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trucks and tanks. joseph night, the u.s. hit some of the organization's mobile refineries. what's more concerning, sources say, is the rest of that oil, which is now being smuggled out of syria, by more than 200 isis tanker trucks, driven along secret routes in turkey's southern corridor. what's not clear is just who is buying all of it. sources say isis crude oil appears to be sold by middlemen, intermediaries who sell the oil to legitimate refineries in the region. >> there are a number of tribes, local tribes, local families. eventually, basically they either trade it to neighboring territories. >> reporter: and that, sources say, means some of isis oil may be making it into the world market undetected.
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before the u.s.-led air strikes started this week, the iraq energy institute estimated isis produced about 30,000 barrels a day in iraq and 50,000 more each day in syria. at about $40 a barrel on the black market, that would fetch up to $3 million in profit each day. tonight, the u.s. government says it hopes it can take out isis ability and sell all that oil, crippling a key profit center for this terror corporation. the president of turkey made it clear today that his country is on a serious mission to fight isis saying they're closing the boarders, but administration officials say they're looking for turkey and other countries to clamp down on these black market routes and shadowy networks to keep from fueling the network. >> it is such big money and it's one of their huge advantages.
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elise, great report. thank you. let's talk more about this with the deputy assistant secretary of state for iraq and iran. and i want to talk to you about the oil money first, because i know that you have just spoken with the prime minister of iraq, i want to get some clarification for you. he told reporters that iraq's intelligence agency uncovered an imminent threat to u.s. subways. what did he say to you? >> i just spoke to the prime minister about a half hour ago. we finished a long meeting between him and vice president biden. he confirmed to me there is no specific credible threat whatsoever that they have uncovered to the united states. he was discussing in general terms the threat, particularly of foreign fighters and isis
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fighters, and there is routinely information uncovered, either from fighters captured or the affects on those killed, of the aspirations of these foreign fighters to attack outside of their boarders, including the west and including here in the united states. that is something we know very clearly. we work with iraqis very closely. we have a close partnership with them through appropriate channels to assess all appropriate information. and any information that they pass to us, we assess the veracity of. but he was very clear in the meeting with me and the vice president that the veracity of any such information has not been assessed. there is no credible threat to the united states. i just wanted to make that very clear. >> if the veracity has not been assessed, why did he say something? that seems really out of line. >> again, he was addressing a question about the overall threat from foreign fighters, that this is a global threat, a threat to the entire world.
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he's speaking here in new york as the entire world has come together, over 100 nations yeld signed on to a u.n. security council chapter 7 resolution to stop the flood of foreign fighters around the world, particularly into syria and iraq. so he's addressing that threat, which is a threat to the entire world, the united states and europe. it's very clear, and a spokesman for isis released a statement calling for attacks on americans and french citizens. that is the aspirational goal of these terrorist groups. that is why they have to be confronted and stopped. >> i want to talk to you about this oil money, which is giving isis a huge advantage. we understand that isis has about $1 billion in the bank. that's the expectation. destroying these oil refineries, does this really cut off the financial support to isis or is it just a drop in the bucket? >> well, this is part of a long-term strategy along five
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main lines of effort, as the president laid out. one is military support to our partners. one is countering the foreign fighters into these theaters. the third is counterfinance. we have to get t and choke off the financial streams of isil. isil is a terrorist group acting as a quausi state, and it needs financial resources. the targets hit last night are module oil refineries, which generate $1 million to $2 million a day. those strikes were quite effective. but this is only the start of a very long campaign to entirely choke off any of the financial resources to sustain this organization. >> what about the money that isis already has? when it went through mosul, the understanding is that it took about a third of a billion dollars from the bank there. how do you really take those
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pass s assets? >> there are mixed reports, but this is a very wealthy terrorist organization. the world has never quite seen anything like it. that is why the entire world, this week, in an extraordinary multilateral diplomacy, the entire world said we're going the stand together and stand against isis. but it's going to be a long haul. we have to stop the flow of foreign fighters into the theater. those are the lifeblood which give isil its most lethal effects. they're mostly the suicide bombers. and the finances of this organization is quite extraordinary. that is why we're going to go after it through all measures and be totally relentless. capitals across the gulf to make sure that the nations stop and make sure that there is
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self-generated oil finances are stopped. the u.n. security council here in new york passed a chapter seven resolution about three weeks ago, which calls for the entire world to stop and get at the financing of isil and other al qaeda-like groups. >> i want to talk about iran's role in all of this. we heard from the iranian president. he spoke there at the u.n. he has basically said there cannot be security cooperation on syria, on isis, unless sanctions are dropped, sanctions that pertain to iran's alleged nuclear program. so where does that leave the u.s. and iran and iran's role in all of this? >> well, we've been very clear, secretary kerry said there's a role for every country around the world. he said before the security council last friday with the iranian foreign minister there, or the iranian minister there, that there is an important role
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for iran to play. however, we are going to act in our interest and the interest of our partners. we will take action when it is in our interest -- >> is it a nonstarter, the coupling of sanctions on iran due to its alleged nuclear program and then having iran come back and taking a role and combatting ice else? is that a nonstarter to couple those? >> it's not worth mixing those, because a precondition to iran opening up to the world is they have to convince iran of the role of its program. and so that is an ongoing negotiation. it's a very difficult negotiation. that will go on over the coming days and weeks. again, for iran to rejoin the community of nations and be a constructive partner, they have to convince the global community of the peaceful nature of its
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global program. that is not just an issue the united states has with iran, it is an issue the world has with iran. if iran wants to get out of sangions, to have the address the nuclear program. the sanctions are related to that program. >> brett, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> just ahead, a dramatic apology for the shooting of michael brown by the ferguson, missouri police chief. he's talking about his future exclusively with cnn. plus, video of another controversial police shooting. this one had a very difficult outcome. d thought. when i didn't worry about the hepatitis c in my blood. when i didn't think twice about where i left my razor. hep c is a serious disease. take action now.
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a dramatic apology by the embattled police chief of ferguson, missouri for the shooting death of michael brown and the violent aftermath. but despite the controversy, chief thomas jackson tells cnn exclusively he will not resign. cnn's anna cabrera got the interview. what did he tell you? >> reporter: he said this has been the biggest test of his life, personally and professionally. he feels really bad about what's happened here in the past couple of months. it's been almost seven weeks since the shooting death of michael brown. he says he wants to apologize for a part that his police department has had in the racial tensions that are present still in this community. but given the fact there is still so much distrust between law enforcement and some of the residents in this community, i asked him might he consider resigning and letting new leadership take the helm. here's what he had to say.
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i have to ask you about yourself and you are still the leading of the ferguson police department, correct? >> yes, i am. >> have you heard of any plans, intentions to remove you from that position? >> no, i haven't. >> are you aware of at least some of the vocal protesters who would like to see you removed from your position? >> sure, i have. i've talked to a lot of those people and i've talked to a lot of people who initially called for that and have changed their mind after having meetings and discussions about moving forward. realistically, i'm going to stay here and see this through. this is mine and i'm taking ownership of it. >> reporter: so chief jackson, in a 2 1/2 plus minute apology video, which he apologized to the parents of michael brown and apologized for michael brown's
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body being left in the street, he apologized to the protesters who feel their rights were infringed upon in the police reaction to how they were protesting. he hopes that the first step in making things right in this community, we've had a chance to talk to some of the protesters and some of the community members here. his apology has been received with mixed reviews. one person said that was awesome. one protester said, you know, this is what he needed to say. it came a little later than we had hoped, but that is a good effort. other protesters we talked to and residents say it was too little too late. they questioned his sincerity and say action speak more than words and they want to see a little more action moving forward. >> anna cabrera, great interview. let's get more now with cnn's don lemon, john gaskin of the naacp and our law enforcement analyst tom fuentes.
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john, to you first. we talked so much over the past several weeks what happened in ferguson. what's your reaction to chief thomas jackson apologizing? >> well, i'll say this much, it is good that he's apologized. the family deserves that. the community deserves that. to be quite frank with you, the world deserves that. but we've got some concerns about that apology, as some of the people on the ground mentioned, actions speak louder than words. but you know, to prerecord this type of apology, something like that, to prerecord it, to have it done by really a pr group or pr firm, to have the pr firm's logo flashing in the video is almost though it's a production is concerning to us. it almost questions the sincerity of it to an extent. we, i hope that he has reached
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out personally to ms. mcfadden and michael brown's family, to go to them personally and apologize. and i hope he's apologized to many of those protesters in ferguson that have had their rights infringed upon that have had to deal with that type of brutality. i certainly hope he will apologize to many of the citizens of that community that have been victims to police brutality and the type of disenfranchisement they've seen in that community, i hope he apologizes to them as well in person. >> don, john bringing up a lot of good points there. do we know if the chief has reefed out to the family. also, when you look at this, does it strike you as a pr offensive or genuine, genuine apology? >> it's almost paula deen-esque in nature, but having met him
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and spending time with him, listen, quite honestly, the chief is an affable guy. he answered every question i answered and always open to an interview and said being interviewed, don, is like being beat up by your best friend. i did not see anything in that video that he had not alluded to before in interviews. if you look through the enter views, he's said similar things. this is a little more specific than he's done in other interviews and he's said all along, throughout every single interview, that he's not going anywhere, so i don't -- listen, it's gre
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highway patrol trooper shooting an unarmed man. watch this. >> can i see your license, please? he has a gun! get on the ground! >> i'm just getting my license. you said get my license. >> put your hands behind your back. hut yo put your hands behind your back. >> what did i do, sir? >> are you hit? >> i think so. i can't feel my leg. i don't know what happened. >> i need a 1052. >> why did you shoot me? >> well, you dove head first back into your car. >> i'm sorry. >> unbelievable. now, thankfully lavar jones survived. and the trooper was fired for the incident and is charged now with
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battery and he could get 20 years in prison. let's dig deeper with our panel. john, i want your reaction both to the incident looking at the bigger picture and also the result that this trooper has been charged and could face serious time. >> as you can see, they have moved quite swiftly in their action that will be taken against this trooper. i've seen the video and, wow, it's very powerful. but it just goes to show these types of street side executions that are happening almost biweekly here in america with altercations with law enforcement officers and this event luckily, it's a blessing that this young man was not killed. but as you can see, he had his hands up, he was simply trying
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to obey the order that the trooper had given him to get his driver's license. and he turns away and simple shots are fired. it is unbelievable. >> it is unbelievable. and inconsistent, quick answers here for the last two guys because we have to go, but this isn't consistent with training. so why did this happen? >> i don't know why it happened. he obviously reaacteoverreacted. >> and don, feel word for you. >> thank god for the jovideotap. we can't keep saying we don't know what happened. wake up, america. we need to change this. >> and certainly very interesting to see the reaction of the trooper. john, don, tom, thank you so much to all of you for this
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