it's -- it's a lot to figure out for sure. no question about it. terence moore, nice to see you. thank you. >> thank you. >> happy sunday. >> same to you. you are in the "cnn newsroom." good evening, everyone, i'm randi kaye in new york. we begin with the global fight against isis and those willing to join the coalition that's beginning to fall into place. and optimistic secretary of state john kerry says a number of countries are prepared to engage in military assistance, but what about america's greatest ally, the uk? we have heard plenty of tough talk from british leader in recent weeks especially now in the wake of david haines' brutal murder. >> today, the whole country will want to express its deep sympathy for david haines' family. they have endured the last 18 months of david's captivity with extraordinary courage.

and now david has been murdered in the most callous and brutal way imaginable by an organization which is the embodiment of evil. we will hunt down those responsible and bring them to justice no matter how long it takes. >> more tough talk, but does haines' death move the needle politically and is the uk ready to step up now that they've lost one of their own? joining me now, cnn senior international correspondent ar wa damon in london for us, foreign editor for "the daily beast" christopher dickey joining me in new york, and cnn senior political analyst david gergen is with us as well. arwa, let me begin with you. we've heard tough talk from david cameron there. are other british politicians on the same page? >> that's what we have to wait and see to find out. he most certainly at this stage is trying to drum up what's been up until now severely lacking political support for more involvement when it comes to the overarching battle against isis

both in iraq and in syria. those two fights are going to be of two very different natures. there hasn't been a lot of appetite here to see the uk drawn back into another battle. the prime minister has, however, ruled out boots on the ground, but he did put forward a five-part strategy when it comes to trying to fight isis. not at this stage, though, committing to any sort of air strikes. that he still needs the political support for, but it does include sending more munitions, more military assistance to the kurdish fighters and the central iraqi government's security forces as well. it also includes, as he was saying, contributing to the u.s.-led military action, and also perhaps most critical of all, reinforcing the counterterrorism effort back home amongst the thousands of foreign fighters that have gone to the battlefield in syria and in iraq, alongside isis, are around 500 british nationals. >> david, as horrific as haines'

death is, with the other murders, how much will it add to pressure on congress to back the president now? >> i think it -- i don't think that david haines' execution is going to increase pressure on congress very much. there is another american being held, and if they execute him, it's going to put a lot of pressure on. the more these executions go on in general, i think it would strengthen public opinion in britain as well for cameron to do something. cameron has spoken out, used tough words. the actions he's taken so ly mo. he obviously has his eye on thursday's election for scottish independence. that's too close to call. if that vote comes down, british politics is going to be in an uproar in the weeks to come, because that is such a sharp break after 300 years and it's a big, big deal for cameron. >> chris, will haines' death

move the uk, do you think, to join the campaign in a bigger way? >> i think there's obviously an emotional component. people are angry, upset. they want to do something. whether they want to get involved in another middle eastern war, that's a big question. there's a problem for people in the uk and in the united states. they're looking at our allies in the region and saying, where are they? where are the turks, where are the saudis? where are any of our friends in the region? are they volunteering to send in stabilization forces? to send in combat troops? no. so i think the british are saying to themselves, we're very angry about this haines case. there may be more. we've got to do something. but we can't be the only ones to be doing zhisomething. you can't just have anglo saxon americans, brits. >> sunday, david cameron held this very special, very ur jent

meeting with his advisers. how soon do you think we could see cameron try to push for new action here? >> it's difficult to tell. those high-level communications are ongoing. there's also the realization that the uk is not insulated from the threat that is posed by isis. that was also one of the key points the prime minister was trying to make addressing the british public very directly saying this is a fanatical organization that plans attacks across europe. they've already tried to carry out attacks in the uk. and an isis defector we had spoken to a few weeks ago who had had interactions with some of the british foreign fighters that were with isis said that in what they were telling him, if they had the opportunity, they would carry out attacks back here in the uk. additionally, this isis defector believed that the organization was perhaps using a man of british origins or at least speaking in a british accent to

front those horrific execution to send a message out to others who, perhaps, were trying to reach the battlefield in syria and iraq, were unable to so and the message there being that there's no reason why they couldn't support isis, i.e. carry out attacks back in their home land. the big message, this is not just about a battle taking place in a foreign land in iraq and syria, but it is, in fact, a battle that very much could be taking place in the uk. >> chris, what about isis? i mean, does isis care it may be encouraging in its own sick way other countries to attack them? >> no, i think isis wants to be attacked. i think isis wants a really clearly defined war from its point of view in which it is standing against all the apostates and the nonmuslims by its definition in the world. so it's big enemy. i think this is loft in a lot of discussion. its big enemy is iran. the fact of the opposition of iran that enabled it to pull a lot of sunni forces around it

who are not necessarily going to be part of isis originally. so there's that element. that's the big focus for the moment. as the united states, britain, as other countries focus attention on it, isis will strike out at them as, in fact, we've seen with these beheadings. they'll also try and carry out terrorist actions in europe. we haven't even taulked about france, belgium, other places. and they'll try to do it in lts united states. now, the good news is is the united states is a lot more experienced now than it was in 2001 in fighting terrorism on its own turf. bad news is, this is a very slick group that has also learned a lot of lessons. >> david, could we, do you think, and is it a good idea, what do you make of possible alliances with iran and syria? >> that's going to be quite something. i think chris' analysis is spot on in both of his comments about where we are with the alliancal.

this issue of how we deal with assad is going to be absolutely critical. it's increasingly clear, as richard haas began arguing on this network after the president's speech, richard haas runs the council on foreign relations, and he said, look, it's syria where the big question marks are. we understand what the strategy is in iraq, but we haven't figured out how we're really going to get this done in syria. now there have been some -- there are various reports coming out that we want to arm the moderates but the moderates want us to go after assad and that they may even have a truce with isis unless we're willing to go after assad. that's what they really want to accomplish. so this is extraordinarily complex, and it's not clear yet that the united states or its friends, and we do have friends who wish us well, even though they're not committing a lot, whether we have a plan to figure out how are we really going it get these moderates train up and active fights who can bring down

isis, everyone agreeing air power alone can't do it? who's going to be our partner on the ground in syria, and are we going to do about assad? there's the looming question, the threat of isis -- that's another ultimate enemy for iran. these nuclear negotiations with iran, you know, the time -- the clock keeps ticking. they keep building. they keep running those centrifuges. we're getting closer to the edge with them. the u.s. hoped to get an agreement by now. we're a long, long, long way from any agreement on their nuclear program. >> certainly a lot more to discuss. plenty to talk about here. arwa damon, thank you very much. david, christopher, please stay with us. we'll talk more in just a moment. but first, it's a horror that few could imagine. learning their father, brother, or son had been beheaded by terrorists. today, the brother of david haines is speaking out about a man he calls just another bloke. >> my first reaction could be one of hatred.

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nearly 40 countries, that's how big the coalition has grown, aligned against the militant group called isis. secretary of state john kerry is overseas this weekend adding gulf and arab states to the coalition. the u.n. security council is unanimous in its condemnation of isis and includes permanent member, china. >> we have countries in this region, countries outside of this region, in addition to the united states, all of whom are prepared to engage in military assistance, in actual strikes if that is what it requires. there are some that are clearly prepared to take action in the air alongside the united states, and to do air strikes if that's what they're called on to do. >> back with me is christopher dickey, foreign editor of "the daily beast" and former presidential adviser, david gergen. let me start with you, here. the pentagon and cia estimates isis has 30,000 fighters mostly spread across syria and iraq.

right now the collective power of some 40 nations or so is coming together to take out this group of 30,000 people. we've seen mass killings of civilians and at least three brutal beheadings we've been discussing. is this group so vicious as to warrant this global effort to wipe them out? >> well, there are dissenting voices now who are weighing in on that very question. but i think the general consensus is that this group is dangerous. it's not just the 30,000 that's important. and i think chris dickey and i would agree that part of the isis strategy is to draw in a bigger coalition because they get more volunteers that way, build themselves up as the biggest jihadi organization in the world that seems to be -- it may be bone headed, but that seems to be their strategy. i think the other number to keep your eye on is how many people in isis have western passports? how many can come back into europe, how many can come into

the united states? because they really could -- you know, we've gotten much, much better at dealing with, and catching, terrorists. when you have that many who potentially can come at you, it presents real difficult fies fo our intelligence folks. >> chris, is isis really the real deal, if eyou will? tactically, military speaking? or are they just this violent, brutal group of thugs? >> they're definitely a violent, brutal group of thugs. the people at the top have a very shrewd sense of how their world operates. a much better sense than we do. this is one of the problems with the vast coalition. they thrive on this reflective glory as david was pointing out. here we are against the world. the world is essentially coming to us. yes, they're going to try to fight us, but how is that going to work? what needs to be understood is that the people, the countries in this coalition, in of them hate each other. let's put aside iran.

let's put aside syria's assad regime. the turks and the qataris do not like the saudis, the egyptians and the united arab emirates. they are not really on the same side. they're all saying, yes, we're against isis, but they're against each other, too. so that's a very, very difficult team of rivals for the obama administration or secretary kerry to try and pull together. and it's one reason that we've got such really a nonmittcommit alliance. >> onestrangest coalitions if it comes together. president obama ran on getting out of bush's wars. now he's talking about coalitions and fighting in iraq. is it strange for you to hear this? >> absolutely. i don't think anybody anticipated -- they didn't anticipate. a few months ago this was the jv team we were talking about in his view and suddenly an imminent threat in words of his

defense secretary. i think it's been a big surprise. the intelligence community didn't pick up on this. i've been surprised about that. had we had more people on the ground in iraq, i think we could have anticipated this before, but we didn't. here we are. i think the president now has no choice. he has put his cards on the table. once you start taking the kind of action he does, you give a primetime speech, go to the u.n. and get your coalition put together, this becomes a major, major undertaking for the rest of his presidency. and i dare say it's going to be an issue in the 2016 campaign, how this is going, what kind of strategy has been developmented. it's going to have consequences well beyond what we understand now. one of the things, for example, i don't know where chris is on this, but i've been very curious, we keep talking about the american strategy. what is the isis strategy? after all, this is not a static group. they're going to figure some things out, too, to cause us pain in various places. i'm just very curious, i just about heard many people sort of

talk authoritatively about that question. >> chris, you want to quickly weigh in? >> i think isis may be overreaching. they are playing this game. it's largely a media game. they may have 30,000 people that nominally are with them, but really they're trying to play this game on international opinion as well as on the ground and especially in the muslim world. but part of their strength is their money. if the offensive against them can take away their oil revenues -- this is a terrorist group with oil revenues. if you can take that away, if you can take away the extortion, the kidnapping, some of these elements so they don't have all that money, and if you can take away from them the idea they have all this momentum, then you can start to squeeze them and shrink them. part of the problem here is the president won't say or is afraid to stay what really is the policy, which is to manage isis, not to destrzedestroy it. you're going to destroy a

terrorist group any more than you can destroy drug dealers or crime. now we've gotten into the lodge ixic of war where everything has to be this ratcheted up rhetoric and destroy and dismantle l and chase them to the gates of hell. >> he said manage. >> he did. >> backfired on him. >> exactly. that's my point. >> then came destroy. >> he gets crucified for it. >> absolutely. listen, booth of you, stay with us. much more to talk about. felt a little bit like 2016 in iowa today in case you were watching. watch this. >> hello, iowa. i'm back. [ cheers and applause ] >> yes, just a little like 2016. or maybe 2012. i don't know. yes, the crowd was hanging on hillary's every word waiting to see if she'd say those magic words, i'm running for president. [announcer] word is getting out.

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in iowa today, it wasn't just about the beef. the big story at senator tom harkin's steak fry fund-raiser today was the appearance of hillary clinton. iowa is the first state in the presidential nomination process, and by headlining today's event with her husband, bill, hillary clinton fueled more speculation about 2016 run.

she admitted to the iowans in attendance, yes, she does have 2016 on her mind. >> well, it is true, i am thinking about it. [ cheers ] but, but for today, that is not why i'm here. i'm here for the steak. >> clinton will have work to do in iowa if she runs. in fwa2008, she finished third caucus voting behind president obama and former north carolina governor john edwards. let's bring back our senior political analyst david gergen. he has advised presidents nixon, ford, reagan, and clinton. david, political types get all excited about the iowa steak fry, but i know some viewers are saying, is it really time to start talking presidential politics? what's the answer? >> this is the buzz time.

we're in the buzz phase of the campaign, where the idea is if you can create some buzz, it keeps things alive, keeps people interested then you come back with real substance later on. i think she helped herself today. in contrast to the book tour, randi, you know, which had decidedly mixed results, she came to this today and she seemed comfortable. she was humorous. the "i'm back" line was terrific. i think she was sort of -- she showed a little ankle, as they like to say in politics. and i think it worked. well, here's what's interesting for this. is she really going to get into the midterms? i mean, she was out campaigning for the iowa senate campaign for the democrat, braley out there. if she's going to throw her weight in the midterms, that's going to be a big test because it's uphill in a number of these states. i would be surprised if she risks too much. on the other hand, she's going to be under pressure to do more then after going to iowa to go to other states like north carolina and help kay hagan or something like that. >> right.

>> or go to georgia and help michelle nunn. this is very interesting now, after iowa, what's next for hillary? >> she was supposed to win the iowa caucuses back in 2008, until a senator named barack obama came along into iowa and upset her plans certainly. could it happen again? is there any name out there that you can suggest could knock her off her game? >> nobody is apparent at the moment. you know, i think a lot depends on her health and vitality. today she seemed positive and healthy on all fronts. o'malley i think is a potential possibility, but i would -- here's the dark side. president obama, you know, barack obama the candidate upset her plans in 2008. is president obama in his new war against isis, if that does not go well, will that reflect badly on her in 2016? hard question. don't know. too early to say. >> yeah.

could you peak too early, do you think? >> yes. absolutely. and i think what she has to be careful about is clinton fatigue. she's going to have to do -- she's got a good sense of timing, but she's going to have to be quite, quite careful. too much -- i thought she had too much television during her book tour. and people sort of started hitting the mute button. so she's got to do this carefully and space it out, but she's got to turn to substance pretty soon. you know, she's going to have to start talking about the future. her book tour was about the past. soon she's got to start focusing on what would she do as president and why could she succeed in breaking this gridlock? that's a very, very big question for anybody who wins this next election. >> yeah. certainly. listen, we've been talking about hillary, but before i let you go, i want to ask you about the nfl commissioner. someone who could lose his job. he's had a very rough week.

roger goodell. is former secretary of state condi rice, is she going to be the next nfl commissioner? that's what a lo t of people ar wondering. >> she loves football. when she was at stanford, she went to every game at home and away. she would make an ideal commissioner, but you know, they also have give thought to the structure of this job. there's a very big question about whether roger goodell has too much discretion, and whether it will be better for -- to explore alternative ways of doing this. so condi's smart enough to think about that if she gets the job. but certainly roger goodell, he may survive. he's a very good man, but he's in a lot of trouble right now. this league, even is in a lot of trouble. >> certainly is. david gergen, thank you so much. >> okay. randi, thank you. just a few months ago, most of us had never heard of isis. now the u.s. is launching a huge

offensive operation against those terrorists, but some think this group just can't keep going the way it is. and later, the nfl is wrapping up its worst week in recent memory. a few stars were off the field, and the commissioner finds his job. as we all know, in jeopardy. fact.

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it is a terror campaign that sends chills down the spine of people in many countries, but are we giving isis too much credit? today on cnn's "state of the union" with candy crowley, white house chief of staff, dennis mcdonough, talked about why he feels isis will fail. >> isil will do anything it can to strike terror and fear into

its opponents, but ultimately that's why we're going to beat them. they stand for nothing but what they can destroy. not for anything that they can build. that's exactly what prime minister cameron was saying this morning. and that's why ultimately the united states, with this coalition effort, muslim states, sunni states, part of that effort, will ultimately not only degrade this capability with isil but destroy isil itself because it stands for nothing. >> let me bring back christopher dickey, foreign editor for "the daily beast." is isis too violent, too ruthless, too radical to survive? >> no. >> no? >> i wish that were true. i wish dennis mcdonough were right, but he's completely wrong. we're trying to impose our values system, our beliefs, our framework, our national view of things on a part of the world that doesn't see anything the way we see it. the values in the middle east are not better or worse, but

they are very, very different than they are in the united states. all this talk of democracy, all this talk of what's good, what's bad, isis understands the symbolism, the semiyotices, if you will, much, much better than we do. democracy is a hollow word. beheading is an old practice. remember, it's practiced in saudi arabia as part of their legal system. it's horrible to us. it's religious justice to them. and while there are millions of muslims who don't believe in that, there are enough in place, in embattled places like iraq and ssyria, that isis will attract them and build on top of their commitment. >> i think there are two schools of thought on that. some do say the beheading videos will attract those who are young and want to be radicalized. our cnn senator security correspondent peter bergen said the beheadings of westerners, they're really the beginning of the end because it makes isis look to brutal that people are

so turned off from this. >> look, we think that sunni farmers in iraq in syria, they really care about james foley, or steven sotloff, or david haines? no. they don't give a damn about them. if they're going to give a damn about people being beheaded, it will be their neighbors, the yezidis, shiites, christians beheaded by the groups. that did not alien that those people from isis. fear and opportunism that isis exploits in that area. pronouncements from london, pronouncements from washington about the morality or immorality of isis are not going to take us very far. >> what about the direct threats from isis to the u.s.? do we know if there are any? >> look, isis' game is to inspire terrorism, not just to carry it out and direct it. already when prime minister

cameron spoke, he was talking about a particular incident in brussels where you had a guy who was with isis, he was a frenchman who was with isis who with a jailer of some frenchman being held by terrorist groups in syria. and he goes back to brussels and murdered four people at a jewish museum in brussels. that happened may 24th, before the fall of mosul, before everybody was shocked and woke up about isis. he was already killing people for isis in europe. it's not like this is a theoretical thing. people have already brought the war home. >> christopher dickey, nice to see you. not the best news from you, of s course. >> i wish i could be more upbeat. >> i wish you could, too. maybe next time. thank you. the nfl is supposed to own september, a month when every team has a shot at the super bowl. instead, we're talking about player rest, domestic violence, hitting kids with switches. ahead, we'll look at whether the nfl can really bounce back. sweet! spicy! savory! enjoy it all...

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nfl teams headed back to the field today finally able to focus on the game, instead of the league's off the field troubles. a quartet of players made headlines this week for all the wrong reasons. ray rice video, adrian peterson arrest, and players ray mcdonald and greg hardy saw their recent arrests in the spotlight as well. it adds up to one of the league's worst weeks ever. here's cnn's alexander field. >> reporter: it's game day, and the nfl is taking the heat. online, a popular hash tag, #boycottnfl, also this photo shot version of the cover girl ad for the nfl makeup line altered to show a woman with a black eye. the commissioner, himself, roger goodell is being called out by a women's group with plans to fly banner planes with the message, goodell must go, over several nfl stadiums. and in minnesota, the vikings take on the patriots for the first home game of the season without their star player. running back adrian peterson is

out of the game. he's in the middle of a seven-year deal with the team worth a whopping maximum of $100 million. his face is on today's tickets, but it's also in yesterday's mugshot. >> obviously parents are entitled to discipline their children as they see fit. except for when that discipline exceeds what the community is say is reasonable. >> reporter: peterson is out on $15,000 bond following an indictment by a texas grand jury on a felony charge. his attorney says he's accused of using a switch to spank his son, but he goes on to defend peterson saying, "adrian is a loving father who used his judgment as a parent to discipline his son. he used the same kind of discipline with his child that he experienced as a child growing up in east texas." the nfl is reviewing the case the same week they took action to indefinitely suspend the baltimore ravens star running back, ray rice. this weekend, rice made a brief

return to the football field. on the sidelines at his high school's football game. his wife, janay rice, by his side. it's the first time they've been seen publicly since video of the athlete attacking his then-fiancee was made public. >> ray is a part of our family, and a part of this program, and that's why i'm very happy he's here today because because he made a mistake and he made a very terrible mistake, but i know the character of the man and he will rise from this. >> reporter: alexandra fields, cnn, new york. here's one solution for the problem. zero tolerance. any player charged with a crime, suspend them from the game? would it work, do you think? we'll talk about that with former nfl all-pro algi crumples r and broadcasting legend, pat o'brien. guys! you're not gonna believe this!

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nfl football, it fills stadiums, bars, and owners' pockets like no other sport in america, but lately, the nfl is filling airwaves and internet sites with reports of domestic violence. especially the incident involving ray rice. why is the league so inconsistent with punishment? new york senator kirsten gillibrand is 1 of 16 female senators calling for nfl commissioner roger goodell to allow zero toll lanerance for domestic violence. >> well, initially i want him to lead the reform to actually create and enforce a ze

zero-tolerance policy. if he's lied to the american people, he has to step down because he won't have the force of authority to change how they address these issues. >> joining me now, broadcasting legend, pat o'brien, the bestselling author of "i'll be back right after this." and former nfl player and host of "acc gridiron live," alge crumpler. good to see you guys. pat, i'm going to start with you here. how could roger goodell get it so wrong. >> first of all, alge, let's get off on a good start, go duke. i know you're a carolina guy. go, duke blue devils. that's all i get is a smile? i don't think, first of all, a number of things -- thanks for having me on. you know, first of all, ray rice is never going to play in the nfl again. roger goodell is going nowhere. i mean, the league has made, since he's been commissioner, not the $10.8 billion. there will be no boycott of the nfl. people are not going to do that. there will be no zero tolerance. the biggest fear for the nfl is

what you just said there, randi. you guys nailed it today with those interviews. that was on "face the nation." you guys had one, too. they do not want to be in front of congress. they are a tax-exempt organization. they do not want to be brought up on that issue, and you don't want to see anybody in the nfl racing their right hand. that's the big issue. >> alge, you played ten years in the league. are players being held to a higher standard, do you think, than the owners and the commissioner? >> well, i think the players understand that they can't mess up in a national football league because it's always been a right and a privilege to play, but for me, you know, the commissioner is right at the center of this. that's why we have a crisis of leadership. i can't understand a league where players are disciplined, but the commissioner can just walk free in the midst of all of these unfortunate situations that are happening off the field. >> pat, why don't you think the nfl would adopt a zero-tolerance policy for domestic violence? >> it's just not going to be

easy. i mean, they should. i think they should, but let me tell you something. this is -- this is not an nfl problem so much as it is a national systemic, or endemic problem with child abuse. or spousal abuse. i just think that with all the players there, and with the players union, alge will agree with me, they're very, very strong. it would be almost impossible -- you guys reported 700, 800 players were arrested for various crimes over the past year, and under goodell's watch, there's been about 75. but, you know, it's just -- i don't think that's going to happen. i don't think they'll go that far. they're supposed to wear purple next month for spousal abuse. you know, that's window dressing. but, you know, the issue at hand right now, we'll get to adrian peterson, i hope, and all these oth other players, these are consequences and there's no punishment. >> here's what i know about the players. the players, you know, they're open to be critical of other players on other teams, but it's

very hard for them to be critical of players on their own team. i dealt with this back in 2007 when michael vick was dealing with the whole dogfighting allegations. a lot of us didn't know how to open up and be critical of one of our own teammates because with 16 games, we just didn't understand how to deal with that. and now you're seeing players step out and be critical of roger goodell. you're seeing players step out and be critical of other players on other teams. until players can stand up, you know, for everybody's rights and be critical of their own players on their own team, i think we'll move forward on these issues. >> you know the other movement, randi, there has been is that usually the networks who carry the nfl, like fox, cbs, nbc, would stay away from anything controversial about the nfl. i worked at the nfl today. we were told never to do this. this week there has been a sea change of attitude toward that. the big, bad wolf is no longer the big, bad wolf. everybody's done tremendous openings of their pregame shows, talking about these issues. >> right. >> and i'm very surprised that

that happened this week. >> let me ask you, alge, what do you think is the bigger issue for the nfl right now? is it domestic violence, or is it concussion? >> right now i think it's the >> you know as a former player, i still crave the big hit in a football game, but when you're having women turned off to the game of football and not wanting to watch the game of football anymore, that's where the crisis lies. if you can get people to stop watching football games, stop spending their money towards football and the revenue goes down. that's where the crisis lies for me. >> and we certainly didn't see that happening this week. we saw plenty of women wearing ray rice's jersey and supporting him. pat though, how much blame do you think we should pin on the nfl owners, what's their role in this? >> well roger goodell is an employee, like the rest of us. unless ally is owns -- alge owns

cnn, he's made them a lot of money, he's done a lot of things for them. the owners have to step up, find out what they think. but look, on the spousal abuse, girlfriend abuse, there is no other side to that story. you hit somebody, you should be gone. you hit somebody with a fist, you should be gone. pull somebody down the stairs by their hair and you're 6'4", 275 pounds, gone. there should be, there's no other story to hitting a woman. i mean come on. >> and you shouldn't need a videotape for it. >> there you go. there you go. thank you for pointing out that, alje crumper will, nice to see you, thank you so much. pat, stay with me here. the nfl has take an beating. is it time to sack the commissioner? we're going to talk about whether goodell's days are numbered straight ahead. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be... one-seventy-five a month.

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some final thoughts now on the nfl story. commissioner roger goodell is the focus of much of the criticism. what did the commissioner know about the ray rice incident, when did he know it, and is his job in jeopardy? back with me is pat o'brian. pat, if goodell lied about the ray rice video and rice's version of the elevator incident, do you think he should resign? >> well, yes, i do think he should resign. he's not going to. the nfl makes too much money. he's been a great commissioner by the way, the most punitive

commissioner ever, but i think there'll be a massive call for him to quit. that doesn't make sense in the way the nfl works, it's the owners who have to take responsibility for that, not roger. but also, don't forget this, the owners have got to step up and do this. it's not roger's an employee as i said earlier. and then who will replace him? there's too much on the plate for this commissioner to leave, but it's the law enforcement in new jersey that was the problem here. they should have acted immediately and they did not. and that's another place we ought to turn our thoughts to. >> how though is this different, sticking with the nfl, how is this different from the michael vick incident? is this the biggest threat do you think the nfl has faced? >> well, no. the biggest threat they'll face will be going before congress, but michael vick, don't forget was convicted. he went through the justice system. served i think 18 months in prison. he came back, he was wall to wall news, he came back and now

he's a contributes to that community. this is, that wasn't covered up either. the law enforcement there took care of that, he went in, and went to prison for i think 18 months. don't hold me on that number. this one has gone on for months, new jersey authorities didn't do it, either they didn't get them the tape or he did saw the tape, as i said earlier on this network. it's inconceivable to me that roger goodell didn't see the tape. they see everything, they know everything, they're listening to us right now. i mean, they know what they're doing over there. so i'm very surprised that if he lied, i'm very surprised that he would lie about this. but there's no way he didn't see the tape. >> with all that's going on though, i mean, what about the sponsors? at some point are they going to start to bail on the nfl? >> reality is, how are you going to turn down a super bowl commercial? with that many people watching, the reality is madison avenue is making money as well. reality is, any, you know, sponsors for the players will go

like nike's always the first people to be responsible in this and get rid of the player contracts, but the network sponsors, there's too many people watching. the nfl is the number one tv show sunday night. it beats american idol, it's the number one tv show on thursday night, it's the number one tv show all day sunday. i mean, come on. the reality of network television and the economics of it, that doesn't make any sense. they're not going anywhere. and you know, they tried with donald sterling, and how long did that last? a week. come on, it's not going to happen. >> yeah. well i think a lot of people would like to see it happen, but it's certainly not. pat o'brian, thank you. nice to chat with you. >> spending another sunday with you, randy. the hunt starts in just a couple of minutes, but first the headlines making news around the world. sec stair of state john kerry saying today that countries in the middle east are willing to help with strikes against isis, but it remains unclear which countries are on the list and the precise role that they will play.

kerry's statements come just as isis beheaded a third british captive. his brother spoke out today reflecting on haines's life and dedication to humanitarian aid. american matthew miller has been found guilty of hostile acts by north korea and sentenced to six years of hard labor. he's been detained on unspecified charges since april, he went on a tourist visa. but what happened next is still pretty unclear according to state run media. he ripped up a that visa and shouted his desire to seek asylum. the hurnl is churning towards the baja peninsula. threatening to slam powerful winds and heavy rains. forecasters warn the storm could strengthen significantly overnight. a dangerous storm surge is expected to bring major flooding to mexico's pacific coast, but drought ravaged california is not expected to benefit at all from the storm.

pennsylvania state police today released photos of the two officers shot outside a police barracks friday night. corporal byron dixon was killed, trooper alex douglas remains in the hospital. he is stable, but critical. the two men were reportedly ambushed. nobody's been arrested yet. police don't know a motive and warning people that a dangerous criminal is on the loose, possibly still in northeast pennsylvania. well, she is not officially a candidate for president in 2016, i know you know who i'm talking about, hillary clinton showed up today at arguably the most important political hob knobbing event of the year. she and former president bill clinton helped iowa senator tom harkin host his 37th and final steak fry fundraiser. she came from the steak. he's not running for reelection, it's the first time she has been in iowa since she finished a disappointing third in that 2008 presidential caucus right there.

i'm randy kay in new york, right now, a six hour marathon of the hunt with john walsh begins, what could drive a man to murder his entire family? the hunt starts right now. back in 1981, i had the american dream, the beautiful wife, the house in the suburbs, and a beautiful six-year-old son. and one day i went to work, kiss my son good-bye, never saw him again. in two weeks i became the parent of a murdered child and i'll also be the parent of a murdered child. i still have the heart ache, i still have the rage, i waited years for justice, i know what it's like to be there waiting for some answers. and over those years, i learned how to do one thing really well. and that's how