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>> hello, welcoming our viewers in the united states and around the world. isis has released another video showing the murder of, yet, another western hostage. 44-year-old british subject david haines. we are not going to show you the most gruesome parts of what we've seen. but this video does go onto show an isis fighter beheading haines and delivering a stark message to british prime minister.
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>> your even allies of america which continues to strike the muslims of iraq and most recently bombed will own the destruction and claim the role, cameron. we only drag you and your people into another bloody and unwinnable war. >> haines was an aide worker abdukted in marlg of last year. an isis fighter with an apparent british accent threatened he would kill him. saturday, before war came of haines' killing, his family released a statement to us. they have said to isis, we have sent messages to you to which we have not received a reply. news of his death came hours later.
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the murder of david haines is an act of pure evil. we will do ifrg in our power to hunt down these murders and ensure they face justice, hour long it takes. >> the united states strongly condemns the barbaric streetment the united states stand shoulder-to-shoulder tonight with our close friend and ally in greek resolve. the u.s. will work with the u.k. in a broad coalition to bring them to justice.
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a look back at david haines' devoted life. >> he was a father and a husband. but he was also a hostage of isis. captured in march, 2013, working at a syrian refugee camp for french aid group acted. haines had more than a decade of work acts adds an unarmed peace keep herb. his family has declined to comment, but their plight is clear online: his teenage daughter who lives there answers just three questions. what's going to make you happen? my dad being home, she answers. david haines had now become a
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pawn. >> let's go down to nick robertson. he's kov i recalling the latest isis murder from london. nick, a british sublt by any stand aurd has been brutally excuted. there's an expectation to commit british forces, perhaps air strikes to a coalition with the yietsds inside syria. that's something david cameron hasn't been able do do, hasn't been able to win that support yet. there's a potential here that the impact of this is going to have on the people of britain right now, in the morning here, he will hone a cobra meeting. that is a toch-level security meeting.
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>> he looked to be an aide worker. camera is another big crisis and filtered in as well as dealing with this. he has a reverend dumb coming um. this is going to be a huge challenge added in for him right now. >> doubly shocking. another threat against another british subject. but the execution, the masked man is infamous. all we know about hinl is that wemp introduced to him a number of weeks ago.
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how much does anyone noi about him? >> well, the british government has not been able to say that that i have can positively identify him. they weren't about to make the details public. he says they were sharing the invest with their allies. obviously u it's going to become a much more pressing, domestic issue here for him. not just an international issue. how much does this execution contribute to fears that isis will send its fighters back to the u.k. to wreak havoc there.
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>> it's a may jor kompb certain. it's to detain people coming back from southeasterly ya, to take their pass ports away from them for a lichlted period. a peer idea that could be extended. there's a real effort here. stoch them from getting back into the communities. there is a location that is expected with the islamic state that those fighters will come back with the intention and the trailing to perpetrate attacks in main liend britain.
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and in a wra, it's really a precursor for that. americans don't want that possibility. how great is the resis tensz to strong measures, including and up to air strikes in iraq up to and including even more measures on the ground on the people and the authorities in the u.k.
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>> he seems to be more cautious in striving to build support for that now. it does seem likely that the mird of david haines will prance aid him in that. the british people took to the streets in the hundred and thousand. there was huge popular on sigs to that. undoubtly, there would also be a similar expression. >> it's very late there, i'm not sure he's still awake at this hour, but walk us through the next few hours and days. tlm be a security meeting, i
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gather, in the morning. and how kickly will parliament meet to tuk about what the prime minister is going to ask for? >> this is happening at an extraordinary time. and, right now, there is a referendum in scotland on thursday that could see after 3 307 years, scottland break away. that is a huge issue. presents huge challenges for david cameron. opens a pandora's box for the rest of the country. no prime minister would want to have this happen under their watch. that is probably foremost on david cameron's immediate agenda. but, that said, he is having that security meeting a if you would hours from now, sound morning here. no doubt he will be making a statement following that.
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we can expect to see a mr active can advancing of those members he needs to win over from his party to get support for more active intersengs inside syria. but, again, i do have the stress that is this referendum in scot larnd is such a big issue right now. >> i'm going to ask you to stay with us. but we go to baghdad now where it is also the middle of the night. this news will strike a very different note. >> you have a place that has seen more of its tragedy. isis has carried so many atrocities against iraqis. and then a third westerner has been beheaded. how is that news likely to be zefed there? >> as we've seen in the past few
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weeks, jonathan, when we speak to peek here about that executions of jamgs foley and stooemp sought law, peemd would tell you it's an unfortunate wake-up call to the world. they can see the kind of brut brutality that iraqis are subt that they've been living through for a very long time now. a scale of these isis attacks. those videos that have surfaced of the executions of hundreds of recruits here. undreads of shoulders. and now they feel that the world's aid tension is being day verted back to iraq. so they all have this feeling that the threat from isis has been warning about fr some time
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now when iraqi people have been really worried about for a long time. so, really, this feeling of an unfortunate wake-up call. >> i have to ask you ashlt the timing of this. the thirds execution comes after the united states is carried out more than 160 air strikes against isis targets. it makes me wonder if the united states has had any impact on isis at all. >> well, really, sips they started on august 8th, they've been focused and concentrated on the northern part of the country. we have seen, this past week, new air strikes, at least for the first time that we know of, taking place that is mostly
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control controll controlled and was mentioned in that execution video. they've haulted the swift advances that isis has been carrying out since june. iraqi officials are telling you it is not doing enough. yes, it's giving them that really lacking air cover that they do not guilty have to carry out these operations. now, whether they're going to be able to hold this material story after that came of these air strikes is something to be seen. but if you look when these air strikes start it, yes, immaterial did hold the vanszs hooerz in iraq, but, at the same time, herbal shrill one battlefield, really, they were making vam making vanszs over at syria.
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also, around aleppo. so they have served a short term. it is not weakened or really changed anything for isis. it still contains large parts of this country including i rack's second largest city. >> so, now, it is among the u.s. president, the british prime minister, several facts. nato members are engachblged in several kinds of efforts. eel do bhr to train and list and serve a rmed forces on the ground. sere yam forces, iraqi forces, other forces, perhaps, all of which to say that there are going to be fighting other people with isis. but here's another one of my
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questions. inspeakablely brutal people. is there anyone who is as ruth legislation as cold-blooded? i'm being poked. i'm sorry, we're going to nicaragua back in london. you have some news source, what can you telt us? >> well, we now have -- >> i'll just read you. it is by his brother. my name is mike haines, i'm brother to david haines who was recently murdered in cold blood. dad, was like so mf o of us, just another bloke. both childhood was krentserred around our holiday. david was a good brother. and it goes on. this is really talking. his brother here talking about
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hiss looich and how they remember him. his children, an elder daughter and a younger daughter. david was fan tastic. went to d land. he is loved and is missed by all of his family. this is a brutal murder. >> one thing that we haven't really talked about, it's easy to get caught up in the war which is affecting so many people's lives is the life of that one good man, 44-year-old father of two.
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welcome back to our continuing coverage. david cameron is vowing to hunt down the militants who beheaded haines. a short time ago, a video service that shows haines killing the man dressed in black, maybe the same man who showed the beheading of an american during the past few weeks. just a short time ago, his brother, michael, released a letter which says, in part, that david was most alive and enthusiastic in his humanitarian roles. it is the most important element of this whole sad affair he was loved by his family and will be missed terribly. u.s. secretary of state john
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kerry was in cairo lobbying for support. we're joined now by has been g capital to capital arguing anything to bolster every point he was trying to make. is it too soon to ask about what impact it's likely to have? >> well, i think, unfortunately, john, it's going to have a very good impact. it's going to harden people's resolve and show the message that no country is exempt from the brutality that is isis. that is the the message secretary kerry has been delivering up until now. here we are in egypt where u.s. officials tell us that when foreign travelers are traveling through egypt, they're actually stopping to train or give advice to some of the terrorists.
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so that's why he's saying that, you know, this is a threat to egypt. of course, unfortunately, you could also send the mes absage warning about this. isis is holding 49 turks hostage. >> now, from cairo, the secretary of state is to go to an international conference in paris to address the crisis in iraq. what's the point of that? >> well,it's just to get some more clarity nailed down on what's going to be contributing what. i think i'm not really sewer how much clarty we'll have coming out of this conference. then, after you have the
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international general assembly. now, that will praelly be at the top of the agenda. and i think that's where a lot of decisions may also be made. so, it is a chance for coalition countries next week in paris to get together and discuss the issue to furtherer discuss how they do contribute. but i think it's another data point of the discussion. >> it feels like the beginning in places like cairo. egypt has faced domestic islamic terrorism for decades. do they feel like the united states is warking up to a problem they have already had to address against the valid vice they've been getting from washington. >> very much so.
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they also think, we've been asking you, you wants us to join your coalition against terror? they feel as if the u.s. kind of woke up after the horribly gruesome videos outside of james foley where they feel that they've been trying to talk to the u.s. for some time about islamic extreme impl. and i think if you look at what's happening in libya right now, if you look at what's happening in sinai right now, this needs to be a whole approach to terrorism as a whole. so countries, obviously, isis is the bigst threat, the most immediate threat. but a lot of nations are saying, listen, if you want our help, we also want to know what is your plan for combatting the whole idea of extremism.
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i wonder dp i could ask you the most basic question. why do they keep doing this? why do they keep executing westerners in a way that seems to infuriate. >> one is they'd like to define themselves as being to war with the united states in the west. they want us to intervene. they want us to send troops. it draws recruits. it makings it look like the united states is fighting islam. number two is a perverted father or mother of islam which they belief that can purify workers, american troops and anyone defined as not poor muslims. that they will have a genuine
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counter fit. presumabl presumably, they want to win. what's astoppable irking, they are right now, and you can add to this list, they're fighting against the government of syria. they're fighting against the ir iraqi military. you seem to be adding to the discussion and they want to fight more and mer. what are they thinking? >> jonathan, they have a very strict interpretation of islam. they're not true muslims. they've fallen away from islam. they can be executed according to their reading of the koran.
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the same way with baghdad. and they're against the curds, even though they're mostly sunni muslims. and certainly, the iranians are looked it. they would like to get rid of all of those people and they want to say pure fie these lands and they'd be able to set up a staple government. you and i know, jonathan, this is going to fail ultimately. but, in the meantime, how much damage can they do? it doesn't look like they're losing any steam. the c.i.a. has upped their numbers.
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this execution will draw people in. even though this british aid worker has just come to help. it's pretty rational to us, but people who are promoting a prime evil form of whatever this is, it makes sense. >> they are killing innocent men, women and children just about every day. and now they've taken the life of another one mpbritish worker at 44, beheaded. we'll be back with more.
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welcome back. isis has released another video showing the murder of yet another western hostage. david haines in a video released hours or go. we are not going to show you the most gruesome parts. but it goes on showing a fighter beheading haines and delivering a stark message to david cameron. >> your allies with america continues to strike the muslims of iraq. it will only accelerate your destruction and claim the role of cameron will only drag you and your people into a another bloody and unwinnable war. >> haines was an a.i.m. worker. isis fighter claimed he would
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kill him if they didn't stop. that video came earlier this month. and amidst all of this scortory haines brother issued a statement of love to his brother. my name is mike haines, i am brother to david haines who was recently murdered in cold blood. david was like so many of us, just another bloke. our chiefld hood wldhood was ce around our family. david and i were brought up to know right from wrong, although we might not with the innocence that we've always chosen right. david was a good brother, there when i needed him and prance when i didn't. he was the life and soul of the party.
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after leaving school, he married his childhood sweethearted and i do pronls he had a wee last bethany. he was exceptionally proud of bethany. there are many accolades in that region. he realized the mule mantarian world was the field he wanted to work in. david entered into it with enthusiasm. david met and married his second wife and they have a four--year-old daughter, athea.
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he was and is loved by all of his family and will be missed terribly. the words of his brother, mike, released 234 a statement just a short time ago. vrjts david cameron released his own message via twit ere. the murder of david haines, he writes is an act of poour evil. my heart goes out to his family. we will do everything in our power to hunt down these murders and ensure they face justice, however long it takes. u.s. president barack obama also released a statement on the killing of david haines. the united states strongly condemned the bar baric murder by the terrorist group, isil. ourhearteds go out to the people of the ewe nighted kingdom. the united states stands shoulder-to-shoulder tonight with our close friend and ally.
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nick robertson is in the british capital. it's the middle of the night there. in the morning, the prime minister will be meeting with his closest advisors. tell us what we can expect? this is called a cobra meeting. it's usually chaired by the prime minister and the situation almost undoubtedly will be chaird by the prime minister. he will have some of the cabinet members with him, as well. he will likely brief more details from what they know.
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he hasn't been able to get support so far. but it does seem that if this does present for him an unfortunate opportunity. but an opportunity, nonetheless, that it does see he's been leading towards himself personally and that is providing stronger, military support inside syria for the united states in tackling isis. how he does that is unclear. it will begin with this meeting. >> in pretty recent brilt tan, you have to go to parliament to get a vote. >> he will. and i don't think that vote is quite clear. it's certainly behind the scenes
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that the party will try to canvas the different mps, if they can get, of course, support. that also is something very much on his agenda and plate at the moment. he's initially attacking isis because there are hundreds of young british men and the concern is that they will come back here, perpetrate attacks here. it is a very real threat and concern at the moment. so this is an opportunity to make some political ground here and take, as he said, a more active role in bringing the people spobsbresponsible to thi justice, which is what he said tonight that he will do.
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>> the british government is vowing that there be justice. the u.s. government has turned its attention to isis in a way it never has before. iraq has been placed in the face of deadly division for years now. >> if you look at the situation here for more than a decade, iraqis have been looking at this and its evolution into this deadly and more brutal enemy here. people here would tell you that for some time, they've created
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the envooirnt that allowed it to gain grounds on this country and gaining the support of the sunni population. and, now, what they're saying is they're living through this. they feel that this is the time to show the threat that isis imposes. they need to see action. and it needs to happen fast. >> there's a lot of politics at play here. but i want to go back to the person that we're talking about, the victim, david haines. nick, correct me if i'm wrong. david haines was not a hos houmd
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name in the united states or ewe nighted king domg. did they try to make more captivity? did they try to turn him into an international hero? >> you know, i think with a lot of these hostages, the better it perhaps can be behind-the-scenes to negotiate with the hostage take eres, isis in this case, and try to win his freedom. and it's certain lif going to work for the french government. some of the french journalists were held in the same cells. so in keeping the names of the out media, trying to work
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quietly without pressure and attention for the situation very much appears to be what the british government was doing clearly when he was parade d hi name became much more well known. the police reached information that they had reached out and said we sent you a message. we haven't heard anything back. are you getting the message? >> so i think you went from a situation where
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brit ish prime minister david cameron is vowing to hunt down the militant who is beheaded david hainz. just hours ago, the man dressed in black may be the same man with the infamous british accent showing the beheading of the james follen over the past few weeks. he's issued a statement of love and hatred. david was like so many of us. just another bloke. he was most alive and enthusiastic. he had his humanitarian roles for the work he went to do in syria is the most important lmt to this whole sad affair. he was and is loved by all, his naply and will be terribly missed. > what intelligence officials fear is another western hostage.
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>> it will be another bitter taste of how brutal this group is and how far they're willing to go to terrorize. another thought that comes to mind is this. there's been focus on killing and beheadings of james holey. there's been an american shot on this presumed killer, this voice that we hear and the face we see in the videos. that british voice. it was shocking enough when it was killing americans. even more shockings being in britain killing a brit. taking aim at what presummablely is his own country. in such a visible and brutal way. it's just a sad event to watch.
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they were bracing themselves for this. so, sadly, this is something they were expecting. >> how do you fight an enemy that revels in its own atrocities? we'll talk too a military ann list when we come back.
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welcome back. an innocent man dies savagely in the desert. where does the beheading of
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david haines leave efforts to put together a coalition to fight isis? cnn military analyst colonel frink francona. thank you for being with us. i'm sorry about the circumstances. and i have to ask you if the utter brutality that isis keeps demonstrate is going to pressure the administration, which has been moving, to move faster, to move stronger, to do more. >> i think you're right. i think it's going to galvanize public opinion in the united states and probably in great britain as well. i think we're going to see an advancement of the timetable because there are other hostages at stake here. for some time now we've been looking at this as two separate operations. there's going after isis in iraq and then later we would go after isis in syria. and i think we're coming to the realization that this is really one target set and we have to attack it simultaneously. so whereas i thought we were going to put off air strikes in syria to a later date i think
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we're going to see this sooner rather than later. because many of us believe this is all happening in syria. isis regards that they have some semblance of safety in syria. they regard that border as a hindrance for us. although they don't recognize that border, i'm assuming that pretty soon washington, london, and some of the other members of the coalition are going to say why should we recognize that border. so i think you're right, we may see an advancement of the timetable. >> you're talking about air strikes. everyone seems to be talking about air strikes. the president keeps saying that there will be no combat forces on the ground. but let me ask you to be very clear and help us because there are uniformed u.s. military personnel in iraq right now. they are on the ground. who is there? what are they doing? and what are the chances that their numbers and their mission could change? >> yeah, this is a semantics game, john. what they're doing they're saying, well, these troops are there to advise, they're there to train, they're there to assess, but they're not there to fight. but if you're going to put u.s. forces on the ground anywhere in that country, and american
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forces, allied forces, coalition forces are bombing, then there's a combat situation there and you can't escape it. so i think this is just a semantic game that the administration is playing, more troops are going in and pretty soon that will he expand. the problem will be if the iraqi army and peshmerga are not capable of turning back ice nis iraq. we've stopped the momentum with air power and those forces on the ground, but so far they've been unable to roll back isis. they've tried several times. look at the stalemate we see in tikrit. so at some point you're going to need a more robust ground force, and where is that going to come from? if nobody else is going to pony up their forces that only leaves us to do it. and at some point the president may have to revisit his adamant contention that we're not going to introduce combat forces into iraq. and this is a political nightmare for the president. >> how long does he have to make that decision? >> well, the timeline is getting
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compressed and compressed. as the secretary of state is traveling around the middle east and the region and to our allies and he's getting a lot of support but he's not getting a lot of commitment to provide the forces that we need. so it looks like this may be an american operation yet again. i think we're coming fast to that realization, and this is going to be a real hard political sell in the united states. >> i want to move away from the politics and just talk about the brute -- the brutality of isis. this is a group that videotapes and broadcasts its own atrocities. it wants the world to know about every war crime it commits against the forces it fights or the innocent civilians that fall into its hands. this is such an utterly different enemy. >> yeah. well, they're masters of psychological warfare. they put out these press releases. they youtube. they video everything they do. and this is just for the western
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audience. they also do the exact same thing in arabic and they put it out on twitter, youtube, facebook. all of the social media. and they broadcast it throughout the arab world. and especially to the areas in which they're trying to expand their zone of control. and it's frightening to the people there. so when they roll into town, the people are already terrified of what's coming next and it really lessens their resistance because they know that any resistance to isis at all means instant and painful death. so it's part of their modus operandi. but we see that in iraq once they're faced with a determined fighting force, u.s. air power, the peshmerga, and the iraqi security forces, they stop. they're not ten feet tall. we're able to turn them back. but we need boots on the ground to do that. now, whose boots is the big question. we'll see who that is. >> cnn military analyst colonel rick francona. thanks so much for talking with
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us. >> sure. in the moments we have left in this hour we return to the victim, to david haines. 44-year-old father. a man who devoted the best years of his life to helping people in strange and distant countries. here's what his brother had to say in a final statement released to the press just a short time ago. "my name is mike haines. i am brother to david haines, who was recently murdered in cold blood. david was like so many of us, just another bloke. born in 1970 to parents who loved us both. our childhood was centered around our family. holidays and caravans and tents. days away as a family, which we remember fondly. david and i were brought up to know right from wrong, although we might not with the innocence of youth always chosen right. david was a good brother. he was there when i needed him and absent when i didn't. i hope that he felt the same way about me. he was in the right mood the life and soul of the party, and on other times the most stubborn, irritating pain in the ass. he would probably say the same
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about me. after leaving school he worked with the royal mail before joining the r.a.f. as an aircraft engineer. he married his childhood sweetheart, louise, and in the due process of time had wee lass bethany. he was and no doubt wherever he is exceptionally browed of bethany. david served with the u.n. in the balkans, helping people in real need. there are many accolades from people in that region that david helped. he helped whoever needed help, regardless of race, creed, or religion. during this time david began to decide that humanitarian work was the field he wanted to work in. david left the r.a.f. and was employed by scott rail. as with every job david entered into it with enthusiasm. david met and married his second wife, dragana, and they have a 4-year-old daughter athea. david was most alive and enthusiastic in his humanitarian roles. his joy and anticipation for the work he went to do in syria is for myself and family the most important element of this whole sad affair. he was and is loved by all his family and will be missed
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terribly." mike haines. writing about his brother david. dead at age 44, the latest victim of an isis execution. our extensive coverage will continue after this.
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