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this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world, to our continuing breaking news coverage here on cnn. i'm george howell. an aide worker who has become the third westerner to be executed by the terror group isis. on saturday, isis released this gruesome video showing the death of david hanes. we're not going to show you this video. most of it just too disturbing. but it goes on to show a mass excuser decapitating the 44-year-old british citizen with a knife. his killer warned that more executions will happen if the united states continues its air strikes against isis targets in iraq. british prime minister david cameron reacted swiftly to the
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killing. mr. cameron rushed back to number 10 downing street early sunday for an emergency meeting on this situation. earlier he released this message on twitter. quote, the murder of david haines is an act of pure evil. my heart goes out to his family who have shown extraordinary courage and fortitude, and we will do everything in our power to hunt down these murderers and ensure they face justice, however long it takes. right now the british prime minister is meeting with his top security officials to figure out exactly what steps to take. cnn's atika shubert is in london. she joins us live with the very latest about this meeting. have you heard any new details about this happening? >> no, it should be starting just about now, actually. and he'll be briefed, of course, by his security chiefs on the situation there. they'll have scoured through that video, and i'm sure are analyzing it right now. specifically also, of course, that british militant in the
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video, who he is and is there any way to identify him. in the meantime, the family of david haines has put out a statement, talking about their grief, how he was really an ordinary bloke, in the words of his brother, and that he was at his best when he was working in humanitarian aid, specifically with syrian refugees. his family has been suffering with this knowledge for about a year now. but they didn't say anything for fear that it would endanger his life. and just a few hours before that video was released, they actually made a public appeal to isis to communicate with them, that they had been trying to reach them but had no response. >> reporter: david haines was a father and a husband, but he was also a hostage of isis. the islamic state in iraq and syria. captured in march 2013, working at a syrian refugee camp for
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french aid group. he had more than a decade of experience doing aid work, providing logistics and working as an unarmed peacekeeper. he grew up in scotland, proudly wearing a kilt for his wedding. his wife waits with their 4-year-old daughter in croatia where they live. his teenage daughter from his first marriage makes it clear online how much she misses her father by answering just three questions. what's missing in your life that would make you very happy? my dad being at home, she answers. as his family waited, david haines had become a pawn in the game of hostages now played by isis. now, we are hoping to hear from prime minister cameron as soon as he is finished with that emergency cabinet meeting. we do expect a statement. one of the things he'll be talking about, of course, is how they're going to react. will they be joining in with more military force in this coalition against isis? >> thank you so much for your reporting, atika. david haines' brother issued
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a statement on behalf of the family. i want to read you more of what it says. david was like so many of us, just another bloke. david served with the u.n. in the balkans, helping people in real need. there are many accolades from people in that region. david helped. he helped whoever needed help regardless of race, creed or religion. david was most alive and enthusiastic in his humanitarian roles. his joy and anticipation for the work he went to do in syria is for myself and family the most important element of this whole sad affair. he was and is loved by all his family and will be missed terribly. u.s. president barack obama also released the following statement on the killing of david haines. he said, quote, the united states strongly condemns the barbaric murder of uk citizen david haines by isil. our hearts go out to the family
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of mr. haines and to the people of the united kingdom, the united states stands shoulder to shoulder tonight with our close friend and ally in grief and resolve. the president also vowed that the u.s. will work with the uk and a broad coalition to bring haines' killers to justify and to destroy the threat of isis. australian prime minister tony abbott is echoing mr. obama's condemnation of david haines' execution. he made a statement just a few hours ago. listen. >> the beheading of a british aid worker is further demonstration that this particular terrorist group does not just do evil but exalts in doing evil. >> australia is deploying up to ten aircraft to the uae to join in the fight against isis. its response to a u.s. request to contribute to an international coalition. our becky anderson is live at
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cnn abu daub bhabi with more on as well as the regional threat from isis. >> reporter: and george, this is abu dhabi, of course, in the uae. and i'll get some flesh on the bones of what abbott's been saying for you here. eight super hornet aircraft, one early warning and control aircraft and one aerial refueling aircraft make up the deployment of the assets by the australians to the uae here. 400 personnel to support the air deployment. and 200 military officers including a special forces contingent coming to the uae. now, what do we know about the deployment of those assets into either iraq or syria? well, very little at the moment. but what mr. abbott is saying that there is an intent to deploy. and he's calling this prudent action ahead of any decision to actually use these forces. clearly the australians getting on board with this coalition of
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the willing and using one of the regional hubs here at least for deployment of his assets in order to help the fight against isis going forward. he also said that there will be no australian boots on the ground. and interestingly, he said this was an open-ended commitment. he said that it would be months rather than weeks. he says our contribution will continue to be monitored continuously. so that is the australian story into the uae. there are a number of bases here in this country. where these forces are coming into, well, we're going to do a bit more digging on that for you. the uae itself, well, it's got some previous history so far as regional coalitions are concerned. the most detailed statement we've had today from the uae was from the ambassador to the united states in an op-ed to one of the u.s. newspapers last week. and he said, and i quote, the uae is ready to join a coordinated international
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response to combat islamist extremists in iraq and in syria. this is the ambassador to washington from the uae. he did go on to say this. and i think this is important, george. he said the islamic state may be the most obvious and dominant threat at present, but it is far from the only one. and he said an international response must confront dangerous islamic extremists across the region, including libya. a big problem and a big story to the regional partners here. so we've got john kerry in paris having been in jeddah, iraq and amman, jordan before that. we at least have some confirmation now from the australians as to how they'll use this region specifically in their attempts to combat this group. george? >> you mentioned in your reporting this coalition of the willing, a coalition that has been hard to come by, in fact,
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by many accounts. what more can you tell us about this group, the group -- the countries involved? >> reporter: yeah. yeah. okay. well, as far as the uae is concerned, it has some previous form. it was operational in 2011 over libya, for example, and it's been operational in extending its reach, for example, field hospitals in the past. we are trying to gather more information as to just how the uae would be involved. but let's have a look firstly of a map of what we know to date. the u.s. effort to build an international coalition to fight isis at present. nearly 40 nations have signed on to provide humanitarian, military and other assistance for the iraqis. and if we have a look at this map, you've got those highlighted in yellow. the coalition including european allies you've got there as well as asian-pacific countries including australia. we've got more information on that now, japan and south korea and a number of other arab nations including saudi, qatar,
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kuwait and jordan. let me just go through some of what i think is important here. the saudis have already said on record that they'd be involved in training and providing military assistance to what they call these syrian moderates. and this is really important because any air force actions conducted by the likes of australia, the u.s., maybe even the uk now, you've seen the execution, the beheading of this british journalist overnight. you can conceivably see more action from the uk. and we're waiting on the meeting from david cameron, which is ongoing at present. but you've got the saudis at least involved with the training of the syrian moderates, but they want to assume to be part of the ground force covered by any u.s. air strikes from these coalition partners. and let's consider what you'd have on the ground here, peshmergas, iraqi government forces and possibly the syrian moderates. but who are they? how many of them are there at present? and they are also a force to the
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south and the west of where they are stationed in syria, fighting against the bashar al assad campaign government, of course. and then you've got the elephant in the room, iran, which is supporting the assad campaign. that's a very, very sticky and contentious issue as to how you'd use these syrian moderates. you've got jordan, a key ally to any coalition going forward. it's got a lot of intelligence on this region and money to spend in the fight against isis. and then you've got turkey. well, turkey in the crosshairs of isis, of course, on the border. we've seen -- and we're well aware of fighters going in and out over the turkish border. they could do more to close down that border. but you've got remember the turks have got a real issue here. they've got 49 hostages being held by isis in mosul at present. so very reticent to do anything and sign up to do anything at present which might put those hostages at risk.
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>> it is a very complicated geopolitical situation. becky anderson, we appreciate your insight live at cnn abu dhabi. thank you. still ahead on cnn, a look at the recruitment tactics of isis. >> reporter: the international indoctrination of innocent minds. establishing more and more islamic schools and altering education. >> we will get more on the process of radicalization from an expert in the field and from an islamic militant defector. next. new york state is jump-starting business with startup-ny. an unprecedented program that partners businesses with universities across the state. for better access to talent, cutting edge research, and state of the art facilities. and you pay no taxes for ten years. from biotech in brooklyn, to next gen energy in binghamton, to manufacturing in buffalo... startup-ny has new businesses popping up across the state.
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this story is about a person who has left the movement but has not left its eideology. cnn spoke with an isis defector who gave some insight into the movement and its thought process. arwa damon reports, but we must warn you that some of the images in this story may be disturbing. >> reporter: there is no sign here of the progressive city that raqqa once was, now the seat of power for isis. gruesome crucifixions, public executions for anyone who insults god, lashings for women who are not fully covered. meatings and imprisonment for keeping a store open during prayer time or selling cigarettes. their inhumane brutality is felt
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daily, not just here, but across swaths of syria and iraq, now the so-called islamic state. there is a commission for the prohibition of vice tasked with punishing anyone who violates regulations. this man, a syrian in his 20s, defected from isis in raqqa and still agrees with the ideology of isis. >> translator: the main and principal goal of the islamic state that they tell their new members is to establish an islamic state that will encompass the arab world. and after that, we go to the other countries. >> reporter: raqqa is isis central command, easily taken over by the organization after other fighting groups had already kicked the syrian army out of military bases in the area. isis has now opened a logistics supply line that extends into
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iraq. >> translator: raqqa is close to the border of iraq, and we saw lately that weapons were going back and forth from iraq. >> reporter: already drawing foreign fighters with estimates of several thousand from are western countries. >> we are coming and we will destroy you. >> reporter: heightening concerns across europe with the uk recently raising its threat level from substantial to severe. the defector claims these foreigners could carry out attacks when they go home, but the security measures in those countries make it difficult for now. >> translator: since western fighters joined isis, they consider their home country as infidels. if they have a chance, they will carry out attacks because they think of it as an infidel country, and it should be fought. >> reporter: it is also perhaps why a westerner was chosen to front the horrific beheading. >> translator: it is possible that the goal was to project the image that a european or a
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western person executed an american so that they can showcase their western members and appeal to others outside syria and make them feel that they belong to the same cause and that they, too, can do anything in support of isis in their respective countries. >> reporter: and there is also the internal indoctrination of innocent minds. establishing more and more islamic schools and altering education. >> translator: philosophy is prohibited. they canceled it as a kind of blasphemy. many subjects have been canceled like music and even sometimes sports. all of them have been canceled from the school curriculum. >> reporter: there is fear among the people he admitted, among those who don't subscribe to isis's ideology, but leaving is not a choice isis offers them. arwa damon, cnn, beirut. >> joining us now from london to
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discuss the process of radicalization is peter newman, he is the director of the international center for the study of radicalization and a professor of security studies at kings college in london. peter newman, thank you so much for your time today. first question that i have for you is what is the lure for westerners who see these videos, who see all of this information on social media, why are westerners lured into this group? >> the first group are people who have already been active in extremist networks in their home country and who look at syria and iraq as a finishing school. they're going over there to put into practice what they already believe in. butte they're also people who are drawn into the jihadist orbit by this particular group and this particular conflict. in some cases, it is about adventure, the opportunity to fight, become a hero in their point of view.
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but also about the humanitarian crisis, building the islamic state, building the caliphate, being part of an enormous historical project. it's a mix of things. the foreign fighters are not one monolithic group. and different people are motivated by different things. >> these westerners who join, would you say that they are accepted within the group, or are they used rather as pawns, as suicide bombers? >> isis is very keen to recruit westerners. i believe it wants to accommodate muslims from all over the world and these are muslim lands so they belong to any muslim wherever they are from. but of course, they are also particularly useful to them. a lot of westerners do not speak arab arabic. they do not blend in. they are often the most ideological. as a result of all of that, they are perfect for being used in particularly violent and
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excessive operations that often the local syrians are reluctant to carry out. and that's why you often see foreigners, western foreigners in particular, doing beheadings, doing suicide operation, doing torture. that's what they're particularly good at. >> and quite frankly, looking at isis, comparing it to other terror groups, this is a group that is keenly set in using social media to send its message out and using videos. and as you mentioned, having the executioner, speaking in english, speaking to a western audience, just talk to us, if you could, about the stis indicati sophistication of this group when it comes to using westerners in its terror process. >> well, one of the reasons why isis has been recruiting better than other rebel groups in syria right now and iraq is particularly, is precisely because they've been using european language outreach.
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they were the first ones -- they are the most consistent ones in producing english, french, german language videos, propaganda materials and disseminating them across a wide range of platform, on facebook, on twitter, on ask f.m., on instagram. they also have a really important and influential group of sympathizers in the west who are disseminating these materials further. it is really a complex web. it's not just one person in isis putting the stuff out. it literally is hundreds of people engaging in that process of editing, production and dissemination. it is incredibly hard to combat. >> a lot of people look at this group and are trying to understand this process of radicalizati radicalization. peter neumann, we appreciate your insight from london. thank you. coming up after the break, we take a look at the other headlines that are making news this hour around the world including flooding in india and pakistan. stay with us.
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and tourist visa and demanded asylum. state media reports he was convicted of committing acts of -- hostile acts i should say against the country under the guise of tourism. cnn interviewed miller and two other americans being held in pyongyang two weeks ago. the death toll from monsoon flooding in india and pakistan has risen to more than 500 people. indian officials say they fear that figure could get much higher because bodies have been spotted floating near villages that they say have been washed away. for more on this developing situation, dangerous situation, let's go to meteorologist ivan cabrera at the cnn weather center. ivan, how many people are being affected by this flooding? >> millions of people are being affected by the flooding in some way, shape or form here. as far as the ones that are in peril here, that remains to be seen because the problem is that they're not able to get some of the folks out that need to get out. and then, of course, there's a problem in the north. in the north we're still dealing
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with the waters beginning to recede. but then you have the humanitarian issue of just infectious disease that's going to be a problem with all that standing water. and then you have people that, well, their livelihoods have been wiped out. and so they're waiting for aid to come, and it's not coming soon enough because the entire country here is being impacted by these floods that have occurred in the north and now all of that water continues to head down to the south. let's show you some pictures, and then we'll talk about what's going to be happening over the next few days. what is interesting is is that down to the south, you have to imagine that people in the north received all that rain. and so obviously they knew something horrific was going down. but further down the river, it has been sunshine. we have not had the torrential rains. and so you can't imagine that this kind of flooding is going to come at you here. so they're trying to get the word out. and they've been having some incredible issues with communication and trying to tell people to get out of harm's way. and then the people -- some peoplerefusing, protecting their property.
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not wanting to get out of the way. so you can clearly see what's going on here. it is going to be quite a while, george, before i think we can figure out the totality, the scale of what is transpiring here across pakistan and into india. we'll keep you posted. this is going to continue into next week as far as the crest. i want to get to two tropical cyclones that will be impacting a lot of people here. in the philippines we're already seeing that as we speak. this cyclone which we call a typhoon is making landfall. so the strongest of the winds, we're not going to get above 130, but the rains will continue. they have been ongoing ahead of the storm. they will continue after the storm. and then we'll track this as it heads to hong kong over the next few days. the potential for very heavy rainfall continues in the philippines. and then this just in from the national hurricane center. hurricane odiel is now a category 4 storm that is headed right for the southern tip of baja. and it will be impacting with the rest of baja over the next few days.
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hurricane warnings have been posted. this will likely be a direct impact as a category 3 or category 4 storm. all preparations to protect life and property must be completed in very short order. george. >> ivan, good to get those warnings out. thank you so much. organization and coordination. those are the two keys to the coalition success to help iraqis and the peshmerga forces on the front lines. we're live in northern iraq straight ahead here on cnn. check out all these airline seats. lots of them, right? but when you try to get one by using your travel rewards card miles... those seats mysteriously vanish. why? all the flights you want are blacked out. or they hit you up for some outrageous number of miles. switch to the venture card from capital one. with venture, use your miles on any airline, any flight, any time. no blackout dates. and with every purchase you'll earn unlimited double miles. now we're getting somewhere. what's in your wallet?
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viewers in the united states and around the world to our continuing news coverage here on cnn. i'm george howell. erbil in northern iraq is still under control of kurdish authorities. but it sits in a precarious area near isis-controlled areas. we go live now to anna coren in erbil to talk to us about the forces there. you've got the peshmerga forces. certainly you've got the iraqi military. how are they holding up in this fight? >> reporter: well, george, i think it's fair to say that they are the ground forces. they're the ones taking the fight to isis. there aren't going to be any u.s. combat forces here in iraq.
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president obama making that perfectly clear when he outlined his strategy to fight isis. so the peshmerga and the iraqis, they are doing their best. they're obviously supported by those crucial u.s. air strikes. according to u.s. central command, 160 to date over the past five weeks. and they have really changed the situation on the ground. certainly providing cover for those ground forces but also disabling isis, taking out enemy positions, striking artillery, mortar as well as those armed vehicles that have made those convoys across much of the plains and deserts across northern and western iraq. the u.s. air strikes containing isis but certainly not defeating them. we know that the americans are sending in more military personnel, 475 taking the total number to 1700. they'll be advising, assisting, training, providing intelligence
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which is critical. also taking on that leadership role which has been sorely lacking here in iraq. so under the guidance of the united states, it's hoped that the iraqis and the peshmerga will be a far more effective force, george. >> it's just after the noon hour there in erbil where you are. if you could tell us if you're seeing any reaction to this latest decapitation, this execution. >> reporter: george, people are shocked and horrified by the beheading of david haines, this 44-year-old aid worker. sadly, it was to be expected. when we saw the beheading of steven sotloff and then david haines appeared at the end of that video, we basically knew what was in store. this is the way that isis operates. this has almost come to define this terrorist organization. it's brutality and barbaric behavior. it's part of their propaganda tool to try and instill fear
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into the local population, to provoke the united states, provoke the west. obviously in that message, the executioner egging on britain and saying that the reason that david haines was executed was because of britain's involvement in this war. but at the end of the day, george, i think it only strengthens the resolve. we know about this global coalition that is coming together. australia just a short time ago announcing that it will be sending in 600 military personnel as well as 8 fighter jets. you can only assume that those fighter jets will be used for air strikes here in iraq which are ongoing and potentially in syria when that campaign gets under way. we had the french president here just a few days ago showing his support to the iraqis. the germans, the canadians, there are many countries providing valuable ammunition, weapons, armory that is much needed here. because at the end of the day, we are not going to have foreign
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troops on the ground fighting this war. it is up to the locals, the iraqis and the peshmerga as well as this national guard that iraqi prime minister designate wants to form that will be taking the fight to isis, george. >> and anna, certainly thanks to your reporting, taking us on the front line with peshmerga forces. so we were able to see what it's like for these fighters on the ground. anna coren, thank you so much for your reporting in erbil. u.s. secretary of state john kerry is preparing to attend a major international conference in paris on monday. looking at how to deal with this threat from isis. he's already been in egypt to gather support, emphasizing that the ideology of isis, that it has nothing to do with islam. elise labott has more. >> reporter: egypt is the latest stop on secretary kerry's mideast tour to build support for a global coalition to combat isis militants. early in the week, kerry was in iraq trying to boost the new iraqi government. then he was in saudi arabia
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meeting with leaders of ten arab nations, trying to enlist sunni arab support for the coalition and the new iraqi government. then he travelled to ankara where he met with turkish leaders, trying to see what they could do for the coalition. here in egypt, the heart of the arab world, secretary kerry asked the president to stem the flow of foreign fighters and financing, which is really the lifeblood of this group. the u.s. also sees those foreign fighters transiting from egypt into syria and iraq, stopping and sharing their knowledge with extremist groups in the sinai which is why the u.s. says isil is as much a threat to egypt as it is to elsewhere in the region. secretary kerry also asked egypt to get its religious clerics to come speak out against isis in the mosques, in friday prayers. the country's top cleric just issued a very tough statement condemning isis. and so the u.s. wants to see more of that. >> so we're very grateful that both egypt and the arab league have supported this coalition
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every step of the way. and in each of the meetings that i had today, we discussed how we could better accelerate the efforts in bringing more nations on board and in dividing up the responsibilities. >> so the push is no doubt on to build a coalition, but is the united states doing enough to actually lead the global fight against isis? cnn's randi kaye put that question to three veterans who fought in the war on terror. >> so gary, the president announcing an additional 475 troops to iraq, bringing the total now to more than 1,600. does that sound like mission creep to you? >> it is mission creep. and those troops will be needed because this is a conflict that is in a space between two failed states. we've got, you know, syria in the west and iraq in the east. three times the size of lebanon. we're going to need those people to do some things out there.
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of course, we don't want traditional american troops on the ground fighting there. but we're going to need to leverage foreign forces. we need the saudis, the kuwaitis, the uae, the egyptians, sunni forces in there to do this. and we need, like george herbert walker bush did in 1991, build a grand coalition and also we need to get those states to pay for this conflict as george herbert walker bush did in '91. when that conflict was over, we didn't owe a penny. >> just quickly, though, does the idea of mission creep concern you? >> it doesn't concern me because i understand the danger of isis, and there has been a collapse across the middle east. >> jeff, the president said this. our intelligence community believes thousands of foreigners including europeans and some americans have injoined isis in syria and iraq. so without destroying the militant group, you hear these people are signing up for terror, what's the answer? >> what are the underlying causes that people gravitate toward these ideals and use this
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extremism as a way to -- >> but does the cause matter? don't you still have to wipe them out? >> well, i think that we've tried to wipe them out historically, and it doesn't work because the groups splinter. and more and more groups pop up. what isis is, a group that popped up based off our intervention in iraq. and so if we keep trying to go with the military first, strategy, we're just going to keep splintering these organizations, and we're not looking at why these organizations are coming together. what are the causes, what are the forming, what is the reason that they take such extreme measures. >> so i said i wanted to ask you all before the break what surprised you most in the 13 years since 9/11, here we are on 9/11. what surprised you most? >> i would say that what surprises me most today is the lack of leadership that i'm seeing out of this administration in terms of our national security and foreign
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policy. i think it's a very dangerous time for the united states of america right now with how much time left president obama has in office and basically where he has gotten us today in terms of the world being on fire. >> i'm shocked by how naive this administration is. >> anything nonpolitical surprise you? >> no, but it's -- look, we are in a world right now where we have significant violence taking place across so many countries here. and this administration is spinning politically. get down to business and deal with it. look, we want our commander in chief to succeed, but we don't want to come out and make a first statement saying these guys around islamic. that's like saying the knights of columbus aren't catholic. let's get down to business here. we are facing a serious threat. as you stated earlier, hundreds of people from the uk, a couple hundred from the united states, possibly 800 from russia. this is an army of killers. and they will function first
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there. they will attack us in the region and eventually they will attack us in the united states if we don't act against them. >> let me just give jeff 20 seconds to respond as well. >> sure. as a country, we really haven't addressed the problems in our world. and i think we've attempted to address them, but we've been doing the wrong thing. and that we should ultimately look at root causes of problems as opposed to military solutions. >> all right. thank you all. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> a pleasure. continuing on our top story here, the u.s. has many resources invested in iraq. stay with us to find out how this conflict could compare to the previous campaign when it comes to finances. let me get this straight... [ female voice ] yes? lactaid® is 100% real milk? right. real milk. but it won't cause me discomfort. exactly, because it's milk without the lactose. and it tastes? it's real milk! come on, would i lie about this? [ female announcer ] lactaid. 100% real milk. no discomfort. come on, would i lie about this?
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while exact numbers are hard to come by, it is estimated the militant group has a massive bankroll between $1 billion and $2 billion. isis built its fortune through a wide range of criminal activities including robbery, smuggling, extortion and kidnapping. isis is also cashing in on oil, taking crude captured from oil fields in northern syria and selling it back to the syrian government. and it's believed the group is receiving financial support from individual sympathizers in gulf states like saudi arabia, kuwait and qatar.
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the u.s. has been striking isis targets in iraq since august. president obama now threatening isis in syria, concerns are being raised over the price tag of military operation. cnn's christina aleshi looks into how much that could cost. >> reporter: the bill for military operations in iraq keeps rising. on august 29th, the pentagon said the mission is costing the united states $7.5 million a day, a relatively tiny sum compared to the billions spent in iraq during our last campaign in the country. but what started as an effort to protect american interests in iraq from sunni militants is now morphing into something much bigger. the u.s. has completed over 150 air strikes that started in august. and since the pentagon released the daily average spending figure, president obama authorized additional military personnel twice. he also opened up the possibility of air strikes outside of iraq.
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>> we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country wherever they are. that means i will not hesitate to take action against isil in syria as well as iraq. >> reporter: on top of that, the president is hoping congress will authorize a $500 million request he made in june for training and equipping the rebels in syria to fight isis. currently the u.s. is financing its involvement in iraq through an $85 billion allocation in the pentagon's overseas contingency operations account. that money had been financing troop drawdown in afghanistan and other activities in the region. and the president says he does not need extra authorization from congress. to be sure, the scope and strategy of u.s. involvement in iraq today is very different than during "operation iraqi freedom" from 2003 to 2011. for one, at its peak, there were more than 150,000 troops on the ground that needed housing, logistical support and supplies.
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an estimated price tag for that war is $806 billion. now, that doesn't include interest on the debt to fund the war or billions more for continued veterans' care. it's important to remember, it wasn't expected to cost that much. in october 2003, six months after operations began, the cdo estimated iraq would cost $85 billion to $200 billion through 2013. estimates that were way off. with obama's latest announcement, the u.s. military will have approximately 1500 personnel in iraq. now, more people means more money. so we'll have to see how high the figures go from here. cristina alesci, new york. more news straight ahead here on cnn including the profile of the man at the center of scotland's anti-independence campaign. find out why alastair darling wants his country to remain part of the uk. let me get this straight... [ female voice ] yes? lactaid® is 100% real milk?
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an update to a developing story, an american has been sentenced to six years in a labor camp in north korea according to state media which released this image from his trial sunday. miller had just arrived in north korea last april when he allegedly ripped up his tourist visa and demanded asylum. state media reports he was convicted for committing acts of -- hostile acts i should say under the guise of tourism. two weeks ago cnn interviewed miller and two other americans who were being held in pyongyang. authorities in uganda say they have foiled a terror plot. they've arrested several people and recovered explosives and are trying to determine whether
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other conspirators may be at large. the u.s. embassy says the somalia-based militant group al shabaab was planning an attack. a u.s. air strike earlier this month killed the leader and al shabaab vowed revenge. we spoke a short time ago to a journalist there. >> considering what they talked about the kind of explosives they had, it could have been typical of what happened in kenya last year. and the other information also i managed to get from others was that they were attacking a crowded area like mall. >> the u.s. embassy did not specify any targets, but it is urging american citizens in uganda to stay indoors. ugandan authorities have tightened security at key sites. some perspective now from the pope on the state of the
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world. on saturday, pope francis visited italy's largest war memorial where he said the conflicts around the world today are effectively a piecemeal third world war. 100,000 soldiers who died in world war i are buried at this memorial. now a full century after that war, the pope says the arms trade and terror are still taking a horrible toll. >> translator: war ruins everything, even the bonds between brothers. war is irrational. its only plan is to bring destruction. it seeks to grow by destroying. >> thousands of people braved the rain as the pope celebrated a mass marking 100 years since the start of the first world war. there are just a few days left until scotland decides on its independence. recent polls suggest the outcome is too close to call.
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alistair darling, britain's foreign finance minister, is he spearheading the no campaign. max foster caught up with him. >> reporter: tensions have been running high towards the end of this epic campaign. >> murderer! you come here looking for support. you do not have our support. >> reporter: during a visit to a mosque, alistair darling is heckled for his previous role in tony blair's government and the 2003 invasion of iraq. a reason for this scot to vote for the other side. >> excuse me, excuse me. >> reporter: have you found that sort of tensions are rising a bit? is it becoming more intense? >> i think as people can see the finishing post after 2 1/2-year campaign, people are becoming far more focused not just on the fact that they're about to growth but the gravity of the decision that they're taking. this is not like voting in the government where if you don't like them, you can vote them out in four or five years.
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if we decide to leave, it's forever. there's no going back. and i think they're very focused on the risks and opportunities that would come. >> reporter: you talk about risks. there's been accusations that it's been a negative campaign, focusing on the things that could create anxiety amongst scots as opposed to the other campaign, which is more positive, more visionary. do you accept that accusation? >> no, i don't. we have been putting the positive case, the opportunities that come from being part of something bigger, the jobs that come because most scottish firms, one way or another, depend upon that bigger market in the uk. the security you get, paying pensions to an aging population or if something goes wrong in the economy as it did a few years ago with the banks, you've got that bigger security. so there's a strong positive case to be made. remember this. the proposition to leave the uk is being made by the nationalists. they're asking us to make a leap into the unknowns. >> actually, alex sammond has been quite clever. he's quite a charming character and he's saying trust me, i'll take you through this.
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>> he does at times tend to say that you've got to rely on him alone being right and everybody else in the world is wrong. you know, that's asking a lot of people to gamble their children's future on something that if you look at the past record might not be too good an idea. look, this is an important issue. it's important because it's about our children and the generations to come which is why people yes, they're becoming passionate on both sides of the argument, but increasingly people are saying i don't like the look of this. what's it all for? why should we do that? we'd be far better building on the strengths and the security and having the best of both worlds, a strong scottish parliament within the united kingdom. >> reporter: the better together campaign is a coalition of desperate groups. they probably wouldn't work together. having been ahead in the polls for most of the campaign, they're now pulling together with a plan promising more powers to fight off a late rally from the yes campaign. max foster, cnn, glasgow, scotland. >> that wraps up this hour of
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