cloud. >> it goes from here to here. >> same thing with your iphone, your iphone has your pictures, your e-mails, maybe some selfies

that you took at a party, worse for the laptop because you have your banking data, you've got maybe your tax returns and your documents folder because you did them digitally and when this guy gets in, he's got everything. >> here is the question then. what do we do? because the fact is password protection only goes so far, correct? >> correct, that is absolutely correct. you've got to change your passwords often. >> frequently. >> use something that someone couldn't guess and also consider using a two-step authentication, where if it you want to change anything, we're going to text you a code to the cell phone number that we have on file. >> you have to have a mobile device. >> the icloud is good about if you try and add another device to your icloud membership it sends messages to everything else that you have connected that says hey, this computer that's calling itself michaela's computer is trying to access your icloud. is that okay? >> on a scale of one to ten i can feel mostly confident about the cloud? >> yes you can. >> kate thinks it's imaginary. she said i can't do the cloud. zblts he aa serhe.

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