four countries currently meet the 2% recommendation. the united states, the united kingdom, greece, and estonia. thanks for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning. it's time for "reliable sources." we begin with breaking news. in just the last few minutes we learned new details about the world's battle plan against the proper group isis. a number of arab countries have offered military assistance as part of the coalition fight. that's acourting to secretary of state john kerry on "face the nation." he said there are some that are clearly prepared to take action. that news comes hours after another video of another western hostage being beheaded by isis. this time the proper group's victim is david haines, a british aid worker. in a moment i want to talk about whether media outlets are doing isis a favor with blanket

coverage of these videos. let's go to london to nic robertson. nic, what did prime minister cameron say about this this morning? >> he said that david haines was a british hero. he said the british people and david haines' family should be proud. he said they need to understand this is a fanatical organization that continues to plan attacks against this country. he said the people of britain simply could not bury their heads, if you will, and ignore this. this is what he said. >> there is no option of keeping our heads down that would make us safe. the problem would merely get worse as it has done over recent months, not just for us but for europe and for the world. we cannot just walk on by if we are to keep this country safe. we have to confront this menace. step by step we must drive back, dismantle, and ultimately destroy isil. >> reporter: now, david cameron

said that he supported the united states and their decision for air strikes inside syria but he stopped short of using the same language himself saying that britain would do that, but you do hear in what he's saying reaching out to the british people here that he is, if you will, trying to build support for that position. but at the same time very clear no boots on the ground, supporting the united states in air strikes, but not committing britain to the same, brian. >> david haines' face is on the cover of "the new york daily news." the knife up to his throat. is the same kind of image appearing on the cover of the tabloids there in briten? >> reporter: absolutely. it certainly does, and everyone in this country knows that the man who is the executioner there has a british accent, seems to be from london or the east end of london. authorities here, david cameron last week told me they were continuing to try to figure out who this man was and he has said publicly absolutely the people responsible will be brought to justice. it is front and center of the news here today, brian.

>> thank you, nic, for joining us this morning. it's clear to me the press is handing isis is grotesque form of free publicity every time one of these videos is uploaded to the internet. joining me at the desk is jeff greenfield, now a columnist for the daily beast and also here dan rather a former anchor and managing editor of the "cbs evening news." thank you for being here. >> thank you for having us, brian. >> i wanted to ask a couple viewers what they thought. i will read a couple tweets from viewers when i posed this question. first one from alson points out people are skeptical of what the news media tells them. you can't just report it and not show at least the still image. you have to show proof. here is a comment from anthony, he writes the alternative is to refuse to share the video because you're helping share terror and fear. i almost always want to err on the side of showing more. the risk is sanitizing the news, the world we live in. where do you come down on this?

>> it depends on the hour of the day. it's a difficult call. we have to see clearly this is the first social media war. in the way the vietnam war was the first television war, this is the first social media war. that isis has proved to be very adept, very talented, if you will, you always hope evil won't be, in ratcheting up the hysteria, ratcheting up the image of their influence far beyond what their actual military capabilities are. we have to understand the media and the country has to understand that a lot of this is about the psychology of pop grahn da. think about it. three beheadings and by the way i say in my own mind are we certain they have beheaded these people but assuming they have, that three beheadings are enough to move american public opinion, change our foreign policy, and take this nation to war. >> that's a point that fareed zakaria made in the last hour saying nothing has changed about isis except these videos. >> this is to me the most troublesome part of this. first of all, we should note nobody has shown the most

graphic of pictures. at least nobody except the most fringe part -- >> even some websites that usually show this stuff say they are not going to show it. >> the most important thing is if you're asking the intelligence agencies or experts how big a threat to the united states is isis, there's a lot of debate. do they have power ynt where they've established a physical prebs. the pictures seem to tell us something different. it's what i would call emotional knowledge. they gruesomely killed two americans and a briton. i think there's a tendency to think if they can do that, then they can sneak across the mexican border and spread ebola virus which at least one public official has suggested, and it tends to force our policymakers into taking decisions they might not take absent the emotional punch of those pictures. they tend to maybe say more than what reality lets them say. >> and where the media, and i include myself in this criticism, where we are short, we don't talk about context,

background, history. we just push the pictures forward, and having said to you before, i'm ambivalent before it. i generally want to err -- listen, my job to to put the information out there, others decide. but when you say let your news conscience be your guide, we have to understand that the shock of the beheadings will begin to fade and isis, smart as they are and they're very smart with share slick videos, i was argue they're in the same league in the social media war context as hitler was in the 1930s in their use of propaganda. that they will go to something else, something else for shock value when the shock of the beheadings begins to fade off so we need to be thinking about that. >> so are we at the point then where we shouldn't be broadcasting even still images from these videos? >> i don't see how you can put that genie back in the bottle. you know, back in the -- toward the end of the 19th century

william marcie tweed around tammany hall was said to say about thomas thanks cartoons, stop the damn pictures. i don't care what they write but those damn pictures they can understand. we see much of our history, images have had an enormous influence. what i think would be useful or necessary would be to find some kind of social media literacy where you're able to put these pictures side by side with other arguments, and my big concern, and i saw this in the iran hostage crisis, the visceral images overwhelm the abstract analysis. >> it's about how we react as viewers to them. >> i think it was a quote from hitler himself who said those who control the images control the race. this was in the context of the 1930s and isis understands that those that control the images on social media will control public

opinion about this. now, we have to stretch out for the long pull. president has declared war. if there's a war, we should all be in. there's no way to half arse it with war. i think jeff is spot on, context, history. we need to put these things in. i don't believe in self censorship but i do believe there's such a thing as the media overcovering something. for example, cnn 15 straight hours on this. >> i do wonder, i have been re-reading one of my favorite books "the culture of fear." it has this line, television news programs survive on scares. i don't know if everyone would agree on that but i do wonder about a structure issue of cable news which is by covering one beheading for so many hours, jeff -- >> it stands for a greater -- seems to stand for something more than it is. >> isis has beheaded so many muslims on camera, accessible on

youtube still. for some reason youtube doesn't take down those videos as quickly. they're online and they're not covered as extensively. >> that's a simple explanation as to what happens to us always counts more than what happens to them. the idea of inflating a single event to define american policy to get news a potential war whose unintended consequences we may not have thought out, to force policymakers as i think the iranian hostage pictures did to jimmy carter, to make that front and center of an entire foreign policy is what the danger is and the answer, i agree with dan and i agree with you, you can't not show them, but you have to immediately say this is what it means, and to your point about cnn or other cable nets, when you loop those pictures over and over and over, i think that has an impact and i have always thought even when i worked here that cnn and the other cable networks should think long and hard before filling the camera with these images. >> one of the assumptions of

course is that people aren't watching the way i might be watching. people are watching for a few minutes, they come in, they come out, and they see what's going on. >> it's important to understand these irm imagines and the social media propaganda isis is putting out is not, despite what we may think, is only for the west. it's accomplishing what osama bin laden and al qaeda could not, that these images are a tremendous recruiting tool for them, a tremendous tool for gathering money. this is directed as much as anything -- it is directed towards the west and the united states but it is also directed to the civil war between the sunnis and the shiites. >> i'm thinking about how judiciously we've used these images in the last few minutes and i think we have. your point is right, you can't put that genie back in the bottle but we can control our responses to the images and our emotional responses. >> and to immediately try to ask, look, the question about whether isis is a clear and present danger to the united states is a serious question. that's the question that needs

debating before we take perhaps irreversible action. and so when those pictures are on, it would be really helpful if somebody else would come in and say here is what it means and here is what it doesn't mean. here is what we think it may mean for the united states. >> you can hear all three of us struggling with this balance. jeff greenfield and dan rather, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having us. after a quick break a firsthand account from an old friend of mine about the challenges of reporting on the ground in iraq and syria. how do we know how strong isis is if we cannot visit those areas firsthand? we'll tackle that right after this break. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be... one-seventy-five a month. good calculating kyle. good job kyle. you just made partner. our best-ever pricing on mobile share value plans for business.

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for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture everyday. welcome back. we are talking this morning about the latest atrocity by the terror group isis. a video of the british aid worker david haines being executed. for the past few weeks during "reliable sources" i have been outspoken about the media's duty not to bang the drums of bar but instead to examine the instruments. to analyze the drum beating and figure out why it's happening. well, my next guest knows all about that. tim moreango has been reporting on the middle east for years. when he came home he told me i was surprised everybody on tv seemed to be freaked out about isis. this from a guy who has been writing about the rise of isis and he thinks there should be more restraint on the part of the press. so i wanted to ask him, with haines' death and with the killings of the american journalists jim foley and steve

sotloff before that, how can we know what's really happening on the ground? you have been covering iraq for years. are you able to go to those areas controlled by isis? >> absolutely not. i mean, my iraq story is one where i showed up at probably the best time of the last 10, 11 years, right in the geng of 2010 when there was a lot of hope and the entire country was wide open to me. we could wake up in the morning and go to lunch in fallujah if we wanted to just because we wanted to and now the country over time has slowly become more and more constricted in terms of where i can go. nowadays in places like anbar province or mosul or other places where isis is in control, we have to rely on our stringers which are people, iraqis, who work in secret for us and tell us information. and then through our network of iraqis that i know and that my colleagues know, we can call people and speak to people on the ground in those places, but,

of course, no, an american journalist cannot go there. that's an instant death sentence. >> when you say colleagues work in secret, that's because they fear for their lives, is that right? >> absolutely. i mean, if these guys who do their job for us and have for 10, 11 years for us and other western organizations, if the bad guys on the ground knew what they were doing, of course they would -- you know, who knows what they would do. >> tell me how you approach situations that have resulted in kidnappings. these two journalists that were beheaded were freelancers. you're on staff at the "new york times." does that provide you more security in some way? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, we have a lot of support, security advisers. we've had an infrastructure in iraq for a long, long time that, you know, with procedures and there's communications and people know when we're going to places and so there's a lot of oversight and there's a lot of support, and so that's what we

rely on, and, of course, in the situations like with foley and sotloff, that's what i tell myself in my head, that we have the support, and so, you know, it wouldn't turn out like that for us. >> let me play a sound bite from gym foley's mother, diane, in her interview with anderson cooper this week. here it is. >> as an american, i was embarrassed and appalled. i think our efforts to get jim freed were an annoyance. jim would have been saddened. jim believed until the end that his country would come to their aid. we were just told to trust that he would be freed somehow, and he wasn't, was he? >> since you're home visiting your folks, have you talked it them about the security risk that you face? >> not yet. i just got here. i'm sure it might come up around the dinner table in the next few

days but so far i have tried to keep it light. >> i hate to even try to talk about these issues, but if you were to be kidnapped, if you were to be detained even briefly by one of these opposition groups, what would you want your family to do? would you want them to be speaking out in public? would you want them to be keeping quiet the way sotloff's family did? have you thought about that before? >> i haven't thought about that specific question, but, you know, i think it would probably be more in the hands of the "new york times" than, you know, than my family and i would defer to the experts. i honestly don't know what is better, whether to keep it quiet or to, you know, or to go public. >> tim arango of the "new york times." thanks for joining me. >> thanks. >> a lot of people thinking about those issues. i'll have more about the media coverage of isis later in the hour. when we come back, it's sunday so we're talking a little bit of football. how the media has been tackling or not tackling some high

profile scandals. we'll be right back.

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it's a sunday and it's the fall so it's almost time for another afternoon of football. the nfl is such big business, and every day this week such a big story. adrian peterson, one of the league's biggest stars, will not be suiting up after he turned himself into authorities at the end of the week after being indicted on a felony charge of injury to a child. the league is reviewing the situation. then, of course, there is this, the tmz video that came out showing ray rice punching his then-fiancee, his now wife. he's been suspended indefinitely from playing but he and his wife used another video to show things between them are just fine. here it is. the pair showed up at rice's high school to watch his old team play. this just shows you how the power of video can work both ways. two veteran sports journalists

are standing by on this but let's get a sense of what it's like in the locker room when scandal hits from two former professional football players. i spoke with george martin who played defensive end for the giants and chris clue which, a former punter from the minnesota vaking. whes the feeling in a locker room? >> i think there's two reactions. i think there's a tendency for the team to galvanize together, to come around and support one another, and i think there's also a distrust, if you will, to the media at times, and sometimes you don't get the full or the honest truth. i think in this case you have seen where the guys have done both. >> chris, does the media become the enemy in a situation like this? >> it can if you let it. there's always talk about distraction if you let the media distract you from your job. >> distraction is the ultimate euphemism isn't it? >> exactly with air quotes included. the thing is though if you possess the ability to make it to the nfl then you possess the focus to tune all that out and

focus on what exactly it is you're supposed to be doing for that week. anytime someone says this is a distraction, well, you're a professional athlete. it's your job not to be distracted. that's why you're out on the field. >> what do you make of janay's rice's comments effectively blaming the media for putting her through this. how did you react to that, chris? >> i think it's unfortunate this situation as a whole. the fact it has become so public, especially for janay rice because she is the victim here and it's unfortunate that everyone has to see this video happen over and over again. but at the same time this is a very important issue that the nfl and society at large needs to address, and it's something that, you know, hopefully we will be able to address so we don't have something like this ever happen again. >> did you feel, george, it was played too many times, that it was basically on endless repeat all week on television? >> i couldn't agree more with chris. i think that, number one, ray's wife had to endure this

indignity publicly initially where she was literally victimized, and now she's having to relive that over and over again quite figuratively, and it can't be a welcoming experience for either one of them. but in the aftermath of all this, now she has to endure the fact that her husband is no longer employed, so in a real sense of the word she's been victimized not once, not twice, but three times. >> then, of course, we see stupid on television like on "fox and friends" when is host suggested the next time they take the stairs. comments like that that perpetuate the problems when it comes to how domestic violence is talked about and covered in the media. this is not just about domestic violence, it's also about how the nfl acts when there are transgressio transgressions, when there are crimes. let me ask you, chris, how that is perceived by players like yourself. does the league get better press than it deserves? is it usually treated very

softly? >> i think the league generally is treated pretty thoughtfully especially by league sources. there are certain media members who tend to right more favorably about the league than others, and i think it's tough as a player when you see a situation like this where roger goodell has essentially set himself up as judge, jury, and executioner over the years. now it's like, okay, well, if you're the one claiming you have all this power, you can't all of a sudden say i'm not responsible, i didn't know who was happening. >> and, george, you used to head up the players union during your playing days. what does the union tell players involved in a scandal or not involved or on the sidelines. what does it tell them about how to handle the press? >> first of all, you have to look 59 things in two distinct situations. i think the narrative originally focused on mrs. rice and what had happened to her, and obviously the penalty that was imposed upon ray. now it's shifted totally to the league and rightly so where it

seems as if there's a great deal of intelligennegligence going o think the narrative should shift yet again. we've all expressed our outrage and indig nas so what do we do going forward? how do we safeguard and keep this from happening again to other people like the rices and how does the reg implement rules and regulations to prevent other players from going over the line. you said it quite well at the initial outbreak, that, you know, we're all talking about the two videos but what would happen if neither video existed? would there be a reaction at all? >> you know, that's where i think so many people come down on this issue. there was this emotional response to the video, but we knew what had happened for months and that's why it's so perplexing i think. >> yeah, i agree with you. >> well -- >> go ahead, chris. >> i was going to say just as human beings we are very visual creatures. it's one thing to know in the abstract ray rice hit his wife. that's bood. you shouldn't hit a woman.

you shouldn't hit your wife. to actually see what happens gives that you visual imagery now it's no longer an abstract. it's a concrete reality of this is what has happened and that tends to hit people a lot harder. >> let me step away from ray rice for a moment and think broadly about how the press and the sports leagues and individual athletes are treated. does the media tend to believe the worst about athletes? is there a fundamental tension or bias there? >> i think there is a tendency to oversensationalize and overdramatize the negative. we hear all the time about the isolated incidents that are rare to say the least, but we seldomly hear about the grand total of great things that athletes do both on and the field and off and i think that is -- that's unfair because the national football league as a whole is a wonderful institution of which i'm proud to have been a part of for 14 years and there's so many people out there who have been positive influences and role models in the national football league than not. >> you are both socially active.

chris, i wonder if you feel like it's hard to get attention for those things unless you're already on talking about a scandal? >> and i completely agree with george. the fact that the vast majority of nfl players are guys who take care of their business, they do good charitable works, and then they go home to their families and they never have an issue with the law or with the league, and the problem is you really only hear about the guys who mess up, which tends to reinforce this perception that the league is filled with troublemakers. and i think that that's something that the nfl -- it's so important to be held accountable for the times that it does mess up because it needs to let people know that, hey, we are more than just the sum of our errors. we have so much more that happens. we teach teamwork, we teach guys working together. there are so many good things that football can teach that we have to be able to focus on those and use the negatives as learning experiences. >> we spent weeks in the press talking about michael sam earlier this year. now we're seeing domestic violence in the press, talking about domestic violence in the

press because of this issue with ray rice. really is a remind they're sports is a reflection of society, a mirror maybe to society and that's why the nfl finds itself being talked about in all these different ways. >> it's a huge institution, the shield is something that should be respected and safeguarded and i would like to see just from my standpoint more positivity being shown in the public eye as opposed to what we're talking about today. >> george martin and chris kluwe thanks for being here. >> thanks for having us. >> thank you. >> we'll stay on this story after the break and ask do sports reporters focus too much on what's happening on the field and too much covering controversies off the field and the role of tmz in breaking this case wide open right after this. way to "plus" our a accounting firm's mobile plan. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be... one-seventy-five a month.

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welcome back to "reliable sources." we just heard about how former athletes feel about the media. now it's look at it from the reporter side and ask are sports

journalists too soft on the leagues they cover. how did tpz obtain the elevator video but not espn? espn, cbs, nbc, and fox all have multibillion dollar contracts to carry nfl games. their news divisions have to cover the news but their parent companies have to protect their investments in football. two experts are here to help us sort owl the conflicts. first here, christine brennan, a long time sports columnist for "usa today." she interviewed roger goodell earlier this week and in new york gary bell ski the former editor of espn the magazine. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> there's a lot of blame to go around here. does some of it fall on sports reporters? is there a measure of culpability? >> certainly, certainly. are we doing the best we can do? are we trying to find as you mentioned that video, tmz was

leading the way on several other stories, including tiger woods. why is this? >> and in the donald sterling story and people can say it's because tmz pays for the audio tape or videotape. harvey levin would say all networks pay for content. >> although the traditional print journalists, including usa today, we don't pay, of course. i think those who are completely independent as say a "usa today" or a network that's not involved with a team in paying fees, i know we try. i know we care. i know at "us a today" we aren't trying to go soft on anybody. but it's a valid question. i think often you find that sports surjournalists are still fa fans. they so wa >>tell us about that journalist

subject relationship. is it different in sports? >> it is different but i think there's a few factor that is play into why it is that sports journalism often seems like it's behind on serious stours. peter keating at espn exposed the donald sterling issue about eight years ago in a fantastic and long in-depth piece. i think it probably got lost a little bit in all of the espn words and images that get out there. but the bigger issue is that sports journalists are human beings and they're promicomprom by a quartet of issues. the first one is everybody wants sports to succeed. they're also as christine said worried a lot about access. even the most aggressive sports reporters are sometimes -- they sometimes temper themselves because they want to keep talking to athletes. there's always the mythology problem. the people who are in sports journalism are generally fans and they want to believe probably none consciously, they want to believe sports is what we all want it to be, which is

athletes as olympians in the big "o" sense who are kind of pursuing this physical ideal. and the final issue is that is expertise. by that i mean athletes are -- sports journalists are often trained to cover sports as games, as competitions, when the subjects start to become serious, they're not qualified to talk about or to even investigate a lot of the issues that are raised in something like the rice case. >> do you think some of that happened this week. i saw a lot of great sports journalism but do you feel some of the foes weren't qualified to talk about these issues? >> i saw a lot of sports journalists who know a lot about offensive schemes talking about psychology and domestic abuse and crime and let's be honest, they don't know very much about that. they're not trained nor should they be. >> of course, maybe one of the responses to that would be they work for big networks that also have legal reporters and others who can do some of that. christine, let me turn to you and ask about what i mentioned in the beginning about the

network contracts with these leagues, not just the nfl but the nfl is probably the biggest of them all. is that inherently a conflict? how should viewers perceive news coverage for example from cbs when they also broadcast thursday night football? >> one of the worst i ever saw was during the masters with the controversy of no women members back in 2003, brian, and that was an example where cbs news basically ignored the story. it was roiling the nation whether there -- everyone remembers this, i'm sure and cbs sports treated it as a golf tournament -- >> this week a very different case. >> norah o'donnell got the video of the tv interview and i had the print interview -- >> and yet people wonder did they get the interview because of the relationship cbs has with the league. >> i have no idea. i got it by asking and e-mailing -- >> and you both asked prosecutorial questions and we see contradictions in the story.

>> you put it out there and that's what you do. going back to the original question, this is where we are. this is not going to change espn having rights fees, people paying networks or paying the leagues and then also trying to cover the leagues. >> espn for example said so me we have a church and stated approach when it comes to this. some would disagree with that. there's been controversies about espn and how tough they have been covering football concussions for example. gary, go ahead. >> for about eight years i was in the highest level editorial meetings at espn and i have zero stake in the company now. they don't pay me. i have very little to do with them. i can tell you not once were we ever discussing a serious journalistic issue. not once was there after a consideration of not approaching it or doing it. many times i presented stories to the people in charge of the relationships with the leagues to let them know what we were doing and every single time all i got back was good story, thanks for the heads up. >> i was struck on cbs on thursday night at the very first night of thursday night football on the network that scott pelley

took over for a few minutes, did a news update about the scandal and then handed over to james brown. let me play a bite from james brown because he spoke at length. >> according to domestic violence experts, more than three women per day lose their lives at the hands of their partners so this is yet another call to men to stand up and take responsibility for their thoughts, their words, their deeds, and as deon says, to give help or to get help because our silence is deafening and deadly. >> so there's j.b. talking about it on thursday. was that as tough as he could have been? it was a pretty dramatic statement? >> yeah, i think so. and it's a powerful statement because he is so associated with the national football league and his coverage of it and, of course, he's a man, and, of course, he's -- you know, this is the kind of thing -- what i love about a story like this as horrible as it is is sports once

against leads to us a national conversation. whether it's penn state and that awful story, whether it's steroids in sports. here is another example. as horrible as the circumstances we have a chance to have a national conversation and j.b. was certainly leading that conversation on thursday night. >> i'm glad you mentioned penn state because it was sarah at the local paper who reveal eed what happened. she now works for cnn. maybe that just speaks to the idea we live in a media ecosystem where there are insiders and outsiders. to your spount about espn, it's not as if they're not going to have billion dollar contracts in the future. they always will. it's about having outsiders as well as insiders covering these beats. >> i think so. the bottom line is there are young journalists that could want to break these stories. i'm not concerned about that. i just think that when you get close to a team and a league and have been around too much, it's almost like every sports editor should switch beats. anyone who gets too comfortable

and i have seen it, it's just time to break that up and make everybody uncomfortable again. they'll do better journalism. >> at the "new york times" i was on the tv beat for six years baugh people often move around for five or six years for that reason. gary and christine, thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> my pleasure. >> let me know who you think. send me a tweet or facebook message. i'm brian stelter and i have been replying to your comments during the breaks. after this break, a rarity in washington, a member of congress who is publicly anti-war. should she get more air time? whose opinions really get heard about this terror threat from isis? we'll be right back with that. what does t-mobile have that at&t doesn't?

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who are booked on the cable can news show to talk about isis are advocating a robust action. clearly a threat, but the range of opinions seems to be obama's strategy to deal with isis over here, and more calls for sweeping action over here, and shou shouldn't we widen the range of opinion to offer a greater varie variety? >> well with that, is why i have booked congresswoman barbara e lee. she is the house's most liberal members and she the only one to oppose the authorization of the military force in iraq. we talked earlier in the morning about the president, the polls and the press. >> reporter: you were on the lead with jake tapper and other than appearances like that on cnn, do you feel that the point of view is represented enough on television and in the press? >> i have not, at a least my experience has been very seldom heard progressives called,

people who have an opposing point of view to the whatever the current thought is and the current polling data is showing that they are called on the media and the press to have these kinds of discussions, so it is very in many ways derelict, because we are here to make sure that people know what is going on, that the they understand the issues and they know what the crises are about so they can really understand what the solutions could be. but if they the only have one point of view, that's the point of view they take and embrace. >> well, what you are saying is contradict i contradicting the liberal media that the reporters are biased in favor of the liberal, because you are saying that the progressive point of view is not said enough in settings like this. has it been lonely for you over the years? i mentioned the lone vote in 1991, and do you have more

colleagues siding with you than 13 years ago? >> after 13 years ago, the attacks of 9/11, the resolution came forward which was to me a blank check and not defined, and very broad and not a resolution that i could support, and it is a resolution that 13 years later, it has been used over and over again for bombing campaigns, for domestic signings, and the congressional research center gave us a list of 30 times it was used, so it was a blank check. >> let me read to you from the cnn pollings that americans are concerned that isis represent s a direct terror threat, and fearful that isis lives in the united states. according to a recent cnn poll, and most americans now support action against isis. and to what do you attribute that to the cnn/orc polls? >> well, to me, the media has focus focused on a lot of the terrible things that are going on, and

the president, of course, tried in the speech, and i think that he did a good job in saying that, yes, isis poses a threat not necessarily immediate or imminent, but long-term. i think that it is important though that we not allow fear to settle in. we have to understand the world in which we live. it is a dangerous world. >> i want to read you something that was in response to something that was on "reliable sources" last week and talking about 2003 and the run-up to the iraq war and this. and what media personalities are not reacting to a future threat, but they are reacting to the beheadings acts and the reaction has been repulsion and not entirely inappropriate, but the comparison is entirely ap protoyat and not supposed water carrying for intel sources. so what is a very absolutely

different case. >> well with, it is the fear and the anger and the revulsion in regard to what took place as a result of the 9/11 and the horrific and the terrible and the horriblet attacks, and the lives that were lost and the communities that were shattered were still in many ways in mourning from that. and these terrible beheadings and the brutal attacks that are taking place now, and anger sets in, quite naturally and once that anger sets in, you want a response. an angry response. and that may or may not be in the best interest of the national security. you know, there is a history to this. and so we don't want that to history to be repeating itself in ten years, but we have to get it right this time. >> thank you, congresswoman barbara lee. >> thank you. and we have run out of time

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finally this morning, everybody makes mistakes. but this one is too funny to ignore. take a look at this correction, it was attached to a new york times' website thursday. it said misstated the former title of dick cheney, he was vice president and not president. oh to, be the editor who mistyped that. for some reason i don't see any journalists making that mistake with vice president quail or gore or biden. that is all for this televised edition of reliable sources, but our media coverage goes seven days a week at cnn pnt kr.com.

check out our interview with david knorr, and a show about two senators stranded on an isla island. we will see you right back here next week, next sunday. and if you can't can join us live, set your dvr. stay tuned for "state of the union with candy crowley." another barbaric act by isis renews international fury. today -- >> they are not muslims. they are monsters. >> a british aide worker becomes the third westerner beheaded by isis. we talk with white house chief of staff denis mcdonough about a u.s.-led war without u.s.-led combat troops. then, what it will take to bring down isis and who can the u.s. trust to join the fight? two veterans of the war in iraq, retired major general paul eaton and retired general james dubik will join us. plus on any given sunday it's about football. this week, it's about violence against women.