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just who was the intended victim? joining me now, reque

request. simple assault, on march 27th, rice was charged with a grand jury with aggravated assault with felony, but in may,

prosecutors offered a deal that would keep the matter out of court. his record expunged if he stayed out of trouble. many thought the incident was going away. rice and his then wife, appearing at a joint press conference on july 24th, apologizing. the worst, seemingly behind them. then the second video in a firestorm, still raging. miguel marquez, cnn, new york. a lot to talk about, host rachel nichols, who got a text from ray rice. and sunny hostin, and former baltimore all-time leading receiver. >> he just said i'm holding strong for my wife and kid. he said that is all i can do right now. you match that up with janay rice's instagram, defending her

husband, it is a situation we see over and over again with domestic violence and this couple has maintained this was a one-time incident. they both said this is 30 seconds of their life. they have known each other since high school. they have a child together and they decided to get counseling and move forward together, that is basically what runaway was te is basically what runaway was te -- ray said. >> i basically said, as far as people reaching out to me, i want to as a friend, a former teammate, let him know listening i am asking asked questions, i want to ask him truthfully. he said it is hard, because you have been in that locker room with them three or four years and you know what type of person you saw in that locker room. but with the video it kind of changes your perception on you

know, ray as a person. so it was hard to watch. but you know, what he and i talked about today briefly i'm intending to keep that confidential other than just to say you know, i just reached out to him to let him know hey, this is what i'm doing. and i didn't want anyone or him to see it and say well, what is derek doing? why is he talking about me or commenting on this? i felt as a friend i needed to do that. >> jeff, when you hear the commissioner, roger goodell, he said we didn't know what was on the tape. but anybody with brain cells can tell you if you're dragging an unconscious woman out of the vehicle you can get a pretty good idea of what happened inside the elevator. and the fact this video, i understand police may not be releasing it. they have such good security sources i wasn't sure the nfl could get it, but the idea the attorney had the tape and the attorney didn't say to rice's people give us everything you

have on this -- >> well, think of the leverage the nfl had, too, ray rice is coming to them, the attorney is coming to them saying please let us back in, please let ray rice play again. >> it is the most natural thing in the world to say in order to make the judgment you give us all the evidence in this case. so the idea that the nfl couldn't get this second video is just preposterous, but equally preposterous what goodell said in that interview, the second video didn't make a big difference, but, it made a huge difference because it was only them that they suspended indefinitely. so his position is incoherent at the very least. >> and his wife, with blaming them for him losing his position with the ravens --

>> of course it is his fault, but with the culture of domestic violence, it is something i prosecuted during my year as a prosecutor. i can't tell you how many times we prosecuted a defendant, she walks in on the day of the trial with the defendant and is supporting her boyfriend or husband or her man. so i think her reaction makes a lot of sense, quite frankly, unfortunately. it is something we see all the time. but it is really sad that the nfl somehow is saying that there is due diligence, that they did their job and asked the prosecutor and the police department. because that is the source that you trust. well, then just get it from the casino. the nfl has a team of investigators who investigate so many of these incidents. i know people -- >> as we say, we're going to have an independent review and

set up an independent review on how we handle this matter that didn't -- >> okay, but don't interview our witnesses or tamper with our witnesses, maybe they did say that but the video was the video. >> exactly -- >> so their position is just ridiculous. >> rachel, goodell is saying -- also he is not saying it is possible for ray rice to play, i mean, suspended indefinitely. he left it open that maybe ray rice is going to come back and play. >> i would expect him to play or at least give him the opportunity to play. we saw michael vick in prison and then come back and play. however horrific the offense is, in this country we don't generally say you can't work the rest of your life. ray rice will sit out at least a year, we'll see if he sits out anymore. the real question, is the league going to change, roger goodell going to change --

>> in your opinion, derek, does ray rice deserve another chance to play in the nfl? >> i think he does, i'm a strong proponent of second chances, to say that okay, after one offense or mistake or whoever -- whatever the case may be, not just in ray rice's situation but any other player i do believe they have a right to be allowed the second chance, now there are things he must do to get a second chance or before the league even hears him at the end of the season. but yes, he does deserve a second chance, now will he get it? we don't know. the commissioner might give him a second chance, are one of 32 teams going to pick him up? we don't know. it all depends, you give him a second chance but the other teams might say hey, we don't want this guy a part of our locker room. >> as much as ray rice's wife

wants to keep it private, and we can understand her position, you don't have a right to privacy on something like that. >> right. you know, one of the phrases that i think really misleads people when it comes to domestic violence is press charges, whether the woman decides to press charges. it is not up to the victim to press charges. domestic violence is a crime against the community. when you rob a bank, it is not up to the bank whether the case is charged. it is a crime that gets charged no matter what. and as sunny said it is often the case that the victim doesn't want to testify. there are some jurisdictions where they will arrest the victim in order to bring them in to testify. that is how serious they take domestic violence. you always hate to see that happen. but this is not just -- she is not the only victim. >> and the idea that ray rice's record can be wiped clean that he just has to go to some counseling basically, and it is

like this thing never happened. >> it is remarkable. and i think what bothers -- has bothered me so much about the way this was handled by the prosecutor's office is that they allowed him to enter into a diversion program. and i -- in new jersey, i made a lot of phone calls. and it is clear to me that most of these cases, domestic violence cases do not qualify for pretrial diversion. they just don't equal. they didn't qualify when i was prosecuting cases. and quite frankly when you look at the law it was clear if there was an actual intent of violence this program is really supposed to err on the side of not including the defendant. so i can only say that i think that this is celebrity justice at work. and i know people are uncomfortable with that. that is what happened. >> also last night you pointed out if it was animal cruelty they wouldn't even be eligible for diversion -- somebody was spinning that reporting with the

description of the wife -- >> the ravens tweeted that she -- >> her role in all of that. >> you cannot provoke your own beating. and they went into that this morning. the associated press played a video by the police department, a longer account of this where they showed her spitting at him. and the idea was that was somehow supposed to justify it. >> rachel nichols, thank you ♪

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private or leads beyond the cameras. ray rice is not the only nfl player who has hit a woman or who faces charges of domestic violence. you don't have to look farther than the playing field on game day. randi kaye has more. >> reporter: july this year, carolina panther facing charges of physically assaulting and threatening to kill his ex-girlfriend. according to the charlotte observer, the woman testified that hardy dragged her room to room by her hair, putting his hands around her throat after a long night of drinking. a judge found him guilty, so where is hardy now? right here, still on the field. he has appealed the verdict and the panthers are reserving judgment. >> these are very serious allegations. at the same time, we also respect the fact that he has

appealed the decision. >> hardy told reporters he hates he has become a distraction for his team. remember this guy? chad ocho cinco, charged with first degree domestic battery. he and his wife were arguing over a receipt she found for a box of condoms. falling the outburst, she ran to a neighbor. >> she has cut on her head. she probably is going to need stitches. >> ocho cinco grabbed his wife, caused a cut on her forehead. he was found guilty for the august 2012 incident. >> what happened was a mistake, that is what happened. a mistake that i continuously apologize for, for the people i have hurt, including my wife. >> the miami dolphins released him the day after the attack,

but that didn't stop him from playing football again. today he plays to the canadian football league, alouettes. and just today, san francisco starter ray mcdonald was arrested for domestic abuse. the report was she started fighting and she received bruises on her neck and arms. the bee reports that his fiancee was ten week's pregnant. >> mcdonald was released on bond. >> can't say too much on it right now. everybody knows the kind of person i am. >> with the case pending the 49ers are talking tough. >> domestic violence is unacceptable. and certainly will not be tolerated. >> for mcdonald, it gives him the benefit of the doubt for now. he is still on the field. randi kaye, cnn report.

i want to return now to the nfl's claim on the news tonight by the league commissioner roger glene goodell, they tried to obtain all the facts they had. a lot of people had a hard time believing that. people are wondering how the league could have seen video of ray rice dragging his fiancee's unconscious body from an elevator and gave out such a mild punishment, even though league officials considered what might have done to her inside the elevator to make her in that condition. the former team executive insider joins us tonight. >> louis, the fact that the nfl commissioner goodell told us they had not seen video, we thought there was a video. we assumed there was, we asked for the video but didn't get it. what do you think of that? you played for the philadelphia eagles, do you buy that? >> you know, you have to take him at face value for what he is saying.

you don't want to start questioning somebody's integrity as far as whether or not they're telling the truth. i say that from my experience, the individual team security departments that i have worked for, some of these guys have been some of the best that there is. i notice that they have had great relationships with both local law enforcements, state law enforcement, with businesses throughout the area i have worked and specific cities. i can assure you these guys would have had this video for the baltimore ravens. in this case they would have had the video of what happened in that elevator. there would not have been any question as to whether or not there was something you know that took place in the elevator that would have caused any gray area. they would have known all the facts. i can assure you that. >> right, i know that hotel in atlantic city. it is so obvious they would have had camera inside the elevator especially once they saw the camera outside the elevator. you think it was then incompetence or willful

negligence? and they didn't want to actually see it because then they would have to take it more seriously? >> yeah, those are the kinds of explanations that you really don't want to believe. you don't want to believe that anyone would really go there. i mean, that is where we're having this discussion. that is why you know, the outrage surrounding this whole issue is what it is because you know that there are probably ways you could wind up obtaining this kind of tape. i know in my experience and the people i know that the tape would have been acquired and you would have been able to take a look at it. and the fact that he is saying that they did request it and they have requested it from multiple different law enforcement branches that couldn't get it, is -- it's just tough, tough to swallow, considering how violent and just how awful the video actually was. >> the first video, i mean, the nfl saw that of rice dragging his fiancee out of the elevator and she is unconscious, what do you make of the fact that that was not enough to merit more

serious action by the nfl and by the ravens? >> well, that is obviously something i've been saying over the past few days, i had a big, big problem with. the question i asked them and have repeatedly asked what did you expect it to look like then, when you eventually did see what happened inside? what did you think led to someone laying in the door of an elevator, lifeless on the floor. i believe her shoes were knocked off just -- and not moving. what do you think led up to that? did you think they were roughhousing in the elevator and somebody actually slipped and fell? you knew it was going to be awful. that should have been enough. in the places that i worked that would have been enough. and for myself, that is it right there. that is case closed as far as what you need to do in this kind of situation, it is zero tolerance, you put your hands on somebody like that, i don't really need any slangs, i don't care what your explanation is,

because this is just something that -- trans ends football, whether or not you're a good player or not. this tra . >> as far as exactly what you feel fair and the correct punishment is, my stance is if you do that one time you're out for me. i think players need to start getting it, that this is a privilege to work here, and it is not a right to be there. you can't act any way you want. i think that people are always going to -- to think people are going to make excuses for you,

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rice. carol has this to say to such people. shut up, shut up, shut up. i never wanted to become the poster child for anything but domestic violence, but my blood is boiling. so when i say shut up, i mean shut up to those who blame the victim, what was your reaction? >> so it is very hard for me to

talk about. i really wasn't surprised because i knew what happened. what i can't believe is that people were so shocked to see it. what did you think happened in the elevator? that she propelled herself into the wall and knocked herself out? he hit her. >> and roger goodell said regarding what happened in the elevator -- >> of course, come on, you know what happened in the elevator, what i heard what janay had to say in her message, when she was blocking her on the ground outside of the elevator. face down on the floor. didn't pull her skirt down, didn't even bend down to say honey, are you all right? that said volumes to me more than the punch -- >> do you believe this is the first time? >> no.

no, because he was not even surprised when she passed out. even when you accidentally hit somebody you love don't you immediately say oh, are you all right? even if you're angry at them but none of that happened. he just stood there and looked at her. there was no shock, there was no surprise, there was no nothing except irritation that he couldn't get her out of that elevator. >> i want to ask you what happened to you and you tell us what you want to say. one of the things -- i have heard that after your boyfriend did this to you, you had friends who basically said to you oh, but he is such a nice guy? >> yeah, well, i'll tell you a little bit of what happened. one day we were in an argument. he took me and he violently -- he dragged me much like ray rice dragged janay, so i could relate to that. when i told some of my friends about this incident they couldn't believe that it happened because he was such a

charming man. charming and handsome and nice. they were our mutual friends, they were not just my friends. and i guess in retrospect i'm not really that surprised they didn't quite believe it. because they liked him. they loved him like a brother. i loved him once. >> looking back on it, does it -- i mean, did you learn from that? obviously, you ultimately left this guy. does it change the way you viewed domestic violence? did you learn? because a lot of people don't seem to absorb the lessons because it is kind of shocking, this person you love has done this to you. >> you know what? oddly, it took years and years for me to realize that a wrong was even done to me. >> really? >> i left and didn't want to be involved in that, too much drama. i was very independent. i didn't want anybody controlling me. but i didn't realize until years later that a crime was committed

against me. i didn't realize that until i was in my 30s. and i can't tell you why. one day i just suddenly sat up and said, you know what? that was just wrong. it wasn't my fault, no matter what he perceived that i did to him. >> and happening to young women in their early 20s, they feel -- they are easy to make -- feel like they played some role in it. >> well, it's your first relationship usually, right? 20 years old, you're immature, you think, oh, this jealous guy, he wants to fight all of these guys that are looking at you. he must really, really love you. you don't really realize that that is normal behavior that if you love someone and someone loves you back you both should be secure enough not to express anger when you're threatened by someone else. >> well, thank you for being on tonight, thank you, carol.

carol costello. if you know somebody who is a victim of domestic violence, please go to cnn, you can find a list of organizations that can give you support. up next, we'll have more on this on "ac360," but up next, the white house pushing back on allegations, and the spokesperson for steven sotloff's family, said that moderate militants sold steven sotloff to isis. if that is true that could certainly complicate things for president obama. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] you change your style.

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some more breaking news tonight, president obama told congressional leaders that he has the authority to carry out his planned offensive against isis in syria and iraq without their authorization, now whether the strategy that he will outline tomorrow night will -- last night on the program, a close friend steven sotloff and appeal spokesperson shared for the first time new details about how they believe the american journalist ended up in the hands of isis militants soon after he arrived in syria. the militants were said to have sold the friend to isis. he criticized the handling of the abduction and said the white house could have done more to save steven sotloff. last night in a statement, the white house said we understand the very real pain the sotloff family is feeling at this time.

our thoughts and prayers are with them as we hunt down the murderers of steven sotloff and james foley. today, the white house discussed the militants being involved in the capture. here is jim sciutto. >> reporter: president obama is preparing to address the nation on his strategy for defeating isis. which will depend in part on supporting moderate syrian rebels, so the allegations first on cnn aired by steven sotloff's friend were alarming. >> for the first time we can say that steven sotloff was sold at the border, we believe these moderate rebels, one of them sold him. >> barak barfi said that a moderate rebel group tipped off the situation, and then they swooped in at the lab

checkpoint. the moderate opposition, syrian opposition officials consulting with sources and activists on the ground also deny the story, however, the white house spokesperson acknowledged that there are lingering questions about who was trustworthy. >> this has been a difficult challenge not just for the united states but for other countries to confront. and that is vetting the individuals who are part -- elements of the syrian situation, to ensure the support that we're providing is going into the hands of the right people. >> reporter: today, the opposition is made up of some 12 different rebel groups, some moderate, some extreme, some in between. the reason that president obama has resisted arming rebels in any significant way. >> there are many groups, but

for the most part we mknow who their leaders are and who wants to implement an islamist government or whether they want secular governments. and we can pick and choose who our allies can be if the united states decides to fight the islamists in syria. >> reporter: to learn just how confusing the situation, they presented an entirely different allegation. the white house is reserving judgment on all of the questions until the fbi completes an investigation. jim sciutto, cnn. washington. i would like to welcome in our national cnn security analyst, fran town sesend. how do you determine how to

handle it? >> well, it involves how when they start to take over territory -- it would bring us -- we would go hiking for miles in the darkness. turned out to be often exaggerated and we were taking serious risks when we would do this. now, there were different armed groups and different armed factions. and as this conflict has gone on it had gotten more and more criminal. there are some groups that have grown more and more hard core. in other conflict zone, anderson, as things deteriorate the business of kidnapping rose and rose because people like me, people like steven sotloff, they become valuable targets that can

be bought and sold. the risk is that you can get grabbed and sold off to an ideological group such as al-qaeda and isis that could then do some of the terrible things that we've seen in these awful videos. that is the nightmare scenario when you go in and out of a conflict zone like syria, which is somewhat similar to what we saw in iraq. >> and to fran's point, the isis groups that kidnap and sell the person to other groups, do you believe that the u.s. knows exactly what happened to steven sotloff at this point? >> i done, anderson, and look for a lot of reasons i think we'll have to press the administration to be more transparent about what they do know. but not now. right? because we know that there are many americans who are kidnapped and who are being held. what you don't want to do is put them at risk. i think there is more questions than we have answers right now.

and it is not clear that frankly the administration has the answers we're looking for. look, it could be that he was sold out by his translator and pass around. i think it is likely he was passed around some of the different groups inside syria, but which ones is not at all clear. we have to be careful not to rush to judgment until we know more. >> ivan, how do you actually vet who you're working with? >> that is really hard, i have heard accounts from other sources that they had relationships with a commander, for example, for the better part of a year. and then the commander suddenly turns on them and then tries to make a few bucks off of somebody who had been a guest. there is also the really frightening scenario of kind of working with someone, an activist who could then sell you out. so my personal situation has been, as the kidnapping got

worse and worse in northern syria i just stopped going. different people than me would go and sometimes there were terrible, terrible results, anderson. >> and your friend last night on the program, obviously, mr. barfi, the family spokesperson said that so-called rebels sold sotloff. the fact that he called them so-called moderate rebels, to you, does that implicate the free market or leave it open? >> you and i don't know what mr. barfi meant by moderate opposition. certainly you and i wouldn't consider al nusra a front. the other thing, anderson, the white house has a whole inter-agency working group. i supervised it when i was in

the white house, lisa monaco, the assistant to the president, supervises it now. it includes the intelligence community, the dod, remember, we know there was an attempted rescue. so the administration clearly knows much more than we know. but they're not willing to say it right now as long as there are additional americans being held. >> fran, i appreciate you being on. ivan watson, as well. coming up, what parents should be looking out for with a new virus sending hundreds of kids to the hospital. we'll be right back of the i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. . et there.

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here is what commissioner goodell said. >> how is it that the nfl couldn't get their hands -- >> one person, we don't seek to get that information from sources that are not credible. >> the question becomes, did the nfl drop the ball or was the nfl willfully ignorant about what was on this tape?

>> well, we certainly didn't know what was on the tape. but we have been very open and honest. two weeks ago, i acknowledged we didn't get this right. that is my responsibility and i'm accountable for that. >> but what changed? i mean, on the first tape she was lying on the floor, did you really see the videotape of ray rice punching her in the face to make this decision? >> no, we certainly didn't. and i will tell you what we saw on the first videotape was troubling to us in and of itself. what we saw yesterday was extremely clear and extremely graphic and it was sickening. >> it contradicted that statement, the first video was apparently only troubling enough for a two-game suspension, others asked why after having seen him dragging the unconscious woman across the floor, how does he think she got

that way? how did she get unconscious? a lot of people were really asking how badly did the nfl really want the truth? just moments ago, they published a letter from one of the team owners. he writes in part, we didn't do what we should have done. we should have seen it earlier. we should have pursued our own investigation more strongly, we didn't and we were wrong. joining us now, peter king, editor of the "monday morning quarterback." thank you so much for being with us, peter. >> hello, anderson. >> what do you make of the statement of roger goodell that the nfl had not seen it, they asked for it but didn't get it. >> i make it like most people make. that i think the nfl should have worked -- they need to hire an

outside source and they need to give him full power to investigate a story. when there is something as potentially explosive as this, you can't leave it to chance, well, we tried to get the video but could not get it. in today's world you know that outlets like tmz are going to double down and try to do everything they can to get a video like this. so you need to start playing that game. the nfl needs to start playing the information along with places like tmz. >> well, also, if they had really wanted to get that video. they had enough leverage over ray rice and his attorney. i mean, if ray rice and his attorney had the video couldn't they just have said to ray rice and his attorney, you know, let us see the video. >> i think reading between the

lines of ray rice and his attorney, if you're ray rice's attorney, and the attorney would have probably said knowing the contents of the video, he would have said we're not going to show it to you, we don't have to and we're not going to do it. because i think if roger goodell had seen the video at the time, knowing what we now know, if he had seen the video at the time and object given him two games i think there is a good chance that you know he would have been you know -- extremely scrutinized by his own owners. >> and can goodell survive this? there is no indication he is going to appoint an independent investigation on how to handle this, to correct the problem. do you think he will survive it? >> i think he will survive it, anderson. you have to understand this. i think the powerful owners in the league realize that roger

goodell has been in the league for eight years. and during that course of time he has been asked to keep labor peace with the union. well, in 2011, they got a contract with the players through 2020. so that is a home run. every time he goes to the bargaining table with the television networks, he hits not a home run but a grand slam. >> so he is popular -- >> i think he is popular with the owners because he is enriching all of them. >> sure, he is popular because he is making the owners rich. but that is not how they advertise the nfl. the nfl advertises they said as part of america, i mean, shouldn't we expect more from the commissioner than just lining the pockets of the billionaires who are already rich? >> no question about it. i think there are owners who will have hard questions. they want to know from roger goodell, what did you know and when did you know it? did you ever see that tape?

and i think that some owners have asked him that directly. and he is going to have to convince them. but i believe he will be able to convince them and i don't think his job is in danger as of how. >> and rachel, you were talking about it as you were leaving. there were other players playing right now who have been convicted, well, one of them is appealing the conviction, he is still allowed to play. there is no video of him allegedly dragging his wife room to room, but that is what he has been convicted of. >> i would love to see all of this collective outrage being thrown out right now at ray rice, who is suspended. as far as the nfl is concerned right now. thrown at the process that is allowing greg hardy of the carolina panthers to play in the nfl. there was no video of what hardy did, but i want everybody to imagine the video of this. court documents. he threatened loudly to kill her, explaining to her that the assault weapons and handguns

that he had spread out on a couch were all loaded. then threw her onto that couch, landing on those weapons and told her several times she was going to die. she then later had to get medical treatment, of course, press charges. he was convicted. discharged but convicted. he is now appealing for a jury trial. >> and they're therefore giving him the video of the doubt. >> imagine there was a camera there, how are we not outraged, there didn't have to be a videotape for the nfl to act. tmz doesn't put the video on line? ray rice is still with the ravens, tmz doesn't expose some of the stuff they exposed earlier in the summer. the nfl should not be led by tmz, that is an outrage. >> does the nfl really take domestic abuse seriously? because there is another case of another player who was been suspended for a year. >> today, anderson, we had one

-- basically brought in a couple of weeks ago by the nfl. a woman named esta solar, we had her write an op-ed piece, saying i was courage encouraged by wha did, but troubled by the fact the nfl has not stepped forward and answered all the questions at the first 36 hours of it. the officials had not stepped forward. i think what was such a good story two weeks ago is being tempered now into you have to prove it to us. that you care about domestic violence. >> but they're not doing it. >> and tonight, he leaves open the very real possibility -- >> i think -- ray rice on the

second chance, just think of this, anderson, even though there was no videotape, michael vick spent 19 months in leavenworth penitentiary, i mean, he stayed in some of the toughest conditions in the united states. and was totally, i think everybody who is saying now oh, this is the worst thing they have seen with the nfl player just think back to 2007 -- >> there was a player who tweeted, a former player tweeted, do you think he would be allowed to play in the nfl? >> you're saying -- i think you always get in trouble when you say what if this happened to your daughter? well, of course, you're going to be outraged and want to punch the guy in the nose. but what i'm saying is in general, america is a redemptie'

society. and to me, i would be surprised if in two years from now they think ray rice can help him -- >> it is not a redemptive society -- >> whether ray rice plays in a year or not -- whether ray rice plays in a year or not is not the big picture problem. come on, the big picture problem is domestic violence in the country and the way domestic violence is treated. and whether or not he gets a second chance, remember, if roger goodell in the first place suspended him for a year which is where most people think this will end up being he will be hailed as levying the worst punishment in nfl history. whether or not ray rice plays in a year or two -- look at the message they're sending to the young men in the country.

>> good to have you on, jeff will stick around, also a quick reminder set your dvr, you can watch "ac360" when you want. coming up next, what comes up shockingly enough on domestic violence after the rich and famous face charges. get 4 lines for just a hundred bucks a month. with unlimited talk, text and now up to ten gigabytes of 4g lte data. no overages no contracts we'll even buy you out of yours. so make the switch today. do you have something for pain? i have bayer aspirin. i'm not having a heart attack, it's my back. i mean bayer back & body. it works great for pain. bayer back & body provides effective relief for your tough pain. better? yeah...thanks for the tip!

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breaking news tonight, we should under score this is all part of a pattern, video from inside that atlantic city elevator showed a scene that is neither new to the nfl or celebrities. violence against women, sadly, chronic condition, one tweet, saying the most you can say about the celebrity victimizers, wealth and fame don't start abusers from being abusers.

find the defendant, o.j. simpson, knowing not guilty of e of murder. >> and before the controversial acquittal on murder charges there were allegations o.j. simpson had physically abused his wife, nicole brown simpson. more than apparent signs of trouble heard in repeated 911 calls like this one in 1993. >> you get someone over here now, he is back. please? >> okay, what does he look like? >> he is o.j. simpson, i think you know his record. >> okay, just stay on the line. >> i don't want to stay on the line. >> domestic abuse victims now had a public face. post-symptom abusers, there seemed to be a will. actor charlie sheen pled no contest to a charge he attacked his girlfriend in 1996. then in 2010, he pled guilty to assault after he held a knife to

his girlfriend. then, there was the case of mel gibson. >> all right! how do you like that? >> in a recording, gibson -- >> twice in the face -- >> you know what. you -- you going to answer one day. >> he pled no contest to a battery charge. some public figures who have admitted to domestic violence have gone on to have successful careers. chris brown was sentenced to community labor after pleading guilty to assaulting then girlfriend and superstar rihanna in 2009, later, the two reconciled. rihanna even featured brown on her album and continued an on again/off again relationship. >> there can be a lot of reasons why a person might choose to stay with someone who is abusive to them.

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diversion. fuller says he looks farther to address the concerns. >> cnn, atlanta. also, criminal defense attorney mark geragos, who represents chris brown as well as mike tyson. this story really upset you, particularly the judge that said it should be resolved in the family n family. >> precisely, that is exactly how we look at this type situation, a family matter, when you beat the hell out of anyone, whether it is a wife, a family member, that is a law enforcement matter and shouldn't

be addressed. if mrs. fuller wants to stay married to her husband it is the business. but when he starts assaulting her it is the government's business. he got precisely the slap on the wrist if you can even call it that, the diversion into one of these mickey mouse programs -- >> and it will be wiped clean. >> and he still wants to be a federal judge. >> the idea that this guy is going to be on the bench ruling over other cases, you obviously have experience with this with mike tyson and chris brown, does the court system in your opinion take a hard enough line with the domestic violence cases? >> well, look, the problem with domestic violence cases is, usually as you have seen with the ray rice matter, the -- women end up recanting almost immedia immediately. in ray rice's case, they marry him and then come out and

recant. and that is what always happens. i'm with jeff, i understand jeff's thing which is how unbelievable it is that some federal judge is out there judging people, you know, slamming defendants left and right. but the fact is, what are you going to do? are you going to insinuate yourself into the marriage? are you going to insinuate yourself in the relationship? >> can i answer you? absolutely -- >> why, why? >> because you subpoena these women. you can't assault people in the united states. you can't assault your wife. you can't assault people on the street. and there are prosecutors' offices who know this, mark, they will arrest women and force them to testify because if they don't these women are going to wind up dead. >> what a great solution, jeff. let's take the victim, let's arrest them, let's put them in jail. so that everybody else can feel

really good about it what sense does that make? >> it is not a matter of feeling good about it. it is a matter of enforcing the law against people who are violating it. look, obviously you don't want to arrest -- it doesn't happen -- >> so what is the point of -- but why do you arrest the victim, why do you put the victim in jail just because you want to feel better because it is domestic violence? remember what happens in all of these things. it is -- you know, there is a co-dependent relationship. the woman and ray rice -- she was smacked down and put down to the ground. and guess what? how long did it take -- >> you know, that is her problem. but it is society's problem -- >> why is it we insinuate ourselves into that? >> it is not a matter of insinuating, it is a matter of you enforcing the law, regardless of whether you're married to them or not.

>> well, if you were a prosecutor and god knows i never defend prosecutors, but if the prosecutor says okay, i want to prosecute this case. i've got a video, the woman just got smacked down. she is unconscious. he is dragging her out of the elevator. and two months later she is marrying him. and what am i supposed to do? i'm going to subpoena her and put her on the stand? >> absolutely, absolutely. that is the answer. we got to go. >> that is the dumbest thing i have ever thought of. >> that is what you always think of what i say. >> we'll continue the conversation on twitter, just ahead, obama, backpedaling on his analogy. and a group of terrorist isis. he will address the nation on them tomorrow night.

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tomorrow night, president obama is going to speak to the nation about the situation with isis, right now, something given

a lot of attention, a sports analogy, back in january, president obama gave an interview to dave remnick with "the new yorker." during the interview, president obama was asked about the 2012 campaign. he pointed out the flag of al-qaeda was flying in iraq and several factions in syria, to have the president responded quote, the analogy that we use, if a laker puts on a uniform that doesn't make them kobe bryant. in response to last week, the president said the jv comment was not a reference to isis. >> long way, long way from when you described them as a jv team. was that bad intelligence or misjudgment? >> keep in mind, i was not specifically referring to isol, i have said that regionally there were a whole series of organizations that were focused primarily locally.

>> the white house press secretary said essentially the same thing three weeks act. >> so the president was not singling out isol, he was talking about the very different threat. >> clearly, the president was not singling out isis, but keep in mind isis was certainly one of the groups that david remnick was asking about, and the analogy, when asked, you followed up saying the jv team has taken over fallujah. >> looking back, it seems yes he was referring to, specifically fallujah, that is who it was, so he is specifically informed. even though the use of al-qaeda was kind of the umbrella term in that interview, in that

exchange, even the dialogue at that point, i think this denial is putting spin on the ball. in many ways the president deserves credit on foreign policies in ways we can discuss. but i thought this piece of language, and his communication in general on foreign policy in recent months has been rather, surprisingly lax and out of key and quite frankly i think this speech tomorrow night, i think he

president himself has not -- all in one place, in a convincing, deep way, made the case that one

expects him to make tomorrow nig night. it is not just mission creek, we've gone now from sending in advisers to well now we have to do airstrikes in order to protect the advisers, in order to protect kurdistan. >> there was truth in that terrible moment of president obama's appearance at the end of his vacation, the tan-suited moment when he said we don't have a strategy yet. it was one of those kind of freudian giveaway moments. they then rushed out and spun it to say we don't have a strategy as far as the syrian part, as

opposed to the iraqi part. it gave you indication there was no coherent strategy yet. it is better to be deliberative about these things than to rush into war, so our experience was in 2002 and 2003. >> it is also interesting for a president who campaigned on and getting u.s. troops out of iraq, ending the war in afghanistan, to now be in this position where he is doing it in the way he likes to try to do things in forming a coalition. but basically you have the united states leading the way on what will likely be an expanded bombing campaign in the middle east. >> quite likely, and it is certainly not what barack obama thought he was becoming president to be. but he is president in the real world. >> thank you very much. >> just ahead, young canadians answering the call of isis, joining the ranks, fighting, dying, drew griffin joins the ranks where some of the young men worship.

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s a in canada, isis is creating a national security threat. the government estimates 130 canadians have gone to fight for terror groups overseas, almost weekly parents learn their sons are gone and dying for a cause they barely understand. nowhere more prevalent than in calgary. here is drew griffin. >> reporter: the city best known for a booming oil business,

early september snows, and its game way to the canadian rockies is reeling with news two more of its sons have joined forces to fight with the radical islamic group isis. brothers, gregory and collin gordon disappeared in 2012. now through disturbing tweets collin gordon confirms he has taken up jihad as isis fighter. two days after james foley was beheaded collin tweeted out under his new twitter name ibrahim canadi, the video of james foley losing his neck is the perfection of terrorism. how seemingly normal canadian teenagers grow up to become 20-something islamic radical fighters is a question that is becoming a national emergency. even more urgent as they show up like calgary's on youtube videos burning passports and vowing to bring their fight home.

>> this is a message to canada and all the american powers, we are coming, and we will destroy you. >> reporter: canadian police estimate 130 canadians have gone overseas for terrorist activities, 30 to fight in syria. families of local muslim leaders in calgary say five are connected to just this one downtown calgary apartment building with a mosque on the ground floor. it's where a recent convert named damian clairemont began worshipping in 2012 before he too disappeared. >> just normal. just as if he wasn't in syria. >> justin tebow last talked to his childhood friend december 23rd. less than a month later, his former catholic, nova scotia born 22-year-old would be killed on an isis battlefield in syria. >> i would be lying if i said i didn't see it coming. i knew damian.

i knew what he was like. if he was there for reasons he thought true, then there is nothing that could have stopped him. except that. >> reporter: damian clairemont's mother says her son tried to commit suicide the day after his 17th birthday. he was troubled when he began converting to islam in 2007. he began to thrive. the religion grounded him. he said. that changed when he began attending calgary's moderate downtown mosque. damian joined a sheik ecretive r group. five would head to the front lines. four are dead. including this man who burned his canadian passport on youtube. what is most troubling of all t to opposition to radical theology. why these seemingly normal canadian youngsters are fighting as terroristed in foreign lands.

the honest answer from the islamic leaders, is scary. they don't know. >> that is the same thing people say when somebody well-off commits suicide or when somebody, when good people do bad things. they always say. why? they had everything they need. you need to understhaand the mi set. >> right now what you are saying to canada, me and everybody is, we don't know. what is going on. >> this week these community leaders will stage an unprecedented summit in an effort to stop the criminal radicalization of calgary's youth. any solutions will come too late for justin tebow. lifelong friend is dead. and tebow will never know exactly why.

it could be anybody's kid. my friend damian. last person i would expect. it could be anybody. >> drew joins us live from calgary. is there some one in calgary preaching hate radicalizing these guys? that its what is so confounding about this. i said it in the piece. the muslim community is moderate. outgoing, inclusive. they have very strong programs for youth development. and, at that mosque, there is no history of anybody preaching hate, preaching radicalization, or even preaching going to syria and fight. they believe that these guys are self radicalizing, just like they are in the united states. and taking it upon themselves to go there. and the pull, one guy goes over there and says, tweets back, i have seen the tweets. come on it is great. you will love it. they attract other guys. >> not only the young guys are leaving canada. the canadian government is concerned they're going to come

back in some cases. >> yeah, some have come back. canadian public safety department says 80 have come back. they're trying to track them down. keep track of them. they have stronger laws. what they're freeing to do up here, andersen is be much more inclusive. like a softer version if you see something say something. they want people to see something early on, intervene, get these kids turned around before they get caught up in all this message. >> drew, thank you very much. we'll be right back. ter) i'm re. (vo) the transfers. well, that's kid number three. (vo) the co-pilots. all sitting... ...trusting... ...waiting... ...for a safe arrival. introducing the all-new subaru legacy. designed to help the driver in you... ...care for the passenger in them. the subaru legacy. it's not just a sedan. it's a subaru. sweets become salaries. an oven heats up a community

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>> that's it for us. back here tomorrow night at 8:00 and 9:00 eastern with president obama's address to the nation. cnn tonight starts now. good evening. this is cnn tonight. ichl tonight everyone is talking about the aftermath of that caught on tape moment from tmz sports when rain rice knocks out his fiancee with a single punch. >> everybody has an opinion. you may not agree with some of what you hear tonight. all part of a conversation we need to have about domestic violence and what to do about it. >> you will hear from actress, abuse survivor, robin givens. she says former husband boxer mike tyson assaulted her. she joins us exclusively tonight to talk about why women stay and how they can leave. also, the man who says if michael vick can make a come ck