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that's it for us tonight. see you back here tomorrow night. >> "ac 360" begins now. >> thank you for joining us. a lot happening tonight. breaking news. this is a fast you need to know. a person you need how to be aware of the search now on for him. take a look. a survivalist accused of ambushing pennsylvania state troopers leaving one wounded another dead. we'll have the latest on a tense manhunt that is going on for him right now. also tonight, more breaking news. a sponsor drops vikings' adrian peterson and allegations that the he abused his second child, surfaces. questions hang over the team and the league. is he being allowed to play this weekend because the team need a win and winning is everything.
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>> president obama, declaring war on ebola in africa. as many as 3,000 u.s. troops, hundred of millions of dollars. one big fear the virus is spreading to fast, too far to contain. we begin though to night with reporting you will see here on the death of joan rivers. during what should have been a routine procedure at a new york out patient medical center. tonight new information about what allegedly happened inside the clinic including who was in the room what they were doing allegedly without authorization and as well as what some one was doing that should never be done in an operating room. plenty to talk about in a moment after we play the report. >> reporter: a source tells cnn investigators are learning this. an unauthorized procedure, a biopsy on rivers' vocal chord was begun on the comedienne while she was sedated. staffers told authorities they found no signed consent form from rivers. if so, ethicist doctor, arthur
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kaplan says that is a red flag. >> knowing exactly what is going to happen to you, is crucial to any care interaction. >> reporter: the morning began like this. our source says rivers was undergoing a scheduled endoscopy, by dr. lawrence cohen. inserting a tiny camera down her throat looking for possible digestiver use. when staffers say, cohen saw something. while rivers was under anesthesia, staffers told authorities rivers' personal ear, nose, throat specialist, examined river's vocal chords and began a biopsy. and in addition to the fact that the procedure was unauthorized. our source says the ent doctor was not certified to operate there. >> even though you are a licensed physician, you still should have, if you are checks and balances to got you approval to practice in a particular place. >> reporter: and there is more. in a statement the clinic flatly
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says a by on tee of the vocal chord has never been performed at the clinic. while technically true it doesn't appear to be the whole story. the ent doctor may not have bio. our source says it was started. our source says as the unauthorized biopsy got under way, rivers' vocal chord began to swell, cutting off her oxygen. putting her into cardiac arrest. >> doctor, if there were oxygen deprivation to the brain what particular impact might that have. if someone is elderly. in this case, 81 years old. >> the effect having no oxygen to the brain, damage to the nerve cells which can precipitate, coma, paralysis. in the elderly you have less of a win dedow to correct it. >> reporter: when rivers' heart stops beating second count. 9:40 a.m.
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the clinic calls 911. the call gets the highest code. sfif m 5 minutes later. fire rescue arrives. cpr under way, a defibrillator is attached. 9:47, mount sinai ambulance team arrives. joins the effort. a men out later, a second fire rescue unit arrives. by 9:50 a.m., ten emergency personnel are on the scene. one week later, joan rivers is dead. as new york's medical examiner and the state's health department continue to investigate, the clinic announcing a shake-up. in a statement saying, dr. cohen is not currently performing procedures nor is he currently serving as medical director. at this time, a source says, neither dr. cohen nor the ent is being accused of wrongdoing. citing federal privacy laws, the
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clinic declines comment on whether rivers' personal doctor was there and performed a biopsy. and now, andersen, this head shaking news. while rivers was under anesthesia, staffers tell investigators the ent, rivers' personal doctor, was taking a selfie. not the kind of thing you might expect from a doctor. >> taking a selfie with joan rivers? >> while sunny was in the room, under anesthesia. >> so, wait a minute. this is bizarre. the personal doctor was taking a photo of himself with joan rivers unconscious in the background? >> in this case, we believe, the doctor, a female, was in fact doing that with her in the background. that's what staffers have told investigators. >> wow. susan, appreciate the reporting. thank you very much. with me, arthur kaplan, the founder of the di vevision of
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bioethics. and in washington, jeffrey toobin. taking a selfie during an operation, never heard of that. >> you can take pictures with your patients. you need their permission youch you shouldn't be doing it in the clinical setting. with consent you are going to try to please your doctor. how many are going to say no. you go ahead and operate on me to. do it without consent, without permission, absolute violation of privacy. >> what do you make of this idea of doing a procedure that hasn't been preauthorized. the patient hasn't said yes, if you find something, biopsy it. >> anderson this is really not uncommon situation where somebody says i will go in here and look around. if i see something, since i am in, you are under an these yeah. maybe we continue and i biopsy it, take it out you. should have a consent that goes exactly in that manner. so you should expect, if i investigate something i will
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find something. then i well do something. you want to consent all the way through. a little odd if that didn't happen here why that wouldn't happen here. >> not an actual written form. >> to say all the way through. i soon uh. you have my permission. examine me. if we find something then don't do anything, wake me up. we will talk what to do. or do what you need how to do, biop biopsy, growth, whatever you find. fine too. >> jeff, what do you make of this? how much legal trouble could the doctors, clinic itself be in? >> certainly all of this is good reason for the rivers' family to hire a malpractice lawyer. but i have to say i think it's important that we not try and convict these doctors based, based on what we have seen. as art said, it is not uncommon when one procedure is done, the doctors decide to to do something else. and you know, while they are inside. that doesn't seem like an outrageous thing. in precise wording of the consent form.
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i don't know what the custom is. you know same thing with the other doctor in the room. it is possible that -- that this doctor, you know shouldn't have been there. but, this does apare pear to ha ben a re been a real doctor doing something seemingly reasonable under the circumstances. it seems like this was not handled in the best way. but whether joan rivers was killed by medical malpractice seems like a long stretch. >> jeff, the selfie? >> the selfie is just a terrible thing. certainly if this thing ever went to a courtroom, you can be sure that the defense would not want that in front of the jury. it is embarrassing, stupid, unprofessional. >> i find it hard to believe. i know this comes from staffers there. if this was her personal doctor, i'm sure that doctor would have plenty of opportunities to get a selfie with joan rivers. i don't know why she would need to get one with joan rivers sedated. >> people behave weirdly around
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celebrities. i, i, frankly it doesn't seem out of the question to me. whether it compromised her care, besides being unprofessional that is a separate question. >> the idea that the doctor wasn't cleared to perform this in that particular setting doesn't mean this doctor not able to perform this properly. >> jeff is right. we don't know exactly what the credentialing status and so on. i will say this. you know, the small deviations from protocol. you say you comen. true not supposed to be licensed to practice here. you are a licensed physician. know what you are doing. come on in, help out. we will do something additional wasn't on the consent form. when you get a death. let jeff confirm. all is used against you in malpractice and it starts to stack up. a bad outcome. look back and say didn't dupe this. didn't du do this. wrong guy. wrong place.
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unapproved. that's trouble. >> there are investigations of authorities. also possible civil lawsuit by the family. >> that's the biggest possibility of all of the possibilities that are out there. of course we, don't know -- what joan rivers condition was. an 81-year-old woman. as we all know, had lots of plastic surgery. i don't know what her health was in those circumstances. unfortunately, 81-year-old people, people at any age, sometimes go into cardiac arrest and die. it's not necessarily -- a doctor's fault. certainly there does seem to be the basis for further investigation. >> and, anybody at that age doing something out patient procedure that has got to be extra complications. extra concern? >> just by being 81. you know we all looked at her and thought man she is not that old. had a lot of plastic surgery. when you are 81. one of the physicians earlier said you have a problem. you didn't have enough reserve due to age. and risk of anesthesia and so
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on. much higher when you are an older person. other thing we have going on, anderson. is the facility have equipment and what they needed to resuscitate her. seeing all ambulances arrive. all personnel come in. who was on staff. who was supposed to be there shufrment th sure that will come up. why don't we have the def defibrillator here. >> celebrity changes so much. the fact that she was a celebrity might mean, have meant that they brought in different doctors. you know when you start changing the rules for celebrities it often hurts the celebrity themselves. maybe that's what happened here. >> jeff toobin, art kaplan. set your dvr, watch us any tomb you like. breaking news accused of killing a state trooper this man is. and wounding another. police have found his car, shell casings, camouflage, makeup. but have not yet found him. we'll have the latest on the manhunt going on right now.
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this man, eric matthew frein. called armed, dangerous, ideally suited to surviving on the run out in the wild. if you see hem. do not approach him. get some place safe. jason carroll is out where the manhunt is in full swing. he joins to us night. what are police saying? >> road blocks set up. police warning people to be cautious. on the outlook for this man. a man who police say obviously clearly had a grudge against law enforcement. and took out his anger on friday against those two state troopers. police say he killed brian dixon. private ceremony held for him today. also a flag raising ceremony for held for dixon today. he badly injured alex douglas. told douglas came out of surge year on monday and said to be doing much, much better. this shooting happened, not too far from where we are. frein lived an hour away.
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when police got to his house. they say his father said that two firearms were missing from the house. an ak-47. and also a rifle. here's what's interesting, anderson. in terms of what was found in the suspect's bedroom. a book titled." "sniper training" and employment. a little earlier today. police held a press conference where they gave more insight into what the motive may have been. this fellow is extremely dangerous. we have no idea where he is in the community. he has been described as a survivalist. he has a lot of training. in that particular area. he has made statements about -- wanting to kill law enforcement officers. and also, to commit mass acts of murder. what his reasons are, we don't know. but he has a very strong feelings about law enforcement. and, seems to be very angry with a lot of things that go on in
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our society. also telling police his son was well trained. had grew up with guns. in fact. at one point when he was in high school he was a member of the rifle club. and when asked about his son's shooting aabilities, he said, when he shoots, he never misses. anderson? >> i understand they found this guy's carr ein the pond two mil from the barracks. anything inside? >> two and a half miles from the barracks whe s where the shootik place. the green cherokee, belonged to his parents. he was driving it two years. forensic teams found a driver's license, social security card, spent casings, camouflage paint. and also military gear. we should tell you state police confirmed they're working with the fbi, anderson. one other point. they also had a message for the suspect. they said we will find you. >> jason, do we know the area
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where the car was found. residential. in the woods. do we know? >> very wooded. if it was lighter, you could see from the area we are, densely wooded. it would be very easy for someone with survivalist skills, like this man has been described. in order to blend in if you will and hide in the area. that's why police out here are deeply concerned about trying to fiend him before he hurts somebody else. >> jason. appreciate that. dig deeper now. bring in chris, a former lapd psychologist, law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes, former fbi deputy director. where does a manhunt lake this begin. the suspect would want to get as far away as possible. in the past we saw some times they stay close. >> that's right. anderson. recall two years ago, christopher dorner case in los angeles. l.a. police officer, fired.
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killed multiple members. ambushed two river side police officers. he abandoned his car in san bernardino county. they thought he could be in mexico. turns out located a week later, he is within a few hundred yard of the police barracks in that, san bernardino county sheriffs. the big fear you have in a case like this is a person is going to need shelter. they're going to need food. water. transportation if he plans on getting out of the area. west way for him to do that is do a home invasion. the public who have residential homes, cabins, shacks, they're vulnerable to that of this guy coming into their home. taking them hostage. possibly killing them. and taking their vehicles. and the statement that he is just after law enforcement, the other statements of that he has general hatred for everybody. makes him as dangerous to public as to the police.
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>> also, chris. what one says, wanting to kill law enforcement and what one does when cornered are two different things. the fact this person is talking about in general, committing mass murder. worst possible scenario. >> this is a man who does not necessarily have one target in mind. the world at large can be that which he inflicts his vendetta against. made it clear. made statements. you have to take those seriously. exactly what -- tom was saying. anybody that comes into contact with him. should stay clear. notify authorities. any body in the region. should be very -- concerned and very vigilant. >> i think back. chris dorner situation. he had a grudge against the lapd. but also ended up shooting police officers from riverside. right. generalized to other law enforcement in general. we don't know specifics if there is a certain law enforcement
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agency. this guy has a vendetta. he as a thirst for blood of any sort. animosity he is wanting to inflict against the world. needing to prove himself is likely here. the fact that he departed to the woods and that area. apparently. means that anybody in the vicinity need to be cautious. >> tom, from a law enforcement perspective, having some body who has experience in the wood. searching a wooded area, a whole different thing than what police normally do. searching a residential area. or operating in a residential environment. do they bring in -- specialists in the wood. how does that work? >> normally for that search. they would use helicopters with forward looking infrared. that would look down and be heat seeking for, you know, an animal, a person, moving around. unfortunately, with those -- types of equipment.
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they often find deer, bear, other wild animals running around in the woods. and, you know, they're often used, if the lost child is being searched for or something like that. there is a lot of technical equipment can be in. police will have to go door to door. they will have to keep one other thing in mind. the fbi had a case in 2010. involving the militia in michigan. their intent was to kill one police officer and ambush hundreds who attended the police funeral parade later. that's going to happen for this officer. off awe tom fuentes. appreciate you being on. and chris montez. thank you. we'll be following this throughout the evening. coming up next, vikings' adrian peterson. breaking news on a major sponsor cutting ties with him. largest question of star treatment. two allegations against him. one game suspension. now minnesota's governor is weighing in. details ahead. denver international is one of the busiest airports
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castrol. yesterday, radisson dropped the vikings over the indictment. and rumblings from anheuser-busch, sent a statement, sponsor, anheuser-busch which said we're disappointed and completely concerned. we are not yet happy about the league's handling of the culture and moral code. the governor of minnesota calling for peterson's suspension. the vikings reinstated him after suspending him for one game, a game the vikings lost without their star player. he is expected to play this sunday in the vikings' next game. we'll have more in a moment. but first a second allegation of child abuse, and peterson is raising new questions. >> reporter: a new string of text messages obtained by the station details another alleged incident of abuse by peterson, this time with a different son. the alleged incident happened last summer. the station reports peterson allegedly sent a picture of one
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of his boys to the child's mother. the little boy had a bandage on his head. according to the report, the mother responded what happened to his head? peterson responds hit his head on the car seat. how did this happen? he got a whooping in the car? >> yep. >> the mother writes why? >> i felt bad he did it. >> be still and took the wooping, he would have saved the scar, he is all right. adrian peterson's attorney says the allegations there is a second child abuse investigation, simply not true. the attorney says it was an accusation that was not substantiated and shopped around to two different authorities in two different states over a year ago and that nothing came of it. the attorney said there was an adult witness who insisted that peterson did nothing wrong. in the final text messages with the unidentified mother, she writes, i'm real sensitive about my baby and him being hit, to which peterson responds, you
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tripping, you come get him. i'm not about to get questioned down like you cps. >> i was incredibly sad and horrified. >> reporter: nick wright is familiar with the full details of the police report with the other incident involving peterson's 4 year old son that led to the football son that led to the football star's indictment last week, saying in the report it is clear peterson believes in tough discipline, although texas investigators say this incident crossed the line into child abuse. >> this did not have the feeling of you know, dad comes home from work looking for someone to hit. it was it appeared to me that this was -- this is how dad was raised, if not that dad was raised more harshly and that this is how he believes you raise young men in america. >> reporter: to many, that is a gross justification. minnesota's governor called peterson an embarrassment to the viking's football organization and called for the star runningback to be suspended until the legal process is complete. and even casual football watchers likely heard of adrian peterson, but unless you're a
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vikings fan you probably never adrian jefferson, aaron henderson, caleb king, each player suspended by the vikings in recent years, soon after being arrested but before a court ruling of guilt or innocence. seems a different set of rules apply in peterson's case. unlike most of those players peterson has not been cut nor is no longer suspended and will play this sunday. the vikings saying it is right for him to go through the process legally. a.j. jefferson, chris cook, caleb king would have liked to have had that right. are there two different sets of rules, one for others, one for stars? joining us, former federal prosecutor sunny hostin and roger costick, they moved quickly to distance themselves. is there a double standard? >> i don't think there is any question there is a double standard. chris cook was being
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investigated on felony domestic abuse charges. he didn't play for ten games during that stretch. adrian peterson misses one game and is supposed to be back on the field this weekend. and as for the details in the cases emerge, the accusations in the second case that ed went over with the text messages, there are a lot of people in the state of minnesota that are getting increasingly upset. there are a lot of cases where possibly disciplining your child crosses over to child abuse. and the standards are if it violates the standards of the communities. well, you're dealing with two different communities. you have the texas community where the allegations are that the incident occurred and then you have the minnesota community which maybe has a different standard. and they read a statement that peterson released saying hey, i did all of these things but my
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intent is different than you think. we're hearing from a lot of people from the state of minnesota, saying hey, your intent doesn't really matter. we see the wounds on your child and that is not okay. >> does the intent matter? >> i don't, it doesn't matter, and i think any one that looks at photographs, and any one mind fufl his response the i love my children, i am nate child abuser, really lead you to believe he doesn't understand, or, well he doesn't understand the import of actions, clear child abuse. not discipline. and i think that unfortunately, there is this celebrity justice taking place. and i also think, anderson, that what is so odd to me about this entire conversation is people are saying well, he made a mistake. but this is child abuse. it is not -- a mistake. >> there are a lot of people who disagree with that, what sunny said. i got a lot of tweets last night saying look this is the way i was raised. just like peterson said this is the way i was raised, this is what my parents did to me. spare the rod, spoil the child. >> anderson, we're talking about
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a beating with a switch to a 4-year-old child. not a teenager, and that would be unacceptable, too. we're talking he beat the hell out uf a 4-year-old child this is not disciplining your child, this is child abuse, and is he being treated differently by the vikings, you bet he is. they lost that game last week and suddenly they need to reinstate him? they have to make peace with what they have done. >> we talked to other players who have actually been convicted and are being still allowed to play while they appeal the conviction. >> yeah, and it is interesting. we talked a lot about greg hardy of the carolina panthers, who was convicted of assaulting his girlfriend. the panthers put him out there. there was so much of an outcry between weekend one and two that the morning of the game they did decide to deactivate him.
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that is after saying all week he was going to play. first of all it tells you the public's voice matters. people need to keep talking about it because it is having an effect. and then it leads to where the sponsor's voice matters. and i do think that dollar sign speaks louder than words when you have anheuser-busch and visa making a statement saying they don't think the nfl has done enough. radisson hotels is taking back their sponsorship. we'll have to see if adrian peterson actually gets onto the field on sunday. right now the vikings are saying he will play but we have a lot of people weighing in saying he should not. and as the noise gets louder, we'll see if it has an effect. >> so roger, are you saying you don't think he should play until a court determines exactly what happened? he should not be able to play? >> absolutely, i believe that. due process is two different things here, what you're talking
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about is due process in the criminal courts and obviously i believe in due process in the criminal courts. he should have a trial and fair trial and the jury should decide whether they think it is reasonable for a man to do what he did to a 4-year-old child. i think obviously a jury should make that decision. but in terms of whether or not he plays for the minnesota vikings that can be decided right now. he has admitted what he has done. he didn't deny it. i'm not sure he even gets it. and it seems to me he has no place on the field. >> and sunny, you are saying you agree with it? >> well, absolutely, the court system makes the decision, as well. why don't they make the decision now. just ahead, committing u.s. troops to fight ebola in africa. what it will mean on the ground as the epidemic grows faster. and doctors alone can't contain it. smarter grids and smarter phones. think up new ways to produce energy. be an engineer. solve problems the world needs solved.
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to regional security but a potential threat to global security if these countries break down, if their economies break down. if people panic. >> speaking from the cdc in atlanta, president obama outlined a plan that includes sending as many as 3,000 u.s. troops to liberia. before leaving washington president obama met with dr. kent brantly and his wife. as you may remember, dr. brantly contracted ebola while working in liberia's capital. he testified this month. for months, they have been begging for help. and the disease has grown exponentially. so the president announced plans. what are the details of it? >> reporter: well, you mentioned the 3,000 troops, that is a big number. i tell you, anderson, we have been covering stories for a long time.
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this is the largest public response i've heard of just outside the united states. just these numbers alone they want to build hospital beds eventually. and also train health care workers, 500 a week. obviously this is very important because the response will end, and what happens when the troops start to leave? they also want to do something i think is very interesting, which is provide about 400,000 home protection kits. you and i have talked about it, anderson, despite everything that is going on there, there is still a lot of distrust doctors and hospitals. people will stay at home, this is more of an acknowledgment of that. we'll stay at home, and provide the protection kits. so if somebody is sick in the home they are not subsequently spreading it to anyone else. the analogy i hear about this, anderson, you can't leave even one burning ember behind because eventually that could be a source of an outbreak. so it has to be a robust effort in many places. >> but in particular, it focuses
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on liberia, but doesn't address the problem in guinea or sierra leone. >> reporter: i was in guinea, it sort of started in guinea and then spread to the other places. so it is a little hard to understand just focusing an of this attention in liberia will affect this -- these other countries in that region. maybe they will have these health care workers then spread out from that area. maybe this is going to serve more as a staging area. but you know, we've seen this in other countries around the world, even cities in haiti, for example. if there was not a more broader effort it is hard to coordinate care in all of these different places. so i don't know how this is all
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going to work. i've asked that same question. and i will point out some of the plans that we've heard from the president, they have sort of been in planning for sometime. this situation happened a couple of days ago. this has been given thought. they will take the fall and go from there. you will also get a vote from the u.n. security council tomorrow on whether the u.n. should step in, in other parts of west africa. so why the united states is focusing on liberia alone right now, i don't know. it could be the hope that other people pick up the slack. >> we'll see if other countries join in on this. again, it seems like the u.s. leading the way on this. sanjay gupta, thank you. u.s. troops and the general says he is not clowie i closing the . details ahead.
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i believe that will prove true. but if it fails to be true, and if there are threats to the united states then of course i would go back to the president and make a recommendation that may include the use of u.s. military ground forces. >> we have cnn correspondent barbara starr joining us right now. he says if the air campaign against isis fails then ground troops could be something he would recommend on a case by case basis. >> good evening, beyond, general dempsey talked about two cases in which he might recommend ground troops. one would be if he needed the troops to call in airstrikes to locate targets from the ground and call airstrikes in or to advise the iraqi air forces, and what they call close combat, meaning you're right up there at the front line. so is this different than what the president is talking about?
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are these troops in combat? well, they may not be in direct offensive combat. you know, if you're out there and bullets are coming your way you're in combat. so -- there is a semantics theme going on here. there is a bit of wordssmithing. but later, the general clarified about what he was saying, not putting troops right into combat. but talking about the case in which u.s. troops may help on the ground in a semi-combat situation. >> so the house votes tomorrow giving the president to pass and the authority to train rebels. do we know what the operation would look like? how quickly it would begin? how they will identify and vet these people? >> all of the problems with all of this. and the training program, about 5,000 moderate syrian rebels per year is according to the administration absolutely crucial to dealing with isis on the syrian border. the problem is how do you identify them? where do you train them? no country has exactly stepped up to welcome the 5,000 troops
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to their country to be trained. and perhaps most interesting, senator mccain pointed out today his problem with the whole effort if you train and equip these moderate syrian rebels what is to say they're going to fight isis? they may just go back to syria and fight the assad regime. no guarantees about any of this. >> all right, thank you, barbara thank you for the update. it took years for u.s. in tell j agency to target the key operatives. some of this information came from a former danish boxer, morton storm. he shares in "agent storm my life inside al qaeda and cia" he co-wrote with an analyst and journalist. tonight, at 9:00 eastern time, just nine minutes from now. the cnn special for the double agent inside the al qaeda, for the cia,
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telling his story. it is really an unbelievably fascinating story. he joined up as an islamist. and then became a double agent. why did he choose to do that? >> he became radicalized after converting. and then he went deep into al qaeda's world, getting to know many of the people who became top al qaeda leaders. people like anwar al-alaki. and he had all of these contacts. he was trusted by them and was perhaps the most important spy that the cia has had inside al qaeda since 9/11. >> is it clear -- people become double agents for many reasons, some financial, some other reasons. some ideological. do we know what turned him around? >> he was fed up with all the civilian casualties from al qaeda and did all the soul-searching, deciding the only thing he could do was to work with the cia. he knew just how dangerous these people were, because he rubbed shoulders with them for years and years. >> how did he make contact with them?
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if he is deep in bed with them, with these terrorists, how did he make contact with the cia? >> well, he came back to denmark, and the danish operatives tried to recruit him he rebuffed them again and again. over and over again. again, when he was ready, to prove he switched sides he ordered bacon and beer. they were very, very excited that the guy who they monitored, they had been monitoring were very worried about had all these contacts in al qaeda. they were very excited he would work on their side and he become a key resource. >> ordering beer and bacon, a design to them, he was no longer following the strict -- the dietary laws. in terms of what he actually was able to accomplish for western intelligence, anwar al-alaki was killed. did he have something to do with that? >> the admissions he was involved with, one involving a honey trap with a blond croatian woman who was sent out
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to marry al-alaki with a tracking device. tonight you will see. but in the end, he had this courier going between him and the cia. able to monitor the meetings. trace it back to al-laki. >> it is an incredible story, an amazing tale. what happened to him? i understand he is in hiding. >> he is in hiding. isis last year threatened his life, put out a video where they shot against his picture on a wall in syria. he doesn't receive protection from western intelligence. he has to have his wits about him every single day. >> why doesn't he have protection? >> because he has spoken to journalists, he wrote a book. he felt that was the best thing he could do. he wanted the world to know what he really was. that he was not part of al qaeda. he was really secretly working for western intelligence with cia. >> and because of that, that was
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something obviously western intelligence, they don't want people they are protecting to write a story like this. so they said we can't protect you. >> yeah, that was the deal. you stay silent, we protect you, you go public, you're on your own. wildfires burn in northern california. threatening hundreds of homes right now. details ahead! who's going to make it happen? discover a new energy source. turn ocean waves into power. design cars that capture their emissions. build bridges that fix themselves. get more clean water to everyone.
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andersen, a delay in the case of the shooting death of unarmed teenager michael brown by police officer darren wilson in ferguson, missouri. a st. louis county judge extended the deadline for a grand jury to decide whether wilson should be charged. the new deadline, january 7th. wildfires forced thousand of people from their homes and burned at least 9,000 acres. that is in northern california as you see. the biggest fire is in the el dorado national forest east of sacramento and is only 5% contained. >> well looks like nasa awarded contracts to boeing and space x to take astronauts to and from international space station. since the shuttle program ended astronauts have been going on russian spacecraft. the space crafts from both come pans will undergo safety testing before they're certified for flight. >> 360 follow-up on aster we covered last summer. a area pleaded guilty to giving
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patients unnecessary chemo to defraud medicare and private insurance company. the doctor faces up to 175 years in prison when he is sentenced in february. we are following that. >> unbelievable. susan, thank you the following is a cnn special report. morton storm. for half a decade he says he moved back and forth between two worlds and two identities. when one misplaced sentence could have cost him his life. >> you don't know what angle he is playing.
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