thanks for watching "state of the union." i'm candy crowley in washington. be sure to watch us each week at this time or set your dvr. "fareed zakaria gps" starts right now. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today a special edition of "gps" with two of the world's most powerful men. india's new prime minister nar rin dra modi in his first interview anywhere. he leads 1.25 billion people, almost a fifth of humanity, and has a mandate for change. the real question is can india

become the next china? i'll ask him. then the 42nd president of the united states of america, bill clinton. despite almost 14 years out of office, he still welds enormous influence in the united states and around the world. i will ask him about isis, russia, and i'll ask him whether he's looking forward to another stint at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. we're trimming back everything else on the show to give the stage to these two leaders, so let's get started. when i think about what trends could reshape the world in the next decade or two, one stands out. if india were to industrialize at the pace that china did over the last few decades, it would

be seismic. china has gone from roughly 2% of global gdp to 16% in three decades according to the imf. if india performed the same feat, global economics, politic it's, and culture would be transformed, but can it? there's huge potential. india is poor and thus has a long way to climb. its populace with a young, vibrant population and its private sector is extraordinary, but because of its overregulated state that strangles growth, india's promise has faltered in recent years. india and china were roughly similar sized economies in 1980s by imf estimates. as lates a 1990 and '91, india is shown to have had a slightly higher per capita income in purchasing power parity than china. today chib is 2.5 times the size of india on that measure and it is still growing faster than india. india does poorly on most

measures of global competitiveness. it is 71st in the world economic forum's report compared with china's 28th. it is 134th in the world bank's doing business report compared with china's 96th. of course, that means there's room to improve, and now the whole country has placed its faith in one man hoping that he can change things. narendra modi, india's new prime minister, radiates confidence. he has the first majority government in parliament in 30 years. the indian public lauds him, world leaders court him, and the bombay stock exchange continues to soar. it is one of the world's top performers this year. but will this moment of euphoria translate into lasting gains? will modi be able to make india the next china? i had a chance to put these questions to modi when i met with him last weekend at his official residence in new delhi, his first interview since

becoming prime minister. prime minister, thank you so much for doing this. >> thank you. >> after your election, people have begun asking again a question that has been asked many times for the last two decades, which is will india be the next china? will india be able to grow at 8%, 9% a year consistently and transform itself and thus transform the year? >> translator: see, india does not need to become anything else. india must become only india. this is a country that once upon a time was called the golden bird. we have fallen from where we were before, but now we have the chance to rise again. if you see the details of the last five or ten centuries, you will see that india and china have grown at similar paces.

their contributions to global gdp have risen in parallel and fallen in parallel. today's era once again belongs to asia. india and china are both growing rapidly together. >> but people would still, i think, wonder, can india achieve the kind of 8% and 9% growth rates that china has done consistently for 30 years and india has only done for a short period. >> it is my absolute belief that indians have unlimited talent. i have no doubt about our capabilities. i have a lot of faith in the entrepreneurial nature of our 1.25 billion people. there is a lot of capability, and i have a clear road map to

channel it. >> china's behavior in the east china seas and the south china seas over the last two years has worried many of its neighbors. the head of the government of the philippines and vietnam have made very sharp statements worrying about it. do you worry about it? >> translator: india is different. it is a country of 1.25 billion people. we can't run our country if we get worried about every small thing. at the same time we can't close our eyes to problems. we're not living in the 18th century. this is an era of partnership. everyone will have to seek and

extend help mutually. china is also a country with an ancient cultural heritage. look at how it has focused on economic development. it's hardly the sign of a country that wants to be isolated. we should have trust in china's understanding and have faith that it will accept global laws and will play its role in cooperating and moving forward. >> do you look at china and feel that it has been able to develop as fast as it has, really the fastest development in human history, because it is an authoritarian government, because the government has the power to build great infrastructure, to create incentives for investment? do you look at that and think to yourself that that would be -- that there is a price to

democracy, that you have to do things a little more slowly? >> translator: if china is one example, then democratic countries provide another example. they've also grown fast. you can't say that growth is not possible because of democracy. democracy is our commitment. it is our great legacy, a legacy we simply cannot compromise. democracy is in our dna. >> so you don't look at the power of the chinese government and wish you had some of that authority? >> translator: see, i have seen the strength of democracy. if there was no democracy then someone like me, modi, a child born in a poor family, how would he sit here? this is the strength of democracy. >> from the strength of democracy to the strength or weakness of the crucial relationship between the united states and india. mr. modi goes to the white house

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we are back with more of my exclusive interview with india's prime minister narendra modi. next week he will make his first trip to the white house warmly welcomed by the obama administration. that is quite a turnaround for a

man who was placed on a black list by the george w. bush administration in 2005, and for many years denied a devvisa to enter the united states. modi was criticized for failing to quell riots, riots that according to a u.s. government report killed more than 1,200 people. the majority of the dead were muslim. modi is hindu. he has been exonerated three times by india's supreme court notes "the new york times." the obama administration reversed the ban and has been courting modi actively. has modi any qualms about warmer ties with the united states? i asked him. there are many people in the united states and some in india who wish that the united states and india were much closer allies. the world's oldest democracy, it's world's biggest democracy, but somehow that has never

happened and there have always been these frictions and difficulties. do you think it is possible for the united states and india to develop a genuinely strategic alliance? >> translator: i have a one-word answer, yes. and with great confidence i say yes. let me explain. there are many similarities between india and america. if you look at the last few centuries, two things come to light. america has absorbed people from around the world, and there is an indian in every part of the world. this characterizes both the societies. indians and americans have co-existed in their natural temperament. now, yes, for sure there have been ups and downs in our relationship in the last

century, but from the end of the 20th century to the first decade of the 21st century, we have witnessed a big change. our ties have deepened. india and the united states of america are bound together by history and by culture. these ties will deepen further. >> so far in your contacts with the obama administration, you have had several cabinet members come here, do you feel that there is a genuine desire from washington to try to upgrade the relationship with india substantially? >> translator: relations between india and america should not be seen within the limits of just delhi and washington. it's a much larger sphere. the good thing is that the mood of both delhi and washington is in harmony with this

understanding. both sides have played a role in this. >> with regard to russia's actions in ukraine, india has not been particularly active. how do you view russia's annexation of the crimea? >> translator: firstly, whatever happened there, innocent people died in a plane accident. it's very saddening. these are not good things for humanity in this age. there's a saying in india that the person who should throw a stone first is the person who has not committed any sins. in the world right now, a lot of people want to give advice, but look within them, and they, too, have sinned in some way. ultimately india's viewpoint is that efforts need to be made to sit together and talk and to

resolve problems in an ongoing process. >> one of the areas that india has come onto the world scene or people have read about and heard about it which has been unfortunate has been violence against women, this issue of rape. why is it you think that there is this problem of it seems persistent discrimination and violence against women in india and what do you think can be done about it? >> translator: look, us political pundits shouldn't tangle ourselves up in knots by searching for the root cause of this problem. more damage is done by statements from political pundits. dignity of women is our collective responsibility. there should be no promise compn this matter. there should be no erosion in

the law and order situation. we have to revive the family culture in which a woman is respected and considered equal. her dignity encouraged. the main thing here is girl/child education. by doing so the possibility of empowerment will increase. on august 15th my government pushed ahead a movement called educate the girl, save the girl. >> next on "gps," the head of al qaeda says he's opening a franchise in india. what does prime minister modi have to say about that? i will ask him. also, when you lead 1.25 billion people, the pressures mount. how does narendra modi relax? you will find out when we come back.

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india's muslims army north, just over 13% of the population versus 80% of the population that is hindu and thus far the cause of jihad hasn't taken off at all. at a time when proper is atop the headlines, i wanted to get mr. modi's thoughts on al qaeda's plans for his country. ayman al zawahiri, the head of al qaeda, has issued a video and an appeal trying to create an al qaeda in india, but the message was directed towards india and he says he wants to free muslims from the oppression they face in kashmir. do you think -- do you worry something like this could succeed? >> translator: my understanding is that they are doing injustice towards the muslims of our country. if anyone thinks indian muslims

will dance to their tune, they are delusional. indian muslims will live for india, they will die for india. they will not want anything bad for india. >> what do you think it is that there is this remarkable phenomenon that you have 170 million muslims and they seem to be almost no or very few members of al qaeda even though al qaeda is in afghanistan and, of course, there are many in pakistan. what is it that has made this community not as susceptible? >> translator: firstly, i am not the authority for doing a psychological and religious analysis on this. but the question is whether or not humanity should be defended in the world, whether or not believers in humanity should

unite. this is a crisis against humanity, not a crisis against one country or one race. so we have to frame this as a fight between humanity and inhumanity. nothing else. >> a year or two from now, what would you like people to say that these are the things n narendra modi has managed to accomplish in office. >> translator: the people have faith. that trust should never break. if i can win the confidence of the people of india not from my speeches but by actions, then the power of 1.25 billion indians will come together to take the country forward. >> one final question. how do you relax? what do you enjoy doing when you're not working?

>> translator: look, i'm not the not working type. i derive pleasure from my work. work gives me relaxation, too. every moment i am thinking of something new, making a new plan, new ways to work. in the same way that a scientist draws pleasure from long hours in the laboratory, i drew pleasure from governance, in doing new things and bringing people together. that pleasure is sufficient for me. >> do you meditate? do you do yoga? >> translator: unfortunate that i was introduced to the world of yoga. that has been very useful to me. i always advise everyone to make this a part of their lives. >> you gave a long speech about the benefits of yoga. explain do you see them as. >> translator: see, sometimes we notice the mind works on one thing, the body on another.

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on friday i sat down with bill clinton at his offices in harlem. he's in an interesting place in life. almost 14 years after leaving the white house, he has settled into a new way of affecting change around the world. his clinton global initiative will hold its tenth annual meeting next week.

the organization claims in those ten years they have improved the lives of 430 million people in 180 countries. he's also set to soon become a grandfather. we'll get to all of those matters later in the show, but first i wanted to ask him about the stories that are atop the news. president clinton, thank you so much for joining us. >> glad to do it. >> so i have got to ask you about isis. i saw you on requesting the daily show" say you thought we had to respond to these brutal executions of americans, but i want to press you. isn't that what isis wants? wasn't the purpose of the executions to bait us? >> no. but there's a difference in for example using targeted drones and air strikes as we did against al qaeda effectively for years to try to take down their

leadership and infrastructure and let them know they can't just decapitate people for the cheap thrill of the global media response and horrify people and get away with it and getting bogged down in the kind of war they would like us to get bogged down in that would cost us a lot of lives and a lot of treasure and inevitably lead to greater civilian casualties, which is why i think the president's strategy has a chance of succeeding because the iraqi government is now more inclusive than it has been since the fall of saddam hussein, and that seems to be awakening, if you will, the willingness of the sunni tribal leaders to participate in fighting. we know the kurds and the peshmerga are willing to fight. if we can help them and support them, i think the larger fight against isis can continue as it should as a local struggle for the freedom and liberty of the people. >> we talked about the iraq part

of the strategy which strikes me as, you're right, it's viable. there's an iraqi army. could be made more effective if there were fewer loyalists and more professional officers and more inclusive, the kurdish forces. the syria part is the real puzzle -- >> much harder. >> because, you know, this is fierce civil war in which the stakes are very high. generally moderates don't do well in those circumstances. the turks have been trying to stand up moderate syrians for a long time. how do you think we should handle it? >> well, i support giving the forces that we most closely identify with greater capacity to fight isis. the whole question about the syrian government is really academic. between the iranians and the russians and others, they will give them enough money and military capacity to do what they have to do. >> so do you think assad is going to stay? >> i don't know, but i think that the worst enemy right now

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back now on this special edition of "gps," more of my interview with bill clinton. ukrainian officials, high ukrainian officials, have said that russia in effect invaded ukraine over the last month. that somewhere between 3,000 and 10,000 russian soldiers crossed the border. do you think we should call this an invasion and act in a way in a sense appropriately? >> there's no question they invaded ukraine, and there's no question what mr. putin is trying to do. they've also armed these ukrainians, they've done all those things. but i think ukraine elected a very prudent and strong president. he's trying to negotiate an end to this that enables them to have a relationship with russia without paralyzing their turn to europe and their attempt to leap the economic and political

benefits that would entail. i think the united states should support building ukraine's capacity to defend itself but even more importantly we should be doing what we can, including groups like our global initiative, to help them succeed economically, to reward their choice to be free and independent. i think it's very important that the world not buy the propaganda that is going over the russian media that ukrainians wanted to have an adversarial relationship with russia. she's srnl not true. all they wanted to have was have a good relationship with russia and a good relationship with europe and the west and be a bridge between the two. why he doesn't want that remains something of a mystery to me. i mean, i think he's got an outdated view of how they get more influence and accumulate more wealth. but he's in these negotiations now, and i think those of us who are outside it should not complicate his job by saying too much until we see what he can negotiate. juneau, a lot of russians,

including mr. putin blame you in a sense. they say nato expanded. we were told nato wouldn't expand. they expanded very close to our borders. then the clinton administration intervened in kosovo over our objections. so they argue you pushed us and now don't be surprised you get a backlash. >> if you can find one polish citizen who agrees, i will be glad to take that seriously. i mean, look, first of all, i never told them nato wouldn't expand. i ran for president advocating the expansion of nato in 1992, and i had a conversation with boris yeltsin who i respected very much and who was a much better president than he got credit for as we all now see, and i said, look, i don't think you're going to invade eastern europe, but you're not to be there forever. president yeltsin in return for ukraine getting rid of all of its nuclear weapons and sending them to russia signed an agreement with me and the then president of ukraine saying that russia would always respect

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welcome back to "gps." here is more of my interview with bill clinton, 42nd president of the united states and founder of the clinton foundation. one of the foundation's main projects is the clinton global initiative which brings together world leaders, business leaders, philanthropists, and nonprofits to work on solving what it calls the world's most pressing challenging. next week the power-packed group will hold its tenth annual meeting. let me start with something that really affects the clinton foundation and the clinton global initiative. you have worked a lot on issues like disease and disease prevention. what lesson do you think we should draw from this outbreak of ebola and the speed and kind of pace with which its spread? when you look at it, what is it that you think it tells us about maybe the potential for pandemics or anything? >> well, first, like everybody else who is involved, we have a

big presence in liberia and three of our people, our top people, have stayed in liberia to help organize the response. so we all have to figure out how to coordinate it better. we're going to have a special session on it. but the lessons we should draw, the lessons are twofold. one is we have to do a much better job in building the health care infrastructure in these countries. we have to increase their capacity, including the capacity to have community health workers go out in these villages and have credibility with people. you know, this tragic story of the health workers being killed in guinea is just terrible, but if we have more capacity, we can deal with it quicker. so that's the first thing. the second thing is we're going to have to get quicker and nimbler at developing biomedical

responses. you know, the vaccines or whatever or cures. and the third thing is the wealthy countries have got to re-examine how we fund the world health organization because i think they do a marvelous job, but increasingly as development ministries get more expertise in given areas they want to fund specific projects in specific countries, and it's clear that the world health organization needs a pot of money that can be mobilized in a hurry for emergencies while we wait for the inevitable time delay when america and the uk and france and scandinavia, we all kick in money. >> got to ask you about some politics. are the democrats going to hold the senate? >> i think so, but it's going to be close, and it depends, frankly, on whether we can

continue to match the money provided by all these outside groups. i think the koch brothers are going to spend about $300 million in the last couple months, and it depends on who turns out. we have got so somehow sooner or later to convince the people that vote in presidential elections for our side they have to vote in the congressional elections, and if they don't, they can't complain when they lose governorships, state legislators, and members of congress who happen to be up in that year. we have a lot more senators up this year than the republicans do and we have them up in states that president obama did not carry in 2012. but they're running great campaigns, and we seem to be doing reasonably well, but if you look at all these polls which are all over the place, they're all accurate. that is, the real question in polling today is the sample you pick based on who you think will vote, and the answer to that is no one knows.

so if we can get our turnout up, we'll be fine and they'll hold the senate. >> along those lines, when i talk to democratic grassroots activists, the one person who energizes them is elizabeth warren. do you think she's the future of the democratic party? >> i think she's an important part of it. i think the american people are -- the democrats at least are worried about people having an equal shot at prosperity, and, you know, when i was president, i have told you this before, the thing i was most proud of was we moved 100 times as many people from poverty into the middle class as moved under president reagan. the bottom 20%'s income increased 23.6%. the top 20% increased 20.5%. and everybody else in the middle did better than they did in the reagan years. you have to have more broad based prosperity. so i think anybody who is

arguing for that is going to find a receptive ear in the american electorate and not just among democrats. we're going to have a vote in my native state of arkansas on raising the minimum wage, and i'll be surprised if we don't get a majority of republicans to vote for it even though their politicians are by and large against it. >> there are certain circumstances in the next presidential election that might produce a very unusual outcome, and i'm wondering have you given any thought to what it would be like to be back in the white house in a different role? >> no. no, i haven't. i think that in general if you're a spouse, you ought to support. if you're a former president, you ought to do whatever the current president asks to you do if you can do it in good conscience, but i have given no thought beyond that. this is my life now, this foundation, and i have poured my heart into it for 14 years and

this is our tenth annual clinton global initiative. we've raised, you know, $80 billion and helped 400 million people plus in 180 countries. it's my life now, and i do politics at election time if they want me for people i believe in, i think i can help. but otherwise i'm happy doing what i'm doing and if that's what i'm asked to do, i'd be happy as a clam if that were the case, too. i'll do whatever i'm asked to do. >> do you have any specific thoughts about being a grandfather? >> yeah, i can't wait. and we're on watch now. i hope by the 1st of october i'll be a grandfather. >> do you care if it's a boy or a girl? >> no. and i don't know. >> do you really not know? >> don't know. and my daughter and son-in-law decided not to know. they want to be surprised, so we're all just sitting around waiting. >> mr. president, we usually have an end segment where i

recommend a book of the week. we're blowing it all out for you. so i'm giving you the last word which is what book would you recommend. you're a voracious reader. if you were to tell our readers, what should they read? >> if you will give me two? >> sure. >> first i'd like readers to read "abundance" because if they did that, they would see that while the headlines are really bad in the world today, the trend lines are pretty good. extreme poverty is down. the health care is improving dramatically around the world. there are developments now which make me believe we might be able to do what we did in the '90s, which is to use technological developments to create more jobs than we lose. for the last few months, for the first time in literally more than a decade, 40% of the new jobs have been in higher wage categories. i think people should read this and get some good ideas.

the other book is "the social conquest of earth by edward o. wilson. he writes as best he can from all the known evidence about the history of life on earth from single cell organisms to the present day. the reason i would like them to read that is that he said if you look at all the species that have ever lived on planet earth, the most successful are ants, termites, bees, and people. why? because they're the greatest cooperators. and he even -- and i saw the other day a story about how there are 25,000 species of spiders on earth and for reasons nobody understands a couple dozen of them have started cooperating and they build stronger, better webs. cooperation will save the future, and americans should lead it. every time humanity has been in danger of extinguishing itself, our consciousness and our

conscience have led us to come together. that's the big issue of the 21st century. that's the great fight of the next 25 years. >> so congress should learn from spiders. that's the -- >> i spent a lot of time with spiders in my early life. i just think, you know, the constitution could be subtitles, let's make a deal. the founders understood it. we need to remember it. >> bill clinton, pleasure to have you on, mr. president. >> thank you. >> that's all we have time for on this special ed diggs of "gps." thanks to my guest bill clinton and india's prime minister narendra modi and thanks to all of you for being part of the my program this week. i will see you next week. good morning. i'm erin mcpike. new details are emerging about two security incidents at the white house. a man who jumped a fence friday was carrying a 3 1/2 inch

folding knife in his pocket. he's identified as 42-year-old omar gonzalez. another man who failed to stop his car at the white house entrance on saturday had tried to gain entrance once before on foot. the first family was not at home during the incidents and both men face charges. in the mountains of pennsylvania, no credible new sightings of suspected cop killer eric frein. authorities have lifted a lockdown on local residents but hundreds of law enforcement personnel continue what's called a very active search for the man they say killed one state trooper and wounded another nine days ago. earlier this weekend shots were heard and officers appeared to be closing in on frein, but the trail went cold. hundreds of thousands of climate change activists are taking to the streets around the world today demending action from their governments to reduce carbon emissions. you're looking at live pictures of people in new york getting ready to take part in the people's climate mamp in new

york which kicks off in a 456 hour. 150,000 people are expected to be there, including "a" list celebrities like leonardo dicaprio and brad pitt and the marches come two days before a climate summit. experts say this past summer was the hottest ever recorded on earth. i'm erin mcpike in washington. "reliable sources" starts right now. good morning. i'm brian stelter. it's sunday, september 21st, and it's time for "reliable sources." the nfl in damage control mode. with a press conference unlike any roger goodel has ever given. was it enough? another shocking video from isis. one cnn has denieded not to show. i will ask a cnn executive why that is. and i will show you remarkable new polling data about the public'sk