assistance, in actual strikes, if that is what it requires. and we also have a growing number of people who are prepared to do all the other things. people should not think about this, this effort just in terms of strikes. in fact, as some have pointed out, that, alone, is not going to resolve this challenge. >> and perhaps no country is more outraged and horrified by this recent video than the uk. not only was the victim a brit, but it appears his executioner is, too. underscoring the national threat. prime minister david cameron says while there won't be british boots on the ground in iraq, the uk won't be taking this fight lying down. >> there is no option of keeping our heads down that would make us safe. the problem would merely get worse as it has done over recent months, not just for us but for europe and the world.

we cannot just walk on by if we are to keep this country safe. we have to confront this menace. step by step, we must drive back, dismantle, and ultimately destroy isil and what it stands for. >> meantime, another u.s. ally, austral australia, is offering not just air support, but a 600 strong force made up of air force personnel and special forces soldiers. just a short time ago, the united nations security council released its state on the brutal on-camera death of david haines. council members express their bleach that isis members must be destroyed and said this, "this crime is the tragic reminder of the increasing dangers humanitarian personnel face every day in syria and also once again demonstrates the brutality of isil responsible for thousands of abuse against the syrian and iraqi people." with me now, cnn national security analyst, peter bergen and military analyst, retired lieutenant colonel rick

francona. peter, let me start with you. the man beheaded by isis this weekend was a british citizen. talk to us a little bit about how deeply this pushes the uk into this fight. >> well, i think prime minister david cameron understands some things that are pretty disturbing. first of all, the british guy who beheaded both the two american journalists and the british aid worker, is somebody who's known to the british intelligence services. his identity is known. he's part of a group sometimes referred to as the beetles, the names their captives gave them and one of 500 brits who have gone to syria to fight. not all of them are fighting with isis, bullet if you kit if the numbers of americans who have gone, we're looking at 100. the population of britain is a fifth the size of the united states. in fact, you have 25 -- if you look at the rate of which brits are going, 25 times the rate americans are going to syria. and it's impossible to detract

500 people when and if they return to the united kingdom. that's a very large number of people. and, of course, you know, it's -- this brit is -- the beheader has killed citizens of america, of the country's closest ally, the united states, and there are other western hostages. i mean, cnn is not identifying who they are, but they are known to be held by isis. citizens of other western countries including americans. and, you know, the prospect for this ending badly is unfortunately quite large. you know, there was a rescue operation on july 4th by joint special operations command. it didn't get to the right place. the hostages are being taken. you know, rescue operations are fraught with difficulties. >> absolutely. colonel francona, let me ask you, because talking about the uk's involvement, i mean, now david cameron is promising to work alongside the u.s. in, quote, direct military action against isis. so is this commitment, would you say, only since the murder of

david haines? >> prime minister cameron has been steadfast all along. he has to get the approval of his parliament. remember, he got burned last september when he wanted to contribute with the united states and he was rebuffed by his parliament, so he doesn't want to make that mistake again. but he was pretty forceful in his statement yesterday as we heard, and i think he really is committed to do this. i know his foreign minister said that one time there will be no british air operations over syria, and he walked that back. so i think the prime minister, himself, is very committed. it's just what can he get his government to do? >> and peter, what do we know about, i guess, what british officials know and what they're works on in terms of finding out more about this executioner? how close are they to learning his name and anything else about him? >> i'm confident they know his identity. voice analysis is very straightforward. the technology has been around

for decades now. and so they are not revealing his identity for operational concerns. they, you know, i mean, there's a sound reason not to reveal his identity, but they certainly know who it is. >> and colonel, what about the westerners? hundreds of people now from north america, europe, fighting in syria for whatever reason they've decided to join this fight. what sort of problem do they pose for our efforts and for the coalition efforts? >> well, it's a real problem, simply because if you don't know who they are, and they go and get this training, they get the experience, and they want to bring the jihad back to their home country, they can just get off the plane and walk right through immigration. so there's very little control on them. so that's why it's very essential that our intelligence and security services are able to figure out who they are before they go. maybe even stop them before they go, but once they're there, figure out who they are and get them when they come back. otherwise, you've got people running around with the training

and the capabilities and you're not even aware that they exist. so it's a real problem. it's something i think we're trying to address, but in these free societies, you have to be very careful. someone can get on a plane and go to turkey. that doesn't make them a potential recruit. >> right. right. peter, do you agree? >> yeah. i mean, the numbers, randi -- i reported today on cnn.com a british assessment of the numbers. we're looking at 700 from france. 300 to 500 from belgium. 400 from germany. 130 from sweden. around 100 from denmark. you know, when you total up all these numbers, 6 0 from australia, 100 from canada, you come to the number of 2,600 at a minimum, is the british government's assessment. that's a lot of people. we've already seen some of these returnees from syria conduct a terrorist attack on may 24th killing four at the jewish museum in brussels. it's not an academic concern, but it's also, i think as

lieutenant colonel francona indica indicated, i mean, every government around europe and everybody i've spoken to in the national security apparatus of the governments, this is their number one concern. people are all over this like a wet blanket. particularly, the united states, the numbers are small. the numbers who have joined isis is only a dozen. we need to have some perspective here about the level of threat particularly in the united states which i think is relatively low. the threat to countries lifranc britain, and belgium, that's certainly hire. >> all right. peter, colonel, stay with us here. coming up, an alleged isis fighter captured by iraqi soldiers revealed how he was recruited into the terror group. later on, off the field violence forces the nfl to do some soul searching. we'll look back at the league's very rough week.

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we've seen the isis brutality play out in high definition. who are these extremists? what possesses someone to embrace an ideology so inhumane? "face to face with an isis fighter." >> reporter: a rare video from iraq's defense ministry showing troops in action this week capturing a man they say is an isi isis foreign fighter, near the haditha dam. this is an isis fighter, he's come here in search of heaven,

his local tribesman says, mocking the jihadi ideology. he's come here to kill iraqis, we are your brothers, our religion is not like yours, your murderous criminals, we are the real muslims, he tells him. the militant says he is from saudi arabia. [ gunshot ] his capture according to the ministry of defense was part of an intelligence-led operation earlier this week, tracking a convoy of more than 150 isis fighters crossing into iraq's anbar province from syria. vehicles destroyed, bodies strewn in this western desert. the saudi fighter and another from tajikistan in iraqi custody. thursday, iraq state tv broadcast their confessions obtained by the iraqi military. cnn cannot verify the conditions under which these confessions were obtained. the saudi identified, explaining how he ended up in iraq. he is just 18. a first-year religious studies college student like many of

isis recruitrecruits, he was ind and recruited by jihadists online. in july, he traveled from saudi to kuwait, from there on to turkey, a main route for jihadis into syria. handlers who met him in sere wra took away his passport and phone. he spent a week, he estimates, with 270 fresh fighters. >> translator: there are many nationalities, from norway, america, canada, somalia, korea, china, turkmenistan, egypt, tunisia, lebanon, and other european countries such as germany and france. >> reporter: none use their real names like him. all young, he says. >> translator: from germany, i knew abu hanza and from britain, and from america, one named abu ibrahim. >> reporter: after 22 days at a religious indoctrination camp, he had to swear allegiance to

isis' leader baghdadi. next, nine days of military training in isis' main strong hold in syria. after a short time fighting in a alep aleppo, came to move across the essentially nonkpis tent boaexi in iraq. the border needed reinforcele. less than two months before his journey began, this is where it ended. he wants to go back home, but fighters like him coming home is something many nations fear the most. cnn, baghdad. so the question is, how much can the iraqis and the u.s. learn from these captured isis fighters? our experts weigh in next. rivin having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pick-up truck slams into your brand new car. one second it wasn't there and the next second... boom! you've had your first accident. now you have to make your first claim. so you talk to your insurance company and...

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the world has seen them, horrific video and picture propaganda cranked out by isis fighters in syria and iraq, but the question remains why is this

inspiring young people around the world to join the ranks of isis? let me bring back in cnn military analyst, retired lieutenant colonel frank lan co francona, and peter bergen. this isis fighter captured by the iraqis we just saw before the break in that story, so young and yet so emboldened in the cause. why is that? what's the attraction? >> well, i think a combination of things. first of all, you know, assad is imposing a totalitarian war on his sunni population. he's an alowite. he's also a secular dictator id. it makes it a trifecta, you're seeing tremendous energy of people going to join. w you have isis' social media campaigns. al qaeda's was boring. ayman al zawahiri, he was static. isis has done music videos that

are well produced. show tanks. it's exciting stuff. randi, the fact he was saudi, i found interesting because earlier this year the saudis really criminalized any of their citizens going to fight for those groups, criminalized groups like al qaeda. senior sunni clerics saying going to these conflicts was against islam. i thich tnk the saudis have trio clamp down, but people are getting through. >> colonel, why is there such a deep hatred for america? >> we represent everything that's anathema to them. they're indoctrinated with the sect of islam. it's ingrained in them to day one and everything about the west is bad and we represent everything that's the worst of the worst. so it's not unusual. and, of course, if you listen to what he said when he was being interrogated, he pretty much

self-radicalized. much of this was done online and it's very slickly done. you remember anwar al awlaki was very good at this. radicalizing americans by using the internet. we saw how that turned out with hassan nadal. >> how often can the iraqis learn from someone like this captured fighter? what can they get from him? >> i don't think that much. for start, he's a foot soldier. it's not like he's going to know strategy. they use islamic nicknames, abu this, abu that. no one uses their real name. it's interesting he met europes and americans and other na nationalities. he can't tell you about who they are in terms of what they really are. he has a straw's-eye view. we know where the pipeline is coming. most is coming through turkey and turkey is beginning to crack down. it understands this is really a

problem mind guess is they learn something, it's atmospherics. it's not like they captured abu baghdadi or some senior isis commander who has a sense of what the joeoverall strategy is >> he was given basic rudimentary training and sent to the front lines. he's expendable, he's cannon fodder. >> what about recruiting? when you put a brutal murder of a westerner on videotape, and it's so highly produced, how does that help in terms of recruiting? >> well, if you're of the mind to be radicalized, this is epitome of what the jihad is. they're taking the fight to the westerners. these are infidels and how infidels are treated. if you're of that mindset, this is the highest you can aspire to. it really resonates with people in this radical mindset. >> peter, i know you agree with that. >> well, actually i was going to say something slightly different. i think the beheadings are the beginning of the end for isis.

when historians write this period, it's the beheadings that made the united states and unitedalleys to do something about this. it will be a strategic defeat in the medium and long term. >> thank you both for sharing that. colonel, peter bergen, thank you very much. coming up, david haines is the third hostage murdered by isis in the last few weeks. we'll take a closer look at why negotiation efforts have failed. our visionary cloud infrastructure, and dedicated support, free you to focus on what matters. centurylink. your link to what's next.

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former deputy director of the fbi. tom, a few angles i want to cover you here. first the u.s. government and now the british government have not been able to save these hostages' lives. why is this group so tough to deal with unlike other hostage taking groups like al nusra? >> al nusra is a much milder version of extremism, i guess is the best way to put it, and i think al nusra wanted to separate themselves from isis by releasing the hostage, peter curtis, a couple weeks ago. from isis' perspective, they want to do the horrific killings. they don't want to negotiate. they don't want to have this be resolved. they don't want to look weak. the more horrific the killings are, the better it helps their recruiting, what they're trying to accomplish on a worldwide basis. they have no desire to resolve these issues and, you know, you have the example of the mothers sending impassioned pleas to them on humanitarian grounds. on muslim grounds. citing, you know, citing the

faith as to why isi s shouldn't kill their sons. they executed them almost immediately after receiving the me messages. >> let me ask you about air strikes. there have been 150 american air strikes in iraq. we don't know when they're going to start inside syria. how do you think the campaigns will be different in those two countries? >> i think the problem, from my perspective, is that air strikes in syria, we have to avoid happening to us what happened to israel when they conducted air strikes in gaza. hamas put their own citizens up as human shields, and as soon as israel intensified the campaign of air strikes, then shortly after you see all the little babies laid out in the streets. you know, that there are killed by those air strikes. because they're hiding the weaponry in mosque and in schools and in hospitals, and that's my fear in syria is that

if isis is completely embedded, you can take out a tank or an armored car because there's nowhere to hide it, but the actual soldiers of isis are with the population and it's going to be very hard, i think, to surgically remove isis when they're embedded in a population. >> let's talk john kerry, secretary of skate. he's putting together a coalition, so far ten arab states have signed on including saudi arabia. what are the saudis willing to do and i guess not do as part of this coalition? >> i don't know. the saudis have always been an interesting dilemma for the united states going back to 9/11, the original hijackers were mostly saudi. the funding for terrorism, a lot of that has come out of saudi arabia over the years. sa saudi arabia. yet, the saudis eventually became victimized by some elements of al qaeda in their own country.

when the saudis got tough for a while back in 2003, you know, many of the al qaeda members in saudi arabia fled across the border into yemen and became al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, so saudi arabia has at times been very cooperative, at other times it's been questionable. and, again, the extremist version, much of the basis in fate, comes from the wahhabi sect within the sunni muslim group out of saudi arabia, so that's a huge problem dealing with saudi arabia. >> yeah, certainly. so many different things to worry about in this fight now. and so much to work out still. tom fuentes, preeshts yoappreci insight. >> thank you. coming up, john kerry said the fight against isis isn't a war, then the white house said it is. is president obama's administration on the same page? we'll talk about it next. ♪ ♪

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critics would say president obama's primetime speech announcing his pledge to take on isis was a long time coming, and the white house messaging on the issue has evolved to say the least. from the president's remark that we don't have a plan for countereringcounte countering isis inside syria, to his vow to degrade the group. david gergen has vast experience in crafting the message behind presidential policies. david, good to see you on this

sunday. even in the wake of this speech, there were mixed messages sentering sent eri centering on the word, war. let me play some remarks by the president and his team. >> our objective is clear. we will degrade and ultimately destroy isil. through a comprehensive and sustained counterterrorism strategy. >> what we are doing is engaging in a very significant counterterrorism operation. and it's going to go on for some period of time. if somebody wants to think about it as being a war with isil, they can do so, but the fact is it's a major counterterrorism operation. >> what i said was this is not the iraq war of 2002, but make no mistake, we know we are at war with isil in the same way we are at war and continue to be at war with al qaeda and its affiliates. >> so i think what you can conclude from this is the united states is at war with isil in the same way that we are at war

with al qaeda and al qaeda affiliates all around the globe. >> this is not the kind of iraq war that we had talked about in the recent past. this is not also america's war with isil. the world is joining us in this fight because of the threat they pose to countries in the regions. >> all right. now, today, secretary of state kerry told cbs it is a war after saying this week it was simply a counterterrorism effort. david, does it matter if the president and his team call this effort a war, and even if it doesn't, why has it taken them until now really to get on the same page as to what to call it? >> well, i think it does matter. it matters. it creates a set of questions. in wrr mind and other people's minds. do they have a firm grip on what they're doing, what they want to call it, and are they all together on the same page? in other words, the more you're on the same page together, the more sense of unity and cohesion is felt by the public. so when you're messaging, it

gets a little muddled, or evolves as this has, it sew seeds of doubt about how firm a hand is on the wheel. in this case, i think the formulation that they finally have gotten to, basically, is this is a war in a sense, same sense we go to war against al qae qaeda. i think they're obviously trying to distinguish it from a much bigger war, as in iraq, or in afghanistan. wars that became so unpopular and people are wary of, we all know that. so they're trying to minimize what this is and yet prepare us for a long, sustained and unpredictable battle. >> yeah. it certainly seems that way. listen, as horrible as isis is and as tragic as their march through sere wyria and iraq has become, has the president talked enough, do you thinks about whether isis poses a direct danger to the united states and the american people? >> i think the president's going

to have to come back to this and other issues as we go forward. what's remarkable to me, randi, right now is how different the feeling is than going into iraq or afghanistan. there was so much cheerleading, especially in the press, in the media, as we prepared to go in, that everything seemed to be, you know, this is all going to be very smooth, and, of course, it wasn't. in this case, there a lot of different, you know, news organizations and commentators who are beginning to raise questions about how much more complicated this is. especially with regard to syria. and i think the president is going to have to keep talking to the public to help define the terms, help define reality for us, otherwise he's going to find that there's going to be a drum beat from left and right saying, what are we really getting into here? i mean, "the new york times" has the most interesting example. you know, in "the new york times," have been very kind to president obama, let's put it that way, charitable to

president obama, many would say prejudice. but in the first couple days out afterwards, a front page of "the new york times" consistently in big stories was saying basically, arab support is tepid. this looks a lot more difficult than we may have thought. >> right. >> and today on their editorial page, they really raised fundamental questions about whether this can succeed in syria. which is such an important part of this whole operation. they were much more confident about iraq than syria. so when you have major media voices like that beginning to raise serious questions, i think that requires a counteroffensive on the part of the administration led by the president to tell us exactly what we're getting into, to keep building public support, solidify the support and solidify support in congress. once you start calling it a war, by the way, doesn't that raise the stakes for congress to give some sort of approval to this? >> certainly does. let me ask you about this coalition building. secretary of state kerry, he's

been traveling nonstop. how do you assess the coalition building efforts so far? i mean, george w. bush took plenty of criticism for what he had called a coalition of the willing during the iraq war. do you think president obama is doing any better? >> well, i think he's putting together a coalition of the willing. the question, willing to do what is going to be the question. you know, we have a number of nations signed up, but what they're signed up for seems like pretty light lifting. it's been striking, even david cameron and the uk who had -- and uk has been so firmly with us in the past, and, of course, tony blair paid a price for that at home. but even after the beheading of one of their own, david cameron said we're going to work with the united states, but they're only providing sort of surveillance and intelligence. they're not joining the air strikes. cameron clearly has got his eye, you know -- he's looking down the road this week at the vote on scotland on thursday which is so critical. he's not calling parliament back. remember, the last time he

called parliament into session was on syria, and he was working with obama and he tried to get approval from a parliament, it was shocking that he got defeated on that. so he's been very gingerly, and if you look at country by country with a small number of exceptions, yes, they're saying they're going to be there, yes, they're saying they're going to take part, but when you get underneath that statement and ask, what are you actually doing? the united states is going to be doing the heavy lifting, trying to work with the iraqis, the kurds, and with so-called moderates in syria. >> right. all right. david, stay with me, if you will, here. when we come back, a closer look at obama's journey from a dove to a hawk. you're driving along,

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he, the standard phrase, the reluctant warrior. and i think he's played that long before this decision. look at all the vacillation over syria after drawing a red line and they cross the red line and suddenly he felt like he didn't want to use force and so forth. we've seen that time and time again. clearly this president wanted a legacy, right from the time he went, you know, went and got his nobel peace prize early on and leave the legacy of a man who got us out of wars and he's doing that willy-nilly in afghanistan. many of his critics think he should have left troops behind in iraq. now they want him to leave some troops behind in afghanistan. but he doesn't like -- he sees war as the last option. by contrast, he thinks george w. bush sort of often saw it as the first option. and he is -- what was striking, randi, was these dinners and meetings that he had shortly before the speech with foreign

policy experts, as well as some journalists -- >> i wanted to ask you about that. >> in his conversations -- yeah. it was interesting -- >> yeah, because well "the new york times" is reporting the president met with a couple of groups of columnists and foreign policy experts in the days before the speech as well and in the "times" peter baker spoke with people who was in those meetings and writes this. "he was acutely aware that the operation he was about to embark on would not solve the larger issues in that region by the time he left office. this will be a problem for the next president, mr. obama said, and probably the one after that." david, do you believe americans recognize and even agree with that view? >> i think americans are not uncertain. we tend to be a country that likes to get things over with quickly. you know, what is very, very striking is how far president obama has departed from what we call the powell doctrine, you know, colin powell was a supporter of his in 2008, 2012,

but colin powell has long believed in the powell doctrine, that is when you go in, go in with overwhelming force and get it done quickly and move on. that's what the americans will support. we've seen that over the long, long 13 years we've been now involved in conflicts in afghanistan and iraq that people have gotten very wary. they did want to get it over with. so when president obama talks about it may go on to my successor and even that person's successor, i -- that's not what americans like. but it may well be the case. it is worth remembering that under george w. bush, condi rice, secretary of state, kept arguing with regard to terrorism that this is going to be the work of a generation, and that looks more prescient now. >> let me ask you, why did mr. obama feel the need to end his speech really with lines from a standard stump speech? certainly his. i mean, we have the best yust universities, he said. talked about the auto industry

being strong, strong job creation. >> i thought that was peculiar and detracted some from his speech. the country is pretty blue right now. a number of people think we're on the wrong track. that's a standard polling question. has been very low for a long time. you know, we've had over ten years in which less than half the american people thought we were on the right track, so to claim that we're sort of -- have this sort of upbeat ending about how well we're doing with jobs and how we're leading the world, it doesn't resonate with what most americans now feel. aisle n i'm not saying he's wrong on the facts about the number of jobs but doesn't connect with the opinion. i thought that was odd, that ending to the speech. i thought the rest of the speech was, you know, very much -- i mean, newt gingrich has been making the argument on cnn, he thought george w. bush could have given that. i'm not sure i agree with that.

it was more bellicose than anything we've seen from president obama. >> yeah. certainly -- >> by the way, randi, one footnote. what was interesting, there's been this question, is the president uncertain? is he really -- does he really not want to this war against isis? and the people who came out of those meetings according to that account we read from peter baker today said he's all in. he's all in. and i think for some people, that's going to be reassuring. for allies who are trying to figure out, do i want to go with the united states or not, if they understand that he's all in, they're much more likely to go with us. >> well, we have a lot more to talk about. we're going to talk with you next hour as well, david. we could spend the whole hour talking about this. >> thank you. coming up, ray rice, just the beginning in what turned out to be a very rough week for the nfl. we'll talk about how the league can turn things around, right after a very quick break. so keep it here.

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the nfl has been in the news all week for everything except football. video surfaced that showed star running back ray rice striking his fiancee, video that just about everyone has now seen. this morning, president obama's chief of staff said that the

president was, woquote, shockedy what he saw. meantime, america's most popular sports league is back on the field this afternoon. one carolina panther was not. here's cnn's nick havalencia. >> reporter: burieied two iy ei on sunday, hardy inactive for sunday's matchup against the detroit lions. news posted on the carolina panthers' official twitter page hours before kickoff. important as much for what it said as what it didn't. >> the decision was made we believe this was in the best interest of the carolina panthers. >> we're not going to be talking about anything until afterwards. >> reporter: this summer hardy was convicted of domestic violence. he dragged his girlfriend from room to room by her hair then threatened to kill her after a long night of drinking. hardy says he's innocent and is appealing the decision. the panthers reserving judgment. >> we have worked extremely hard to build an organization of

integrity. >> reporter: at a recent awards event in charlotte, the team's owner, jerry richardson, choked back tears talking about the accusation against his player. >> i stand firmly against domestic violence, plain and simple. to those who have been too slow to act. i ask you consider not to be too quick to judge. >> reporter: hardy's deactivation becomes amid increasing pressure on the nfl and commissioner good swrnell. adrian peterson off the roster sunday after he was indicted on a child abuse charge. his lawyer says peterson never intended to harm his son. baltimore raven, ray rice, may never play again after a video was posted online that showed him punching his now-wife in february. designated franchise player by the team, hardy led the panthers

in sacks in 2013. in his five years in the nfl, hardy has made it to the pro bowl and twice been named conference defensive player of the week. but it's his actions off the field that at least for now are overshadowing his on-the-field accomplishments. nick valencia, cnn, atlanta. let me bring in terence moore to talk about this. he is a sports contributor to cnn.com and columnist for mlb.com. so, ray rice is suspended, greg hardy was deactivated. is the nfl finally, finally recognizing it has to change the way it handles the to midwedome violence issue? >> honor of the late joan rivers, can we talk? >> we're talking. >> let's talk about this in this sense. the only reason, for instance, the carolina panthers deactivated greg hardy today was because they didn't want to look absolutely silly. it all goes back to friday. you mentioned the minnesota thing with adrian peterson.

their star running back. but here's the thing about the carolina panthers. greg hardy was, as you mentioned before -- well, you probably didn't mention this part here. greg hardy was convicted during the summer of doing everything from strangling his girlfriend, that's what she alleged that he did, to throwing her on the bed of assault weapons. so up to this point, he still was allowed to play with the carolina panthers. so we shouldn't look at this as any great thing the carolina panthers did. the other thing is you have other teams out there that can't be embarrassed like the san francisco 49ers. they've got their star player, ray mcdonald, at least on defense, who during training camp, he was arrested for domestic violence. you know, there were marks on the arm. >> right. >> and also the neck of his girlfriend. but he's stale playing for the 49ers. >> and the team says they're still investigating. >> yeah, they say they're investigating, and when they said that we want due process, which translated into as long as he can help us win, he's going to be out there.

>> right. right. and hardy, of course, we should say he's awaiting a jury trial. he's appealing. that's probably why the team was saying he was able to play until today. listen, "usa today" keep a record of nfl player arrests and their account stands at 740 players arrested since the year 2000. does the nfl have a problem with player discipline, do you think? >> well, i've been covering the nfl since the late 1970s and always have been knuckle heads in this league, and in particular, i covered the oakland raiders in the 1980s with the "san francisco examiner." they kept the local police department quite busy. you didn't hear about this back then is because there was no cnn, there was no internet, and there was no camera phone. otherwise it would be exactly the same thing. >> lots of criticism certainly this week of nfl commissioner roger goodell, especially his original two-game suspension for ray rice. certainly seen by many as far

too lenient. now the questions about whether he did or did not see the elevator video of ray rice striking his then-fiancee. should goodell keep his job, do you think? >> well, in a fantasy world, he would is been gone a long time ago, because as you mentioned earlier, this was the worst week in history of the national football league. in the real world, he's not going anywhere. and that's because he makes these nfl owners too much money. "forbes" magazine released that the average nfl franchise last year was worth $1.4 billion. here's the big reason he's not going anywhere. roger goodell put together this group to allegedly investigate how the nfl handled this ray rice case. robert muller is in charge of it, the former fbi chief, but also you've got two prominent nfl owners at the top of this thing, and these are two of the top owners who support roger goodell. you do the figuring on that. >> yeah.

it's -- it's a lot to figure out for sure. no question about it. terence moore, nice to see you. thank you. >> thank you. >> happy sunday. >> same to you. you are in the "cnn newsroom." good evening, everyone, i'm randi kaye in new york. we begin with the global fight against isis and those willing to join the coalition that's beginning to fall into place. and optimistic secretary of state john kerry says a number of countries are prepared to engage in military assistance, but what about america's greatest ally, the uk? we have heard plenty of tough talk from british leader in recent weeks especially now in the wake of david haines' brutal murder. >> today, the whole country will want to express its deep sympathy for david haines' family. they have endured the last 18 months of david's captivity with