>> so? so? >> reporter: we asked people to put a number on their level of interest. >> probably an 8. >> oh, probably about a 6. >> reporter: what are you? >> a zero. >> reporter: and you're english. >> 2. >> reporter: how about if you're walking more than a dozen kids tethered to a leash. how much are you interested in this? >> zero. >> reporter: at least these kids aren't tethered to a throne. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. thanks for watching. anderson's next. good evening. thanks very much for joining us. the original images were shocking enough. baltimore ravens star running back ray rice dragging the unconscious body of his fiancee at the atlantic city casino. a fiance he beat into unconsciousness. tonight that suspense is now indefinitely. his employment with the ravens terminated. here is the reason why. you can now see the entire scene

including inside that elevator of the moment that ray rice battered the woman who would later become his wife. raw domestic violence caught on camera. just minutes ago ravens head coach john harbaugh spoke to reporters about the newly public video. >> it's something we saw for the first time today, all of us. and it changed things, of course. you know, it made things a little bit different. >> john, did he mislead you? were you misled in any way? because you stood up here and defended the guy, now you see the video and make this decision? >> i don't want to get into all that. i don't think of it that way. you know, everything i said in terms of what i believe, i stand behind. i believe that still. and i'll always believe those things and we'll always stand in support of them as a couple. and that's not going to change. >> he had no answer for why the team's first viewing of the images from inside the elevator was just today. so ray rice is off the team but not yet out of the league.

he's on indefinite suspension. many of the questions remain about the nfl's stated zero tolerance for zom stick violence. rachel nichols takes a look. >> reporter: the controversy had stretched for months, but in the end the resolution came quickly. first this afternoon ray rice was cut from the baltimore ravens. then just minutes later, suspended indefinitely by the nfl. the catalyst for this sudden change? this video acquired by tmz showing rice punching his then-fiancee, janay palmer in an atlantic city casino elevator then dragging her limp body halfway out the door dropping her on her face with her skirt hiked up. rice had already been discipl e disciplined by the nfl for this incident in july receiving just a two-game suspension. at the time he said he was sorry for what he'd done. >> my actions were inexcusable. that's something i have to live with the rest of my life. >> reporter: still, the late

penalty sparked heated debate. the nfl was eventually forced to create a more stringent domestic violence policy with commissioner roger goodell acknowledging, quote, i didn't get it right. simply put, we have to do better. but it wasn't until this morning when the public was able to see the incident unfold in realtime that the debate transformed to outrage. even from fellow nfl players. denver broncos co-captain terence knighten tweeted, that man should be thrown out of the nfl and thrown into jail. shame on those deciding his punishment. and sage rosenfelds, i wonder how many games the suspension would have been if that was roger goodell's daughter lying there? the nfl quickly released a statement noting, quote, that video was not made available to us and no one in our office had seen it until today. but that only sparked more questions. if tmz had obtain the video, why hadn't the nfl? what other flaws had there been

in the league's investigation? finally, just after 2:00 p.m., the double-barreled discipline to rice came down. but with other players currently active in the nfl despite having been arrested on domestic violence charges, hall of famer steve young is one of the many still wondering how much further the nfl has to go. >> fundamentally, if the league is going to have a no tolerance policy for domestic abuse, we've got to back it up. we can't be backed into it with a video. any company in this country, any big company, if that happens, they send you home. they might pay you, but you don't play -- you don't come to work until we figure this out. >> rachel nichols joins us now along with former buffalo bill and cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin and sunny hostin, both former federal prosecutors. rachel, it is disconcerting that it took this video -- i mean, they had seen him dragging his

limp, unconscious wife or fiancee out and dropping her on her face. why seeing the video, why did that make a difference? >> a lot of people have been asking that question even before this morning. it's disconcerting that apparently they didn't look very hard for the video. let's say we believe them -- and there are people who don't believe they haven't seen it till this morning. >> there are some saying that folks at the nfl had seen the video. >> but what do you mean you asked for it and you didn't get it? this is the nfl, one of the most powerful businesses in the country. tmz obtained the video. >> the nfl have their own security personnel who have law enforcement connections. >> thoroughly vet any draft pick they want. they can do that for their own purposes, but they can't find this video? this was a huge falling down on the job. and it's really only the outcry of the american public and tmz, the unmasker of donald sterling, by the way, and maybe it had to do with the sterling case. so many other cases of accused racial discrimination, but it

wasn't until we heard it with our own ears that people got so viscerally upset. now that they're seeing this as well it caused the same reaction. makes you think you need to be more careful before you see that kind of evidence. >> players have spoken out saying that ray rice needs to be gone. you say he needs to be banned. are you surprised that more didn't speak out before they saw this video? >> i think that many have spoken out on social media. talked to many current players who are livid that they're now associated with ray rice and his actions, even former players who are part of the nfl fraternity for a lifetime aren't happy with being associated with that type of action. an example has to be made of ray rice. >> what do you make of the coach's comment just in the last hour or so saying that, you know, kind of nothing changes in his perception of ray rice although the video does kind of change things. let's play a little of what the coach said. >> you said it changed for you.

how did it change after seeing this? >> i don't know in i want to get into all the details about it. i think it's pretty obvious and pretty apparent. everybody's seen the video. and just leave it at that. >> you know, i thought well maybe ray rice had lied to them, but he was point blank asked that and he said that's not really his perception moronic, . just that attitude is what got the nfl into this situation. if we can just pause while slamming the nfl -- well deserved -- how about the prosecutors who allowed ray rice in new jersey to get away not even with pleading to a misdemeanor but pleading to basically like a 16-year-old kid who gets caught graffitiing a wall. if he wasn't anteriored aga ear would have a clean record, the diversion program. the atlanta county prosecutor

has a lot to answer for as well the nfl. >> i do think reading that tweet from a player that if that was one of roger goodell's daughters, you think that's all the punishment he would have gotten from the nfl? >> i prosecuted domestic violence cases. there's no question that there's a zero tolerance policy at many prosecutor's offices. i'm shocked that he was even eligible for a diversion program having seen this brutal attack. he was indicted on aggravated assault and would have gotten five years in prison had he been convicted. to offer someone a difb ergs program in new jersey is remarkable. i'm admitted to the new jersey bar. there's an exception to pretrial diversion programs, you can't get a diversion program for animal cruelty, that's an exception. >> are you serious? >> i'm serious. that was added in 2010. >> if you abuse an animal -- >> but you can clock your wife and knock her out cold and drag her out of an elevator and get a diversion program. that's unbelievable.

>> does the law just not view this as a big deal? >> the problem is really not the law. the problem is the prosecutors who don't enforce the law. that's illegal what he did. you don't need to change the law to say that that's not -- >> of course it's criminal. but the prosecutors gave him this sweet deal. and one thing that a lot of people have a misimpression of, is that a lot of women, tragically, who are victims of domestic violence, they say they don't want to press charges. that's not -- that doesn't decide whether a case gets brought. domestic violence is a crime against the community. >> in this case the fiancee chose not to press charges -- >> but it doesn't matter. >> i'm not saying it matters. >> but when the nfl interviewed her and supposedly that was one of the main reasons that they later said that they only gave him a two-game suspension. they interviewed her next to him, sitting in front of him. that's a kind breach of protocol.

>> they tweeted out a while ago that she accepts responsibility and feels sorry for the role that she played in this incident. >> the press conference you're showing right now. >> but that's the comment that the team chose to tweet out. >> that's absurd. what we tolerate, we perpetuate. the nfl has to make a strong stance right now against domestic abuse. ray rice can be the example that sends a more demanding message and demanding message to all nfl players and the youth across the nation that look up to those players that hitting women is wrong. we need to broaden the microscope and the focus not just on the nfl, on the prosecutors, how about the players? the nfl players association needs to step up in this moment to make a difference. it exists to protect the rights of its players. now they have an opportunity to protect rights of women everywhere. >> just yesterday, there are other players involved in domestic abuse cases that were playing yesterday.

>> it's wrong. right now, better late than never. never late is better, of course, but now is a moment that can be used to create positive change to help women everywhere in this world, in this moment. >> do players need to step up, the nfl needs to step up. ban ray rice from life. i believe in second chances but sometimes an example needs to be made. he can be the one right now. >> you played in this league. do you buy their explanation? >> no, i don't at all. i think it's absurd that they weren't able to get that video that was in -- if they couldn't get that video, then they need to hire someone from tmz -- >> i think we're hearing so much about, we've been hearing, in my view, this blame the victim stuff over and over again. that somehow she may have provoked this attack and that was a mitigating factor. ray rice's attorneys themselves sort of hypothetically put out what if she hit him first. we saw people come out and say

no one should hit anyone and she was to blame. this is really the opportunity to discuss domestic violence, discuss why women do stay, discuss why that this is part of the vicious cycle of domestic violence and i agree that the nfl players association has this wonderful opportunity to come out -- i believe they've been silent so far. they need to come out and explain what they intend to do to change this culture. because this is not the first time that we're hearing about violence against women in the nfl, right? >> let's talk about whose responsibility it is to sanction -- because we've just been talking about the nfl. the ravens could have done something as well. >> every single group and person along the way failed this woman and failed the rest of women across the league who are partners with some of these guys and there's several cases sitting in the nfl offices right now. this is not the only one. you had the ravens who could have released him before today. when aaron hernandez was

arrested and charged with murder, the new england patriots didn't wait for due process. they cut him within the hour. ray rice could have been cut within the hour of being arrested on these charges. >> mark my word, he will play in the nfl again. >> really? >> he has not been banned for life by the nfl. this is a league -- he's a 27-year-old superstar running back who has already been on a super bowl champion. those people are extremely valuable in professional football. he will go through one of these phony baloney, you know, psychiatric evaluation and he'll be there and they'll have a tearful press conference with his wife -- >> what kind of message does that send? >> horrible message. >> i can't imagine that's going to happen. if something like that were to happen -- >> i also have to say his press conference where he said i was raised by a single mom, this goes against -- we've heard that. >> we hear that all the time. >> that was chris brown on larry king four years ago. >> if anything it speaks to how

pervasive a problem it is. there's no one type for an abuser. it is not like this is a bad guy and that's how you identify the abusers. there's all kinds of people, all kinds of athletes who do these kinds of thing. >> it's the response that will be most important. i'm actually appalled at the coach's response. >> just tonight. >> all appalling saying that he supports the couple. well, that in and of itself shows you how far we need to go in terms of at least the nfl in dealing with domestic violence. >> i appreciate you being on, sunny, rachel nichols, jeff stick around. we'll talk to you shortly. more to talk about from the intersection of sports. rachel mentioned donald sterling. now another nba owner is selling his team after his racially charged remarks came to light. the question, did what atlanta hawks owner bruce levinson say, did it add up to racism or an awkward expression of racial

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today was certainly a wake-up call for anyone who still believes that professional sports exists on a separate plane from the real world. sometimes we're removed from domestic violence and racism. exhibit a ray rice, exhibit b, ray levinson. like donald sterling he's in hot water for thins he said about african-americans. unlike donald sterling he's selling his stake in the team without a fight. he's got big name defenders like kareem abdul-jabbar who joins us for an exclusive interview. first, background from martin savidge. >> reporter: it's the e-mail this cost a team. bruce levinson fired off these insights on why the franchise wasn't attracting more affluent white season ticket holders. it's 70% black he wrote. my theory is that the black crowd scared away the whites.

he goes on, i think southern whites simply were not comfortable being in an arena or in a bar where they were in the minority. he says it bothered him every fan picked out for a contest is black and says i have even bitched the kiss cam is too black. for the nba, it's another embarrassment as the league is struggle to overcome the racially-laced diatribe of donald sterling earlier this year. in fact, levinson was one of sterling's strongest critics speaking out to cnn's wolf blitzer. >> donald sterling, what he said, i'm his partner. i can't be partners with somebody who shares those views. >> reporter: sunday levinson issued an apology and announced that he's selling the team, dumping the pr nightmare into the lap of the hawks' brand new ceo steve coonan. he told me he was dumbfounded when he read the 2012 e-mail.

that said business bigoted e-mail. and it is breathtakingly stupid as far as a business communication. what were your thoughts when you read it? >> i couldn't believe it. i think you just said breath takingly stupid. i think i had an audible gasp. there are no words to describe, there's nothing but mort tafied and angry. >> reporter: koonin told me the outrage came to light after danny ferry made what was considered by some fellow front office managers as a racially insensitive remark and that ferry has since been disciplined. >> i have punished mr. ferry in excess of the findings. >> reporter: punished in what way? >> we're going to keep what that punishment is as a team private matter. that is the way that we feel is best to do it. but i can assure you we listened, we reacted and we've put a punishment that is

appropriate, some will say it's too harsh, some could say it's not harsh enough. >> reporter: an internal investigation was launched due to ferry's remark and levinson's bombshell e-mail was found. attempts to reach ferry have so far been unsuccessful. koonin realized first he had to apologize to the fans and second face the team. have you spoken to any of the team? >> there was a meeting. i addressed them. >> reporter: what was that like? >> it was like walking into a funeral. these are young men who wear our city's name and our logo on their chest. they played for a team, and they're supposed to be supported by their ownership and ownership failed in supporting them. >> reporter: cnn tried to speak to levinson but he has yet to be seen publicly since the sale announcement. when was the last time you spoke to bruce levinson? >> yesterday. >> reporter: what did you say? >> i think it's best if you walk away. >> reporter: and what did he

say? >> you're right. >> reporter: all of this came out on sunday, yesterday, the first day of the nfl season. so many people were focused on football, not on the nba. so it's going to be interesting now that this information is coming out about this e-mail and what was said, what the reaction will be. it is likely to grow. martin savidge, cnn. atlanta mayor kasim reed calls the e-mail reprehensible. a civil rights leader in atlanta say they show their racism is alive and well in the city. kareem abdul-jabbar joins me now. he wrote in "time" atlanta hawks controlling owner bruce levinson is no donald sterling. his crime is misguided white guilt. he joins me for an exclusive interview. you say that levenson is a businessman asking reasonable questions about how to put customers in seats and that he was simply addressing a problem that seemed obvious to him.

but he's talking about black people scaring away white people and white people feeling uncomfortable being at a bar with black people. >> well, you know, what i see is that the whole idea of racism is a very uncomfortable subject. it's very complex, it's emotional. it's hard to pin certain thins down. how do you know how much guilt is affecting a certain person in what way. you go through weird scenarios trying to figure these things out. it's very difficult. i think in this case, mr. levenson should be given the benefit of the doubt because he was trying to assess how to run his business in a more efficient, profitable way. i don't think it had anything to do with him trying to keep blacks out of the arena where his team plays or in any way

saying that black people were the problem. >> but isn't that -- isn't that what he's saying. you can say this is a business decision, but he's trying to figure out how to get more white people to come in and fewer black people to come in. i mean, how to get white people or companies to buy season passes and to buy box seats. isn't that automatically meaning less african-americans? >> well, i think you want to get as many affluent people who can afford to buy season tickets to do so. and that will come from across the racial spectrum. i don't think that any one group is singled out there. you want to get as many affluent people as you can to support your team. >> but he is saying white people are being scared away. he says the audience is 70% black. he says they need some white cheerleaders in there, less black people on the kiss cam. >> i don't -- i haven't heard

his voice in all this. i'd really like to hear what he has to say because there's a lot of different ways to interpret this. i would really -- i really feel that he deserves at least the chance to defend himself. >> absolutely. >> we can find out exactly what he was thinking and what he meant when he was saying those things. >> is there anything in what you read, though, that makes you uncomfortable? obviously we'd love to hear from him. he hasn't made any public comments. i'm sure he's being advised by various pr people to lay low for a while. anything when you read them that you thought, i understand that's a business decision, but fewer black people on the kiss cam? >> i don't think that he is expressing any hatred for any racial group. i didn't see that. he might have -- the way things came out were very awkward and it's hard to figure out exactly what he's talking about because getting more people in the seats

is a problem or an issue for anyone who owns a professional sports team. so one of the issues that this gentleman had to try to deal with was race. and again it's a very volatile and emotional issue, but i think he should get the benefit of the doubt and be given a chance to explain exactly what he was talking about. >> kareem abdul-jabbar, appreciate you being on. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> people can check out your article at time.com. charles blow is back with us, and jeffrey toobin. charles, what did you think of what kareem said? >> i have all the respect. i grew up watching kareem. so for him as well as a sports star and even now as an elder statesman. but i cannot disagree more with what he's saying. we can't get a business waiver for bias. i don't even understand that. i don't even understand how you can read what levenson has

written there and not take away from that that he is thinking about, contemplating placating unreasonable racist fear or discomfort around african-american people in the stands and how do you look at that and look at the history of this country and realize what kind of business interests have been used to propagate the most grotesque forms of racism in this country. >> let me play devil's advocate here because kareem's not here on this. as a businessperson if you were saying, we need to fill more seat and why don't we have a greater more diversity in our audience, why don't we have big companies paying big money for box seats and things like that, maybe some people feel uncomfortable, maybe we need a greater diversity in our cheerleading staff, a greater diversity of those who appear on

television on the kiss cam. is that wrong? >> dig down to what you're saying. if you're saying that the reason that they won't do that is because there is a visceral reaction to the -- to black people and that we need to modify the people who come to our stadium to kind of appease this racist, visceral reaction that people are having, that's offensive in the highest order. this kind of business rationale. that's why we had segregated lunch counters because people were uncomfortable or afraid of black people being next to them. that's why we had a lot of the jim crow architecture is built around comforting white people so they did not have to be around black people and therefore they would stay redlining in neighborhoods is built around the same idea. >> jeff, what do you make? we need to play greater diversity in music, something a guy in his 40s, not so much hip-hop and gospel which is

apparently what they were playing a lot of. >> i was more sympathetic to what kareem wrote in at time.com. like all businesses they want to increase customer base. most of the people who hold season tickets are white. how can we get more white people in the building, that's what he was concerned about. it was a legitimate way to get more people in the arena. he expressed himself in a horrible way. it's appropriate that he's selling the team. adam silver who should be commissioner of baseball as well as basketball. he said at his first press conference, we are a league that is overwhelmingly black among the players and overwhelmingly white among the owners, so we need to be more sensitive than most on this. >> it is just a sensitivity issue? >> no, that's a problem to even phrase it that way. when you say the reason that you need to be more sensitive is because the more of your players

are black, no you need to be more sensitive because that's the more humane thing to do. the humanity in us should dictate that we do not punish people or play to people on the basis of race. it shouldn't even be about what the composition of the players is. >> you have a lot to write in "the new york times." charles blow and jeff toobin as well. more breaking news tonight. the u.s. may have identified the masked man in the james foley execution video. is it is same terrorist seen in the murder of steven sotloff. we'll talk to one of hiss friends. friends. i've always loved exploring and looking for something better. that's the way i look at life. especially now that i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib,

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there's more breaking news tonight. law enforcement telling us they may have identified the man behind the mask in the murders of james foley and steven sotloff. >> anderson, sources say u.s. and british law enforcement authorities are honing in on a subject they believe is a man known as jihadi john. the masked man shown right here putting a knife to james foley's throat in the execution video, they believe he's a british citizen tied to a group of

extremists based in london. but at this point officials declined to name the suspect citing the ongoing investigation and also there are a number of sensitivities surrounding publicly identifying him. isis still has other american hostages whose lives are in danger. that's a big consideration and investigators want to nail down who the suspect's network of possible co-conspirators are before making any sort of public identification. >> do we know what tools they used to identify him, how they did it? >> just in speaking to sources fbi and british authorities have been using human and technical means to identify this person. initially there was a lot of focus on voice analysis which helped investigators trace the man's british accent to london. that was a good starting point. but i've been learning that it was really the human intel that was likely the biggest factor here. this former cia official says brits have good human source intel on the ground and have the catalog of names and sources to

give them intel on people that probably made the big difference here. >> more than one person involved in the actual murder here. do they think now to the same man who was in the video of steven sotloff? >> that's a good question. officials i've been speaking to today are cautioning against drawing a connection between foley's alleged killer and sot love's alleged killer. even though the british accents sound similar, they're still trying to determine the identity of the militant in the sotloff murder. >> they're cautioning this is not 100% -- they don't know for 100%, right? >> that's right. officials i've spoken with today are saying it is not 100% because even though they do have a good idea who the masked man is in this video, they have to cross-check with british authorities to have confirmation that it is the right person. they may not want to put everything on the table right now and tip off isis. they realize isis may collect intel on us by watching the news and you have to think about the

factors i mentioned earlier, the fact that isis still has american hostages and also this is still an ongoing investigation. >> pamela brown, thanks. joining us barack barfi, thank you for being with us. i'm sorry for your loss and the loss of everybody in the sotloff family. what do you mean people to know about steven? the amount of time he spent in very dangerous areas, you know, dedicating and risking his life to tell the stories of peoples whose voices were often unheard. that's what struck me. >> steve loved the arab and islamic world. he wanted to bring their suffering to the world stage. he believed that everybody was created equal and the people in the arab and islamic world weren't terrorists they were just people like you and me who wanted to give, who wanted to give their kids a good education and possibly travel to europe when they had the time and money. >> you spoke to him shortly

before he was taken. >> i was with steve the morning he was kidnapped. i saw him off at about 7:30. minutes after he was kidnapped he called me to tell me he was in, then he was kidnapped by isis. >> he repeatedly went out to tell people's stories. >> for the first time we can say that steven was sold at the border. his name was on the list that he was involved in the bombing of a hospital. >> he was sold at the border? >> yes, we believe na the so-called moderate rebels that people want our administration to support, one of them sold him probably for something between 25 and $50,000 to isis. and that was the reason that he was captured. >> how do you know this? >> we know this from our sources on the ground. it happened so quickly that when he was kidnapped, they didn't have the time to mobilize those resources. somebody at the border crossing made a phone call to isis and they set up a fake checkpoint with many people and steve and

his people that he went in with could not escape. >> when you've heard the administration's response to all of this, what do you make of it from your vantage point? >> the administration has made a number of inaccurate statements. they've said that the families have been consistently and regularly informed. that is not true. i speak now only from the sotloff family. i can't speak for the other families. they said that these hostages were moved frequently. we know that most of the beginning of this year they were stationary. we know that the intelligence community and the white house are enmeshed in a larger game of bureaucratic infighting and jim and steve are pawns in that game. and that's not fair. if there continues to be leaks, the sotloff family will have to speak out to set the record straight. >> what do you mean that they were pawns? can you say more? >> i'll give you one example. people now are talking about the torture that some of these hostages suffered. people talked about specifically some of the are the tours that jim suffered. and that's just not fair to his family. they need time to heal.

there was an article last week in "the wall street journal" basically revealing some of the details of the raid, the pentagon, the intelligence community were pushing back against the white house and saying it was their fault, that they didn't provide the surveillance necessary to find the hostages. >> do you feel -- but you're saying that if the administration continues to say things which you believe are not true and the sotloff family says are not true that what, the sotloff family will have more information to say? >> anderson, the relationship between the administration and the sotloff family was very strained. >> strained? >> yes. we do not believe they gave us the cooperation they need. once steve appeared in that video, the sotloff made one simple request of the administration and they were rebuffed on that. >> can you say what the request was? >> i can't say that because i have to think about protecting the other hostages inside. >> the white house has put out a statement. they say we understand the very real pain the sotloff family is feeling at this time. our thoughts and prayers are

with them as they grieve steven's loss. we condemn the murders of steven and jim foley and we remain committed to bringing the perpetrators of these crimes to justice. do you have any response that? >> when your view into the largest government in the world is two fbi agents, that's simply not enough. the administration could have done more, they could have helped us, they could have seen them through. these are people of modest means. they're not cosmopolitan, they don't have college educations, they don't understand the large ramifications if foreign policy. i don't believe they were afforded the opportunities of respect they should have been afforded by this administration. >> do you hope to see a change in the way families are being dealt with, the way that hostages are dealt with? >> this is the first time that we've had so many americans kidnapped and held by an al qaeda or jihadist group ever for so long amount of time. the government needs to set up a crisis center. it needs to coordinate better

between its arm of government. it needs to establish early on a senior administration white house point of contact that the families can contact on a regular basis. not five, six months in, not eight months in, at the beginning so the families know there's someone to hold their hand all the time. we need to be able to work closer with our allies. intelligence sharing and cooperation just isn't as good as it should be. >> do you have any response to the idea that u.s. intelligence may have identified at least one of the people in that video? >> anderson, we know a lot of the hostages have come out and they've told us things about people in the prison. so these british guards are known as the beatles, we've had a lot of information on them. we know they have east london accents from what people told us from inside the prison. who is in charge, who is the smarter one, who does more islamic preachings, there's a lot of information out there. >> i appreciate you being on.

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tonight federal health officials are trying to determine if hundreds of kids in ten states have been sickened by the same virus. many of the kids are so sick they're sending up at the hospital critically ill and needs intensive care. symptoms start out like an ordinary cold but within hours a child can be left gasping for air. a virus called evd 68 seems to be limited to children not adults. and officials fear it could be in the early stages with a lot more cases possible. i want to bring in dr. sanjay gupta. what do we need to know about this virus? >> this virus isn't new. it's been around for some time. what's sort of unusual about this is in the last 50 years or

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frankly anyone with a set of eyes and sense of decency. then came the league on the website tmz of the prelude to what you just saw. we can now see the entire scene inside the elevator, the moment that ray rice battered the woman who would later become his wife. tonight rice's suspension is indefinitely from the nfl, his employment with the ravens has been terminated. rafbens head coach john harbaugh spoke to reporters about the newly public images. >> it's something we saw for the first time today, all of us. it changed things, of course. it made things a little bit different. >> did he mislead you, were you misled in any way? you stood up here and defended the guy, now you see the video and make this decision? >> i don't want to get into all that. i don't think of it that way. you know. everything i said in terms of what i believe, i stand behind. i believe that still. and i'll always believe those

things. we'll always stand in support of them as a couple. and that's not going to change. >> as for why the team only saw those images today, coach harbaugh had no answers. in fact, that's just one question, a complete discussion. rachel nichols brings up to the minute. >> the controversy had stretched for months, but in the end the resolution came quickly. first this afternoon ray rice was cut from the baltimore ravens, then just minutes later suspended indefinitely by the nfl. the catalyst for this sudden change? this video acquired by tmz showing rice punching his then-fiancee janay palmer in an atlantic city casino elevator then dragging her limp body halfway out the door, dropping her on her face with her skirt hiked up. rice had already been disciplined by the nfl for this incident in july receiving a two-game suspension. at the time he said he was sorry

for what he'd done. >> my actions were inexcusable. that's something i have to live with the rest of my life. >> reporter: still, the late penalty sparked heated debate. the nfl was eventually forced to create a more stringent domestic violence policy with roger goodell acknowledging, quote, i didn't get it right. simply put, we have to do better. but it wasn't until this morning when the public was able to see the incident unfold in realtime that the debate transformed to outrage, even from fellow nfl players. denver broncos k captain terence knighton tweeted, that man should be thrown out of the nfl and into jail. shame on those deciding his punishment. and former veteran quarterback sage rosenfels. i wonder how many games the suspension would have been if that was roger goodell's daughter lying there? the nfl released a statement noting that video was not made available to us and no one in our office had seen it until

today. but that only sparked more questions. if tmz obtained the video, why hadn't the nfl? what other flaws had there been in the league's investigation. finally just after 2:00 p.m., the double barreled discipline to rice came down. but with other players currently active in the nfl despite having been arrested on domestic violence charges, hall of famer steve young is one of the many still wondering how much further the nfl has to go. >> fundamentally if the league is going to have a no tolerance policy for domestic abuse, they've got the back it up. we can't be backed into it with a video. any company in this country, any big company, if that happens, they don't -- they send you home. you don't come to work until we figure this out. >> josh ernest spoke with the president this morning, the president of the united states, the president is the father of two daughters. like any american he believes

that dom tick violence is contemptible. hitting a woman is not something a real man does. and that's true if it happens in the public eye or all too often behind closed doors. we all have the responsibility to put a stop to it. is this matter resolved? the nfl has suspended him indefinitely. he's not banned for life. he could play again. and there could be more to come tomorrow. >> today was about the shock of this video. will ray rice remain in the nfl, will he get cut? but going forward you'll see more questions about why the nfl didn't take this information and this video into account sooner. i'm one of the many people wondering why the nfl with its team of investigators couldn't do what tmz managed, and by the way, tmz has already started dropping hints that tomorrow they're going to have yet another report with some indications that the nfl may have known more than it's saying today. so wait for that. >> because now the coach has come out and said nobody around

here saw this videotape. the nfl is saying we didn't see this videotape. but if it turns the out somebody did see the videotape, then they're caught not telling the truth. >> now you have a bigger problem. >> i want to bring in former ray rice teammate and all-time leading receiver derek mason and sunny hostin and mark geragos. you spoke to ray rice after the incident back in february. i know you say you found him reflective and remorseful, but you also thought he needed more than a two-game punishment. what's your reaction to the nfl actions today? >> i think what happened today was warranted. ray and i right after it happened, he and i kind of went back and forth via text message. and like i said before, he seemed remorseful. and i believed it. i didn't have any other choice but to. but seeing what i saw today, it was very disturbing.

it angered me. to know what actually happened inside of that elevator. >> did it change the way you thought about this incident? because previously video -- you know, there was video of him dragging his unconscious wife out of the elevator, dropping her face first on the ground. seeing the video, it changed even your perception of the incident? >> it didn't change my perception as far as he should have been suspended for more games, but if you don't know exactly what happened, then you kind of speculate. but to actually see it, like i said, it angered me. i'm the father of a beautiful daughter, 15-year-old daughter, i have two sisters. and to see something like that, like i said, it angers you and you wonder why the nfl didn't do something a little bit more harsh at the beginning. >> you wrote that the nfl needed to act based on this latest

individual wroe. why based on this video, why not the earlier video showing him dragging his fiancee out of the video, was that not enough? >> they should have done it then, but because we're here now, of course they had to act today. the point i was trying to make if we had any doubt about the power of seeing it or hearing it, we should have no more doubts. donald sterling, hearing the audio four months ago with him and now seeing this. but to the point and your conversation with derrick is, what did people think domestic violence looked like? so i'm kind of shocked that there is such shock today because that's exactly what it looks like. this could be a watershed moment if the nfl moves forward with other abusers. but the only reason i wrote that it was good that they did, it was at this point. >> it brings up the point which christine intimated which all those women who don't have

cameras rolling when they're being beaten by their husbands or fiances or boyfriends or whoever, do people take it as seriously as they should. i was stunned in our last hour, you told me that in new jersey, where this actually happened, you can't get a diversion program where you don't have to go to jail but you get a diversion program from prosecutors if you are convicted of animal cruelty. but he was able to get a diversion program for beating up his wife. >> that's right. it just goes to show you where we are today in our treatment of domestic violence. we just don't understand it. it doesn't seem like we care enough about it. remarkable to me that now that we've seen this video, all of a sudden there's this outrage. i was outraged from the very beginning because having prosecuted these cases, i know what they look like. i know what domestic violence looks like. i suppose the world knows this is a window into what women go through each and every day across our country. and i think what is really

shameful that the narrative now has changed because remember first it was she somehow provoked this attack on herself. she hit him first. that was seen as a mitigating circumstance for so many people. >> the team itself tweeted out early on that she's apologetic for her role in this. >> that's right. and you know, i'm here to say that, again, domestic violence happens each and every day around our country. there are people that you're going to be sitting next to at work on the train, on the bus, that are going through this privately and the suggestion somehow that women are at fault, the blame the victim thing, just really has to end. >> mark, do you have any doubt that -- i mean, he didn't get prosecuted for this and he got into this diversion program. if he he wasn't the famous football player that he is, would he have been treated so leniently? >> i don't think -- you have to remember, if i understand

correctly, didn't they get married after this incident? >> yeah. >> aren't they back together. >> she would have come forward and filed charges. >> right. >> so what do you expect somebody to do? what's the prosecutor supposed to do? >> mark! >> the hardest part of these -- hold on, sunny. settle down a sec. >> there's a video, mark. >> well, there's a video now. you know, did the prosecutor know -- >> of course they had that. >> but there was a video before of him dragging an unconscious out of the elevator. let mark finish his comment. >> i'd like to just finish it if you could. because if you're a prosecutor and you've got a woman who has changed her story or who is giving you a story, you don't have access to the video inside of the elevator, you've got to make a realtime decision as to how you're going to proceed in this case. i will tell you having tried hundreds of these cases or handled hundred of these cases,

the recounting spouse, it happens in maybe 60 to 75% of these case wrs the spouse comes back and says, i don't want to prosecute. i provoked it, blah, blah, blah, which by the way is part of the battered woman's syndrome. >> how big of a problem is that? >> it is a big problem. however, mark, you know that in a case like this where you have a video documenting the attack, this is an easy case for a prosecutor. i can't begin to tell you how many of these cases i did try where there was a 911 call -- >> don't confuse this video --. wait a minute. you're telling me some prosecutor who allegedly graduated from law school sees an outside camera video of a man dragging an unconscious woman out of the elevator and doesn't call up the hotel and say, oh, wait, do you have a surveillance camera in the freaking elevator? >> of course they have. >> are you kidding me, mark? come on. >> every single day and try these cases without the victim. they put video evidence on.

they put 911 calls on and pictures. they don't need the victim to testify in a case like this. >> the problem with this is -- >> this is celebrity justice. >> one at a time, mark. go ahead. >> the problem with this case is he never would have been eligible for diversion if they had properly charged this in the first place because you have somebody whose lost consciousness, you've got them dragging them out of the elevator. that's a felony all day long. >> that's right. >> it should never have been charged as anything less. and if it was, it wouldn't have been diverted. >> do you think there needs to be a no tolerance policy in the nfl because just yesterday there were players playing who have domestic abuse cases going on. >> yeah, there has to be. if you want to show those that are paying hundreds of dollars each and every week to go to your games that you are not going to tolerate a lot of this that's going on, it has to be a

no nonsense tolerance with the nfl. if you continue to let guys, you know, whether it be in this situation or any other situation, you know, do something outside of the football field and not suspend them or take a long time to suspend them -- and i understand you got to let the judicial system take its course. but me as a fan, i'm perceiving it in a different way. perception is reality, especially in the nfl. if they perceive you to be one way, that's the way it is. >> the cope came out and spoke just a short time ago and i think a lot of people were surprised just by some of the things that he even said. he said he didn't feel he was lied to by ray rice, so the things that ray rice told him or the wife told him or told the nfl and the team. he didn't feel that they were in any way misled. but that somehow the video does change things a little bit but he still supports him and still wishes the best for both of

them. >> i think this shows how difficult this is going to be moving forward for the national football league. as you know, ravens fans were cheering him when he would appear on the video board at summer practice. and harbaugh was praising him and talking all about what a great guy he is. throughout this whole process. the notion was he's our guy and we'll defend him. that has been smashed to smithereens as of today. that's the positive takeaway here. that whatever culture there was, anderson, to protect these guys and keep them within the cocoon of the team, that is no more. thanks again to the videotape. it should have happened earlier. it did happen today. and to your point, there are players playing now who have actually been convicted. greg hardy with the carolina panthers defensive end actually found guilty of domestic violence. he is still playing. how in the world is that possible in the national football league after this ray rice story? >> somebody was smoking pot or found with marijuana in his

system got what, a year suspension automatically as opposed to just two games. christine brennan, derrick mason. sunny and mark will come back on another story we're following. joining us is tanya brown. the murder of her sister nicole brown simpson. she wrote a book, "finding peace amid the chaos." you saw the video that was posted today and also the previous video which apparently for a lot of people wasn't enough to really kind of form an opinion. >> you know what, anderson? i was having problems with my hearing. can you repeat that? >> what was your reaction when you first saw the video today of the attack inside the elevator and also the video previously which a lot of people saw of her being dragged out of the elevator which apparently didn't raise enough people's attention? >> you know what?

prior to today i was disgraced. when is the national football league and goodell going to put their hands down and say no more, zero tolerance, termination, not this two-game suspension, six-game suspension or even an indefinite suspension. zero tolerance, period? but when i saw that video today, anderson. i was -- woo, it caused a real visceral reaction to me because now i know what my sister looked like when she was beaten. if something isn't done, janay will end up like nicole. and something needs to stop. these guys have to be terminated. otherwise our voices don't matter. >> does it surprise you that it takes video proof in order to finally get an appropriate reaction? because i keep coming back to a tweet the ravens sent out months ago that she regrets her role in this as if she was sort of an equal player in this. >> yeah, you know what? that's so common with victims of domestic violence, you know.

and we hear rice saying also how apologetic he is. you wish that this incident didn't happen, but thank god the video was there. you know what? if the camera wasn't in that elevator, if the cameras weren't in our courtroom, nobody would have believed -- the american people probably wouldn't believe that o.j. simpson battered my sister since 1978. and she still ended up marrying him. even with the camera in the elevator, thank god that camera was in the elevator because nobody would have believed that ray rice -- and i'm a baltimore fan -- that ray rice would have committed domestic violence. and such brutality. i mean, my god, no respect, no respect. he didn't even put her dress down. nothing. >> do you believe this was a one-time thing? >> no, no, you know what? domestic violence doesn't start with the knockout, with the fist, it starts with the knockout of words. defamation of character, the constant putdowns. it didn't start with what we all

saw. what we saw was the end result of where it all began. and i'll tell you once, if somebody has hit you once, they will do it again. and it will get worse. it will happen again. hands down. and it didn't start here. can guys get rehabilitated? can women get rehabilitated? absolutely. there are batter treatment programs. and that's what my sister denise and i are out here encouraging people to take responsibility for your actions. get help. this is so sad. o.j. didn't need to get to the point where he killed my sister. rice didn't need to get to the point where he battered his wife. it did not need to get to this point. i want people to know that there is help for both the victim and the batterer. this did not need to happen. >> tanya brown, appreciate you being on tonight. >> thank you. just ahead new perspective in the shooting of an unarmed teenager michael brown. two witnesses we didn't know about until now have spoken to the police and the fbi. they're speaking to the press.

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several eyewitnesses have spoken out about what they saw when an officer shot an unarmed michael brown. people who were not from ferguson, don't know brown, aren't from the community but were working in the area when the shooting happened. they've told what they saw. what's the latest on this? >> the story's tend to corroborate other version we've heard from others at the scene. one of those witness first talked about it in a television interview august 12th which was broadcast on ktvi. the other man had not spoken to reporters but had given a statement to investigators according to the "st. louis post dispatch" and talked to officers on anonymity.

darren wilson chased michael brown on foot, then fired a shot at the teenager while he was running away, that brown stopped, turned around, put his hands up and that the officer killed brown in a barrage of gunfire. cnn has been able to determine through our own investigation that these are two different people and that they tell stories that are very similar. >> what do they say about how it all started? >> the witnesses haven't described the beginning of the encounter, apparently they didn't see it. not the beginning of the encounter or an initial struggle that was said to begin when the shot was fired from officer wilson's gun, the initial shot. the st. louis post dispatch says it still doesn't conclusively answer whether the shooting of michael brown was legally justifiable. >> joining me is general counsel for the st. louis police officers association. back with us our cnn legal analyst sunny hostin and criminal defense attorney mark geragos. what do you make of these two witnesses? >> i think certainly it corroborates a lot of the other

witness testimony that we've heard about from the very beginning. many people were discrediting the other witnesses that also said that michael brown had his hands up, that the officer was chasing michael brown and shooting while chasing. many people said, well those people sort of either knew michael brown or lived in the community perhaps were tainted by hearing things on television. now we hear two other people, two other witnesses that don't have a connection to the community that were just working in the area corroborating those other witnesses. i think this is a game changer. i think it's significant. and again we still, though, haven't heard from officer wilson. and that's really the next step, isn't it? >> do you see this as a game changer? >> no, i don't see it as a game changer. as a former prosecutor these statements complicate some of the former statements. there is certainly some corroboration and you can't ignore that. these men -- i'm assuming they were men -- were known to the

police from the beginning. they're going to compare what's said to certainly what was said to investigators in the very beginning. again none of this, none of this in and of itself means very much at all until we're able to overlay the statements of the witnesses with the forensic information. we need to know the information about where the physical evidence was. i need to know where the shell casings were. i want the forensics from the car. i want information on the bullets. i want to know what's on the gun. i want toxicologist reports. without knowing those things it's hard to understand where this fit in the mix. until we know those things we have to be very careful not to rush to a judgment. >> these witnesses like others say they saw michael brown with his hands raised. does that matter? >> yeah, it does matter. the i don't know that i would call this -- i tend to agree with neil. i don't think it's a game changer. i do think, however, it really puts a lot of pressure on the

way that all of this stuff is coming out. it really puts a lot of pressure on both the grand jury and the department of justice to bring charges in this case because, at a certain point, if you have this narrative that's now being developed, to quote sunny, people inside the community and people outside of the community and now they're successively going public in kind of a drip drip now with the outsiders, you really, i think, are going to have a hard time not bringing charges because of the public pressure. i'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing. but i think at this point the fact that it has kind of expanded the scope of this really makes it more likely than not that charges will be brought. >> the fact that witnesses did not see how this began, how the whole thing started, the altercation with the police car, how it played out, how difficult will this case be if no one

actually witnessed what happened at the car? >> i don't see it as very difficult. again, this is the first time in a very long time that i've seen a case where you don't have one eye witness but two but three but four, by my count it's already seven eyewitnesses that are saying pretty much the same thing, overlapping eyewitness testimony. and we have people like mark and neil saying, well, i've got the hear more of this story. we don't really know what happened. if it look like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. the suggestion that somehow we don't know all the pieces and that all of these people must have seen something -- >> sunny, sunny. >> -- have seen something incorrectly is ludicrous. >> mark, go ahead. >> sunny, you don't want to hear what the officer's statement is? because we don't have the officer's statement other than what the police chief kind of summarized coming out of the gate. so the idea that you're going to say well, it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and not you've seen the officer's

report? that's irresponsible. >> that's not irresponsible. i certainly want to see the officer's report. i've said that from the very beginning. that's the one piece of the story that i think we don't have. >> the one piece? >> they're saying the same thing. >> neil, your comments. >> yes, we still have to look at these statements. sunny's idea that these are all lock step with each other, they're not. as defense lawyers, what we do is we dissect these statements. we take them apart. and we basically break them down as best we can and we let juries make these decisions. now what mark said was right. the grand jury has a lot more difficult problem because it's not a reasonable doubt. it's a probable cause question for a grand jury. but again without everything, without everything, we can sit here and talk about this till tomorrow, but it's not going to answer any questions. >> neil, october was the date we had weeks ago. you still think that's accurate? >> yes, i do. and i think that the information that's being given to police in

the area is that they should be anticipating an october decision. >> appreciate it. mark geragos and sunny hostin as well. just ahead breaking news, a close friend of murdered journalist steven sotloff with striking new details about how he was captured by isis. who basically betrayed him and how the white house has been dealing with the sotloff family. j

more breaking news today. law enforcement officials telling us they may have identified the man behind the mask. officials say they believe he's a british citizen who is tied to extremists in london. this time they're declining to name him. in a speech on wednesday president obama's going to outline his plans to defeat isis. outrage over the beheadings is fueling calls for a strong response from the white house. many feel that president obama has not done enough including barak barfi who was a friend of steven sotloff. and a spokesperson for the sotloff family. i spoke to him earlier. we'll give you the interview again. thank you for being with us. i'll sorry for your loss and the loss of everybody in the sotloff family. first of all,

what do you mean people to know about steven? just looking at his career, the amount of time he spent in very dangerous areas, you know, dedicating and risking his life to tell the stories of peoples whose voices often weren't heard. that's what struck me. >> steve loved the arab and islamic world. he wanted to bring their suffering to the world stage. he believed that everybody was created equal and the people in the arab and islamic world weren't terrorists, they were just people like you and me who wanted to live, who wanted to give their kids a good education and possibly travel to europe when they had the time and money. >> you spoke to him shortly before he was taken. >> i was with steve the morning he was kidnapped. i saw him off at about 7:30. minutes before he was kidnapped he called me from inside syria to tell me he was in, then minutes later he was kidnapped by isis. >> he knew the risks and yet he did it -- he repeatedly went out to tell people's stories. >> for the first time we can say that steven was sold at the border. his name was on the list that he had been responsible for the

bombing of a hospital. this was false. activists spread his name around. >> he was sold at the border? >> yes. we believe that the so-called moderate rebels that people want our administration to support, one of them sold him probably for something between 25 and $50,000 to isis. and that was the reason that he was captured. >> how do you know this? >> we know this from our sources on the ground. it happened so quickly that when he was kidnapped, they didn't have the time to mobilize those resources. somebody at the border crossing made a phone call to isis and they set up a fake checkpoint with many people and steve and his people that he went in with could not escape. >> when you've heard the administration's response to all of this, what do you make of it from your vantage point? >> the administration has made a number of inaccurate statements. they've said that the families have been consistently and regularly informed. that is not true. i speak now only from the sotloff family. i can't speak for the other families. they said that these hostages were moved frequently. we know that most of the

beginning of this year they were stationary. we know that the intelligence community and the white house are enmeshed in a larger game of bureaucratic infighting and jim and steve are pawns in that game. and that's not fair. if there continues to be leaks, the sotloff family will have to speak out to set the record straight. >> what do you mean that they were pawns? can you say more? >> well, i'll just give you one example. people now are talking about the torture that some of these hostages suffered. people talked about specifically some of the tortures that jim suffered. and that's just not fair to his family. they need time to heal. there was an article last week in "the wall street journal" basically revealing some of the details of the raid, the pentagon, the intelligence community were pushing back against the white house and saying it was their fault, that they didn't provide the surveillance necessary to find the hostages. >> do you feel -- but you're saying that if the administration continues to say things which you believe are not true and the sotloff family says are not true that what, the

sotloff family will have more information to say? >> anderson, the relationship between the administration and the sotloff family was very strained. >> strained? >> yes. we do not believe they gave us the cooperation we need. the sotloffs, once steve appeared in that video, the sotloff family made one simple request of the administration and they were rebuffed on that. >> can you say what the request was? >> i can't say that because i have to think about protecting the other hostages inside. >> the white house has put out a statement. i just want to read that to you. they say we understand the very real pain the sotloff family is feeling at this time. our thoughts and prayers are with them as they grieve steven's loss. they go on to say. we condemn the murders of steven and jim foley and we remain committed to bringing the perpetrators of these crimes to justice. do you have any response that? >> when your view into the largest and most powerful government in the world is two fbi agents, that's simply not enough. for 80% of the interaction with the government, they not enough. the administration could have done more, they could have helped us, they could have seen

them through. these are people of modest means. they're not cosmopolitan, they don't have college educations, they don't understand the large ramifications in foreign policy. i don't believe they were afforded the opportunities of respect they should have been afforded by this administration. >> i appreciate you being on barak barfi. and i appreciate, again, given the sensitivity of this, there are other hostages being held. i know that weighs heavily on you and the sotloff family. my condolences to you and the sotlof family. a former boston man wanted for the fbi and has possible ties to isis went to a cambridge mosque that's also attracted seven other terrorists.

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new cnn poll shows that 71% of people believe there are isis terrorists currently in the xwrits. right now the fbi is looking for a former resident of boston who may have been involved with the social media wing of isis. all have ties to the same place in cambridge. deborah feyerick reports. >> reporter: the mosque on prospect street is not only cambridge's mosque it's the city's only mosque. immigrant, students and families from surrounding neighborhoods stop by to pray up to five times a day as islam requires. it is open to everyone. and attracts all kinds. including at least eight extremists and recently convicted terrorists. one now under investigation for ties to isis.

mosque spokeswoman confirms they attended saying none, quote, ever exhibited any hint of criminal or violent behavior adding, quote, the islamic society of boston unequivocally condemns isis, yet over two decades the numbers are too large to ignore. >> at some stage we have to accept reality, which is a number of people who have taken up arms against americans either here in boston or abroad with isis have an affiliation with that mosque. >> reporter: they include the alleged marathon bombers tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev. and now a university of massachusetts computer graduate wanted for possible ties to

isis' social media wing. the mosque doesn't check i.d.s. and rather than a core membership, attendance is much more fluid. that makes identifying the outl outliers much more difficult. she said if we ever observed any criminal or violent behavior we would immediately intervene and notify the authorityies. however the degree of extremism in a handful of people is alarming. >> the mosque is and ought to be subject of scrutiny because there's just too many factors involved now. >> this woman was found carrying bomb making documents for a mass casualty chemical and biological weapons attack against targets like the statue of liberty and brooklyn bridge. boss on the pharmaceutical student was found guilty of plotting an attack on a local shopping mall. and boston high school wrestler,

dzhokhar tsarnaev will stand trial for his alleged role in the marathon attack, he prayed at the mosque as did his brother tamerlan. and two friends one accused of murder and the other obstruction of justice. it says that those engaged in terrorism have little to do with the cambridge community. deborah feyerick, cnn, new york. joining me are cnn national security analyst fran townsend and former fbi and cia senior official phillip mudd. it's interest in deborah's piece, a lot of these people seem to be self-motivated or lone wolves. there's been so much focus in the last couple of weeks about the idea of isis sending people over into the united states, but it seems like the bigger danger at least in the short-term is just people who are are ideologically motivated who maybe want to say they're part of isis but they're already here. >> no question, anderson, both

are issues. but you're right in the near term, that's part of the purpose of these horrible beheading videos that get out, that someone who is an english speaker. that is part of it. part of it is the recruitment and the inspiration that these provide. we saw the american preacher in yemen who is now dead. his ser mons were widely dribted and often used -- they were cited by the fort hood shooter. >> nidal hasan tried to make contact with them. >> that's exactly right. >> you and i talked about this before. the state department officials were telling cnn the obama administration is less concerned about a potential attack by isis in the u.s. than it is about the unknown affiliated actor that wants to do something. i'd be worried about both. you can't have 100 americans go over who are affiliated with isis. canadians are talking about 100

canadians, 500 hub brit hu00 br. i'd be worried about those who are already identified with isis. but those who are, in my life of following this, is unprecedented. yeah i'd worry about the people like nidal hasan. but the people out in country who already have a passport, that's a real concern. >> do you believe, fran, that those people are -- i mean, is there any evidence that those people are being trained for international terror attacks whether on american targets or back home in the united states? because it seems like a number of them have actually been killed in battle which seems to indicate they're actually being used in battle in syria and elsewhere? >> that's right. and some will be killed on the battlefield. even if you take half of them off the field because they're killed or wounded in battle, you still have large numbers. you mentioned the 500 brits, 700 french. all these people come in without

visas, they're able to travel in the united states. they have battlefield experience. they've been hardened by battle. they have battlefield training. so they bring that with them to be able to put together an attack inside the united states. and it's very difficult to track them if they're traveling on false documents, you may not actually know even if you can identify some and most officials will tell you the estimate of 100 americans going over is probably a conservative estimate. it's very hard to track them when they're on false documents. >> you followed people like this. how much street cred does somebody get for having fought with isis who then comes back and recruits their friends or reaching out to a couple friends and says, you know, look, i experienced this in isis, let's bring this here to the homefront? >> a terrific amount. that person's going to come back with photographs of them on the batt battlefield and might come back with videos.

they have instant credibility. not within a larger environment, typically in my experience, not within a mosque, but people who break off from the general community you have to worry about. three or four kids who say, hey, everybody is talking about atrocities against women and children in a place like iraq. nobody's doing anything. going separate room and plant something. one more thing, anderson, the thing i worry about most in these circumstances is not the street cred. it's the operational capability they might bring back. not just to build an explosive device. but for example, how do you practice good communication security techniques so the fbi can't hear you? when those guys came back and we tried to watch them, that's a real problem because they're touching people overseas who can provide training on things like operational security that you can't get off the internet. >> somebody who goes to syria is actually learning, you know, trade craft? >> a few of them will. i think fran's right. if you understand the psychology of these folks, most of them aren't thinking about beheadings.

they're very simple. they want to go out and join a broader movement. some of them aren't involved in their local communities. going to persuade them to engage in a suicide bombing in the united states is a bridge too far. a lot of them are simply going over to fight in syria and they're going to die on the battlefield. i'd say far more than 50%. pu but there's a sliver, and i'd say this is why the president's speaking. there's a sliver who will be trained to do the same thing, for example, al qaeda fratraine few guys to do in london in 2005, to come home and attack here. >> appreciate it. fran townsend as well. welcome piece of good news from britain's royal family. another heir to the throne on the way. william and kate are expecting. details ahead. ♪ [music]

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tonight britain's royal family has good reason to celebrate. prince williams and his wife, catherine, are expecting their second child. william and kate shared the news earlier than they planned. cnn's max foster has more on that. >> reporter: there were no signs of a bump, bat kate's most recet appearances. but i'm told she only found out about the pregnancy herself very recently. >> she's feeling okay, thanks. it's been a tricky few days, week or so. obviously we're immensely thrilled. it's great news. early days, but i'm hoping things settle down and she feels better. >> reporter: the duchess

suffered acute morning sickness with prince george, and it struck again with baby number two. she's cancel ted her engagement and doctors are by her side at kenszing-ton palace. she wanted to be open about what was happening, which was why they made the announcement early. she's not yet 12 weeks pregnant. >> continues to grow. and of course with that growing family your prospects of becoming king are reduced, aren't they? >> great. >> reporter: the queen is said to be delighted with the news. my best guess is that the baby is due in april. and only then will we find out if prince george is going to have a little brother or a little sister. max foster, cnn, london. >> we wish them the best. we'll be right back.

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that's it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" hosted by don lem conn and alisyn cam rota starts now. you are looking at downtown new york, where in just three days we're going to mark the anniversary of al qaeda's attacks on september 11th. good evening, everyone. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. >> and i'm alisyn camerota. what incredible pictures you're showing us there, don. tonight america faces a new terror threat, as we know, from isis. more sophisticated