now. >> announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo, kate boldaun, and michaela perrera. >> welcome to "new day," it is tuesday, september 16th, we begin with breaking news on four big fronts. first, the war against isis has definitely begun, the u.s. going on the offensive in iraq, launching air strikes against the extremists 20 miles from baghdad. news of a different war against ebola. fears of an outbreak in the u.s. has the president set to announce a containment plan that will send americans to west africa. and we're learning more about a u.s. citizen alleged to be a serial killer out to avenge the deaths of muslims in the middle east. by killing americans. so why isn't the united states so far labelling him a terrorist? all of this while the taliban is now taking credit for a car bomb overnight near the entrance of the u.s. embassy in kabul.

we're tapping into the global resources of cnn to bring you the very latest on all of this breaking news this morning. let's begin with pentagon correspondent barbara starr. we had weeks of calm in afghanistan, we thought the turmoil there was political. and now a deadly blast in the heart of the capital. what do we know? >> it seems to never end. nato alliance is saying that three members came under, three military members of the alliance came under attack and were killed in a suicide bomb attack in kabul. pictures show smoke filling the sky, the aftermath of the attack, as is nato practice at this point. are not identifying those who were killed or their nationalities, but it is the latest attack in the capital where they are struggling still in that government to select a new leader for that country. chris in. >> i know we keep saying it, barbara, about situations being

one to watch, but afghanistan could very easily go the wrong way very quickly so we will keep watching that. now take us through the news about what seems to be the war in isis in earnest, 20 or so kilometers from baghdad. what do we know? >> just southwest of baghdad, a different type of attack than what we've been seeing, u.s. airplanes struck an isis target when iraqi forces said they were coming under attack, the isis militants were firing on them. they called for help, u.s. air strikes rolled in. this is a different type of attack. this is air power coming to the defense of iraqi forces, calling it mission creep, call it mission expansion, call it will start of the war, call it whatever you want. a very different mission from u.s. troops. you up until now they've only undertaken air strikes to protect u.s. forces, u.s. personnel or to conduct the humanitarian missions safely. now we see the next step being

taken, u.s. air strikes to protect iraqi forces in the field as they fight against isis militants. this will be the first step down a very long road in iraq. chris? >> barbara, thank you very much. we'll check in with you again to find out any updates on what happened with those nato casualties and what's going on with the bombing. kate? president obama is going to be tackling two big national security issues today, first, isis. this morning he'll be meeting with his presidential envoy for isis, retired general john allen, as top defense officials are set to face some very tough questions from the senate armed services committee on the administration's policy toward the militant group. senior white house correspondent jimt acosta is joining us from the white house on the developments, what are we expecting today? >> later this morning president obama does meet with the man he's tab tapped to coordinate the global international mission against isis, john allen.

and senior administration officials say expect more of that to come. u.s. and coalition forces won't be signaling who or what will be targeted next or when on the administration efforts to build the forces, several countries could issue press releases today, but the white house indicating that the pub will see a roll-out of the mission especially around the president's trip to the u.n. next week. as for the air strikes expected to come on ice nis syria, a senior administration official says syrian president, bashar al assad, would be making a big mistake if he intervened, any attacks on war planes would prompt a military response according to senior military officials. >> and the president himself will be pivoting to another huge other which a lot of people aren't talking about at the moment. big announcements on the u.s.'s involvement on the fight against ebola. what are you hearing there?

>> the president has been under pressure even from some democrats to step up efforts against ebola in africa. he's heading to the cdc later today. let's roll through some of what the administration talking about. they're going to plan and construct treatment centers that could house up to 1700 beds for patients and this is significant, an american military personnel surge will be going into the region, that could increase up to 3,000 american military personnel, all of whom will be led by a u.s. general who will be leading the effort. delaware senator, a democrat, was saying the president is not doing enough to go after ebola this morning. he said he was impressed with a display of military power going into west africa to deal with

ebola. before the president heads to centcom, he'll have a meeting with leading military officials. two big battles on the president's plate in the next 48 hours. >> it shows how serious this threat is, at this point and how serious the disease is spreading in that country. in west africa. jim acosta at the white house, thank you. for many, the real fear at home is still about terrorism. especially home-grown attacks. an alleged serial killer driven by hate for his own country. we're learning more about ali mohammed brown, a u.s. citizen who said he was out to avenge the deaths of muslims in the middle east, when he allegedly killed four of his fellow citizens. prosecutors have not called him a terrorist yet, but the question is, why not? let's get to pamela brown, following developments for us in washington, what you do you understand about this, pamela?

>> authorities are still investigating this case. but we've been looking at court documents we obtained. the defendants in the case made chilling statements to authorities said he was on a mission to exact revenge in the u.s. killing four americans, raising concerns of terrorism on u.s. soil. police say the man seen here in handcuffs is 29-year-old ali mohammed brown, the prime suspect in a killing spree stretching from new jersey to washington state. motivated by brown's hatred of u.s. foreign policy. court documents say brown told investors he strictly follows the muslim faith and had become angry with the quote evil the government was allowing to take place the u.s. he said my mission is vengeance for the lives lost every day. sir yarks iraq, afghanistan, all of these places where innocent lives are being taken every single day. so a life for a life.

police say between april and june this year, brown killed three people in washington state, shooting them late at night in quiet locations, execution-style. a few weeks later in new jersey, 19-year-old college student was found dead inside his suv from multiple gunshot wounds, police say they traced the gun used in all of these killings to brown. >> when we bury somebody like that, 19 years old, we don't have any answers. >> brown's previous run-ins with the law, a conviction for bank fraud in 2004 had put him on the fbi's radar. at the time the reports say the fbi tried unsuccessfully to link the case to fundraising for terrorists in africa. while authorities aren't labelling brown a terrorist or charging him under federal terrorism statutes there are allegations that brown's bloody crusade to kill americans are raising questions. >> i think you could prove this a terrorism offense. that doesn't necessarily determine if it should be

prosecuted in federal court or state court. >> right now brown faces state murder charges, which carry a possible life sentence. and in washington state he faces the death penalty. authorities could still bring additional charges, including terrorism charges. in his initial court appearance, brown pleaded not guilty. we did reach out to his attorney and are awaiting comment back. chris? >> the question is, is he just delusion delusional, or was he recruited. we'll bring in cnn national security analyst and former assistant secretary of the department of homeland security and mr. paul kruck shank, co-author of "agent storm: my life inside al qaeda and the c.i.a." start with you, julia. this is the risk, this is the fear, talking about isis specifically. that they will recruit here and you have that versus well maybe they're not actively recruiting. but the idea of them creates one-offs or lone wolves.

when you see something like this that happened with brown, how do you analyze it? >> first you look to the facts that we have sore facts and circumstances which is brown seems to be self-identifying with an organization that he probably had no contact with and so one of the reasons why the prosecutors may be keeping a terrorism charge away from this case is it is simply because it's easier to prosecute him for murder than for terrorism charges. in a state court it's clear that he murdered these four people. the investigation will continue to see whether he had any contact with isis or isil or any other organization. but there's going to be a lot of people who identify with isis, who have had no relation with isis, that are just angered by what's going on in the world and they will be prosecuted under normal criminal law. because we can put them behind bars for that. >> or, he's just a sicko who was looking for some grand idea that motivated his otherwise simple violence. but paul, here's why it's

relevant -- because to the regular person, i don't get isis, isil, deep in the weeds about syria and iraq and all of these arab states, but here's what i get -- they want to kill me here and they're going to turn my own against me. this is something that specifically is playing out in britain right now because of the coward with the mask on in the isis videos with the knife. because the belief is this is a regular londoner who was somehow turned. is that a naive interpretation, or a real threat? >> there are a thousand westerners with isis, most of them europeans, these are trained killers and the worry is they could return to the west and launch attacks, that's not just a theoretical concern. back in may there was an attack on a brussels museum, a jewish museum by a french isis fighter who had been holding hostages in syria, came back to europe. killed four people in a terrorist attack there in the museum. >> two different types of westerners, juliette. i mean this just in terms of

theoretically for this discussion, cases in the u.s., three women in minnesota are missing, rumored to have joined isis. another young woman in colorado, another young man in new jersey, this guy, ali brown. attributed to isis online. here's the risk -- two different types of westerners, are they people who came from somewhere else, moved here, but had some lingering sympathies and were low-hanging fruit for extremist organizations? or are they real, minted americans who are somehow turned by propaganda that isis uniquely conveys? which is it? >> maybe both, chris and i think we're going to see a lot of these different cases emerge. because of isis' success in the social media sort of world. isis appears stronger, scarier, more of a threat to the homeland because it's infiltrating us through social media facebook, twitter. they've been incredibly successful in this regard. they're using it as a way to

make themselves seem very strong, which they are. but to seem like they're next door. and also, to get recruits so we're going to see this because of isis' success and sophistication in a way that al qaeda never was. al qaeda was much more disciplined in its recruitment. we're going to see a lot more of this. whether it's people who are from there, who get recruited, or americans here, who are looking for a larger meaning and find something in isis appealing. >> i'm going to come back to you for one last quick take on ebola. i want to get a sense of the scope of the threat. but paul let me ask you this -- here's a little bit of cynicism. with al qaeda, we didn't hear about it because you're constantly minimizing and mitigating al qaeda. saying they're nothing, they're nothing, they're nothing, with isis it seems there's no push that these are the worst guys in the history of the world. coincidentally goes hand in hand with the novel campaign to attack them. how legit is this basic respect that isis is being given that

we, you know are constantly talking about what to call them. right name, they're better online than anybody else. is that true are are we hyping them? >> isis has potential frightening capabilities to launch attacks, what they've not done is plot attacks here. this is a group with frightening capability, 1,000 westerners in their ranks, tens of millions of dollars, training camps on a scale last seen from the taliban in afghanistan. the europeans are worried about this, the emergence of a terrorist state on the southern shore of the mediterranean. >> it's real, it's worthy of the unified strategy, i got you. >> juliette, quickly, the ebola plan from the president, sending 3,000 there the risk is that it comes here. how real is the risk at this point? >> the risk is probably not very real. but thank goodness for this initiative, because the risk is just the entire disruption of the african continent based on a real threat. >> i ask you, because you dealt

with h1n1 when you were with homeland security. >> yes. >> i'll come back to you on ebola as the threat evolves, as will all the threats at some point. juliette, paul, thank you very much. let's get you to mick with the headlines. good morning, everyone, as deadly fighting continues in eastern ukraine. ukrainian parliament has granted broad concessions to the rebels in eastern ukraine, proposed by president poroshenko to create special status. amnesty for rebel fighters, allows the region to form deeper ties with russia. two more states have reported cases of respiratory virus that is hospitalizing children across the nation, montana and alabama have each reported one case of evd-68, the virus has been causing severe breathing problems in some children, especially those with

asthma. the centers for disease control has confirmed cases of the virus in seven other states and several more have tests pending and are testing the patients for the virus. some 1500 firefighters are battling a large wildfire near sacramento, california. officials say the king fire has more than doubled in size over the past 24 hours. this scorched more than 8,000 acres, extreme heat and high winds and the ongoing drought in california fueling the fire. it's one of 11 major wildfires currently burning right now across california. something else california has got to worry about, owe diehl, now a tropical storm grinding up mexico's baja, california peninsula. it proposes serious danger over the next day or two with the potential for life-threatening flooding. they say the weather department says they are expecting flooding in southwest united states region.

it made landfall sunday, forcing thousands to evacuate, it closed the peninsula's two main airports and caused widespread damage no word on when flights might restart. obviously that's a big tourist location there. i'm hearing some stories from folks that cnn has talked about hearing the roar of the wind coming through, palm trees snapping over. a real mess. not the vacation some people were looking for. >> hopefully they get blue skies right after the storm passes. >> that's just what happens in between. u.s. air strikes hitting isis positions near baghdad, signaling a new phase in the fight against isis. we're going to look at the risks expanding the mission, jond iraq, into syria. and the war within the nfl, the vikings welcome back adrian peterson, even as there are reports of a second child abuse accusation and ray rice set to appeal his suspension. we'll tell you what the nfl is

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that peterson was involved in a second alleged incident of abuse involving a different son. a different child. cnn has not been able to independently confirm detail, which is important to say, but through his attorney peterson denies this report. but the running back will be back on the field this weekend as the team begins to feel the fallout over the controversy. radisson hotels, a big sponsor of the team has suspended sponsorship with the vikings for now, all of this as former baltimore raven, ray rice, is expected to appeal his indefinite suspension from the nfl by midnight tonight. lots to discuss. let's bring in former nfl agent, professor of sports management along with former nfl player, george martin. a lot to get to. this continues to play out, but it also, there seems to be twists and turns every morning that we need to discuss, i want to talk to you first about adrian peterson and what appears from the outside to be quite a

quick turn-around. they sideline them and just as quickly he's going to be back on the field this weekend. what does this mean? why does it seem like such a head-fake, if you will? >> on some level it's a fairly modest charge. it sounds bad, it's child abuse, but it's a fairly modest charge, but the facts are not in dispute that he disciplined his child. the question is how severe it was and whether he has a defense. my sense he's not a danger to anyone else in the locker room, it's a question of putting him back on the field and he is a star player. >> george, there seems to be a haphazard application of the player conduct rules. you've got a six-game suspension that goodell put in place, and that was supposed to deal with domestic awe bus, assault, all types of things, but it seems to not have been applied in either of these real high-profile cases. >> the process seems to be helter skelter that leads to the no solution.

but when we talk about child abuse, it's a matter of semantics in his mind. what we're calling abuse, he's calling discipline. where is the dividing line? >> shot arbiter of that? when it comes to a player in the nfl? >> in this case, in adrian peterson's case, it is the law. that's why they're waiting to see how it plays out in the courts. one of the things -- we talk about this before, it's a cultural dynamic as well. when i grew up as i said in my newly released book on page 16, we talk about the best beating i ever got in my life, it didn't come from my parents it came from a teacher. >> how does that -- it's two worlds colliding. you've got sports, you've got these, you've got such a great player in adrian peterson, you've got ray rice and the personal lives that these guys are role models, that's a real thing, they hold themselves up as role models, when you become a star in the nfl, you're a role model. this misapplication kind of the process, is it helping anyone? >> here's the narrative now, the

original narrative was outrage because of what was taken place, and then it shifted to roger goodell and how he mishandled the situation? >> by his own admission he has mishandled the situation. if you look at what happened yesterday, he is making amends by having sweeping changes to player conduct policies as it treelts sexual assault, and also domestic abuse. so now i think we're moving in the right direction to get something substantive and positive implemented with these ball players. >> part of the change that's been announced is four female executives being brought in to consult with goodell on issues of domestic violence and sexual assault is that window dressing? >> it looks like it at the moment. that's one of the problems the league is suffering from. they keep making a move into a move. i think i agree with george, it's necessary to have greater diversity. >> better to have it than not, true. but it does seem to be a reaction as opposed to a clear

movement. >> i want to play a sound byte from eric winston the current president of the players association, speaking last night on the issue of goodell and the issues facing the league right now. listen to this. >> should ray rice be allowed to play again? >> i think so i think that we're all entitled to a second chance, obviously he made a horrific mistake and he's going to pay for it and he's already been disciplined once. actually been disciplined multiple times by the commissioner. >> roger goodell, should he keep his job? >> there's an issue about player conduct like you've been referring to. make it's time to take it out. commissioner's hands and put it into a neutral arbitration process where there can be a fair process for everybody involved. >> found that last bit interesting. eric winston saying take the issue of player conduct out of the commissioner's hands and give it to a neutral arbiter, if you will. what would that fix? >> it would fix the problem that the commissioner is conflicted between being the fact-finder

and the person who punishes. most of the problem would have been resolved if the commissioner wasn't have to decide a punishment, a third party could have. he could say look i want to throw the book at ray rice, this is horrible. but it would be a third person deciding. >> you don't think the nfl would be in this position that it's in right now, if a huge pr problem at the very least, if, if goodell would not have been handling player conduct? >> it's a mistake for roger to be judge, jury and executioner and he's absolutely right. i think it should be an objective third party to look at the situation in its totality and then render an effective decision across the board. that not only impacts the individual in question, but also the league in its entirety. >> do you think that change is likely to happen in light of this? >> i think it has to that's going to be one outcome that has to happen. you can't be the chief judge and the president, because you may have to died against your decide against yourself. it's difficult to maintain a due

process standard that a judge or independent arbiter must and be a commissioner who is an advocate for the sport and its sponsors. >> as a former agent, that's clearly what players want, they don't want goodell in charge of telling them how many games they're going to be out, right? >> absolutely. they would like a neutral arbitrator. >> what do you think finally on the issue of radisson pulling its sponsorship. i've said all along. we say it every time money comes up in professional sports -- money talks. nothing is going to change unless the sponsors start dropping out. we saw it with the nba. starting to see it with radisson. let's be honest, radisson will likely come back when things quiet down. but does this have a real impact? do you think this is the thing that changes the league, if you will, george? >> first of all, i think it's an isolated incident. i don't think the dominos will begin to fall at this point in time. but if they do and sponsors pull out, i think you're going to see a radical change that owners take notice and they're going to become proactive in the process.

>> is it unfortunate that it has to come down to the sponsors are the ones that are going to exact just snis. >> i think the league is trying to police itself and is struggling and that's how insidious and difficult domestic violence is in every circumstance, there aren't clear winners, i think sponsors help define what the clear outcome should be. >> what is the policy, six-game suspension, indefinite suspension for the players they should know what they're going to face if they screw up. they need to know the rules as well. >> if anything is ambiguous, it's the application of punishment. >> how did he screw this up so bad? he's a smart man. spl we don't have crystal ball that knows what goes on in roger's head. he admitted he screwed this one up, and it seems he's continuing to go down that path. i think with the recent promotions and that he's and the

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33 minutes past the hour, let's give you a look at headlines. we start with isis, the senate armed services committee will grill defense secretary chuck hagel and joint chiefs chair general martin dempsey today on the ongoing threat from isis. president obama's plan to train and equip serial rebels in the fight against isis appears headed for quick passage, with republican leaders in congress helping to push it along. there is one snag, house republicans say they require the white house provide a detailed plan for arming and training syrian rebels before they give the go-ahead. a vote is expected tomorrow. breaking overnight, a terrible story, 500 migrants feared drowned in the mediterranean sea. an international organization says their boat was rammed and sunk by the very traffickers who were transporting them. the victims from the middle east and africa boarded the ship over

a week ago, 3,000 migrants have lost their lives attempting to cross the mid mediterranean to enter the european union. fatal shooting by a young black man in saratoga, springs, utah. prosecutors say he was shot after he lunged at police with a samurai sword. hunt's family claims the sword was merely a toy and he was killed because he was black. they say an autopsy shows hunt was shot six times from behind. an apology from urban outfitters, the retailer under fire for selling this -- a vintage one of a kind kent state sweatshirt decorated with holes and a red, blood-spatter pattern. in 1970, four people were killed, shot and killed at kent state during protests on the school's campus. urban outfitters insist the

shirt's appearance was caused by discoloration and natural wear and fraying? kent state officials say the company's decision to market the shirt was quote beyond poor taste. >> key question -- was it the only one like it? >> i believe it was. they've come under fire for other controversial shirts. >> but if they made a lot of shirts that looked like that -- >> right, with blood spatter and holes. >> but if it's just one, it's an indiscretion, we'll have to find out what the facts are. weather is about facts, so let's get to meteorologist indri peterson. i like the matching black pattern. team new day. >> let's talk about what's going on, we have odile out there, still a tropical storm and now it is expected to affect the southwest. look at the moisture pulling into the southwest. that means we have the threat for flooding and remember it was just a week ago that we saw some heavy rains out towards the phoenix area. the concern is these places

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we have breaking news overnight, it seems as though the war against isis has begun. the u.s. military is taking the fight to the terrorists near baghdad. this is the first time that it is an offensive more as opposed to just protecting u.s. positions. the pentagon confirms the bomb was offensive in nature. the first strike in the president's strategy to degrade and ultimately destroy isis. the question, what comes next? why is it effective? how long will take? isn't the real threat syria? lots of questions -- lucky for

you we have cnn military analyst and lieutenant colonel rick francona. let's get after it. this is the situation, this is where it's going on. 20 miles we're told southwest of baghdad. that is relevant also frightening, how did they get so close? and what do we know about the success? >> as isis came down the euphrates valley. they wanted to take this area down here. they went south around baghdad, almost like they were trying to encircle it. this is still a sunni area. it cuts off baghdad from this shia area to the south. very smart move on the part of isis. they've been there for several weeks. a lot of fighting going on down there. yesterday in response to an iraqi army request, u.s. put air power in there and were able to stop isis. >> this was the right place to strike, not just because of proximity, but because of the tactics? >> this was an iraqi unit under stress, they were being almost overwhelmed by isis and they called in for american air support. this is how it's supposed to

work. this is how we're going to turn back isis in iraq. >> the easy way, doing it from above. >> you said a couple of things that will might escape people. but are really important. why are they here? it's a sunni area. what do they want to do? they want to cut off the shia. that matters, they're not just terms of some far-away place, you have to remember all of this going on here is because this sunnis were disenfranchised, isis is largely a bunch of angry sunnis, and remember, when he says, when rick says they came all the way down here? a big reason they got here is because these people who are the sunnis in these areas, didn't fight the way they usually do. isn't that true? >> not only didn't fight, they joined in the fight. there's a lot of disenfranchised iraqi army officers in the area. when they saw the opportunity to join a successful operation, they joined. it wasn't they were signing up for the radical theology of isis. they were signing up because it was a an anti-shia organization and it was their opportunity to get back.

so it's it was a really smart move. they're trying to eventually this is the goal, to take baghdad. right now they're using racca as their temporary cal at that time. but the caliphate will be headquartered in baghdad and they're trying to take the valleys, control the water, the border crossings and the oil field. >> the reason is maers is you have to understand what's going on with isis. they're getting a free pass down here. that dynamic has to be changed. that takes to us where it's coming. rick just mentioned racca. all of this color, that's the islamic state. they're here, here's the risk. the thing being sold to the american people is we're going to arm the free syrian army, sounds great, free. they're only here. tell us what the real complication is. what do they want? >> they've refused to join the coalition. the colonel in charge of the free syrian army says his goal is to go this way, to damascus,

not this way toward isis, we want him to do that he wants to do this. there's a real problem. if this is going to be our boots on the ground, i don't think it's going to work and they've take an real beating. look at where they've been bunched up into this area. the syrian army is coming up from the south, isis is moving west. it's a real, it's not the ideal situation for us to have boots on the ground. >> but it's being sold to the u.s. as that, this is the best way to do it. rick has been trying to introduce this idea of what i call the quadrangle of pain in syria. you have assad, bad guy, the president wanted to bomb him about a year ago. you have two rebel groups, you have the syrian, free syrian army and this al nusra group. isis is the fourth. the only group fighting ice isis in this group is assad. >> unless the free syrian army

is willing to take on isis, it's not going to work. >> they're not right now. >> that's right. >> if you go to them and say we're going to give you money, weapons and training if you guys fight isis, what are you likely to say? sure, they're going to go this way. that's pretty cut and dry. the problem is, who is going to take isis? this is going to work. the strategy is sound, it will work in iraq because you've got the peshmerga in the north. you've got the iraqi army in the south. and they're going to move up this way and this way and that will work. the problem is, what do you do once you get past this border? who is going to operate up here? we have yet to hear one country say they're willing to put boots on the ground. including the united states. >> when we go through the list of countries who say they're going to help, nobody says they're going to fight, except the kurds and the peshmerga. where does it lead us to, couldn't collusion, what you've been saying all along? i don't know how this gets done

without u.s. boots on the ground. unless you somehow cut a deal with assad. which would be no small irony. not that we haven't done something like that in the past. >> it's at some point do you approach your former enemies? do we talk to the iranians? talk to the syrians? we still don't know how this is going to work. i think we've got a good handle on what goes on here. i think we're still trying to find our way in syria. >> right. and why it matters? i know when you hear it it's complicating to me. it's not complicated to rick, because he's an expert. why would we talk about it, to confuse you? no, you're being sold a plan of action that is based on a lot of conditions that we can't control. and you have to know that because we all care about our fighting men and women and there's a better chance than not they wind up doing the fighting that right now we're told near they're not going to do. rick francona, thank you very much. and we have the extension of the threat we're worried about isis, not just over there, but what they could be doing here and there are chilling new audio

tapes recorded by the fbi, capturing an american believed to be working for isis, plotting attacks and covering his tracks, you're about to find out how an american jihadist really operates and he's not the only one, it's must-hear audio straight ahead.

incredible new audio this morning gives an up-close look at a suspected home-grown terrorist who is suspected of coordinating the online propaganda efforts of isis. he was caught plotting terror attacks on tape in 2006. the new audio released providing a disturbing look at how an american jihadist operates. we'll get more on this from debra ferrick. >> the boston man wanted for questioning in connection with isis and its grisly propaganda spoke frequently with friends about waging jihad against america and u.s. troops. ahmed abu samra, and palace spoke in code. cull ntheir culinary school was code for training camps. listen to another man who comes to tell him to come and fight.

>> i'm in culinary school and making peanut butter and jelly. >> the phone calls were from deuced at his terror trial. yemen was the ymca. and the fbi was referred to as bob or brian. listen again to mahana asking his unidentified friend for an email address? >> i'm not even on the internet. trust me there's no way i'm going to be on the internet. not that there isn't some here but where i am, right now, no. >> prosecutors say mehanna and suspected isis fighter abu samra travelled to yemen together in 2004. telling authorities they were going to check out schools. prosecutors say they were unable to find a training camp in yemen. however abusamra travelled to fallujah and iraq in february of 2004 during u.s. fighting there. two years later he was studying

computer science at the university of massachusetts in boston when fbi agents questioned him about travel. he left weeks later and fled to syria his buddy, mehanna, never traveled there, although other friends encouraged him to wage jihad. >> i have to let you go real quick. dude, come now. >> debra fayrick, cnn, new york. >> fascinating look into a jihadist. all right. thanks so much for that. we're following a lot of news this morning, so let's get to it. >> the president believes it's important to strike while the iron is hot. >> the u.s. military has conducted air strikes at a military position of isis in iraq. >> adrian peterson back on the football field this coming weekend. >> we believe he deserves to play. the nfl record, especially

under commissioner roger goodell is abon nabl. >> 20-year-old ali mohammed brown on a killing spree. >> you could prove that this was a terrorism offense. >> good morning, welcome back to "new day," breaking overnight for the first time the u.s. is going on the offensive. against isis. bombing targets near iraq's capital hitting a convoy of militants. this is the first step and now comes the next stage of the president's plan to degrade and ultimately destroy the terror organization. what will happen when these bombings? how effective were they? we're going to take you through it this morning. the main target is going to be what happens in syria. that will be the lead-up. that's what we have to follow closely. let's bring in pentagon correspondent barbara starr with the latest. we're hearing about this close to baghdad. let's talk about why isis had positioned themselves there and what we know about the success

of the attack? >> good morning, chris, this is a few miles southwest of baghdad. the first thing that everybody should note is that's where isis is. they have now gone around baghdad and they are south of the capital. that puts them in a very different position than we have seen. it may well be a sunni area that they're in. the people that support them to some extent. but they now are working to encircle the capital by all accounts. this is now something very much that everyone is watching and the u.s. reacting with this new offensive targeting. that's what the pentagon is calling it. offensive targeting. it's an expansion of the mission. very different than what we have seen over the last several weeks. this air strike was called in, on an isis position. because iraqi forces on the ground were coming under fire. they called for help, the u.s. rolled in with an air strike on their position. until now, we have only seen

u.s. air strikes for two reasons. protection of u.s. personnel and assets or humanitarian relief missions. now expanding the mission to protecting iraqi forces on the ground as they go against isis. so by the pentagon's own definition, an extension of the mission, they're calling it offensive targeting. and what everyone is watching is very simply this -- what will the next steps be? when will the steps be taken? when and will, will the u.s. actually go and begin air strikes inside syria? that's the next step that everyone clearly is watching for, chris in. >> good use of the word "steps" because the anticipation is about being on the ground, boots on the ground. that's where this fight is going to be determined. thank you for the reporting. kate? >> straight over to the white house now, senior white house correspondent jim acosta. jim, what are you picking up at the white house on this? this signals a new phase of the president's strategy, what else

are we learning? >> later this morning, we're going to get a chance, a glimpse of the man president obama has tapped to coordinate the global coalition against isis, that's retired general john allen. he'll be here at the white house in a couple of hours. as for the air strike operation southwest of baghdad that barbara was talking about, senior administration officials say expect more to come and u.s. and coalition forces will not be signaling what or who will be targeted next and when. as for the administration efforts to build the coalition, one official said several countries could issue press releases today announcing what they're prepared to do. but the white house is indicating that instead, the public will see something of a roll-out of the coalition in its various roles over the coming weeks, especially around the president's trip to the u.n. next week. critical trip for the president, as for the air strikes expected to come on isis in syria. a senior administration official said senior president bashar al assad would be making a big mistake if he intervened. any attacks from assad forces on u.s. air planes during the air

strikes would prompt an american military response according to senior administration officials. and later on this morning as well, kate, secretary of defense chuck hagel and the chairman of the joint chiefs martin dempsey will be before the senate armed services committee. >> facing tough questions an u.s. strategy against isis. secretary kerry following up. he'll be testifying late they are week as well. jim, thanks so much. we have the politics of the situation and then the practicalities of what's going to happen and how effective it will be. let's see if we can bring them together for you, let's bring in democratic senator joe manchin. good to see you. thank you for joining us. the immediate question is were you told about the bombings going on in baghdad? do you approve? does the committee approve? and are you in favor of the president's plan? >> first of all, i can't speak for all the people on the

committee. were we told in advance? no. did we know it was going to happen? pretty much so. i support the air support that we have superior support. i support basically our tactical and technology we're using to help those people from the barbaric terrorists and what we see going on. what i don't support, i applaud the president for putting a plan out. he put a plan out, he laid it out. what i don't agree with the plan is basically arming, trying to spend $500 million, arming the seri syrian rebels, the ground game should be from the mod rats, people who live in that region of the world. this should be an arab ground war, if you will we have proven it doesn't work and we're not successful at doing that. nor does it help prevent anything from happening over there that's been horrific. with that being said, i support using our support, i do not believe any way, shape or form that we should be over there trying to pick sides of who we're going to arm, who we're going to train. the only thing i know for sure,

chris, is at the end of the day, most of the arms that we give to people are used against us. most of the people we train turn against us. we've seen that in the last ten, 12, 13 years. go we've seen our own stinger missiles found in iran taken off the battlefields in afghanistan. we know it happens. let's talk about why it's happening. i believe congress needs to step up here. the reason you can't figure out who to arm in syria is because it's very difficult. the reason that you're looking at all, is because you don't want to commit to u.s. troops on the ground. you know the arabs aren't going to commit to fighting this war without u.s. troops on the ground. is the congress more afraid of the mid-terms, than it is of isis and a that's why it won't commit to the obvious, to do this right, putting u.s. troops on the ground. >> i'm not saying that's doing it right. if you think that's what's doing it right, we spent eight years, almost $20 billion, to arm a

280,000-person army in iraq and we saw the results of that. we've been over in that part of the world for 13 years. if money or military might would have changed it, we'd have done it by now. so to say the right thing to do, i don't agree with that. i have a lot of my close colleagues, my friends, i respectfully disagree. in west virginia, at least we know the definition of insanity. doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results this has to be a ground game by the people of that region. by the mod rats who want quality of life. who want some tranquility and peace in their life. thatter going to have to be able to fight and die for their country. >> they won't do it, though. they're not doing it. they're not stepping up. to be clear, senator, i'm not giving you my idea, i'm parroting senator lindsay graham. lindsay graham says it's a fantasy that you'll do it without u.s. boots. my question is, if it's a fantasy, that means the reality is you need u.s. troops. why is congress too afraid to do anything but talk on tv and get together and debate and vote and

come up with a plan? >> first of all there should not be a combined vote on a continuing resolution, something so important to the policy of this nation and future generations to come to get us into a long embattled war. we've been in this insanity before if boots on the ground would have won it, it would have been over long ago, chris and it's not. i'm just saying there's going to be turmoil over there. there's been turmoil for 1400 years, noits going to change overnight and we as americans are not going to make a difference on the quality of their life. >> what do you say to your brothers and sister who is criticize the president and say, well this isn't going to work, you got to have u.s. boots on the ground. but they're afraid to take their constitutional responsibility and vote on a declaration of war. by definition hostilities over a long period of time is called war no matter what the secretary of state says. >> i agree with you on that.

war is war. and the bottom line is, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's probably war and that's what we're dealing with over there. and the bottom line is is you can't flour this stuff up, you can't make it look good and smell good. our past experience, chris, if we've not lenard anything from 13 years of involvement. two trillion dollars and the amount of blood we've shed over there trying to help, liberate those people and they go back to their old ways, they basically will just gravitate to whoever is the strongest kid on the block. we've seen already they're making, who would, who would think that basically here we are going in trying to pick out, we're going to train 3,000 to 5,000, say these people are fighting assad. now we want you to turn right and start fighting isis. they're going to say wait a minute, isis is fighting assad with us, we'll just join isis. you think those weapons aren't going to be used against americans? >> you have a majority of the people -- >> let's vote. >> saying we should take on

isis. so if they're -- >> you and i are having this conversation right now and how important it is. and it does make sense, don't you think we ought to have the same conversation on the floor of the senate and the floor of congress? rather than wrapping it into one saying okay, here you are, you vote to shut down the government. but guess what's wrapped into it, a policy that might get us embroiled for years and years. >> and they'll sue the president on executive orders on much less important issues than this. but are letting him have free rein on isis. >> we were ready to bomb syria a year ago, we were able to achieve that without bombing, lighting the fuse for the third world war, now to go in when we're going to go in and know there's hundreds and hundreds of different sectors of violence and terrorists, we're going to pick and try to segregate 3,000 or 5,000, thinking they'll make a difference.

we armed 280,000, we built an army in baghdad, couldn't do a thing. turned and ran and turned over the weapons. we have pictures of our arsenal, if you will, humvees and everything else, moving into syria that they confiscated from mosul. why would we want to repeat this type of performance? it makes no sense to me. i'm willing to vote. i will vote no. absolutely no and stand tall in west virginia. to explain my vote. why i vote no to arm, to train, to spend $500 million in syria and on syrian rebel who is i don't know who they are, what they're going to do and if they're ever going to be loyal to america. >> you want no u.s. boots on the ground. i know you've said before. >> do you think there will be a vote? yes or no? >> right now, i think they're going to wrap it into the cr, which is atrocious, i'm going to give a talk on the floor, i would pray to the good lord they would let us have this vote. we've got two weeks, they can't say, if you're voting against this, you're voting for shutting

down the government. i say no, i'm not, i'm voting to stay here for the next two weeks, think we should have the debate and have the vote and separate the cr from the vote and it should be two things, chris, it should be are we voting first of all for air support, i vote tote entry favor of air support, tactical and technical sport. absolutely. i do not vote for boots on the ground, or putting $500 million to arm the rebels and train them. now i say have the vote. let's see where we can stand. i can live with it. >> i think there may be big surprises for people. leadership is about now and voting on this issue. >> if they don't, it won't be seen any or way. senator manchin, thank you for standing up and always a pleasure to have you on "new day." a lot of news this morning. let's get 0 you to mick for the headlines. >>@eight minutes past the hour. three members of the international security assistance force have been killed by a suicide car bomber in kabul overnight. the taliban has taken responsibility for the attack.

it's the first significant violence in afghanistan in weeks. taking place a few hundred yards from the main entrance of the u.s. embassy. the world health organization says 2500 people have died from ebola. this has president set to reveal an expanded strategy to stop the spread of ebola. today he is expected to announce as many as 3,000 military personnel will be sent to africa to respond to the outbreak. he's also going to announce the construction of ebola treatment centers in west africa with about 1700 beds and expected to set up a command center in hard-hit liberia to coordinate the international effort. extreme heat and strong winds fueling a wildfire east of sacramento, california, that's exploded in size, the king fire has burned more than 8,000 acres. it is coming dangerously close to homes. this is just one of 11 major wildfires currently burning across the state. federal researchers report

that fewer americans are going without health insurance. the government's national health interview survey found an 8% decrease in the number of uninsured americans in the first quarter of this year. that's about 3.8 million people. the first survey of health insurance coverage since the affordable care act went into effect last year. the nfl continues to be in crisis to say the least. adrian peterson expected to play sunday despite a second allegation that he's facing now of child abuse. that's being leveled against him. he denies it vehemently. ray rice prepares to appeal his suspension. will he get to play again soon? we had hillary having a little cheesesteak action in iowa. now chris christie, new jersey's governor going on the road this week, campaigning for some big republican names in this year's mid-term elections, don't ask him any questions about running for president, it has nothing to do with that. coming up on "inside politics."

minnesota vikings star, adrian peterson denying new child abuse allegations this morning. cnn affiliate khou reports that peterson was involved in a second alleged incident of abuse involving a different son from a different woman. cnn has not been able to independently confirm these details, but through his attorney, peterson vehemently denies the report. however, the running back will be back on the field this weekend as the team begins to

field fallout over the controversy. radisson hotels has suspended its sponsorship of the vikings. all of this as former baltimore raven ray rice is expected to appeal his indefinite suspension from the nfl by midnight. joining us, mel robbins and steve almond, contributing writer to "the new york times" magazine and the "boston globe." and the author of "against football: one fan's reluctant manifesto." steve, mel, thank you. do you mind if we kind of go through the laundry list of items we have to talk about the nfl today? we don't we start with the fact, that adrian peterson has been reinstated. let me give you the statement if his website. i'll read it to you here. i have to live with the fact that when i discipline my son the way i was disciplined as a child, i caused an injury that i never intended or thought would have happened. i know many people disagree with the way i discipline my child.

and i understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate. so, mel, he sought help from a psychologist. he has said mea culpa, do you think he should go back to playing? >> not yet, and here's why, the nfl is either going to have a no-tolerance, zero-tolerance policy against violence in the home. or they're not. and if the first offense is supposed to garner a six-game suspension, whether it's domestic violence when you hit a full-grown woman or it is child abuse when you hit a kid with a stick. you should get a six-game suspension, michaela. >> i want to play sound from some of his colleagues on the field and i'll get your reaction. >> should ray rice be allowed to play again? >> i think so. i think that we're all entitled to a second chance, obviously he made a horrific mistake.

and he's going to pay for it he's already been disciplined once. actually been disciplined multiple times by the commissioner. >> roger goodell, should he keep his job? >> obviously there's an issue with player conduct ike you've len referring to. maybe it's time to take it out of the commissioner's hands and put it into a neutral arbitration process. >> that was president of the nfl players association. on erin burnett last night talking about the ray rice situation and roger goodell. but i want to run the sound, i can paraphrase some of it for you, steve. peterson is getting support from his colleagues, from jarriius wright says we know the type of guy he is, good family man. another corner back, sort of saying you know, i understand that we have to support him, one of the best running backs in the league, we can't wait for him to come back and play. what are your thoughts to that? >> the nfl is a $10 billion a

year corporation, they have a cash register where their conscience should be. >> interesting, say that again. >> they have a cash register where normal human beings have a consciencele they're going to do whatever they nooet need to do to keep the product going. it ultimately comes down to the fans. it's upon the fans, if you're outraged about ray rice or roger goodell or adrian peterson, stop watching the game and paying their salaries. >> the nfl seemingly refusing to implement their own mandatory six-game suspension. it seems as though you know, there's discrepancy on how they deal with all of these things. peterson is one of their highest paid guys, he's one of their top performers, the biggest star on the team. it goes to your point about the cash register versus the morals. >> this guy is a hugely valuable asset. if you think the nfl for one millisecond might view him as a human being in crisis, which is

what i think he is, but ultimately he is, and so is ray rice for that matter, these guys don't need a media scrum. need counseling, they need time to work out the issues. they don't need america looking at the most painful moments of their lives over and over again. that's not helping anything if we're concerned about them as human beings, they're also assets to this hugely valuable league and that's the way they're being treated. get them back on the field. it's the same thing when they shoot up players with painkillers and do whatever they can to get the assets back on the field where they generate huge revenues from us, the fans. >> instead of thinking about their longevity, quality of life, health, et cetera. >> we found out that one-third of nfl players end up with long--term cognitive damage. one-third of american employees in the workforce in 2014 may end up with pretty severe brain damage. is that not alarming to you? that's a much bigger headline and the nfl is delighted there are these little scandals that

are distracting from a much bigger, disturbing story. >> let's talk about what's going on in the nfl. >> i don't think they're delighted by any of this. >> one of the things i wanted to say, michaela -- is in response to steve, one of the reasons why these guys need to be off the field in the nfl needs to stick to its own rule of a six-game suspension is because clearly these guys do not respect women. they don't respect kids, but they do respect being pulled off the field. and so when you talk about the fact that there needs to be some sort of culpability, it's got to be the kind of culpability that makes them stop and think. yes, they need therapy, but they also need to be held accountable. personally with ray rice, i do think he should get a second chance, because the fact is he was not suspended because the nfl saw the tape, he was suspended because you and i saw the tape. >> mel i want to ask you for your reaction about the fact that roger goodell has now announced that he's going to bring in four, a panel of four

females to join the ranks in positions of consultants within the nfl organization. they'll consult with the commissioner on league policies. good move, strategic move? is it enough? is it just speaking to appearances? what are your thoughts? >> i think it's a good move. particularly given the fact that one of the women ran the sex crimes unit for the prosecutor's office in new york. however, this is a very simple thing that the nfl needs to do. they need to have a black-and-white rule. and the rule is this -- if you get arrested for domestic violence or child abuse, you are immediately suspended for six games. period. it's simple. put the onus on the players not to put themselves in situations where they're getting arrested for this crap. and let the nfl focus on running the game of football. have the panel of women there to advise the nfl on what kind of services their players need and

what kind of support they can give to the kids and to the wives. but in terms of figuring out on a case-by-case basis, it's ridiculous. the rule needs to be simple. it needs to be clear, it needs to be understood and it needs to be enforced. >> we know that radisson hotels, additionally, they're the first response tore go on record announcing they're suspended their limited partnership with the minnesota vikings in light of the scandal going on. so much that we can talk about still. but we'll have to leave it here, mel robbins, steve almond. thanks for joining us. and alleged serial killer accused of murdering four people in two states, he's raising new concerns about home-grown terror here on american soil. why aren't officials calling this suspect a terrorist? the mid-terms may be just weeks away, but the 2016 presidential election certainly on the minds of many this morning. a lot of folks are taking a closer look at republican jeb bush, we'll tell you why, inside

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let's give awe look at your headlines, u.s. air strikes hitting isis targets near baghdad, the first time that america has attacked the eggs treemist group so close to the iraqi capital. the pentagon confirms the nature of the mission was more offensive than previous attacks. the ukrainian parliament has passed a bill granting broad concessions to the pro russian rebels. the measure was presented by president petro poroshenko in a bid to end the uprising by creating a special status for

the region. it creates greater political autonomy, amnesty for foreign fighter and allows the region to form deeper ties with russia. 19 deaths have been linked to faulty ignition switches in general motors vehicles, up from gm's previous estimate of 13 deaths. attorney ken feinberg, who is administratoring gm's compensation fund says he expects to number to go up as more cases are reviewed. gm recall more than two and a half million cars because of the flawed switches. days before scotland votes on an independent referendum, prime minister david cameron making a plea for unity. leaders of britain's three main political parties pledge to grant scotland extensive new powers if it votes to stay in the uk. voter registrations have increased by 8% ahead of the referendum. all eyes will be watching

the vote, very intriguing. >> i know the ebola story is kind of getting the this is the story we have to follow that we're not following as much. that story has huge implications for the uk and the european community. did i say huge enough? >> huge. >> thank you very much. also huge things going on in politics. >> strong segue. time for inside politics on "new day" with jon king. >> 49 days from a big election here or maybe we would take the inside politics team and go over to scotland and watch that one. michaela, chris, kate, good morning to you. let's focus on the president's big priority, trying to get approval in congress for his actions in the middle east against isis. let's talk details. with me to share insights, jacky kucinich of the "washington post" and raj. the president is going to atlanta today, not to talk about isis, to talk about something

else, how much is this crisis dominating their thinking? watch this. >> there will be some additional announcements that will be announced by the administration that represents the kind of whole government approach the president believes is necessary to confront that's posed by -- isis -- ebola. >> they're thinking a lot about this. one of the big questions is what does congress give them. there's no question the president will get the money to arm the rebels. where is congress on the big question, a separate bill clear legislation that says here's the president's authority. here's how much leeway we think you should have. or will it be snuck into a funding bill. >> it house looks like it's going to vote on an amendment separate from the continuing resolution. and this has two reasons, one is political and some of the others are policy. it allows meps to debate this and allows them to vote up or

down on this measure. i think it looks like the president is going to get what he wants. not without some restrictions. >> what kind of restrictions? >> listen to rand paul on the senate side, you mentioned it will start in the house with the continuing resolution, washington-speak for legislation to keep the government up and running. we don't pass a budget any more in, that's old-school. but rand paul on the senate side, a lot of people think he's anti war. he says i want to strike isis, help the president here, but with some limitations. >> if a vote were to come to congress to ask you to go to war against isis, and to call it that, would you, would you vote yes? >> yes, but i would try to sunset the provision. i do favor doing something about isis, i would vote yes. but i would vote to limit the declaration or limit the authorization to a time period. >> how much of a debate and a divide is there and will this all play out now in this vote?

or are we going to see votes and then maybe after the election something again? >> i think it will be after the elections. after the house does add this as an amendment to the bill to keep the government open. the senate is only going to have one vote on the measure, the stop-gap spending bill including the syria resolution. so they're probably is not going to be a separate syria vote in the senate so folks like rand paul and folks up in 2014, the red-state senate democrats can avoid taking a vote. a tough vote right now in the middle of this election year. we're going to see them come back after the election. it's going to be a sustained campaign. there's going to be a fight in order to put a more comprehensive authorization of use of military force and that's when congress is going to have a real war debate over the president's authority here. >> this is forgive me, this is their job, right? this is what they get elected to do war and peace, there's no bigger issue facing the country. what's the tug of war. the tensions, saying wait a

minute this is what we get elected to do, before the president acts, we should have a clear up or down vote between those who say can we please not deal with this until after the election. >> you have some public support for this. but yeah, you're right there's a tug of war between those that are up and have to deal with this right away and those who want to put this off 00. i think the leadership is focused on first doing no harm. and particularly for republicans, they don't want to have anybody voting on anything that will cost them an election. >> do no harm to their political standing. don't have a clear, open and clean debate -- >> they want to get out of town quickly so they can go back and campaign and keep their seats. >> not leadership with a capital l. another guy thinking about running for president down the road is likely to inherit this military campaign against isis. chris christie is the governor of new jersey, he was at a big regional event yesterday, talking about homeland security

issues. smart coordination between the states and cities near each other. somebody tried to ask chris christie a question about the president's middle east policy and he defers. >> i'm not the least bit surprised by your off-topic question. and you will not be the least bit surprised by the fact that there's no choice, zero chance that i'm answering your off-topic question. >> he did this when he was in mexico recently. >> on immigration. >> so which is his answer, ask me about anything i don't feel like talking about and i'm going to tell to you go away. it's amusing, he does it with theatrical delivery. he'll be in north carolina and south carolina today, new hampshire tomorrow. he says he's campaigning for people on the ballot. but he's clearly moving around, to get ready for running for president. how long can he say that, i'm not answering these questions. >> you would say behind the scenes he's starting to have answers but to pull the string and say that's not my job right

now. that's a limited shelf life. >> does he have the power of personality to get away with it for that long? >> i think he does, given we're focused on the mid-terms right now. but he'll have to have the answers to the questions. clearly this is move by christie to show that he's not damaged goods after the bridgegate scandal. he wants to show he can still be a commanding presence on the campaign trail and meet the donors in some key states will be important come 2016. >> you make an important point, he's trying to send a signal, i'm going to emerge from bridgegate, i'm going to be just fine. another guy we've been waiting for a signal from, is jeb bush. those who think chris christie might be bruised or damaged say how about you, governor bush? he's disappeared largely but does give an interview to a writer for the "washington post." where he gives opinions about the president's failure to lead on the international stage. he says the president has

mirrored public sentiment for the wrong reasons, he has played to a facet of people who are war-fatigued, that's a misread and now he's paying the price. number one, not so much doctored in his criticism of president obama as to why jeb bush decided at this moment to say, here i am. >> there's always a reason, isn't there in. >> jeb bush is one of these will he or won't he people. his biggest problem is going to be immigration with the base. he has as far as the establishment the correct view of immigration. but again, when you're looking at the base, they don't really agree with him. >> my favorite part in reading this, is jennifer reuben makes a note that he looks thinner. is this get me back in the mix, or persistent reporter gets an interview? >> he wants the media to view him, wants us to be talking about him. there is a vacuum right now, a

leadership vacuum in the republican party. the 2016 field is wide open if he were to announce he would certainly be seen as a front-runner for the nomination. >> manu and jackie, thanks for coming in. do you have $27 on you? we're talking about jeb bush, republicans don't talk about w, but chris as we get back to you in new york. i miss w, there's a t-shirt for you. $27 you get this, it could be a sign that there's a little w nostalgia coming back, or it could be a sign 49 days before election. dad, george h.w. bush, they sell his socks, both parties will do just about anything to raise a few extra pesos for the election. >> i like w, i miss him, too, i like the t-shirt. you pointed out the right way, john, i can't believe these men and women are going to talk about what's right and wrong with isis and they won't have an up or down vote on it. and they may wind up defunding government again over it. i'll take two of those shirts --

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29-year-old ali mohammed brown, a u.s. citizen is the prime suspect in a killing spree accused of murdering four people in two states. he reportedly said he did it to avenge the deaths of muslims in the middle east. raising renewed concerns about home-grown terror. of course joining me now to discuss is clark kent irvin, former inspector general at the

homeland security department. what do you make of this man -- young, charged with four murders at this point. he said he did it because he wanted to avenge the deaths of muslims in the middle east. what do you make of this -- is he a terrorist or a serial kill centre. >> he's both, kate. you said his motivation was terrorism. the perceived oppression by the united states of muslims abroad. this is an old phenomenon, though. ever since 9/11 we've seen a series of individuals who have been radicalized, attempting to carry out terror attacks here in the united states. think the fort hood shooter. think the times square bomber. jihad jane, et cetera. even the brothers from boston

bombings. >> how big do you think the problem is? >> the good news is we know there a relatively small number of people. we're talking about hundreds, small numbers, thousands, who are here in the united states, they have a sense of alienation, of vulnerability. and there are terror recruiters who prey on that sense of vulnerability. it's a small number, but they can carry out attacks, they can kill people and terrorize the rest. and so it's a very, very different phenomenon. the good news is the states government is doing everything possible about it just yesterday the attorney general announced a renewed campaign working with u.s. attorneys around the country, religious community leaders, the department of homeland security. there will be a conference on the white house on countering extre extremist activity. >> is there also, isn't there also a difference or a distinction to be made between people who identify with terrorists or a terrorist group

and those who actually have a relationship with these terrorist groups? we're seeing that in these two kind of high-profile cases right now. the brown case, maybe more of identifying with a terrorist group. and then you have ahmed abu samra who clearly has a relationship with a terrorist group. >> that's an important distinction. obviously the ones who have a relationship with terrorists abroad, who have the training, context, the connections, are much more dangerous, that's the principal concern about isis abroad. there are 2500 westerners, 100 americans who we know have gone over there to train with them and who can easily get back to the united states because they're americans and they're apparently not on a terror watch list. that's the greater danger, because they're even more motivated and better trained. but the kinds of lone wolves that we're talking about here this morning, ali mohammed brown, they're also of concern, because they can kill people and they can injure people and it's

tragic and we've got to do something about it. >> and i want to get your take on what you think, what more the government needs to do or what different tactics the government should be taking to do something about it. you have these two types of people that are clearly a concern to, in this situation. to the homeland. you've got these people who identify with terrorism, those are relationship with terrorists bucks there are still challenges in pinpointing and tracking both that the government is up against. >> that's exactly right. i think the answer lies in what has already been done. the new york police department for example has been working for years, ever since 9/11, with the muslim community to help identify the small number of people in muslim communities who are vulnerable to this kind of intimidation, this kind of re recruitment and to provide alternative positive route force them to travel down. >> do you think the muslim community hasn't done enough? we have this conversation, we've had this conversation since, well at least since 9/11. about the muslim community

needing to stand up and say, these people are absolutely not part of our community. they don't speak for us at all. i feel like they've started to do that, just not enough. >> well i think that's right, kate. on the other hand, you know, the counterargument is there are a number of muslims who have stood up in the community, ever since 9/11. but you know, the attention tends to be on those who have the radical messages, i don't know that we give due attention to the vast majority of muslim who is are calling on those in their communities to engage in positive activities. i think greater attention needs to be paid to those doing the right thing. >> is there a good count, do you think that the government has of the folks that are considered sympathizers if you will or potential problems in the united states? >> we don't have a precise count. but as i say, the numbers are relatively small. we're talking about hundreds, we're talking at most about thousands. but they can do a lot of damage and you know, we forget that the point of terrorism is of course to kill people and to injure

others. but really, to terrorize the rest. and a small number of people can do outsized damage in terms of the psyche of terrorism. it's a phenomenon that we've got to redouble our efforts against now that we're at war with ice nis iraq and syria. >> we hear it over and over again, the government needs to be right 100% of the time. the terrorists need to be right just 1% of the time. >> the odds are against us. >> exactly right. clark kent irvin. great to see you, thanks so much. thank you, kate. government agencies not securing your personal information is bad enough. but now, we're learning that kids are at risk, too. jake tapper has some frightening revelations that every parent should be listening to this morning.

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so not only do you have to worry about your personal information, but now you have to worry about kids, and maybe your kids' personal information and why? well, a software security loophole has exposed the personal data of thousands of americans, including kids. how do we know? a pair of good hackers who look for security flaws to be fixed found a weak innocence a popular software that left government data exposed and data including sensitive information about children. jake tapper has details on what the hackers discovered. take a look. >> reporter: you might think that your government is vigilant about securing your personal information and that of your children, but you'd be wrong. look at what is out there. >> within a couple of minutes we found social security numbers

and dates of birth and private student records and transcripts and grades. >> reporter: these are ethical hackers using their computer skills for good to identify vulnerabilities in networks. >> we take that information and disclose it to the law enforcement and the relevant par parties to work to get the issues remediated. >> reporter: this month they found that a weakness in oracle software in 2012 and the company provided a patch for still remains a huge vulnerability for any customer who missed or ignored that news. sealy says at risk is the sensitive information for databases belonging to 20 government-related agencies, 100 schools, k-12 and 50 institutions of higher learning affecting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people he says. >> you could completely steal someone's identity and assume someone else, and take money out of their accounts.

you could file legal documentation, and you could take out business loans. the sky is the limit. >> reporter: working with the fbi to alert the dozens of organizations representing hundreds of thousands of files that are still vulnerable and helped to patch their security systems n. a statement to cnn, or can kl said that the issue is not because of a product defect, but because of the configuration of how the security checks could be disabled. the statement went on that the patch that made the setting default secure is issued as part of the regularly secure critical patch that customers know how to apply it. we applied all of the customers to apply it. >> could they call everyone? probably. it might take a while. but is it the right thing to do? >> reporter: jake tapper, cnn. >> well, that is a scary report. >> but it is important to the know, and you arm yourself with information and take steps to correct it. >> how quickly that could happen.

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breaking overnight, the u.s. now on the offensive against isis, hitting them just outside of baghdad. in afghanistan, three soldiers killed in an attack on a convoy outside of an air base in kabul, and we are tracking it all. also breaking, thousands of american forces now heading into west africa to battle the ebola outbreak there, and can the u.s. stop the deadly disease there, and how at risk are u.s. personnel? new details on a case of homegrown terror. did this american kill four people across four states as

retributions of american actions overseas? "new day" continues right now. this is "new day u" with chs cuomo and kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> and now for the first time u.s. going on the offensive against isis near baghdad. and another one, with the widening outbreak of ebola in west africa. >> and a serial killer who is a u.s. citizen who says he is out to avenge the deaths of muslims in the middle east by killing americans, but he is not term theed a terrorist yet. we will tell you why. >> all of this and the taliban taking responsibility for a deadly car bombing steps from the u.s. embassy in kabul.

we are covering every angle of the breaking stories. with e that we begin at the pentagon with barbara starr and those overnight attacks near baghdad. >> it is called an all-out offensive against isis. it is first time we have seen this air strike. u.s. warplanes rolling in on the isis target 25 kilometers southwest of baghdad when the iraqi forces came under fire and called for help. for now we have only seen them for humanitarian missions, and this time going after isis because the iraqi forces were under attack. this is part of the expanded effort now by the obama administration to support the iraqi forces and get them into the front line of that fight for isis, but the location is fascinating. 25 kilometers southwest of baghdad. a sunni area by all accounts,

and the people who do support isis to some extent, but now south of baghdad and an indication that isis is still on the move and moving around the perimeter of the capital and move ing moving to the southern regions and worrisome development, but for the first time what we are seeing is the expansion of the u.s. mission. of course, everyone is waiting for what the next steps may be, when and if the u.s. does take the next step of going after targets inside syria. kate. >> and what is next on the front of where isis is going to move next, and what is the next move for the united states. key questions. great to see you, barbara starr. and let's bring in fareed zakaria host of "gps." there is dangerous talk back home while you were away. too in the weeds to talk about which arab states are going to he heldp, and start bomb, and it is going to work itself out, and no

need to vote this close to the midterms, and dangerous talk. you were just in india, and what is the state of the prospective from that country and the other arab states about who is willing to join this coalition and put boots on the ground which is as we know decides what happens with isis. >> well with, it is an important point, chris. think about it from this point. what is isis strategy? is what are they trying to do to put out these brutality? they are trying the goad the united states in. they are saying that there they go again, america, invading another arab country and bombing the muslims, and we are the defenders. they want to make us us against them. what we have to be careful is to not play into the game and not jump when they ask us how. >> how? >> the most important thing is that we have to make sure that the other arab states are involved. we have other kun can tris like saudi arabia say they would participate in the bombings. >> only training though.

bombings on the ground. >> i would like to see a saudi general announcing bombing targets rather than a u.s. general. and arab face to it. >> much better optics. >> much better optics, and people say what the obama administration did not say, but in an new york article unnamed official saying that we are trying to lead from behind, but it is a reference to the libya operation, and let's remember why it worked at the time. it worked well because the arab league voted for it and the arab foreign ministers were out in front, and difficult to make it into a u.s. versus the isis --? and that is a nightmare in libya that it didn't work. do you agree with that? >> well sh, removing gadhafi worked, but after that, once you change the regime, you have to do something to stabilize the society. my point is that even now people in libya don't realize the ud as having attacked them, but they

see that the egyptians did it, and not the united states, but everyone is in it together. the crucial mistake is if we allow it to be portrayed as the united states invading and attacking another muslim k country. >> well, it is portrayed that way and not in terms of another muslim country, but it is the headline all over the world. did we get, we are not supposed to say we, but i mean the u.s., did we get brought into the coalition because of the beheadings and not only in terms of taking out isis militarily, but doing the political and cultural reform which is the only hope of changing the situation long term? >> well, i think so. the at the end of the day, the only way to get rid of isis is to get rid of what is e feeding it. what is feeding it is the massive political discontent in iraq among sunnis. in iraq, the shia, and in baghdad, the a laallowites.

and so there is political dimension to this that is at the heart of getting it right. so there is a petraeus used to say that the arabs when he was in iraq, he would say that they are a model of fighting that was fire, ready, aim. well, what we need to do is to ready, aim, fire. >> we are doing the same thing, bombing in and around bag dand that is a security interest, but ready to go into syria and arming not only just ill-e eqq p ill-equipp ill-equipped, but very unsuccessful syrian army who does not want to fight isis, but assad, and the coalition pa partners are watching. >> it is a recipe for a lot of unintended consequences. think about iraq which at least the military part of it was reasonably well planned and still massive amounts of unintended consequences.

what are the the unintended consequences here? strengthening the assad regime, and strengthening hezbollah, and russia, because after all -- >> they have been quiet by the way. and where is captain righteous, putin? >> well sh, he is pleased that are shoring up the assad regime. so there are parts of this that the political fallout from military action is as important as the military action. it is easy for the united states with the massive military power to drop the bombs, but it is much harder to do the politics and the diplomacy that will make it effective. >> and the reason that this is so important, and that is why i encourage you the watch fareed's show, "fareed zakaria, gps " on sundays at 1:00 p.m., and this is the conversation that is so

much more important of what is going on, and congress won't touch it, and ask yourself why. fareed, thank you so much. appreciate it. thank you for the education. kate? >> also, we are talking about homegrown terror. we are talking about ali mohmed brown when he said he was out to avenge the muslims when he killed four people in different states. pamela brown is following these developments live in washington. scary to say the least, but what are you learning? >> well, it is disturbing, kate. according to the court documents that we have learned, the defendant in this case made chilling statements to the authority saying he was on the mission to exact vengeance against the the united states by killing four americans in two states resuming terrorism on u.s. soil. >> reporter: police say that this man is ali mohmed brown,

who is response fooshl killing spree from new jersey to washington state because of his hate of u.s. foreign policy. we are told at cnn that he stri strictly fol e los the muslim faith and had become angry with the evil that the government is allowing to take place in the u.s. brown telling the police that my mission is vengeance for the lives, millions of lives are lost everyday. iraq, syria, afghanistan, all of the places where innocent lives are being taken every single day, so a life for a life. police say that between april and june this year, brown killed three people in washington state, allegedly shooting them late at night in quiet locations, execution style. a few weeks later in new jersey, 19-year-old college student brendan teflin was found dead shot inside of his suv. police are tracing all of the killings to brown. >> when you bury somebody like that 19 years old, we don't have

any answers. >> reporter: brown's previous run-in run-ins with the law, a bank robbery conviction in 1994 put him on the fbi list. they were also having him on a list for fund-raising for groups overseas. there are allegations of brown's bloody crusade to kill americans are now raising questions. >> based on the statements that he has made, i believe that you could prove it is a terrorism offense, but it is not determined if it should be prosecuted in federal court or state court. >> right now brown carries a possible sentence of a death death sentence, and the authorities could bring additional charges. we have reached out to his attorney, but have not heard back yet. >> in is far from over. thank you pamela for following those a number of headlines we

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president obama facing two serious national security concerns this morning. today the president will arn nouns a new effort to combat the deadly ebola outbreak and including a deployment of up to 3,000 u.s. military personnel to liberia alone to tackle the crisis. also today, the president is go ing the meet with the envoy he has tapped to lead the anti-isis coalition. and secretary of state john kerry continues to work to shore up support from other nations for this challenge. we get to lisa monaco who is the assistant to the president for counter terrorism. thank you for the time this morning. >> good morning, kate. >> good morning. i am calling it a surge when we talk about this fight against ebola first in west africa, and why is the president taking this on when we are talking up to 3,000 military personnel heading over there to try to help.

why the surge and why now? >> well, kate, what the president will announce today as you indicated is a significantly r ramped up response by the united states. the president from the beginning has made it a top national security priority, and it is a devastating outbreak and devastating in west africa, and he believes that the unique capability and expertise of the united states, including our military in terms of the logistics expertise and experience can really help bring this outbreak under control. >> the president has faced some criticism from those in the region that he is slow to try to help in this, and when are all of the assets going to be in place? i saw up to 17 treatment scentes added to that, and is this a quick endeavor or long term? >> well with, this is going to unfold over a period of weeks, kate, but what is important the remember, the united states has been involved and responsive to this crisis from the beginning, from the beginning many march

when the cases first started to appear. we deployed more than 100 centers for disease control specialists into the region, and this is the largest deployment from cdc ever in the history. and we have had experts on the ground for some time now, and what you are seeing now is an effort to step up to significantly increase with the establi establishment of a joint forces command that will also be announced today to assist and he help coordinate the united states civilian and international response efforts. >> it is important to make that note, i mean, when you talk about the international response effort, it does of course beg the question, from the white house's perspective, how real of a threat is it that ebola would make its way here? >> well, kate, i think it is important for people to remember that this is a virus that is not spread via the air. it can only be contract ed, and ebola can only be contracted through a significant contact with bodily fluids from somebody

who is already sick. so it is very important for people to understand that, and i think that tom freeden from the centers for disease control has spoken extensively about this. our experts believe it is low probability that it would actually come here, and if it were, we've got the infrastructure and the public health expertise to isolate it and contain it, but what is important now is that we deploy the resources, and we have an international response that is stepped in and increased to contain and control the outbreak at its source in west africa. >> absolutely. a huge crisis west africa is facing from ebola right now. if i could switch gears to other major national security threat that the u.s. and you face everyday, the expansion of the u.s. in iraq. the air strikes outside of baghdad is a huge move, and it is requested by iraqi troops who

were under fire and the air strike troops moved in. it begs the question, is baghdad now at risk? >> well, kate, from the beginning, the president has been quite clear, we will take this fight to idil, and they do pose an immediate threat to our personnel in baghdad and irbil and now also in support of an inclusivaqi government which is important. what we are doing now, you seeing secretary kerry in the region building an international and regional coalition to respond to what is a global threat. >> do you think that baghdad is at risk? i mean, when this began months ago, it was kind of beyond comprehension that anybody would think that baghdad would fall, such such a huge u.s. embassy there, and that is originally pr p protecting the u.s. embassy

personnel is one of the original reasons that the united states went in to take action against isis, but is baghdad threatened right now? >> well, kate, what we have been able to see is that we are pushing isil back in the strikes taken around irbil and the president has said that we will do what is necessary to protect the personnel and support the iraqi government and iraqi forces, and that is what you are seeing now to some very good effect to push back isil and to take the fight to them to ensure that they don't have a safe haven. >> at the same time, we hear secretary kerry saying that the united states is open to talking to iran about the situation in iraq, but also being quick to point out that there is no military cooperation or intelligence sharing in that kind of a conversation, and with that in mind, what does "open to conversation with iran" when it comes to fighting isis in iraq mean? >> well, as you heard secretary

kerry say, no military coordination with iran, but we believe that all governments in the region in particular have a role to play in supporting an inclusive iraqi government. that is what secretary kerry has been urging in the region, as he also works to build the coalition abroad and coalition for a comprehensive campaign against isil to include military and diplomatic, and other security elements and humanitarian assistance as well. >> and that cooperation is key especially to any success in what is going on in iraq, and especially if it moves into syria, and lisa monaco, thank you. >> thank you very much. the attorney for adrian peterson is now denying a second allegation of child abuse against the viking player. and ray rice is expected to file an appeal against his suspension from the nfl. should both players be allowed back on the field? it is part of the debate that we will discuss. pretty. oh, hi, cortana. you look...nice.

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"new day." air strikes hitting isis targets near baghdad for the first time. the first stage of president obama's expansion of the assault on isis. this morning the president will meet with his newly announced envoy for isis, general john allen, as the senate committee grills top pentagon officials on the isis threat. more than 2,500 people have died from the ebola virus, and today, president obama is expected to e reveal an expanded strategy to stop the spread. ray rice has until 11:59 eastern tonight to appeal the indefinite suspension by the nfl. he was banned by the ravens after a video showed him punching his then fiancee in an elevator surfaced. and montana and alabama have been reporting respiratory virus that have been diagnosed as d68.

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there is news for you. former baltimore ravens' running back ray rice is expected to appeal his indefinite suspension from the nfl by tonight's deadline. my guess is that he is successful, and we will discuss w why. as you know, he has been sidelined over the video of him knocking out his then fiancee in the el evator. here is the take of the president of the players association with erin burnett. >> well, we are all entitled to a mistake, and he has been displained once and multiple

times by the commissioner. >> all of this as the vikings's adrian peterson returns to the field despite a child abuse char charge, and now his lawyers are denying new allegations, but actually old allegations, involving another up with of his kids that lives with another mother. joining me now is former cnn analyst and commentator sunny hostin, former prosecutor, and greg anthony. sunny hostin, can you make the case for why ray rice does not win this appeal? >> well, he is actually on pretty strong footing here. >> i said did not, does not. he is going to win, right? >> well, i said that it is a m complicated procedure, and it is a procedure that we don't see often when it comes to the nfl. >> six games and ooh how do you suspend it indefinitely. >> the issue is was he disciplined for same action more than once, and the other issue is did the -- did he lie to the

commissioner? did he lie in describing the incident, and was anything different between the first suspension and the indefinite suspension? >> do you think that the nfl, greg anthony, wants to get into the conversation of who lied here with ray rice? >> no. we all abhor the actions of ray rice, and that has been played out, but now, it is as if the league is trying to make him a scapegoat for the mistakes that they have made in a sense, because they are kind of damned if they do, and damned if they don't, because of the fact that after the video came out, he had a two-game suspension when everybody was crying before that expecting the full brunt of the commissioner's office, and then after the video comes out the team cuts him and they decide to suspend him indefinitely. it is not a p.r. move, but a public perception move, because that is what the league is in the business of, and they are trying to win back the favor of

the fans and potentially the sponsor sponsors, because this thing is picking up momentum. >> true. >> that is what they are trying to get in front of, which they did not do initially. >> they botched it. that is the bottom line. had they not botched it, he wouldn't have any grounds for the appeal, but because of the way that the nfl handled it, he has a strong case. >> but he has to serve tout penalty. p i would s i would say, yes, it was botch ed ed by the nfl, but in terms of who did the wrong thing, we are distrakt b distracted by the nfl. the nfl is an entertainment organization, and this guy was give en a plea deal by the prosecutor and pleaded guilty and given treatment. and where is the outrage of the prosecutor here, and why are everybody pointing to the nfl? >> well, i have been outraged with the prosecutor, because generally domestic violence is not eligible for the diversion program, because people who abuse, abuse again and again and i can't tell you how many witnesses refuse to get on the stand.

and unfortunately, some of them end up dead. >> and you don't need the victim, because you have the video. >> but the point is that you don't allow these defendants into the programs, and they did, but the nfl had and should have a zero policy when it comes to domestic violence and child abu abuse. >> but the system doesn't. >> well, the nfl should, and unfortunately the system doesn't. but the nfl should make a statement if there is a zero policy. >> and greg anthony, when they say that less of our guys get jammed up with the law than overall society and why a higher moral bar? >> well, simply to what you said, to whom much is given, much is expected. when you look at the professional athletes and those wo are running the -- who are running the teams, they are not the norm of the society in beginning, because they are the one percenters. so let me tell you i am totally against domestic violence. >> who is for it?

>> well sh, i will also say tha think that we are going to go down the slippery slope if we talk about zero tolerance, because what does that mean? i have a scenario where they are going to suspend the guy for six games, and think about the vitriol that ray rice has dealt with beyond football, buzz of the nature of what has happened. >> and yes -- >> well, that is where he is from new rochelle, and because there are people who are nice to him h, and are a lot of people who are not and to have the scarlet letter on you, if you will, it is damning. >> i don't think it is enough. >> well, i don't know if it is enough or not, but we are in america, where people make mistake, and i have made them the, and i don't know anybody who hasn't, and i don't know if you want to go down the path that if you make a mistake as egregious as that, we will take away the opportunity to make a living. >> well, he can make a living many ways, but playing

professional foot bball. >> well, not all athletes are have been a able to make a living -- >> well, you have done it, greg. >> i'm not the norm. there are a lot of cats who haven't. >> it is a privilege to play o professional sports, and what kind of message are we sending to children and to the our women that you can abuse a woman, and you can coldcock her like that and knock her unconscious, and catch it on videotape and you can go on the make $55 million dollars playing that particular sport? >> we saw a similar scenario going out with michael vick, and he went to prison, and he is a story of redemption. i'm not here to the condone ray rice or his actions, but i want to be more compassionate. >> it is more tricky, and adrian peterson is a better example of this, because what are we seeing there. one, ray rice, and the league says that we are going to the zero tolerance for domestic

violence, but hitting a kid is not going to the count and he is reinstated and playing this sunday? >> well, it is disturbing when you hear of possibly another case of child abuse. when you talk about doe mmestic violence and child abuse especially, you have to have the zero tolerance, because of the reaction of people, i believe that the spanking is the assault, and children are the only people in our society that we are allowed to hit. >> legally, good point. but legally if you hit me the way that you hit his son with a switch, right or wrong, you are go ing to be prosecuted. only children can be legally hit under the law which is not self-defense. >> because he is allowed the pl play. >> and people are in favor of spanking, and he did not spank, but abuse. >> first of all, let's stop saying that the gentleman is guilty. it has to play out. >> what do you need? we don't have video, but bruises and his admission. >> well, that is your opinion,

and there are segments of our society where that is an accepted norm, so it is not fair to sit here just because you don't believe -- >> and it is -- >> no, no, no. what he admitted to was with disciplining the child. was it excessive and that is where we will find out in a court of law. >> well, he -- >> well, i don't have a problem if you use a certain is amount of spanking and discipline and i have four children and most of society does not, and so all i'm saying is to sit here and say that this man is guilty of something because you don't believe in disciplining your child that way if a lot of people in america in particular have no problem with it. now, did he go overboard? that i don't know. >> how could you not know. with we have pictures of it. you see that is the problem that people are unwilling to call it what it is. >> final point, sunny, but in fairness this one of the things that is happening in the cultural conversation is, more people are like, it is spanking is the way it is and not black and people from the south, but the general thread, people are okay with it.

i'm not saying i am, but that is what we are seeing. where is your line of it? >> the line between discipline and abuse is clear. when you leave welts and bruises and open wounds, that is abuse. but the american pediatric academy said that spanking has negative koconsequences and children are made to be fearful and their mental illness issues that ar rides from it, and so spanking as discipline is not only ineffective in my view, but it is criminal. and you know, when you know better, you should do better. there were times before when we didn't allow our kids didn't wear helmets when they were riding the bikes and we didn't wear seat belts as children, but we know better. we know that spanking is ineffective and why are we still saying it is okay. >> i was spanked and i turned out okay. >> and you are going to be spanked now as soon as the egg isment is over, i have news for

you. >> and that is really, so many people are saying that i was spanked and i turned out okay. >> it is a badgef honor. >> no, we will say, you turned out okay in spite of it and not because of it. >> and we will continue it in the break, and it is a big one, and people are really on both sides so thank you very much greg anthony and sunny hostin, and i will protect you in the room. sunny has a bad shoulder, and i will take cow. another story, that a sworn agent of al quaid becomes the cia's man inside of the organization. morten storm is going to tell his story next.

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we are about to tell you an extraordinary tale from radical islam to double secret agent, and top secret double agent. morten storm is his name. he is a former danish boxer and then become a member of al qaeda and then a double agent. the story is chronicled in a new book "double agent for the al qaeda, inside of the cia." listen to this moment when he told officials that he wanted to fight terror. >> i told them that i wanted something with pork and bacon in it. >> and beer and bacon for the muslim. >> they could not believe it, their own ears. i told them, guys, i am no longer muslim and i want to fight the war on terror and i'm going to be on the right side, and he said, this is doing to be

great. >> i want to bring in nic robertson who you saw interviewing him, and paul kr cruikshank who co-wrote the book. and gentlemen, this is an intriguing and twisted tale. paul, start with you, how did the documentary come to light and how did we find out about all of this? >> well, the danish newspaper broke the initial details on the story, and so nic and i contacted this guy on the facebook page, and the facebook page of the cover company he was using in the espionage work, and a few weeks later we met him in an undisclosed location. >> my goodness! nic, you have been involved in some of the reporting on this and at one point in the documentary you call him the forest gump of radicalism, and can you explain that to me? >> well, this is a guy who just went out there, and wanted to be radical and wanted to the kind of join and mix with the jihadists and just wound up by the pure sort of time that he

was doing this, the late 1990s and early 2000s he was mixing with the people who would become the top leaders in the al qaeda and the most senior figure in al qaeda in yemen and inspiration to terrorists around the world, and the american-born cleric am war al wa ki. and he knew top leaders in african as well, and so this is it. he traveled the world, and met the people in the travels. >> but somewhere along the line, paul, he decided to switch sides. what motivates him, and how is he able to pull that off? >> he became disillusioned with al qaeda's world view and the fact that they were targeting so many citizens, and he wanted to fight in somalia, and could not go there and the sense of momentum was stalled, and he had time to do thinking and desired that he was on complete think wrong path. so he decided to work for the western intelligence and he knew how dangerous these people were, because he knew them up close

and he wanted to take the fight to them. >> he deradicalized. >> yes, quickly deradicalized, and people have to a fundamentalist interpretation of it, but when it collapses, it collapses fast. >> and so, help us to understand this. nic, before he was a double agent, he was first and foremost a fighter. is that why he was able to, i don't know gain the confidence and the trust of the people inside of the organization? >> he moved between denmark and britain and kenya as well and yemen. and amongst the radicals that he mixed with there, he attended a very radical seminary, and they knew him from the seminary, and he met the sort of radical le leaders on the way up through the organization, and he came back to denmark and britain, and mixed with the radicals there, and he with was out espousing a really radical sort of line of

islam, and even getting into confrontations almost a fight he got into one mosque in the denmark with one of the imams because he was so radical. and thatt got him on the telephone with an al qaeda leader in yemen and somalia and just sort of burnisheded his credentials with them, so they trusted him. this is what made him so valuable and not just the cia, but to the british and the danish spell jeintelligence as >> and then -- well, i don't want to give away the film, but something changes, and suffice it to say that he decides to speak with this danish journalist and we might argue that he has a ax to grind and that is what is motivating the bitterness. >> he wanted the world to know who he really was and which side he was fighting on. for most of the world, even people close to him, he was a

radical jihadist and sworn member of al qaeda, and he wanted the world to know who he really was, and he had to do it for his own sake and the people around him. >> and now he is a marked man. >> he is a marked man. and isis last year put out a video calling for people to kill him. >> in is compelling and twisted tale. i want to point you to the cnn special report called "double agent inside of al qaeda for the cia." it is tonight at 9:00 p.m. pacific. and check out the terrific book "perfect storm, my life inside of the al qaeda and cia." >> paul, upsetting and intriguing look inside of this operative's life. thank you, gentlemen. we have a story to tell you about a priceless artifact of 9/11 lost and then found again. this could very well restore your faith in humanity. it is the good stuff coming up. want to change the world?

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fell in 9/11 and had special bracelets made to remember the hero they lost, and that is the situation, but then michael auten's son had treasured it for years. >> it is a whole lot of memories of my childhood and i wore until i lost it. >> like so many kids while it was a bracelet to some, it is all that he had to connect him to his father, because he was so young. he was 8. then he is playing, and out in the surf, and he loses it on a long island beach. not only that, he is 8 years old when he loses it, and it is 10 years ago as you can tell from the picture, and he is heart broken, but it is not the end of the story. >> this one particular day, i looked down and there was a bracelet that had appeared after the wave had receded.

>> i don't know if you spend much time at the beach, but the idea of a bracelet washing back up, and being found, small, okay, in 2014. so that was e.r. nurse marlene quinn. she then used the engraving to get the bracelet and return it home. >> that is more amazing. >> how amazing was she to do that? and of course, it could not mean more to the kids but to michael ottten and his wife. >> it is a sign, he is here. he is with us. he's got our back, and it does not get much clearer than this. >> that is beautiful. there is another connection and tell him, nick. >> the nurse's brother is a firefighter and so she understands the importance they play in the world, and especially the fallen ones. >> but to take the time to find it and return it to them is a beautiful thing to do, and good stuff. >> certainly. >> yes. >> and you can say that it is a a hard sell even though she is

married to a veteran. >> and now to newsroom with carol costello. >> yes sh, there is a lot of ne. and "newsroom" starts right now. have a great day. good morning, i'm carol costello, and thank you for joining me. the war against isis has begun. as the united states strikes targets from the air near baghdad, america on the offensive for the first time. the action comes as isis claims another westerner for execution, and the senate prepares to grill our top military men about the cost of another war on terror. that is a senate hearing that will start in 30 minutes, and we expect to hear testimony the from defense secretary chuck hagel and joint chiefs chairman martin dempsey, but first to the white house where president obama is about to meet with the man in charge of the mission in charge of isis, general john