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being an iron fist? >> very quickly, i don't have time to ask this but i should have explained this program, if it had been broadcast in mainland china you wouldn't have been able to see the images here. obviously, david is broadcasting it here. thank you for joining us, "ac360" starts now. good evening, thank you for joining us tonight. yet more breaking news tonight in the secret service scandal. isis grabs more territory. police say they could find more dna linked to the possible murder of hannah graham, and more as well. we begin first with the ebowl diagnoses here in the u.s. the public health services are on high alert. what do we know about this person infected with ebola in texas? >> well, all we know is they were in liberia, traveling to
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the united states in september. from the time the person got on the plane to the time the person got off the plane, they were not ill. but it was four days later on the 24th when this person first became ill. two days after that on the 26th they went to the hospital because they were sick, and at the time they were told to go home. the person was not tested. two days later then, now, then the 28th, eight days after riding back into the united states, back in the hospital by ambulance, got tested, was put into isolation and the test subsequently came back as positive. so as you mentioned, anderson, while we have had patients diagnosed with ebola, those patients were diagnosed in africa and then sent here. this person was the first person to be diagnosed in the united states. there were also four days in between, 24th when they got sick, the 28th when they went into isolation.
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the big question anderson is who did the person come in contact after he or she was sick before they were actually in isolation. >> we should talk about what kind of contact is at risk here, in terms of what people should be concerned about, it is not contagious. it doesn't travel but the air but it is very infectious. >> we think of things that are contagious like the flu virus traveling through the air, airborne things will be more easily caught. this doesn't behave like that, spread through the air like that. but what i mean by being infectious even a small amount of the virus can cause infection and be transmitted by any bodily fluid. when somebody is sick that is when they excrete the fluids in their blood, just a small amount, as you can imagine. even a small amount going into
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somebody who is not sick could become infected. that is what it means to be infectious. that is why these four days are of a concern. he got sick on the 24th, was not put into isolation until the 28th. how sick was he, how many people did he come in contact with? these are major questions, because in order to stop the public problem like in africa, you have to find all of those contacts, monitor them, put them in isolation or quarantine for 21 days and take their temperature every day. it is a lot of labor but needs to be done. >> say the person was sweating a lot and somebody touched their arm and touched their sweat, or the person who was infected sneezed on somebody, those are possible ways of transmitting? >> those are. they are possible ways to transmit. to be clear it is still unlikely for someone to get sick that way. because you still have to have
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some sort of break in your skin. the viral particles have to get in there. but as you and i talked about even if you don't have open cuts on your hands we all have breaks in our skin. so even if bodily through it got in those cuts from somebody with ebola, you would be at risk and somebody who would be monitored and quarantined and have your fever checked. they take it very seriously. this is the kind of thing that even a small amount could cause infection. i would say that dr. frieden, the head of the cdc, says they are confident they can stop it from spreading in the united states. but i just described the position for you. now they have to go back and find all the people he may have come in contact with and monitor them as well. if any of them get sick in the next 21s y days, you have to fi
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them all and monitor their sympto symptoms. morning breaking news, the news at the secret service, and on the day the person jumped the fence at the white house, word of another apparent security lapse, this time during president obama's recent visit to the cdc. justice correspondent pamela brown joins us with more. let's talk about the cdc a couple of weeks ago? >> a whistle-blower said that a security contractor talking next to president obama on an elevator at the cdc building in atlanta started to act strangely. it was later discovered he had a gun on them to the surprise of the secret service, this just after the director of the secret service apologized to the office after another breach from the office earlier this month. 42-year-old omar gonzales seen here bolting across the white
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house lawn was stopped by just one on-duty secret service officer on the white house lawn. and two others on the lower level of the building heard the commotion and assisted. one of the agents had been guarding the obama daughters just moments before, before they left with the president on marine one. >> i have asked for a full review. it is obvious, obvious that mistakes were made. >> for nearly four hours. the director of the secret service was grilled by congress on how omar gonzales, an iraq war veteran, was able to make it inside. >> don't let somebody get close, i wish to god you protected the white house like you're protecting your reputation today. >> i don't want anyone to imagine, imagine, that they can
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pierce the protective veil of the secret service. >> pearson admitted at least two secret service agents recognized gonzales from two previous incidents even before he jumped the fence. >> he observed him for sometime, was not acting inappropriately, didn't violate any laws. >> they did not report that and they did not approach him, correct? >> i think they noted that but they did not approach him. >> pearson admitted today that after jumping the fence, gonzales made it past five rings of security, dashing 70 yards of the iconic front lawn and into the building's front door. pearson said he overpowered the agent and made a left turn through the red carpeted hall before running into the east room and finally being arrested. committee members pressed the director on why the secret service did not disclose just how far gonzales made it into the white house. >> i know when mr. gonzales was placed into custody he was found
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to have a folded knife in his right front pants pocket. >> do you consider that a weapon? >> that was a weapon. >> why did the secret service put out a statement to the associated press? did you correct the associated press? did you call them back and say you got that wrong? >> i have no knowledge of that. >> through the contentious hearing, members of congress laid out a laundry list of secret service failures, including the lack to lock the front door and more force to stop gonzales, an argument that secret service officials dispute. >> we could be sitting here talking about an iraq veteran, possibly suffering from ptsd, was shot dead on the north lawn. >> what do white house officials have to say about this? i mean, has anything changed since the breach? >> there have been a few cases,
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the white house spokesperson said she took responsibility for the incident and has implemented new security measures. one of the main changes she talked about today was make mne automated locks for the front door, something that was missing before. >> i don't get it about the breach, how is the secret service responding? how does a guy with a gun get into the elevator with the president of the united states? >> yeah, that has a lot of people scratching their heads. a spokesperson said they are investigating and the initial report shows they were generally accurate. also, "the washington post" reports that the intruder had a criminal history. they are not commenting on it citing privacy issues. and next, how much force to use against the white house intruders. the report was, why didn't they just shoot the guy? that has many people wondering.
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the answers could surprise you as much as they surprised us. r randi kaye has more. >> reporter: if you wonder how an intruder could cross the white house lawn, and make it across before being taken down by the secret service. >> there is a myth out there that the secret service has special powers on the white house grounds, and it is just not true. they are gs-11 federal agents, like any federal agent their escalation of guidelines are strictly governed. >> so strictly governed they can't shoot a man invading the white house, unless it is clear he is attempting to hurt or kill someone. one former agent said agents have a number of lethal and non-lethal options to stop an intruder both long and short range. so what is the protocol, we
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wonder. under what circumstances does a secret service agent shoot especially if somebody is heading straight for the president's residence? >> lethal options are your last option. i don't think this was a shoot scenario. there were no weapons, from what i saw in the video there was no printing on the close or no vocalized threat. >> printing is a technique agents train years for. they quickly look for the outline of a weapon or suicide vest hidden underneath the suspect's clothes. no obvious threat? no shots fired. >> we can't shoot trespassers. we just can't. that is not the kind of country we live in. >> it may surprise you to learn that secret agents don't have anymore power to use lethal force than your average police officer. instead, the secret service often uses their dogs to stop an intruder. not in this case, though, out of concern the dog may not have
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known who to go after with so many people trailing the suspect. so when can they shoot? remember back in thursday, 2011, when a man used a semiautomatic riv rifle to shoot at his car. agents were concerned it was a shootout with gang members and didn't shoot the suspect, a decision now highly criticized. >> if they are firing and can articulate that the person may have been firing at the president or god forbid his family members, his wife, yeah, they can absolutely engage options there and lethal force would be perfectly appropriate in that case. >> following this latest white house trespassing case, the secret service first praised agents for showing restraint and discipline, leaving critics to call for an update to protocols that might deter future intruders on attacks, clearing the way perhaps for more lethal force. randi kaye, cnn, new york.
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it is easy to say that is frustrating. we'll find results, somewhere, somehow, we'll find results. >> reporter: jesse matthew is now behind bars and held in connection with to graham's disappearance. he may also be the answer to a question investigators have been asking since 2009. who killed 18-year-old morgan harrington. a law enforcement source tells cnn that dna evidence links matthew to the virginia tech student. it was october 2009 when morgan harrington traveled almost 150 miles to attend a metallica with friends at the university of virginia in charlottesville. while at the concert, harrington headed to the rest room but walked outside of the arena. she was not allowed to reenter the show. she told friends she would find a ride home. according to the fbi she was last seen hitchhiking, never heard from again. a massive search ensued as
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harrington's parents tearfully pled for her safe return. >> be strong. we are trying to find you. we will never stop. >> morgan is out there and here is us, please come home. >> morgan harrington would never come home. on january 26th, 2010, morgan harrington's skeleton was found on farmland outside of charlottesville along route 29th. police say she was raped and beaten so badly, her bones were splintered. our sorrow is etched into our faces, our pain is carved into our hearts. >> investigators also found foreign dna allegedly from harrington's murderer. two years later, that dna matches a rape case in fairfax city. the 26-year-old victim gave the
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authorities a composite sketch which investigators released in the harrington case. but is this jesse matthew? police in the graham case won't say, saying only that a search of matthew's car and apartment provided a link between the graham and harrington cases. >> i wouldn't speak to what other departments may or may not investigate as it relates to any other case. we're certainly poised to be cooperative and helpful in any way that we can with regard to cases in which other departments might have an interest. >> jean casarez joins us now, why are police more clear about the connection in the cases? >> reporter: you know, quite simply, dna analysis is difficult. i spoke today with the director of the virginia department of forensic science which is where they're doing all the testing. he would not comment on this case at all or any other. but he said the dna testing is so sophisticated because first of all they have to look at the
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quality they have. many time there is mixtures, they will have a speck of something or a large stain of something but what is the quality of it? and once they get that dna profile, they send it to law enforcement who can then say we want it retested, which is usually the case and it just doesn't happen in a day. >> all right, appreciate that. we'll hear from the harrington family. and first, ed smart, whose daughter was kidnapped and released nine months later. dr. koblinsky, let's start with you, the idea of a forensic link, which is the idea behind what they are linking to the two cases with hannah graham and the harrington case? >> good question, i think the investigation of hannah graham's disappearance had everything to do with it. the search of the home, i am
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sure they collected tooth paste, which gets dna -- >> law enforcement will sometimes get samples. they will pick up a glass that he drank out of or something of that sort. here you have hair samples, dna samples. you can then compare it to evidence collected off the body. now, from the body we don't know what they got. it is possible they have dna under the fingernails. it is possible there is semen possibly on clothing. certainly not on the body but on clothing. it is possible that there is hair evidence that they collected from the victim. so all of this comes together. dna is a science. we know what we're doing. we can look at mixtures and interpret them. i'm sure that we know exactly where we're heading scientifically. >> interesting. ed, i mean, you were very supportive of the harrington when -- harringtons when their daughter was missing in 2009. one of the things that dan said
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to me was the missing phase, the worst part. that is certainly, does that ring true for you? >> absolutely, you know, during the nine months that elizabeth was gone the not knowing was worse than anything else. there is a group i belong to called the surviving parents coalition. and many of them still have children that are missing. and that not knowing is so incredibly difficult. even if it turns out that they're deceased, it is better to find that out than to go through your life you know, feeling like a part of your life is missing and that question remains in your mind all the time of issues still out there. what can i do? what am i not doing to try to help bring her home. i think that is why it is so incredibly important for the grahams to have the public support, to help find her and bring this -- bring her home to them. >> and dr. koblinsky, the idea
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there is a link between morgan's case and a prior kidnapping and sexual assault that thankfully did not end in a murder. that victim survived. she is a survivor of that attack. is it -- does that automatically mean all three are linked? >> not necessarily, but it sounds like there is a clustering here. first of all, geographically, secondly, although not ethnically, the victims are about the same age, college students or high school. in other words, there are too many similarities here. looks like there is one person on the loose trapping these poor girls and there is an evolution of violence here starting off with kidnapping and rape. and now it is murder. >> and you have been working with a group called dna saves. they're trying to get legislation passed, to mandate the dna when somebody is taken and arrested in a felony, is that right? >> absolutely, jan savige, her
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daughter was taken and abducted, and her body was put in a bin. so this dna -- i hate to use the word "closure" but at least answers to what has happened to their children. and the harringtons are absolutely wonderful people. and they did everything that they could to help you know, bring their daughter home. and in this same case with the grahams, unfortunately, it seems like there is potential linkage here. but you know, goes back to the importance of trying to find her and -- but dna is this link. and we have about 28 states that have passed a form of legislation taking -- dna on felony arrests. and this really speaks to the
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issue of why we need to do it and why the other states need to come on board so that we can get answers in these criminal cases. >> ed, appreciate you being on. ed smart, dr. koblinsky, as well. when we come back, my conversation with morgan harrington's parents, and they hope that justice will finally come for their daughter. during the day, we generate as much electricity as we can using solar. at night and when it's cloudy, we use more natural gas. this ensures we can produce clean electricity whenever our customers need it. ♪ [door be♪l rings] [phone rings] hello. introducing wi-fi calling.
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should. even during that journey they found a space in their hearts for another family's missing daughter, hannah graham. they say that ever s many missing girls. tonight, they are one step closer on information on their daughter's murder and pos fi been exhausting it has forced u% matthew, you right away thought it could be the person responsible for your daughter's death. >> that is right, i received on facebook a picture of mr. matthews taken before probably five years ago. >> you know, both hannah's going missing and morgan's abduction happened around the same time of %ear, in the same town -- there matthew is responsible, would that bring any sort of comfort to finally know who is responsible for your daughter's death, or -- comfort is probably death, or -- comfort is probably the wrong word. hurting anybody else. i don't even really feel angry because my mind just -- i can't understand anybody killing our beautiful morgan, i can't understand it. >> i have had several people ask me why aren't you just furious about this. again, maybe we're just sort of in shock. anger is not a word that currently comes up. i think we are relieved. and i think we are concerned about what the future holds. you know, this is just the next chapter in a four or five year journey that has been pretty ugly. and as you mentioned, from the standpoint of the grahams, the missing phase is really the worst. >> dan, i understood there was something you actually wanted to say to jesse matthew. >> well, i would like to say that how could you take another person's life? how can you possibly, possibly
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be so awful to abduct someone and kill them? it is beyond me, that that is just beyond human understanding. >> yeah. >> jill, and you mentioned this a little bit i know in the wake of your daughter's death, you two both have worked tirelessly to stop what happened to her, from happening to anybody else. >> it is part of morgan's life, you see, we said this kind of tragedy and loss, it is an abyss for us. you know, we're medical people. the rope out of the abyss is through service and through trying to help other people and making a terrible situation less difficult for other people. you don't get over it. but i believe you do get past it. and you can accommodate. and part of our accommodation is
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through service. >> jill, what do you want people to know about morgan, about what she was like? >> morgan was great. i mean, morgan was beautiful inside and out. she was funny. very talented. for someone who was killed when she was 20 years old, it is really astounding to see the amount of skills, talents and potential that she had. and it is sad for us and for our families that she was in full flower, that that flowering was taken from us. but not only was it taken from us, she was going to do some kind of darn good amazing things in this world. and it is tragic that that will not happen. >> dan, and jill, thank you for your strength. and thank you for talking to us. and i wish you peace and strength in the days ahead.
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>> this is 2, 4, 1, the sign we would always say to morgan, the sign she was walking out of the door to go to the concert. 2, 4, 1, i love you once and forever, we're still trying for you, honey. >> thank you very much. >> incredibly strong parents. there is a lot of news to catch up on overseas. we'll get to that ahead. isis fighters taking control, and iraqi forces 50 miles from baghdad. and in iraq, a heavy day of u.s. airstrikes as well. question is will it make a difference? details ahead.
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and in syria. chief national correspondent jim sciutto has more. this latest iraqi basis to fall to isis, how significant is that? because the u.s. air forces are trying to reassure that the new iraqi prime minister will be up to the task to defeat isis. >> anderson, it is alarming, showing the complete collapse of structures, at least within the iraqi army, you have soldiers and commanders abandoning their post, saying this is the result of what the former prime minister in iraq did to the military, nouri maliki. he trained at great cost and risk, replaced them with commanders who were either shiites or cronies of ones he could rely on. and by the judgment of u.s. military advisers there, about half of the fighting brigades. but also the bigger question is what are these soldiers fighting for?
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do they have a country to fight for that they're willing to put their lives on the line for. it doesn't appear you see that with a great deal of the iraqi army units. >> and without any leadership, i mean, why would they fight? the u.s. government made clear that defeating isis would take a long time. again, when you have the iraqi bases falling, the peshmerga leaders saying they need more support, fighters along the border of syria and turkey, the collision for coalition forces, are they working? >> well, not yet, eight days into the campaign in iraq and syria really not a square mile of ground gained back from isis except some victories holding back their advances. so the military is saying if we pushed them today, this is just the beginning. we know we need a ground component to this. but anderson as you say, you highlighted there. the ground component, the one
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where you have it in iraq, have the iraqi military -- and even there, that ground component is not performing. it is just a reminder to us, to our viewers that this is going to be a long gain here and will be a real challenge to win this. >> and i mean, the end is not in sight. and certainly in question. jim sciutto, appreciate it. now that we go to hong kong where it is already wednesday, wednesday morning. you're looking at live pictures outside the government complex where the pro-democracy protesters have gathered all week. it is a public holiday there. many people have the day off for china's national day. looked like -- going to show you pictures of what it looked like overnight. the crowds are there, protesters waving their phones. they say they want the chinese government to meet their demands and reflect it in their leader. ivan watson has more, what are the crowds like there this morning?
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>> reporter: well, you know, we spoke at this time yesterday anderson, and there were far fewer people. in fact, more people and kids spent the night out here under torrential rains overnight. they -- the rain, the thunder, the lightning did not dampen their enthusiasm. and neither did statements coming from the hong kong government, which repeated the fact it believes the protests are illegal, stating that china will not compromise with these illegal demands. and that the protesters must disband immediately. and despite that and despite the inclement weather there are more people out here in part possibly because it is a national holiday today. a holiday that is supposed to celebrate the anniversary of the founding of the people's republic of china under communist party rule. but instead of those official celebrations, what you have here
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is an ongoing mass civil disobedience. >> and today, they say their demands, now, if the government in kmien doesn't bend what happens next? >> well, some of the opposition groups have threatened to expand their occupy movement to some government buildings. they have also expanded some of their demands. they demand that the top man here in hong kong, the chief executive, that he step down. he has been digging in his heels, again as i mentioned saying he is not going to compromise. and that these people need to leave immediately. so both camps digging in their heels as this sit-in continues now. a third night that people have
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been camped out here. so it is hard to see where there is a way out right now. >> all right, ivan, thank you very much. coming up, police say pipe bombs in pennsylvania are proof that they're looking for the right place in eric frein, who is wanted in the shooting death of a policeman. the latest on that search next. d health, so they can help you track a lot of stuff. like today, i walked 3.8 miles. well, i ran 4.2 miles. well, i climbed 11 flights of stairs. well, i drank a smoothie that had 362 calories in it. well, i had a funnel cake that had 1230 calories in it. ♪ you know that's not good, right? it was good. it was delicious.♪ ♪ who's going to do it? who's going to make it happen? discover a new energy source. turn ocean waves into power. design cars that capture their emissions. build bridges that fix themselves. get more clean water to everyone. who's going to take the leap?
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frein is wanted in the shoots death of a trooper earlier this month. since then, police believe she s hiding out in the woods, and have found two pipe bombs. authorities say the search is taking a toll on frein. >> i am calling on you, eric, to surrender. you are clearly stressed and making significant mistakes. we continue to take your supplies and weapons stock pleastockpiles, while you are getting weaker, we are not going anywhere. >> what about the spottings of frein recently? >> well, they spotted him about 300 yards from where the person
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was standing in the woods wearing dark clothing. these pipe bombs are pretty significant, improvised explosive devices. you can see this glued to the side acting like shrapnel. so the question is, shrapnel for who? is he setting traps out there in the woods? that is clearly a big concern. these devices can either be lit from the top or you can have a trigger mechanism, almost like a trip wire for these devices to death -- detonate. it appears that frein is on the run, slept very little. they keep finding these make-shift homes that he is resting in. he is running out of options. >> is it known if he discarded the bombs, how did he get them? >> that is what is so
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interesting about this. it appears these are device that is he himself made, that he made them in advance before going into the woods. authorities believed he went into the woods too quickly, that he had no sense people would be after him as quickly as they were. when they found them, though, they said this is simply an indication he is trying to evade the authorities looking for him. so rather than take them with him, he is having to slip away so they don't find him, anderson. >> all right, deborah feyerick, thank you very much. anderson, prosecutors will likely seek the death penalty in the oklahoma beheading case. alton nolen has been a recent convert to islam, saying arabic terms during the attack.
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54-year-old colleen hufford was beheaded, another wounded. and beverly carter was found in a grave this morning. aaron louis was already suspected of kidnapping. and michael phelps has been arrested for dwi, once again apologizing for his actions. no word on whether swimming or any of his sponsors will take action. >> and there are exclusive photos of george clooney and amal alamuddin. coming up, don't miss the special report, "downward spiral" the case of aaron hernandez. don't miss ridiculousnist coming
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the howling scream is open for business. it has one fearless reporter, anthony allred, who dared to attach on the screen cam. >> i got to tour hollow screen's newest haunted house. >> now this means the dead branches along the side of the road. here, it is kind of the same thing only with people. so basically it is a haunted house full of broken people. i am terrified, but not our intrepid reporter. >> i began to walk through the dark maze of terror. yes, that would be me. >> it looks like the blair witch project, instead of that lady with the snot running down her face, no matter what they throw at this guy he doesn't even flinch. >> want to hang?
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>> not really. but the molecules are -- i got things to do. i got stories to write. >> yeah, stories to write. the busch garden's hallow scream is here. >> i can't do that, i have stories to write, scripts to do, people to see. [ loud screaming ] >> the fact is, once you have been a writer, you are not scared by things like being buried alive. ellen degeneres sends one of her writers through the scream house. one of the executive producers went through, too. >> why are you making me go through -- >> i'm not, i'm protecting you! >>. [ loud screaming ]
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>> we're good. we're good. stop! >> all right, those two could use a lesson in putting the chill in thrills and chills. and we know just the guy to teach them. that does it for us, we'll see you at 11 p.m. for another edition of "ac360." the cnn report, downward spiral, case against aaron hernandez starts now. the following is a cnn special report. >> the n and its black eye. allegations of explosive behavior. >> aaron peterson, indicted on an explosive violence. >> prosecutors say he
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