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for 1.6 million votes. the breaking news from scotland. that was the leader of the yes campaign putting a positive spin
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on what happened, thanking his voters but conceding that his side has lost. hello, and welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world as we continue our special coverage of scotland's referendum result. it's 7:00 in the scottish capital, and people around the country are waking up to the news that they have rejected independence from the united kingdom. we're still awaiting the formal, final result, but everyone has been giving their speeches, including alastair darling. 45% voted for independence. 55% voted no. turnout was high as expected.
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we're waiting to hear any moment from the british prime minister cameron. he tweeted, i congratulated them on a well-fought campaign thank you to scotland for 1.6 million votes for scottish independence. it's important to say that our referendum was an agreed and consented process, and scotland has, by majority, has decided not at this stage to become an independent country. i accept that verdict of the people and i call on all of scotland to follow suit and accept the democratic verdict of the people of scotland. so we now accept the
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consequences of scotland's decision. firstly, the edinburgh agreement is now in operation. on behalf of the scottish government i accept the result and i pledge to work constructively in the interest of scotland and the rest of the united kingdom. secondly, the unionist party devolved more powers to scotland. scotland will expect these to be honored in rapid force. as a reminder, we have been promised a second reading of a scotland bill by the 27th of march next year and not just a 1.6 million scots who voted for independence will demand that that timetable is followed, but all scots who participated in this referendum will demand that that timetable is followed.
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[ applause ] >> so, conceding, not a humble speech but making demands. >> reporter: i think he said he's going to speak to david cameron after his press conference, and we expect david cameron to come out within minutes to make his statement. so it probably is happening right now or has just happened. it is interesting watching that speec speech. he was completely discounting the idea only yesterday saying only an independent scotland
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would do. but he is a great survive. and credit to him for creating a campaign which was full of energy and did ultimately get something like 45% of the vote. so he does go into any negotiations with david cameron with a mandate. we'll have to see what his party in scotland, whether they will want him to represent them in that. but he is going to give it a go. and you can never underestimate alex hammond. >> and he did talk about this triumph for the win side. and alastair darling tonight said the silent majority spoke. the silent spoke. very interesting that he put it that way, because clearly the yes campaign was way more energized on the trail. >> reporter: and when i spoke to
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him on the campaign trail a few weeks ago, he kept saying that as well, the silent majority are with us. that is what made it so nerve-wracking for the no campaign, because they thought with any rational mind you would think at what was being offered to the people of scotland and ultimately fall on the no side. there were too many risks on the yes side and there were lots of shows of aggression on the yes side. >> max, we've got to go to david cameron right now who's walking out of 10 downing street. >> good morning. the people of scotland have spoken, and it is a clear result. they have kept our country of four nations together pt and like millions of other people, i am delighted. as i said during the campaign, it would have broken my heart to see our united kingdom come to an end. and i know that sentiment was
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shared by people not just across our country but also around the world because of what we've achieved together in the past and what we can do together in the future. so now it is time for our united kingdom to come together and to move forward. a vital part of that will be a balanced settlement, fair to people in scotland and importantly, to everyone in england, wales and northern ireland as well. let us remember, first, why we had this debate, and why it was right to do so. the scott earn national party was elected in 2011 and promised a referendum on independence. we could have tried to block that. we could have tried to put it off m but just as with other big issues, it is right to take and the not to duck the big decision. i am a passionate believer in our united kingdom, and i wanted
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more than anything for our united kingdom to stay together. but i am also a democrat, and it was right that we accepted the snp's majority and gave the scottish people their right to have their say. let us also remember why it was right to ask the definitive question, yes or no. because now the debate has been settled for a generation, or as alex hammond has said, perhaps for a lifetime. so there can be no disputes, no reruns. we have heard the settled will of the scottish people. scotland voted for a stronger scottish parliament, backed by the strength and security of the united kingdom. and i want to thank the no campaign for that, for showing that our nations are better together. i also want to pay tribute to
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the yes campaign for a well-fought campaign. and to say we hear you. we now have a chance, a great opportunity to check the way the british people are governed and change it for the better. political leaders on all sides of the debate now bear a heavy responsibility to come together and work constructively, to advance the interest of people in scotland as well as those in england, wales and northern ireland for each and every citizen of our united kingdom. to those in scotland skeptical of the constitutional promises that were made, let me say this. we have delivered on devo lugs on this government and we will do so again in the next parliament. the three pro-union parties have made commitments, clear commitments on further powers for the scottish parliament. we will ensure that those commitments are honored in full. and i can announce today that lord smith of kelvin who so
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successfully led glasgow's commonwealth gains has agreed to oversee the process to take of the devo lugs process. just as the people of scotland will have more power over their affairs, so it follows that the people of england, wales and northern ireland will have a bigger say. the rights of these people need to be respected, preserved and enhanced. it is absolutely right that a new and fair settlement for scotland should be accompanied by a new and fair settlement that applies to all parts of our united kingdom. in wales there are proposals to give the welsh government and parliament more power. and you want wales to be the heart of the government to decide how to work for all our nations.
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in northern ireland we need to make sure that the institutions function effectively. but i've long believed that a crucial part missing from this national debate is england. we've heard the voice of scotland, and now the millions of voices of england must also be heard. the question of english votes for english law, the so-called west lothian question requires a decisive answer. so just as scotland will vote separately on their issues of tax, spending and welfare, so, too, england, as well as wales and northern ireland should be able to vote on these issues, and all this must take place if tandem with and at the same pace as the settlement for scotland. i hope that this is going to take place on a cross-party basis. i've asked william hague to draw up these plans. we will set up a cabinet committee right away. and proposals will also be ready
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to the same timetable. i hope the labor party and other parties will contribute. it is also important that we have wider civil engagement about how to empower our great cities. and we will say more about this in the coming days. this referendum has been hard fought. it has stirred strong passions. it is electrified politics in scotland and caught the imagination of people across the whole of our united kingdom. it will be remembered as a powerful demonstration of the strength and vitality of our ancient democracy. record numbers registered to vote. and record numbers cast their vote. we should all be proud of that. it is reminded us how fortunate we are that we are able to settle these vital issues at the ballot box, peacefully and calmly. now we must look forward and turn this into the moment when
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earn, whichever way they voted, comes together to build that better, brighter future for our entire united kingdom. thank you very much. and good morning. >> how can you guarantee success -- >> that is the prime minister of great britain and the united kingdom, who is breathing a massive sigh of relief today. he will not go down as the prime minister who lost the united ki kingdom. he has come out. he has congratulated the yes campaign and congratulated the no campaign too. he said he would have been heartbroken if our united king dom had broken up m he had justify and said to the critics, why did you give them the choice
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of the referendum. he said i am a democrat. the snp were in charge. it was only right to give them their chance. and now that it's happened there is no dispute, no re-run. they have clearly spoken. and the scottish people have spoken to stay within the united ki kingdom. he then set out a list of what vows and promises he and the other party leaders will keep. he talked about moving on to promise and to keep the promise of those devolved powers that perhaps swung the vote to the no campaign in the very last week to ten days of this. he talked about drawing up legislation by january to talk about other issues by november. he talked about tax and spending and all the other funding issues. he also talked about giving the other constituent component parts, all of brittain's four nations or united kingdom's four
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nations to have more power, including wales, including the northern ireland to be able to fu function. becky anderson is right there outside 10 downing street. this is an amazing hour for the prime minister, becky. >> reporter: yes it is, and the way that the united kingdom will be running forward will be changed. you made a good point about the english powers to english lawmakers for people of england. the machinations of the u.k. government here are such that scottish lawmakers vote on english law and on their own law in scotland. and the idea is going forward -- and this is pressure from his own back benches, those in the conservative party who sit in parliament in david cameron's government. they want to see english lawmakers making decisions for
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the people of england. that would be devolving power to a certain extent. look. it was a very specific and definitive statement. you could see he was extremely tired. it seems he's been up all night as most of us have been. but he said the scots have spoken. he said this is a clear result. en the union of four nations will stay together. and he was very happy about that. he said he is a passionate believer in the u.k., but as you pointed out, he's also a democrat. and it was clear that this first parliament, this first conservative government has pushed along certain issues of deaf lugs. and he said that would continue for the scots and of course for the welsh, for the english and for northern ireland if they so desire. so what happens next? well, there is a new figure in tow here who would be charged with getting on with the promises, the vows of deaf lugs
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by november for legislation by the beginning of the new year. so people want to see, certainly in scotland, don't forget, that 1.6 million people in scotland voted for scottish independence. it was less than 50%, but not much less, given what, two, three, four weeks ago the lead for the no campaign was as high as 22 points. it was crushed down to a much smaller margin, they didn't win. but nearly half of scotland voted for independence. these vows were made in the dying days. they would get more power, more facility to fund their own issues. scottish parliament gets to run its affairs for scotland more than it ever has before. so a lot of change this morning in the u.k. a very tired, but one assumes, very relieved prime minister here. and i think there would be a lot of pressure on his shoulders to
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resign if he had been the steward of the breakup of the united kingdom. the four nations now stay together. he's a believer in that. he's also a democrat. so going forward, this process has now begun. but do watch for more devolved powers for the other constituents as you pointed out, not just for scotland. it's like you've had were your chance, now give the other three constituents their chance, and we'll see a lot of change going forward. watch this phase. >> indeed, we'll be watching this phase. he actually named specifically, two prominent personalities who will deal with the idea of drawing up plans for devolving to scotland the tax, spending and welfare ahead of legislation expected in january. and he also named the former british foreign secretary william hague to draw up plans for this. prime minister david cameron
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said this issue, this independent issue has been settled for a generation and perhaps even for a lifetime. there are no reviews, no recounts, no disputes on this. after a break, we'll get reaction from glasgow, which actually voted yes.
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okay. here we are in edinburgh outside the historic edinburgh castle. and there is a sense of satisfaction today in scotland for those who were opposed to
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independence from the united kingdom. some 55% to 45%. although, to be frank, we haven't actually heard the official vote counter to tell us the official final percentages, but we've hear the concession speech from alex hammond. we've heard the speech from prime minister david cameron who's just come out in the last 15 minutes at 10 downing street. and we foe the voter turnout has been well over 80%. so there's no arguing that the vote was a fair reflection of public sentiment here. one of the strategies for the yes campaign was trying to mobilize working class voters in big cities such as glasgow. that area did go for independence, but turnout was lower than expected there. that is where nick robertson is right now. >> reporter: yeah, christiane, for the yes campaign, i was
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listening to david cameron m did he reach out to them. he paid tribute to the campaign that they fought. some of the young campaigners deeply disappointed. and they'll be listening to david cameron's speech to see if there's any gaps in his language about keeping good on the promise to give the greater powers of taxation, welfare and economic powers which he said he's doing. the only thing they can look to in the language that this may not go as quickly as they wish, he said it must happen with wales, northern ireland as well. so there is a process that will begin in edge land and wales and northern ireland as well as this process that is given to lord smith and kelvin here in glasgow who oversaw the commonwealth
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games to start making plans for pushing that forward. a double message, if you will. one that's very, very clear. this was a clear vote. there is an agreement. this is a vote for a generation perhaps, as alex hammond said, for a lifetime. clearly indicating no space for alex hammond to come back in a couple years and ask for another vote. but also alex hammond, the leader of the snp will be able to say he really has precipitated a change in the whole united kingdom, because that is what we heard from the prime minister david cameron saying, scotland has these powers, but we're also going to have to bring these in for england, northern ireland and wales in tandem with scotland. >> that is right. prime minister david cameron said we hear you.
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change is coming. and he has started to outline what many are talking about as a massive constitutional change for the united kingdom. and that, obviously, is going to be the story going forward. because we know that independence has been rejected. we know what david cameron, the prime minister has outlined this morning in terms of what he intends to do and the process he tends to set in motion. he's named people to talk about tax, welfare and spending by november, to bring in legislation by january, but also the former british foreign secretary, william hague has been tasked with dealing with all this from an english perspective. it's going to change the face of british politics as we know it, and that is going to be the huge story here going forward. but for now, let's check in with errol barnett.
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>> those supporting the no to independence have won. without looking at the numbers you may look at the map and think all those people voting no, it seems like it was overwhelming. really, the key was how the votes fell in scotland's largest cities. let's walk through some of those now, glasgow, roughly 486,000 registered voters. the yes votes were expected to win here. this is a strong hold of the yes campaign. the issue, though, take a look at the turnout. only 75%. that's much lower than we've seen in much other scottish councils. turnout being 80, some places as high as 90%. those who wanted scotland to split away did not show up in as large numbers as many of the other councils really doomed those supporting independence. let's show you how the numbers
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fell. edinburgh. we've moved east now from glasgow. almost 380,000 voters and this a stronghold for the no campaign. so we talked about glasgow. the yes votes were ahead by 24,000. but here in edinburgh, the no votes were ahead by 70,000. so that almost cancels out the gains in glasgow. let's show you the third largest city. aberdeenshire. and registered voters around 175,000, and leaning toward the no side. 24,000 additional no votes added to the 70,000 votes in edinburgh. erases, cancels out the gains that the yes campaign made in glasgow. let's show you the remaining city. the we had dundee. these results came out, the yes
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votes took this jurisdiction but not by enough. around 119,000 registered voters here only take the yes side by 14,000 votes. once again, not enough to sway the overall electorate. have they officially called this yet? we want to show you the numbers in highland. we have 190,000 registered votes there still to be counted. so until all these votes come in, you won't have scottish officials announce the results officially, but we can tell you with 190,000 people in the highlands and the no votes ahead by 374,000, it's irrelevant. it's a mathematical improbability and possibility, no matter what comes in from the highlands. the no campaign really won this. but the message loud and clear, 1.6 million people roughly voting to brake away from the u.k. and alex salmon saying they
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want to take that political capital and use it over the next few years. it's the no to independence but a yes to something different. >> you're exactly right. le and of course when you mention the high lands, you know, it's far, and there have been all sorts of conversations about how difficult it would be to get some of these votes into the central counting stations in sort of a quick time period. but obviously, as you say, statistically, this is a done deal, the prime minister of great britain, the united kingdom has said that the no campaign has won. the united kingdom remains united. and this will be the case for at least a generation. we'll be back after a break. [ bagpipe music ]
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your perfect color and get a free trial offer at airoptixcolors.com. welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world as we continue our breaking coverage from scotland. i'm christiane amanpour from scotland where voters have rejected the idea of leaving the united kingdom. the formal announcement of the results is yet to come, but everybody has already come out. at this point, the no campaign finished with 55% of the vote. 45% voted in favor of independence. turnout was high as expected, approaching 90% in some districts.
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joining me now to discuss this historic moment now is a professor in economics. and even though you are an american you have been advising alex salmond. >> yes, i used to work with him. >> are you surprised the way this went? >> no. first and foremost, we've known that scots wanted to have a say, that even before there was an snp government they wanted to speak about independence. and i think that's why we saw such enormous turnout around the country. and it's great to see that. >> as an american, you'll be technically gratified, because turnout is never this high in even the most important election. and as they said, it's so rare to see this kind of participation anywhere in the
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democratic world. >> yes. you can look at glasgow, which is scotland's biggest city, a city that went for independence, and even there, 75% of the vote turned out. you had the vote extended to 16 and 17 year olds. for people who talk about apathy, they should be looking at scotland. >> you are at the center for american progress in the united states. >> yes. >> onlook at all these political and other issues. do you think that the precedent-setting 16-year-old vote is something that might spread beyond this referendum? might be received in the united states ever? >> i think it would be great if we did. but let's be honest. it would take a lot of bravery from politicians to ask even more people to turn up to the polls, but i think it would be a wonderful thing. >> what about the facts of what's happened. the fact that there is no independence for scotland. they've chosen to stay part of the united kingdom. but as prime minister cameron
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said, we hear you. and he detailed a lot of change which most here say is completely going to change the face of politics and the constitution of this united kingdom. >> i think that's true. let's remember, 45% of scots voted for independence. that's a record number. then you have 55% who were voting for something more, for this promise of unprecedented home rule as gordon brown said. now i would say the prime minister absolutely detailed an ambition. but we need to see what that is. and he's given himself a tight timetable. and there will be millions of people around scotland and the united kingdom to see what he delivers. >> and already he's delivered. because nobody expected him to come out and give a date. and he's said, he's named a particular peer to draw up the details of tax and spending and welfare by november. that's a couple of months from now, with legislation to be presented by january. >> right. >> it's a very ambitious timetable. >> it is. and what will be interesting is,
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as much as the unionist parties could band together to fight this particular campaign, there isn't a lot of consensus between them on what those particular powers to scotland should be. and it's not just a conversation within scotland, as we heard from the prime minister. you're going to have voters in england watching this, voters in wales, in northern ire land. what we're seeing is a political earthquake. >> and he actually named somebody who's very familiar to people in the united states and around the world. the former british secretary william hague to deal with the english piece of this puzzle. because as the prime minister said, we're busy devolving powers to scotland and wales, and he's come under pressure from english members of parliament who say what about us. what will happen? >> what the prime minister ruled out is english votes for english laws.
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let's be clear what that means. epg land is the vast majority of the united kingdom. it's 50 million of the 60 million people. if you have westminster voting on english laws on engli-- >> what does it mean? >> it means what happens to all the mps from other constituents, how do they vote? when do they get to vote? what does it mean, for example, if you have a labor government in the united kingdom, but you can't have labor member the of parliament voting on the government's own business. account government actually pass its own legislation going forward? now in is particularly interesting for a conservative prime minister to bring in, because he could be setting the course for elections for many years to come. >> it's really very complex, but the big picture is a, a political earthquake, but b, can there be governing going forward
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that's not dysfunctional, then i have to ask you, are we going to look at a gridlocked american-style system going forward, because prime minister, the former prime minister is the one who told me that england or rather the united kingdom is going to start looking more like a federal american system or like germany, canada, australia, all other nation states that have federalized and not such centralized power. >> right. what will be interesting, the u.k. is one of the most centralized countries and certainly economies in the developed world. but let's remember, when we talk about a federal state, again, england is the vast majority of the united kingdom. so as you start to move towards federal i am, there are going to be different kinds of fault lines in the u.k. than you would have in a country like the united states with 50 states. >> let me ask you about the economy, because you were an economic adviser to alex salmond. he had told everybody that look, we're a rich nation.
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we're 5 million people. we have fisheries, energy, renewables. we can stand on our own. businesses said no. not true. you're going to go through at least ten years at least of pane if you vote for independence. did salmond level, really with the people about economic pain they would go for if they voted for independence? >> first, scotland is a wealthy and prosperous nation. but some business leaders answered the prime minister's call and asked questions about what uncertainties there might be going forward. but let's be clear. there were business leaders in scotland who were standing up and ready to move forward with an independent scotland and thought there were huge opportunities, this is like martin call. and the largest asset company outside of the united states. so there were plenty of business people on the other side, too, who were prepared to speak up
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for independence. >> on the issue of referendum and independence, david cameron has said it's settled for a lifetime. salmond said for now it's settled. but in the future we still have this question open. is it going to happen again? >> you know, that's up to the people of scotland. david cameron can say what his hope is, a lifetime. alex salmond can say what his expectation is, a generation. but what we need to remember is that the people are sovereign. the people of scotland will decide when they will have a referendum in the future. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank u. >> and glasgow was one of the areas who did say yes to independence. that's where nick robertson has been for the past 24 hours and more. nick, what is the feeling there as the cold light of day brings the reality to the people of glasgow? >> reporter: the cold light of day and also bringing people into the center of the city.
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a few people have had a little bit too much to drink. but the vast majority of people here came here to celebrate. they're now disappointed. but they're also telling me that they want to get on with the people who voted no, that they worked together with them. there's been obviously, quite an amount of drinking through the night. and some people are a little the worse for wear this morning. very much the worse for wear, i would say. these other gentlemen behind me, the gentleman behind me with the flag, i was talking with them before. they really want to get on together with the no campaigners. they really want to build their relationship back together. what they do have is a concern about david cameron. there's a gentleman wearing a david cameron mask on his face. they want to see that commitment for devo max, greater way over
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the economy, greater control over welfare spending. these are issues that have been forced by the yes campaign here. they want to see david cameron, the politicians in westminster deliver on that. so that's going to be the eck ptation going forward here. disappointment. there will be a few headaches, i think in a few hours' time christiane as well. >> oh, nick. live television. that is the beauty. lot of promises made. the story of the future will be seeing how this amazing, as we've just heard from our expert guests here, how this amazing political earthquake in the united kingdom will shake out, and we'll have a break and be right back after that. denver international is one of the busiest airports in the country. we operate just like a city,
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they've rejected breaking away from the united kingdom. about 55% voted against independence. 45% voted for it, though, and turnout was high. about 86% nationwide. we're going right now to our political contributor, robert oakley who joins me now from 10 downing street where the british prime minister has come out and has laid down the terms of what politically will be coming next. robin, he made quite specific commitments this morning. >> reporter: complex politician than he sometimes looks. and we've seen this morning both the candid side of david cameron
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and he said he was right to let them ask the question on separatism. but he acknowledged that the promises he's made to persuade them not to go for separatism. he will be keeping those promises. they will be skeptical about that, he knows, but he will keep his promises. but he's also said that he's going to give the people of england, wales, and northern ireland change at the same pace and the same time that it is offered to scotland. of course, he's also trying to bury the issue of separatism by saying oh, that's settled for a generation, perhaps for a lifetime. of course he's arguing, because he's under such pressure from his own conservative nps that england has been the vital part
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missing in all the constitutional discussions that we've up to now. for years, 40 years or so, there's been these arguments about why scottish nps, particularly after they've had a scottish assembly are able to vote on issues affecting england only when they're not able to vote on some issues involving scotland. and english mps are not able to vote on issues involving scotland. another interesting issue at the end of his remarks. he talked about the need to empower britain's great cities. no idea how that's going to be done. in the ideas he set out for england, wales, and northern ireland. in the back of the mind is that
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feeling that spreads across scotland, wales, england, everywhere that too much happens in london in a world rather separate to that that the rest of us inhabit. of course david cameron has a general election coming up next year. he's seen the united kingdom independence party capitalize in the same way they did in scotland. >> of course the ukip wants brit ta ain out of the u.k. and all that. he survived the scottish referendum, what about the eu referendum. we've talked about a political earthquake. no one knows the inside politics as well as you do. what does this mean, let's say
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for england. how to they work out, what does william hague, the former foreign secretary who's been tasked with all this, what is he going to come up with? >> reporter: very interesting that william hague has been put in charge of this because he's very much trusted by the back benches perhaps in a way that david cameron isn't quite. there are huge problems to settle here. and this pressure coming from right wing tori nps. those sort of questions are going to take an awful long time to settle. and i think one of the worries in the background here, christiane is that we've had this huge outburst of democratic enthusiasm, so many people turning out to vote in this scottish referendum. enormous political discussion in the streets and in the club the and in the pubs. now westminster in particular is
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going to get down to the nitty-gritty of constitutional change, with all sorts of things about committees sitting in westminster on particular days, to form a kind of english parliament within the british parliament. that kind of thing could so easily turn off the whole of the english public. yes, we all talk about the need for decisions to be taken lower down closer to the people and so on. but the actual nitty-gritty business of working that out is very, very boring politics, compared with the excitement that we've had with this referendum campaign, christiane. >> ah, yes, robin oakley, a massive change for the united kingdom. the world is watching, and it has been paying very, very close attention to what happens to the united kingdom. we're going to get reaction from many countries, first and foremost live from berlin. fred, what is the german government?
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what is chancellor merkle thinking at this moment now that the united kingdom has survived and david cameron has survived? >> reporter: good morning, christiane. she hasn't said anything specific just yet early this morning. but certainly, she is breathing a sigh of relief as most european leaders and certainly the european commission will as well. there have been some signs of warning from the european union going forward. there were a lot of european countries who have their own secessionist movements. every once in a while you have the bavarians who say they might want to leave the german federation. that's something that keeps coming up again and again. so there were these warning shots saying if you do this, there is no guarantee that you will be take be into the european union if indeed there is a vote to get out of great britain. so a lot of these european politicians are going to be breathing a sigh of relief because now they don't have to deal with that precedent.
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it is something that would have been very, very difficult legally and politically as well. as i said, there are a lot of countries that would have been very opposed to scotland joining the european union. then there is the big issue about the currency. could the scots get into the euro zone. so there would be a lot of questions that now don't have to be answered. so i pretty much take it angela merkle and a lot of other european politicians will be breathing a sigh of relief because they don't have to deal with another problem on the european level, christiane. >> except there is another problem potentially on the european level coming up. because barely has the dust settled on this referendum when we may have a referendum on the u.k. in or out of the eu, which is of vital interest to germany and the rest of the continent so to speak. >> reporter: a vital interest and something very concerning as well. so yes, they have come past this
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one away point here. we're breathing a small sigh of relief, but certainly there is a lot of concern about that referendum on britain staying in the european union or not. certainly, the germans have made a very big push for the brits to stay in the eu. it has always been historically, the germans who have tried to keep the eu together. whereas the germans have been big on keeping the union together. there have been big pushes by the merkle government and previous governments to tell the brits to please stay in the european union. they're important for europe and to also get they will more involved. there's a lot of special statuses that the british government has on the european level. so certainly, yeah. they are looking at that, very worried at what might come in the future when the brits go to the polls and decide whether or not they want to stay in the eu, christiane. >> thank you so much. and fred, thanks from berlin. now we go to spain. a massive crowd has taken to the
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streets of barcelona last week to say it's time for their region to become independent. and they were looking very, very closely at this referendum. we've been inundated here in scott rand by journalists from spain, from barcelona. and iwe are joined from there now. >> reporter: does a vote look like it's coming as a no from scotland. i asked what did you make of this result? and they said what's important is they voted. and that's pretty much what we're asking for. we're asking the government to give us an opportunity to vote on our own referendum, and christiane, that may help, the
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first initial steps may happen sooner than many people think. today, eight hours or so, the regional parliament will introduce a new law on rev represent durent dumbs. that gives people the ability to vote on various subjects, including referendums. if that is approved many expecting it will, then a decree will be issued setting november 9 to be the referendum date on independence from spain. but he faces an uphill battle because the spanish prime minister and madrid have said that would not be legal, and that is just one step on a very long battle for the cat lone yan people here fighting independence, christiane. >> isa, thank you so much for join us from barcelona. you're right, it was the spanish prime minister who just before
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the referendum here who warned the scots, don't think you're going to join the eu if you vote for independence. it could take another eight years or so before we consider your application. obviously that was a particular point of view from the prime minister of spain who does not want to have this independence referendum in his own country. so much potential fallout from this rev represeferendum. as we've been saying a political earthquake has arrived, nonetheless. we'll be back with continuing coverage at the top of the hour. we're going to take a short break right now. so what we're looking for is a way to "plus" our accounting firm's mobile plan. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be... one-seventy-five a month. good calculating kyle. good job kyle. you just made partner.
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