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you're in the "cnn newsroom." thanks for joining us this hour as we fast forward to the week ahead. we'll take a look at all stories you'll be talking about and hearing about this coming week. first, let's update you on the search for a missing college student in virginia. it has been just over one week since hannah grand disappeared and for the first time today we heard from her parents. her father begged the public to come forward with any information, but her mother was so overcome with emotion she couldn't even speak. at that same news conference, the charlottesville, virginia, police chief waved his arms stating we know who saw hannah last and we need to talk to him. >> you have all, i'm sure, read about hannah. you've all read that hannah is a second-year student at the university of virginia. a skier, a musician, softball player. she likes to help people, and she's interested in a career in

helping others. and just as a lit example, last spring break, instead of hanging around on the beach like other students may have done, she spent a week in tuscaloosa rebuilding houses and helping the recovery from the devastating tornado. that's hannah. that's one hannah. but hannah is also our little girl. >> in fact, i believe that jesse matthew was the last person she was seen with before she vanished off the face of the earth. let me say that again. i believe jesse matthew was the last person she was seen with before she vanished off the face of the earth. because it's been a week and we can't find her. but somebody knows where she is. somebody's got to know where she is. and we want to know who that person or persons are.

i've made no mistake about it. we want to talk to jesse matthew. >> i'm joined now by cnn correspondent jean casarez who was at that news conference. jean, what we saw there, even the police chief getting pretty emotional today. what does that signal to you about how this investigation is going? >> reporter: well, it's just the passion that is in this entire community from law enforcement to community members wanting to find answers, wanting to find hannah. you know, ana, i want to tell everybody, we are right here in the downtown outside mall where hannah was just a little over a week ago. she walked right along this area that night and then as the police chief says, she suddenly vanished. you know, one thing i think's important this weekend as the community members were out trying and searching to find anything related to hannah or hannah, herself, jesse matthew walked into the charlottesville police department unannounced and he asked for an attorney.

and what we learned that press conference today was that they got him an attorney, and that he didn't talk. and then he left the building after that. so they knew as little as they did when he walked in when he left. but following that, the police chief said that he was driving and he increased his speed to what police believed was reckless driving, allegedly fleeing in the minds of some, and the police pulled him over and now have an arrest warrant for him with two warrants of misdemeanor reckless driving. i specifically asked the chief, have you arrested him yet, are you going to arrest him? the answer was, they're aggressively pursuing where he is, and if he does not give himself up, they will then arrest him. so along with that, they are also waiting for forensic results on the searches of the vehicle, which they made a very big point of at this press conference, that anyone who saw hannah or jesse or either one in the vehicle, to come forward as well as anyone who saw them at

the restaurant, tempo, which is right here on the downtown mall. that would have been the early morning hours of last, a week ago saturday. >> so, jean, is this jesse matthew person missing now as well? did he disappear? >> the answer that i got to that question was that they're aggressively pursuing where he is. but i think we need to make it very clear, they do not have probable cause at this point to arrest him. in the disappearance, abduction, or anything else related to hannah. they said on friday they toept ha don't have the probable cause to reasonably detain him. and, but yet, they are pointing the finger at him. >> right. >> there is no question about that. this is the person they're interested in. this is the person they're interested in talking to. they did not say he was a suspect, but they said they want to talk with him, and they believe that he was the last person to see hannah.

i've got to tell you, i've spoken to people in the community who know him. he worked at the hospital. i confirmed he's an orderly at the university of virginia hospital medical center, and people that i've talked to that know him say that he's really a nice guy. and that he wouldn't do something like this. that he's a quiet person, a gentle person. and people are shocked that know him that he could even be questioned in this manner. >> and when we talk about questioning, like you said, they don't have probable cause to arrest him, but the fact that the police chief seems so adamant that he was the last person to see hannah graham, i mean, isn't that enough for them to say what happened? can you give us some more information? i mean, to have him at least being brought in for questioning? >> reporter: you know, probable cause that you've committed a crime, even though, and i confirmed with the police chief, there's video surveillance that they left the tempo restaurant together out the front door. that's not a crime. that's not a crime. so they want more. just because you were seen with

someone doesn't mean that you then are responsible for their demise or their going missing. but i think the police know a lot more than we do. they have to hold things close to the vest. i don't think they would throw all this out, say this at a nationally televised press conference if they didn't have something to back it up. >> makes you wonder a lot more questions than answers right now. jean casarez, thanks so much. now let's turn to our five questions for the week ahead. question number one, the battle against isis has brought together some unlikely alliances with president obama speaking at the united nations on wednesday. will the world unite against isis? the president will be trying to convince more countries to offer more than just verbal support. he wants other nations to contribute significant resources in this fight against isis. and question number two. will president obama launch air strikes this week against isis in syria? we saw hours of debate on the syria crisis in washington this week. the president has said the u.s.

is ready to strike, so are those air strikes imminent? question number three. after releasing doesens of turkish hostages, could isis release more? 49 hostages including diplomats held by isis militants more than three months in iraq were freed on saturday. the details of that release still unclear, but the turkish government says it was in direct contact with isis. yes numbquestion number foue secret service falling down on the job? the white house had two security incidents in about 24 hours. raises doubts about the competency of the president's protecters. is this a wake-up call for the agency? what changes should be made? question number five, could the shooting death of michael brown return to the national spot light? the grand jury has more time to decide whether to charge officer darren wilson in brown's death. brown's parents are now taking his story outside ferguson, in fact, out of state to try to garner more support for their cause. will their message be heard?

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messages. was this to be called a war or something else like a counterterrorism campaign? who know after so many contradictions from the administration. is the threat from isis something we're trying to prevent from happening one day or is it imminent? again, contradictions." david, what must the obama administration do to save this rollout of the isis strategy? >> sure. thank you. listen, i didn't write that piece happily, if anything, i really believe no one should take pleasure or joy in the missteps of the administration as we go to war. we need to be united as a country. i think the administration has gotten off to a rocky start, just as it did with obamacare. i think right now the president needs to get his team settled down and get their message straight so we don't have this continuing muddle. there is a reported rifl eed ri. it's been overemphasized in the press. between the white house, president, and his generals. they need to get that rift mended. he needs to mobile ice a group of senior bipartisan leaders

from the past who could be an advisory board for him and help him unite the country. people on both sides of the aisle. whether it be a jim baker or george schultz on the republican side or madeleine albright, colin powell somewhere in the middle there. i think it's important he get the country united quickly and settled down. i would add this. in fair nness to the president, the rollout to obamacare was terrible, but they got it fixed then it worked much better than many of us, including me expe . expectexpec expected. i hope that's what happens here. >> colonel, is gergen being too harsh or do you agree? >> i agree with him. it's important the administration gets their messaging down. say what we need to do and how we're going to do it. i don't think i would have announced ahead of time we're going to bomb syria. i would have preferred he'd say, last night we began bombing sere

wr syria. he shouldn't have said we'll keep boots off the ground. it complicates our efforts in the middle east when we're trying to get allies to step up to provide sources, provide tangible support for what we're trying to do if we don't do it for ourselves. >> like you said, he laid out the plan in front of the world including isis. is he giving away too much of the strategy? >> i think he already has. we've seen the results both in iraq and in syria. the french were lucky they got their air strike in before isis dispersed all that equipment. we're seeing all of the units dispersion in syria. they're moving everything out of what we would call good military targets into cities and towns. ta they're doing the same thing in iraq complicating our target effort. what we're going to do in the future is going to be much, much more difficult because of the messaging. we have to get this straight. >> isis is responding, as you said. time is of the essence. david gergen, secretary of state kerry met face to face just this week. we know with people in the u.n. and he talked with iran's foreign minister. today in fact. he talked about this threat.

is the u.s. going to have to make some maybe messy alliances to really be able to destroy and defeat isis? >> well, i don't think we want a messy alliance with iran. that's for sure. what i hope the secretary has done is laid down a very strong marker about the nuclear negotiations that are under way that seem to be really slowed down and problematic at this point. but he also has to make clear that he wants a more inclusive government. the united states wants a more inclusive government in iraq. we cannot let all the -- the best fighting be done by the shia militia. aligned with iran. it's really important that the government and baghdad be inclunsii inclusive so you can get the sunni tribes to get into this fight on behalf of baghdad, the government. so we've got much to talk about with iran, and it may be that there will be times when we and they will be pursuing similar objectives in a fight, but not in alliance, not if

coordination, not in collaboration, but rather with some parallel interests. >> the president did announce that we plan to bomb syria. as you mentioned, colonel francona, will we see that happen this week? >> hard to say. i think the president's hoping that he's going to get some allies to join this effort, and so far, we've come up with none. the french have said they'll bomb in syria. assuming the british have the same -- they have a similar restriction. so if anybody's going to bomb in syria, it looks like it's going to be us. we can do it, but i think it's much better if there's a coalition that does this. but it would be really nice to see some arab partners in this. otherwise it looks like the west, again, just bombing another arab country. >> and david, i'm kind of -- oh, go ahead, if you have a thought. go for it. >> i want to ask the colonel about this. one of the things the ft. will be seeking at the u.n. is a resolution by the security council. he's likely to get it. in which nations say they basically will not allow their fighters to go and join up with isis. they'll try to close the border.

i'm curious about this. as you know, turkey is so central to this question. and they haven't agreed yet really to seal their borders and just made this deal to get 49 hostages back from isis. and one wonders whether the turks are really going to two along with us seriously about the borders. colonel, i'm just really curious about your opinion. >> yeah, i'm wondering, david, if one of the provisions for the release of those hostages was turkey agrees not to allow the use of the air bases because the air bases would be absolutely ideal for allied operations against syria, and the turks may have agreed to take that off the table. we can do it otherwise, but it makes it much, much more complicated. >> yeah. many of those foreign fighters also go through so isis -- if anything, we want to contain the number of people who join isis. they have 31,000 now or whatever the number is. they may -- if those borders remain open, they can have more people come in and join up than we can train in a year, so we want to keep that isis military

group as small as possible and we really need turkey's help on that. >> gentlemen, great conversation. we're going to continue this after the break. you know, just this weekend, in fact, as we were talking about, isis released dozens of those turkish hostages. 49 to be exact. so does that mean they may be willing to release one of their western hostages, perhaps? we'll discuss that next. jim's hair is perfect. so's his serve. but like up to 90% of us, jim falls short in getting important nutrients from food alone. jim, here's $2 off one a day multivitamins to get key nutrients you may need. go to oneaday.com for savings. research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50 plus. create things that help people. design safer cars.

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question number three. after releasing dozens of turkish hostages, could isis release more? most of the captives are now back on turkish soil. they were seized at turkey's consulate in mosul when the iraqi city fell to isis militants in june. turkish officials refuse to go into detail about the release but the state-run news agent says no ransom was paid. joining me more to talk about this is a terrorism analyst. thanks so much for coming in. why do you think this particular group would have been freed? >> well, we don't know. and we may never know. i mean, the turkish government have denied paying any sort of ransom. we've seen european governments in the past pay ransoms to isis then deny it. we don't know. >> we don't know but we do know turkey is right there along the border with syria. has a lot of skin in the game here. why would isis give up this r leverage? >> we honestly don't know

whether there was some kind of financial settlement through an intermediary. other terms discussed with turkey. we don't know what we don't know. >> does it signal, though, isis could be ready to negotiate perhaps with other countries as well? >> i doemn't think the british d american hostages there are any prospects for negotiations. >> let's talk about another development we learned today in brussels. there was apparently some kind of terrorism plot exposed. three people were arrested. what do you know about that? >> what we're hearing about this is this is a possible terrorist plot by a cell linked back to isis in syria. there were arrests in august in belgium, in holland, and in turkey, and in belgium, they found weapons in these people's apartments, so there was obviously a lot of concern they could be moving forward with some sort of terrorist attack. authorities don't know what, if anything, they were planning at this point. investigations are continuing. >> when we talk about these foreign fighters going to syria,

to iraq to go fight with isis, i spoke with the mother of one of these people who were eventually arrested prior to actually going to turkey, her name is shannon conley. she was arrested in colorado. just pleaded last week, in fact, to trying to aid isis terrorists. what her mother told me was she had, you know, believed in the fight against assad, and that was the main reason she was trying to get to syria. do you think that these isis recruits are being led astray? >> all these people, the reason they initially went was to fight assad. then they join groups like isis who were effective at fighting assad. we're seeing people traveling for religious reasons. they believe it's their religious obligation to go and join a so-called islamic state in syria and iraq. we're seeing surging travel to the region right now. ever since baghdadi declared a

caliphate in june. >> we talk about counterterrorism. we're not just talking about isis though the conversation has been dominating when we talk about isis. we just learned this week, too, about this other group, the korsan, an offshoot of al kqaed as well, may be plotting an explosive plot and they're very high-tech. how concerned should we be is. >> they're very concerned. this isqaeda veterans who traveled from the afghanistan/pakistan border rege and arrived in syria. the concern is they could be trying to recruit all these european and westerners for terrorist plots back against the west. concern also they may be cooperating with al qaeda in yemen who have the master bomb maker al asiri who in the past managed to get bombs on american planes, ana. >> is that more of an imnenmine threat? >> that may well be. >> thanks for your insight. we'll be talking to you in a little bit throughout the show

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question number four. is the secret service falling down on the job? nobody stopped an iraq war vet after he scaled the white house fence. he sprinted across the lawn and got inside the front door of the white house before he was apprehended. turned out he had a knife in his pocket. yesterday a separate incident involved a young man who refused to move his car from a barricaded entrance. balk experts did check out the vehicle but found no explosives. it was interesting we learned that same man tried to tgo in o foot on a different side. joining me now, a historian and professor at princeton university, rejoining us, cnn

senior political analyst, david gergen. gergen, you served inside the under four presidents. how did the secret service let someone get inside the front door? >> well, there have been periodic incidences, ana, and this is a rare instance someone actually got through. it's very, very unusual. if somebody can scale that fence, as soon as they hit the ground, sensors go off all around around secret service. they have 20 to 25 seconds to catch the guy before they can get to the front door and if they can't run fast enough, they have trained dogs. wonderful belgian shepherd dogs that are fast, lean and mean and can take down somebody in a few seconds. in this case for reasons we don't understand, that dog was never released. we're not sure why. there are indications that -- i don't think it's a structural leadership problem. they just put -- the president just put a new president, julia pearson, first woman ever to run secret service. i think she's doing a fine job. there are real questions about whether they have -- because of budget cutbacks they have rookies on the job and didn't react fast enough in this case. >> right.

and on that point, you know, the "washington post" came out with an article, pretty scathing and said that there had been some e severe staffing shortages with the secret service. the president and his daughters were walking out on the south lawn just moments before omar gonzalez hopped the fence. do you think there's a problem at the top on down? >> well, i don't think we can jump to the conclusion there's a huge managerial problem. i think david's correct. we have a new leader in place who's been working on repairing some of the problems that secret service had with the scandal and some other matters that happened recently. but clearly, the budget issues that the "washington post" talked about are serious. you can't have a strong defense if you don't staff that defense and that's why they're going to look at this incident. >> david, the secret service does say it's reviewing its policies. the white house put out a statement saying it's very confident in its protecters. what changes might you expect them to make after this incident, and the back to back incidents? >> well, i think the second

incident was caught properly. i don't think there's any -- that doesn't show any negligence or weakness at all. i think what they do need to do is figure out if there are individuals who need to be disciplined who didn't do their job when this guy jumped the fence. clearly something went wrong and it's unacceptable. i don't think we ought to get too worked up about it until we know more facts. what i do find interesting, ana, this is a situation in which the government responded too slowly and it seems to be -- seems that budget cutbacks had something to do with it. something similar's happening on this international crisis on ebola. one of the reasons that it's -- we now see cases doubling every three weeks, and one of the reasons international and the national response has been so slow is there have been cutbacks at the world health organization, and also cutbacks domestically in the u.s. so i think what these stories raise the question of are we

shortchanging ourselves and agencies that really matter? and i think that's a bigger, larger question. >> it's a great question, and i think this incident, the reason that it has sparked so much concern, is because if this guy can do it, can get inside that white house, what if it was somebody who had really bad intentions who wanted to harm our country? is this going to embolden, do you think, somebody who has those intentions? a terrorist? >> i do think the context of this is everything, and all the problems happening with isis leads people to read this and ask that very question. whereas an intruder two months ago might not have received as much attention even if they didn't get so far. but i don't know if this will be the reason a serious attack is launched. i doubt it. i think those who are looking for those kind of attacks have a much more systemic and broad approach to handling this. but clearly, any vulnerability can inspire another attempt.

that's why the secret service can't afford any mistakes. >> yeah, ana, there's another issue here. you know, the secret service has rules that they can't shoot. you know, you would think that they could take down the person with a gun, but for obvious reasons, you've got mentality disturbed people who are doing this. and that appears to be the case here with a veteran of iraq who had ptsd. and he semied unhinged. you don't want to shoot them, but on the other hand in critical cases you might want to make sure they can. we'll have to revisit that question, too. >> all right, david gergen and ju julian, thank you so both of you. coming up, the family of michael brown taking the story to other cities. in fact, to other states. in an exclusive interview with cnn, brown's father explains why. ♪ i thought it'd be bigger. ♪

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question number five in the week ahead, could the shooting death of michael brown return to the national spotlight? we know the grand jury has a little more time to decide whether to charge officer darren wilson in brown's death. their term was extended until january, in fact, but brown's parents say they do not want their son's story to disappear before then. our nick valencia spoke exclusively with michael brown sr. what did he say? >> both parents for mike brown jr. were in atlanta. many may a ask why were they here? the national action network, very vocal about their support

for mike brown, has a large presence here in atlanta. it's part of a tour to make sure the story, according to the parents, isn't forgotten and isn't dismissed from the national spotlight. mike brown sr. when i spoke with him exclusively one-on-one before a press conference he and his attorney held, he said the last month has been very difficult for he and his family. how are you holding up? >> about the same. just a little pain that came up, but i'm about the same. >> reporter: the nation's attention was solely focused on ferguson for so long. now, you know, things have sort of calmed down a little bit. what is your goal here? >> just to keep the peace. peaceful rallies. just, i thank the public for all of their support. >> we know that trayvon's parents came forward to help you out. jordan davis' parents. are you still in touch with trayvon's parents, jordan davis'

parents and the others? how has that helped you through the healing process? >> yes, to answer your question, yes, i keep in touch with them. we all went through the same thing, so it's easier to talk to someone that feels the same pain that you do. >> you can really see the pain in his eyes there. things very difficult for him. his wife and mother, as well the mother of mike brown jr. was also in attendance. the family doesn't believe that they're getting due process. you mentioned in the lead-up to the story that the grand jury was initially going to submit their decision in mid-october. now we're hearing it's more likely going to be in january. their attorney, benjamin crump, says that this is an example really that the prosecutor in the case doesn't have an intention of indicting darren wilson. darren wilson supporters, meanwhile, maintain strongly and steadfast, and believe the shooting was justified. >> the truth is we don't know when the grand jury is going to

come out with a decision. >> right. >> we do know it could be as early as the mid-october date, the guideline the prosecutor initially gave but could end up being much later which is why their term was extended. we'll have to wait to see how justice turns out, whether it's an dooirindictment or not. it's been six weeks since his death and the protests continue in ferguson. our affiliate reporting people were arrested last night for blocking the road as they were protesting outside the police station. we know there's a town hall meeting tomorrow. what are officials hoping to accomplish? >> i think you're actually on your way there to that town hall. people are still worried and curious about why there hasn't been information made public. there's still a concern among the community as we saw this weekend with those arrests and the civil disobedience protest. there's concern this story is being sort of swept under the rug and the nation is forgetting about it. people want answers. they want to know if this evidence will be made public. and this town hall meeting will in essence address that.

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focus on football instead of its players' legal troubles and the growing criticism of the league commissioner and how it has handled the nfl domestic violence issues. now, big-name players arrested and in some cases convicted of domestic violence. another accused of child abuse. let's talk more about the damage done to the nfl brand with terence moore, sports contributor to cnn.com, and columnist for mlb.com. also joining us, the branding expert and ceo of dema demandworks.com. martha, i want to start with you. we know big nfl advertisers have gone public with their concerns about this. nike, anheuser bushel. they haven't taken action. do you expect we're going to see advertisers pull out this coming week. >> i think it's unlikely we'll see advertisers pull out. i think what's happening right now that we're not seeing are quiet behind the scenes conversations between advertisers and the nfl. it's impossible for advertisers to not be concerned with how the crisis has been unfolding and

how it's been handled or not handled. and the conversations are going to be about the curtain has come up, and the mechanics, the picture behind the scenes at the nfl, is not a pretty one and advertisers are certainly going to be involved in urging the nfl to be proactive and to take a leadership position in dealing with the organizational issues that have really been driving the mishandling of the responses to these situations. >> the criticism is all there, but in large part, it seems like the nfl has dodged a bullet from a business standpoint. i want to show you a woquote fr the "l.a. times." "there are a million rls the nfl needs to clean up its arrogant and callous act but there are 22.2 million reasons it will never happen. viewers who watched football at the end of the ugliest week in league history. it was as usual the most watched tv show of the week."

if fans keep watching and buy tickets, why would the nfl ever change anything? >> because the nfl is not going to change anything because the thing is that you know i know and everybody knows that america is addicted to football in general and to the nfl in particular, and i dare say also sponsors are addicted. and i can't stress this enough. okay? everybody keeps talking about the sponsor type deal. not one has dropped the nfl. they all talk about being concerned. let's take anheuser-busch, for instance. they are the big mama when it comes to sponsors for the nrkfl. they brag about being the official beer of the nfl. they're not going to let that go away. they're in the midst right now, anheuser-busch, six-year contract worth $1.2 billion. now, i point that out because they sign these long-term bills simply because they know, say if anheuser-busch loses its mind right now and pulls out and drops the nfl, if they try to get back in two years from now,

which they would try to do, the nfl would be even more popular and at $1.2 billion would be more like $5 billion. so there's all these things that are out there that nfl is looking at knowing that with a wink and a nod, e they're allowed to go about business as usual although they're giving lip service to this other stuff. >> all talk then and not enough action? >> there's no question about it. all you have to do is look at the non press conference yesterday with roger goodell and let me add this real quick, remember, roger goodell is hired by the owners. the ultimate fault here is not roger goodell contrary to popular belief. it's the owners allowing hem to do this because they don't have a problem with what he's saying. espn broke a story the other day pointing out that the baltimore ravens after the ray rice thing were begging roger goodell to go lightly on ray rice which is what we did because roger goodell works for the owner of the baltimore ravens along with the other 31 owners.

>> martha, you wrote a column recently on cnn.com that the nfl is the only multibillion dollar corporation where the ceo is personally in charge of discipline. so how are we taking away the disciplinary power of goodell really help anything? >> well, in most well-run $9 billion corporations, there's a separate process outside of the ceo's office that involves human resources and the legal department and a compliance department if it exists and they come together when there's an issue of employee discipline or employee criminal behavior. and there are standards already in place for how to evaluate what the discipline should be for any infraction on part of an employee. a group comes together outside of the ceo's office and addresses the issue, investigates it, recommends action and oversees the actual implementation of whatever the disciplinary action is. and the ceo isn't responsible for it. it really does remove the ceo from the discretionary kind of situation that goodell is in

where he's basically judge and juror over every single situation, and it also frees up a ceo to run the company, you know, to do what they're supposed to be doing which is setting the business, making sure the business is going forward, that it's well exercised and they're executing and doing what they're supposed to be doing with their business. it's a $9 billion company. it would be number 300 on the list of the "fortune 500" companies and it's a big company not being run like a first-class business. and i think that's the issue that people are responding to when you see men, you know, just going in the direction of really judging the nfl as not handling this well. what they're seeing is that the business is not being managed properly. >> terence, do these arrests of pro athletes reflect the same troubles that we see in the rest of society or is there some truth to the stereotype of the multimillionaire celebrity athlete who plays by different rules than the rest of us?

>> years ago, i talked to a hall of famer who told me that the reason why he was so messed up, which he was and still is to a certain extent, is because he said, "when i was 30, i was still 18." okay, that's what we're dealing with here. we're concentrating on the nfl. let's go back to the college level. it starts there. probably all the way back to the high school level. right here in atlanta, georgia, the university of georgia had seven guys arrested last year, one of which at least for domestic violence, so just project that to our future nfl player. >> so i guess the question now is, is it because of their positions of power, or are you saying that it has something to do with them just being young? >> it's inherent in the sport, particularly in football. you're talking about a violent sport. i was talking to an nfl scout about this. you can't just turn it off. okay? you want these guys to be -- everybody loves this violent type thing during the game, so they go home, okay, and it's

still in them in some kind of way. it's hard to say, i'm not going to go there. >> all right. terence moore, martha pease, thanks to both of you. coming up, meet a trusted al qaeda insider turned cia double agent.

for half a decade, he moved back and forth between two very

vastly different worlds. morten storm, a radical islamist who turned into a cia double agent and he's revealing deepest secrets in "agent storm: my life inside al qaeda and the cia." joining me once again, terrorism analyst, paul, one of st ways obviously of tacking these extremist groups is have somebody on the inside, double agents. >> he went deep into al qaeda's world, knew top terrorist leaders. he was their friend. they trusted him. afterwards when he was recruited by the cia, he was a hugely valuable spy inside al qaeda. >> how in the heck did he end up in his position? i understand he was a boxer, a biker, in and out of jail before he converted to radical slam. >> yeah he became radicalized, went to yemen, studied at a madrassa and introduced him to a fundamentalist form of the religion. he became further radicalized after that met some of the top

figures in al qaeda, including the shoe bomber, including the 20th hijacker mousawi. this is the world he was moving in. when he began working for western intelligence in 2007, he was a gold mine of information. a gold mine of contacts. >> apparently he had a big role in killing some 30 leaders in al qaeda? do you think it's going to be more difficult to, you know, basically recruit somebody inside isis versus al qaeda? >> it's going to be very, very difficult because if they capture you, they'll torture you and crucify you. that's what he was facing when he was behind enemy lines with al qaeda in yemen, with other terrorist groups. he was facing that danger every day. >> incredible story. i imagine at this point, he's still at risk being now exposed as this double agent. >> yeah. and isi ss fighters in syria la year put out a video threatening his life. he's in hiding.

his live fe is in extreme dange >> we're going to let you go so we can get to the documentary. you spent a lot of time on this project, in fact, we're about to show. thank you for joining us as well. our special report "double agent: inside al qaeda for the cia" begins right now. the following is a cnn special report. >> morten storm. for half a decade, he says he moves back and forth between two worlds and two identities. when one misplaced sentence could have cost him his life. >> you don't know what angle he's playing. >> traveling between atheism, hardline islam, english, and arabic. >> one minute he's 007. on the other side, he's now part of the militant circle. >> between being an agent for