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cause chaos. >> reporter: for the stolen photos, the fbi is actively investigating the breach. some victims like jennifer lawrence said the photos were real. others say they were fake. erin? >> wonder who to believe? >> wonder who to believe? thanks very much. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. thanks for joining us at the end of a brutal day that may not be over. isis put out a video of a murder of a captive. american president on root to perhaps the most important global moment of his presidency, challenged directly and personally challenged by a knife-welding thug. just as in the killing of jim foely shows a masked man carrying out a ritual in the name of god. i'm back obama says the killer.
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what the president is doing about it and isis. the 124th strike and the people in both parties saying despite coalition building in the region and counterterrorism at home, the president is not doing enough. we'll pay close attention, as well, to steven himself, just 31 years old from south florida that lost his life so early in a career of bringing the world into our lives so we can better understand it. a very full night starting with jim sciutto. jim, i know you watched the video today. i did not. i chose not to look at it. you said one of the things that stood out is how calm he was. >> he was throughout uttering that statement under duress, which he must have had a good idea might be his last words but up to the chilling moment when the knife went to his throat. he was calm, stern face and i don't know what combination of steeling nerves and mental
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preparation makes that possible and i saw that. i made the same decision you did with the jim foley tape. i seen a lot of these. we know their intention is to scare and terrorize people so you often wonder why allow yourself to be terrorized, as well. i'm glad i watched this in part because that demonstration of strength that i saw from steven. >> this is a direct challenge to president obama. >> no question, one of course, they killed an american which is a direct challenge to the president, to the american people but titled. it's called the second message to america, the first rehebehea video of foly erey and the kill says obama, i am back and threatening the u.s. and u.s. interests as a result of the air strikes that president obama ordered against isis.
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>> do you know in the first video there may have been two different people here, the person that addressed the camera and the person who actually killed jim foley appeared larger and appeared to have a different knife in the video. is there the same editing in this video? >> it's hard to tell. there is certainly editing and like the first video, it's interesting, they edit out the most gruesome part. they don't show the beheading. they show the runup and aftermath. they don't -- in both the foley videos that's the case. because of that editing and this is one reason u.s. officials are reserving judgment before they call this credible is because there are so many places here where things could have been messed around with. >> and air strikes continued today in iraq? >> they did. more than 120 now, the target tonight, isis vehicles again around the mosul dam, which is a key battle ground there, a key
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piece of infrastructure. u.s. officials certainly showing that a beheading like this is not going to change their decision making, at least to this point in iraq. >> appreciate it. thanks. much more on the video and clues that may contain. for that we turn to carl. comparing the videos, what were you able to find out in terms of the killers? >> well, certainly we're looking at that very distinctive accent by the apparent executioner. now intelligence experts we understand in the u.s. are trying to look at that. we run this video by cnn forensic specialist and he says he believes that the killer, judging by his accent is the same person, that that is a multi-cultural london accent and apeepears to be the general siz
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and build and that phrase from him, obama i'm back, he wants this to believe this is the same executioner in both videos, anders anderson. >> there is another captive, david haynes, what do we know about him? >> yeah, we see him at the end and there is a banner saying david mains ahaynes and says he british. we know that
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what we're trying to do. time is of the essence and these people have shown not just by colleagues but by the catalog of brutali brutality, the mass executions that the un has documented, the insavement and recruitment of young children, women and girls and boys to work and be on the front lines and be sex slaves and just such a broad spectrum. has isis been empowered or
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disempowered by the air strikes so far? the kurds pushed them back but syria is the next sustained. >> what do you think about that? is there any concern you have that they want a bigger reaction by the u.s.? they want cdirect attacks, that it makes them seem unpar by the united states? >> that's the message of the video. the reason you have the person in the video addressing the president directly is he wants to portray the organization as an entity that's not just a terror group that kills people but it's a group that can almost guarantee or force a response from the white house because they are murdering american citizens. they want to up the game among recruits in places like western europe and fundraisers to say we're not just isis. we're the people that get global coverage when we talk to the president of the united states.
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going back to 911, al qaeda did think it was a good idea 13 years ago to draw the u.s. in because they thought the u.s. would suffer the same fate as the soviets. they thought we were soft and would bleed to death in engagement. obviously, it didn't work out that way. i don't think they want us back but some of them may think if we come back, they can take us. >> it seems that britain is reassessing how to deal with the huge number, hundreds, according to some reports of british citizens who have gone over to fight in syria. >> look, 500 or more citizen havs have gone over and 20 or more are going to syria despite the ban. the same for the united states. hundreds have gone over and going to the united states and countries in the region. there is a huge fear of course,
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we've been reporting of the blow back. it is potentially precursor to attacking, or as a prekaurser target around the world. >> think about the british soldier beheaded on the streets. >> that, too. the military historian has written and it posed a fundamental challenge to the civilized world. we either allow the islamic state. they call themselves islamic state because they have a state. al qaeda never had a state. they have a state they have carved out, a massive piece of real estate of 4 million people building armies, threatening the region, threatening us and have something al qaeda never had, this amount of hardware and money. he says you either continue
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front them or defeat them or by not doing so, you are accepting a terrorist state in the heart of the most valuable piece of real estate in that area that has so many ripple effects and implications for all of us. >> i've been thinking about this a lot and you spent a lot of your career looking at these guys, looking at the kind of guys, tracking them, following them, the cia and fbi. part of what i think is interesting about a group like isis is you can have people popping up in the united states in western europe, not necessarily ones that have gone over there but are motivated. the same way we saw people inspired by youtube, people could be inspired by the beheading and you can have loan wolves in the rein or elsewhere aspirationally committing acts of terror in the united states or elsewhere even if they haven't fought in syria. >> anderson, it's interesting
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you say that. that's exactly what i saw at the fbi when you watch tv shows, you have an impression there is a small dedicated cell of people. somebody is explosives, somebody is finance. that's not what i saw in real life for ten post 911 years watching them. you get a cluster of people who are angry. they might be 17, 18, maybe up to 30, 35, 40. often an older brother or father figure that steps them down the path and steps out of the community and say the community isn't extreme enough.connect 12n
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acosta where president obama issued service members in audition to the 500 or so, beefing up security at embassy. that is just in tonight, already several hundred american military advisers are in iraq and the embassy in baghdad. today's murder specifically mentioned a battle for a dam near mosul and air strikes that seem to have isis on defense. as we mentioned, a moment ago, some believed it might not have come if president obama pushed harder for u.s. involvement in the syrian civil war or kept troops in iraq. even now, president obama says he's working on a strategy. been taking a lot of heat from the comment and more from lawmakers, including senator john mccain. >> i was astounded when the president of the united states said that the world has always been messy and it's been
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excentuated by social media. that means the president obama is in denial or overwhelmed. i want to get your reaction to the execution because when jim foley was killed you said it should serve as a turning point for action against isis. how do you see this? >> our prayers are with the family and we grieve, all of us grieve for the tragic loss of their son. i had hoped that the president would realize that this kind of brings home what we face and the scope of it. unfortunately thanks doesn't seem to be the case. the president continues to talk about messy times and social networking. the president is either in denial or overwhelmed, i'm not
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sure which. >> i've heard analysts say that part of what isis hopes to achieve with executions in the release of the videos is to go to a larger response. could the response play into their hands? >> i don't see how that's possible. they are now the largest, richest, most powerful terrorist organization on earth and they do, according to all of our intelligence people serve as a threat to the united states. british have obviously taken the threat more seriously than president obama has, and the slaughter goes on. >> you advocate putting u.s. special formces on the ground t assist. you do not want to see the personnel engaged in combat, is that possible, though? isn't there a very real possibility that there is going to be a mission creep, no matter
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what, one thing leads to another when you have u.s. personnel on the ground in harm's way, you have to protect them and it can easily become a combat role? >> i would like to point out the president says the reason the troops we have are there and air strikes we're launching is one for humanitarian reasons as isis traps people in humanitarian crisis or protection of american troops. that's what apparently he has no goal and he has no strategy and therefore, he's not going to have any coalition until he's able to assemble that. yes, there is support troops that are needed there but certainly not the combat units in direct combat. if we give the weapons they want it would help reconcile and go after isis wherever they are. the majority of forces are in syria now, at least a lot of equipment is in syria, not iraq.
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>> do you believe the killings are an attack on the u.s.? >> i believe they post a direct threat to the united states of america because the director of national intelligence, the head of secretary of homeland security, the list of our intelligence people. does that mean an immediate threat? do they have a specific threat? i don't know that. i know they are dedicated to attacking the united states. that's why mr. bagidy said i'll say you in new york. is there any doubt they have to be not just contained but defeated? >> the president wants to get other regional actors involved, is that something you support? >> i certainly support it. what is his goal? right now he says humanitarian protection and humanitarian
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crisis and protecting american troops. that's not a reason to build a coalition. you have to lead coalitions. america must lead, not just equals. we lead, they follow. that's history since the end of world war ii. but to not have a goal and a strategy to implement those goals is not very appealing to anyone to join a coalition. >> thank you for your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> mr. obama came under krit sau -- criticism this week. >> well, i think it's time for him to say more and do more. i'm sad he ducked questions on his way to the airplane. >> let's bring in david garrigan and gloria berger. do you agree with his criticism of the white house? more needs to be done
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specifically inside share yria. >> certainly more needs to be done. i believe the president should not be stampeded by the beheading today is horrific and brutal as it was and to make a decision in the next 24 hours. he's meeting this week with nato allies. very important meeting. to go to mccain's point, he needs to go into these meetings with a sense of what his goal is and the options that he wants to consider and then talk with the allies to see if they can reach a consensus what nato will do. he has two crisis, one with isis and one with putin and the russians in ukraine and he needs to come out of the meetings with a much clear sense he can take to the world what nato and what this concert or alliance is willing to do in both ukraine and very importantly with isis.
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>> how do you see the president and what he's done? senator mccain says his comments about being a messy place and we know more because social media and senator mccain says he's maybe simply overwhelmed. >> i think there is a tendency on the president to say look, if we step back and we wait, then others will fall in line and lead along with us. i think in a perfect world, that might be the case, but that usually does not occur. senator mccain said it's up to the united states to lead and i think the allies are waiting for the united states to leave. so i think the president does, as david said, have to present some kind of a strategy to the nato allies and then i think after he comes back from his trip as jane harmon said, he needs to make it clear whether he thinks this is a direct
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national security threat to the united states and what he intends to do about it. we've seen his ambivalence, his ambivalence is the american public's amambivalence. the public needs to hear about the danger and the next step. >> you know, it's interesting, david, president obama, the way he sees the role of the united states and the world, it's obviously in stark contrast to the way president george w. bush saw it and that's why president obama became the president. that's why he got elected. but david, at a time like this, it feels like a quick drum beat of the president should do more and that style, people turn against him. >> you know, what is striking about the drum beat is it's increasingly coming from democrats. you know, we had jane harmon on
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and so it's a bipartisan pressure. i think the reasoning for pressure is not only beheadings and horror but he doesn't seem to have a strategy and doesn't seem to be engaged in trying to come up with one and pushing forward, as if he's reactive and this is one example, anderson, unlike libya, i do not think he can get from here to where we need to be by leading from behind. he can do that. you can do that sometimes, but in this situation, the united states has to be the lead nation. we have to be -- we have the capacity. we pay 75% of the cost of nato. this is basically an american-lead alliance and we ought to be stepping forward and saying, hey, guys, this is what we have to do. come with us. come with us in france and come with us. britain is ready to go. but he's got to put this alliance together. he'll stop off and give
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assurances that we're not going to let putin take over, that's fine. more important has to do with ukraine and isis. >> the libya operation right now is not the greatest example for the president to use about, you know, his view of how the u.s. should kind of have a coalition. >> right, but that -- you know, that is his view. this was a president who says i was elected to end wars, not to start them. and so his whole sort of theory of the game is that you don't do anything without a coalition and if you hold back, the coalition will form. well, burden sharing hasn't really worked. we do need to lead here. i think he is getting some push from congress. people understand, anderson, why he wants to be cautious because everybody is still reacting to george w. bush and the cowboy in george w. bush so they
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understand and appreciate the president's caution, but at a certain point, they want to hear more. they want a strategy, and i'm told that, you know, he'll have a couple press conferences this week when he's abroad and that perhaps, you know, last week i was told this week, this week i'm told well maybe when he gets back, he will speak to the american public but nothing -- >> and david, you're in agreement he's got to do more and lead more. >> absolutely. and i do think yes, he campaigned to get us out of wars, but his first and most important responsibility as commander in chief is to protect the security of the american people and we know jihads are likely to head towards britain. that's why they raised their security alert. we'll be next. they will be jihads over there, isis continues to build like this, we'll see people coming into this country who are going to threaten the lives of americans and he's got to do more for us, not just for the people of iraq.
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>> i think what he's trying to do is get intelligence community to build that case that he can then take to the american public sooner, rather than later. >> david garrigan, gloria borger, thank you. just ahead, an unexpected and extraordinary meeting. will riply given access to the three held in north korea. they had five minutes to talk. what they told him ahead. >> we have five minutes. so what we're looking for is a way to "plus" our accounting firm's mobile plan. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be... one-seventy-five a month. good calculating kyle. good job kyle. you just made partner. our best-ever pricing on mobile share value plans for business. now with a $100 bill credit for every business line you add.
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>> that was kenneth bay shaking hands. mr. bay is serving 15 years at a labor camp. north korea says he was part of a plot to over throw a regime. we'll have met all three detainees. they were given five minutes and north koreans monitored and recorded the interviews. take us through how the intervenes went about. you had no idea you were going to see each of the three americans. >> yeah, when we asked to speak with the americans at the beginning, we were told it would be impossible. we were two hours north having lunch during a site seeing tour with government control or government minders pulled me aside shaking and said we needed to go right now back. i was nervous. i didn't know what was happening. we grabbed our gear and got in the van and drove to an area, somewhere we've never seen before to this non-discribbed
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building and they said we wouldn't be speaking from someone in the government but talking with the three americans held in north korea. >> the three men said they never met each other before but you believe some of their statements sounded similar? >> yeah, you know, they were kept in separate rooms just feet away from each other but said they never seen each other, never spoken, didn't know much about each other at all but yet, their talking points were similar, they were guilty and apologized profusely and being treated humanely. they emphasized that point and that they wanted help from the united states government in the form of a big name, special envoy to work out a deal to secure their release and their trip home. >> north korean officials were present for the interviews. did they put conditions on you, what you could ask? >> absolutely. yeah, not just the time limit but we couldn't stray beyond those top picks. we were told if we broke the rules, if we asked about things
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that were not agreed upon ahead of time, the consequences would be severe. they mentioned our flight schedule the next morning here to beijing and said if we didn't -- if we didn't follow the guidelines, there would be a good chance we wouldn't be on that flight. >> how did the three americans seem? kenneth bay looked like he was having trouble with his back. i know he's complained of back issues. >> certainly, he's been in and out of the hospital but at this labor camp. all three of them looked good. kenneth bay lost weight and the others are staying in hotels as they await to go on trial. you know the reports of starvation, having to eat rats, tortured, executed. those are clearly not the conditions these americans are being held and north korea was eager to show that to the world
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trying to get the attention of the united states at a time when they don't have bargaining chips, not powerful, nobody is paying attention when they do the repeated missile launches and china where i am, relaces with them are strained, as well. they really view this as an opportunity to send a message to the u.s. >> were any americans surprised to see you or do you get a sense they were told in advance and prepped? >> they -- i don't know if they were prepped ahead of time but it certainly seemed that way when jeffrey was sitting there with handwritten notes he nervously kept referring to and all of their talking points were so similar. i would imagine, i don't know for a fact but i would imagine they got a similar discussion like we did where rules were laid out, as well as consequences. >> fascinating. thank you. worsening health is a source of great season for his family, diabetes, high blood pressure, kidney stones. he's been held for nearly two
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years. his sister joins me now. when i saw this video, what you saw in this video, the first time you seen your brother, how did he look to you? >> he didn't look too well to me at all. he doesn't look like himself. he lost a ton of weight. he looks like he's under quite a bit of strain. >> you've been able to speak to him on the telephone, i think, four times in the last two years. did he say anything in this interview that was different than what he's told you before? >> i think the message was the same. reiterating that it has to be a u.s. government intervention that's going to bring him home. >> i know he referenced his back pain, trouble sleeping. you've always been concerned about his health. you and i have talked before and you always brought this up. >> yeah, and i'm really concerned that despite his poor health, he's back in the labor camp doing eight hours a day, six days a week labor and that is the last thing he needs. he needs to be back home, not
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working in a hard labor camp. so we're tremendously concerned. in the last letter we talked about lung and liver problems he didn't have before. we're really concerned. >> in the interview, your brother asked the u.s. to send an envoy as soon as possible. has the u.s. government told you anything about the possibility of sending a u.s. envoy? is your communication like? >> they tell us they are working on something behind the scenes but we're not privy to the details. >> how often do you have contact with the u.s. government and i mean, is it an on going dialogue? >> we are in regular contact with the state department, but again, most of the time they have nothing to report. >> does it help -- >> a couple months without any news. >> does it help to see a video like this? >> you know, we are certainly hopeful that perhaps the signals
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and opening and readiness by the officials but, you know, we've been down this road before and until kenneth touches down on soil, we don't know. just ahead, a dire warning about the out of control ebola case. the time is running out to get the epidemic out of control. dr. sanjay gupta has the latest.
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a dire warning about the ebola outbreak. the head of the cdc said the time is running out to get the crisis under control. >> there is a window of opportunity to tamp this down but that window is closing. we know how to stop ebola. the challenge is to scale it up to the massive levels needed to stop this outbreak. >> the world health organization warned that as many as 20,000 people could have become inflected before the outbreak is contained. more than 3,000 have been sickened, more than half of those have died.
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dr. kent bradley barely beat the odds. tonight on nbc news, he described how close he came to death. >> i don't think they ever said kent, i think you're about to die, but i felt like i was about to die, and i said to the nurse taking care of me, i'm sick. i have no reserve, and i don't know how long i can keep this up. i thought, i'm not going to be able to continue breathing this way, and they had no way to breathe for me if i quit breathing. >> another missionary doctor, a friend of dr. brantly has been diagnosed with ebola. sanjay, this other american doctor infected, he wasn't actually treating ocho boebola patients.
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>> he was working for the same organization where dr. brantly was working so they came underneath the same umbrella. he was actually working in the obstetrics ward with pregnant women, not in the isolation ward. as soon as he got sick, he isolated himself and he's doing well. how exactly did he get it? they will have a press briefing tomorrow about this. maybe it will shed more light on it. hopefully they will, it will be an important question to answer, anderson. >> tough words from the director of the cdc. the message seems to be things will get worse, at lease for the near term. >> you know, anderson, there has hardly been any details given about what the plan is. we've heard that and i heard comments today, they echoed almost exactly what he said a month ago in front of congress, they need more resources, they need more technical expertise and a unified approach. i don't know what that means
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frankly and some of the specifics now are really, really important. one of the global unified approach really mean? you know, unless you have the specifics, i think it's harder to understand how this is going to be contained ultimately. >> there is cases of, you know, nurses going on strike because they aren't paid well and don't have enough protected gear. the fact we're well into this outbreak and there is still places where protective gear is an issue, i mean, was this just under estimated, this outbreak? >> you know, i was there in april a couple weeks after the first patient was officially diagnosed and during the time i was there, the case numbers tripled. you had the world health organization on the ground and msf on the ground and the health ministries of various countries were engaged and saw the same things. why we saw now so many months later this is officially out of control. call it under estimating, call it whatever you want.
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the fact that every time we hear from an official things get worse, we know how to control it. at some point, it's important for details to emerge, what is happening on the ground and what will this look like? the public relations campaign alone is concerning. i think it's worrying people to hear two separate things. we'll contain this. it's going to happen but things continue to get worse. >> we talked last week, they are starting clinical trials of an experimental vaccine that's going to start this week, that's a little good news, not necessarily that it will help people in this outbreak. >> right, it's going to take time for this to go through the scientific process by the end of the year, it will take determination to see if this meets safety standers and you have to go through a larger trial, more people in several countries to determine if this is effective. it won't be available for this outbreak is what we keep hearing and there is good news and bad
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news in there. the good news that means that hopefully the outbreak will be over. the bad news is the vaccine is not going to be part of the strategy. you and i traveled through some places in central, western africa and remote areas. if you have the perfect med or vaccines, figuring out who needs it, how to get it to them, that's a huge obstacle, as well. >> i was just in congo two or three weeks ago and there is another outbreak there of a different strain, again, just incredibly concerning. up next, more on isis's games they killed a second american. we remember the 31-year-old freelance journalist. he knew the danger reporting overseas but it's what he loved to do and nobody is going to stop him. ♪ eenie. meenie. miney. go.
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knew him described him. the 31-year-old freelance journalist travelled the world. in libya, he wrote an article for time magazine, a firsthand account from the guards that witnessed the attack on the u.s. compound in benghazi and speak with cnn in 2012. >> there was no protest. they were armed with ak-47s and had blast demolitions for explosives for blast fishing and grenades. >> reporter: sotloff loved journalism from an early age and revitalized his high school paper and he grew up in south florida with his parents and younger sister. besides journalism, his other love was the miami heat. june last year, he tweeted, is it bad that i want to focus on syria, but all i can think of is a heat finals repeat? after college, sotloff took
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arabic and sometimes taking chances. in egypt when a friend warned him not to meet with the muslim brotherhood, he went anyway, writing in the journal that he headed straight to the layer where i believed i would be devoured. in syria, his reporting focussed on the human side. syrians displaced waiting seven hours in line for a bag of bread. in 2012, sotloff wrote it's not bombing killing refugees, it's lack of medicine and proper sanitation. even when he fears for his life, he kept on reporting. >> he was concerned that he had been on some kind of a list, and this was about the time that isis first started showing up, and he felt that he had angered some rebels, he didn't know which ones by taking footage of a hospital that had been hospitaled. >> reporter: steven sotloff was apparently looking to leave
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syria soon, go home and attend graduate stochool. >> he said he had one last story he was working on and this was the end. he was tired of it all. >> reporter: tired and perhaps something more. >> he had the same fear we had of him work income syria, paranoia, fear. >> reporter: a friend finally remembering him on twitter wrote at a smoky cafe in cairo smiling widely, the last time i saw steven. a wonderful soul. rest in peace. randi kaye, cnn, new york. we'll have more on steven sotloff in the next hour and breaking news president obama authorized extra security for baghdad's airport, excuse me, embassy, some 350 u.s. troops will be deployed as the u.s. launches an air strike in i rack. -- iraq. we have new developments. et sict breathe through your nose...
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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. thanks for joining us for this extended edition of "360." president obama ordered new troops into iraq and help secure facilities in baghdad. another air strike in isis and iraq and the release of a video claiming to show the killing of steven